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What's So Great About Gated Communities?
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At the annual meeting of the American Anthropological Association in Washington last week, incoming association president Setha Lowe painted a picture so dispiriting that the audience guffawed in schadenfreude. The gated community residents Lowe interviewed had fled from ethnically challenging cities, but they have not managed to escape from their fear. One resident reported that her small daughter has developed a severe case of xenophobia, no doubt communicated by her parents:
We were driving next to a truck with some day laborers and equipment in the back, and we stopped beside them at the light. She [her daughter] wanted to move because she was afraid those people were going to come and get her. They looked scary to her.
Leaving aside the sorry spectacle of homeowners living in fear of their landscapers, there is actually something to worry about. According to Lowe, gated communities are no less crime-prone than open ones, and Gopal Ahluwalia, senior vice president of research at the National Association of Home Builders, confirms this: There are studies indicating that there are no differences in the crime in gated communities and non-gated communities. The security guards often wave people on in, especially if they look like they're on a legitimate mission -- such as the faux moving truck that entered a Fort Meyers' gated community last spring and left with a houseful of furniture. Or the crime comes from within, as in the Hilton Head Plantation community in South Carolina where a rash of crime committed by resident teenagers has led to the imposition of a curfew.
Most recently, America's gated communities have been blighted by foreclosures. Yes, even people who were able to put together the down payment on a half-million dollar house can be ambushed by Adjustable Rate Mortgages. Newsweek reports that foreclosures are devastating the gated community of Black Mountain Vista in Henderson NV, where "yellow patches [now] blot the spartan lawns and phone books lie on front porches, their covers bleached from weeks under the desert sun." Similarly, according to the Orlando Sentinel, "countless homeowners overwhelmed by their mortgages are taking off and leaving behind algae-filled swimming pools and knee-high weeds" in one local gated community.
So, for people who sought, not just prosperity, but perfection, here's another sad end to the American dream, or at least their ethnically cleansed version thereof: boarded-up McMansions, plastic baggies scudding over overgrown lawns, and, in the Orlando case, a foreclosure-induced infestation of snakes. You can turn away the Mexicans, the African-Americans, the teenagers and other suspect groups, but there's no fence high enough to keep out the repo man.
All right, some gated communities are doing better than others, and not all of their residents are racists. The communities that allow owners to rent out their houses, or that offer homes at middle class prices of $250,000 or so, are more likely to contain a mixture of classes and races. The only gated community I have ever visited consisted of dull row houses protected by a slacker guard and a fence, and my host was a writer of liberal inclinations. But all these places suffer from the delusion that security lies behind physical barriers.
Before we turn all of America into a gated community, with a 700 mile steel fence running along the southern border, we should consider the mixed history of exclusionary walls. Ancient and medieval European towns huddled behind massive walls, only to face ever-more effective catapults, battering rams and other siege engines. More recently, the Berlin Wall, which the East German government described fondly as a protective "anti-fascism wall," fell to a rebellious citizenry. Israel, increasingly sealed behind its anti-Palestinian checkpoints and wall, faced an outbreak of neo-Nazi crime in September -- coming, strangely enough, from within.
But the market may have the last word on America's internal gated communities. "Hell is a gated community," announced the Sarasota Herald Tribune last June, reporting that market research by the big homebuilder Pulte Homes found that no one under 50 wants to live in them, so its latest local development would be un-gated. Security, or at least the promise of security, may be one consideration. But there's another old-fashioned American imperative at work here, which ought to bear on our national policies as well. As my Montana forebears would have put it: Don't fence me in!
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Posted by: kepstein7777 on Dec 5, 2007 1:50 AM
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As in the example, it's too bad for the kids, growing up in their parents' bubble and probably ending up just as uptight and paranoid, or worse.
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Posted by: Suzon on Dec 5, 2007 3:39 AM
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It doesn't have to be that way, folks! Look at the Netherlands, Denmark, Sweden and Norway. If they can provide for the common good, so can we.
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Posted by: war_on_tara on Dec 5, 2007 5:01 AM
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Wow, what research! Well I've never been to one even once, so guess I'll have to believe her.
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Posted by: ritadona69 on Dec 5, 2007 5:17 AM
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We moved here because we liked the area, we loved the house, and were only slightly disappointed (at the time) that it was in a gated community.
Now I think, "Gated community? More like "Upscale trailer park."
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Posted by: lamar on Dec 5, 2007 5:32 AM
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I'm glad there's empirical evidence to support this. I've said for years that a stupid gate can't keep the bad guys out....it can only delay emergency responders.
