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We Face Worldwide Drought with No Contingency Plan
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"We've come together here," he said, "simply for one reason and one reason only: To very reverently and respectfully pray up a storm." It seems, however, that the Almighty was otherwise occupied and the regional drought continued to threaten Atlanta, a metropolis of 5 million people (and growing fast), with the possibility that it might run out of water in as little as eighty days or as much as a year, if the rains don't come. Here's a little summary of the situation today:
Water rationing has hit the capital. Car washing and lawn watering are prohibited within city limits. Harvests in the region have dropped by 15 to 30 percent. By the end of summer, local reservoirs and dams were holding 5 percent of their capacity.Oops, that's not Atlanta, or even the Southeastern US. That's Ankara, Turkey, hit by a fierce drought and high temperatures that also have had southern and southwestern Europe in their grip.
Sorry, let's try that again. Imagine this scenario:
Over the last decade, 15 to 20 percent decreases in precipitation have been recorded. These water losses have been accompanied by record temperatures and increasing wildfires in areas where populations have been growing rapidly. A fierce drought has settled in -- of the hundred-year variety. Lawns can be watered but just for a few hours a day (and only by bucket); four-minute showers are the max allowed. Car washes are gone, though you can clean absolutely essential car windows and mirrors by hand.
Sound familiar? As it happens, that's not the American Southeast either; that's a description of what's come to be called "The Big Dry" -- the unprecedented drought that has swept huge parts of Australia, the worst in at least a century on an already notoriously dry continent, but also part of the world's breadbasket, where crops are now failing regularly and farms closing down.
In fact, on my way along the parched path toward Atlanta, Georgia, I found myself taking any number of drought-stricken detours. There's Moldova. (If you're like me, odds are you don't even know where that small, former Soviet republic falls on a map.)
Like much of southern Europe, it experienced baking temperatures this summer, exceptionally low precipitation, sometimes far less than 50 percent of expected rainfall, failing crops and farms, and spreading wildfires. (The same was true, to one degree or another, of Albania, Bulgaria, Croatia, Macedonia, and -- with its 100-year record scorching of Biblical proportions -- Greece which lost 10 percent of its forest cover in a month-long fiery apocalypse, leaving "large tracts of countryside...at risk of depopulation.")
Or how about Morocco, across the Mediterranean, which experienced 50 percent less rainfall than normal? Or the Canary Islands, those Spanish vacation spots in the Atlantic Ocean known to millions of visitors for their year-around mild climate which, this summer, morphed into 104-degree days, strong winds, and fierce wildfires. Eighty-six thousand acres were burnt to a crisp, engulfing some of the islands in flames and smoke that drove out thousands of tourists?
Or what about Mexico's Tehuacán Valley, where, thousands of years ago, corn was first domesticated as an agricultural crop. Even today, asking for "un Tehuacán" in a restaurant in Mexico still means getting the best bottled mineral water in the country. Unfortunately, the area hasn't had a good rain since 2003, and the ensuing drought conditions have made subsistence farming next to impossible, sending desperate locals northwards and across the border as illegal immigrants -- some into Southern California, itself just swept by monstrous Santa Ana-driven wildfires, fanned by prolonged drought conditions and fed tinder by new communities built deep into the wild lands where the fires gestate.
And Tehuacán is but one disaster zone in a growing Mexican catastrophe. As Mike Davis has written, "Abandoned ranchitos and near-ghost towns throughout Coahuila, Chihuahua and Sonora testify to the relentless succession of dry years -- beginning in the 1980s but assuming truly catastrophic intensity in the late 1990s -- that has pushed hundreds of thousands of poor rural people toward the sweatshops of Ciudad Juarez and the barrios of Los Angeles."
According to the How Dry I Am chart of "livability expert" Bert Sperling, four cities in Southern California, not parched Atlanta, top the national drought ratings: Los Angeles, San Diego, Oxnard, and Riverside. In addition, Pasadena has had the dubious honor, through September, of experiencing its driest year in history.
Resource Wars in the Homeland
"Resource wars" are things that happen elsewhere. We don't usually think of our country as water poor or imagine that "resource wars" might be applied as a description to various state and local governments in the Southwest, Southeast, or upper Midwest now fighting tooth and nail for previously shared water. And yet, "war" may not be a bad metaphor for what's on the horizon.
According to the National Climate Data Center, federal officials have declared 43 percent of the contiguous US to be in "moderate to extreme drought." Already, Sonny Perdue of Georgia is embroiled in an ever more bitter conflict -- a "water war," as the headlines say -- with the governors of Florida and Alabama, as well as the Army Corps of Engineers, over the flow of water into and out of the Atlanta area.
He's hardly alone. After all, the Southwest is in the grips of what, according to Davis, some climatologists are terming a "'mega-drought,' even the 'worst in 500 years.' " More shockingly, he writes, such conditions may actually represent the region's new "normal weather."
