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The End of America? Naomi Wolf Thinks It Could Happen

By Don Hazen, AlterNet. Posted November 21, 2007.


An interview with author Naomi Wolf, whose new book, "The End of America: Letter of Warning to a Young Patriot," may confirm your worries about democracy in America.
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If you think we are living in scary times, your worst fears may be confirmed by reading Naomi Wolf's newest book, The End of America: Letter of Warning to a Young Patriot. In it, Wolf proves the old axiom that history does repeat itself. Or more accurately, history occurs in patterns, and in order to understand where our country is today and where it is headed, we need to read the history books.

Wolf began by diving into the early years leading up to fascist regimes, like the ones led by Hitler and Mussolini. And the patterns that she found in those, and others all over the world, made her hair stand on end. In "The End of America," she lays out the 10 steps that dictators (or aspiring dictators) take in order to shut down an open society. "Each of those ten steps is now under way in the United States today," she writes.

If we want an open society, she warns, we must pay attention and we must fight to protect democracy.

I met with Wolf to discuss what she learned while researching this book, how the American public has received her warnings, and what we can do to squelch the fascist narratives we are fed in this country each day.

Don Hazen: Let's take up a big question first -- your fears about the upcoming U.S. presidential election and what the historical blue print about fascist takeovers shows in terms of elections.

Naomi Wolf: We would be naive given the historical patterns to have hope that there's going to be a transparent, accountable election in 2008. There are various ways the blueprint indicates how events are much more likely to play out. Historically, the months leading up to the national election are likely to be unstable.

What classically happens is either there will be a period of provocation, and we have a history of this in the United States -- agitators who are dressed as or act like activist voter registration workers, anti-war marchers ... but who engage in actual violence, torch property, assault police officers. And that scares people. People are much less likely to vote for change when they're scared, and it gives them the excuse to crack down.

In addition, I'm concerned about the 2007 Defense Authorization Act, which makes it much easier for the president to declare martial law.

DH: Are you saying that they keep on adding coercive laws for no apparent reason?

NW: Yes. Why amend the law so systematically? Why do you need to make martial law easier? Another thing historical blueprints underscore is the hyped threat; intelligence will be spun or exaggerated, and sometimes there are faked documents like Plan Z with Pinochet in Chile.

DH: Plan Z?

NW:Yes, Plan Z. Pinochet, when he was overthrowing the Democratic government of Chile, told Chilean citizens that there was going to be a terrible terrorist attack, with armed insurgents. Now there were real insurgents, there was a real threat, but then he produces what he called Plan Z, which were fake papers claiming that these terrorists were going to assassinate all these military leaders at once.

And this petrified Chileans so much that they didn't stand up to fight for their democracy. So it's common to take a real threat and hype it. And close to an election it's very common to invoke a hype threat and scare people so much that they will not want to have a transparent election.

Americans have this very wrong idea about what a closed society looks like. Many despots make it a point to try to hold the elections, but they're corrupted elections. Corrupted elections take place all over the world in closed societies. Ninety-nine percent of Austrians voted yes for the annexation by Germany, because the SA were standing outside the voting booths, intimidating the voters and people counting the vote. So you can mess with the process.

One current warning sign is the e-mails that the White House is not yielding about the attorney general scandal. The emails are likely to show that there were plans afoot to purge all of the attorneys at once, like overnight. And then to let the country deal with the shock.

Now that's something that Goebbels did in 1933 in April, overnight. He fired everyone, focusing on lawyers and judges who were not a supporter of the regime. So you can still have elections ... in an outcome like that. If that had happened, if the bloggers and others actually hadn't helped to identify the U.S. attorney scandal, and they had been successful and fired them all, our election situation would be different.

Basically we'd still have an election, but it is possible the outcome would be predetermined because it's the U.S. attorneys that monitor what voting rights groups do, what is legal and who can decide the outcome of elections.

