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Iran Didn't Spark a Middle East Nuclear Arms Race, It's Joining the One Israel Started

By George Monbiot, Comment Is Free. Posted December 1, 2007.


When will the US and the UK tell the truth about Israel's nuclear weapons?

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George Bush and UK Prime Minister Gordon Brown are right: there should be no nuclear weapons in the Middle East. The risk of a nuclear conflagration could be greater there than anywhere else. Any nation developing them should expect a firm diplomatic response. So when will they impose sanctions on Israel?

Like them, I believe that Iran is trying to acquire the bomb. I also believe it should be discouraged, by a combination of economic pressure and bribery, from doing so (a military response would, of course, be disastrous). I believe that Bush and Brown - who maintain their nuclear arsenals in defiance of the non-proliferation treaty - are in no position to lecture anyone else. But if, as Bush claims, the proliferation of such weapons "would be a dangerous threat to world peace", why does neither man mention the fact that Israel, according to a secret briefing by the US Defence Intelligence Agency, possesses between 60 and 80 of them?

Officially, the Israeli government maintains a position of "nuclear ambiguity": neither confirming nor denying its possession of nuclear weapons. But everyone who has studied the issue knows that this is a formula with a simple purpose: to give the United States an excuse to keep breaking its own laws, which forbid it to grant aid to a country with unauthorised weapons of mass destruction. The fiction of ambiguity is fiercely guarded. In 1986, when the nuclear technician Mordechai Vanunu handed photographs of Israel's bomb factory to the Sunday Times, he was lured from Britain to Rome, drugged and kidnapped by Mossad agents, tried in secret, and sentenced to 18 years in prison. He served 12 of them in solitary confinement and was banged up again - for six months - soon after he was released.

However, in December last year, the Israeli prime minister, Ehud Olmert, accidentally let slip that Israel, like "America, France and Russia", had nuclear weapons. Opposition politicians were furious. They attacked Olmert for "a lack of caution bordering on irresponsibility". But US aid continues to flow without impediment.

As the fascinating papers released last year by the National Security Archive show, the US government was aware in 1968 that Israel was developing a nuclear device (what it didn't know is that the first one had already been built by then). The contrast to the efforts now being made to prevent Iran from acquiring the bomb could scarcely be starker.

At first, US diplomats urged Washington to make its sale of 50 F4 Phantom jets conditional on Israel's abandonment of its nuclear programme. As a note sent from the Bureau of Near Eastern Affairs to the secretary of state in October 1968 reveals, the order would make the US "the principal supplier of Israel's military needs" for the first time. In return, it should require "commitments that would make it more difficult for Israel to take the critical decision to go nuclear". Such pressure, the memo suggested, was urgently required: France had just delivered the first of a consignment of medium range missiles, and Israel intended to equip them with nuclear warheads.

Twenty days later, on November 4 1968, when the assistant defence secretary met Yitzhak Rabin (then the Israeli ambassador to Washington), Rabin "did not dispute in any way our information on Israel's nuclear or missile capability". He simply refused to discuss it. Four days after that, Rabin announced that the proposal was "completely unacceptable to us". On November 27, Lyndon Johnson's administration accepted Israel's assurance that "it will not be the first power in the Middle East to introduce nuclear weapons".

As the memos show, US officials knew that this assurance had been broken even before it was made. A record of a phone conversation between Henry Kissinger and another official in July 1969 reveals that Richard Nixon was "very leery of cutting off the Phantoms", despite Israel's blatant disregard of the agreement. The deal went ahead, and from then on the US administration sought to bamboozle its own officials in order to defend Israel's lie. In August 1969, US officials were sent to "inspect" Israel's Dimona nuclear plant. But a memo from the state department reveals that "the US government is not prepared to support a 'real' inspection effort in which the team members can feel authorised to ask directly pertinent questions and/or insist on being allowed to look at records, logs, materials and the like. The team has in many subtle ways been cautioned to avoid controversy, 'be gentlemen' and not take issue with the obvious will of the hosts".


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George Monbiot is the author of 'Poisoned Arrows' and 'No Man's Land' (Green Books). Read more of his writings at Monbiot.com. This article originally appeared in the Guardian.

