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Consumer-Driven Culture Is Killing Our Democracy

By Terrence McNally, AlterNet. Posted November 28, 2007.


Americans are split between wanting low prices and opposing the corporate behaviors that make them possible.
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Here's a quick quiz. Do you love bargains? Do you enjoy the power and convenience of shopping online for the best deals on electronics or travel or anything else? Do you favor cutthroat corporate competition that devours small, local businesses? Do you applaud the sweatshop labor it takes to produce your sweatpants for less?

Feeling schizophrenic, yet?

Former Secretary of Labor Robert Reich believes we are all suffering from this split agenda -- as consumers we want low prices, while as citizens we may oppose corporate behaviors that make them possible. And he believes -- at least on a national scale -- our citizen selves are losing.

Shoppers are elbowing citizens out of the public arena. The last three decades have seen the emergence of a supercharged capitalism fueled by open markets and cutthroat competitiveness. According to Reich, "supercapitalism" is overwhelming government with lobbyists and money, while citizens are dazzled by the promise of previously unimaginable riches and consumer choices.

In his new book, Supercapitalism, Reich tackles the big question: Can democracy survive in this environment?

Professor of public policy at the University of California, Berkeley, Reich served in three national administrations, most recently as secretary of labor under President Bill Clinton. He is co-founding editor of the American Prospect, and his weekly commentaries on public radio's "Marketplace" are heard by nearly 5 million people. He is the author of eleven books, including The Work of Nations, The Future of Success and his latest, Supercapitalism.

Terrence McNally: In Supercapitalism, you describe the almost golden age of the '50s and '60s. What are some things you value from that period that your sons will never experience?

Robert Reich: Well, stable jobs. My father was a retail merchant. He had a little store that catered to factory workers and their families, and those factory jobs were pretty stable. People typically stayed with the same company for 40 years. I'm not sure we should or can go back to those days, but job stability was a value that people held very dear. These days nobody knows whether they're going to be working for the same company next week, next year or tomorrow.

There's the issue of inequality. In the '50s and '60s, the "almost golden age," we had less inequality of income and wealth than at any time before or since. I'm not saying everybody's income necessarily has to be the same, but inequality is bad for society and bad for democracy.

TM: You're not in any way saying that we can return to that age?

RR: No, and I don't think we should. I call it "the not quite golden age," because a lot of things were wrong with our society. African-Americans were still relegated to second-class citizenship. We passed a civil rights act and a voting rights act, but we still had a long way to go. Women were blocked from most professional careers. The environment was more polluted. We passed the Environmental Protection Act of 1975 and made progress on that. Joe McCarthy and the communist witch hunt of the 1950s scarred American politics. The CIA was up to no good abroad. I don't want to paint this era as a wonderful place we should necessarily go back to, but it's important to understand that our democracy, although far from perfect, was trying to grapple with all of those problems.

When people were asked in opinion polls, "Do you think that our system is working in your interest and in the interest of things you believe in?" the vast majority of Americans between 1945 and 1975, said "Yes." These days it's just the reverse. In most polls, when asked that same question, "Do you think that the democratic system is working in the interests of average Americans like you?" anywhere from 68 to 75 percent of Americans say, "No, it's working for the big guys."

TM: In his recent book, Deep Economy, Bill McKibben looks at whether our gains in material possessions since the '50s and '60s have made us happier. According to polling, people are not as happy now as they were then, and he believes it's because they've paid too high a price in the loss of community.

RR: As consumers and investors, we've made great progress over the last 30 years -- if you put quotation marks around the word "progress." We have access to a much greater range of choices. We get better products, more gadgets, more bells and whistles. We comparison shop like mad on the internet. We're getting great deals, and those great deals have become progressively better. But as citizens, we are doing arguably worse and worse, because we have fewer and fewer ways of expressing the values and goals we share with other people.

TM: There were two surprises for me in this book. First, despite the title, it seemed to me the subject of this book is democracy. Second, you seem to say that campaigning for social and environmental responsibility from corporations is either a distraction or a failed strategy.

RR: Yes on both counts. Let me explain briefly.

I don't think we can separate capitalism from democracy. If capitalism is working well and democracy is working poorly, democracy is working poorly in part because capitalism is working so vibrantly. Capitalism has overrun democracy. In the 1940s, '50s and '60s, we talked about "democratic capitalism" with a small "d." We talked about it very proudly -- to ourselves and to the world -- as the alternative to Soviet communism.


