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Moody Is the New Bipolar
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On September 4, 2007, the New York Times reported, "The number of American children and adolescents treated for bipolar disorder increased 40-fold from 1994 to 2003 ... Drug makers and company-sponsored psychiatrists have been encouraging doctors to look for the disorder."
Not too long ago, a child who was irritable, moody, and distractible and who at times sounded grandiose or acted without regard for consequences was considered a "handful." In the U.S. by the 1980s, that child was labeled with a "behavioral disorder" and today that child is being diagnosed as "bipolar" and "psychotic" -- and prescribed expensive antipsychotic drugs. Bloomberg News, also on September 4, 2007, reported, "The expanded use of bipolar as a pediatric diagnosis has made children the fastest-growing part of the $11.5 billion U.S. market for antipsychotic drugs."
Psychopathologizing young people is not the only reason for the dramatic rise in sales of such antipsychotics as Eli Lilly's Zyprexa and Johnson & Johnson's Risperdal (each, in recent years, grossing annually from $3 to $4 billion). Much of Big Pharma's antipsychotic boon is attributable to generous U.S. government agencies, especially Medicaid. The Medicaid gravy train has been fueled by Big Pharma corruption so over-the-top that it has been the subject of recent media exposures.
The Associated Press, on August 21, 2007, reported, "A groundbreaking Minnesota law is shining a rare light into the big money that drug companies spend on members of state advisory panels who help select which drugs are used in Medicaid programs for the poor and disabled." Those advisory panels -- dominated by physicians -- have great influence over the $28 billion spent by Medicaid on drugs, but only Minnesota, Vermont, and Maine require drug companies to report monies paid to physicians. The AP article focused on John E. Simon, a psychiatrist on the Minnesota advisory panel since 2004, who received $489,000 from Eli Lilly between 1998 and 2006. The top drugs paid for by Minnesota Medicaid, according to the AP article, have been antipsychotic drugs, especially Eli Lilly's Zyprexa.
Serotonin Deficiency and WMDs
With the advent of Eli Lilly's serotonin-enhancer Prozac at the end of 1987, the general public and doctors began receiving a multi-billion dollar marketing blitz proclaiming that depression is caused by a deficiency of serotonin, and that this deficiency could be corrected by Prozac (and, later, other serotonin-enhancer antidepressants such as Zoloft, Paxil, Celexa, Lexapro, and Luvox). Between 1987 and 1997, the percentage of Americans in outpatient treatment for depression more than tripled. Of those in treatment, the percentage prescribed medication almost doubled. In 1985 the total annual sales for all antidepressants in the U.S. was approximately $240 million, while today it is approximately $12 billion. In 2006, the American Journal of Psychiatry reported that the percentage of American adults with major depression in 1991 was 3.33 percent, but by 2001, the percentage had more than doubled to 7.06 percent.
The serotonin-deficiency theory of depression was so successfully marketed that it was news to many Americans when Newsweek's February 26, 2007 cover story, "Men and Depression," mentioned that scientists now reject the theory that depression is caused by low levels of neurotransmitters such as serotonin. Thomas Insel, director of the National Institute of Mental Health, told Newsweek that "a depressed brain is not necessarily underproducing something."
The demise of the serotonin-deficiency theory of depression should not be considered news in 2007 because in 1998 The American Medical Association Essential Guide to Depression was already stating: "The link between low levels of serotonin and depressive illness is unclear, as some depressed people have too much serotonin." That same year Elliot Valenstein, professor emeritus of psychology and neuroscience at the University of Michigan, in his book Blaming the Brain pointed out, "Furthermore, there is no convincing evidence that depressed people have a serotonin or norepinephrine deficiency." (Antidepressants that increase the neurotransmitter norepinephrine as well as serotonin include Effexor and Cymbalta). In 2002 the New York Times reported: "Researchers knew that antidepressants seemed to raise the brain's levels of messenger chemicals called neurotransmitters, so they theorized that depression must result from a deficiency of these chemicals. Yet a multitude of studies failed to prove this precept." Unfortunately, that fact was buried under more than fifty preceding paragraphs.
Similar to the Bush administration, which knew it is was far easier to sell a war when Americans believed they were threatened by weapons of mass destruction, antidepressant manufacturers know it is much easier to sell serotonin-enhancer drugs when people believe depression is caused by a deficiency of serotonin. The Bush Administration and the mental health establishment (including the National Institute of Mental Health) have retreated from their respective theories, but neither has spent a great deal of time or energy getting the word out. Since each officialdom's earlier claims were so loudly trumpeted and their later retractions so quietly whispered, many Americans continue to believe in mistaken rationales for policies and treatments that continue to affect millions of lives.
