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We Are What We Eat

By Jamey Lionette, South End Press. Posted December 10, 2007.


Mass production of food is ruining our health, environment, and taste buds. How did this happen?

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The following is an excerpt from Manifestos on the Future of Food and Seed edited by Vandana Shiva (South End, 2007).

I am not a scientist, journalist, or other specialist. I sell food. I help run a family-owned and operated neighborhood market and café that buys and sells predominantly local, clean, and sustainable food. I cannot speak about the reality of our food supply around most of the world. I can only can speak of what is happening in the first world, where, unfortunately, only the privileged elite can choose to put real food on their dinner tables.

Lately it seems every mass media newspaper or magazine, from the New York Times to Rolling Stone, has an article digging into the true filth that most food in the U.S. really is. Some people are actually questioning mass produced and monoculture organic food. Even Time magazine proclaimed "Local Is the New Organic" on its cover. Everywhere I turn people tell me that there is a new wind in the U.S.; that people are now concerned about eating local, clean, and sustainable food. From my vantage point in the market, behind the counter, I just don't see it. Yes, in Massachusetts there are more farms today than in the last 20 or so years, but fewer total acres than ever recorded. Farmers markets are becoming popular or perhaps trendy. Chain supermarkets are "listening to their customers" and capitalizing on cheap "organic" food. But the chain-supermarket owners are some of the same people who screwed up our food supply in the first place. How can we trust them?

Outdoor food markets are a mainstay in most cultures in the world and were once a given in our culture. Now most people go there to shop for the luxury food treats (locally grown food) and get their staples at the supermarket. I think that because of the Depression (when there was no money to spend on food) and World War II (when there was rationing and everyone was focused on the war effort) Americans lost their taste-buds. Along came the mass-produced foods of the 1950s at cheap prices. Supermarkets were a "progressive" thing, as suburban living was progressive. Rural culture and production was frowned upon as old-fashioned and primitive. Food from all over the world suddenly became available and at prices lower than local food. Protecting America's foreign interest, the beginning of what we now call globalization, became a new form of colonialism. Foreign resources, raw materials as well as labor, were now easily exploitable by the nation's new superpower status. As the economy grew, money filtered down to the managerial and to some of the working class and was coupled with an influx of cheap products made cheaply and available to most classes of the U.S. Consumerism took off. Our food changed as well, especially with faster transport and technologies trickery to extend the shelf life of food. Seasonal produce became available year round; exotic food (such as bananas and oranges in Boston) became readily available and affordable. Everything was cheaper, the shopping was more convenient, and exotic foods became staples in our diet. Small and local farms shut down or were forced into monoculture farming. A disconnect sprouted between our diets and our food sources. An orange, once a special and rare treat, became an everyday commodity.

Supermarkets are part of mainstream America's identity. Working-class people have little choice but to shop at conventional supermarkets. Middle-class people can shop at places like Whole Foods and appease their consciences with the notion that that food is safer and tastier than conventional supermarket food. And those of the flat earth society -- middle- and upper-class people who do not believe that their climate is changing, that a global market is a bad thing, or that our food systems are in trouble -- favor the conventional supermarket. However, both conventional and progressive supermarkets operate on the same model: mass-produced foods, made cheaply, and sold at cheap prices.

Supermarkets sell commodities. They buy mass-produced food from big business. This model of efficiency, which mirrored the production of things like automobiles and VCRs, is what created the mess our food supply is in. Efficient ordering and deliveries, no seasonal variety of stock, little to no blemishes (whether natural or from human error), significant quantities -- enough to keep all those shelves constantly filled with whatever the customer might want. I describe this model as "I want what I want when I want it," and it goes against everything about food that is local, clean, and sustainable. It cannot be done at a mass level. [...]


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Jamey Lionette, a contributor to Manifestos on the Future of Food and Seed (South End Press, 2007), with his family runs Lionette's Market and the Garden of Eden restaurant.