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follow your money
Posted by: frantaylor on Nov 28, 2007 12:13 AM   
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As you hand your money to others, think about where it's going and who is getting it. The system does a pretty good job of cutting you out of the decision-making processes in this country, but you still decide where your money goes. If you think there's too much inertia preventing changes, remember East Germany. A whole country woke up one morning and decided they weren't going to be communists any more. The time is right for our epiphany.

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» RE: follow your money Posted by: Ignatz deFyre
» RE: follow your money Posted by: Joe
» RE: follow your money Posted by: alleybear
Dangerous assumption
Posted by: kepstein7777 on Nov 28, 2007 4:09 AM   
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If we restore democracy--so to speak--what makes you think the masses will do the right thing any more than the capitalists and the politicians who are in charge now? They're all human...Ever heard of "tyranny of the majority", or the 1972, 198X, or 2004 elections?

While democracy may be better than autocracy, the key focus ought to be doing the right thing regardless of what the fickle masses are doing at the time...as some people are doing with a surprising amount of success, despite the odds. Putting too much faith in democracy, an amoral form of rule which can do good or evil, is like putting too much faith in the amoral corporations described in this article.

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» Worse Yet Posted by: pdxstudent
» RE: Dangerous assumption Posted by: alleybear
Save Democracy
Posted by: astralman on Nov 28, 2007 5:41 AM   
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how should we do that?

"Step No. 1: Buy my book."

second, don't be cynical. don't criticize me for offering yet another consumer product that promises big change but will just collect dust on your bookshelf next to your copy of Harry Potter. This is the problem with America, oh, you want a green home, just buy fluorescent light bulbs and keep on living in your McMansion. Oh, you can keep driving your SUV because Chevy has a hybrid SUV that gets 21mpg! wow! that's so amazing! real change means change people. it means you can't continue doing what you're doing. we already have plenty of knowledge about this, another book is not going to help things.

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» RE: Save Democracy Posted by: wonkywriter
» RE: Save Democracy Posted by: Basenjis
» RE: Save Democracy Posted by: astralman
» RE: Save Democracy Posted by: alleybear
Two things need to be done.
Posted by: maxpayne on Nov 28, 2007 6:44 AM   
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1. We must kill the myth of "Consumer spending drives the E-CON-UH-ME!" Compulsive spending only drowns us all deeper into DEBT and don't forget the sellout Bankruptcy OVERHAUL shams that gubbmint happily passed ! Besides, there are plenty of other factors that drive the E-CON-UH-ME which brings me to the next point.

2. We must stop fooling ourselves into believing that we live in a capitalistic society. Sure, capitalism opens the door to caste based systems but what system doesn't. In any case, if a truly free market/trade existed rather than the current RIGGED market, there would be a greater variety of choices in things like energy for example. Looking at the currently RIGGED "market", everything's lopsidedly in favor of Big Oil/Coal/Nuclear whereas alternative renewables such as solar, wind, tidal, geothermal are purposely DEFUNDED and others such as petroleum free biofuels such as hemp are OUTLAWED. To make matters worse, government spoonfeeds Corporate America all the while giving the working/middle/lower class the EXECUTION.

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» RE: Two things need to be done. Posted by: alleybear
what about the workers?
Posted by: antiapathy on Nov 28, 2007 7:26 AM   
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In his paradigm, Reich says the investors and the consumers work together to undermine citizens. This frame completely ignores the workers. The way I see it, the investors are pitting the consumers and workers against each other. Why do we even need the investors? If we had worker-managed co-ops we would get higher quality products and better wages, instead of the current race-to-the-bottom where product quality and wages are driven down and the investors count on consumers to buy more and more crap.

Citizens represent all three groups: workers, consumers and investors. Of course most citizens are workers and consumers first. I whole-heartedly agree that we need a movement to reclaim our democracy. But Reich again mis-represents the source of the problem. We need to overcome apathy, not cynicism. I am extremely cynical, but I still participate. I write letters to my representatives and vote for candidates that represent my interests (rather than corporations). But I know it will do no good. I still get the same form letters back from my Senator ("I staunchly oppose the Iraq war, but I had to vote to fund it because I'm a pussy!") and my candidates are never elected. My cynicism is based on the fact that the majority of Americans are apathetic and uninformed. They are too busy working and consuming to bother participating.

