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Author Responds: Will Democrats Restore Our Liberties Stolen in the Bush Era?

By Ari Melber, AlterNet. Posted November 20, 2007.


A recent article exploring proposals to restore rights and liberties undermined during the Bush era has sparked several debates among readers. AlterNet invited author Ari Melber to respond.

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The AlterNet article exploring proposals to restore rights and liberties undermined during the Bush era has sparked several debates among readers. AlterNet invited writer Ari Melber to respond.

A persistent critique in several discussion threads contends that constitutional rights cannot be effectively restored within a political and economic system that is dominated by corporations. One reader argues that a Democratic president "will not repeal any of the harms done by Bush" because both parties "are financed by the same corporate masters and thus are indistinguishable." Another, hilaryuk, contends:

... the erosion of civil liberties is merely another symptom of the malaise affecting all western "democracies" [wherein] the political system now serves an economic one [...] multinational corporate capitalism. The new masters of the universe owe no particular loyalty to any one country or political organization, seeing nation and party as useful tools in serving their interests. They don't primarily hanker after world domination, just bigger profits. So a change of political personnel cannot change anything of significance and any "reforms" will be largely cosmetic.
It is clear that American corporations have a disproportionate impact on our political process -- readers hardly need a review of the evidence here. Professor and former Labor Secretary Robert Reich now contends that rising corporate power, coupled with a decline in the institutions that once mitigated economic harm, such as unions and regulators, has led to the replacement America's democratic capitalism with "supercapitalism," the title of his new book. The new order runs on "a corporate arms race in which platoons of lobbyists with piles of campaign money pursue laws that will give companies competitive advantage over their rivals," he explains, rather than allowing democracy to facilitate debates over what policies advance the public interest.

Companies are also regularly enlisted to implement U.S. policy, which can include questionable or unconstitutional acts, potentially increasing their stake in policies that undermine rights and liberties. Just surf the news this week and you'll see specific examples of corporations spending capital to back the Bush Doctrine. Telecommunications companies are lobbying for Bush's expansive domestic surveillance bill (and their own retroactive amnesty) while Blackwater lobbies to defend the administration's use of its outsourced soldiers in Iraq. (The FBI found that Blackwater employees killed 14 people without cause in September.) Readers have raised an important dynamic here.

But does that mean corporations will stifle all reforms? No. These macro-economic trends predate 2001, and few would claim that corporations were advancing torture or domestic surveillance "for profit" back then. Simply put, a new administration can change policies, and companies will pursue profit within the new landscape. While the current outlook is bleak for many reasons, (as I note in the article), the telecommunications amnesty debate actually shows how current law can sanction corporate complicity in attacks on our liberties. Lawsuits by the Electronic Frontier Foundation could cost companies millions for privacy violations -- if Congress does not buckle and provide retroactive immunity.

Since AlterNet asked for responses to a range of comments, I'll also briefly confront some of the absurd feedback. Arguing that the "'war on terrorism' is nothing but a distraction," socialpsych suggests that terrorism should be given less "weight" compared to the greater number of American deaths caused by traffic accidents. Another reader, common intelligence, doubts that "the next president and Congress" will repair "the damage Bush has done," offering the outrageous conclusion that the "most worrisome terro[r]ist cell is in the United States government." As with any anonymous comment, no one knows if these are genuine views, or trolls, or what. But it is obviously wrong to "weigh" murder and terrorism against deaths caused by accidents. Asymmetric warfare is based on weaker powers leveraging new types of devastation against stronger powers. Obviously, the stronger power should not respond by downplaying the magnitude of attacks or future threats. Likewise, it goes without saying that it is wrong and outrageous to claim the U.S. government is "a terrorist cell."