The upper Midwest is also in rainfall-shortage mode, with water levels at all the Great Lakes dropping unnervingly. The water level of Lake Superior, for instance, has fallen to the "lowest point on record for this time of year." (Notice, by the way, how many "records" are being set nationally and globally in these drought years; how many places are already beginning to push beyond history, which means beyond any reference point we have.)
And then there's the Southeast, 26 percent of which, according to the National Weather Service, is in a state of "exceptional" drought, its most extreme category, and 78 percent of which is "drought-affected." We're talking here about a region normally considered rich in water resources setting a bevy of records for dryness. It has been the driest year on record for North Carolina and Tennessee, for instance, while eighteen months of blue skies have led Georgia to break every historical record, whether measured by "the percentage of moisture in the soil, the flow rate of rivers, [or] inches of rain."
Atlanta is hardly the only city or town in the region with a dwindling water supply. According to David Bracken of Raleigh's News & Observer, "17 North Carolina water systems, including Raleigh and Durham, have 100 or fewer days of water supply remaining before they reach the dregs." Rock Spring, South Carolina, "has been without water for a month. Farmers are hauling water by pickup truck to keep their cattle alive." The same is true for the tiny town of Orme, Tennessee, where the mayor turns on the water for only three hours a day.
And then, there's Atlanta, its metropolitan area "watered" mainly by a 1950s man-made reservoir, Lake Lanier, which, in dramatic photos, is turning into baked mud. Already with a population of five million and known for its uncontrolled growth (as well as lack of water planning), the city is expected to house another two million inhabitants by 2030. And yet, depending on which article you read, Atlanta will essentially run out of water by New Year's eve, in eighty days, in 120 days, or, according to the Army Corps of Engineers -- which seems to find this reassuring -- in 375 days, if the drought continues (as it may well do).
Okay, so let's try again:
Across the region, fountains sit "bone dry"; in small towns, "full-soak" baptisms have been stopped; car washes and laundromats are cutting hours or shutting down. Golf courses have resorted to watering only tees and greens. Campfires, stoves, and grills are banned in some national parks. The boats have left Lake Lanier and the metal detectors have arrived.
This is the verdant Southeastern United States, which, thanks in part to a developing La Niña effect in the Pacific Ocean, now faces the likelihood of a drier than ever winter. And, to put this in context, keep in mind that 2007 "to date has been the warmest on record for land [and]... the seventh warmest year so far over the oceans, working out to the fourth warmest overall worldwide." Oh, and up in the Arctic sea, the ice pack reached its lowest level this September since satellite measurements were begun in 1979.
And Then?
And then, there's that question which has been nagging at me ever since this story first caught my attention in early October as it headed out of the regional press and slowly made its way toward the top of the nightly TV news and the front pages of national newspapers; it's the question I've been waiting patiently for some environmental reporter(s) somewhere in the mainstream media to address; the question that seems to me so obvious I find it hard to believe everyone isn't thinking about it; the one you would automatically want to have answered -- or at least gnawed on by thoughtful, expert reporters and knowledgeable pundits. Every day for the last month or more I've waited, as each piece on Atlanta ends at more or less the same point -- with the dire possibility that the city's water will soon be gone -- as though hitting a brick wall.
Not that there hasn't been some fine reportage -- on the extremity of the situation, the overbuilding and overpopulating of the metropolitan region, the utter heedlessness that went with it, and the resource wars that have since engulfed it. Still, I've Googled around, read scores of pieces on the subject, and they all -- even the one whose first paragraph asked, "What if Atlanta's faucets really do go dry?" -- seem to end just where my question begins. It's as if, in each piece, the reporter had reached the edge of some precipice down which no one cares to look, lest we all go over.
Based on the record of the last seven years, we can take it for granted that the Bush Administration hasn't the slightest desire to glance down; that no one in FEMA who matters has given the situation the thought it deserves; and that, on this subject, as on so many others, top Administration officials are just hoping to make it to January 2009 without too many more scar marks. But, if not the federal government, shouldn't somebody be asking? Shouldn't somebody check out what's actually down there?
So let me ask it this way: And then?
And then what exactly can we expect? If the Southeastern drought is already off the charts in Georgia, then, whether it's 80 days or 800 days, isn't there a possibility that Atlanta may one day in the not-so-distant future be without water? And what then? Okay, they're trucking water into waterless Orme, Tennessee, but the town's mayor, Tony Reames, put the matter well, worrying about Atlanta. "We can survive. We're 145 people but you've got 4.5 million there. What are they going to do?"
What indeed? Has water ever been trucked in to so many people before? And what about industry including, in the case of Atlanta, Coca-Cola, which is, after all, a business based on water? What about restaurants that need to wash their plates or doctors in hospitals who need to wash their hands?