The reality is that when patients report Prozac, Paxil, or Zoloft as "working," it is not because these drugs are correcting any kind of chemical imbalance. These drugs can temporarily "take the edge off" -- as is the case with many psychotropic drugs, legal or illegal. But for a significant number of people, these drugs produce extremely unpleasant side effects, while for many others, these drugs have little or no effect. So, overall, the difference in effectiveness between antidepressants and a sugar-pill placebo is "clinically negligible." This was the conclusion of University of Connecticut professor of psychology Irving Kirsch, who used the Freedom of Information Act to gain access to 47 antidepressant studies sponsored by drug companies on Prozac, Paxil, Zoloft, Effexor, Celexa, and Serzone that had been submitted to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (but many of which had not been published). Kirsch discovered that in the majority of the trials, the antidepressant failed to outperform a sugar-pill placebo.
Why now are we hearing more from the corporate media about the demise of the serotonin-deficiency theory of depression? Perhaps it is because the blockbuster serontin-enhancer drugs have either lost their patent protection or are soon to lose it and drug companies are preparing us for the next wave of patent-protected drugs and biochemical justifications for them. The Newsweek article on "Men and Depression" went on to state, "Instead of focusing on boosting neurotransmitters (the function of the antidepressants in the popular SSRI category such as Prozac and Zoloft), scientists are developing medications that block the production of excess stress chemicals."
Big Pharma, FDA, NIMH, and Congress
There are other parallels between the military-industrial complex and the psychopharmaceutical-industrial complex. Vital to the profits of both are supportive U.S. government regulatory, research, and purchasing agencies.
There is nothing more important for a drug manufacturer than FDA approval and so it is common sense that a pharmaceutical company will spend whatever it takes to ensure FDA approval.
In 2000 an article in USA Today, "FDA Advisors Tied to Industry," reported that in 55 percent of the FDA advisory meetings on drug approvals, half or more of the FDA advisers had financial connections to the interested drug company; and in 92 percent of these advisory meetings, at least one FDA adviser had a financial conflict of interest. Joseph Glenmullen, in Prozac Backlash, notes that Paul Leber, director of the FDA's division of neuropharmacological drug products, left the FDA in the late 1990s to direct a consulting firm that specializes in advising pharmaceutical companies attempting to gain FDA approval for new psychiatric drugs.
The revolving door of employment is also used by Big Pharma to maintain influence over the National Institute of Mental Health. In Talking Back to Prozac, Peter and Ginger Breggin report that in 1993 Steven Paul, scientific director of NIMH, resigned to become vice president of Eli Lilly (maker of Prozac and Zyprexa). In 2001 Roche Pharmaceutical (manufacturer of Valium, Klonopin, and other psychiatric drugs) proudly announced that Lewis Judd, a former NIMH director, had joined its scientific advisory board.
To the delight of Big Pharma, NIMH uses taxpayer monies to fund researchers who are financially connected to pharmaceutical companies. One important example is the "Sequential Treatment Alternatives to Relieve Depression (STAR*D)," a $35 million U.S. taxpayer-funded study that proclaimed the effectiveness of antidepressant treatment. The results of STAR*D were widely reported by the corporate media. Unfortunately, the NIMH press release about STAR*D excluded the fact that STAR*D researchers received consulting and speaker fees from the pharmaceutical companies that manufacture the antidepressants studied in STAR*D -- and this fact went unreported by the corporate media. Also not in the press release and unreported is the fact that STAR*D researchers failed to include a placebo control and failed to incorporate relapse rates in the overall results. So in reality, STAR*D antidepressant results were no better than the customary placebo results or the results of no treatment at all -- this also unreported by the corporate media.
The corruption by Big Pharma of the FDA and NIMH is not difficult when these agencies' overseer, the U.S. Congress, has also been corrupted by Big Pharma. Billy Tauzin, a former Republican congressperson from Louisiana, is one example. Tauzin, as chairman of the House Energy and Commerce Committee, helped shepherd passage of the Medicare prescription drug law -- a bonanza for Big Pharma. Soon after this favor to Big Pharma, Tauzin became head of Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America (PhRMA), Big Pharma's trade organization. Tauzin's annual salary as head of PhRMA is $2 million.
