Home
Archive
Columnists
Video
Blogs
Discuss
About
Search
Donate
Advertise
100 words for 100 days: submit your 100 word essay and get published on AlterNet
Advertisement
Advertisement
Advertisement
Advertisement
Advertisement
  • AlterNetYour turn

Support AlterNet
Do you value the information you're getting from AlterNet? Please show your support with a tax-deductible donation.


Feedback
Tell us how we're doing.

Advertisement
Advertisement

'Beowulf': War Porn Wrapped in a Chippendale Dancer's Body

By Alexander Zaitchik, AlterNet. Posted November 27, 2007.


The new 'Beowulf' flick combines a bizarre mix of homoerotic imagery, locker room machismo and total carnage.
Advertisement

When Zack Snyder's 300 hit theaters in March, critics flagged the eerie timing of the legendary Greeks vs. Persians battle splashing across big screens just as the White House was ratcheting up its war of words against Tehran. Slate magazine's Dana Stevens spoke for many when she called the film "a textbook example of how race-baiting fantasy and nationalist myth can serve as an incitement to war."

The accusation stung the filmmakers and terrified Warner Brothers, which did everything it could to discourage political readings of the film. But could the studios blame anyone for wondering if a comic book-inspired historical fantasy was being employed as part of a coordinated propaganda campaign? Hollywood showed its willingness to participate in post-9/11 myth making with films like Flight 93.

So it's not much of a leap to project current events (and fears) onto screens showing director Robert Zemeckis' adaptation of the Old English epic poem Beowulf. Like 300, Beowulf is an animated gore-fiesta that should have 15-year-olds around the country screaming for a sword and a trip to the nearest Blackwater recruitment office.

Beowulf, played by Ray Winstone, arrives in Denmark not as a king, but as a famed mercenary. Like today's Pentagon-contracted security firms, he claims not to be interested solely in money, yet heartily indulges in the king's munificence. The mercenary-hero proceeds to do battle with three monsters -- a sort of Axis of Medieval.

The three beasts in the film in fact line up pretty well as stand-ins for Iraq, North Korea and Iran. Beowulf slays the first beast (Grendel/Iraq) easy enough, but he loses his soul in the process and becomes prisoner to the battle's legacy. Because of the second beast's potent demon powers, Beowulf decides not to slay it at all (Grendel's mother/North Korea). The third monster is the biggest (Iran/the Dragon), and when Beowulf finally gets around to charging its cave, the battle ends in their mutual death and the destruction of the citadel.

Beowulf's heroic but tragic end, like that of King Leonidas in 300, makes it hard to fit the story into a neat neocon narrative. Both men fail, while the war party in the United States seeks total victory -- "an end to evil," in the words of Richard Perle. The film takes an even sharper turn away from gung-ho militarism when Beowulf turns and sees that his final enemy is not so monstrous at all. Alas, the dragon is just a man in his own image.

Beowulf, Chippendale warrior?

Beowulf is both politically and sexually unsure of itself. Like 300, this CGI-enabled parable drenches its young-male target audience in PG-13 homoerotica. Star Ray Winstone's rippled abs and marble pecs dominate many scenes, and the script is a steamy bathhouse of macho staring contests, ribald jokes and tender but tense moments between friends-to-the-death. The undercurrent of gay sexual tension is so loud and proud that it's hard to see how anyone could deny it. Yet a Gaylinkcontent.com critic writes that the film is not exactly homoerotic because "the shame in the film is not homosexuality, but the low sexual willpower of the male heroes."

But what does shame have to do with anything? Beowulf revels in the beefcake torso of its male star, whose flesh gets more screen time than that of his female co-star, Angelina Jolie. Even Anthony Hopkins' King Hrothgar gets a gratuitous ass shot in the first scene.


Digg!

See more stories tagged with: beowulf, homoerotic, anti-christian

Alexander Zaitchik is a writer and editor for the eXile.

