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In Defense of Robert Redford's 'Lions for Lambs'

By Adam Howard, AlterNet. Posted November 20, 2007.


The critics hate it, audiences have rejected it, but it deserves to be seen.
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Lions for Lambs is stiff, preachy and probably too earnest for its own good, but it still deserves to be seen. Why? Because even though it's an old-fashioned movie with a time-worn plot line and features veteran stars like Robert Redford, Tom Cruise and Meryl Streep, it's an attempt to do something more than just entertain you for 90 minutes, and for that it should be applauded.

If you're aware of United Artists' Lions for Lambs by now, it's probably more because of its almost immediate designation as a critical and commercial disaster. Nowadays if a film doesn't have almost immediate, colossal box office success, it's often treated as a bastard child by both the industry and the public at large.

What's worse is that because the film dares to delve into our foreign policy in Iraq and Afghanistan, the corruption of our nation's media and the plight of our young enlistees, Lions for Lambs' poor performance has been cited as yet more proof that American audiences have no interest in political films anymore. First, this September, there was In The Valley of Elah, a drama about Iraq war vets and their families, which starred Tommy Lee Jones, Charlize Theron and Susan Sarandon. It received raves and is still considered an Oscar contender if for nothing else but "best actor" for Jones. But it was probably just released too early, before audiences were over tripe like The Game Plan and ready for weightier fare. It's grossed only $6 million.

In the following month came Rendition, which boasted heartthrobs Jake Gyllenhaal and Reese Witherspoon but also mediocre reviews and a fairly vague and incomprehensible ad campaign. It also tanked with a total gross of $9 million. Despite the presence of megastars like Robert Redford, Meryl Streep and Tom Cruise it's hard to understand why Hollywood would have thought Lions for Lambs would have performed any differently. It's made only $12 million in two weeks, the worst numbers of Tom Cruise's career when inflation is taken into account. It may have been better to release it like most smaller scale, more challenging films are nowadays, a few major cities first, then expansion to the masses. But for whatever reason, it was released in thousands of theaters to compete with the infinitely more mainstream entertainment like American Gangster ($101 million in three weeks) and Bee Movie ($94 million in three weeks).

Lions for Lambs is already a flop and has already been derided by critics as "dull" (L.A. Times), "clunky" (New York Magazine) and "wince"-inducing (New Yorker). But someone really ought to stand up for its redeeming qualities as well admit as its clearly apparent faults.

Lions for Lambs contains three interwoven narratives all taking place roughly within an hour or so. The first features a very strong Meryl Streep as a once principled progressive journalist who's now morphed into a somewhat less principled, but skeptical shill for a network modeled after CNN being given an exclusive interview by a neocon Republican senator, Jasper Irving, played by Tom Cruise with his usual mixture of smarm and charm. The story he's feeding her is about a small combat operation he's spearheaded in Afghanistan, which leads us to story No. 2, which provides the only real action in the traditional sense of the word and features two young soldiers played by Derek Luke (of Antowne Fisher) and Michael Peña (who you may recognize from Crash) involved in Sen. Irving's mission. The last story thread of Lions for Lambs features the film's director, Robert Redford, as the two soldiers' former college professor at an unnamed California university, who uses their decision to enlist in the Marines to set an example for one of his stereotypically apathetic male students.


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Good cinema
Posted by: El Hombre Malo on Nov 20, 2007 1:24 AM   
Current rating: 2    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Let me see... The movie is stiff and boring, it's script more suitable for play than film... but yet people oughta watch it? Yes, and a visit to the dentist may hurt but you need to go every once in a while...only good dentists doesnt hurt.

I like political movies and will probably end up watching Lions for lambs some slow week, but if I find it half as bad as the reviews I read and the comments of my friends, I wont recomend it. I really like movies that deliver a pasionate, meaningful message, and that means they manage to infuse me with that passion. And I like them even when I already subscribed the message and the passion when I entered the theatre, because such pieces are great tools to turn the tide of apathy that sweeps the masses. One passionate movie with the right message can change the way people think.