It's sad that people buy into (and pay for) the illusion of security. Whoever said "upscale trailer park" nailed it.
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Posted by: lynned2002 on Dec 5, 2007 6:48 AM
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I couldn't help but think what in the heck are these people trying to isolate themselves from? There's nothing out here except the cookie cutter people in the neighboring cookie cutter houses.
It was a very strange experience. People get so wrapped up in their money and possessions that they lose sight of life.
I was very glad to leave that jail.
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Posted by: InsertNameHere on Dec 5, 2007 7:19 AM
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Meanwhile, back in America, when the class lines are reaffirmed and middle class life thoroughly dismantled, there will be plenty more gated communities. Instead of an inept , underpaid security guard, it will be patrolled by Blackwater who, operating under the principle of protecting private property, will indiscriminately shoot anyone who looks like a threat. There will be little islands of affluence in the ragged sea of what used to be America. You'll be on the shitty side, don't worry, so will I. Take a look at New Orleans or Iraq's Shady Acres, or any big city. That's just practice.
It won't be all bad. If you repent now, you might have a chance at the big gated community in the sky. You better mind your P's and Q's though, the security guard up there doesn't put up with any tom foolery.
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Posted by: Libertine on Dec 5, 2007 8:27 AM
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You know the drill...they tell you what kind of mailbox you may have, how often you must mow your lawn, what kind of Christmas decorations you may have, and so on.
The hell with that. If I were to shell out the big bucks for a McMansion, I'll do as I please on the property I paid so dearly for.
Jail community, indeed.
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Posted by: rk_tech68fl on Dec 5, 2007 8:49 AM
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I won't deny there are elements of racism and xenophobia in these areas...I just think it's more about creating value where there isn't any.
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Posted by: James W. Harris on Dec 5, 2007 8:52 AM
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If gated communities work for some people, then the model will stick around and perhaps spread. If it doesn't satisfy, it will disappear and be replaced by something else.
Let a thousand flowers of lifestyles bloom!
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Posted by: glorybe on Dec 5, 2007 8:56 AM
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Here is the bad part. We have in essence used money to avoid problems. Yet the city has the same amount of troubles which are now focused on people who can not afford to live in such a complex.
And here is where it starts: Towns and cities pass restrictions on private fences surrounding homes. This is done under the excuse of emergency access for firemen etc.. As people are not allowed to really secure their own homes they flock to specially built communities where they really are protected. Another example is iron security bars. It is true that the price of homes drops when windows sport steel bars. It is also true that firemen have trouble getting into a well secured window. But we are almost 100% concrete construction in homes here due to hurricane codes. We do not tend to have the types of fires seen in northern homes made of wood or that require heating in the winter. Really the whole issue is over money. Realtors and businesses want high dollar homes that are not consistent with good security fences and secured windows.
One simple fact is that walled communities can be a real pain to the general public. In many cases people have to drive miles out of their way as there is no way to drive through gated communities.
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"One simple fact is that walled communities can be a real pain to the general public. In many cases people have to drive miles out of their way as there is no way to drive through gated communities."
So, if people in the gated communities are using public services such as police, firefighters, ambulance, garbage pickup, road repairs, etc., then the general public should be allowed to drive through these communities unfettered, since they are public roads.
If all these things are paid for and managed by the people who live in the gated community (and therefore no tax is paid for those services[?]), then there is a drain on public coffers to supply the same services for areas around the gated communities. The poorer areas become even poorer.
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Posted by: makeadifference on Dec 5, 2007 2:46 PM
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We are now happily back in the Raleigh area of NC where incredibly, there aren't any "bad" neighborhoods or gettos OR gated communities. Sorry, I know of one.
Does anyone remember Christmas' of years past when families could drive by the BIG houses and admire the holiday lights and decorations? Just a thought... with the BIG houses behind gates you can't do that.
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Posted by: aka_bozo on Dec 5, 2007 3:32 PM
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That's why they vote Republican too.
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Posted by: Lily H. on Dec 5, 2007 11:36 PM
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visiting niece from a small town to the West Coast
where Auntie lived in a trailer park. Supposedly
the niece (a youngster approx. 11-13 years)
sighted her first black person, a neighbor, and
was so frightened by just the sight of a black
person, she reacted by calling the police and
evidently making a false alarm call. Goes to show
what paranoia and ignorance can foster.