Liked this story? Get top stories in your inbox each week from AlterNet! Sign up now »

Advertisement
Advertisement

 

Comments Turn comments off sitewide Give us feedback »
Comments closed.
The comments for this story have been closed. Thank you to everyone who participated.
View:
Everything is not a metaphor for what's on your mind
Posted by: YogiBear on Nov 27, 2007 12:26 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
The three beasts in the film in fact line up pretty well as stand-ins for Iraq, North Korea, and Iran.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't there three monsters in the original tale? I guess the 11th century author must have somehow been on the Bush family payroll, eh?

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» Static Posted by: YogiBear
ummmm....no.
Posted by: Eat Politicians on Nov 27, 2007 12:52 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
wtf?

There are so many films with so much patriotic fluff or clearly established homoerotic content, why do you feel the need to stretch the metaphor to the breakpoint for these two movies? Sure both those movies suck, but that is kind of beside the point.

Find a new hobby that isn't writing...

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» RE: wtf indeed Posted by: Techubus
homework
Posted by: truecascadian on Nov 27, 2007 2:15 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
ok, so maybe it's understandable as the focus of this article is not on the nuts and bolts of film production but "Like 300, Beowulf is a motion-capture animation gore-fiesta"? c'mon.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Neocon Porn
Posted by: AlexLawyer on Nov 27, 2007 2:21 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
It reminds me of when George Bush strutted around the USS Abraham Lincoln in a flight suit with a heavily padded jock strap designed by Karl Rove. And then there's our Vice President, who is called Dick because he has a head with no brain and no hair, screws everyone he can and is supported by a Bush.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» RE: Neocon Porn Posted by: bomec
Are there editors at Alternet?
Posted by: dmaddox on Nov 27, 2007 3:21 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
"Beowulf's heroic but tragic end, like that of King Leonidas in 300, makes it hard to fit the story into a neat neocon narrative."

It may be difficult, but your reviewer is willing to give it the old college try. Every aspect of this review is stretched so far that it becomes ridiculous.

Not only are the supposed political undertones of the movie tenuous at best, the supposition that a monolithic "Hollywood" has been coopted by the Pentagon to help with the war effort is likewise ridiculous. Are we supposed to forget "Redacted" and "Lions for Lambs"? (Actually, most people ARE trying to forget those movies.)

AlterNet usually offers a rational alternative perspective for those of us interested in understanding our political opponents. No one is served by such juvenile tripe as is offered by this review.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» Unintentionally Gay Duo Posted by: MThomson
Overexaming
Posted by: masterjc on Nov 27, 2007 4:37 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Gone amock. There is no political overtones in Beuwolf or 300. I've seen both movies and all it's all simple mindless fun, and thats it. Stop trying to look for metaphors in movies that don't have any. And Beuwolf is based on a tale written hundreds of years ago, and 300 is based on something that supposedly happened thousands of years ago. I don't think any of those people where thinking of Bush when they wrote them.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» RE: Overexaming Posted by: jroth420
» RE: Overexaming Posted by: Thetorganization
» RE: Overexaming Posted by: JOHN L.
» RE: Overexaming Posted by: summerhill
So goes Hollywood
Posted by: talkville on Nov 27, 2007 5:20 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
As with Mega Churches and Prosperity Groups, Hollywood too has entertained new players in the production and distribution business.

The Pater Familias is back; the Clan is back; the Warlord is back. The Tribe is back. Fully digital and computer enhanced for the masses. Grand Blanks to fill in for those who are asked: what do you want to be when you grow up? Who are all these grand embody-ments of Masculine or Feminine Power?

Seductive, all these Conans and Xenas and Beowoulfs and such -- Eros Incarnate! Power and Desire in the Flesh. And the Moulds are so perfectly and endlessly fill-able.

"A Working Class Hero is Something to Be" -- J Lennon. Not so much in Hollywood; there the Warlords of Industry are engaged in bloody struggle to 'elevate' and 'entertain' the National and Global Culture into Heroes all. Just what is needed in these Enlightened and Sophisticated times of ours. Just around the corner is that Hero who will Save Us All from the Pulpit of the White House. A Leader of all Leaders: Beowulf or Xena Agonisto!

Besides, the movie will probably do well and be profitable and prosperous at the box office. Who could possibly object to that? It's the American Way, the Tao of USA. Heroes and exemplars of old are so much better now; they can be Produced and Manufactured at Will. All Hail, New and Improved Caesar!! "Mercy, Mercy Mercy" - the Bopper.