DH: Well there's a lot of activity currently in terms of the Justice Department aimed at purging voters ... reducing voter rolls ... that's an ongoing battle to try to keep voters eligible. Conservatives are always trying to reduce the electorate. By the way, are you familiar with Naomi Klein's book The Shock Doctrine: The Rise of Disaster Capitalism?


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Thank you Naomi
Posted by: Mr. Terrific on Nov 21, 2007 12:41 AM   
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I enjoyed the speech you gave at the university regarding this issue that I reviewed on video here. You are obviously a loving brave woman. Unforunately the horrors that this country has committed under the Bush administration will never be forgotten!

There are now aproximately 1 MILLION dead Iraqis because of the policies of this country, its Neo-Con Jews whom orchestrated it along with the Christian right, AIPAC, The Project for a New American Century and the other NGOs, the Military Industrial Complex, Israel, Blackwater, the multinationals, and the Mass media, along with all of the individual Americans whom still support Bush & Company! They are all guilty of war crimes to me. In a Just World, they should all individually be tried for Crimes Against Humanity!

Those whom support this evil, sick and twisted display of foreign power, are as evil as those whom wield the power! In the end, ramifications will be in order. For the Nazis it was Nuremburg. For the Neo-Cons, who knows. I for one though know that when they do pay for their actions, I will not shed one tear for them. I will however save that moment for my children and their children to see.

As a black male living in the U.S., I have seen much evil and pain, and like most sane people, I am sick of it but defenseless to do anything much about it. However I absolutely refused to wave idiotic flags, pump up my chest, and spew out garbage about "Supporting the Troops and Our Country."

The "troops" did not come up with the idea to rape and pillage the nation of Iraq! It was the Neo-Cons and their Puppet masters who did and there is no way in hell I will "support" them!

Terrific

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I am so in love
Posted by: vox persona on Nov 21, 2007 1:54 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I recently saw Naomi Wolf in a good long interview on C-SPAN, and it was GREAT. I'd watch her every day if I could (and not just because she's cute as a button). She expounded in depth on her 'blueprint' theory, and how we are sliding faster and faster into American fascism. I wish she and Naomi Klein co-hosted a political talk show, an hour a day. They could either have neoCon guests on and skewer them, or have Sheen/Baldwin/Sarandon/Geer types and have a lovefest. Or mix it up and have true debates, the Naomis would win every time. Either way, it would be entertaining.

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Amazing
Posted by: ArtemInox on Nov 21, 2007 3:12 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Excellent interview. Too bad the subject is so scary. I can't think of any good outcomes to such a scenario being where she says it is. Part of me thinks 230 years without a major change in government is damn good, read that same history and it is obvious most states don't last too long. And nothing goes on forever. Except cycles. Call it fatalist, defeatist, whatever name seems to fit.

But if you really think about it, what mass of the governed in history stepped up and stopped a tryannical government from taking over? It is only afterwards, after years of abuse and death. Sometimes when the rotteness of such a warped gov't is no longer sustainable and destroys itself.

I can't think of any. Anyone else think of an example?
http://www.addictedtoaggravation.com/

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"War on Drugs" lead the way
Posted by: matti on Nov 21, 2007 3:24 AM   
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I've read Wolf's book, and I'd recommend it highly to those who are a bit shaky on the history of democratic and fascist movements.

I think of it as sort of "primer" on the subject- particularly those unfortunate Young People who derive the Majority of their Historical Knowledge from what they were told in the Public School System.

So of course, I realize that "The War on Drugs" is outside of the scope and intention of the book. I would just like to remind those in the know, and point out to those who will be surprised by the info in wolfs tome, that:

The first "outcast class" in the United States to feel the boot of the current "fascist shift" where, in fact, the purveyors and utilizers of the various chemical substances and naturally growing plants and fungi that are called "illegal drugs".

If I'm not entirely mistaken, Wolf does refer to the "paramilitarization" of the formerly "police" forces under the cover of the Drug War.