So as much as I respect Redford and the rest of the cast (yes, even Cruise), I dont see any reason to applaud this movie just because it deals with a controversial subject (is it really that controversial today as it would have been 6 years ago when it could have had real impact?). And it is out of that respect I will forget about this movie after watching it, if its really that bad, whenever I think of Redford career.

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» RE: Good cinema Posted by: koolwoman
» RE: Good cinema Posted by: osd
More Propaganda
Posted by: packofwolves on Nov 20, 2007 4:48 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
We can be told anything by the media and if the government doesn't want us to like something, you can bet it won't get good reviews. The last thing in the world our government wants now is for the American people to wake up and get involved in their government and to hold politicians accountable. They prefer us fixated on video games, watching reruns on TV, and barely getting educated through the shameful public school system. I haven't seen this movie, but from what I read here you can bet I will. I will enjoy a movie that tries to get people involved. A nice change from the constant barage of violence and sex in movies, video games and now even television. We have turned into a mindless group of fools that will follow the devil right over the cliff.

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» RE: More Propaganda Posted by: El Hombre Malo
» RE: More Propaganda Posted by: packofwolves
» RE: More Propaganda Posted by: OneliaG
TOM CRUISE *IS* the main reason the film is doing so poorly
Posted by: Prairie Waif on Nov 20, 2007 5:28 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
After his shenanigans with is divorce from Nicole Kidman, one day before property rights would become entrenched, his idiocy on Oprah Winfrey, his horribly treatment of Brooke Shields' Post-Partum Depression, his "Matt, Matt, Matt" stupitidy on the Today Show while trying to "educate" Matt Lauer on the EVILS of Modern Day Psychiatry, HOARDES of people have decided to BOYCOTT Tom Cruise's films.

I for one, am tired of seeing that constant, "one jab forward move" to punctuate a success, having gotten a date with Kelly McGillis, Convincing Ray to accompany him to a Casino, Having made the Law FIRM, and any other movie he has been it and used the same TIRED ACTING FORMULA.

His time is done. He shouted "FIRE" in the theater, and we just continued to eat our popcorn while waiting for him to be taken out by the Ushers.

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Stiff? Clunky? BUT Not Boring
Posted by: Squarehead on Nov 20, 2007 5:39 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Stiff? Maybe Clunky? OK; But Not Boring

I and my wife watched it Sunday night, it struck home, while having the faults mentioned. The final scene, where Redford has done his stuff, tried to educate the bright but un-involved young man as to wider political realities ('Rome is burning, what will you do about it?') anf the guy goes back to his roommates, sees the story subtitles on Fox- CNN-, and thinks...

Well that does it for me, but then I'm only a sentimental old lefty. However if only one per cent of the audience is motivated to get stuck in, then thats a great improvement

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» RE: Stiff? Clunky? BUT Not Boring Posted by: El Hombre Malo
Pass the popcorn, I'm bored!
Posted by: rocketman on Nov 20, 2007 6:05 AM   
Current rating: 2    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I've been big fans of Cruise in some movies and Redford as well. But in recent times as their personal lives unfold I've become less of a fan. I really dont care to see anything with Tom Cruise in it any more..no matter how good/bad.

As for Redford, like so many in the entertainment field they actually think their fans care about their political views.

Actually very few care, as evidenced by the poor showing on this latest personal political expression.

What ever happened of the movie for entertainment - popcorn and coming out feeling better than when you went in!

No one wants to see their country bashed about during a war. Dislike Bush as we might, we still have troops in harms way and in many parts of the country nationalism still runs high even if support for the President doesn't!

Redford and co got what they deserve - popcorn but no dough!

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» RE: Pass the popcorn, I'm bored! Posted by: Squarehead
» *chokes on popcorn* Posted by: Coleman
» RE: *chokes on popcorn* Posted by: rocketman
» RE: *chokes on popcorn* Posted by: 1gma
» RE: *chokes on popcorn* Posted by: rocketman
News on Pay per view?
Posted by: Axiom69 on Nov 20, 2007 6:05 AM   
Current rating: 1    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
People buy movie tickets to be entertained. If the movie has a moral to it then it's a bonus. If the movie is "boring" or "clunky" then it's going to bomb no matter how righteous the message. That's why HBO, Showtime and Cinemax cost extra and the discovery channel is free. People don't pay to be informed they pay to be entertained. I myself am not going to pay $15 to take a 90 minute nap in my local theater.