Enjoy the Movie. There's Concessions at the Stand too!

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» RE: So goes Hollywood Posted by: El Hombre Malo
» RE: So goes Hollywood Posted by: talkville
» RE: So goes Hollywood Posted by: screwjack2000
» RE: So goes Hollywood Posted by: talkville
Yeah, I didn't think it to be possible...
Posted by: Scientz on Nov 27, 2007 5:26 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
...but this review is actually dumber than the one for 300.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar
Posted by: lepidopteryx on Nov 27, 2007 5:32 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Maybe it's just a really bad CGI-enhanced movie version of an epic poem. Maybe that's ALL it is. The really scary part of it is that this is the ONLY exposure some people will ever have to the legend of Beowulf. One can only hope that perhaps some of the folks who have never heard of Beowulf before the movie will actually READ it after seeing it.
I've lost track of the number of times I've commented on a movie by saying that I liked the book better, only to have someone respond, "There's a BOOK?"

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Overassumptions, tainted analogies and bad research...
Posted by: El Hombre Malo on Nov 27, 2007 5:48 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Since I mostly agree with the comments left before mine, I will just make some precissions;

-Beowulf is as much a mercenary as The Pied Piper of Hamelin or many other medieval folk heroes. To awnser the plea of someone in distress and upon success receiving a reward, may it be gold, a princess hand or a token of heroicy, does not make you a mercenary but an adventurer.

-The three monsters Beowulf fight are, as someone noted, the classical story ones. But even so, they are less monstruous than simbolic. Obviously the critic wasnt paying much attention to the film since he failed to notice that the "man behind the monster" Beowulf contemplate as he is dying in the beach is actually his own son. It gives a whole different meaning to that scene, and any interpretation that doesnt aknowledges this is crippled.

-What the critic labels as homoeroticism, a less obsessed beholder would call "nude male body". And yes, there are subtext and insinuations flying all over the room, but these are sexual ones, the orientation for the beholder to pick. Beowulf is a braggart, a self enamorated adventurer who disrobes to taunt the Queen (and because vikings were actually very natural about nudity). Obviously the writer felt unconfortable watching a group of pixels resembling a male nude body, sans genitalia.

The Song of Beowulf is a classic in both english literature and in the scandinavian world. The film version is far from perfect but is pretty faithful to the original, and where it is not, it is respectful and coherent. Technically and in terms of production design, I think it would have needed a grittier aproach but thats more a matter of taste.

But where it succeeds is in its depiction of beowulf personality Rather than elaborate on the adventures of the hero it tries to deconstruct its psyche, giving us a "man behind the hero" perspective while also describing how myths are born. That kind of revisitation of folklore is a frequent theme in Neil Gaiman's work.

But hey, maybe I am wrong...

... and Anthony Hopkins drunken digital fat ass is an overt intivation to steamy gay sex.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

what is this writer's problem?
Posted by: somegirl on Nov 27, 2007 6:00 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
the headline made me think that the critique would show the movie as glorifying war for the masses, as i'm always looking for these signs. i was curious about this, because i really can't imagine the fabulous graphic/novelist neil gaiman (who co-wrote the screenplay) would do such a thing, though i don't put it past hollywood to bastardize his work beyone recognition.

what i find instead is almost the exact opposite, and nothing that i find politically offensive. i actually would like to see this movie, as i'm not above some beefcake action, but i'm afraid my poor brain won't be able to take the special effects...i'll wait till it's on cable when i can bear it on the small screen, as i do with most movies.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