Finally, several readers criticized the choice of candidates that were discussed in the article. Democritus took me to task for neglecting one civil libertarian in the Democratic field:

What is disturbing about Melber's article is that he does not mention -- not even once -- Dennis Kucinich's name. Yet it has been Kucinich, more than any other Democrat, who has taken on the Bush-Cheney juggernaut. Kucinich would [...] repeal the Patriot Act, get rid of the military commissions, close Guantanamo, eliminate illegal surveillance of citizens and end our occupation of Iraq [...] He is the only Democrat who knows how to stop the Bush-Cheney machine from continuing to break the law in the way Melber deplores. Yet key Democrats backed off from Kucinich's resolution as if they were scalded, with Pelosi and Reid sounding more like moderate Republicans with each passing day.

The comment "Why Not Kucinich" drew over 25 replies. Readers are absolutely correct -- Kucinich has been an early leader on these issues. So my reply may sound boring and unfulfilling, but the article was not focused on assessing the candidates' records. Most of the 1,400 words were devoted to the road ahead for policy, separate from where each candidate stands. I ran through a few highlights for five Democratic candidates' plans in 321 words. As thehousedog noted, a 1,400-word article titled "Will Democrats Restore Our Liberties Stolen in the Bush Era?" was already pushing it: "This article is too long. The title asks a simple question. Here is the simple answer: No."

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Ari Melber is a regular contributor to the Nation magazine and writer for its Campaign '08 blog, and a contributing editor at the Personal Democracy Forum. He served as a legislative side in the U.S. Senate and was a national staff member of the 2004 John Kerry Presidential Campaign.

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looking forward...
Posted by: matti on Nov 20, 2007 1:30 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
...To the Second Selective Response article, following the comments in response to the First Selective Response article, which followed the comments responding to the Article.

I think I can see the -theoretical- benefit of "Author Response", in order to "continue the conversation". But it's been a fairly steep learning curve to come to the conclusion that "theory" doesn't match reality.

With respect to all involved in this effort, I'm not sure that it will gain anything new for anyone, just a rehash of the same views the first "commentary cycle" brought us.

Especially when the Author uses his Response to the Response to label some "absurd", and (passively hint that some are)"trolls".

Does anyone really expect those thus labeled to fail to respond in kind?

Would it not be better to consider ceasing this "Author response" practice?

Or failing that, at least restrict it to Authors who have enough faith in their words, who will not lash out at the failure of all to stroke their over-inflated egos, to resist such baiting "Response to Response"?

Also, why could we not be given some credentials of the Author? Some justification why they are in the position to dismiss our writings out of hand? Or are we, and I am just missing it?

This site is -in my (could be quite wrong) opinion - beginning to seem like not much more than a web article collection (the writings attributed to "non-Alternet" sources) from known names and respected sites, masking a forum for a small number (the "alternet-attributed" writings) of people to present themselves as superior to others, by allowing debate on their work, but maintaining control of the framework of that debate.

In my opinion it would be better to present articles, allow response, allow debate between responders (excluding authors), and then, when the author writes a new article on the Same or a Different, Real World Subject, present that once again in the same format.

I think this would avoid the kind of non-constructive situation this article has created and I am responding to.

It could do wonders for the site's credibility and stature.


Just some thoughts, If they aren't welcome than I humbly suggest that to ignore speaks stronger than to refute, but do as you will.


-matti

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You have got to be kidding, Right?
Posted by: Nightstallion on Nov 20, 2007 4:28 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I counted myself as a Democrat since 1960, before I could even vote! That ended when the Demonrats sold us out in 2000 and didn't toss this present son of a Sea cook out the door of the White House by impeachment for his ballot tampering then! For forty years I thought maybe just maybe we might even get those bastards to, consider States and Individual rights even then.

But no, instead they have become the same vile fornicators as the Republic-cons. So in 2000 after extensive reading I found that they had entered accord with the opposite party to toss the constitution out the window and become a Totalitarian, Theocratic leaning Corporatocracy.(With the accent on RAT). I am not impressed by you who spout rote party line bovine excrement as if it were Gospel and assume authority you have never earned or even understand.

