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Tom Tancredo Hired Illegal Laborers to Renovate His McMansion
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“We have friends over and I have now shown Pearl Harbor about six times,†Tancredo boasted to the Rocky Mountain News about his 102-inch television. “But I mainly just show the attack scene because the sound is so good.â€
When Tancredo hired a construction crew to transform his drab basement into a high-tech pleasure den in October 2001, however, he did not express concern that only two of its members spoke English. Nor did he bother to check the workers’ documentation to see if they were legal residents of the United States. Had Tancredo done so, he would have learned that most of the crew consisted of undocumented immigrants, or “criminal aliens†as he likes to call them. Instead, Tancredo paid the crew $60,000 for its labor and waited innocently for the completion of his elaborate entertainment complex.
During the renovation process, two illegal workers hired by Tancredo were alerted to his reputation for immigrant bashing. They went straight to the Denver Post to complain. Tancredo “doesn't want us here, but he'll take advantage of our sweat and our labor,†one of the workers complained to the Post on September 19, 2002. “It's just not right.â€
The Post report momentarily threw Tancredo on the defensive. In a fiery speech soon after the story’s publication, Tancredo blamed his foibles on the INS. “I haven't the foggiest idea how many people I may have hired in the past as taxi drivers, as waiters, waitresses, home improvement people,†he boomed from the House floor. “I haven't the foggiest idea how many of those people may have been here illegally, and it is not my job to ask them.†Then defiance gave way to vitriol as the congressman dubbed undocumented immigrants, “the face of murder.â€
Only days before the Post’s story appeared, Tancredo had personally reported an honor student profiled in the Denver Post to the INS because the 14-year-old was not a legal resident of the United States. The stunt forced the boy’s family to go into hiding. Fortunately for Tancredo, the ensuing revelations of his hiring of illegal labor fell below the radar of the national media, allowing his anti-immigrant crusade to proceed unabated.
Tancredo proceeded to organize over 90 anti-immigration House members into an informal but powerful caucus that has effectively prevented any non-enforcement related immigration legislation from reaching the President’s desk. His Team America PAC, which is chaired by right-wing pundit Bay Buchanan, has donated tens of thousands of dollars this election cycle to nativist candidates who hope to fill Tancredo’s caucus with new blood when he retires next year. Down on the border, Tancredo announced his support for the Minutemen, providing the anti-immigrant militia with a veneer of respectability while its pistol-packing members hunt for brown-skinned evildoers.
Tancredo has also played an instrumental role in shaping the way immigration is discussed in the media. Despite his third tier status in the presidential campaign, as of November 19 the congressman has appeared on Fox News more times during 2007 than any other presidential candidate. A former Tancredo staffer speaking on condition of anonymity told me recently that the congressman spends extensive time on the phone with top-rated CNN anchor Lou Dobbs, offering him tips and ideas for his daily “Broken Borders†segments.
Dobbs, in turn, has produced an unending string of specious “reports†painting undocumented immigrants from Latin America as disease-ridden criminals. In May, for example, Dobbs falsely claimed that illegal migrants from Mexico were responsible for 7000 new cases of leprosy in the United States. A wave of negative publicity forced Dobbs to acknowledge his source for the bogus story as Madeleine Cosman, a deceased white supremacist activist who often appeared at anti-immigrant rallies beside her pal Tancredo.
The success of Tancredo’s efforts to project his nativist politics onto the national stage were apparent during CNN’s November 26 Republican Youtube debate. In a heated exchange that highlighted press coverage of the debate, presidential frontrunners Rudy Giuliani and Mitt Romney competed with one another over who could appear the most draconian towards “illegals.†When Romney accused Giuliani of running a “sanctuary city†for undocumented immigrants while serving as mayor of New York, Giuliani shot back that Romney had run a “sanctuary mansion†when he was governor of Massachusetts. Giuliani pointed to a lengthy Boston Globe report revealing that Romney paid a gardening service that employed illegal workers to tend the lawns of his mansion. Suddenly, the candidates with the most tolerant records on immigration issues sounded like Tancredo.