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» RE: what about the workers? Posted by: phatkhat
» RE: what about the workers? Posted by: wonkywriter
ClassAct
Posted by: ClassAct on Nov 28, 2007 8:32 AM   
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According to Mr. Reich, democracy must be separated from capitalism, but in fact capitalism must be subjugated to democracy. Insofar as democracy fails to correspond to reality, it dooms itself, and capitalism has never been a system in correspondence to reality. The claim to produce profits violates the second law of thermodynamics and profits must therefore come from victims. Insofar as one is victimized by the economy, his or her participation in democracy is proportionally diminished. By far the greatest victims of capitalism are those animals living in the wild who have no voting rights whatsoever. The second greatest victims are the public at large, each of whom conceives him or herself as an individual under social duress. The social contract to be arranged by democracy is under economic duress and only the subjugation of capital to democracy can create a just and stable future for the world. Without a theory of economy based on throughput of thermodynamic analysis, however, all the pseudo-analysis of policy makers remains utopian “crackpot realism.”

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Why is Robert Reich afraid to say the "R" word?
Posted by: sausage on Nov 28, 2007 8:37 AM   
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Even though waxing nostalgically on that "almost golden age," from the end of World War II to a year before Jimmy Carter's election, Robert Reich seems to forget that this was the final era of centralized New Deal-style federal regulation of industry and the economy. This era was, counterintuitively, the most prosperous in the nation's history to that time.

Yet Chicago School free-marketeers, especially Milton J. Friedman and disciple Alan Greenspan, made the misleading claim that American industry, shackled by rigid and restrictive fedral rules and regualtion, was not reaching its fullest potential. Unfettered from federal "interference," industrial profits would, like a champagne cascade, flow downwards to every segment of society in proportion to its needs to the benefit of all, the only losers being the congenitally indolent. Government and the economy, so the "free marketeer" sloganeers say, have such dissimilar functions as to be almost totally independent of one another. The "free marketeers" claim, government's only legitimate function is to raise and support a military, the "free market" economy will take care of the rest.

So even though Reich sees the need of removing corporate influence from the political sphere as palliative for redressing the imbalance of coporate influence on our American republican form of democracy, he seems incapable of divorcing himself from idea of a "free market" economy. Only through the reintroduction of federal economic regulation can capitalism survive in the Twenty-first Century. What seems to be on the United States' horizon is some form of Neofeudalism if the current trend of industrial/economic deregulation is not reversed.

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How About Giving Away Your Book?
Posted by: Overburdened Planet on Nov 28, 2007 9:17 AM   
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And if the world becomes a better place because of it, we all promise to give you credit, but that's not what marketing your book is about, is it? Make some noise, bring up ideas we think we haven't heard of yet; there's always someone with a message or an idea, asking us to buy their crap, but isn't something always missing from the equation (buy something = be happy or change the world)? Michael Moore sold us great books, films and TV shows. How did it change anything or make us better off? Now ask yourself, how well off is Mr. Moore?

…”Corporations will not be socially responsible, if by socially responsible we are suggesting that they sacrifice consumer deals and investor returns. They won't.”

Didn’t Germany tell Wal-Mart to f*ck off?
How do Germans survive without Wal-Mart?

Didn’t Wal-Mart Canada meat packers form a union?
Didn't Wal-Mart Canada outsource meat packing?

Didn't the EU list 450 banned chemicals?
Didn't the US list (only) 9 of these?

”One is the power and influence of corporate money on politics. The other is the social and environmental consequences of corporate behavior. It looks to me like we can't hope to solve the second till we solve the first.”

Once elected, how do "we" stop "them" from:
Vetos
Bills with counterproductive riders
Deal making (sign my bill...I'll sign yours)
Signing statements
Anything else I missed?

This same push-pull affect on economy and environment isn’t the entire truth. The economy harms the environment...without (as many) people we wouldn’t be in (as great) a mess.

Comparing today with the 50s and 60s is misdirection; the idea things were or are any better is somehow supposed to make us feel any better we're living in better times? Isn't it the author's job to know just how bad things are. Hasn't he been reading AlterNet like the rest of us? I mean come on, we still have major issues with discrimination, civil and legal rights, economy and environment. Comparing countries instead of eras might make more sense, at least to me.