Psychiatry's Officialdom
Robert Whitaker, in his book Mad in America, summarized the beginnings of Big Pharma's corruption of America's psychiatrists and their professional organization, the American Psychiatric Association (APA): By the early 1970s, all of psychiatry was in the process of being transformed by the influence of drug money. Pill-oriented shrinks could earn much more than those who relied primarily on psychotherapy (prescribing a pill takes a lot less time than talk therapy); drug-company sales representatives who came to their offices often plied them with little gifts (dinners, tickets to entertainment, and the like); and their trade organization, the APA, had become ever more fiscally dependent on drug companies. 30 percent of the APA's annual budget came from drug advertisements to its journals."
Whitaker also reported that the APA relied on drug company grants to fund its "educational" programs. Such grants have continued and in the first quarter of 2007, Eli Lilly reported providing grants of over $412,000 for two APA programs: "Improving Depression Treatments" and "Understanding the Complexity of Bipolar Mixed Episodes."
Drug companies have also been successful hijacking university psychiatry departments. In 2005 the Boston Globe reported that Harvard Medical School's psychiatry department at Massachusetts General Hospital received $6.5 million from four drug companies. Marcia Angell, physician and former editor-in-chief of the New England Journal of Medicine and author of The Truth About the Drug Companies, reported that the head of the psychiatry department at Brown University Medical School made over $500,000 in one year consulting for drug companies that make antidepressants. Angell remarked, "When the New England Journal of Medicine, under my editorship, published a study by him and his colleagues of an antidepressant agent, there wasn't enough room to print all the authors' conflict-of-interest disclosures. The full list had to be put on the website."
Drug companies also provide major funding for so-called "mental health consumer organizations," the most well-known of which is the National Alliance for the Mentally Ill (NAMI). NAMI received $11.72 million from drug companies between 1996 and mid-1999, according to Mother Jones in 1999, which also reported that Eli Lilly was NAMI's leading drug company funder and that "in the case of Lilly, at least, 'funding' takes more than one form. Jerry Radke, a Lilly executive, is 'on loan' to NAMI, working out of the organization's headquarters."
Exposés of Big Pharma methods of influencing NAMI have not stopped the practice. In the first quarter of 2007, Eli Lilly's "Grant Office 2007" posted that Lilly provided NAMI with a grant of $450,000 for NAMI's "Campaign for the Mind of America 2007." For those troubled by the success of the psycho-pharmaceutical-industrial complex at manufacturing consent in the United States, the title "Campaign for the Mind of America 2007" is a chilling one.
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Posted by: DanielHaszard on Nov 14, 2007 12:26 AM
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Lilly's incentive not to readily disclose deadly side affects (up to ten times diabetes risk over non users) is they had billions coming in from state medicaid scripts?
Daniel Haszard http://www.zyprexa-victims.com
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Posted by: Turkiye on Nov 14, 2007 2:45 AM
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Being Bi-polar since my teens, now 51, misdiagnosed as clinically depressed until 40, anti-depressants, when Bi-polar triggers severe manic episodes at times triggering psychosis. The author should use care when speaking about drugs that will help or hinder mental illness, he may have caused irreparable harm.
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» So-called mental illness is NOT a disease --
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» Gullibility: the new mental illness.
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Posted by: Nightstallion on Nov 14, 2007 3:54 AM
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Virtually none of the people who have a degree in Psychology or Psychiatry today have read anything by him or know anything of him, but will profess to know all About him because they have read someone else’s work that proclaims to know and understand Reich’s’ work. This is the way of the lazy thinker: trust anyone else’s opinion more than your own
These idiots should be set to grinding wheat. No one is schizophrenic who has a good understanding of “self” without ego involvement. Now that statement right there is enough to put today’s Psychoanalyst off his feed. Reason: He is taught that good insight is dissociative thought process! There are no Psychoanalysts anymore anyway only behavior modifiers.
You need fixing and we will drug you into submission with chemicals that leave you in a state mimicking lobotomization. No cognitive thinking allowed! Frankly, the societal drift toward Fascism that has occurred in the last twenty years bears directly on the way Psychiatry is viewed as a whole. Look for enforced Psychosurgery to rear its ugly head again soon.