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Posted by: Smiggsy on Dec 5, 2007 11:51 PM
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Interestingly, they also draw a big fat target on the residents who live in isolation within them. Their occupants really stand out as prime candidates for theft & crime given their 'socio economic' status & isolationism of wealth from the rest of the community. They are like an armored car so to speak.
Unfortunately they are also proof that urban planning is not driven by functional design, good social science & sound public policy - rather they only reflect poor social diversity, property developer whims & economic greed.
I label them future slums & its not referring to poverty but rather disfunctionality.
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Posted by: penobscotdziekuje@yahoo.com on Dec 6, 2007 11:44 AM
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Is it due to foreclosures, the market mood swings, xenophobia or some other variable? Have gated communities turned our cities into gated ghettoes? Is it the fear of living behind a fence where a code is needed to enter? And I can imagine people have a hard time entering in or to make deliveries. It's another inconvenience.
Even behind such security, crimes still occur. In Los Angeles, especially in the San Fernando Valley, I knew families who had their cars broken into or stolen from secured parking structures.
Our condo was broken into and several family heirlooms were taken. My room was trashed; everything I owned lied scattered on the floor.
The thieves used a ladder to climb over the 20-foot high steel fence and broke a window to get in. We admitted it was no small feat. And the burglary occured in broad daylight and no one saw anything, not even the manager. We moved out two months later.
This type of dwelling is found all over southern California, from Santa Barbara to the Mexican border, especially in Orange County. Just drive down the Pacific Coast Highway and the housing structure is ubiquitous.
They have serene-sounding names usually called "Gardens", "Villas", "Estates", "Glen"s, the "-wood" suffix, etc. But what they don't have is a real sense of community; often detached behind a fence or wall. It may have a pool and laundrymat, recreation center, but after awhile the residents will tire of going to it. And don't forget the mountains of garbage piling up by the bins. I see it in many gated areas.
Once again, is there a need for gated communities? Probably. The more famous ones already exist. They're called prisons.
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Posted by: CommonDreamer on Dec 6, 2007 8:00 PM
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We are already divided. Fear mongering (whether it's "terror" or "immigration") has worked its magic, so that Americans don't notice the rip offs of their wages by the corporate ingrates and so on. The biggest rip off is not by immigrants (who really want to work hard for a better life) but by CEOs walking off jobs with $140 million. Why aren't we madder about that? This rip off is by OUR OWN COUNTRYMEN and a government that gave them all the power. We should first fear a government that does this to its people. Then we should install a new government and at that point maybe we will be able to deal sanely with "immigration" and "terror".
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Posted by: CommonDreamer on Dec 7, 2007 9:24 PM
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Rabid unchecked capitalism is stressful and its only goal seems to be the gross accumulation of money at the expense of all else. The gated communities are simply trying to avoid seeing and living amidst the results of the plundering of America by the plutocrats.
In addition to having some real compassion and concern for all society and a living wage, we really need to address the sickness that says "more is better"...."bigger is better" and so on. We need not to heap praise or attention upon those who plunder the environment with needless McMansion monuments to themselves and who rip off corporations by enriching themselves at the expense of working families. We need to stop worshiping the accumulation of money and install some real heroes in our lives - our families, our own lives, and our experiences should be our barometers of success. Stop worshiping the star system and get real. Fight for longer vacation times and flextime, healthcare and childcare - things that have real meaning and are good for society. The disillusionment the gated community people are experiencing is the natural result of a preoccupation with the corporate idea of success; it is not harmonized with others nor it is healthy or moral.
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Posted by: chlamor on Dec 8, 2007 3:38 PM
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In short these are folks who require vast numbers of energy slaves to prop up their way of life and then have the audacity to hide behind a gate and have private thugs for hire to protect their stolen goods. It is theft when what you've got came at the expense of others.
This is just the architecture of post-modern feudalism.
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this is stupid article. gated communites and ghettos aren't going away anytime soon.
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Posted by: kepstein7777 on Dec 5, 2007 1:50 AM
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As in the example, it's too bad for the kids, growing up in their parents' bubble and probably ending up just as uptight and paranoid, or worse.
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It doesn't have to be that way, folks! Look at the Netherlands, Denmark, Sweden and Norway. If they can provide for the common good, so can we.
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Wow, what research! Well I've never been to one even once, so guess I'll have to believe her.
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We moved here because we liked the area, we loved the house, and were only slightly disappointed (at the time) that it was in a gated community.
Now I think, "Gated community? More like "Upscale trailer park."