Green advertising (greenwashing) is overblown these days and after reading two recent AlterNet articles on sweatshop practices involving Hanes and Victoria Secret, I wondered if we are being duped into worrying more about the environment when we should be as concerned about the conditions of those who make the crap we buy?

We aren't far removed from being those people ourselves, in more ways than one.

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Campaign funds in a blind trust?
Posted by: Sojourner on Nov 28, 2007 9:49 AM   
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It sounds like a really good idea to me--short of public financing of political campaigns.

Elected candidates use blind trusts. Surely it would work for an electoral campaign.

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» Not good enough. Posted by: antiapathy
» RE: Not good enough. Posted by: wonkywriter
What's with this fondness of Democracy?
Posted by: Joe on Nov 28, 2007 11:06 AM   
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If the left loves democracy so much what with all the complaining of Bush being in the white house? What's with the complaining about religion being taught in schools? What's with the complaining about the war (the Iraq war had 70% support the year it started)? What's with the complaining about laws against abortion/a woman's choice? What's with the complaining about homophobia and gays not being allow to marry?

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» RE: Democracy has its limits. Posted by: nightgaunt
» RE: Democracy has its limits. Posted by: phatkhat
» Fondness for justice Posted by: nellie blogger
Keith Campbell
Posted by: bikesnbach on Nov 28, 2007 11:08 AM   
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It's the same with Immigration. We don't like illegal immigrants (slaves) in our country but we love cheap labor and the low cost of living that they bring to us. Talk about schizophrenic!
keith campbell
denver

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In Europe the towns have markets
Posted by: surfreality on Nov 28, 2007 11:39 AM   
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in them. In the USA we have markets with towns around them.

See: Flint Michigan.

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Maybe it's time we took a long hard look
Posted by: willymack on Nov 28, 2007 11:40 AM   
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At socialism. Not the brutal, dictatorial style of Soviet era Russia, or Pol Pot's version, but the socialism that's working just fine in Scandinavia and other parts of Europe, which are true Democracies, unlike the fascist dictatorship evolving here. They lead us in just about every catagory related to hapiness and well-being, including (but not limited to) longevity, infant mortality, education, health care, and either stable or declining populations, which is essential for long range economic and ecological health. It shoild be all too apparent to us here, that business as usual not only isn't working, but SUCKS for all but the most wealthy of us, and isn't getting any better, nor will it unless drastic changes are made. Libertie, Fraternatie, Egalitie, instead of War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Power.

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Freedom don't exist in Capitalism
Posted by: coolrayfruge on Nov 28, 2007 11:55 AM   
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Definition of Freedom is to be free.
And we all know anything free isn't profitable to a Capitalist.
They make their money off the peoples needs and they can only do that by having control over it.

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WWRP do?
Posted by: bmw111 on Nov 28, 2007 12:20 PM   
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Go here to see an interesting comparison of the 08 Presidential Candidates, including Ron Paul, under the Fourth Turning framework.

http://truthalert.net/The%20Poison%20Pen.htm

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» RE: WWRP do? Posted by: phatkhat
DO we all want democracy?
Posted by: phatkhat on Nov 28, 2007 12:35 PM   
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The author closes with:
"I mean, we all believe in democracy. Regardless of what we want democracy to accomplish, we want democracy to work."

This ignores a vocal minority that has acquired an enormous amount of power - the Dominionists/Reconstructionists. They are infiltrating mainline Christianity with their ugly message of violence and hate. They have NO use for democracy, and wish only to have a theocracy based on their own interpretation of the Bible.

They support "prosperity theology", a loosely Calvinist position that believes that rich people are blessed and the poor are cursed - by God. This fits nicely with neo-conservative/libertarian laissez faire capitalism.

We ignore them at our peril.

www.talk2action.org

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Campaign reform
Posted by: nopuppy on Nov 28, 2007 12:57 PM   
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He makes a good point, one I've argued for a long while, about campaign financing. But I would argue that all contributions should go into a common fund, to be evenly distributed among candidates. This would automatically (a) remove the quid pro quo from campaign contributions, (b) remove the overfunding of the powerfully connected and the underfunding of the less known, which would probably encourage and help build viable alternatives to the two juggernaut political parties, (c) yes, automatically lower the amount of campaign contributions; but tax incentives could keep them significant. Of course, requiring the media to provide free advertising for all candidates is absolutely imperative. Another huge improvement would be limiting by law campaigning to a finite time frame, say, six weeks before an election. It is beyond ludicrous that in our time of constant media exposure and round the clock access to news, a presidential campaign has started two years before the election!