In this persons opinion the only cure for the Surgeon addicted to Psycho Surgery is being put against the wall and introduced to hollow pointed Forty-five Caliber rounds from a drum fed Thompson Machine Gun. Please people, think here do not allow these serpents to get in a position of power and authority again or they will reduce whole populations to a state bordering on the far side of Idiocy.
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» Huh?
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» RE: Bi-Polar is the replacement word for Schizophrenic.
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» Freud not dead yet ?? More's the pity !
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» Actually "NO." He never did that ... quite the reverse.
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Posted by: goeswithness on Nov 14, 2007 5:14 AM
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Just another example of "truthiness." And I would add, a touch of hysteria.
Of course anyone interested in a child's welfare doesn't want one to be on any medication they don't need to be, and I'm no fan of the way drugs are sold to us these days, but when considering very real quality of life issues, where a child may or may not function in the world, depending on treatment, where he or she may get further and further behind other kids, depending on treatment, and the child's social and academic problems snowball to levels more and more painful with larger consequences, it would be cruel and unethical not to explore available therapies. Much more so than with adults, with kids, time is of the essence. Special education teachers have nothing to do with prescribing drugs and, in my training, aren't even allowed to steer parents in that direction, but I have seen them really do some wonderful things.
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» Drugs to help your children adapt to an INSANE system!
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Posted by: lb on Nov 14, 2007 5:44 AM
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What it comes down to, for me, as a physician, is whether I can relieve suffering and "cause no harm". Some of the therapeutic effect of medication is ALWAYS placebo effect, but if people feel better and function better, why shouldn't they take these medications?
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Posted by: wilty on Nov 14, 2007 6:44 AM
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Adustment Disorder through Major Depression, to my current labeling. Who knows, maybe tomorrow, I'll be typed as Scizo-affective.
Even if there was such a thing as "pure science," I know that,
through it all, I am just a guinea pig as to to the big psycho picture. If one has never experienced a psychotic manic break, they have no experience to draw from, when it comes to empathy and the understanding of what a relief it is, that
there are stabilizing meds, such as Risperdone (an atypical anti-psychotic). In those moments, I don't give an owl's hoot, if it were M&M's acting as placebo.
Certainly, these drugs are not the magic bullets, they were once claimed to be. Their effectiveness declines, after time and the patient again goes on that critical journey to find a new med that will work. Meds for the severely crushing depressive episodes, and an Rx for the frightening assension into manic carnival time on speed. Yikes!!
Sure, there is corruption in Big Pharma, just like everywhere else, in our culture. No institution on through to the last societal nook and cranny is any longer exempt. This is the "American Way." Think Reagan. Know Bush!! Get it?
Nothing is going to change, and that includes treatment for mental illness until we adopt a brand NEW ethos. WE must change.
And to that, I say "Good luck!!!"
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Posted by: Pintado_Petrel on Nov 14, 2007 6:54 AM
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For the vast majority of the population, any kind of mind-changing medecine is just NOT necessary--but for the few folks who are really, really sick, they are a lifesaver. Same as getting a gastric bypass surgery. There are some people who are so critically obese that the cure, even with all its problems, is worth doing. Somebody like me who is packing on a few extra pounds, well, it'd be overkill.
The author seems to wander around her point quite a bit. Are antidepressants or antipsychotics bad? Is handing out drugs en mass bad, or is she criticizing the fact that big pharma is a lobby?
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Posted by: maxpayne on Nov 14, 2007 7:00 AM
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Posted by: BenCaxton12 on Nov 14, 2007 7:33 AM
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The 'hook' on which the article hangs is essentially the Scientology argument, that since there is no simple blood test proving the Seritonin Theory, the clinical outcomes achieved with medications are simply part of a greedy, irresponsible scheme by drug companies to ... yadda yadda yadda ... and oh yeah, all those so-called "Medical Doctors" are in on the plot because Big Phama gives them promotional gifts and golf weekends.
Here's the thing about bipolar disorder:
Now that there's 'a simple pill' to treat it, the condition will probably be way over-diagnosed by School Therapists and Nurse Practitioners who have no business diagnosing in the first place.
But, the disease does exist. It doesn't get better by itself . And you really don't want to 'just live with it.' Nor do you much want to live with someone who has it. Combine the chronic negativity and occasional suicide dramas of deep Depression, with the impulsivity, unreason, hallucinations and delusions of Schizophrenia -- throw in some 72 hour bouts of insomnia -- and you've got some notion of how the disease affects people.