While the two rivals clashed, Tancredo stood at the far end of the stage smiling contentedly. The cause he championed for years with a band of ornery border vigilantes, white supremacists, and assorted dregs by his side had become a central theme in the race for the White House. Of all the major GOP candidates, only Sen. John McCain has countered Tancredo with big tent appeals to socially conservative Latinos. The other candidates have reliably parroted his talking points, parrying accusations of ideological impurity by accusing one another of being soft on illegal immigration. “All I've heard is people trying to out-Tancredo Tancredo,†Tancredo observed during the debate. “It is great.â€
But there is one way the Republican candidates can never out-Tancredo Tancredo. The congressman lives in a “sanctuary mansion†built by the kind of people he has made a career out of demonizing. Tom Tancredo may have no hope of winning the Republican nomination, but in the cause of hypocrisy, he is the frontrunner.
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Posted by: wmb1957 on Dec 1, 2007 12:29 AM
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I've had work done on my house. Am I legally liable if the workers aren't legal? I just assumed they were, but how can one know? I mean its not right to just go around and assume they are here illegally, so what can one do?
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» Tom Tancredo is an American hero
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Posted by: talkville on Dec 1, 2007 12:59 AM
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Then he caught a whiff of the Political Winds blowing hard, real hard, to Rightwards and went sailing towards that Land!
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Posted by: niliadis on Dec 1, 2007 1:25 AM
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Ilegal Imigrants are hired by the company one employs, I am sure we would be sued if we called up the roofing company and say you can do the work however I do not want illegals. Its the government that should be sanctionig the employers for hiering he illegals not the customer of the buisness.
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» Sissy, I love "TEXAS TURD". That's the best I"ve ever heard.
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» Yeah, right, Abraham Lincoln ...
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» I would like more details on his self-admitted "mental illness" that exempted
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» RE: Immigrants
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» "native" Americans were not native either. Humans originated
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Posted by: Urstrly on Dec 1, 2007 4:45 AM
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Of course the odds against him being president are slim, but he's already in the House and on Lou Dobbs, polluting the atmosphere with hate, and hate motivates people to vote, if not for him then for the "next best thing."
The distraction of fear, whether of illegal Latinos or Muslims, has kept us from dealing with this major issue in our society. I worry about the xenophobic frenzy that has been fostered by Tancredo and Dobbs and Bay Buchanan and her unlovely brother Pat, because it creates an atmosphere where people regard immigrants as less than human.
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» Most Repugwicans fit the bill of being mentally ill
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Posted by: sausage on Dec 1, 2007 6:27 AM
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Actually it's three-card monte played on the electorate by both politicial parties, as the official economic orthodoxy of both is free market fundamentalism. Since both parties, Democratic and Republican, agree on the myth of a "free market" economy only so-called "cultural issues" distinguish one from the other. The GOP has been particularly successful in exploiting the brutish, nasty, petty side of human nature for the past forty years.
So like abortion, "gay marriage" and "gun control," "illegal immigration" is another "issue" which Republican politicians will bluster and bellow about; threaten to build a fence along the US-Mexico border that will make the Great Wall of China look like a decorative garden borderfence,with illegal immigrant laborers no doubt; and ultimately do nothing because there isn't the funding for it and "they" don't want to raise taxes.
Meanwhile the Democrats will prance around like fairies, wring their hands, saying something must be done, and end up doing nothing to solve the systemic causes for "illegal immigration," on both sides of the border, due to the "free market" economy.
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Posted by: JOHN L. on Dec 1, 2007 8:18 AM
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Beyond that, Tancredo was quite correct in claiming mental illness to avoid the draft/military service.
He OBVIOUSLY IS a nuttier than a fruitcake.
'Nuff Said.
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Posted by: robchapman on Dec 1, 2007 8:36 AM
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But that does not lessen tremendous resonance of the immigration issue in the population.
If one accepts that there are around ten million people working here in undocumented status, our 4.8 per cent unemployment rate goes down and one can conclude that we have a full employment economy. Hence, the economy needs the bodies.
The voters are faced with the paradox of an economy that needs the labor and a legal system that is incapable of providing workers with the documentation needed to work here.
The seasonal, temporary and mobile nature of this work force is well-documented. Reform proposals to put them on the "road to citizenship," are misguided as many of the workers are still connected to their home communities in their countries of origin.
The US should be working with the Latin governments to provide bonding, information on the permanent domiciles and backgound checks on potential workers.
The US should also make a committment to the people who we employ to provide them the protection of our laws and the benefits of our society.
We cannot do without the labor that undocumented workers provide. It is past due time to get them out of the shadows and endow them with legal status.
This will help protect us from unfair competition, people welshing on debts and criminals.