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Whose working class?
Posted by: YogiBear on Dec 10, 2007 12:50 AM   
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Working-class people have little choice but to shop at conventional supermarkets. Middle-class people can shop at places like Whole Foods and appease their consciences

I disagree with your notion of the middle class. It's true it includes the latter. But it also includes a large number of working class folks who can't (regularly) afford to shop at Whole Foods.

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» The disconnect? Posted by: Cathyc
» Whole Foods Posted by: Dboy
Food for thought
Posted by: YogiBear on Dec 10, 2007 12:55 AM   
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Good piece, by the way.

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Corporatism Has Taken Over How & What You Eat
Posted by: nochicagoboys on Dec 10, 2007 2:25 AM   
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For even a more exploratory history of how modern America produces and markets what we eat, please read The Omnivore's Dilemma (by Michael Pollan). It was required reading for this year's incoming freshman class at the College of Holy Cross. The Omnivore’s Dilemma promises to change the way you think about the politics and pleasure of eating.

Or, if a little humor is more your style, you can view The Meatrix and see another version of how food is produced in America. Either will make you question your addiction to meat (red or otherwise) while you struggle to come to grips with how corporate America has taken over your culture, your values, your very life.

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We are what we eat
Posted by: Pau on Dec 10, 2007 3:45 AM   
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Never better expressed: fools.
We also eat what we buy, and we buy like fools. Our main god, money, is the one we pay hommage to, we want to save in what we buy, we want comfort and save time. Next we blame the corporate system for what we do when it is us who have made the choice.
Yes, perhaps the misleading advertising system of large corporations mislead us, but that is because we want to be mislead.
We think we save money in our purchases, but next we must spend the savings in medicine and health care. If you buy a cheap orange, you get a cheap orange, refrigerated, transported for long distances and matured with gasses. When we buy cheap chicken, that´s what we get, cheap chicken, along with a bunch of hormones and injected fluids to falsely increase the weight at the scales.
We want comfort, easy parking and next we have to spend our time either in the gim or running like nuts around the cities going nowhere. And yes, buying special shoes and gear to run.
We are what we eat, fools.

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They don't want it
Posted by: PJT on Dec 10, 2007 5:05 AM   
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I live in New Castle, western PA. In August the beautiful peaches are falling off the trees within sight of the supermarket but there are no fresh local peaches there. I asked the produce manager why all the peaches were from California. Because, he said, the customers don't want variety-- they want to find the same thing week after week. Local peaches are smaller, have too much fuzz and aren't "standard looking". He said to me, if I wanted local peaches, go to the farm stand.

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» RE: They don't want it Posted by: AndyF
» RE: They don't want it Posted by: Fat Man at the Buffet Line
How might increasing energy and water costs change our food system?
Posted by: AndyF on Dec 10, 2007 6:01 AM   
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This is a question I would really like to see addressed in a non-hysterical manner. Personally, I think increasing energy costs could do more for the locally/sustainably grown food movement than anything else.

Questions I would like to see explored in this area include:
> Dairy - as fuel prices increase, will it become cheaper to keep cows on pasture at smaller dairies than to keep several thousand cows confined and truck in all feed and truck out all manure?

> Meat - same type of question, at what energy cost level does feedlot production become uneconomic compared to raising animals on grass?

> Fruits and vegetables - is there a point where as energy and water costs rise, it will become uneconomic to produce a significant fraction of the nation's produce in desert environments such as California's Central Valley and Arizona?

If it comes down to economics, the same forces that have driven the consolidation and homogenization of the US food supply since the middle of the 19th century could lead to a significant dispersal and decentralization of our future food supply.

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Holidays are here, and we love cookies! However........
Posted by: TRUTHer on Dec 10, 2007 6:24 AM   
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Have you ever looked at the ingredient list on a box of cookies? It is mind boggling..you will be hard pressed to find 'food' in it, other than flour! Like it or not, kids and adults do eat sweets...I love cookies. However, I stopped buying them long ago, until my friend gave me a box of Shortbread cookies. NOT made in the USA, they are made in Scotland..ingredients: Wheat Flour, butter, sugar and salt!!! Thats it..no 'unknown' ingredients, no fake flavorings, just 4 real ingredients. Walkers Short Bread, you can even buy them at Walgreens. I know, we should not eat cookies..but who doesn't want something 'we shouldn't' eat once in a while. Well, if you are in the mood for a store bought item..they are delicious. The butter flavor is wonderful..and it will satisfy your sweet tooth.