Alternating lithium and antidepressants eventually kills your liver and kidneys.
"Atypical anti psychotic medications" do allow more people to live better lives with fewer side effects than the older methods. The about them is, if you don't really need them, you REALLY don't want to take them.
The BIG warning that this is VERY SERIOUS medication ought to be the instruction that they are to be taken with 500-800 calories from FAT 'at bedtime' --- long story short: without a rigorous program of diet and athletic training, expect weight gains of 10-15% each year you're on the drug.
Then there's the published list of other side effects.
All of which sounds quite bad ... until you compare to treating schizophrenia with Psychoanalysis, prayer, and "healthy living" ... or treating it with Old Order anti psychotics such as Thorazine.
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Posted by: garry minor on Nov 14, 2007 7:40 AM
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Unfortunately for us our own Government and FDA have allowed the racist, moronic, ungodly, antichristian worldview imposed by the first drug czar Harry Anslinger, the Hearst, Dupont and other Corporations of that era to continue to this day.
Cannabis is illegal because everything made from oil, coal, timber, or cotton can be made with it. All paper, plastics, packaging, paints, varnishes, textiles, rope, lubricants, netting, pressed board products, structural components, many health foods, cosmetics, and medicines can all be made with ecologically friendly kaneh bosm, cannabis, hemp! In 1938 Popular Mechanics wrote that it could be the first billion dollar crop and could provide over 25,000 products. Henry Ford built and fueled a car primarily with hemp. Synthetic plastics were developed using cellulose technology. The hemp seed is the single most nutritious thing you can eat. Our Government stockpiles it under Executive order #12919 yet deny it to us today. It would revolutionize our diet. This seed could also replace the need for hormones and remnants in our feedstock which is why American beef is banned in Europe. These additives are related to the BSE's in our foodchain which are shown to cause plaque and mental deterioration in some people. Hemp industrialization will create millions of jobs from the farm to the laboratory. It will begin a re-distribution of wealth.
The Pharmaceutical and all these other industries will stop at nothing to keep the public ignorant about the value of hemp. They promote themselves! The D.A.R.E. program is funded mainly by Kimberly-Clark, the paper company. They will watch the world burn before they give up control. Every year alcohol and tobacco kill a million people and cost us billions of dollars in health care, creating all kinds of problems. These industries also continue the fight against cannabis. Cannabis on the other hand has not killed one person in the entire history of mankind, can be used in place of either alcohol and tobacco safely, even treating the illness caused by them.
Something is wrong with this picture!
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Posted by: emoryricketson on Nov 14, 2007 7:47 AM
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Posted by: drricklippin on Nov 14, 2007 8:46 AM
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In some cases SSRIs save lives.
In most cases they are "treating" social dysfuntion like family, economic and job problems
I have written on this topic on www. medicationsense.com
(scroll down to July/Sept 2004)
Many others have written good articles on this topic. Just google it.
This "medicalization or disease mongering" is a national disgrace
I won't be happy until BigPhRMA CEOs do jail time
Dr. Rick Lippin
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Posted by: VZEQICVA on Nov 14, 2007 8:58 AM
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Posted by: aberdeen on Nov 14, 2007 9:47 AM
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It is abnormal for human beings to be in a perpetual state of "normalcy". It is abnormal for children to be well-behaved and to not be restless from sitting for far too long in far too often boring classroom environments. It is abnormal for children to always behave as adults want them to behave.
It doesn't take a PhD in behavioral science to understand that. Any moron knows that mood swings are normal. What is abnormal, are moron educators and social "experts" who believe there is something wrong with a child who exhibits various mood swings.
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Posted by: PaulK on Nov 14, 2007 10:21 AM
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Next, artificial colorings set off a lot of kids. They're rather strongly allergic to the chemical. So does the caffeine machine in the school cafeteria. Or maybe it's all that high-fructose corn syrup.
Dishonorable chemical mention: fattening hormones in feedlots. They work twice!! We jiggle in and out of our cars for a reason, and yes 400 lbs affects our mood.
Doctors need to look at causes, not cures. Unfortunately they're all locked away in offices, far from the front lines.
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Posted by: Pirate1 on Nov 14, 2007 10:31 AM
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Posted by: LeaderofMen on Nov 14, 2007 11:30 AM
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They rely on an age-old technique called 'pseudo-scientific jargon'. They MAKE you think you have a disease that you do not have.