Let's face it, with water, you're down to the basics. And if, as some say, we've passed the point not of "peak oil," but of "peak water" (and cheap water) on significant parts of the planet ... well, what then? I mean, I'm hardly an expert on this, but what exactly are we talking about here? Someday in the reasonably near future could Atlanta, or Phoenix, which in winter 2005-2006, went 143 days without a bit of rain, or Las Vegas become a Katrina minus the storm? Are we talking here about a new trail of tears? What exactly would happen to the poor of Atlanta? To Atlanta itself?
Certainly, you've seen the articles about what global warming might do in the future to fragile or low-lying areas of the world. Such pieces usually mention the possibility of enormous migrations of the poor and desperate. But we don't usually think about that in the "homeland."
Maybe we should.
Or maybe, for all I know, if the drought continues, parts of the region will burn to a frizzle first, Ã la parts of Southern California, before they can even experience the complete loss of water? Will we have hundred-year fire records in the South, without a Santa Ana wind in sight? And what then?
Mass Migrations?
Okay, excuse a terrible, even tasteless, sports analogy, but think of this as a major bowl game, and they've sent one of the water boys -- me -- to man the press booth. I mean, please. Why am I the one asking this?
Where's the media's first team?
In my own admittedly limited search of the mainstream, I found only one vivid, thoughtful recent piece on this subject: "The Future Is Drying Up," by Jon Gertner, written for The New York Times Magazine. It focused on the Southwestern drought and began to explore some of the "and thens," as in this brief passage on Colorado in which Gertner quotes Roger Pulwarty, a "highly regarded climatologist" at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration:
The worst outcome...would be mass migrations out of the region, along with bitter interstate court battles over the dwindling water supplies. But well before that, if too much water is siphoned from agriculture, farm towns and ranch towns will wither. Meanwhile, Colorado's largest industry, tourism, might collapse if river flows became a trickle during summertime.Mass migrations, exfiltrations ... Stop a sec and take in that possibility and what exactly it might mean. After all, we do have some small idea, having, in recent years, lost one American city, New Orleans, at least temporarily.
Or consider another "and then" prediction: What if the prolonged drought in the Southwest turns out, as Mike Davis wrote in The Nation magazine, to be "on the scale of the medieval catastrophes that contributed to the notorious collapse of the complex Anasazi societies at Chaco Canyon and Mesa Verde during the twelfth century"?
What if, indeed.
I'm not simply being apocalyptic here. I'm just asking. It's not even that I expect answers. I'd just like to see a crew of folks with the necessary skills explore the "and then" question for the rest of us. Try to connect a few dots, or tell us if they don't connect, or just explain where the dots really are.
As the World Burns
Okay, since I'm griping on the subject, let me toss in another complaint. As this piece has indicated, the Southeastern drought, unlike the famed cheese of childhood song, does not exactly stand alone. Such conditions, often involving record or near record temperatures, and record or near record wildfires, can be observed at numerous places across the planet. So why is it that, except at relatively obscure websites, you can hardly find a mainstream piece that mentions more than one drought at a time?
An honorable exception would be a recent Seattle Times column by Neal Peirce that brought together the Southwestern and Southeastern droughts, as well as the Western "flame zone," where "mega-fires" are increasingly the norm, in the context of global warming, in order to consider our seemingly willful "myopia about the future."
But you'd be hard-pressed to find many pieces in our major newspapers (or on the TV news) that put all (or even a number) of the extreme drought spots on the global map together in order to ask a simple question (even if its answer may prove complex indeed): Do they have anything in common? And if so, what? And if so, what then? To find even tentative answers to such questions you have to leave the mainstream. Amy Goodman of Democracy Now!, for example, interviewed paleontologist and author of The Weather Makers: The History and Future Impact of Climate Change, Tim Flannery recently on the topic of a "world on fire." Flannery offered the following observation:
It's not just the Southeast of the United States. Europe has had its great droughts and water shortages. Australia is in the grip of a drought that's almost unbelievable in its ferocity. Again, this is a global picture. We're just getting much less usable water than we did a decade or two or three decades ago. It's a sort of thing again that the climate models are predicting. In terms of the floods, again we see the same thing. You know, a warmer atmosphere is just a more energetic atmosphere. So if you ask me about a single flood event or a single fire event, it's really hard to make the connection, but take the bigger picture and you can see very clearly what's happening.I know answers to the "and then" question are not easy or necessarily simple. But if drought -- or call it "desertification" -- becomes more widespread, more common in heavily populated parts of the globe already bursting at the seams (and with more people arriving daily), if whole regions no longer have the necessary water, how many trails of tears, how many of those mass migrations or civilizational collapses are possible? How much burning and suffering and misery are we likely to experience? And what then?