Its the next best thing to baking.
Now..back to the salad..

Peace.

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» danish butter cookies too! Posted by: somegirl
It all started out with the WAR ON DRUGS bullshit and a RIGGED "market".
Posted by: maxpayne on Dec 10, 2007 6:27 AM   
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and then it worked its way up the ladder. For 70 years, the Left took the wrong path working with the "right" to allow a RIGGED market of petroleum-manufactured JUNK FOODS to dominate the food market all the while the healthy foods were lopsidedly pushed to the curb. Let's first work towards SHUTTING DOWN the phony "War on Drugs" and the corporatist rah-rah you hear on faux and cnbc and then work towards putting a healthy market first.

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Let's look into industrial dairying, too
Posted by: henderson on Dec 10, 2007 6:50 AM   
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Since A.J.Bos wants to put a 8,900 cow "dairy" very near here, I "googled" Three Mile Canyon in Oregon (which he "owns", along with 2 other dairys) and came up with some horrifying stuff; specifically this link from the Human Farming Association: http://www.hfa.org/campaigns/threemile

There is a link at the bottom of the page which is a PDF file to get the actual pictures of abuse to the dairy cows and calves. (I couldn't copy that link to paste, for some reason.)

Three Mile canyon houses close to 45,000 animals, with about 150 workers milking about 19,500 cows around the clock. There isn't TIME to treat these poor animals as other than machines. The cows are kept constantly pregnant, in order to keep them milking, and their calves, especially the males, are usually shot or left to starve to death. Cows, after giving birth, are immediately put into milking production, often with the afterbirth still hanging from them, and blood and pus mixed into the milk because of mastitis (unsanitary conditions). Three Mile Canyon believes that because they distribute such a large amount of milk, a little mastitis blood and pus won't hurt when it's mixed in.

This milk is found all across the nation in milk and cheeses you buy in supermarkets.

Some of the other articles from Google include glowing reports of how "green" that "farm" is, because he beds the cows on "compost" that he makes, but included in that "compost" is the bones and remains of the cows that die! He grinds them up, no matter what they die from, and uses that for the cows bedding!

Also, the farm uses tremendous amounts of water to "flush" the manure and urine from the barns, and he wants accolades for "recycling" the water. The workers have a different story: The "recycled" water just has the solids taken out, and it is used again and again so that it can't even be called "water" anymore - it's just black liquid full of urine and blood that's flushed back through the barns, splashing on the cows.

There's much, much more, but that gives you an idea of the "milk" that you're giving your kids. God help us all!

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» I believe sent 2005/2006 Posted by: henderson
Nobody cares
Posted by: snowhound on Dec 10, 2007 6:59 AM   
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I live in NJ. I have access to local farms that produce pasured raised livestock and hens that produce farm frsh eggs. Another farm (in PA)produces raw milk from grass fed Jersey cows. We make our own keifer from the raw milk. During the growing season, we belong to a local farm co-op that supplies our family with a huge variety of organic vegetables and berries. We are a middle class family with one salary. My wife stays home to take care of our baby. The problem is that people are ignorant and/or just lazy. Either Food is not their priority in life or they just don't really understand the difference between real food and mass produed food. Another big problem is our federal government. They subsidize the big crop producers with our tax dollars. Why should these big agri-businesses receive billions of dollars to grow this GM food?? When people start caring, things will change. Unfortunately, most of us care more about our tv's and cell phones then we do about the future health of our children.