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The other nuclear weapon.
Posted by: magus65 on Dec 1, 2007 3:34 AM   
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As usual Mr Manbiot turns in a well informed and insightful article but I must disagree with his position that Iran has serious designs on obtaining a classical nuclear weapon in the near future and I believe our government is quite aware of this.

Despite the occasional inflammatory remarks by Ahmadinejad Iran remains a long way from such a feat and has been more co-operative with inspections in the past than it needs to under any international laws or treaties.

Their is however another nuclear weapon about which the Pentagon and Israel may have more legitimate concerns. The other nuclear weapon is DU - that nasty radioactive substance that is the by product of all nuclear reactors. DU rounds are arguably worth more than all of our high tech military electronics on the battlefield making mincemeat out of whatever it touches. I can't go into DU too much here so I'll assume you know something about the subject, if not Google it.

Under fire for the radioactive dust that DU spreads the Pentagon says it's safe enough to eat. I'll believe that when it's regularly sprinkled on freedom fries as a seasoning.

So the US can't say that it doesn't want Iran to have DU while touting how safe it is for the environment and of course we are not about to stop useing it ourselves.

The US has said we would accept nuclear power in Iran but not enrichment to produce the fuel for plants. This would make sense, since it would make Iran dependant upon external sources so that at least supplies of DU could be cut off in the event that a future conflict occurs.

I'll leave it to you to figure out whether we should be worried enough to go to war with Iran over a capability to produce DU weapons. It's is an immense advantage on the battlefield but it is not the same as a mushroom cloud either.

On the other hand, if the worst of fears about DU are correct and the cancer rates in Iraq seem to say they could be, we could well see those vets that return whole from the battlefield wither and die en masse from cancers over the next decade or two. Many sources say the this is already occuring. This from our OWN DU weapons.

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PS
Posted by: magus65 on Dec 1, 2007 3:41 AM   
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...and yes, Israel is an asylum for the funtionaly psychotic. Both it's nukes and DU should be taken away until it completes an approved anger mangement course.

» RE: PS Posted by: theou
Nukes for all
Posted by: rocketman on Dec 1, 2007 3:58 AM   
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Had the Aras not been hell bent on destroying a nation the UN (hence the world) had established, maybe Israel would not need Nukes. Given their situation it has surely prevented a major Arabs/Israel conflict.

Unlike Iran appears to be saying, Israel would use it, if ever , only as a last resort while Iran will most likely employ it on a number of levels, from threats to control the Gulf to lord knows what else.

The Arabs are crazy for sure!

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Nuclear weapons and stupidity
Posted by: frank69 on Dec 1, 2007 4:11 AM   
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Let's see: the US has nuclear weapons, Britain has nuclear weapons, France has nuclear weapons, Russia has nuclear weapons, Israel has nuclear weapons, China has nuclear weapons, India has nuclear weapons, Pakistan has nuclear weapons. Is that eight countries having nuclear weapons? why yes it is!
The Bush regime is threatening to attack Iran which has no nuclear weapons! This is what happens when a foolish imposter occupies OUR White House! History will call Bush the ABSOULTE WORST PRESIDENT EVER!

Iran's Mysterious ever so veiled in mystery Bomb.
Posted by: itchyvet on Dec 1, 2007 5:30 AM   
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So George agrees with the war mongers in the Whitehouse hey ?
"Like them, I believe that Iran is trying to acquire the bomb." unquote.
I wonder, whither George gets his info from, to allow him to be so certain of this.
IF, there is any truth to the allegation, where does this then leave the U.N. after all, their reports state clearly and categoricaly, that there is no evidance available to support such claims. Claims that are so similar to the Iraq debacle, we simply cannot ignore in hindsight.
I hear much noise of LEGALITIES,PRESSURE GROUPS,(vis a vis the ganging up of the European community with the U.S.)INTERNATIONAL LAW ect, ect, yet the real weird thing is, The war mongers are not called upon to produce EVIDANCE to support their claims and allegations.
I find such an ommission very concerning indeed, as if the media and good old George are prepared to consider someone GUILTY without ever seeing the evidance, I'd be scared witless if any charges were ever laid against ME under similar circumstances.
I remember with clarity, the statement made by the U.S. vice president in the case of Iraq.
"The fact that there's no evidance to prove there are WMD does not equate that they are not there", or some such nonsense, yet the MSM and many millions of others, never gave any thought to this gobbeldy gook double speak whatever, never once considering the evil to be unleashed by their complicite silence.
Are we going to repeat the crime again ?
What does that say of humanity, our morals, our laws that we like to shove down people's throats at the barrel of a gun ?
What sort of World are we creating, by even considering such situations as acceptable ?
Then we have the audacity to look in the mirror next day and ask, "why do they hate us so "?