But there are also:


The so-called Prison Industrial Complex,

~(the socially-acceptable infrastructure for jailing a significant portion of the population required in any "control" State)


The designation of one form of plant extract(cocaine)as illegal, while encouraging the use of other extracts from the SAME PLANT (novacane, etc.), and the designation of a useful, but unregulatable and resiliant plant as illegal(cannabis)BOTH done for the benefit of elites and hierarchical structures,

~(the arbitrary or near arbitrary "criminalization" of activities not conducted with the blessing of the State or through the machinery of the State),


And lastly (for my post length is limited, not because there are no more examples) the desecration of the 4th and 6th Amendments to the Constitution, with the tacit or expressed approval of the Majority.

~(the Voluntary Removal of Fundamental Rights in Special Cases such as the Sanctity of the Home, and Due Process of Law, needed in what to expand Wolf's terms we might call the "prologue to the Fascist Shift", in order to set up a Social Straucture that is ripe for the Suspension of Rights of foreigners, the politically malcontent, or cultural minorities, that happens at the start of the "Fascist Shift Proper")



Once again, none of the above is intended to take away from the excellence of Wolf's book, which I regard as Necessary To Own and Required Reading for those wishing to "see through the veil" of our "Normalizing" Tele-Culture.

On the Contrary, it is intended as "Further Recommended Thought Paths" to those who have already absorbed and "come to grips" with the historical "echoes" in Wolf's Book.


My only REAL nit-pick is her use (in the Title and Throughout) of "America" to refer to the United States OF America (the Nation-State she is ACTUALLY writing about).

I know this makes me an annoying pedant, but it really does irk me. Maybe if we started calling things what they ARE, we would realize how wrong we are in refering to our governmental system as DEMOCRACY (which it certainly is not NOW, never was Intended to BE, and never WAS).

Then, if we find that we still desire something more Truly Democratic, we could perhaps work to bring it about, as stridently as we have pretended it was already here.


That's it though, other than that the Book is Fan-fuckin'-Tastic.


Oh, and the Author's a Sexy, Smart, Women named WOLF!, fer crissakes. Howoooooo!

-matti

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The Two Naomis
Posted by: Urstrly on Nov 21, 2007 3:51 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Thanks to you, Naomi Wolfe, and to Naomi Klein I now have a world view that makes sense of all that is going on, and it's terrifying.

Having seen the 2004 election up close (I got involved after listening to Mark Crispin Miller who saw this coming) I would say that the Democratic Party, the unions and even groups organized against voter fraud, like Election Protection, didn't have a handle on what the Republicans were up to.

I see no signs that they're doing any better this time. The Democratic candidates blather on about health care and toys from China and how long it might take to get out of Iraq while ignoring the Constitutional prerogative to impeach these guys and even to call them on their blatant grabs for executive power.

The major difference between now and all those other fascist regimes is that those who could oppose ours are tuned in to highly paid consultants who warn them off of anything "extreme" and direct. Edwards, who speaks to economic interests, doesn't say enough about the root causes; Dodd promised to filibuster but only narrowly. They all act as though it's going to be a fair fight, while anyone who looks at the Republican field could tell you they're up against a bunch of right-wing demagogues with a talent for suppression and the will to do whatever it takes.

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It Can't Happen Here....But Seriously, folks!
Posted by: Tom Degan on Nov 21, 2007 4:03 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
We ignore Naomi Wolf at our own peril. All the pieces are in place for an overthrow of the United States Constitution. If you have a friend or relation who thinks that all of this talk about facism and compaisons to Hitler is nothing more then left-wing, liberal paranoia, ask him or her where he or she gets his or her news (That was an interesting sentence, wasn't it?) The answer will be FOX News. I guarantee it.

Are we at the point of no return? In exactly fourteen months, which will be the first full day of the next administration, wh should have the answer. Of course, the landscape does not look at all promising. Although two thirds of the American people are smart enough to realize that the Bush Mob is doing a terrible job at administering affairs of state, the overwhelming majority of them are totally ignorant as to the very real danger this nightmare of an administration poses to our freedoms. The fact that so many of them are more interested in the latest Brittany/Paris scandal du jour does not bode well.