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» RE: Nobody cares Posted by: Pau
» RE: Nobody cares Posted by: nochicagoboys
» RE: Nobody cares Posted by: Cathyc
Whole Foods Imports Broccoli from China under 365 Organic Label
Posted by: stina723 on Dec 10, 2007 7:39 AM   
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I stopped shopping at Whole Foods when I purchased a package of 365 Organic Broccoli and was reading the package. It said PRODUCT OF CHINA. I sent Whole Foods an angry email, even copying & pasting some of the PR b/s on their website about selling food that grows right outside your door. Last time I looked, China was not outside my door. If I had some extra disposable income, I would have taken that broccoli to a lab and had it analyzed for chemical/herbicide/pesticide residues. Whole Foods took about a week to reply to me, and when they did, they assured me their buyers actually go to the farm in China....not only are they ripping people off by importing food from China, but also patronizing to their customers, thinking that I will believe their ridiculous story. (well now ex-customer). I shop at the local farmers market. Also, I suspect WF sprays all fresh produce w/ preservatives. I had some greens from there, a week later I opened up the container, it smelled like rotten eggs. I suspect sulfur-based preservatives. The stuff from the local market never smells like rotten eggs and stays fresh for about 7 days.

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A modest proposal
Posted by: brunowe on Dec 10, 2007 8:24 AM   
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We need to embrace the junk. Preservatives, pesticides, antibiotics, all of it. Those of us who survive will pass a tolerance for it onto future generations. By the time the planet becomes uninhabitable for normal humans, we will have evolved into a life-form that is capable of metabolizing plastic, etc...!

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» Plastic people Posted by: Cathyc
Grow Your Own.
Posted by: Donald Shank on Dec 10, 2007 8:48 AM   
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One part of the solution is to grow your own organic food. Not everybody has a farm, but those suburbs that have spread over our farmland for the last half century have houses with lawns (talk about bad monoculture) that can easily be converted to gardens.
Growing your own organic food reduces costs (investing labor instead of cash), lowers your carbon footprint (no transportation needed), improves taste (I never knew a tomato could taste so good!) and benefits the environment by reducing stormwater runoff and providing for wildlife (birds and other critters should be a part of your garden plan, if possible). Even if you can't grow all the food your family needs, you can at least suppliment your diet and budget.
It's also important to support local farmers and markets. Shopping at the local green grocer, bakery and butcher shop takes more time, but the food is better, the money stays closer to home and your voice matters more to someone who knows your face and name.
Education is needed too. Make sure your friends and family know the benefits of local, seasonal organic foor to their health, community, environment, taste buds and...call it soul, spirit, karma or piece of mind, the intangible but real benefit of connecting with the earth and the seasons.

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» RE: Grow Your Own. Posted by: dmmaze6
» RE: Grow Your Own. Posted by: Pau
Typos
Posted by: Donald Shank on Dec 10, 2007 9:01 AM   
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Guess I should've previewed before posting...
"foor" should be food, and "piece of mind" should be Peace of mind...

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Food in health food stores is bastardized
Posted by: wireup on Dec 10, 2007 9:04 AM   
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I owned a natural food store for 8 years - for most of the 1980s, a time I think of as the GOLDEN AGE OF NATURAL FOODS - now, sadly, no more.

Why do I say this?

Because in the 1980s I could fill a 1200 square foot store, wall to wall, ceiling to floor, with FOOD, folks, i.e. FOOD that had no sugar, no white flour, no chemicals, no caffeine - REAL FOOD.

Now, I walk into Whole Foods or any other health food store and what do I find? The same companies whose food stocked the shelves of my store have been bought up by multinationals and the food has been bastardized. Don't believe me? READ THE LABELS, FOLKS! You'll find sugar, white flour, and other undesirable ingredients.

When I first started to notice the change I would call the companies and question them in detail. Then I would find out that the company, which originally started out as a small mom-and-pop, had been sold after it proved its worth, after it started bringing in millions of $ every year. Then the food "industry" took notice.

When natural foods couldn't be killed from the outside by propaganda and slander, multinationals destroyed it from the inside by buying up companies and bastardizing the products.

Look at the labels, look at the packaging - there is almost no difference any more between what you buy in the health food store and what you buy in the supermarket. Two heads of the same beast.