It's only a beginning, but it would constitute a huge step forward. Perhaps the populace would lose its apathy and feeling of helplessness if it could see that there was a reason to be involved in the political process.

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Difference between Schizophrenia and Hyprocrisy
Posted by: nfamous on Nov 28, 2007 12:59 PM   
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Schizophrenia is loving democracy but wanting endless consumer choices. There is an nebulous disconnect between those two. Hypocrisy is wanting cheap Mexican labor but not Mexican citizens. Any idiot can see that those two cannot exist simultaneously but the individual has to decide if they are more greedy or more racist. Yes Mexicans and others are breaking laws by coming here illegally but what good is an unjust law? Who broke the law when the US stole most of Mexico? Actually it was stolen twice because Mexico stole much of it from the native Americans. Americans don't care if Mexicans break the law if they can benefit from it. Blacks are angry because Mexicans take low paying jobs. Whites are angry because they just don't like people of other races being in "their" country, even though they may marginally benefit from it. That is not only hypocrisy. It's downright evil.

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SuperCapitalism breeds a host of ills
Posted by: nfamous on Nov 28, 2007 1:03 PM   
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Supercapitalism is not only responsible for outsourcing and illegal immigration it's also responsible for rampant individualism and infantilism. People act so childish and selfish these days it is no wonder that few of us can come together to mount a defense to the end of our liberties. We are all competing with each other instead of aligning against an abusive government. Say what you will but this is largely the fault of organized religion. It keeps us divided so they can conquer us just like Frederick Douglass said many, many years ago.

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Ole trailer trash
Posted by: Col. Jackleg on Nov 28, 2007 1:50 PM   
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Bill Clinton once proudly proclaimed how exciting it would be to have 4 or 5 or more careers in a single lifetime. I guess he never met Reich (ouch!). But those of us enjoying a lucid interval might say....are you out of your #$*&J#F mind? How stressed out and nuts do you want us to be or didn't that trailer park next to yours in Lost Hope, Arkinsauce? It ain't only Bush folks.

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» You miss the point Posted by: Col. Jackleg
Unfortunately
Posted by: masterjc on Nov 28, 2007 3:18 PM   
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THe people who can afford help are too apathetic to do anything. And the ones who want to help are struggling just to make it by. Sad

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Unfortunately
Posted by: masterjc on Nov 28, 2007 3:18 PM   
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THe people who can afford help are too apathetic to do anything. And the ones who want to help are struggling just to make it by. Sad

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Social Democracy is the Answer
Posted by: sofla100 on Nov 28, 2007 6:05 PM   
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The problem in America is that wealth increasingly continues to be concentrated at the top. With 1/3rd of the wealth concentrated in the hands of the top 1%. But, America can do much better. The European model should be looked to for emulation. You start in America with gutting the military and national security state, foolish projects anyway that end in stupid wars and cost over half of the federal taxes collected. Next, you put in place the social safety net, to include universal, single source medical coverage for all, a guaranteed level of subsistence, and strong union protection or "works councils" for all. You gut "free trade" and tax the rich appropriately. This is the model used in Sweden, and it is working great. The economy is buzzing along well. Of course, you hear the carping from Wall Street Americans waiting for "the bottom to fall out on socialistic Europeans." But, last I checked, the European economy and currency is doing quite well, thank you, while America's currency and economy continues to crumble to dust.

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“Citizens' Movement to Rescue Democracy”, it’s got a nice RING to it, doesn’t it!
Posted by: jackblack on Nov 28, 2007 8:03 PM   
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AlterNet puts a few more points on the board, by show-casing a book that may very well shine light on a way forward. “Citizens' movement to rescue democracy”, I like the sound of that! The post was well worth the read.

I don’t believe that Reich needed to make comparison between present times and the 40’s and 50’s. His assessment that capitalism has overrun democracy is sobering and its validity speaks volumes in all that we are seeing and experiencing in our present political, social and economic predicament.

