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Have Democrats Already Lost Florida?

By Bob Moser, The Nation. Posted November 30, 2007.


Florida Democrats are being boycotted by their party's presidential candidates, leaving many voters in the nation’s largest swing state feeling alienated.
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Orlando -- On the final Friday of a parched and quarrelsome October, Florida Democrats were bumping around a hallway in Disney's faux-elegant Yacht and Beach Club Resort on the opening night of their state convention, perusing campaign items for sale (three Hillary buttons for $5!), sussing out the evening's schedule ("The progressives are supposed to be having a party, but where are they?") and, mostly, grousing about the conspicuous absence of presidential candidates.

"This whole thing here is a joke," said John Taylor, a hulking schoolteacher from Jacksonville wearing the tallest, most bodacious Chef Boyardee-style, star-spangled red-white-and-blue hat you ever saw. "How stupid the Democrats are -- we're shooting ourselves in the foot!" Taylor angrily recalled some of the Republicans' tactics for suppressing the Democratic vote in 2000 and 2004. "They stole two elections, and now we've been working six years to make sure that don't happen again. And the Democrats screw us!"

"Forget that," his friend said. "You're beating a dead horse. I blame the candidates. You've got, what, ten or eleven of them? And not one of them shows up here?"

It's rumored that Mike Gravel will be in town tomorrow, I note (and he did appear, at the convention and an antiwar rally). "If he's here, that's where my vote is going," said the friend.

Not Taylor's. "I'm going to have to resign from the Duval [County] Democratic Party" -- he serves on its executive committee -- "just so that I can vote for somebody else. I'm going to vote Libertarian, probably. Or I might cross over and vote for Huckabee. My wife will kill me. She's the treasurer of the Duval Democratic Party! She retired from her job to work full time, for no money, for the Democrats. And I'm the man in the hat! But why not? What difference does it make? The Democrats don't care about us in Florida."

"I think it sucks," says Bob Matherne, a bearded middle-aged fellow in a Kucinich shirt. Matherne's been registering LGBT voters in Sarasota for months now, but daily headlines featuring the war between national and Florida Democrats have made it tough. "People don't understand the situation -- and neither do I, really. They're asking for clarification: 'What's going on? The Republicans aren't being penalized for the early primary. Why are we being penalized? Why would Democrats do this, already knowing about Florida's problems with voting?'"

Florida Democrats can surely be excused for feeling a wee bit put-upon -- and confused. Across town just the weekend before, 5,000 Florida Republicans had been dined, wined and wooed by their presidential candidates at a lavish event culminating in a debate aired on Fox. Meanwhile, Florida Democrats -- who'd planned to trump the Republican weekend with their own presidential extravaganza -- found themselves in the bizarre position of being boycotted by their candidates.

This strange saga began innocuously enough. Fearing likely attempts by big states like Michigan and Florida to disrupt the parties' primary calendars with early dates in 2008, Republicans and Democrats ruled at their 2004 conventions that states trying to butt in before Iowa and New Hampshire would lose half their delegates. The Republicans left it there. The Democrats decided to try and fix things. The Democratic National Committee's rules committee was tasked with bringing order to the chaotic primaries. Twelve states applied for two additional early primary slots, which were awarded earlier this year to South Carolina and Nevada. Democrats in other states could not vote before February 5.

That created a sticky situation for Florida Democrats when, to nobody's surprise, the Republican-controlled state legislature passed a law in May scheduling the state's primary for January 29. (In most states, primary dates are set by the parties.) The primary date was wrapped up in a bill mandating a paper trail for the 2008 election -- a popular measure the minority Democrats could not afford to oppose. Besides, the loss of delegates was largely a toothless penalty, since according to precedent the Democrats' eventual presidential nominee controls the seating of delegates -- and surely wouldn't alienate folks from the nation's largest swing state by turning them away.

But the DNC did not leave it there. In August the rules committee voted to strip all the state's delegates unless Florida came up with an alternative to the January 29 voting. "I understand Florida's dilemma," DNC rules committee member Donna Brazile told me later. "But this is not about states' rights; this is about a process we're trying to keep some control over." Two weeks after the DNC vote, Democratic chairs in the "First Four" primary states jacked up the ante with their notorious "four-state pledge" demanding the candidates focus exclusively on them. The signees -- including John Edwards, Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton -- agreed to do no campaigning in Florida or any other state that might try to jump the gun. And under party rules, "campaigning" means just about everything: e-mail messages; calls to voters; TV, radio or newspaper ads; rallies; hiring campaign workers; holding press conferences. The only thing Democrats are allowed to do in Florida -- where folks have been complaining for years, with some justification, about being used as an ATM for the party -- is fundraise.