I contacted the trade association for the natural food industry and asked why they didn't do anything about this. I was told that they can't tell companies what to produce. So, apparently, they don't care enough to set standards. Like the rest of American business, all they care about is the almighty bottom line.

The whole situation sickens more thoroughly. And there is no solution. All you can do is open your eyes and shop as carefully and wisely as you can. When I first started in natural foods, I started as a consumer concerned with the multiple health problems. By changing my diet and opening my eyes I was able to solve my problems over 30+ years. Now I have to go back to making everything myself. I'm older and it's harder but what choice is there?

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E.coli
Posted by: grn1 on Dec 10, 2007 9:07 AM   
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And how did the E. coli get into the spinach? You ask? No defenseless vegetables had anything to do with E.coli 0157-H7. The culprit is and always has been related to steer manure. When the spinach outbreak occurred all the mainstream media showed us were bags of ORGANIC spinach being pulled from the shelves. There were no cases of organic spinach causing contamination. Adding more to the confusion of the viewer who thinks this contamination is showing up in all sorts of food products. In the advent of genetic engineering, scientist feared that E.coli could accidentally be made pathogenic, it has happened. Using human bacteria to engineer animals, plants and vaccines. ((Reuters reports, By studying cells from volunteers eating different diets, they discovered that red meat raises the levels of compounds in the large bowel which can alter DNA and increase the likelihood of cancer.} 9 YEARS PRIOR {CBS News (AP) December 13,1999-The U.S. Agricultural Dept. on Friday approved irradiation of red meat as a way to curb food-borne illnesses, offering the industry another way to improve safety.} (Paragraph 4) {Irradiation is currently the only known method to eliminate completely a potentially deadly strain of E.coli bacteria in raw meat. (Paragreaph 5) Industry groups hailed the announcement as a new frontier for the food safety movement.)) I would have better served these facts in the correct timeline, we started irradiating beef products in the 90's to prevent pathogens in our food supply, it seems this has only masked the problem as beef industry will no longer be held accountable for epidemics of E.coli, and cannot be held accountable for increased cancer cases.
RELATED QUOTE OF THE WEEK:
"The alarming prevalence of the virulent E. coli 0157 in our food system is due to an animal industry allowed to raise cattle in stressful environments on unnatural diets. Allowing such practices to continue while burdening produce growers with the impossible task of sterilizing their farms is folly beyond belief."

Tom Willey, an organic vegetable producer with T & D Willey Farms in Madera, CA

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Bad food=Fat people
Posted by: ankhet on Dec 10, 2007 9:36 AM   
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Do you think the depleted soil, forced growth, chemical contamination, pestices, fungicides, chemical fertilizers bad agricultural practices, disgraceful animal abuse, long-distance shipping, chemical additives, indeterminate storage, irradiation, etc of the agribiz and monoculture practitioners are at the root of the fat epidemic? I think so!

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» RE: Bad food=Bad Fat people Posted by: seaseal
Cor"pirate" poison!
Posted by: williameon on Dec 10, 2007 10:22 AM   
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Why do they hate us so much?