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I saw it.
Posted by: alternetty on Nov 20, 2007 6:06 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Loved it. Never bored. Compelling in every way.

Thank you Robert Redford, Meryl Streep and Tom Cruise.

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» RE: I saw it. Posted by: LeftCoastProgressive
» RE: I saw it. Posted by: Kate_24
Lame Story, Lame Cast, Lame Movie
Posted by: NoPCZone on Nov 20, 2007 6:28 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Sounds like typical uninformed Hollywood formula and deserved to tank. Wasting Redford on such drivel is a crime.

Since the writers are on strike, maybe they have time to answer a few questions.

1- In the movies, they always join the Marines. I hate to inform you, but most of the wars are fought by the Army. Despite their PR and brainwashing, Marines bleed and die no differently than anyone else. Stereotype.

2- In the movies the schools are always in Cali or some Ivy League school in the NE. Again, most people do not live in Cali or will they ever attend an Ivy League school. Stereotype.

3- Why are Republicans or conservatives of any type always a caricature of the real thing? Sure, there are dome who are- but most re not. It's an old formula and a tired one at that. Stereotype.

4- Why is it that Hollywood seems incapable of writing about anything political or about the military without getting so much so wrong as to make it unwatchable for anyone with first hand knowledge of either. They miss so many little things it destroys the illusion that they know anything of what they speak.

Stereotypes, bad background research, a poor script and a AA winners does not a god movie make.

No sale.

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» RE: Not A NeoCon Posted by: NoPCZone
DrFude
Posted by: DrFude on Nov 20, 2007 7:30 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
What I found most disheartening, after having seen "Lions for Lambs," were the negative comments from those who haven't seen the film. As reviewed I believe it to be a very important film that, for the most part, takes a liberal view, with no posturing about being even-handed, about one very critical issue in America today.

The film poses cogent arguments countering the "fear" and "necessity" protestations repeated as a mantra, ad nauseum, by the war supporters.

Unfortunately, because it is not incendiary, in the Hollywood definition of that word, it creates no interest in a population that goes to movies, not to think, but to escape. It is the quintessence of the Roman concept of "Bread and Circuses," which is characterized in this film by a wartime news snippet of some movie "star" misbehaving.

Is life so desperate that we see films for metaphorical lobotomies? Not being a war supporter does not equate to being un-American. I love film as entertainment, but I love art (any genre) that gives one pause to think. Mr. Redford certainly makes me think. Would that were the case with all the viewers.

As a Viet Nam era veteran my receptors are finely tuned to the posturing of elected government officials and spokespersons justifying one course of action versus another in the pursuit of a greater American goal.

There was one other concept in the film, subordinated to the greater discussion of the war, which I have espoused to my wife's displeasure, especially as regards our, now fully adult, sons. That is the idea of compulsory national service. My recommendation, as that of the film, was all Americans should be obligated to national service. I would prefer two years, the film espouses one, in lieu of a Junior year in high school. It does not have to be the military, but that could be an option for those who, with proper guidance, elect it.

The philosophy is simple, as with all other creatures, we must be thrown out of the nest, den, community and family to come to grips with a greater world. This would insure that we, as a people, get to know what are the concerns and desires of others, not only in our narrow little family but in society, and the world, as a whole.

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» RE: DrFude Posted by: brunowe
» RE: DrFude.. well said Posted by: DaBear
» RE: DrFude Posted by: Knot_Rich
» RE: DrFude Posted by: Squarehead
» RE: DrFude Posted by: 1gma
Americans need a good sermon...
Posted by: peacelf on Nov 20, 2007 7:47 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
In times like these, a good sermon will ask you to think critically, chastise you for complacency, then tell what to do.

If this movie is preachy, then let the heavens open up and rain the truth on america!

You live in an empire! Wake up!