Stop being afraid of these monsters or they will bury you and your children in the offal of their fornication. Do not make the mistake as I did of thinking there is ANY Authority who knows what is best for you except you your SELF! Stop swallowing Polemic Lies as if they were Gnats while straining at holding your own Camels reins for dear life.

John Stuart Mill once said: “He who knows only his own side of the case, knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them. But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side; if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion.”

Enlightened self interest can be a wonderful thing. When it deteriorates into greed and lust for dominion I must quit of it!

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» RE: You have got to be kidding, Right? Posted by: AMERICAN VETERAN
» Note Enough Votes Posted by: apophenia_monkey
» Note Enough Votes Posted by: apophenia_monkey
The remedy for these woes is IMPEACHMENT!
Posted by: aharlib on Nov 20, 2007 5:12 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Impeach Cheney NOW

Defense of the Constitution Knows No Party


The Bush administration has illegally seized and imprisoned Americans without benefit of their trial by jury, has spied on Americans without warrant in violation of the Fourth Amendment of the Constitution, has lied America into a disastrous war, and has betrayed an American intelligence officer, who was working on weapons of mass destruction networks, to our enemies (Valerie Plame.)

Impeachment hearings against Vice President Dick Cheney are now a distinct possibility, thanks to a recent outpouring of public support for impeachment by Americans across the political spectrum. Your calls and faxes to House Judiciary Committee members are needed to keep up the pressure.

Leave a message for your Congressman, to demand he obey his oath to "defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic." Act now to restore your rights and the rule of law bequeathed to us by our Founding Fathers, which brave men have died defending throughout our history.

Call the House Judiciary Committee

202-225-3951
and demand that Impeachment hearings begin ASAP!





*What Happened to Make This All Possible?

On November 6, 2007, Rep. Dennis Kucinich brought H.Res.333, for the impeachment of Cheney, to the House Floor for debate. It was broadcast on CSPAN. A sudden outpouring of public support for impeachment forced lawmakers to keep the resolution alive. Democrats, most of whom currently resist demands for impeachment, were unwilling to kill the bill with the public watching. Republicans and some Democrats, mindful of impeachment sentiment, voted to debate the bill, but failed. At the end of the day, Americans of both parties had made it clear whose "table" this is, and that they want to see impeachment on it.



For more information go to
NEImpeach.org

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Not a chance
Posted by: chlamor on Nov 20, 2007 5:28 AM   
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Violent Radicalization & Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act

This bill passed 400 or so to six.

H.R.1955
Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007 (Referred to Senate Committee after being Received from House)

HR 1955 RFS
110th CONGRESS
1st Session
H. R. 1955
IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES
October 24, 2007
Received; read twice and referred to the Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs

AN ACT
To prevent homegrown terrorism, and for other purposes.
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.
This Act may be cited as the `Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007'.
SEC. 2. PREVENTION OF VIOLENT RADICALIZATION AND HOMEGROWN TERRORISM.
(a) In General- Title VIII of the Homeland Security Act of 2002 (6 U.S.C. 361 et seq.) is amended by adding at the end the following new subtitle:
`Subtitle J--Prevention of Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism

The Democrats near unanimous support indicates to me that they're sick and tired of hearing from their constituents.

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» Dems=Repugs Posted by: socialpsych
"absurd feedback"
Posted by: socialpsych on Nov 20, 2007 6:08 AM   
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Melber writes:

"I'll also briefly confront some of the absurd feedback. Arguing that the "'war on terrorism' is nothing but a distraction," socialpsych suggests that terrorism should be given less "weight" compared to the greater number of American deaths caused by traffic accidents. . . . it is obviously wrong to "weigh" murder and terrorism against deaths caused by accidents."