On that happy note....

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
Remembering RFK 1925=1968

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Freedom fries with that...
Posted by: maxfactor on Nov 21, 2007 4:11 AM   
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Look at France and see how neocons are treated when people are alert and policies are not what they promised.
Strikes first, 2 months after election. Run on the bastille is next.

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A Good Interview
Posted by: gdonald on Nov 21, 2007 4:28 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I was impressed with the interview. Naomi didn't play the political blame card blaming one party over another. The Blame card is just a divisive way of keeping the people entertained and high on emotions. Naomi kept that from happening. She understands that the average common american whether democrat, republican, conservative or liberal, libertarian or what ever party ideology, we are all at risk and to fix this problem we have to realize that now is not the time for political ideologies but a time to put the Constitution and our Bill of Rights first and fight as one for these documents because if we loose them, no political ideology will matter one bit. While I haven't read her book, I am certainly aware of just how quickly the United States is becoming fascist.

It is heartening to know that she see's conservatives, liberals, libertarians, pretty much the whole make up of various political ideologies waking up to what is happening. Of course any true hstorian can tell you that this fascism didn't start after 9-11-01 but actually during the Civil War. 9-11-01 just sped up the process into high gear because we have two very dangerous men in the Whitehouse with other politicians and bureaucrats willing to help them.

It really is going to have to be we the people who correct this and do it now while we still can because our Congress has already proven it has not the courage or the ability to reverse the course. In fact both parties are pushing forward with new legislations all the time that destroy our civil liberties with neither side willing to end the assault. Oh they talk tough but their vote says it all.

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Counting Down the Days
Posted by: LeaderofMen on Nov 21, 2007 4:39 AM   
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It's been clear and evident for years now that the Decline and Fall of the US is happening before our very eyes.

Bush's twice-occupation of the WH is evidence that we are in total freefall. Let's not forget the architect of this disaster: Karl Rove. He was the mastermind behind this synergistic equation: Bush (the moron), fundie Christians (who love myth far more than reality), a cadre of ill-prepared lawyers (Patrick Henry U.), Bush's cabinet who are nothing but Yes-men and women, the Republican Congress who writes blank checks, the total ignoring of domestic policy in favor of foreign policy, Bush and Cheney crying wolf on a monthly basis, the PNAC who is the foundation and catalyst for our current stance in the world - which includes quite a few of the PNAC signers - who are regulars in DC.

It all adds up. Voters are unable to vote in their best interests because they have only Fox News at their disposal. Without an educated electorate you CAN NOT have a democracy. We are living in that proof. Voters regularly refuse to vote their best interests in favor of what so-called journalists on TV tell them. Listening to people who have no facts and acting on them like blind/deaf animals is like children who are about to be kidnapped. And we've been kidnapped.

And now you have a continuation of these elements in place. The war in Iraq is still being massively funded, Bush will not listen to the voters or to Congress, the Dems continue to cave on every single issue the voters are against. Bush puts his signature on signing statements telling us 'Fuck YOU' to every law passed by Congress, it is far easier now to declare martial law than at any time in our collective past, the price of oil holds us hostage - and will make us even more of a hostage as time goes by due to Bush's negligence, and last, but not least HILLARY CLINTON is vying for his spot in the WH.

The perfect storm continues and is getting stronger. Here's why:

Hillary Clinton's nomination will be the turning point for gun-toting, Bible-thumping, NASCAR-watching voters. They hate her more than they hate those gays. If you go to conservative blogs (which I do) you'll see that the most often used phrasing of conservative bloggers is 'Liberals hate Bush so much. Why are they so filled with hate?'. This is called PROJECTION. It is a well-known and established psychological disturbance that causes all kinds of problems.