These are questions I can't answer; that the Bush Administration is guaranteed to be desperately unwilling and unprepared to face; and that, as yet, the media has largely refused to consider in a serious way. And if the media can't face this and begin to connect some dots, why shouldn't Americans be in denial, too?
It's not that no one is thinking about, or doing work on, drought. I know that scientists have been asking the "and then" questions (or perhaps far more relevant ones that I can't even formulate); that somewhere people have been exploring, studying, writing about them. But how am I to find out?
Of course, all of us can wander the Internet; we can visit the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, which has just set up a new website to help encourage drought coverage; we can drop in at blogs like RealClimate.org and ClimateProgress.org, which make a habit of keeping up with, or ahead of, such stories; or even, for instance, the Georgia Drought website of the University of Georgia's College of Agricultural and Environmental Sciences; or we can keep an eye on a new organization of journalists (well covered recently on the NPR show "On the Media"), Circle of Blue, who are planning to concentrate on water issues. But, believe me, even when you get to some of these sites, you may find yourself in an unknown landscape with no obvious water holes in view and no guides to lead you there.
In the meantime, there may be no trail of tears out of Atlanta; there may even be rain in the city's near future for all any of us know; but it's clear enough that, globally and possibly nationally, tragedy awaits. It's time to call in the first team to ask some questions. Honestly, I don't demand answers. Just a little investigation, some thought, and a glimpse or two over that precipice as the world turns... and bakes and burns.
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Posted by: Ian MacLeod on Nov 25, 2007 1:10 PM
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Hell, even firemen, cops, librarians and your neighbors are going to be spies for them so they'll know when there's trouble brewing in the masses. After all, everybody will need a little something extra just to stay alive, and Stalin showed them the way a long time ago. Nope, they're all set. And so are we.
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Posted by: Phr2 on Nov 25, 2007 1:26 PM
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The Bush administration has made up false facts to lure America into Irak and at the same time has hidden true facts to deny action on climate change and related drought. There is an obvious bias here on his part leading to total anihilation, its all that his policies have the world to. Willingfully or not, he's bringing the world down.
But lets think beyond, and think of the world we want, as in Lester Browns words "If we dont have a clear idea of where we want to go , we'll probably never get there".
So relating to drought, what solutions do we have ?
Over the long term, with action to be taken now: reduce developed nations greenhouse gas emissions by 90% for 2030, which leaves best chances of avoiding a runaway climate change scenario. This will have obvious consequences on future droughts.
Over the short term, reduce per capita water consumption. The solutions exist, technical, political and behaviour changes: tax water consumption heavily if they go beyond a yearly per capita allowance; impose debit reduction devices on all fawcets and taps (cheap and effective); impose dry toilets in new buildings and retrofit existing ones (see www.laneta.apc.org/esac/drytoilet.htm); develop existing lawns and plants species adapted to dry climates and requiring no watering, etc.
Yes this requires state intervention, but the state is us.
Greetings from Switzerland where local and federal state are not seen as an enemy but as a purveyor of public good.
Buscheney and their clones will not be around for ever, look at the whaking the conservatives got in Australia, hope is our fuel, we might avoid the worst if we focus on the solutions.
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Posted by: channing on Nov 25, 2007 1:29 PM
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Calculations show that the planet's deserts currently absorb 700 times the amount of energy consumed by humanity from all other sources... This is just the deserts!
By combining Concentrated Solar Arrays which have already passed the 20-year field test, with a High Tension Grid for distribution, solar energy can be produced inside 1/700th of the desert-mass and shipped anywhere in the world, with a key byproduct being Desalinization. It is conceivable that humanity can simultaneously solve Warming, Pollution, Energy Wars, and Clean Water access in one massive international effort.
The above plan does not preclude other sustainable priorities and options like Wind Islands, Wave and Geothermal, but we can't afford to ignore such a profound solution for our future!
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Posted by: kellysgarden on Nov 25, 2007 9:10 PM
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=39520879762623193
It is called Global Dimming, and is largely caused by what many are calling Chemtrails.
This is a desperate attempt at climate manipulation to avert the global warming that is being caused by the release of carbon from human activity.
In short, Big Oil has a vested interest in our continued addiction to oil. If we start to conserve, they make less money. They don't want us to conserve, so they tell us that global warming does not exist, while they, at the same time are spreading aluminum oxide and barium salts into the atmosphere to cool off the warming atmosphere.
This filtration of sunlight from aluminum oxide and barium particles in the upper atmosphere not only cools the planet from warming, but decreases the amount of evaporation back into the upper atmosphere, resulting in far less precipitation.
Please, watch the google video before you just write me off as some crackpot.
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Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Nov 25, 2007 11:02 PM
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Reference Book: "The Long Summer, How Climate Changed
Civilization" by Brian Fagan, 2004 Basic Books, ISBN 0-465-
02281-2
Summary: Smaller climate changes than we have caused already,
caused the fall of many civilizations.