vanunu 'facts' are in error
Posted by: wawa on Dec 1, 2007 6:22 AM   
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Vanunu has been sentenced to 6 more months in jail for his 2004 interviews, but he remains 'free' in east Jerusalem and his appeal will begin January 8, 2008.

Israel is well aware of my 2005 and 2006 video interviews that will continue to stream freely on WAWA until Vanunu is allowed to leave Israel.

In 1986 Vanunu shot two rolls of film documenting that Israel had gone nuclear. He did not develop them until 10 months later after quitting his job at the Dimona and traveling through Europe and ending up in Sydney, Australia.

Just a few days after being baptized a Christian, Mordechai Vanunu, a secular Jew and Israeli nuclear technician was lured to and kidnapped from Rome by the Mossad, drugged, clubbed and secretly transported back to Israel.


He was tried and convicted in a closed door trial of treason then spent the next 18 years of his life in prison, most all of it in solitary.


Vanunu was released to house arrest imprisonment under the draconian British Emergency Mandate regulations imposed on him when he moved out of his tomb sized cell without windows in Ashkelon prison to open air captivity in east Jerusalem on 21, April 2004.




Between 1976 and 1985, Vanunu was employed at the Negev Nuclear Research Center, which manufactures nuclear weapons underground in the Negev desert. During Vanunu's employ the sign outside read "TEXTILE PLANT" and all employees signed a form agreement to never speak to anyone of what they did underground in the Negev. Vanunu kept that promise during his employment, it was nearly a year after he left Israel did he speak to anyone about what he had learned was going on underground at the Dimona WMD plant.

Because he was a good worker, Vanunu was cross trained to work in many departments and only then, did he realize that he was but a cog in the machinery of weapons of destruction and he acted because, "I've heard the voice of my conscience and there's nowhere to hide." [Vanunu, 1987]




On the third day of my fifth journey to Israel Palestine, on July 16, 2007- which is also known as the 9th day of Av, the day the Jewish Temple was destroyed, I crossed paths with Vanunu once more, this time on Nablus Road in East Jerusalem.

Vanunu remarked, "This is the very spot where they stoned to death the first Christian martyr for freedom of speech."

Vanunu's appeal against the six month jail sentence for interviews he gave in 2004 is scheduled to be heard January 8, 2008 and we had crossed paths in front of St. Stephen's Church.

Saint Stephen was the first follower of Jesus to be stoned to death for speaking truth to power 2,000 years ago. Stephen was martyred before the term Christian was even coined.

Stephen lived in the days when those who loved Jesus were called followers of The Way; the way being in actually doing what Jesus taught; nonviolence, speak truth, seek peace and do the will of God-in a nutshell -"be just, be merciful, and walk humbly with your Lord." -Micah 6:8

Eileen Fleming, Reporter and Editor
Http://www.wearewideawake.org/
Author "Keep Hope Alive" and "Memoirs of a Nice Irish American 'Girl's' Life in Occupied Territory"
Producer "30 Minutes With Vanunu" taped 2006

more Vanunu
Posted by: wawa on Dec 1, 2007 6:29 AM   
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The night before my flight back to Florida from my first of five trips to Israel Palestine, Vanunu and I had dinner on the roof top of a restaurant in the Old City of Jerusalem where they serve the fish with skeleton and head in tact, and fries on the side.