In return we must do take responsibility to afford the protection of our laws and other benefits of our society.
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» So what's wrong with hiring BLACK people?
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Posted by: K_for_Kansas on Dec 1, 2007 10:17 AM
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Our immigration laws need reform, certainly, but the heat and lack of light around this issue don't really have much to do with that. As the elections approach, the language will get even more hateful and flamboyant, so hold onto your hats. Will the American people buy it and let themselves once more be distracted from the real issues that threaten our future? Time will tell, but history isn't necessarily encouraging.
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Posted by: Halley Luyah Korus on Dec 1, 2007 12:39 PM
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I'm a licensed general contractor. Our company hires only legal workers, meaning they have to have a valid social sec # or green card. However, many of our subcontractors and competitors hire anyone they can get at the cheapest rate possible. Is this a result of free entrerprise?? I don't know what free enterprise means, but I think it's a poor excuse for allowing just any old soul cross into our country and take jobs away from tax-paying citizens. For me that's the crux of the matter.
The hispanic workers I know and work with are mostly hard workers, honest and decent folks. I have no problem with them working here as long as they get signed up with the INS, get their legal working papers and get on the tax rolls like the rest of us working-class folks. I keep reading these articles that spout all these billions of $$$ that illegal immigrants are contributing to our economy. Well what about the billions of $$$ that the rest of us LEGALS are contributing--while at the same time we're paying taxes to support the government and the social services that many of the illegal immigrants use as if they have every right to use them.
The other aspect of this that ticks me off is the way these illegal workers drive down wages and job opportunities for Americans. Yes, we are close to full employment, but tell that to those carpenters who are now having to work for a lot less $ or lose business to the buttholes who hire the illegals at half the going wage rate. Maybe eight hispanic guys can live together in a two-bedroom apartment and send money home to mama and the kids while making $12 an hour, but please don't ask American workers to try to do that.
What many of us progressives, liberals, whatever seem to forget is that MANY MANY AMERICANS GAVE THEIR LIVES TO GIVE THE REST OF US A CHANCE TO HAVE A 40-HOUR WORK WEEK, DECENT WAGES AND SAFE WORKING CONDITIONS. Illegal immigrant workers are undermining that progress.
I for one, am for some form of amnesty for those immigrants who have been here for X number of years and who have been employed and have no criminal record. Anyone else can go back south and get in line to do it the right way. Now, if we could only get our "leaders" to put a plan like that into action.
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» Solution: Jail the Contractors Who Use Illegal Aliens
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» Genius......ID's are PHONEY
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» Genius......Nobody is Checking Any ID's Now and Jail the Subcontractors
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» He sure as hell beats Tancredo any day.
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Posted by: sofla100 on Dec 1, 2007 5:31 PM
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If the contractor is super cheap, if he cannot give you good references you can check and if he has complaints with the state licensing or better business bureau, watch out.
In other words, you don't have to ask. Look, the supercheapo contractor is supercheapo for a reason, don't you think? Not real hard really to find out who is using the illegal aliens, I would say.
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Posted by: MargoM on Dec 1, 2007 5:53 PM
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I always make sure who I hire is licensed and bonded. Can they get licenses and be bonded and have illegals working for them?
I would prefer not to hire illegals, but I never thought about asking about that.
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Posted by: spot759 on Dec 2, 2007 7:40 AM
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The hispanic vote only made up 6% of the 2004 election. The Democrats are throwing away the support of 2/3 to 3/4 of the remaining 96% of the electorate.
The dorks who are "liberally" throwing around the terms "racism" and "racist" are going find themselves increasingly isolated.
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» Oh, it's 20 million now, huh?
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» 15-20 million
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» yeah, and 18 months ago, the MSM's number was 12 million
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» Jon Stewart made a joke about it - 11 million? 12 million?
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Posted by: YogiBear on Dec 2, 2007 11:39 AM
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Why was this smear even necessary to the piece? It intentionally implies racism and lawlessness by the Minutemen, of whom, to the best of my knowledge, have never had a single incident of violence along the border or elsewhere.
It's obvious Tancredo likes to demonize his opposition. I just don't understand why so many so called progressives always feel the need to do the same.
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Posted by: dezertlady71 dezertlady71 on Dec 2, 2007 12:34 PM
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It is illegal for anyone to go out and ask workers individually if they are legal residents as well as provide proof.