You're the problem not the solution in the world!

peace

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It's/its
Posted by: engteacher on Nov 20, 2007 8:34 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I find it really depressing when I see published writers getting this wrong, and Adam Howard got it wrong three times in one article. Once he got it right and then wrong in the same sentence.

Raise your standards, Alternet. Don't let such sloppy proofreading on your pages.

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» Amen Posted by: thekidde
» RE: It's/its Posted by: marla
una voce
Posted by: m/r on Nov 20, 2007 8:57 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Hi everyone-
I can't stand Cruise- love Redford-
I will see this movie. I suggest, before one watches " Lions", if one has not already seen it, check out "The Battle of Algiers"-
made in '65. Award winning, filmed as a documentary-and too relevant. Algeria in 1957 (that is fifty- **50** years ago btw )
It will put much into perspective and possibly serve as a double whammy wake up.

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» RE: una voce Posted by: Squarehead
Critics ? Audience ? Morons ? Same Catagory
Posted by: hadashito on Nov 20, 2007 10:05 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Does anyone expect the current crop of movie critics to approve of a film that appeals to real adults rather than 14 year olds ? Not many mental grown ups ! Movieland decided some time ago to make movies mostly for young adolescents - - of all ages. They have degenrated to the point at which the "indie" houses are nearly the only ones that show films worth seeing - - far anyone who is past the mental age of 14. A "serious" film without mayhem, car chases, sexy guys or girls, kiddie animation, special effects, scary monsters, lurid subject matter, or blockbuster exaggerations doesn't rate among the critics or much of the public, most of whom have been weaned on DRECK. Besides, dialog doesn't really matter much anymore. "Natural" speech has replaced clear diction and comprehensible dialog. Mumbling and "veracity" in conversation is "in", but action is what really matters. So a film with a verbal message is condemned as boring or too serious because the critics and the public want something sensational, to be "entertained".

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» exactly Posted by: davidg
Politcal flop?
Posted by: Doggycuny on Nov 20, 2007 10:10 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
What? A movie about politcs flops in America? And there was I thinking Americans were politically conscientious! Oh wait a minute! They're not! A movie has to have car chases, guns, expolsions, Will Smith and be right ON the middle of the road to be a success in America. In America if a movie makes you think - it will flop. If a movie doesn't have a merchandise side market for dolls and lunch boxes - it will flop. If a movie is slightly off middle-of-the-road - it will flop. To summarize - Americans are shallow, ignorant children that need their entertainment spoon-fed to them. Even their sit-coms have canned laughter so the people at home know when to laugh!

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» RE: Politcal flop? Posted by: MAD
» RE: Politcal flop? Posted by: Axiom69
» RE: Political flop? Posted by: Squarehead
» RE: Politcal flop? Posted by: babs
» RE: Politcal flop? Posted by: 1gma
» RE: Politcal flop? Posted by: Joe
Not credible - message is wrong one to send to idealistic students
Posted by: MAD on Nov 20, 2007 11:29 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Lions for Lambs is already a flop and has already been derided by critics as "dull" (L.A. Times), "clunky" (New York Magazine) and "wince"-inducing (The New Yorker). But someone really ought to stand up for its redeeming qualities as well admit as its clearly apparent faults.

It's a flop because it wasn't compelling in any way. Redford and student's witty although HIGHLY contrived repartee wasn't credible in any way. Interaction with my professors almost never deviated from bland, boring discussions that were sure not to raise a PC eyebrow.

I very much disliked the insinuation that he should refocus his efforts and become some kind of Wunderpolitician. It's much more probable that he turns out like Cruise's Senator Irving. How about becoming a leader outside the beltway? We all know politicians are precisely the problem, not the solution.

Streep as a reporter with a conscience is, well, ridiculous. Her refusal to run with a big story coming straight from the neocon's mouth is absurd.

In fact, the only thing I found realistic was the failed military tactic that left several soldiers dead and tens of thousands of dollars of munitions expended to kill three or four "insurgents".

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it's very preach-y, but........
Posted by: Voicedude on Nov 20, 2007 11:30 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
....it makes a few very good points.