That was when Vanunu blew my mind for I had never heard what he alluded to:

“Did you know that President Kennedy tried to stop Israel from building atomic weapons? In 1963 he forced Prime Minister Ben Gurion to admit the Dimona was not a textile plant as the sign outside proclaimed but a nuclear plant. The Prime Minister said, ‘The nuclear reactor is only for peace.’

“Kennedy insisted on an open internal inspection. He wrote letters demanding Ben Gurion to open up the Dimona for inspection. The French were responsible for the actual building of the Dimona. The Germans gave the money; they were feeling guilty for the holocaust and tried to pay their way out. Everything inside was written in French when I was there, almost twenty years ago. Back then the Dimona descended 7 floors underground.

“In 1955 Perez and Gurion met with the French to agree they would get a nuclear reactor if they fought against Egypt to control the Sinai and Suez Canal. That was the war of 1956. Eisenhower demanded that Israel leave the Sinai but the reactor plant deal continued on. Kennedy demanded inspections. When Johnson became president he made an agreement with Israel that two senators would come every year to inspect. Before the senators would visit the Israeli’s would build a wall to block the underground elevators and stairways. From 1963 to ‘69, the senators came but they never knew about the wall that hid the rest of the Dimona from them. Nixon stopped the inspections and agreed to ignore the situation. As a result, Israel increased production. In 1986 there were over 200 bombs. Today they may have enough plutonium for 10 bombs a year. Who knows?”

Not until the WAWA Blog of November 22, 2007: "Thanksgiving Day: JFK, Israel, Vanunu, Tom Paine and Doing Something" did I write what Vanunu also said:

"Israel was behind the assassination of US President John F. Kennedy, because he was exerting pressure on Ben-Gurion to open up the Dimona nuclear plant."


WAWA:
http://www.wearewideawake.org/

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Citations please
Posted by: robchapman on Dec 1, 2007 6:37 AM   
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This author quotes, mysterious and unspecified, "secret documents" as the basis of a potentially libelous allegation.

The physics in this matter indicate against the thesis that Israel has between 60 and 80 secret atomic bombs. The detonation devices, the amount of fissile material needed to make an a-bomb and the shielding and the structural metal needed to make the device stable through launching indicate that these would be rather obvious and hard to hide devices.

They may well be hidden from the average laymen, but students, scientists, engineers, businessmen with technical backgrounds, soldiers, even workers with an informed interest in munitions and such matters would be aware of the devices and the facilities where they were manufactured and stored.

Israel is an open society and a small country. It is full of tourists, students and foreign businessmen. All manner of amateur archaeologists and historians tour all over the country to visit the areas associated with the religions and the crusades. Since there have been a great many discoveries of important religious texts and artifacts in remote areas, one can reasonably infer that the entire country is continually being combed by people alertly looking for relics.

Under these conditions how could Israel hide the development and deployment of a nuclear force of the magnitude cited in this article?

Now I am not claiming that it is impossible for the IDF to do this- instead I am saying that it is very improbable.

In making his assertion this author should have cited precisely which documents he used. In that way he would provide critical readers the opportunity to review these documents.

By not citing the documents, the author has provided the government an opportunity to redact the documents before public demand for them provides protection against such action.

Unfortunately, such sloppy journalistic habits are becoming the norm for left-wing anti-war writers.

As my objections show, without precise documentation to support the claims he makes, a lay reader may very easily dismiss him as alarmist and anti-Israeli.

Robert Chapman
Lansing, NY

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» RE: Anti-Semitism vs Anti-Isreal Posted by: nightgaunt
An example of functional racism
Posted by: robchapman on Dec 1, 2007 7:05 AM   
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and yes, Israel is an asylum for the funtionaly psychotic. Both it's nukes and DU should be taken away until it completes an approved anger mangement course.

This statement is outright hate speech, whether the author has "good" intentions or not.

Israel is a normal country and its citizenry should not be subjected to such abuse.