If you buy in to any advertising on TV you are a MORON. Sorry, I learned this in 9th grade. I was a freshman in high school when we were expressly taught about this technique and other advertising techniques to foist products onto people.
I guess they don't teach this anymore.
And that was in a PUBLIC SCHOOL.
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Posted by: DaBear on Nov 14, 2007 12:00 PM
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Our own experience with NAMI is that, at least on the local county level, they're a bunch of do-gooders who try hard but their model is a bit "off." They are really into pushing legislation that, among other things, helps the family of patients force the patient into treatment or onto meds. When we tried to get NAMI to advocate for anti-discriminatory legislation we got cold shouldered. They supported and thought the world of the local sheriff unit that has a record of shooting suicidal people (ironically who get suicidal on their meds like Zoloft and Depakote, yipe! I remember that ride...). They seem to be really invested in seeing the attention-different (usually bi-polar) person from the "illness" or "problem" model rather than an "adaptive-gene" model. Now I wonder if it's the Ely-Lilly connection driving that. Either that or do-gooding isn't suffiecient a basis for advocacy for people who are wired differently.
In any case, the problem model has a very limited use, even though it makes parents and siblings initially feel supported. The only people I know who have been successful in coping with mental illness (patients and their families alike) and leading very full, albeit highly energetic and "interresting" lives have been those that have chosen to use an adaptive-gene or wired-different model.
In that model a person with BP or Schizphrenia or ADHD, Tourettes, Autism, just is the way they are, not "bad" but "different." Meds are employed to allow the "patient" to adapt to their natural wiring and avoid the destructive elements of their wiring such as not having to resort to the ultimate pain relief (suicide). There's an emphasis on the gift that wiring brings--like Thom Hatman's Hunter notion for ADD/HD, George Lyn's Fearless Explorer for TS, Magician for Autism, Warrior for BP. It's not that there aren't problems that come up in that model... just ask anyone who's had to watch a sibling ride a roller coaster of a BP rapid cycle with 3 days of deep depression where they can't even brush their teeth or open their eyes followed by 2 days of playing chicken in urban bus traffic. On meds that may be reduced but that cycle is still there (it might be 3 days of cranky negativity or "moodiness" followed by 2 days of blissful optimism, but it's still a cycle and it's visible). If you over medicate that sibling can end up flat and numb, the dull vacant look in their eyes makes you want to weep because you feel happy not to have to ride the crazy coaster or the moody with them but look at them, they're not themselves, their chemically flattened. The adaptive model isn't a panecea and it doesn't alter the reality of someone's very different wiring from what society deems "normal." But it's a hell of a lot more effective than seeing the wired-different person as a problem to be drugged into submission and flattened into sub-humanness, caged up and shot at by paramilitarized cops fresh from Baghdad or Kabul, deprived of housing because NAMI wanted the distraught family not the patient to have the final word over whether a person has civil and human rights or not due to their mental state. The problem model families seem to suffer a hell of a lot more and often they're fighting over and with meds and cops constantly.
At the same time, NAMI is pretty much the only group out there with a presence. We went through several of their free training workshops but frankly, their "services" weren't supportive and weren't all that helpful. Wailing about more drugs and cops to "handle" patients just doesn't seem like it's a good idea to us.
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Posted by: cjohnson44 on Nov 14, 2007 12:04 PM
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Sure, a lot of these drugs are overused; but when necessary, they work wonders.
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Posted by: sofla100 on Nov 14, 2007 12:36 PM
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1. Counseling and therapy are being sidetracked and not being used often enough, or at least not being used in conjunction with medication. Most of the reason is economic, because insurance companies find paying for the pills to be cheaper than the therapy.
2. The mental health field is subject to changing definitions for observed conditions, no question about it. For example, the rapid rise in what is now diagnosed as autism. A decade back many of these same individuals would have been diagnosed with developmental delays. You have some of this also operating with the so-called borderline personality disorder, depression versus manic-depression and "adjustment disorders," etc.
3. Changing definitions of diagnoses does not however, negate that the best way to help people is often really a combination of counseling and medication. I wish the author of this article had said this. Where things go wrong is that some people may not need to be indefinetly on meds, although some might, but others will not.
4. Big Pharma is a problem, yes indeed. But, this has to do with the fact that they are going to keep changing the molecular structure of psych drugs just a tiny bit so they can patent the change and then market the drug. This is big money at work. Psychiatrists just need to look, however, at if "cheaper" drugs will do the same thing, perhaps are even better. And, use generics where available.