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Posted by: lamar on Dec 5, 2007 5:32 AM
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I'm glad there's empirical evidence to support this. I've said for years that a stupid gate can't keep the bad guys out....it can only delay emergency responders.
It's sad that people buy into (and pay for) the illusion of security. Whoever said "upscale trailer park" nailed it.
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Posted by: lynned2002 on Dec 5, 2007 6:48 AM
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I couldn't help but think what in the heck are these people trying to isolate themselves from? There's nothing out here except the cookie cutter people in the neighboring cookie cutter houses.
It was a very strange experience. People get so wrapped up in their money and possessions that they lose sight of life.
I was very glad to leave that jail.
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Meanwhile, back in America, when the class lines are reaffirmed and middle class life thoroughly dismantled, there will be plenty more gated communities. Instead of an inept , underpaid security guard, it will be patrolled by Blackwater who, operating under the principle of protecting private property, will indiscriminately shoot anyone who looks like a threat. There will be little islands of affluence in the ragged sea of what used to be America. You'll be on the shitty side, don't worry, so will I. Take a look at New Orleans or Iraq's Shady Acres, or any big city. That's just practice.
It won't be all bad. If you repent now, you might have a chance at the big gated community in the sky. You better mind your P's and Q's though, the security guard up there doesn't put up with any tom foolery.
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Posted by: Libertine on Dec 5, 2007 8:27 AM
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You know the drill...they tell you what kind of mailbox you may have, how often you must mow your lawn, what kind of Christmas decorations you may have, and so on.
The hell with that. If I were to shell out the big bucks for a McMansion, I'll do as I please on the property I paid so dearly for.
Jail community, indeed.
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Posted by: rk_tech68fl on Dec 5, 2007 8:49 AM
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I won't deny there are elements of racism and xenophobia in these areas...I just think it's more about creating value where there isn't any.
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Posted by: James W. Harris on Dec 5, 2007 8:52 AM
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If gated communities work for some people, then the model will stick around and perhaps spread. If it doesn't satisfy, it will disappear and be replaced by something else.
Let a thousand flowers of lifestyles bloom!
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Posted by: glorybe on Dec 5, 2007 8:56 AM
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Here is the bad part. We have in essence used money to avoid problems. Yet the city has the same amount of troubles which are now focused on people who can not afford to live in such a complex.
And here is where it starts: Towns and cities pass restrictions on private fences surrounding homes. This is done under the excuse of emergency access for firemen etc.. As people are not allowed to really secure their own homes they flock to specially built communities where they really are protected. Another example is iron security bars. It is true that the price of homes drops when windows sport steel bars. It is also true that firemen have trouble getting into a well secured window. But we are almost 100% concrete construction in homes here due to hurricane codes. We do not tend to have the types of fires seen in northern homes made of wood or that require heating in the winter. Really the whole issue is over money. Realtors and businesses want high dollar homes that are not consistent with good security fences and secured windows.
One simple fact is that walled communities can be a real pain to the general public. In many cases people have to drive miles out of their way as there is no way to drive through gated communities.
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Posted by: beeofdoom on Dec 5, 2007 9:17 AM
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Posted by: SayBlade on Dec 5, 2007 9:21 AM
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"One simple fact is that walled communities can be a real pain to the general public. In many cases people have to drive miles out of their way as there is no way to drive through gated communities."
So, if people in the gated communities are using public services such as police, firefighters, ambulance, garbage pickup, road repairs, etc., then the general public should be allowed to drive through these communities unfettered, since they are public roads.
If all these things are paid for and managed by the people who live in the gated community (and therefore no tax is paid for those services[?]), then there is a drain on public coffers to supply the same services for areas around the gated communities. The poorer areas become even poorer.
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Posted by: Janet4784 on Dec 5, 2007 10:00 AM
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Posted by: willymack on Dec 5, 2007 11:54 AM
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Posted by: makeadifference on Dec 5, 2007 2:46 PM
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We are now happily back in the Raleigh area of NC where incredibly, there aren't any "bad" neighborhoods or gettos OR gated communities. Sorry, I know of one.
Does anyone remember Christmas' of years past when families could drive by the BIG houses and admire the holiday lights and decorations? Just a thought... with the BIG houses behind gates you can't do that.
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Posted by: aka_bozo on Dec 5, 2007 3:32 PM
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That's why they vote Republican too.