That they poison us?
They have no respect!
Why do they have to Spy on, Torture and Terrorize us?
What are they so afraid of?
That they might be held accountable?
For the crimes they’ve committed?
They are wrong and know it.
What did we ever do to them?
We put the silver spoon in their mouth and now they hate us for it.
They eat gourmet food and all we eat poison:
Cor"pirate" Poison!
Hydrogenated Oil is a pesticide laden artery clogging poison.
High Fructose Corn Syrup is a fat producing poison.
Over refined bleached white is a cancer causing poison.
Factory red meat is a hormone laden, digestive track blocking poison.
Why is everybody sick?
Look at what they eat.
Look at what we eat.
We are all exposed to toxic pollutants in our Air, Food and Water.
King George the II has rescinded hundreds of pollution laws.
Why?
For money?
Doesn’t he have enough already?
Hasn’t he stolen enough?
Why does he have to steal our last crust of bread?
Because it is a game to him.
After all he is royalty, a direct descendant of The European Aristocracy.
It’s a disease.
GREED
And once you have it, you only want more.
Selfishness is evil and we must stop him from destroying us and the World.
Why are our children being force fed poisonous junk.
Kindergartens and supermarkets are full of FAT people.
Diabetes is rampant.
Where is the AMA when you need them?
The next time you see a super heavy weight at the local Poison Market
Look into their cart.
Avoid what’s in it like the plague,
It is full of poison.
Numerous Boxes of inedible garbage!
Eating the box would be healthier for you.
When it comes to food, less is more.
Look at the label.
Read the ingredients.
The longer the list the worst it is.
Go to a health food store.
By whole grains, stone ground flours, organic fresh fruits and vegetables.
Fresh is best.
The Corpirate system is terribly broken and
We are its victims!
It is a dead end street filled with death, incompetence and disseat.
Stop the experiment now before it is too late.
Why do they hate us so much?
It is a crime and
We are the victims.
We must break their stranglehold on our children.
Any system run by greed must fail; it is a negative human trait.
We must stop this travesty from continuing.
Stop the Endless War, sickness, suffering, torture and pain!
Life is too short to be ramrod-ed into accepting anything less.
Life is a gift, to be lived to the fullest.
Declare Corpirate Independence.
Cut the umbilical cord.
Invest in your our back yards and neighborhoods.
Let’s go GREEN.
It is the only way out.
Perfection, compassion, brotherly love, helpfulness, and peace are the Fruits of the Spirit.
Eat of them often.

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As
Posted by: Fat Man at the Buffet Line on Dec 10, 2007 10:22 AM   
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A small grower of vegetables and a little bit of livestock, I have to ask a big question.... How do you feed 300,000,000 people with out resorting to larger farms etc? Two acre plots are not going to feed 300,000,000 people. There are not enough people that are ballsy enough to try to make a living off of a small farm. It is a pretty tall order but it can be done. At this point in time that is what we have... If you want to continue to have small growers that concentrate on quality, then you have to pay the price. It costs a lot of money to produce high quality vegetables, and sometimes it is not enough to charge the prices we do..Usually it costs alot more...

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EVERYONE sells produce from CHINA
Posted by: miikamo on Dec 10, 2007 10:34 AM   
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you know those little bags of garlic- 4 or 5 heads of garlic in a bag, that you can get at the market? that garlic is from china. MOST garlic in the supermarket is from china.

Trader Joe's frozen "organic" vegetables are almost all from china- broccoli, spinach, you name it. as far as i'm concerned NOTHING that is shipped from the other side of the world is organic.

we are paying corporations to take away our health, our environment, and our food security. remember the thousands of pets that died from contaminated pet food? think it can't happen with people food? guess again.

go to the farmstand/farmers market when vegetables are in season, buy from local farmers, cut 'em up and freeze them yourself in recycled plastic bags. it's not hard- it might take a tiny bit of work but you are supporting your local farmers, your food security, and saving a HUGE amount of energy.

your freezer runs most efficiently when it is full- fill it and refill with whatever is in season, when it is in season.

your money will go into the pockets of your neighbors, not the huge multinationals and their stockholders. and then it will stay in your community, helping all kinds of local businesses, your schools, etc.

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Turning Lemonade into Local, Clean, and Sustainable Lemons
Posted by: reevolve on Dec 10, 2007 10:35 AM   
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Haven't we become a little too comfortable as a society when we start to complain that our food has become too plentiful, too varied and too inexpensive?

I love food as much as the next guy (probably more) but the priorities of this article seem to be a bit out of whack. Most people do not have so much disposable income that they can afford to pay twice as much for marginally better food without without it having an impact on their quality of life. Personally, I love buying art from local artists. That seems a much better use of my money than buying produce from local farmers.

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6,500,000,000 Humans in the World
Posted by: harlan8 on Dec 10, 2007 10:54 AM   
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I agree, however, if it were not for food production practices he derides there would not have been the population growth we have had over the past 250 years. And now that we have 6.5 billion people, they all need to be fed. One cannot be sympathetic to starving people in the world and condemn corporate farming.