Robert Chapman
Lansing, NY

Great fun
Posted by: willymack on Dec 1, 2007 7:30 AM   
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I remember an old cartoon strip called Winnie Winkle. One of the characters was Denny Dimwit. In one strip, Denny was shown two coins by several people, one a nickle, and the other, a dime. When asked by these people which one he wanted, he replied:"Duh; I'll take the big one". Winnie arrived at the scene , and upon witnessing what she perceived to be a cruel joke on Denny, she asked:"Why do you keep taking nickles? Don't you know dimes are worth twice as much"? Denny answered:"Sure, but if I took the dime, they'd quit asking". Mr. Amadinajad is having the time of his life creating the impression among our people that he's a homicidal halfwit with total control over Iran, when neither is true.

Rocketman for Ayatollah
Posted by: robchapman on Dec 1, 2007 7:32 AM   
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Rocketman may want to consider that Iran's neighboring countries are Russia to the north, Afghanistan to the east, the Persian Gulf to the south and Iraq in the west.

With American naval forces on the Gulf and American expeditionary forces in Iraq and Afghanistan, Iran has forces of a hostile superpower on three of its borders.

If Rocketman were an Iranian, he would probably be vehemently opposed to his government's consideration of a nuclear weapons program in the face of this threat.

No doubt Rocketman, as an Iranian, would demand an immediate surrender to Bush and the American "Democracy Offensive," that makes the stationing of American forces in the middle east necessary.

We can be certain that as patriotic and hard-boiled as Rocketman is, that, as an Iranian, he would denounce the Ayatollahs, establish a local chapter of Promise-Keepers and take his kids to Disney World as a reward.

Too bad we can't send good old Rocketman to Teheran to get things straightened out over there.

In the meantime, he will hang with us here and continue to make it tougher to understand and deal realistically with the problems stemming from our over-reliance on oil.

Sometimes democracy is such a bear.

When You Take from Others You Have to Keep Bullying Them
Posted by: sofla100 on Dec 1, 2007 7:36 AM   
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The Israeli strategy is rooted in the desire to develop nukes from day one. This rationale is rooted in the fact that Israeli took the lands and resources of the Palestinian peoples when she was founded, and Israeli knows these peoples will keep fighting till they get the land back or just compensation. This is the way it is if somebody or a government takes or steals your land and your resources. Now, Israeli could find a way to end this. Even for the Palestinians, they recognize it is a done deal that Israeli exists. But, the settlers could leave and Israeli could compensate the Palestinian people. This would cost, fairly, perhaps several hundred billion dollars. But, the conflict would end, and all the money Israeli and the USA spend on her "defense" could be saved and Israeli would no longer need nukes. This would be better than just having to act like a bully all the time to stop people from trying to get their land back.

» But How to Stop the Bleeding? Posted by: sofla100
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REALIST
Posted by: RODNOX on Dec 1, 2007 8:02 AM   
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ITS PRETTY OBVIOUS THAT ISRAEL IS A TERRORIST NATION----BASICALLY A US ENTITY----SINCE THE USA WONT BE HONEST ABOUT ANYTHING CONCERNING THE MIDEAST, MOST PEOPLE THINK OH POOR VICTIM ISRAEL-----NOT THE CASE --WITHOUT ISRAELS INFLUENCE IN OUR GOVT AND OUR CRIMINAL OUT POURING OF MONEY AND WEAPONS TO THEM THE MIDEAST WOULD NOT BE A PROBLEM----OUR COUNTRY HAS AGAIN IN ALL THEIR DISTURBEB -TWISTED WISDOM--CREATED A MAJOR WORLD PROBLEM--AND AGAIN AS USUAL BEEN ABLE THROUGH CORRUPTED MEDIA--BEEN ABLE TO BAMBOOZLE MOST INTO BELIEVING THEM.

dick
Posted by: rtmyth on Dec 1, 2007 8:25 AM   
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God commanded Israel to kill all its' neighbors.The USA is doing it for them. Note the Israel Lobby has just ordered Bush to recind the UN resolution on peace negotiations for Palestine in 2008. Israel does not want a peaceful settlement but more war, in accordance with God's orders.

» RE: dick Posted by: Turiye
Who loses if Israel uses its nukes?
Posted by: colinmeister on Dec 1, 2007 8:38 AM   
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1. The United States of America. 2. Every other advanced nation.