As Florida Democrats bayed in protest, DNC chair Howard Dean salted their wounds by opining that their votes "essentially won't count." Almost overnight, the unsavory reputation Florida Republicans had earned during the riotous Gore v. Bush 2000 recount battle was relegated to ancient history, and the Republicans' sagging hopes of carrying Florida -- where Democrats scored big in the 2006 midterms -- were suddenly sky-high. "The Democrats like to talk about Republicans disenfranchising black voters in Florida," state GOP chair Jim Greer shouted happily at a Black Republicans soiree. "How many delegates will the Democrats be sending from Florida to their national convention? Zero!"


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Have Democrats already lost Florida?
Posted by: vox persona on Nov 30, 2007 12:12 AM   
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You betcha, especially if they implemented papertrail-less electronic voting machines. I predict that Democrats have already lost every state that uses Diebold.

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» That's an interesting idea Posted by: ReallyBearish
"show up"????
Posted by: wwittman on Nov 30, 2007 1:11 AM   
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While I agree about the danger of another Diebold related theft...

the point about candidates needing to "show up" in a state seems like something from another century to me.

Have they no television in Florida?
Do their self interests really change based on who "shows up"?
Are they so shallow that they can only vote for a candidate who has been photographed in a local diner or two?
REALLY?

So, it's true. CNN actually has it RIGHT.

People DON'T care about issues.

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» They'd better show up! Posted by: harpy
Its Disheartening
Posted by: bryangalt on Nov 30, 2007 3:35 AM   
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The Democrats have been making grade school mistakes in the handling of the primary issue in Florida. The overtone reminds me of a grammar school election with Dean acting like the Principal scolding the children.

What really needs to happen is the DNC needs to pull its head out of its ass and make amends at once. We as a party must not let anything become so divisive at this stage of the pre-election process.

Once the primaries are over and the election has been won (by a miracle at this rate)then there needs to be serious discussion about the potential of have just five primary dates nationwide at the most, and all of them during the same week of May or June leading up to the elections.

That would still leave the nominee plenty of time to dazzle us with their brilliance or baffle us with their BS.

As far as Iowa and NH are concerned, they need to get on board with this for the sake of national peace. Frankly, I am not impressed with their decision making ability since the last two candidates they helped to get elected left something to be desired.

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» RE: Its Disheartening Posted by: Lauren
We need to unite, not let the other side divide us.
Posted by: jvaljon1 on Nov 30, 2007 4:13 AM   
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Alternet--sorry if my last post was too long for you to use. The one where I berated Democrats for losing Florida in the primaries, rather than (as has been customary in the last two 'elections') letting the gang of thugs from the other side steal it from us?

America will not become America again (the one that most of us grew up in, and most of us miss from the bottom of our hearts) unless we learn how to counter Rove's tactics! People, this ain't rocket science!

Note to Dr. Dean--you were great until you pulled the Fla delegation. Your 50-state strategy got us '06 and put America back on track (The America we all remember) to end this long national nightmare in '08). Please fix it or, if it's a LAW that the Republicans shoved over you, just PUBLICIZE that as what it really was (the law about not letting Fla Democrats vote) as what it really is: another Rovian SWIFTBOATING.

(Anyone who thinks that Rove and his operatives really did step down this year, I got a bridge that you'll really enjoy buying...)

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The Fix Is In
Posted by: VannaLaRoche on Nov 30, 2007 4:19 AM   
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The Republican candidates don't really need to campaign--they're just waiting to see who Dick Cheney chooses. (The others will get very nice consolation prizes, you'll see.)

I think we're going to be looking at President Giuliani and a veep named Fred. But not because the American people chose them.

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» RE: The Fix Is In Posted by: Lauren
The DNC is hopeless
Posted by: Democritus on Nov 30, 2007 4:28 AM   
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If a State mandates that a primary take place on a certain date, that should supersede any internal rule devised by a political party. Immediately after Florida set Jan. 29 as the primary date, Howard Dean should have allowed an exception to the Party's rules so that active campaigning could take place in Florida. Instead, we get idiocy from Dean, Donna Brazile and "the big four," who have essentially ticked off Florida Democrats.