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Posted by: pikaomega on Nov 14, 2007 1:10 PM
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As an infant, my circadian rythym ran anywhere from 18-24 hours for days on end, followed by what my mother called a "sleepy day", which meant roughly 24 hours of sleep. As I got older, my depressive episodes led to, and I mean this literally, 11 months spent in my bedroom in solitude, emerging to use the restroom and make meals, which I immediately took back to my bunker. This period was marked with the occasional mania, where I would do things such as wake my younger brothers up in the middle of the night to play outside. Regardless of which end of the spectrum I was on at any given moment, sleep was difficult to come by, and I rarely dozed off before 2 am, only to be woken at 6 am to catch the school bus.
At 17, I had my first nervous breakdown. In bed for a month and a half, I was physically dragged to a doctor, I was diagnosed with Bi-Polar I Disorder, defined as the more extreme of the two, exhibiting rapid mood swings and possible psychotic episodes. My poor attendance prevented my graduating from high school, regardless of the fact that when I returned to class after two months, I was averaging an A- in all classes.
I learned to deal with the days without sleep, the inability to hold a coherent thought, the listlessness that became my life. Where depression was the norm in my younger days, as I got older, mania became the standard. My sleeplessness would average 2-3 days, at my most level moments. After my grandfather, with whom I shared a bond that words cannot do justice, passed away in 2003, I was engulfed by an indescribable, horrific wave of mania. This began as 3-4 days proceeded by 6 hours of sleep...then 5-6 days with about 3 hours of sleep...then 8-9 days, nodding of for 15 minutes at a time every once in a while. This manic episode spanned 4 1/2 months; I could not talk, I wandered in circles around my house, not knowing where I was. After a suicide attempt, I was admitted to a psychatric ward-10 days without sleep. Here I had a psychotic breakdown, was strapped to a gurney and injected with a massive dose of Adavan. And I slept.
I had been given medication, but like so many people who have this, I felt better and stopped taking my meds. On Mother's Day of 2005, ironically enough, my mom and brother rushed to my apartment to find me sobbing uncontrollably. I slipped here and never came back. Three days after Christmas, I was re-admitted to the psych ward.
I am lucky. I have a wonderful resident doctor (which means that I can afford the otherwise impossible $12 monthly fee and get sample medication), am on a regiment of meds that works and am fairly stable. Still, I have upswings, where my brain feels like I am being electrocuted. I never know when this will happen, and I am aware that odds are someday I will slip off of the edge again.
People need to realize that this is a physical disorder. It is no different or less serious than something that shows up on a lab test or an x-ray. We need mental health parity in our healthcare system. We need understanding from other people that this is serious and life threatening. My mother has repeatedly had my landlords unlock my door to make sure that I am still alive. My brother was amazed when I turned 26 last year, because he was sure that I would have been gone by then. This is a situation that not only tears apart the lives of we who experience it, but makes our loved ones hurt with us, knowing that we exist in torment and that they can only stand by, watch, and wait for the day when it finally claims us.
I apologize for the length of this comment, but I can only hope that my experience can show others that there is hope, and that understanding and support is crucial to its management.
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Nov 14, 2007 2:35 PM
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Fact two is that established drugs or no drugs at all are generally safer than the "hot new product" which was usually cooked up in order to have a patented replacement. If a drug has been in use for 30 years, there's a better chance that doctors will have discovered any problems with it (take for example Vioxx and Celebrex, celebrated pain drugs that also caused heart damage - cannabis sativa-sourced THC would have been a safer choice for those patients).
Fact 3 is that the basis of the pharmaceutical business is not R&D, but rather sales and marketing. That's the heart of the pharmaceutical business - take whatever crappy drug you've got the patent to and pump it up using every available avenue. A great example of how that works is Tamiflu - the patent is owned by Donald Rumsfeld's old company, Gilead Biosciences, and the U.S. government acted as their Tamiflu marketing assistant - G.W. Bush held huge news conferences on the "Avian Flu Threat" and Gilead made millions off of Tamiflu sales - a drug which, incidentally, will provide little if any protection against a flu outbreak, and which also has nasty side effects.