The Existential Risk that is virtually certain to
happen is the same as the End Permian mass extinction:
Hydrogen Sulfide. It is possible to avoid it, but the power
of wealth must be overcome. Coal is a $100 Billion [US]
industry in the US alone. To avoid extinction, we have to stop
burning coal.
download from:
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=00037A5D-
A938-150E-A93883414B7F0000&sc=I100322
from the October 2006 issue of Scientific American
Article: "Impact from the Deep"
"Strangling heat and gases emanating from the earth and
sea, not asteroids, most likely caused several ancient mass
extinctions. Could the same killer-greenhouse conditions
build once again? "
By Peter D. Ward
The last paragraph of the article says:
"The so-called thermal extinction at the end of the
Paleocene began when atmospheric CO2 was just under
1,000 parts per million (ppm). At the end of the Triassic,
CO2 was just above 1,000 ppm. Today with CO2 around
385 ppm, it seems we are still safe. But with atmospheric
carbon climbing at an annual rate of 2 ppm and expected to
accelerate to 3 ppm, levels could approach 900 ppm by the
end of the next century, and conditions that bring about the
beginnings of ocean anoxia may be in place. How soon
after that could there be a new greenhouse extinction? That
is something our society should never find out."
The hydrogen sulfide will finally put an end to the mining of
coal. Nuclear power is the safest available.
http://www.astrobio.net/news/modules.php?op
=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=672
http://www.ornl.gov/ORNLReview/rev26-
34/text/coalmain.html
http://www.geosociety.org/meetings/2003/
prPennStateKump.htm
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Posted by: PJAW on Nov 26, 2007 6:47 AM
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It does get frustrating though, that we have solutions and alternatives to our problems and habits that would make life here on Earth more enjoyable and more sustainable and we (generally) seem so averse to implementing them. I think most people who subscribe to this blog would happily participate in, or even initiate, these solutions, but there is so much resistance that it sometimes becomes difficult to even give a damn. Which leads one to begin focusing on "where is the safest place to be when the shit hits the fan?", instead of taking a more cooperative view of things.
I'm thinking that would be in an approximate wedge of space that is between ten degrees and 45 degrees off direct alignment with the axis of rotation of the fan, and toward the approach angle. And, of course, outside the direct path of fecal approach. In three dimensions, this probably most resembles a cone, or taking wind drift etc into account, a typical mushroom shape with a large hole in the center of the cap. One's time would seemingly best be spent getting an exact fix on the fan itself. And hoping that the spread of the approaching fecal mass does not exceed the diameter of the fan blade assembly. If it does, we're fucked.
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That's the rule in my bathroom.
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But in truth, the only thing that will help is small families or no families.
STOP BREEDING and adopt.
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Posted by: brauerdave on Nov 26, 2007 8:48 AM
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I believe that there are two things we can do to help stop (or at least slow) global warming, prepare for the worst case of warming in the US, and eliminate our dependence on Mideast oil.
First, the US government should start building water desalination plants on the west coast (then the east cost). Second, the US government must highly support the change to a hydrogen based transportation system. This includes hydrogen fuel cell cars, a country wide scale of hydrogen fuel development, and hydrogen distribution facilities at the retail level.
The large oil companies are going to resist this by saying it is unrealistic and that global warming is not as bad as we think – SO what? Sooner (rather than later) it will be a problem that destroys them as well as us. If we start now our children may live to see a better life where global warming has a reduced effect (and without war – in Iraq).
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Posted by: zeofredo on Nov 26, 2007 9:15 AM
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I know... this is straying into wingnut territory! I tried to push the observations aside myself when I first noticed the kinds of contrails that jets seemed to be drawing across the sky... but there was a key difference between a traditional trail that dissipates within moments and these creations which sometimes last for hours. And then I also began keeping track of the number of such streaks in the sky, as well as observing the weather conditions closely over days and weeks.
I can't explain it, to be honest. There are theories, many of which are tossed out as being fanciful paranoia. But I will say this much: I have noticed a definite correlation between these spraying 'operations' and the dryness of the atmosphere within the same time frame. I've experienced it in Europe (Czech Republic) as well as in my native Canada (Ontario). It is eerie to see these planes crossing the sky and systematically leaving traces of white vapor (aluminum salts?) which may be drying out the atmosphere or averting precipitation: kind of like the opposite of 'cloud seeding'.
I urge everyone to pay more attention to the sky above and consider the atmosphere which usually goes entirely unnoticed in our midst.
This site has some interesting observations to parse:
http://weatherwars.info/
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Posted by: aberdeen on Nov 26, 2007 9:28 AM
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Enough fresh water for the coming generations is a bigger issue than enough oil, although nobody would know that if all they read is our own mainstream media. It is not only about drinking water. It is also about water for crops and large fires caused by drought (such as recently in S. Calif).