If Israel uses "Nucular" (as GWB calls them) weapons against Arab countries, or Iran, a lot of the oil will dry up - who will work in a radioactive wasteland? The vast increase in the price of oil will bankrupt most industrialised nations.

It is in America's interest to lean on Israel to sign the NPT and allow INEA inspections.

Iran is NOT a terrorist state, but Israel & the US are.
Posted by: PGx on Dec 1, 2007 9:15 AM   
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Overall an excellent article. But Mr. Monbiot feels compelled to pay obeisance to the status quo and forces of political correctness. To wit:

Yes, Iran under Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is a dangerous and unpredictable state involved in acts of terror abroad.

What terrorism has Iran committed recently? How is Iran dangerous? To whom? It's own citizens? Sure. To the USA? I don't think so. To Israel? Not likely. As far as we know, Iran has not committed any acts of terrorism since the taking of the US hostages at the Iranian Embassy approx. 28-years ago. What Iran has done is provide money to Hamas & Hezbollah. Perhaps that is a form of "terrorism" by extension. But that pales in comparison to acts of the U.S. & Israel.

Both "extremist" groups cited above are the result of brutal Israeli invasion and occupation of other people's land (West Bank, Gaza & Lebanon). Blowing up Israeli men, women and children on a bus or in a pizza parlor is a horrific and heinous crime, for sure. So is, killing 1000 civilians in Lebanon and destroying that country's infrastructure. So is killing untold thousands of innocent Palestinians over the years in the West Bank and Gaza with helicopter gunships, tanks and other military armament. Remember the Liberty? Don't worry, no one else does either. Of course, they don't remember it, because they never even heard of it.

The U.S. illegally invaded and destroyed Iraq on completely false pretenses. Sadly, Israel and the U.S. are the real terrorists. But, then again, we Americans are indifferent and blind to the faults of our own nation. But that won't get us off the hook. What goes around, comes around. It's only a question of time.

Nukes For Israel Are To Dominate the Region, Domination Lost if Iran Gets Them
Posted by: sofla100 on Dec 1, 2007 10:00 AM   
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When it comes to nukes, if they are ever used, everyone loses. They have no value in actual use, they are just doomsday devices. The value they have however is from having them and never using them. They are meant, as with Israel having them, to intimidate and control other countries. The disparity being most apparent with Israel having them and not Iran. This disparity is lost, however, when Iran gets them. Understand this, the argument is not about the exporting by Iran of nukes if they ever get them. How would Iran even know exported nukes wouldn't be used against them by a fringe group? They are likely to control nukes just as tightly as the USA. However, the reason Israel and the USA are so upset is the loss of power that Iranian nukes would represent, the hegemony in the region for America/Israel would be diminished. This is what it is all about.

Yes, but...
Posted by: umrayya on Dec 1, 2007 11:32 AM   
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Where is the evidence that Iran has joined the nuclear arms race at all?! So far there is absolutely none, despite a determined effort, at least on the part of the Bush administration, to find some evidence - any evidence, real or fake - there is only speculation.

Unfortunately, George, and with a great deal of respect, by your assumption that Iran IS in fact developing its nuclear program with weapons in mind, you have played right into the hands of the Israeli/Bush regime war mongers. I am familiar enough with your work to know that this is far from your intention.

This looks like carelessness and lack of forethought on your part. You could have done this piece without providing ammunition for the "bomb, bomb, bomb Eye ran" crowd!

No surprise
Posted by: Nick on Dec 1, 2007 2:10 PM   
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just look at american congress,
this is a knesset not a congress

Israel Only Understands Power
Posted by: sofla100 on Dec 1, 2007 5:14 PM   
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You think if Lebanon had nukes Israel would have invaded her? You think if Syria had nukes the Israeli Air Force would be bombing her? See, all that crap would have to stop. Israel, however, wants the right to invade sovereign states at her own discretion and her own whim. With the Palestinians, Israel routinely kidnaps citizens it considers "undesirables," for special treatment by Mossad. Israel gets away with what she can, same thing with the illegal settlements. Power is the only thing she understands. Iran gets nukes, the option to invade at whim, make demands, is flushed away.