As a Florida voter, I want my vote to count in the primaries. Howard Dean should now reverse the DNC's stance and release the Dem candidates from their pledges not to appear in Florida before the primary. So what if party honchos in Iowa and New Hampshire howl? Florida is the state that counts heaviest in the general election. We don't want anyone sitting on his or her hands in the general election.

Will Dean do what's needed? I hope so, but I doubt it. If he doesn't, I urge all Florida Dems who ae as ticked off as I am to vote for Dennis Kucinch, Bill Richardson, or Mike Gravel. None of the so-called "leading candidates" should be able to get any traction from this debacle.

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First the Democrats happily LOSE Texas, then Florida, next stop, CALIFORNIA !!!!
Posted by: maxpayne on Nov 30, 2007 5:36 AM   
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Yes, the GOP is already working hard as hell to split the CA electoral vote and yet the Democrats in TX and FL REFUSE to do the same to make it even !

What the morons who continue to blame Nader and his supporters for the mess we’re in never seem to get is that it is only on the surface that things would have appeared differently than they’ve turned out. Maybe we wouldn’t be in Iraq (or maybe we would be. Democratic president Lyndon Johnson was responsible for the Gulf of Tonkin incident, and Maddalyn Albright felt it was just fine to continue the embargo that killed maybe 500 thousand Iraqis.). We still would have had “free trade” (NAFTA and GATT were originally Republican programs which were wholehardedly endorced by Clinton/Gore. Sure, we would have had a few token environmental laws passed, our civil liberties would have been shredded more slowly and imperceptibly, and most of us would have been lulled back to sleep, thinking that- whew!- the threat to our democracy and to our lifestyle had passed.

Still, nothing substantial would have been done to address what are by far the two greatest threats to sustainable life on this planet- global warming and our dependence on fossil fuels (including the effects of having reached “peak oil”). Think about it. Where the fuck was the great Nobel lauriate after “Earth in the Balance”? You’re probably aware of how grossly energy inefficient his house in Tennessee is, and how he holds much financial interest in Marathon OIL? Still think the world would would be better off with the Hyppocrite-in-Chief running the show? Notice any difference now that the Democrats “control” both houses of Congress?

Of course not. Gore, like Pelosi and Reid, was put where he was to make it appear that we have choices; that we’ve really been living in a democracy. Hey, look how effective their ruse has been. You fell for it then, and you continue to fall for it now.

The reason I worked so hard to get Nader some votes was not because I felt he was going to win, nor simply because I wanted to protest the system. (I do that-and have done that for a long time- by my actions, every day.) I felt he had very legitimate points which needed to be heard (They still do.), unlike the “two” major parties, both of which have been hopelessly and irrevocably corrupted for a very long time. And, what most people, who continue to whine about how Nader cost Gore the election (and thus is ultimately responsible for the destruction of “our” “democracy”, forget is that had Nader gotten just 15% of the popular vote the Green Party would have been given federal funding for the 2004 elections.

As Michael Moore has said, “The richest 1% have two political parties. Shouldn’t the rest of us have at least one?”

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Lets be clear
Posted by: drmflorida on Nov 30, 2007 6:24 AM   
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The Democratic party did not screw us out of the primary, it was the Florida Legislature where we re-elect republicans ad nauseum. Why did we change our primary date? Because we figured we could screw over some other nicer state who doesn't cut in line. And what happens if (when) every other state starts doing the same? Well, that question is SOOO not the kind of thing Floridians generally concern themselves with.

Personally, I think the system is a little bit screwed up. I look at the recent list of candidates and presidents that have been made or broken by the good people of Iowa and New Hampshire, and I wonder if they're just about as fucked up as Florida.

Me first sucks. Me first is the problem.

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Florida Dems...or Dims?.. only have selves to blame
Posted by: sausage on Nov 30, 2007 6:36 AM   
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Florida state Democrats have only themselves to
blame for this imbroglio. The DNC rules is pretty much set in stone and there had to be legislators who knew this...
But Republicans in the Florida Legislature — supported by many Democrats (emphasis added) — pushed through a measure setting Jan. 29 as the date for their state's presidential primary. Gov. Charlie Crist, a Republican, is expected to sign the bill.
LATimes.com, May 20, 2007

The Democratic dumbasses walked right into a Republican trap with eyes wide open:
GOP officials in the state say they had no idea until late in this spring's legislative session that the change would create so much turmoil on the Democratic side.

"I don't think anybody made us aware of that until the very end of the process," said Marco Rubio, the Republican state House speaker.

op.cit

Don't you just love that!