This is a good example of how badly sno-balled modern Americans are by mainstream media, which continues to "debate" global warming instead of centering on the real issue that pollution is extremely harmful to people. We should get rid of pollution, even if the planet is cooling down and Al Gore is entirely wrong, because pollution is harmful to our children and everybody knows it. That is what should be the media focus.
The media is typically out of focus on major issues that matter, including especially healthcare and environmental pollution (which are inter-related). Regarding healthcare, the focus belongs on contagious disease. It is extremely dangerous for the well-insured rich man's children if the poor man's children do not have preventive healthcare. That is where the media focus belongs on healthcare, which no conservatives and few progressives really understand.
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The allure of oil, and water is too strong for most of us to ever give up, even though it is killing us.
Such is human nature. Witness the war on drugs.
A "war" on oil, or water or the "right" to have kids is not going to work any better.
Only a better, cleaner drug can avert death. Nuclear, solar, wind, clean coal , de-salination plants, technology of some sort to the rescue.
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ownership of water systems must be public and transparent. Yes, it is costly to buy a local water system from a corporation, but it's more costly to let them control it.
There's a lot of good information at
http://www.foodandwaterwatch.org/water/
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will soon be suffering the Long Arm of Bushevik corporate extortion...
submit, or end up...
...like Iraq.
the corporate compliance cautionary tale...
can you say Security & Prosperity Partnership of North America?
Now in 2007, at the SPP Summit in Montebello, it was reported in the CBC:
"Quebec provincial police admitted Thursday that three of their officers disguised themselves as demonstrators during the protest at the North American leaders summit in Montebello, Que.
Quebec provincial police admitted Thursday that three of their officers disguised themselves as demonstrators during the protest at the North American leaders summit in Montebello, Que"
NOW PAY ATTENTION: Bush. Paraguay. Water.
do the math. exactly WHERE is that Bush property??
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By killing the trees thousands of years ago, the people of the middle east turned their forests into deserts. It's quite possible we're doing the same to the rest of the planet, whether by global warming, global dimming, deforestation, or some other human-caused ecological harms. We need to stop the ecological harms that we're doing, not worry about contingency plans.
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This is kind of a side ways concern from the topic, but the media likes to talk up reducing our carbon footprint. SO eco responsible people should understand those trees that use to collect moisture from the air and CO2 and return oxygen....well they're going to be dead now nad returning all that CO2 back into the atmosphere.
But it's all in the spirit of the season isn't it. Blind and ignorants can always put responsibility off until tomorrow.
The denial continues.......
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strange.
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These days if you want a taste of reality, you have to watch it on TV!!!
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And if you want to spend a great vacation then you should check in one of those great hotels which acts responsibly towards the environment.
Keyword: Ecotourism.
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Before I believe that Atlanta's drought (and it is real, I live here) is part of a "world-wide" drought, I want to see the rainfall stats for TX and the Northern states.
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http://truthalert.net/The%20Poison%20Pen.htm
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burning of fossil fuels will crash along with the crash of
civilization and population. That would at least postpone the
even bigger disaster of human extinction. The bad news: YOU
should expect to be in the 99.99% that dies in a typical civilization
crash.
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Hell, even firemen, cops, librarians and your neighbors are going to be spies for them so they'll know when there's trouble brewing in the masses. After all, everybody will need a little something extra just to stay alive, and Stalin showed them the way a long time ago. Nope, they're all set. And so are we.
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The Bush administration has made up false facts to lure America into Irak and at the same time has hidden true facts to deny action on climate change and related drought. There is an obvious bias here on his part leading to total anihilation, its all that his policies have the world to. Willingfully or not, he's bringing the world down.
But lets think beyond, and think of the world we want, as in Lester Browns words "If we dont have a clear idea of where we want to go , we'll probably never get there".
So relating to drought, what solutions do we have ?
Over the long term, with action to be taken now: reduce developed nations greenhouse gas emissions by 90% for 2030, which leaves best chances of avoiding a runaway climate change scenario. This will have obvious consequences on future droughts.
Over the short term, reduce per capita water consumption. The solutions exist, technical, political and behaviour changes: tax water consumption heavily if they go beyond a yearly per capita allowance; impose debit reduction devices on all fawcets and taps (cheap and effective); impose dry toilets in new buildings and retrofit existing ones (see www.laneta.apc.org/esac/drytoilet.htm); develop existing lawns and plants species adapted to dry climates and requiring no watering, etc.
Yes this requires state intervention, but the state is us.
Greetings from Switzerland where local and federal state are not seen as an enemy but as a purveyor of public good.
Buscheney and their clones will not be around for ever, look at the whaking the conservatives got in Australia, hope is our fuel, we might avoid the worst if we focus on the solutions.