The flashback scene in which the two soldiers we're following give their presentation to Redford's class is absolutely MIND BLOWING! I wish I had a transcript of that scene because the ideas they have for mandatory service for teens is the best thing I've heard from a non-politico in a very long time. Why doesn't someone in D.C. suggest something like that? The Peace Corps used to be thriving in the 60's. Today, our youth is far more interested in using cell phones for texts, pictures, games, and .mp3's.

See this movie for THAT scene alone!

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It's not about money and damn, people need this kind of preaching
Posted by: common intelligence on Nov 20, 2007 12:51 PM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
The writer here and what seems like most readers with short attention spans and audiances, (ADD), boosts about is "entertainment as usual". Too bad your expection of special FX wasn't satisfied.

Let's see now $12 million times $10/ticket. that's a million two hundered thousand people who watched it instead of FOX news that night.

Adding revenues to the coffers of studios is not always the point when it comes to putting forth effort to wake-up the those that are asleep to the being the victims of consiquential circumstances that affect the lives of millions to the point of keeping people ignorant of how young people are taken advantage of for the personal gain of those at the helm or the United States Government.

I for one, am thankful that this movie makes an attempt at engaging peoples minds to actually become mentally engaged in contemplative thought instead of tantalizing the voracious appetite for violence for entertainment purposes, without purpose!

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Think for Yourself
Posted by: Southern Gal on Nov 20, 2007 1:15 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Since I can no longer afford movie prices, I'll check it out on DVD. I like to form my own opinions about movies.

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SEE __Michael Clayton__
Posted by: MobileSucks on Nov 20, 2007 1:23 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
You want a great film?

http://michaelclayton.warnerbros.com/

5 STARS

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» RE: SEE __Michael Clayton__ Posted by: Adam Howard
» second that Posted by: Coleman
"They bank on your apathy"
Posted by: antiapathy on Nov 20, 2007 1:56 PM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
If there's one thing you take away from the film, or even the review, it is the fact that they literally bank on our apathy. Our citizens have lost the ability to think and act for ourselves. We should be out there protesting this war and this administration, writing our representatives and boycotting/divesting from the military(terrorism)-industrial-complex. Instead we are cheering nascar and gearing up for the upcoming festival of consumerism.

pathetic.

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» RE: "They bank on your apathy" Posted by: koolwoman
Want a good movie doubleheader about the current Iraq situation?
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Nov 20, 2007 2:50 PM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Three Kings and Syriana. Stephen Gaghan, David O' Russell, George Clooney and friends do a far better job of laying out the facts about oil and war than does Robert Redford, and they do it in a straight, no chaser fashion that avoids any hypocritical liberal moralizing. The films don't have a political viewpoint - they have a human viewpoint.

The United States imports more oil and has more military bases scattered all across the planet than any other country - and yet it seems that most people in this country don't understand the relationship between those two issues.

Just to point out how deeply the U.S. is into the global oil game, let's note that Robert Redford's father was an accountant for Standard Oil - and oil is what the current warfare in the Middle East is all about. Any film that doesn't at least discuss that subject is ducking the hard questions.

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Shar
Posted by: sharlyne on Nov 20, 2007 3:01 PM   
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Have not yet seen the movie, but I will be and look forward to it. What "holly wood" attempts to sell certainly has not proven to be the best for mankind. Movies are a form of expression and exposure and perception of course from the artists involved, including the production crew. Georgia Rules was an exceptional piece about several hot topics and done incredibly tastfully. I expect to view and learn in this politically hot movie also. Lets hope that the public will take the time to think or perhaps view it as well. All of us in both Canada and the USA really do make a vote....public is becoming more savvy to hog wash and less faithful because the news says so....What I am suggesting is that we have options to say no if we don't agree. Even just as a consumer, we have power. Well, before I go off any more without having viewed the film, I will watch it. I don't think what the bleep do we know really made too much of a dent either, the secret has, but I assumed more people understood that principal. Well, again, off to go see the film!