Neocons hate Hillary more than they hate anything else in the world. They will stop at NOTHING to prevent her and Bill from occupying the WH. Read their blogs. Blood practically spews from their eyes when they write about how much they hate Hillary.

This election will be stolen precisely like the last two. The 2006 election of Dems was an anomaly and it shows. After all, there aren't enough of them to do any good. Neocons all over the US are gearing up to prevent Hillary from becoming POTUS. You can be assured that leading up to Nov. 2008 a great deal of hand-wringing will ensue making sure that people vote for a CONTINUATION OF THE SAME rather than change.

The American Experiment is over.

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Willybill
Posted by: WILLYBILLO7 on Nov 21, 2007 5:33 AM   
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There's still time..it's up to YOU........


This is your chance to take a stand for your country.......



A Ballot for a People’s Referendum


The United States government is broken beyond repair, completely and totally under the control of business and non-responsive to the will of the American Citizen. Our rights guaranteed under the Constitution have been ignored and dissolved. We are engaged in a war that the majority of the People do not support. Our children and Iraqi children are being poisoned with depleted uranium and slaughtered. Our Veterans are being ignored and abused. Innocent Citizens of the World are being tortured under our name. Our environment is being destroyed. Monumental catastrophes in our country have been ignored. The system of elections has been corrupted. Our children are being denied health care. The illegal Federal Reserve System has stolen trillions of dollars from our economy and its laborers. The integrity, honor and spirit of the American People have been forever scarred.

It is long past time to take back this United States from the corporations who have become the government.

It is time to re-establish and refresh the original content and spirit of the Constitution of the United States of America.

This is a call to all True Americans to awaken from the nightmare that pervades our land….to create a new dream…..a dream based on truth, honor, integrity and real equality.

This ballot is the beginning.



DO YOU BELIEVE THIS GOVERNMENT…..EXECUTIVE, LEGISLATIVE AND JUDICIAL SHOULD BE RECALLED…..DISSOLVED AND A NEW GOVERNMENT ELECTED DIRECTLY BY THE AMERICAN PEOPLE?

PLEASE CHECK “YES” OR “NO’


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Really Scary
Posted by: redbird30328 on Nov 21, 2007 6:13 AM   
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What scares me most about the posts to this article is the prospect of people like you ever being in the majority in this country. That would, in fact, be the end of our democracy. The tactics that you condemn in your articles and posts are the very ones that you, in fact, actually advocate and would ruthlessly employ if you were ever in power. Look in the mirror. Thankfully, you still comprise a lunatic fringe as evidenced by the amount of attention (or lack thereof) the democrat party pays to you.

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America is eroding away
Posted by: rlasner@tampabay.rr.com on Nov 21, 2007 6:38 AM   
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Limiting our rights is the 1st step to a complete dictatorship. My right to vote is being denies by the Democratic Party. I live in Florida and I have been told by the DNC my vote will not be counted. Clearly, we are well on our way to a goverment above and beyond the people.

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TOO MANY PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Nov 21, 2007 7:16 AM   
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Many people don't see the damage that's been done over the last 6 yrs. Half of them don't vote anyway, Iraq is something they see on TV, the liars in the administration don't phase them,they live cocoon style and ignore what seems distasteful. We have to find a way to wake them up before we can get them to read a book. If that we left to me gas would be $6-7 a gal. Then we would have their attention. Right now "everybody's busy". Thanks, ANNA

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» Noble, but... Posted by: matti
planting the seeds of Fascism
Posted by: surfreality on Nov 21, 2007 7:26 AM   
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Maybe the first "seed" was Santa Clara vs. Union Pacific; the Supreme Court in 1886 ruled that corporations enjoyed the same rights as natural persons under the 14th amendment. Fascism, to my mind is the unholy alliance of corporate and government power. By becoming "citizens" with human rights corporations became free to engage in the political process as if they were people equal to any other voice... the problem being of course is that they are not human beings with hearts and minds, they are profit machines whose primary goal is to maximize shareholder value. And their resources to effect political change are far vaster than the average citizen's.