I believe Mr. Tancredo's mistake was not making it clear to the CONTRACTOR that he didn't want illegals working on his home.
I'm sure he's learned a lesson by now.
And since illegals are doing the job that no American wants, (because it's low-paying), illegals are expected to show up on these jobs unless someone is a moron or has been hiding in a hole for the last twenty years.
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» break out of NAFTA and jail the employers
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» "illegal" is a dehumanizing term: "them there ILLEGAL unAmerikan brown people... "
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Posted by: SOWILO on Dec 3, 2007 4:03 PM
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It is best if you want to come to the U.S. or the West in gerneral to appy through the proper channels. We should be only allowing highly-skilled immigrants, UNLESS they can prove refugee status BEYOND THE SHADOW OF A DOUBT. We are the most liberal when it comes to immigration and I find it hysterical to read posts from people with their horse-blinders on in regards to this issue, thinking we can just have "open borders."
My advice to those "open border" advocates would be to research the disaster called NAFTA, and then spend some time with the migrants themselves and learn more about their lives, their habits etc. GO TO THEM DIRECTLY and see for yourself. Then make a decision about how you feel about this issue. I live in LA and I have seen the hardships that these families have, how they will never assimilate and how they have actually spread racism and strife throughout the city. I consider myself a progressive and very very liberal, but it seems a lot of people who don't have immediate contact with the most extreme circumstances involving illegal immigration seem to be the ones on their high-horse making judgements on those of us who are concerned about our social fabric itself. With this war going on, the dumbing down of the public, and everything else, the last thing we need are these CHRISTIANS pouring in.
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Posted by: gellero on Dec 3, 2007 8:49 PM
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Do these 'undocumented' (god forbid I should say 'illegal') immigrants really do the 'work Americans won't do' as the Pres. and the Progressives (strange bedfellows!!) claim?? Sure they do....at a lower wage. The laws of economics dictates that if these 'undocumented' aka illegal alien workers weren't here, the working man's wage would rise. The posters here probably weren't listening in the college economics classes their Daddys' paid for.
A client of mine who is an Arizona developer stated it like this......he has to bid on a project, and those with the cheapest labor win. Mexican-American subcontractors (totally legal) work for him....and use cheap imported ( aka illegal) labor....he is isolated from the legal stuff totally. There is no work for native born and nationalized citizens at that wage. The local working man looses.
What is happening now is not like any previous mass migration.....this is an alien culture that is marginally assimilated. Go to the supermarket and look at a box of Tide..........was it written in Spanish 3 or 4 years ago?? Is this assimilation?? It's bad news, and will be the doom of both the Democrats and Republicans.
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Posted by: gellero on Dec 4, 2007 5:34 AM
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The average citizen is helpless in a situation like this.
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Posted by: darkhorse on Dec 5, 2007 6:50 PM
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Obviously even if you specify that the company you do business with be in compliance with the law there's no way for a private citizen to be sure of it.
One thing that might work though is to write this specific into the work contract with punative measures (deductions) for violations. Put the companies on notice before the work starts might make them think about complying with the law.
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Posted by: wmb1957 on Dec 1, 2007 12:29 AM
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I've had work done on my house. Am I legally liable if the workers aren't legal? I just assumed they were, but how can one know? I mean its not right to just go around and assume they are here illegally, so what can one do?
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Then he caught a whiff of the Political Winds blowing hard, real hard, to Rightwards and went sailing towards that Land!
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Posted by: niliadis on Dec 1, 2007 1:25 AM
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Ilegal Imigrants are hired by the company one employs, I am sure we would be sued if we called up the roofing company and say you can do the work however I do not want illegals. Its the government that should be sanctionig the employers for hiering he illegals not the customer of the buisness.
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Posted by: Urstrly on Dec 1, 2007 4:45 AM
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Of course the odds against him being president are slim, but he's already in the House and on Lou Dobbs, polluting the atmosphere with hate, and hate motivates people to vote, if not for him then for the "next best thing."
The distraction of fear, whether of illegal Latinos or Muslims, has kept us from dealing with this major issue in our society. I worry about the xenophobic frenzy that has been fostered by Tancredo and Dobbs and Bay Buchanan and her unlovely brother Pat, because it creates an atmosphere where people regard immigrants as less than human.