I hear they have it in 3-D!
Posted by: Illiteratilumen on Nov 27, 2007 6:09 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I think that would be pretty cool. Its too bad that I will become a homosexual Bush supporter after I see it.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Oh puleeeeze!
Posted by: lydia cypher on Nov 27, 2007 6:12 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I saw Beowulf two days ago and my biggest critique of the film is: BORING! I laughed the first time I saw the computer animated transformation of Grendel from a pitiful, misshapen creature to an explosion of vicious fury - sorry, it just seemed so silly! The whole thing was so overblown ridiculous that it just didn't work on me. I literally fell asleep numerous times throughout the film. What's worse for Beowulf was that my boyfriend and I had just watched a truly charming independent film with a very human story, Big Night, at home the night before. Beowulf falls flat because it simply fails to make us care a whit about any of the characters. Man aganst mythical monster is an ancient foil, but it takes more than money and technology to bring a story to life. This reviewer is stretching the political metaphor theory to the breaking point, trying to make something out of nothing. I'd have to say that point of view is akin to looking for Commies under the bed. I didn't buy it as a kid and I ain't buying it now.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» RE: Oh puleeeeze! Posted by: When In Doubt
bart simpson bars opening soon.
Posted by: Declan on Nov 27, 2007 6:16 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
All I could think while watching the naked fight scene in the movie was that it was funnily reminiscent of Bart's skate board ride through Springfield. I had no idea that both of these scenes were inserted to excite the gay audience. Will "The Mead Hall" gay franchise open and compete with the "Bart Simpson's Little Bar" franchises that are no doubt about to spring up everywhere? And what about a nude Angelina Jolie? Was she picked to appeal to the lesbians in the audience? If so perhaps she should have emerged from the water wearing a flannel shirt and sensible shoes.
As for the other interpretations, they are even more ridiculous. I'm laughing too hard to even comment.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Typical cultural criticism
Posted by: Jbuuty on Nov 27, 2007 6:39 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I almost enjoying reading the comments more than the article. The article is simply typical cultural criticism: it depends quite a bit on the subjective experience of the critic. It looks for hidden meanings, which are sometimes truly there, and at other times completely absent. It does provide some insight, while often exaggerating the critics major positions.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

beowolf was amazing in 3-D
Posted by: veggiegrrrl on Nov 27, 2007 6:45 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
beowolf was amazing in 3-D. i can imagine it would be boring in 2-D though. but if you get a chance to watch it in 3-D, it's pretty amazing. just focus on the effects and don't worry about the story.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Anybody else notice that the headline doesn't actually describe what this article is about?
Posted by: Incertus (Bradley) on Nov 27, 2007 6:49 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I don't have a problem with anything in this article per se-- although I think anyone entertaining the notion that this movie could possibly be construed as being pro-war is really reaching. At the movie's beginning, Beowulf is a lying braggart looking for adventure. By the movie's end, Beowulf's simple-minded quest for "glory" has cost him his kingdom, his marriage, and his life. In fact, it's stated explicitly that the myth that will come bears no relation to the man being depicted in this narrative-- there's nothing particularly heroic about a guy who goes looking for a fight, then scrambles to survive when the chickens come home to roost.

But the odd thing is, I think this reviewer gets that-- hence the article's conclusion. So please, someone tell me why the editors at AlterNet decided to give this article a headline that suggests that it's arguing the exact opposite of its stated conclusion.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

"Movie goer"
Posted by: Joekanan on Nov 27, 2007 6:56 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
It's a movie, an animated film, loosely based on the story of Beowulf.
That's it. Nothing else.
Just because you are intelligent and CAN write doesn't always mean that you should.
Worry not, there are probably no monsters under your bed either.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» RE: "Movie goer" Posted by: talkville
ray winstones rippled abs?
Posted by: kelt65 on Nov 27, 2007 6:58 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Are we thinking of the same Ray Winstone? the last film I saw him in he was obese (Sexy Beast) Not exactly what I have in mind when you say homoerotic. Neither is Anthony Hopkins. I think I'll pass on this one ...

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

You know, folks, this "review" could be a satire
Posted by: sausage on Nov 27, 2007 7:24 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I've been cudgeling my brains for days to find something I read once, saying in effect that a sure sign of a civilization's impending collapse is the reading public's inability to recognize irony, sarcasm and/or satire.

For some reason I think that Morris Berman penned the line in question but I'm unable to pin it down!