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Posted by: improperly_sedated on Dec 5, 2007 4:16 PM
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Posted by: sofla100 on Dec 5, 2007 5:41 PM
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Posted by: Lily H. on Dec 5, 2007 11:36 PM
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visiting niece from a small town to the West Coast
where Auntie lived in a trailer park. Supposedly
the niece (a youngster approx. 11-13 years)
sighted her first black person, a neighbor, and
was so frightened by just the sight of a black
person, she reacted by calling the police and
evidently making a false alarm call. Goes to show
what paranoia and ignorance can foster.
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Posted by: Smiggsy on Dec 5, 2007 11:51 PM
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Interestingly, they also draw a big fat target on the residents who live in isolation within them. Their occupants really stand out as prime candidates for theft & crime given their 'socio economic' status & isolationism of wealth from the rest of the community. They are like an armored car so to speak.
Unfortunately they are also proof that urban planning is not driven by functional design, good social science & sound public policy - rather they only reflect poor social diversity, property developer whims & economic greed.
I label them future slums & its not referring to poverty but rather disfunctionality.
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Posted by: penobscotdziekuje@yahoo.com on Dec 6, 2007 11:44 AM
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Is it due to foreclosures, the market mood swings, xenophobia or some other variable? Have gated communities turned our cities into gated ghettoes? Is it the fear of living behind a fence where a code is needed to enter? And I can imagine people have a hard time entering in or to make deliveries. It's another inconvenience.
Even behind such security, crimes still occur. In Los Angeles, especially in the San Fernando Valley, I knew families who had their cars broken into or stolen from secured parking structures.
Our condo was broken into and several family heirlooms were taken. My room was trashed; everything I owned lied scattered on the floor.
The thieves used a ladder to climb over the 20-foot high steel fence and broke a window to get in. We admitted it was no small feat. And the burglary occured in broad daylight and no one saw anything, not even the manager. We moved out two months later.
This type of dwelling is found all over southern California, from Santa Barbara to the Mexican border, especially in Orange County. Just drive down the Pacific Coast Highway and the housing structure is ubiquitous.
They have serene-sounding names usually called "Gardens", "Villas", "Estates", "Glen"s, the "-wood" suffix, etc. But what they don't have is a real sense of community; often detached behind a fence or wall. It may have a pool and laundrymat, recreation center, but after awhile the residents will tire of going to it. And don't forget the mountains of garbage piling up by the bins. I see it in many gated areas.
Once again, is there a need for gated communities? Probably. The more famous ones already exist. They're called prisons.
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Posted by: CommonDreamer on Dec 6, 2007 8:00 PM
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We are already divided. Fear mongering (whether it's "terror" or "immigration") has worked its magic, so that Americans don't notice the rip offs of their wages by the corporate ingrates and so on. The biggest rip off is not by immigrants (who really want to work hard for a better life) but by CEOs walking off jobs with $140 million. Why aren't we madder about that? This rip off is by OUR OWN COUNTRYMEN and a government that gave them all the power. We should first fear a government that does this to its people. Then we should install a new government and at that point maybe we will be able to deal sanely with "immigration" and "terror".
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Posted by: CommonDreamer on Dec 7, 2007 9:24 PM
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Rabid unchecked capitalism is stressful and its only goal seems to be the gross accumulation of money at the expense of all else. The gated communities are simply trying to avoid seeing and living amidst the results of the plundering of America by the plutocrats.
In addition to having some real compassion and concern for all society and a living wage, we really need to address the sickness that says "more is better"...."bigger is better" and so on. We need not to heap praise or attention upon those who plunder the environment with needless McMansion monuments to themselves and who rip off corporations by enriching themselves at the expense of working families. We need to stop worshiping the accumulation of money and install some real heroes in our lives - our families, our own lives, and our experiences should be our barometers of success. Stop worshiping the star system and get real. Fight for longer vacation times and flextime, healthcare and childcare - things that have real meaning and are good for society. The disillusionment the gated community people are experiencing is the natural result of a preoccupation with the corporate idea of success; it is not harmonized with others nor it is healthy or moral.
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Posted by: chlamor on Dec 8, 2007 3:38 PM
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In short these are folks who require vast numbers of energy slaves to prop up their way of life and then have the audacity to hide behind a gate and have private thugs for hire to protect their stolen goods. It is theft when what you've got came at the expense of others.
This is just the architecture of post-modern feudalism.
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Posted by: veggiegrrrl on Dec 8, 2007 4:22 PM
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this is stupid article. gated communites and ghettos aren't going away anytime soon.
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Posted by: DaBear on Dec 10, 2007 3:46 PM
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