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Calculations show that the planet's deserts currently absorb 700 times the amount of energy consumed by humanity from all other sources... This is just the deserts!
By combining Concentrated Solar Arrays which have already passed the 20-year field test, with a High Tension Grid for distribution, solar energy can be produced inside 1/700th of the desert-mass and shipped anywhere in the world, with a key byproduct being Desalinization. It is conceivable that humanity can simultaneously solve Warming, Pollution, Energy Wars, and Clean Water access in one massive international effort.
The above plan does not preclude other sustainable priorities and options like Wind Islands, Wave and Geothermal, but we can't afford to ignore such a profound solution for our future!
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=39520879762623193
It is called Global Dimming, and is largely caused by what many are calling Chemtrails.
This is a desperate attempt at climate manipulation to avert the global warming that is being caused by the release of carbon from human activity.
In short, Big Oil has a vested interest in our continued addiction to oil. If we start to conserve, they make less money. They don't want us to conserve, so they tell us that global warming does not exist, while they, at the same time are spreading aluminum oxide and barium salts into the atmosphere to cool off the warming atmosphere.
This filtration of sunlight from aluminum oxide and barium particles in the upper atmosphere not only cools the planet from warming, but decreases the amount of evaporation back into the upper atmosphere, resulting in far less precipitation.
Please, watch the google video before you just write me off as some crackpot.
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Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Nov 25, 2007 11:02 PM
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Reference Book: "The Long Summer, How Climate Changed
Civilization" by Brian Fagan, 2004 Basic Books, ISBN 0-465-
02281-2
Summary: Smaller climate changes than we have caused already,
caused the fall of many civilizations.
The Existential Risk that is virtually certain to
happen is the same as the End Permian mass extinction:
Hydrogen Sulfide. It is possible to avoid it, but the power
of wealth must be overcome. Coal is a $100 Billion [US]
industry in the US alone. To avoid extinction, we have to stop
burning coal.
download from:
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=00037A5D-
A938-150E-A93883414B7F0000&sc=I100322
from the October 2006 issue of Scientific American
Article: "Impact from the Deep"
"Strangling heat and gases emanating from the earth and
sea, not asteroids, most likely caused several ancient mass
extinctions. Could the same killer-greenhouse conditions
build once again? "
By Peter D. Ward
The last paragraph of the article says:
"The so-called thermal extinction at the end of the
Paleocene began when atmospheric CO2 was just under
1,000 parts per million (ppm). At the end of the Triassic,
CO2 was just above 1,000 ppm. Today with CO2 around
385 ppm, it seems we are still safe. But with atmospheric
carbon climbing at an annual rate of 2 ppm and expected to
accelerate to 3 ppm, levels could approach 900 ppm by the
end of the next century, and conditions that bring about the
beginnings of ocean anoxia may be in place. How soon
after that could there be a new greenhouse extinction? That
is something our society should never find out."
The hydrogen sulfide will finally put an end to the mining of
coal. Nuclear power is the safest available.
http://www.astrobio.net/news/modules.php?op
=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=672
http://www.ornl.gov/ORNLReview/rev26-
34/text/coalmain.html
http://www.geosociety.org/meetings/2003/
prPennStateKump.htm
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It does get frustrating though, that we have solutions and alternatives to our problems and habits that would make life here on Earth more enjoyable and more sustainable and we (generally) seem so averse to implementing them. I think most people who subscribe to this blog would happily participate in, or even initiate, these solutions, but there is so much resistance that it sometimes becomes difficult to even give a damn. Which leads one to begin focusing on "where is the safest place to be when the shit hits the fan?", instead of taking a more cooperative view of things.
I'm thinking that would be in an approximate wedge of space that is between ten degrees and 45 degrees off direct alignment with the axis of rotation of the fan, and toward the approach angle. And, of course, outside the direct path of fecal approach. In three dimensions, this probably most resembles a cone, or taking wind drift etc into account, a typical mushroom shape with a large hole in the center of the cap. One's time would seemingly best be spent getting an exact fix on the fan itself. And hoping that the spread of the approaching fecal mass does not exceed the diameter of the fan blade assembly. If it does, we're fucked.
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That's the rule in my bathroom.
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But in truth, the only thing that will help is small families or no families.
STOP BREEDING and adopt.
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I believe that there are two things we can do to help stop (or at least slow) global warming, prepare for the worst case of warming in the US, and eliminate our dependence on Mideast oil.
First, the US government should start building water desalination plants on the west coast (then the east cost). Second, the US government must highly support the change to a hydrogen based transportation system. This includes hydrogen fuel cell cars, a country wide scale of hydrogen fuel development, and hydrogen distribution facilities at the retail level.