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Get A Life
Posted by: ilene on Nov 27, 2007 7:27 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Oh for god's sake!!! Why are you wasting your time writing this crap. Sometimes a movie is just a shitty movie.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» RE: Get A Life Posted by: summerhill
Now I gotta see it
Posted by: alphakat on Nov 27, 2007 7:29 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I hadn't planned on seeing this movie but now that I know there are rippled abs and gratuitous ass shots I'm all in. Homoerotic or not, women movie-goers get shortchanged on male nudity. :)

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

A Ray Winstone gay trivia note--"Scum" (1979)
Posted by: zooeyhall on Nov 27, 2007 7:51 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Just a curious gay trivia note about Ray Winstone: back in 1979 there was a British film called "Scum". It was about a British reformatory and Winstone was the star. In that film, he plays a guy who takes on a gay lover while in the reformatory.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

reading myth
Posted by: wildeyes on Nov 27, 2007 7:52 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
like others, the reviewer's critique of beowulf seems a bit outlandish. perhaps rather than asking: what can we criticize in the film? where can we find propaganda? we should ask: what can we learn?

beowulf is a myth and it follows a pretty regular mythic pattern. there are lessons to be learned and though the movie modifies the story, it still keeps the mythic sense of things intact.

beowulf arrives to the kingdom, which is plagued by both a monster (grendel) and a corrupt, drunken king. he does battle with grendel and kills it and goes to grendel's mother where he fathers a child for grendel's mother. he returns to the kingdom and learns that grendel was actually the child of the king and the monster-mother. now beowulf has done the same thing and becomes king... and again, a monster comes.

grendel is a manifestation of the first king's shame, and likewise the dragon is a manifestation of beowulf's shameful behavior. this is classic stuff: if the king is corrupt, the kingdom is in peril.

remember the first scene in Oedipus the King. The city is in trouble. There is disease in the plants and cattle, there is trouble for women in childbirth, and people are suffering and dying. As the story continues, Oedipus learns that he has married his mother. It is this incestuous relationship by the king that has tarnished the city.

even at the end of beowulf, there's some sense that maybe beowulf's best friend who is now king will succumb to the same fate as the previous two kings -- a temptation for both gold, glory, and women. through these he will sire destruction for the kingdom.

if every king goes through this fate, we could say: ah-ha. this king business is eternally damned. let's throw off this notion that if we just get the right one as king, then things we'll be ok. we could give an anarchist reading to it pretty quickly...

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Rorschach
Posted by: screwjack2000 on Nov 27, 2007 7:55 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Each time I visit this site I am forced to take it less and less seriously. Every legitmiate criticism of the left/liberal/progressive ideology is consistantly on parade here, and it is just plain embarrassing. Articles written by unthinking people not interested truth of any kind, but who only choose to see the world through the filter of their pet obsessions. Talk about becoming what you hate. You guys are getting just as bad as the rightwing nutjobs. I know its trite, but sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

The purpose of nudity?
Posted by: justAnEgg on Nov 27, 2007 8:28 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
It's obvious and simple: we must strip ourselves off of every and any burden in order to face our demons successfully. No (homo)sexuality there whatsoever, the whole movie revolves around creating and facing our demons. Americans are obsessed...

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Author doesn't even begin to tell the whole story
Posted by: Drclaw on Nov 27, 2007 8:39 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
..so I went and saw this movie, and I surreptiously taped the whole thing on my cam-corder, downloaded it to my computer and went frame by frame. OMG!! There were subliminal messages in all the good good parts (Vote for Mitt! Craig is not gay! Edwards is a fag!) plus all the usual stuff to get me to buy icky popcorn etc. Good thing I had my anti-mind control foil hat on!!

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

ON HOMOEROTICA
Posted by: Ipsi Dixit on Nov 27, 2007 9:11 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I think that the author's apparent obsession with the suppossedly 'homoerotic' aspects of the film (real or imagined) stands more as comment on his (and our own) moral sensibilities than anything else and the Western world's squemishness on the subject.

Ask yourself the rhetorical question: if the script had called for a lot of child nudity would it have been called 'pedoerotic'? And what would this have said about ourselves (if anything)? Could such a film even be made?

It is all in the eyes of the beholder.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» Could it be Done? Posted by: Setnakt
Beowulf Predates Bush by Several Hundred Years
Posted by: Kym525 on Nov 27, 2007 9:35 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
THIS is the kind of nonsense that make us real and thoughtful liberals look like paranoid idiots. Isn't it totally hypocritical that we deride the far-right wack-jobs over their alarmist reactions to Harry Potter and now The Golden Compass, when right here in black and white, we're doing the same thing. For Goddess sake, man, can't a movie just be a movie without always having to have some sort of 'agenda'?