» So who doesn't? Posted by: yellow
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JFK assassination
Posted by: mountainsrock on Dec 1, 2007 5:17 PM   
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"Israel was behind the assassination of US President John F. Kennedy, because he was exerting pressure on Ben-Gurion to open up the Dimona nuclear plant." (wawa)
Wow, a light bulb suddenly went off in my head, this makes a lot of sense. How convenient that Lee Harvey Oswald was shot.
Wonder if they got to Robert Kennedy, too.
Mordechai Vanunu deserves a Nobel peace prize, the people imprisoning him for all these years deserve life in prison, every one of them.

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The Perils of Endless Victimhood
Posted by: sofla100 on Dec 1, 2007 7:50 PM   
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Israel simply has to get past the holocaust mentality if she is ever to be a "normal nation." The hyper militarism, nukes, taking out on the Palestinians and the Arabs what Hitler did to the Jews over half a century ago, is just plain nonsense. Let's get past the mentality and the culture of endless victimhood. Unfortunately, some Jews encourage and support this endless victimhood, and it is baked into the fabric of Israeli society. It is used to justify Israeli atrocities and then used (against those who complain of Israeli action) by accusing them of anti-semitism. In reality, Jews are just another group among dozens of other minority groups. Why the big deal and the exaggerated need for "specialness." Everyone else has to get along, so why not Israel.

» I would say Nonsensical Posted by: yellow
» RE: I would say Nonsensical Posted by: dwilliamsamh
Only one line needed to answer: Never. NT
Posted by: dwilliamsamh on Dec 2, 2007 11:55 AM   
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The US acts in the best interests of Israel to the exclusion of all other interests. Inexplicably this principle is true even in regard to the best interests of the U.S., Israel come first.

Rising Anti-Semitism Claim: Because People Don't Buy Myth of Endless Jewish Persecution and Israel
Posted by: sofla100 on Dec 2, 2007 4:54 PM   
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An earlier poster tried to claim anti-semitism is on the rise. Oh really, where is it on the rise and how so? Yes, a few years back some Synagogue here and there might have had some graffiti posted on it. I believe there was one in France. Crimes by the way instantly investigated by the Police and Special Hate Crimes Units along with the Jewish Defense League, and Anti-Defamation League of course. Want to say the Holocaust never happened?, in many European nations, including Britain and Germany, that would put you in jail. So, tell me, what persecution of the Jews or for that matter, what government program anywhere is persecuting the Jews? The answer: none whatsoever. Yet, the everything for Israel crowd needs to keep trying to revive the continued persecution of the Jews myth, to keep itself in business. Of course, also, they target anyone who does not agree with Israel, along with disagreeing with her illegal settlements, invasions of sovereign countries like Lebanon and refusal to fairly reconcile with the Palestinians. I suppose this is the crowd that we are to believe represents the "rising anti-semitism." Anybody who disagrees with Israel and AIPAC. And, by the way, if you want to find a group persecuted in modern day times under official government auspices, look at the USA and how it rounded up Arabs and Muslims after 911. Even though it was USA and her endless unconditional support of Israel that created the "fertile grounds" that led to the rise of Osama and his crowd in the first place.

Anti-Semitism is on the Rise but many remain ignorant of it.
Posted by: yellow on Dec 2, 2007 7:46 PM   
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In 2000, at the start of the second Intifada in Israel, France with its large Muslim population became the site of rising violent anti-semitism. Over 100 incidents of synagague burnings and physical attacks on Jews took place in October alone!! By 2001, the number of such incidents rose to 350. In 2002, the attackes persisted.

In 2003, there was the bombing of the Neve Shalom Synagogue in Istanbul, Turkey with 57 deaths and 300 injured. In Buenos Aires, the Bombing of the DAIA building, a Jewish cultural center, killing dozens occured in 1994. Since then thousands of violent incidents have occured against Argentina's small Jewish community of 200,000 people.

There is much more than just this. It is getting worse.

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Posted by: yellow on Dec 3, 2007 4:59 AM   
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I know you're mostly rednecks and the like but if you were Jews you'd be the biggest supporters of Israel. The reason is simple, just look into your own hate filled cracker hearts.