Anybody with Internet access can Google up the DNC and get the scoop on the rulings of the Commission on Presidential Nomination Timing and Scheduling. The Commission made its final recommendations in December of 2005!

Yeah, right...Florida's Republicans didn't know nothing.

Once again the Democratic Party's played like a dime-store fiddle by the GOP!

This is one reason people are so cynical when it coms to the election process. It's just too f*cking long. Every political campaign in this country, from city dog catcher on up to president, should begin on Labor Day and end on election day totally within the election year.

The best outcome of Flordia Democrats' blunder is that Dennis Kucinich could end up with all of Florida's Democratic convention delegates.

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» well, that clears everything up Posted by: KaptainSpiffy
Now is not the time for this crap Mr. Dean.
Posted by: lamar on Nov 30, 2007 7:05 AM   
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It would be nice to blame the GOP, but FL Democrats supported the new primary date as well, and nobody raised a stink about national party sanctions.

What I don't understand is why, at this critical time in our history, the DNC would give its candidates such a handicap. Some people are preemptively blaming Diebold. The truth is that the Democratic Party is putting on a power play that could affect the outcome of the presidential election. Shame on Howard Dean (if Romney gets elected Prez, then the word "shame" will be quite an understatement).

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Here is how the Dems can win Florida
Posted by: mikevolpe on Nov 30, 2007 8:01 AM   
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I have been trying with little success to spread this story however, here is the name: Dr. Andrew Agwunobi. He is knee deep in the scandal at Wellcare and he is knee deep in all sorts of other scandals including one currently going on at Grady Hospital in Atlanta, Ga. He probably has even done some malfeasance in California though so far there all I have discovered is strange behavior.

He is the current head of the AHCA in the Dept. of Health in Florida in the Republican admin.

He spent six months on the board of Wellcare. He cashed out one million bucks worth of options, and then took his current position. It is interesting that his brother John was until recently also part of the Florida admin. His new agency, the AHCA, along with several others raided Wellcare about eight months into his tenure. Most of the rest of the board members have been left holding the bag, including getting no payout, certainly nothing like the mill he got after only six months.

This appears scandalous however no one seems to want to report it. I have put it on my blog and a medicare fraud blog has also been following it. That seems to be it even though this is clearly scandalous. I hope people here will investigate it as well. Here is my piece...

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Peacekeeper
Posted by: Peacekeeper on Nov 30, 2007 8:22 AM   
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I have been A supporter of the Democratic party, and labor Unions for many Years, Despite the fact that organized labor Has Done little for me sense 1992. I believe in the what Unions Stand for, or stood For in say 1929. the Fact is, like the Democratic Party, you tend to follow the Curve so to speak. The problem is we have to change, and there will be A loss of well paid Union Jobs, I know from experience, after all I have Lost many well paying Union Jobs in my lifetime. It seems to me that it would be wise to work with lawmakers, to provide incentives to encourage Corporations to go green. I don't see that happening.

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My summary of the situation and 2 solutions
Posted by: chaoslegs on Nov 30, 2007 8:56 AM   
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So thanks to endless media attention and pandering by presidential candidates, all the focus has been on the horse race in New Hampshire and Iowa.

Many states, especially those with more electoral votes, feel that they only get to pick between the candidates that are pretty much selected by these smaller, somehow more important states. These bigger states have fought back by trying to move their primary or caucus up to be relevant in the selection of their party's candidate.

Some how the national leadership of the party are sticking with the manufactured importance of the IA and NH, including puntitative measures to these other states.

Florida had it's date set in by the state legislature (controlled by the opposition), not the party, and tied it to voter protection methods to make it passage bi-partisan.

The national party leadership still imposed the sanctions on the Florida. The Florida party structure, which is likely similar, but more local, to the national party leadership, is pissed off.

Since they are pissed off, they want to punish back. Even though most voters don't know or care who or if Florida has delegates at the national convention, they are still raising a stink. This has allowed the opposition to make a point to independents that Democrats don't care about Florida at all, which is not the case. But yes it will hurt the candidate of Democrats because of a disillusioned state party structure that is crucial in grassroots efforts.

It is just a stupid power issue between national DNC, the crazy importance placed on IA and NH, and how DNC has protected that at the expense of large states.

Also because of the media's early annointing of front runners, some candidates have to put all their hopes on doing well in IA and NH, and to do that must abide by stupid Four State pledges, that further alienate those of us in the rest of the country.