I have often (but not always) been disappointed by the low level of scientific literacy among both AlterNet journalists and commenters. In fact, comparing deaths by terrorist attacks and deaths by highway accidents is perfectly reasonable. These are both risks faced by modern Americans. As I pointed out in my earlier posting, the risk to Americans of getting killed on the roadways is many, many times higher than the risk of getting killed by a terrorist. Forty thousand Americans die on the roadways every year. Three thousand Americans died in terrorist attacks in the U.S. in the span of 230 years. Clearly, the risk of dying in a motor vehicle accident is higher than the risk of dying at the hands of terrorists.

One poster to my original comment noted that motor vehicle accidents are ACCIDENTS, whereas terrorist attacks are INTENTIONAL, and therefore they can't be compared. But from the perspective of risk to individual lives, both cases are subject to chance: whether you just happen to be driving through an intersection at the moment some dope fails to stop at a stop sign, or whether you happen to board a plane that will be commandeered by terrorists and flown into a building, both risks are subject to chance. The chance of getting killed in a car crash, though, is much, much greater.

We can all agree, I hope, that society should put its resources toward ameliorating risk to its citizens. Every year, 40,000 people are reliably killed on the roadways, and society does nothing--or, at least, not enough, and that kill rate persists. Highway deaths certainly do not dominate the news as does "terrorism" (interestingly, mostly during the Reagan, Bush I, and Bush II regimes), even though it tragically affects many, many more Americans. By contrast, the relatively low risk of being killed by terrorists has had hundreds of billions of dollars thrown at it since 2001. That is, a very high-risk problem gets little or no attention or funding, while a very low-risk threat has bankrupted the country and has been the top news story for over 6 years

Doesn't this scenario suggest a "distraction?"

So long as Democrats play the game of using terrorism as a justification for obscene federal spending and restrictions on freedoms, nothing will change. Americans will not get their freedoms back, which was the question posed by the original article.

peace & love,

socialpsych

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» RE: "absurd feedback" Posted by: WillieD
» RE: "absurd feedback" Posted by: socialpsych
» ditto Posted by: Coleman
» Good analysis. Posted by: Coleman
» RE: "absurd feedback" Posted by: bobbyw
plages
Posted by: irifi on Nov 20, 2007 7:36 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Will Democrats Restore Our Liberties Stolen in the Bush Era? And the answer is: " NOPE!" And if you don't believe what some are saying, well, just look at what what your congress just passed some days ago, the vote was 400+ to 6!

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Here is what is REALLY going on.
Posted by: TarryFaster on Nov 20, 2007 7:41 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
We are losing our Democracy! Here is a link that will open some doors to that awareness --> Summary Of The Bush Crime Family History.

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Hhhhmmmm
Posted by: inanaturallight on Nov 20, 2007 7:52 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
From the above:
offering the outrageous conclusion that the "most worrisome terro[r]ist cell is in the United States Government."
What say? WE overthrew the democratically elected government of Iran in 1953. WE'VE been responsible for training and financing myriad death squads in Latin America for decades. When a bomb went off in a German disco we bombed Lybia and killed the presidents daughter. WE were responsible for millions of deaths in Southeast Asia in myriad countries supposedly to prevent the spread of communism. WE brought an illegal war of agression against Iraq (apparently just because we wanted to) that resulted in the deaths of more than a million Iraqis and displacement of almost 1/4 of the population. WE bombed a pharmaceutical factory in Africa because someone told us they were doing something else in that factory. The list could go on for 20,000 words...
So using the strict definition of terrorist perhaps rejecting the poster's statement is correct, however I propose to you that we are responsible for more international terror on planet earth than all the remaining planet put together.

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» RE: Hhhhmmmm Posted by: Dboy
Feedback on comments
Posted by: Col. Jackleg on Nov 20, 2007 8:29 AM   
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If both parties are of the same thread, then we need a new tailor and there is but one available to us and it is the singularly qualified candidate for the Presidency....Dennis Kuchinich. But even if he could be elected, he would still face the same eroding woodpile of deadheads in Congress that already resist every progressive expression he makes. It may be a lost cause, but it will be a significant development if we can start the process of reversal and renewal by electing Kucinich, then hope that his courage and forthrightness will inspire all of us to be what we like to think that we are.