Walling-off democracy in order to address the trade-offs between the consumer/investor and citizen makes a whole lot of sense. There is great need for room to reflect and understand how American democracy found itself overwhelmed by capitalism in the first place and what steps need to be taken to maintain a separation that keeps democracy, the fundamental value of our society, in control.

Furthermore, our current political situation is screaming at us to ensure that politics and government remain focused on the needs of the American citizen. Without constant scrutiny, oversight and realignment all branches of government and every political party, have a capacity to overstep their boundaries toward tyranny.

I and I hope everyone else; will work diligently over the next year to see that the present people and party in power are run out of the White House, and every other house and hall of government. Yet doing this and this only, will not solve our present dilemma. A Progressive, Independent or party by any other name is capable of the same assaults on democracy, as those perpetrated in the past few decades. Super Capitalism produces a lot of money and that money will always breed corruption. Democracy can survive the assault of Super Capitalism, but doing so requires the engagement of it's citizenry at all levels.

I’ll state it plainly, “Don’t think that you can go back to being superficially involved in your governance after your candidate wins in 2008”. Democracy becomes a vacant and vulnerable ideology without the engagement and evolvement of its present day citizenry.

“Citizens' Movement to Rescue Democracy”, it’s got a nice RING to it, doesn’t it!

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The heart of the matter
Posted by: Lincoln fan on Nov 28, 2007 8:23 PM   
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RR: Absolutely. I keep telling progressives who have particular issues they want to advance [that] nothing is going to happen on your issue or any other progressive issue unless you get together with everybody else who wants change and rescue democracy first

Mr. Reich agrees with the principle of The Lincoln Initiative. That is, that the most important issue is democracy. However, The Lincoln Initiative idea is that the issues of the people can be gained simultaneously with rescuing democracy. In fact, if both parties support the agendas of the majority, we automatically have democracy.
People don't have to come together on issues; they have to come together on a strategy, one that will force both parties to put the various issues, that different majorities support, on their platforms. This must be done before the election. Once you cast your vote its power is gone.
Bob Reichenbach,
Director The Lincoln Initiative.

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Put on your thinking caps people.
Posted by: slydad on Nov 28, 2007 8:45 PM   
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I know you can do better than this.

"Consumer-Driven Culture Is Killing Our Democracy"?

So then the antidote is a non-consumer-driven culture? Ok, so let's dissect this and get down to the bare truth of the matter.

So in order for us to have a culture that is not inspired to operate based on profits generated by consumerism, we would need to remove ownership of all property, right? Uh . . . I don't know how many of you idiots are going to recognize it, but this article is advocating Communism.

As long as we allow individuals to own property, capitalism is going to take place on some level. And incidentally, the freer the marketplace, the more capitalism and the more wealth that is created.

In other words, the opposite of a consumer-driven culture is a culture in which there are no profits for anyone, which is Communism.

I guess that's what Hilary meant when she said in reference to the obscene profits generated by oil companies last year, "I want to take those profits . . ."

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» What else could it be? Posted by: slydad
» If you don't believe me Posted by: slydad
DEMOCRACY IS NOT THE BELOVED OF ALL
Posted by: lulugeez on Nov 29, 2007 9:29 AM   
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Robert Reich's last word was that our love for Democracy is what we all have in common, that it will unite across ideological divides. We do not all love democracy. In fact democracy is the enemy of most of our elected "representitives", their bosses and the experts who advise them. They have dedicated themselves, in the last twenty-five years, to the erosion of citizen participation in processes that are not only the right of citizens to participate in, but a duty. This will not be redressed by fuzzy, warm feelings of love for democracy, but by citizens taking it back. Believe me, it won't be easy. Most of us are aculturated to the lie that we are doing our job as citizens if we haul our sorry asses off the couch every four years and vote. Voting is not enough. And if one is naive enough to think citizen interference in the now privatized processes of governing even our towns and cities will be welcomed by our elected representitives, just try opposing anything a twp board or city council has planned in concert with the local community leaders. In a nono-second, a rhetorical gag order will be issued (NIMBY, activist, ecologist etc.). Whether or not we are willing to act politically is the great ideological divide. Too many of us eschew the political. But there's no such thing as democracy without the political, without divergences dealt with on the field of politics, without conflict. The only thing that can unite us and preserve democracy is our acknowledgement that we belong right in the middle of the fray. If citizens continue the retreat from the public sphere, what few trappings of democracy remain will also be disappeared down the ever expanding black hole called PRIVATE, where-in we can suffer in silence, with our despair and rage medicated under house arrest.