So I lay the blame first on the media and how it covers campaigns. It is truly sad. Second I blame IA and NH for their unreasonable push to be first at the expense of the rest of country. Third I blame the DNC and Florida for not working this crap out.

A possible, but unlikely solution. Just as there is a push to have a compact that would give the electoral college votes need to be elected to the popular vote winner, we should start a compact for all the states but IA and NH. The compact would be to have party delegates not pick the winner of IA and NH. That would reduce their importance and would discourage candidates from voting there. Would it be stupid and destructive, yes, but it might inject some sanity into the whole process.

I for one am a fan of regional voting. Maybe NE, SE, Midwest and West. All the votes in those regions on one day. The spacing 2 weeks apart. The order of the regions to vote first to rotate every presidential election cylce.

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Divide and Conquer through Confusion
Posted by: gabbyn on Nov 30, 2007 8:58 AM   
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Given Florida's past history of GOP manipulation and disenfranchising voters, I agree Karl Rove left when he did, to fulfill another psyops mission. Divide and Conguer through Confusion--and start passing the blame and shame along to the innocents.

Dirty politics as usual, so what else is new? So okay, a dirty trick was played upon Florida and the Dems: we still have a choice! We can be like sheep and pass blame and shame along or we can stop it in its tracks!

Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me.

Are we going to let Karl Rove, the GOP or Diebold manipulate and make fools of us again? Or are we going to look at this confusion without blaming or shaming and make up the difference.

As one person pointed out--we have the internet, we have national television and we have alternative newssources to keep us informed. We can choose to see ourselves as disenfranchised or we can choose to overcome it. We can let them fool us a second time by using a different dirty trick, or we can choose to overcome it. We can choose to blame the Dems, Dr. Dean, or the whole DNC or we can choose to overcome it.

Where is the pay value in a spiteful reaction to confusion? Confusion is, after all, a temporary state of mind and we can choose to let it defeat us, or we can choose to overcome it.

If we let this temporary state of confusion rule our wallets and cut off funding to our favorite candidate, or switch parties--as some have suggested, then the GOP gets away with another dirty trick. If they get away with it again, shame on me!

I saw a documentary that claimed the Bilderberg group chose our two party winners for us, ahead of the campaigning. They know what tricks to play, so the one's with the biggest campaign chests are the front runners, and have the most favors to return to special interest groups, once elected. So the same special interest groups fund both sides. They contribute their funding to the most ambitious power seekers. Don't be fooled by their millions--as a sign of their electability, as defined by those who purchased their election. We've been there and done that already.

Never before has it been more important for ordinary citizens to dig into their wallets and choose the candidate that best represents your values and whatever you do--don't be fooled by the "electability" scam of the century.

Front runners, aka the top-tiered candidates, on both sides of the aisle are the ones to avoid. Practice self defense and study the policies of each candidate, especially the lower-tiered candidates--since they have the best resolutions.

For example: Universal healthcare is a major issue, but not all Universal healtcare solutions are equal between candidates.

Dennis Kucinich is the only candidate offering a not for profit healthcare system with medical for everyone--not just for those employed. Too many of us have been forced into sticking with a Bully employer--for the healthcare package, a pension, or other benefits. And too many employers have filed bankruptcy and the employees have lost all of those benefits after slaving for that company for 30 years. While Corporations enjoy lenient bankruptcy relief, ordinary citizens will end up paying more than ever.

With the GOP's penchant for less government, deregulation, self monitoring and favoring monopolies, we the people no longer register as human beings deserving fair treatment. We're simply collateral damage, as disposable and replaceable as yesterday's newspaper.

For myself, I'm choosing to vote for Dennis Kucinich, as he is more spiritually in tune with everyday people. He listens with his heart and finds the best all around solution. You can find his policies at http://Kucinich4President.com

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If you think FL's going to vote for Black or Female Dems are crazy as hell
Posted by: common intelligence on Nov 30, 2007 9:06 AM   
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Sorry. But FL is one of the strong holds of bigotry in the country,
and Democrats have been stupid to let the media push these two as front runners. To hell with preliminary polls. FOcus on the over all picture of Amercans.

Politics is a stategic playing of game plans. Democrats , like Diane Feinstein are thinking they are going to bring the people together by
"staying the course" , supporting the criminal activities of a mad pirate regime and their constituants, are the ones isolating these two parties.