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» Ron Paul has more support Posted by: CUnknown
Nope. Not Gonna Happen
Posted by: gacl on Nov 20, 2007 9:41 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
The 2006 congress elections will the last in which I vote for Democrat. It's clear who they are representing in Washington, and it's definitely not the people. That doesn't make them much different from Republicans, it's just a matter of which party represents which corporations. To be totally honest, on that election I voted mostly for third parties and independents and I voted Democrat when there was no other choice ( how's that for democracy? ), and I remember voting _against_ Hillary, which means I probably voted for a Republican ( oops! Oh, well, I _really_ hate her).

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» RE: Nope. Not Gonna Happen Posted by: oregoncharles
Don't Trust Hillary, Edwards or Obama..!
Posted by: TJ-stars4peace on Nov 20, 2007 9:53 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
None of the top so called Candidates are talking of this and not one has mentioned NSPD-51 or HSPD-20..some what Kucinich only...


Don't trust these bastards there is no way I will vote for any of the top three Democrats due to this and other reasons..!


I'm voting for Kucinich,,you gotta believe ignore Wolf Blizter and save America..!

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Will they?
Posted by: flyingfish on Nov 20, 2007 9:51 AM   
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If they were it seems they would work that into their campaigns( I don't mean remarking in passing in 'debates' that the patriot act needs to be 'revised') and since they haven't that should answer the question.


There is one candidate who has what you seek.

DailyPaul.com

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Why?
Posted by: oregoncharles on Nov 20, 2007 10:36 AM   
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Ari: "Likewise, it goes without saying that it is wrong and outrageous to claim the U.S. government is "a terrorist cell."

Please explain. Unless you play definition games, it seems "obvious" that most of the world's terrorizing is being done by the US. Of course, when you have an overpowering military you don't need to hijack airplanes, but the effect on the casualties isn't very different. Do you actually think the Iraqis aren't being "terrorized?"

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I'm no longer a betting man,
Posted by: hurricane hugo on Nov 20, 2007 11:40 AM   
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but, if I still were, I wouldn't bet a f-ing nickel on any of our stolen rights being restored by the next president's administration...even if it's Kucinich or Paul being sworn in in '09.

plur

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The bottom line: who is the gov't beholden to?
Posted by: Coleman on Nov 20, 2007 1:15 PM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
But does that mean corporations will stifle all reforms? No. These macro-economic trends predate 2001, and few would claim that corporations were advancing torture or domestic surveillance "for profit" back then. Simply put, a new administration can change policies, and companies will pursue profit within the new landscape. While the current outlook is bleak for many reasons, (as I note in the article), the telecommunications amnesty debate actually shows how current law can sanction corporate complicity in attacks on our liberties. Lawsuits by the Electronic Frontier Foundation could cost companies millions for privacy violations -- if Congress does not buckle and provide retroactive immunity.

The citizenry should not have to wage expensive and lengthly court battles to protect themselves from corporations. Wasn't there an article the other day mentioning that Exxon is STILL fighting in court to avoid responsibility for the Valdez tragedy?

While it's nice and cute that citizens have a formal-legalistic way to avenge themselves (it makes for great movies like Erin Brokovich), the basic power relations will remain intact. Even the most disciplined and organized group of citizens well never be able to lobby as hard as the transnationals, or control as many media or legal resources. A victory in court, a new piece of regulation...it may cost corporations some money, but after all these years (and so many celebrated legal and legislative "victories" for the "people" and their lawyers) K Street and the Oligarch Class they represent still run the show. Decisions made by these people, however mundane they may appear on paper, are always the major determining factors in our lives. It's not a conspiracy, and it's not a secret. In fact, if you read the Wall Street Journal, it's front page stuff. It's just "capitalism tending toward monopoly." Who predicted that again? Oh yeah, Marx. Pretty insightful guy.