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» you have it backwards- Posted by: WitchyNy
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Reminder: viruses are not susceptible to antibiotics
Posted by: quahog on Dec 10, 2007 11:08 AM   
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Regarding the statement in the piece: "it seems quite clear that even people who only eat antibiotic-free meats will find their medicine useless, as a mutated virus will resist antibiotic treatment regardless of what kind of meat was eaten."

Do not confuse bacteria with viruses. Bacteria are susceptible to antibiotics; antibiotics are used to kill bacteria, and resistance to antibiotics can develop among bacteria. Viruses simply are not sensitive to antibiotics, therefore the use of antibiotics has no effect on viruses. This is why taking antibiotics for a viral infection (such as the common cold) is useless. Just a friendly reminder that bacteria and viruses are not the same.

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Get a Goat-
Posted by: WitchyNy on Dec 10, 2007 11:54 AM   
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I have been saying it and saying it-get a goat, goat milk and cheese, get some chickens, eggs and bug eating-for your own organic vegetable garden.
Growing your own food is the most radical thing you can do-there is NO profit for the rich!~

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Interestingly, it is socialistic policies that have destroyed the food we eat
Posted by: Bobsays on Dec 10, 2007 12:26 PM   
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This article rightly points out it was the socialistic war economy of WWII, and the New Deal socialistic policies of the 1950s onwards (where farmers were heavily subsidised) that has totally destroyed tasty food. That is the interesting thing to consider. It isn't actually capitalistic corporatism, but socialistic corporatism dressed up as capitalism.

The same food disasters were inflicted on people in the Soviet Union and Mao's China with the same results (only more mass starvation thrown in).

You see the same damage in the UK where the people's taste buds were A-bombed by tinned foods and the misery-is-dining approach unique to the British.

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Okay, Now THIS Is What I'm Talking About, or The Story of the Woman Who Cried Over Spilt Goat Milk
Posted by: grumble-bum on Dec 10, 2007 3:21 PM   
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Whodathunkit, Alternet's pulled out an honest, ground-level examination of the complex food problem.

Sometimes I look around the natural foods store where I work & shake my head in dismay. While a high number of the foods are from local, small-scale concerns, for the most part we seem to have been suckered into the same mass/uniform mentality of a "normal" grocery store. This is partly a survival reaction to the threat of the Whole Foods of the world, but also a sad reflection of the muddled thinking of many of our suppliers & customers. The author really nails it when bemoaning that we are a nation of "organic" corn-syrup eaters.

The fact is that we are going to have to make some radical changes in order to get things back in balance again. Whether the first world initiates them, or is forced into them by general collapse, remains to be seen. But they will come.

One thing we can do now is stop shopping at the big-box "natural" stores altogether. Such places are fraudulent, & the fact that people are only now putting two & two together astounds me. Instead, start seeing how much of your food budget can be applied at your local co-op or small-scale natural market- You may be surprised at how affordable such places can be if adjustments are made in what you "need" (e.g., perhaps bulk granola instead of organic pop-tarts?!?). I make about 20 grand a year (as a single person household), & I eat quite well. This includes so-called "expensive" items such as grass-fed local beef & organic local produce. Granted, it becomes more challenging with larger families, but my family was never more than lower-middle class when I grew up, & we supplied the majority of our food from co-ops & buying clubs. It can be done.

That said, the author's choice of focusing on class & distribution issues is dead-on. Until we as a nation get our collective heads out of our asses, these problems of scale will continue to spiral out of our control (& even comprehension). This instant-gratification mentality is killing both us & our fellow Humans in the rest of the world.

I'll close with a story that, to me, demonstrates the fundamentally broken thinking that we have seemingly been ingrained with.

A while back, a woman came into my co-op & demanded to know where our goat's milk was. When informed that we weren't able to keep it in stock at all times, she became very upset. With a voice shaky with tears she threatened to shop exclusively at Whole Foods, as they had no problem carrying it in mass quantities (She couldn't seem to grasp that this was one reason we weren't able to reliably stock it). Concerned, we asked why it was so important that she get goat milk. Did she need it because she couldn't tolerate cow milk? Did she make her own artisan cheese? We were mystified at her dramatic distress.