Non of the candidates address the roots of the problem like Kucinich and Ron Paul. Yet the media disregards them and isolates them from the "advertised" front runners.

Hillary is not her husband. and Obama is not Martin Luther. and the southern states do hold on to the "Southern" attitudes.

It seems the FL retires would want to be addressed on social security and health care, but they have to understand those things can't be had until the war is ended, Bush and Cheney are jailed, and the economy is redirected toward infrastucture.

Long ago I knew this election wasn't going to be a cake walk.
FLorida is no exception. Jeb Bush is rooted in the problem too.

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The Dems never had Florida-
Posted by: Ellie1 on Nov 30, 2007 10:56 AM   
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This state has been to crooked and stupid to see past their noses. Florida GAVE us George W, remember?

Florida and Texas both suck.

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» RE: The Dems never had Florida- Posted by: drmflorida
New Process for a New Century
Posted by: BlueTigress on Nov 30, 2007 10:43 PM   
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Frankly, I've had it with the Iowa and New Hampshire first routine. It might make them feel important, but they need to let the rest of the country have a crack at being the first deciders.

I propose that we have a random selection process for the state that has the first primary. Iowa and New Hampshire may not be first for the next hundred years and if a state comes up first two primaries in a row first state honors goes to a state that has not gone first until it rotates through all fifty (or whatever states).

yes, I know that New Hampshire has it in their state constitution that they have to go first and I don't quite know how to deal with that other than to tell them 'too bad'.

But, yeah, the DNC is doing one hell of a job of alienating big states so they can continue to curry favor with the "First Four".

Maybe if the "First Four" comprised a different group every primary we might get a better crop of candidates.

Farmers understand rotating fields. Why can't these clowns?

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I don't blame the Dems
Posted by: supercrisp on Dec 1, 2007 5:18 AM   
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I mean, do Floridians votes actually count or get counted? If not, why bother campaigning there? A campaign only has so much money, and it has to be spent where a state can be won. If I was a Dem presidential candidate and my life depended on winning, I sure as hell wouldn't waste my time in Florida, nor in any number of other states.

And before anyone's knickers get anymore twisted than they are, isn't this still early winter 2007? We've got about eleven months to go. Maybe some of the Dem candidates will swing through Florida to talk to all the folks whose votes are stolen by Jeb Bush and his cronies.

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Florida, '08
Posted by: Col. Jackleg on Dec 1, 2007 8:00 AM   
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The Dolphins and Dems are big losers in Florida this year. Perhaps both will rebound in '08, maybe by '12, possibly by '16, surely to god by '20, provided anything is left over to care about.

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Florida lost?
Posted by: dougo on Dec 2, 2007 1:06 PM   
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Yes it is if the Dems don't quit letting a couple of hundred corn and pig farmers determine the course of the country. Wake up and smell the coffee Dems,or see your chances of taking the Whhite House evaporate.

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Should we vote for Barack Hussein Obama
Posted by: niliadis on Dec 2, 2007 6:45 PM   
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Should we vote for Barrack Hussein Obama?
What the American People care about is living in our wonderful United States safe, working hard and trying to work with one another in a peaceful country and getting along and be respected by other countries like in the Clinton days. We criticize Hillary, What about Barrack Hussein Obama Rumor has it …. Oprah running to his side, (watch out Michelle)…or Rudy having extramarital affairs on tax payer’s monies. My! My! My! How ridiculous we all are!! Do we care about all this…not really...What we should care about is…. Do we realize that we may be electing Barrack Hussein Obama as our President of the United States? We are in crisis and in crucial times...we should be talking about how dangerous it can be if we elect Barrack Hussein Obama!!! He is of Muslim background, Black...but does this really matter???...NO NOT REALLY-This should not matter we are all children of the same GOD… What matters is that He is inexperienced, no foreign policy EXPERIENCE. His experience is minimal and all that is going for him is that he articulates well. And we would not even be talking about his articulation if he wasn't black. What really matters is… Yes!!! Inexperience, ZERO foreign policy inexperience Which may be a BIG RISK? This is what really matters...can we afford a risk??? I don't know about you but I do not think so. Today Mr. Barrack Hussein Obama made a speech; He said “so many people told me to wait, wait” wait and then he proceeded to say “for what?????” Well if he doesn't know why, then Mr. Barrack Hussein Obama really has a problem, I'll tell you why you needed to wait Mr. Barrack Hussein Obama : EXPERIENCE!!! EXPERIENCE!!! EXPERIENCE.

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