Our situation (corporate rule) is a problem, but the question of what to do about this problem must wait until the vast majority of Americans recognize it as a problem in the first place. Let's help them.

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truth-teller
Posted by: truth-teller on Nov 20, 2007 4:49 PM   
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It doesn't matter what the next administration does. Yes, it would sound nice and temporally help if it repudiated the Bush/Chaney assault on the Constitution.

But, the assault happened and the supposed opposition (sometimes called the Democrats) failed to take action, the press was quiescent, and no public roar was heard.

The pattern has been set. Any future government, whether elected or imposed, now knows that the public will accept whatever abuses it wants to the Constitution and to our rights.

Let's not kid ourselves, this administration has inflicted severe, and probably permanent and fatal damage to our democracy.

May Bush/Chaney rest in hell (if it exists) and pray (if you believe in it) for our children and our children's children.

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Letter to Speaker Pelosi... cowering Dems
Posted by: sallyb36 on Nov 20, 2007 5:02 PM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Pelosi asked me to "renew" my Democratic Campaign Committee membership... I had to tell her this in my response...



Speaker of the House
Nancy Pelosi
Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee
P. O. Box 96039
Washington D.C. 20077-7243

Dear Speaker Pelosi,

There is no way that I can send financial support to the Democratic
Congressional Campaign Committee for membership. What good would it do? My
support has little affect on the behaviors of Congress. Congress
consistently cowers to allow the president to do whatever he darn well
pleases, despite the people's wishes.

George W. Bush treats Congress, the courts, and the people like we are his
fiefdom to do his bidding; such a travesty, a loss of true democracy. He
and his cabal have chiseled away to lessen Constitutional rights as he
chides that it is simply a "piece of paper."

Despite my 71 year senior status, I'm not an addled person. I graduated
from college at age 53 as I watched my husband's business decimated from
conservative economics in the 1980s. I've been teaching school for 16 years
and hope to continue to be a productive person for a few more.

My questions to you are simple. Why are George W. Bush and Richard Cheney
still leading? Why have we not impeached these errant leaders? In another
time, these leaders would have been ousted. What is so different today?

I agree change is necessary and you claim our money will be the ticket to
make it happen, but the Democrats must give us folks concrete evidence to
prove you are not going to allow these doomsday prophets make their dreams
for conquering the Middle East and ushering in the end-times come true.
Delay, delay, delay, simply prolongs this Conservative-bent nightmare.
Gosh, Nancy, they have groups that support invasion and mayhem in the Middle
East in their quest for oil and power. and we wonder if or why we're not
trusted. What is our recourse?

All of you, Democrats and Republicans, represent the citizens of this
country and your actions or inactions give messages to the world. They're
not pretty messages. They say, "Be scared, be very scared. The
imperialist United States is out to conquer you."

Sorry, Speaker Pelosi. I have no money for those who wage war and mayhem.
God bless us everyone, with peace. Our prosperity has been squandered on
war.

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» Bravo to SallyB Posted by: oldwoman
One chance
Posted by: snowhound on Nov 20, 2007 7:06 PM   
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Wake the F-up! The only candidate that will restore the Constitution and the rule of law is Ron Paul. The rest of them are just puppets of the banks.

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terrorist cells
Posted by: type22003 on Nov 21, 2007 4:38 PM   
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The US Govt. not terrorists? I guess it should be taken for granted that the plight of Native Americans is outside the purview of normal political discourse. Also, some believe that the illegal and immoral invasion of another country (Mexico in 1847) would constitute acts of terror. I'm shocked!!!

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Corporate whores know no party
Posted by: momilitia on Nov 21, 2007 9:31 PM   
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The Re pub's are the major corporate whores, but Clinton, Obama, ET AL, are also the same whores.

Vote Kucinich and vote for what is real, by voting for the top dogs you are only supporting the top dogs. Corporate whores, take a warning.

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