The large oil companies are going to resist this by saying it is unrealistic and that global warming is not as bad as we think – SO what? Sooner (rather than later) it will be a problem that destroys them as well as us. If we start now our children may live to see a better life where global warming has a reduced effect (and without war – in Iraq).
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I know... this is straying into wingnut territory! I tried to push the observations aside myself when I first noticed the kinds of contrails that jets seemed to be drawing across the sky... but there was a key difference between a traditional trail that dissipates within moments and these creations which sometimes last for hours. And then I also began keeping track of the number of such streaks in the sky, as well as observing the weather conditions closely over days and weeks.
I can't explain it, to be honest. There are theories, many of which are tossed out as being fanciful paranoia. But I will say this much: I have noticed a definite correlation between these spraying 'operations' and the dryness of the atmosphere within the same time frame. I've experienced it in Europe (Czech Republic) as well as in my native Canada (Ontario). It is eerie to see these planes crossing the sky and systematically leaving traces of white vapor (aluminum salts?) which may be drying out the atmosphere or averting precipitation: kind of like the opposite of 'cloud seeding'.
I urge everyone to pay more attention to the sky above and consider the atmosphere which usually goes entirely unnoticed in our midst.
This site has some interesting observations to parse:
http://weatherwars.info/
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Enough fresh water for the coming generations is a bigger issue than enough oil, although nobody would know that if all they read is our own mainstream media. It is not only about drinking water. It is also about water for crops and large fires caused by drought (such as recently in S. Calif).
This is a good example of how badly sno-balled modern Americans are by mainstream media, which continues to "debate" global warming instead of centering on the real issue that pollution is extremely harmful to people. We should get rid of pollution, even if the planet is cooling down and Al Gore is entirely wrong, because pollution is harmful to our children and everybody knows it. That is what should be the media focus.
The media is typically out of focus on major issues that matter, including especially healthcare and environmental pollution (which are inter-related). Regarding healthcare, the focus belongs on contagious disease. It is extremely dangerous for the well-insured rich man's children if the poor man's children do not have preventive healthcare. That is where the media focus belongs on healthcare, which no conservatives and few progressives really understand.
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The allure of oil, and water is too strong for most of us to ever give up, even though it is killing us.
Such is human nature. Witness the war on drugs.
A "war" on oil, or water or the "right" to have kids is not going to work any better.
Only a better, cleaner drug can avert death. Nuclear, solar, wind, clean coal , de-salination plants, technology of some sort to the rescue.
Rod
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ownership of water systems must be public and transparent. Yes, it is costly to buy a local water system from a corporation, but it's more costly to let them control it.
There's a lot of good information at
http://www.foodandwaterwatch.org/water/
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will soon be suffering the Long Arm of Bushevik corporate extortion...
submit, or end up...
...like Iraq.
the corporate compliance cautionary tale...
can you say Security & Prosperity Partnership of North America?
Now in 2007, at the SPP Summit in Montebello, it was reported in the CBC:
"Quebec provincial police admitted Thursday that three of their officers disguised themselves as demonstrators during the protest at the North American leaders summit in Montebello, Que.
Quebec provincial police admitted Thursday that three of their officers disguised themselves as demonstrators during the protest at the North American leaders summit in Montebello, Que"
NOW PAY ATTENTION: Bush. Paraguay. Water.
do the math. exactly WHERE is that Bush property??
BlueBerry Pick'n
can be found @
ThisCanadian.com
~~~
"We, two, form a Multitude" ~ Ovid.
~~~
"Silent Freedom is Freedom Silenced"
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By killing the trees thousands of years ago, the people of the middle east turned their forests into deserts. It's quite possible we're doing the same to the rest of the planet, whether by global warming, global dimming, deforestation, or some other human-caused ecological harms. We need to stop the ecological harms that we're doing, not worry about contingency plans.
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This is kind of a side ways concern from the topic, but the media likes to talk up reducing our carbon footprint. SO eco responsible people should understand those trees that use to collect moisture from the air and CO2 and return oxygen....well they're going to be dead now nad returning all that CO2 back into the atmosphere.
But it's all in the spirit of the season isn't it. Blind and ignorants can always put responsibility off until tomorrow.
The denial continues.......
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strange.
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These days if you want a taste of reality, you have to watch it on TV!!!
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Posted by: Jimbo33 on Nov 27, 2007 10:59 AM
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And if you want to spend a great vacation then you should check in one of those great hotels which acts responsibly towards the environment.
Keyword: Ecotourism.
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Before I believe that Atlanta's drought (and it is real, I live here) is part of a "world-wide" drought, I want to see the rainfall stats for TX and the Northern states.
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Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Dec 2, 2007 8:57 PM
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burning of fossil fuels will crash along with the crash of
civilization and population. That would at least postpone the
even bigger disaster of human extinction. The bad news: YOU
should expect to be in the 99.99% that dies in a typical civilization
crash.
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