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Carrying any argument to the fascist reich requires a mind wipe!
Posted by: Aposterioriperception on Nov 20, 2007 4:26 PM   
Current rating: 2    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
The time for trying to convince the true believers and kool-aide guzzlers that their victory wagon has been bumbling and careening
out of control on wheel-less axels for 27+ years since Reagan, the great pasty white myth that gave the big push to overhaul and dismantle the middle class, you'll never convince these Reichstag talking point zealots that their wet-dream reality is destroying America!

A dangerous sociopath should not be treated with kid-gloves and neither should anyone stupid enough to support and praise an unchecked and free to destroy more lives under the false dichotomy of "spreading democracy".

Last time I checked, slaughtering over 1 million people while controlling every other aspect of their miserable lives denying all
of them the most basic of human freedoms, is not democracy, it's thinning the herd by
slowly bleeding the population down by attrition, (reminds me of Vietnam, but we didn't defeat or prevent communism from spreading, did we? Typical of that failure was a greedy Texas conservative with a (d) by his name convincing us that a country half-way around the world presented an immediate threat to democracy, sounds like the same snow job we got for Korea and Iraq, danger from a poorly understood entity that we're convinced means to do us harm, but like all faux enemies, the only harm we have yet to face is one of exaggerated exposure to cheap North Korean imports? Communism spreading from Vietnam? That never happened and a faux threat from invisible and previously destroyed under UN supervision, weapons that
did not threaten the US, but since the UN created a faux nation of Israel on a religious G-spot claimed by 3 hostile religions, our soldiers continue to die for a religiously shilled government too beholden to religious lobbyist's to force this predominantly religious "nation" of 60 years to defend itself, but our government doesn't want anyone else but Israel to succeed in the region because if they fail, so does the control mechanism that Christianity provides over the easily distracted and subjugated masses.) or genocide, either way, our government's fingerprints all over this mass murder campaign isn't the America I was born into even though the CIA has being triggering genocides and internecine since before I was born if the outcome benefited corporations or political partners desperate for political leverage on the world stage.

If denigrating a mind-less Reich-wing talking point spewer is required, why be P.C. and play nice, the Reichstag doesn't play
nice, it's time to kill the debate mindset with evil and fight back by placing the Reich wing back into Pandora's box where it
belongs, then launch it into deep space, preferably into a black hole where it can be destroyed absolutely once and for all!

I can dream can't I?

Meanwhile we continue to live in a Reich wing nightmare of Rip Van Winkle proportions, one which we can't seem to wake up from, 27+ years and counting, maybe in 13 years the 40 year nightmare will be over post-tense, either that or it will take half
a century to correct several decades of failure-prone Reich wing policies and maybe, just maybe we can educate everyone not
to repeat these inherently radical me-first conserva-crook mistakes on the world, much less on ourselves.

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» RE: Are you at teacher? Posted by: davidg
LOVED LIONS FOR LAMBS
Posted by: sivermoon22 on Nov 23, 2007 6:57 PM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Anyone who thinks for one second that the people who reviewed THIS movie was open to it, is beggin for a spankin.

This movie was on the hit list as soon as filming began. Wake up people. There has NEVER been another movie in history with more important things to say.

I agree, it wasn't excellent, but it was damn powerful, and I spent considerable time sitting in awe of the last few scenes with Streep who presented (in a short amount of time) a fully developed, multi dimensional character torn to her soul for her profession.
Stunning performance.

Tom Cruise.....well, I am tiring of him, and he was sadly miscast. I don't give him great marks.

Redford was a little canned, but anyone with a heart can see and feel the depth of his passion for this movie, and our country. The kid was so-so. Wasn't a 10. But, the MESSAGE was golden, and courageous, and NEEDED. And finally, someone not afraid to be taken down, built it. I will pay 10 bucks for that show every single time.

I thought the movie was great and a MUST SEE for every American.

Sheree

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There really isn't much difference between the socialist left and religious right
Posted by: Joe on Nov 27, 2007 7:38 AM   
Current rating: 1    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
both are preachy. both think they have the solution to all of humanities problems. both want to punish people who don't subscribe to their thought. both look down on those who don't subscribe to their thought. and both tend to be filled with hypocrites.

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