I read Beowulf in high school (both as an assignment and for fun) and frankly enjoyed the film (as I also enjoyed 300--based on a historical even that also predates Bush by a few thousand years--okay, I liked 300 because of all the beautiful man-flesh in leather speedos too). In both instances I sat enthralled and taken away to a mythical era where the tales and the heroes were larger than life, and for a few hours managed to forget about all the ugliness outside.

Thanks to the ridiculous overanalyzation of some failed film student, the ugliness has returned in spades. What's next to fall prey to your pseudo-liberal hyperbole--Santa Claus Conquers the Martians? Hmm, the Martians can be stand ins for fundamentalist Islamic terrorists...yes indeed, I can see it now.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Wow, I must have been asleep.
Posted by: Razst on Nov 27, 2007 10:19 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I am 100% gay living in a gay household. I thought the movie was a piss-poor adaptation of the original "Beowold." But neither I nor my friends noticed all the homoerotocism described by the author. In fact we all found it a big turn-off to find out that Ray Winstone was really nothing but an ugly, out-of-shape old fart embedded into a computer-enhanced shell.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

I think this is the message here
Posted by: darkhorse on Nov 27, 2007 12:03 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Beowulf's heroic but tragic end, like that of King Leonidas in 300, makes it hard to fit the story into a neat neocon narrative. Both men fail, while the war party in the United States seeks total victory --

I think it may be putting out the idea that it's heroic to lose your life even to a losing cause. It's the willingness to sacrifice your life and make yourself indistinguishable in the battlefield mush that will make you heroic in your own mind. Nevermind that everyone else thinks it's a stupid thing to do.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Thanks for saving me some money...
Posted by: snideelf on Nov 27, 2007 2:18 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
...I almost thought about going to see the movie.
I am sure the really big deal about this one is Jolie in 3D.
But I am going by what the writer here says and this movie must be as stupid as "The 300", another movie that was obviously hyped-up and I avoided.
Most of the Hollow Wood stuff coming out these days is pure unadulterated schlock anyway.

Happy movie going to all.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» RE: Just remember... Posted by: nightgaunt
This doesn't make sense
Posted by: longboardersurf on Nov 27, 2007 2:48 PM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Sometimes a movie is just a movie. This is one of those times. Beowulf is just a commercial film of an old epic. Someone who can read so much into it has too much time on their hands to forward their own agenda and too little inclination to look with an open mind and eyes. This was the type of article I expected to find on a conjob site.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

SO What??
Posted by: Scott on Nov 27, 2007 3:00 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Well we all know that like football, basketball, baseball, soccer and all those male sports that our boys indulge in, Beowulf is like them, a chance to see some good old ass grabbing and slapping and feel them up disgused as male comradeship...... so IT turns a few more of the str8 guys gay, so what?? The more the merrier I say!!

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

No real parallels here...
Posted by: 4sense on Nov 27, 2007 3:15 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Beowulf's heroic but tragic end, like that of King Leonidas in 300, makes it hard to fit the story into a neat neocon narrative.

...um...maybe that's because it isn't a neocon narrative and this review was just a silly waste time.

Look, it's not all that complex:

Bush contradicts himself by reducing freedom and civil liberties, and disregarding American values (he's supposed to be defending those) as a way of fighting those who purportedly hate American values and would like to take our liberties away.

King Leonidas saw freedom was in jeopardy and was 100% committed to freedom above all, and fought for it within Spartan Law. He didn't try to usurp power or create a new Sparta that wasn't no longer really Spartan (think Bush's continuous self contradictions).

If you don't like the blood and gore, it's fine if you don't want go to the movie. But "neocon narrative"? Please!

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Sounds good.
Posted by: daniel1982 on Nov 27, 2007 7:15 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
The new 'Beowulf' flick combines a bizarre mix of homoerotic imagery, locker room machismo and total carnage.

Ok I'm sold.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Americans love cok and bull
Posted by: Jim_ME_expert on Nov 27, 2007 8:09 PM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = exc