Turns out she had to have it solely to put in her tea. & for absolutely no other purpose.

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Preachin to the choir
Posted by: thelostsailor on Dec 10, 2007 3:33 PM   
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I hear you. All valid angles, albeit repeated a few times. But your readership most likely feels much like you do and so you're reaching those who've already gotten the memo. Further, your article offers no wisdom of how to change the messed up system of today, but instead ends with pessimism. I feel exactly like you do, but we need answers on how to get support for the local, sustainable farmer across the board. The government needs to play a big role, but the public gets what they want, unfortunately, and they don't give a damn.
The reality is the vast majority of the country just doesn't care where their food comes from, or what they eat for that matter, just as long as they can fill up the SUV and pay the cable TV bill.

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Thanks for publishing an article about diet without the vegetarian dogma.
Posted by: Illiteratilumen on Dec 10, 2007 3:51 PM   
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Finally Alternet gets around to publishing an article about diet without all the crap about how vegetarianism is the only way to live. There are plenty of holes in the arguments presented by the author but I'm not here to comment on those.

Thanks Alternet.

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People are lazy. m.
Posted by: lwbaby on Dec 10, 2007 8:22 PM   
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It is incredibly easy to make foods like bread and broth but it takes time and too many people don't want to put forth the effort. Too many people either just buy take-out or plunk a roast and some overly processed soup into the crockpot and call it dinner. No one actually cooks anymore.

Take a roasting chicken for example, roast it for the initial meal them use the leftofers for sandwiches and then make stock and soup out of the carcass. No one bothers anymore. We are all too busy working our brains out trying to make more money to keep up appearances.

We are what we eat, indeed.

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» RE: People are lazy. m. Posted by: macdon1
It is a matter of caring and discrimination.
Posted by: wisegalah on Dec 10, 2007 9:30 PM   
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Who was it that said, "No-one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the great American people."?

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If you think it's bad now ...
Posted by: TheLimit on Dec 10, 2007 10:13 PM   
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Wait til the Feds get NAIS implemented.

NAIS will wipe out the few small, high quality, pastured meat, dairy and egg producers we have left. It requires all animals be chipped - among other things. The catch is that feedlot, factory and battery producers will be able to 'batch id' their stock - groups which are moved together from birth to slaughter without encountering other groups - so will pay only a fraction of the cost to the traditional method farmer whose stock varies as to age and sometimes even to species, if he raises a little beef, some pork, some eggs. For him, each animal and bird must be chipped separately.

There are other things wrong with this program, but that's the obvious one. If you want to know more, the most comprehensive source of information, including links to sometimes elusive government documents themselves, you should go to NoNais and do a little reading.

And don't feel smug if you are a vegan; there are plans on the horizon to implement a similar program for grain and vegetables which would accomplish the same thing for non-animal food.

We do need to take back our food production. What we have now is incredibly destructive of the land as well as our health.

Please, do some research on the food supply. You may regret it in the short term - it's not a pretty picture - but in the long term it will pay off.

If there is a long-term, of course.

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They don't want it - if it ain't store-bought.
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Dec 10, 2007 10:23 PM   
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It is a really, to me anyway, weird phenomenon. People,
especially city people, won't eat it if you picked it while walking
through the woods or in a park. An amazing amount of food is
never picked in this country, the US. They seem to think it may
have been poisoned somehow. Never mind that nobody had any
motive to spray it with anything. A lot of fruit grows wild all
over the country: apples, blackberries, raspberries, huckleberries,
and so on. Does anybody have a clue why they don't want it if it
ain't store-bought?

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» "Brain-washing" Posted by: henderson
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PLEASE GAMMA-RAY MY RASPBERRIES and lettuce and spinach
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Dec 10, 2007 11:06 PM   
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Gamma rays would kill the germs in spinach and lettuce as well as the mold in
raspberries.. The do