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Posted by: sausage on Dec 1, 2007 6:27 AM
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Actually it's three-card monte played on the electorate by both politicial parties, as the official economic orthodoxy of both is free market fundamentalism. Since both parties, Democratic and Republican, agree on the myth of a "free market" economy only so-called "cultural issues" distinguish one from the other. The GOP has been particularly successful in exploiting the brutish, nasty, petty side of human nature for the past forty years.
So like abortion, "gay marriage" and "gun control," "illegal immigration" is another "issue" which Republican politicians will bluster and bellow about; threaten to build a fence along the US-Mexico border that will make the Great Wall of China look like a decorative garden borderfence,with illegal immigrant laborers no doubt; and ultimately do nothing because there isn't the funding for it and "they" don't want to raise taxes.
Meanwhile the Democrats will prance around like fairies, wring their hands, saying something must be done, and end up doing nothing to solve the systemic causes for "illegal immigration," on both sides of the border, due to the "free market" economy.
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Posted by: JOHN L. on Dec 1, 2007 8:18 AM
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Beyond that, Tancredo was quite correct in claiming mental illness to avoid the draft/military service.
He OBVIOUSLY IS a nuttier than a fruitcake.
'Nuff Said.
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Posted by: robchapman on Dec 1, 2007 8:36 AM
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But that does not lessen tremendous resonance of the immigration issue in the population.
If one accepts that there are around ten million people working here in undocumented status, our 4.8 per cent unemployment rate goes down and one can conclude that we have a full employment economy. Hence, the economy needs the bodies.
The voters are faced with the paradox of an economy that needs the labor and a legal system that is incapable of providing workers with the documentation needed to work here.
The seasonal, temporary and mobile nature of this work force is well-documented. Reform proposals to put them on the "road to citizenship," are misguided as many of the workers are still connected to their home communities in their countries of origin.
The US should be working with the Latin governments to provide bonding, information on the permanent domiciles and backgound checks on potential workers.
The US should also make a committment to the people who we employ to provide them the protection of our laws and the benefits of our society.
We cannot do without the labor that undocumented workers provide. It is past due time to get them out of the shadows and endow them with legal status.
This will help protect us from unfair competition, people welshing on debts and criminals.
In return we must do take responsibility to afford the protection of our laws and other benefits of our society.
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Posted by: K_for_Kansas on Dec 1, 2007 10:17 AM
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Our immigration laws need reform, certainly, but the heat and lack of light around this issue don't really have much to do with that. As the elections approach, the language will get even more hateful and flamboyant, so hold onto your hats. Will the American people buy it and let themselves once more be distracted from the real issues that threaten our future? Time will tell, but history isn't necessarily encouraging.
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Posted by: Halley Luyah Korus on Dec 1, 2007 12:39 PM
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I'm a licensed general contractor. Our company hires only legal workers, meaning they have to have a valid social sec # or green card. However, many of our subcontractors and competitors hire anyone they can get at the cheapest rate possible. Is this a result of free entrerprise?? I don't know what free enterprise means, but I think it's a poor excuse for allowing just any old soul cross into our country and take jobs away from tax-paying citizens. For me that's the crux of the matter.
The hispanic workers I know and work with are mostly hard workers, honest and decent folks. I have no problem with them working here as long as they get signed up with the INS, get their legal working papers and get on the tax rolls like the rest of us working-class folks. I keep reading these articles that spout all these billions of $$$ that illegal immigrants are contributing to our economy. Well what about the billions of $$$ that the rest of us LEGALS are contributing--while at the same time we're paying taxes to support the government and the social services that many of the illegal immigrants use as if they have every right to use them.
The other aspect of this that ticks me off is the way these illegal workers drive down wages and job opportunities for Americans. Yes, we are close to full employment, but tell that to those carpenters who are now having to work for a lot less $ or lose business to the buttholes who hire the illegals at half the going wage rate. Maybe eight hispanic guys can live together in a two-bedroom apartment and send money home to mama and the kids while making $12 an hour, but please don't ask American workers to try to do that.
What many of us progressives, liberals, whatever seem to forget is that MANY MANY AMERICANS GAVE THEIR LIVES TO GIVE THE REST OF US A CHANCE TO HAVE A 40-HOUR WORK WEEK, DECENT WAGES AND SAFE WORKING CONDITIONS. Illegal immigrant workers are undermining that progress.
I for one, am for some form of amnesty for those immigrants who have been here for X number of years and who have been employed and have no criminal record. Anyone else can go back south and get in line to do it the right way. Now, if we could only get our "leaders" to put a plan like that into action.