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agreed
Posted by: astralman on Nov 29, 2007 12:19 PM   
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you're preaching to the choir. that is my point, you have to get off of your ass and do something. not sit and read yet another book and say "wow great idea and then go watch t.v."

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Community and lifestyle
Posted by: Sum Won on Nov 29, 2007 8:30 PM   
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The masses do not want to fall behind the Jones's or move back to the land and raise chickens. So what do they want?

I would never have believed I could be weaned of our car culture but having moved to a community which provides excellent and affordable public transportation along with urban design which facilitates walking I found myself downsizing to a micro car and rarely find a need or desire to use it. Car sharing as an option would have eliminated the need entirely. How can we expect people to give up the independence and freedom of a car when the alternative is commuter drudgery and limited mobility. I also downsized from 2600 square feet to 900 because I no longer find the family needing a Macmansion-cocoon to escape into. The public parks, recreational facilities, libraries, galleries and other facilities are far more enticing than anything I could create in my former Macmansion. This has had a dramatic effect on our consumption habits as formerly most of our purchases were either for the cars or the Macmansion. Our mini-cocoon provides excellent cooking, cleaning and sleeping facilities along with one large room for socializing. The family interaction has improved dramatically now that we no longer can escape from each other. We are rediscovering the joys and tribulations of being a family. No longer isolated from our community our network of friends and contacts has increased and are far more enriching than the former ones which were largely based on some underlying form of monetary interaction.
"Hi my name is Bill and I'll be your server" or "Joe's car dealership where every one leaves with a smile".
There are no box lands to get lost in but numerous small vendors that cross our daily paths providing all that we need. To call them vendors is inappropriate as we have come to know them as fellow members of the community. Consequently we are not a number on a credit card to be treated in some anonymous manner or to be exploited. We travel much less as we no longer have this pent up desire to escape our daily lives. The social services provided include universal health coverage, disability and senior pensions as well as free education including University and adult courses. We have acquired an inner peace that regardless of any unforeseen misfortune we will be taken care of. No longer do we find a compelling argument for overworking so that we can generate sufficient savings to protect ourselves from unforeseen calamities. Consequently we find more time to volunteer our services for community improvements. When some suggest we are working for free I suggest just look around and see how much richer we are because of our combined efforts. The main lesson is that rather than owning things we now share as much as possible and consequently we have much more. One recent suggestion considered somewhat radical was that in pursuing balance our community should move towards a 10 hour work day. Five hours for private enterprise, three hours of community service and two hours for personal development. Where is this place? Unfortunately a figment of my imagination. It is not based on fiction but reality as I have experienced elements of all of the above in varying places.

The only political system that can instigate real change is at the community level. Build it and they will come. Then a coalition of like minded communities will become a force to be reckoned with.

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» More communism, eh? Posted by: slydad
» RE: More communism, eh? Posted by: asaspades9
» That's typical. Posted by: slydad
» RE: More communism, eh? Posted by: Sum Won
fractional reserve banking as economic parasitism
Posted by: vzn on Dec 3, 2007 7:52 PM   
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reich has some valuable insights but remains an apologist for some of the various
increasingly obviously indefensible abuses of supercapitalism.

take a look at a very thorough,
free scientific paper that noted, introduced, and dissected
the "democracy versus capitalism" dichotomy over 5 years ago.
of course despite being highly read in cyberspace
(while no one's looking)
it is rarely cited-- too hot to handle.

endorsed by two phd economists. printed in nexus
magazine, 60k world circulation. #1 top downloaded
economics paper. used by economics
teacher in australia as standard classroom material.

more info on request.


"fractional reserve banking as economic parasitism"



recent supporting material:



The Shock Doctrine: Naomi Klein on the Rise of Disaster Capitalism


Confessions of an Economic Hit Man: How the U.S. Uses Globalization to Cheat Poor Countries Out of Trillions


John Perkins on "The Secret History of the American Empire: Economic Hit Men, Jackals, and the Truth about Global Corruption"


Video, senator/pres candidate Dennis Kucinich at last years 2005 Monetary Reform Conference


money as debt video by Grignon

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