Revolutions bring about wholesale change. Counter-revolutions come about incrementally.
Like cutting a salami we lose what was ours one slice at a time.

Here are a few of the latest signs of American fascism:

Free speech zones.
Warrant-less wiretapping
torture (it can happen to you)
rendition (it can happen to anyone)
repeal of Habeus Corpus
politicization of the JD
terror alerts for political purposes
presidential signing statements to void laws
institutional executive branch secrecy (a rejection of congressional or judicial oversight)
media consolidation
corporate authorship of government policy and corporate oversight of said policy
Most of the above was true for Germany in 1933.

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Parties, Media hope Paul will disappear
Posted by: ronheri on Nov 21, 2007 7:36 AM   
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Little mention has been made in the media regarding Ron Paul's supporters donating more than 4 million dollars on Nov. 5th. Both parties, Democrat and Republican, and their propaganda mouthpieces, the major news outlets, are hoping he will disappear for lack of exposure. We are slipping into a fascist police state, where no dissent will be allowed. If we do manage to hold a presidential election next year (without the Diebold electronic voting machines), I hope and pray that the voters have the opportunity to hear Ron Paul's message: No more undeclared wars; a stable currency (not the worthless green coupons), and the restoration of our Constitution. This may well be our last chance. Ron Heringhauser

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Has Wolf Changed Her MInd?
Posted by: goldmarx on Nov 21, 2007 7:37 AM   
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Since Naomi Wolf now professes interest in what the Nazis did in the immediate aftermath of their taking power, it might "interest" her to know that on February 23, 1933, the Nazi rump Parliament banned pornography (as well as gay rights organizations) throughout Germany.

In the "Beauty Myth", Wolf identified her sympathies as being with Dworkin and MacKinnon, who advocated a bit more circuitous route to the same goal.

Well, what does she think now? Don, you should have asked her that!

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While we slept
Posted by: sausage on Nov 21, 2007 7:41 AM   
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About 25 years ago I was stuck in a deadend, minimum wage, retail job that meant I had little or no socialy life. So being a single man without a love-life to speak of, like so many males in a similar situation, I drifted into comic book fandom.

I joined the local comic book club, wrote for the monthly fanzine and wrote and drew a couple of fanzine comix. One of comix I wrote and drew was inspired by John David Hinkey's attempted assissination of Ronald Reagan; it proved to be the most popular and requested issue of our little fanzine.

So we fanzine co-editors...and you got to remember we were in the depths of the Reagan administration...what to do for a follow-up. Now this was shortly after Reagan soundly defeated Walter Mondale in the '84 election. The specter of fascism was on the land, so I suggested we do a comic showing how fascism takes over a society. I knew enough about Hitler's rise to power in 1930s Germany to recognize the symptoms of fascism in Reagan's America.

But "What's Fascism, Daddy?" never got done. I got a job at the Post Office and the comic book club kind of drifted apart anyway.

But in 1992 we all thought the fascist turn the United States had been taking during Reagan's administration was a thing of the past. That Bill Clinton would set things right.

How wrong we were.

Bill Clinton and his political philosophy of "triangulation" is merely fascism-lite. On a personal level, working conditions at the Postal Service actually got worse during the Clinton administration than when I started when Reagan was still in office. Working conditions continue to erode to this day. This is a pattern observable not only in the public sector but the few remaining private manufacturing unions shops as well. Weakening labor unions is one of the hallmarks of a fascist takeover.

Even if a Democratic president is elected next year, happy days will not be here again. The only solution I can see, short of a revolution, is a new constitional convention to redress the imbalance between the moneyed-elite and the rest of us.

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Great Link in Great Interview
Posted by: ProgressiveManiac on Nov 21, 2007 7:42 AM   
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Everybody should read this interview but nobody should miss the Ten Steps video link on the first page.

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