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» Genius......ID's are PHONEY
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Posted by: sofla100 on Dec 1, 2007 5:31 PM
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If the contractor is super cheap, if he cannot give you good references you can check and if he has complaints with the state licensing or better business bureau, watch out.
In other words, you don't have to ask. Look, the supercheapo contractor is supercheapo for a reason, don't you think? Not real hard really to find out who is using the illegal aliens, I would say.
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Posted by: MargoM on Dec 1, 2007 5:53 PM
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I always make sure who I hire is licensed and bonded. Can they get licenses and be bonded and have illegals working for them?
I would prefer not to hire illegals, but I never thought about asking about that.
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The hispanic vote only made up 6% of the 2004 election. The Democrats are throwing away the support of 2/3 to 3/4 of the remaining 96% of the electorate.
The dorks who are "liberally" throwing around the terms "racism" and "racist" are going find themselves increasingly isolated.
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» Oh, it's 20 million now, huh?
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Why was this smear even necessary to the piece? It intentionally implies racism and lawlessness by the Minutemen, of whom, to the best of my knowledge, have never had a single incident of violence along the border or elsewhere.
It's obvious Tancredo likes to demonize his opposition. I just don't understand why so many so called progressives always feel the need to do the same.
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Posted by: dezertlady71 dezertlady71 on Dec 2, 2007 12:34 PM
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It is illegal for anyone to go out and ask workers individually if they are legal residents as well as provide proof.
I believe Mr. Tancredo's mistake was not making it clear to the CONTRACTOR that he didn't want illegals working on his home.
I'm sure he's learned a lesson by now.
And since illegals are doing the job that no American wants, (because it's low-paying), illegals are expected to show up on these jobs unless someone is a moron or has been hiding in a hole for the last twenty years.
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» break out of NAFTA and jail the employers
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so ask yourself: if you have a monster-sized home...
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Posted by: SOWILO on Dec 3, 2007 4:03 PM
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It is best if you want to come to the U.S. or the West in gerneral to appy through the proper channels. We should be only allowing highly-skilled immigrants, UNLESS they can prove refugee status BEYOND THE SHADOW OF A DOUBT. We are the most liberal when it comes to immigration and I find it hysterical to read posts from people with their horse-blinders on in regards to this issue, thinking we can just have "open borders."
My advice to those "open border" advocates would be to research the disaster called NAFTA, and then spend some time with the migrants themselves and learn more about their lives, their habits etc. GO TO THEM DIRECTLY and see for yourself. Then make a decision about how you feel about this issue. I live in LA and I have seen the hardships that these families have, how they will never assimilate and how they have actually spread racism and strife throughout the city. I consider myself a progressive and very very liberal, but it seems a lot of people who don't have immediate contact with the most extreme circumstances involving illegal immigration seem to be the ones on their high-horse making judgements on those of us who are concerned about our social fabric itself. With this war going on, the dumbing down of the public, and everything else, the last thing we need are these CHRISTIANS pouring in.
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Posted by: gellero on Dec 3, 2007 8:49 PM
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Do these 'undocumented' (god forbid I should say 'illegal') immigrants really do the 'work Americans won't do' as the Pres. and the Progressives (strange bedfellows!!) claim?? Sure they do....at a lower wage. The laws of economics dictates that if these 'undocumented' aka illegal alien workers weren't here, the working man's wage would rise. The posters here probably weren't listening in the college economics classes their Daddys' paid for.
A client of mine who is an Arizona developer stated it like this......he has to bid on a project, and those with the cheapest labor win. Mexican-American subcontractors (totally legal) work for him....and use cheap imported ( aka illegal) labor....he is isolated from the legal stuff totally. There is no work for native born and nationalized citizens at that wage. The local working man looses.
What is happening now is not like any previous mass migration.....this is an alien culture that is marginally assimilated. Go to the supermarket and look at a box of Tide..........was it written in Spanish 3 or 4 years ago?? Is this assimilation?? It's bad news, and will be the doom of both the Democrats and Republicans.
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The average citizen is helpless in a situation like this.
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Obviously even if you specify that the company you do business with be in compliance with the law there's no way for a private citizen to be sure of it.
One thing that might work though is to write this specific into the work contract with punative measures (deductions) for violations. Put the companies on notice before the work starts might make them think about complying with the law.
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