The bottom line is that the patient is now viewed by the vast majority of the corporate medical system as just another consumer. The more drugs you can stuff into the consumer, and the more the consumer pays for each drug, the better off the pharmaceutical industry is. It doesn't really matter who pays for the drug - the government, the health care insurer - as long as the cash keeps flowing in. That's the essence of the drug business for you - it's all about control of intellectual property, huge marketing campaigns, and keeping quiet about the ridiculously low cost of drug synthesis.
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Posted by: nal on Nov 14, 2007 5:27 PM
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So the title is "Moody is the New BiPolar" but the author talks about anti-depressants the whole time which are hardly ever used in the treatment of bipolar or 'manic depression'.
Anti-Depressants have negative effects on people with bipolar - so after reading the content of this article, the title is quite misinformative, and a little insulting that the author uses bi-polar as a flag for a discussion on drugs that aren't even used for bipolar. Not to mention, most psychiatrists hesitate at ever making a diagnosis of bipolar in children.
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Posted by: sweet_byrd on Nov 14, 2007 5:42 PM
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Some people have told me that my positive response is nothing more than a placebo effect -- that I could get the same benefit (the "honestly and for real" tacked onto this idea is implied but very real) through cognitive-behavioral therapy. I deeply resent the implication that I am taking the easy way out, or merely deluding myself. I tried years of cognitive therapy. And though there was some slight improvement, it was nothing compared to taking the medication. I might add that I was deeply skeptical of the 'magic pills' and almost certain that they wouldn't work -- so much for self-delusion!
It is my hope that people will not write these medications off entirely, even though they haven't been the magic bullets they were touted to be. Sure, they might not be the magical cure for all (or even many) people. But those of us who have been helped shouldn't have our characters or our experiences sneered at, either!
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Posted by: brianct on Nov 14, 2007 6:32 PM
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Jokela gunman said he used antidepressants
The Jokela gunman Pekka-Eric Auvinen is very likely to have used anti-depressant drugs, which have been linked with school massacres in the United States. A message written by “Sturmgeist89″, a pseudonym used by Auvinen, appeared on the Internet a short time ago stating that he took the mood-enhancers, although he hated them.
In a video that he placed on YouTube, Sturmgeist89 displays packages of Cipralex, Zoloft, Luvox, and Prozac pills. The video “SSRI-One Pill A Day Makes You Happy” criticises medicalisation.
The drugs in question are Selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs). Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, the perpetrators the massacre at Columbine High School in Colorado in the USA, had said that they took pills in the same class of drugs.
There is disagreement among experts as to whether or not the drugs can provoke destructive aggression.
In a message he put on an Internet chat room Pekka-Eric Auvinen suggests that he had started using anti-depressants during the past year.
“StormSpirit”, another pseudonym used by Auvinen, wrote on the Peliplaneetta.net website that he had suffered “from some degree of depression for about a year”.
Sturmgeist89 told a Danish former female acquaintance that he felt frustrated and aggressive because of the drugs. On the other hand, in his English-language message he said that he had stopped taking the pills, at least temporarily.
At Thursday’s press conference police said that Auvinen’s autopsy had not been completed, and that it was not yet known if he was under the influence of any medicines.
The police are checking with Auvinen’s parents and health care officials to see if he had been prescribed antidepressants. He also may have acquired them illegally or over the Internet.
The National Agency for Medicines recommends against prescribing SSRIs for people under the age of 18, because of the self-destructive or hostile emotions that they have been known to provoke'
and that this has been deliberatley ignored by the english language media.
google: auvinen zoloft to learn a little more.
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Posted by: NicholasM on Nov 14, 2007 6:47 PM
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Posted by: Bouldercreeker on Nov 14, 2007 10:18 PM
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I am a psychotherapist who has learned to respect the place of psychopharmaceuticals and to be disturbed by how readily M.D.'s write prescriptions with no other advice or referrals given.
For example, I recently had a client who was basically addicted to video games, had a deplorable diet consisting of sodas and pizza, lived in a dark room, rarely went outside, got no exercise, had no job nor any social life beyond virtual gaming 'friends.' My client had been prescribed antidepressasnts and simply sent home.
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Posted by: talkville on Nov 15, 2007 2:50 AM
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A good thorough look through Management Theory books on the shelves today, seen from other angles, would go a long way to watching this construction of a New Society and Culture. If behaviors are to be controlled and managed, they must be "diagnosed" and "defined" and then applied, ex post facto to the individual, who finds himself or herself suddenly suffering from 1001 "disorders" that only yesterday may have just been called idiosyncracies. Once labelled, you are ranked and can thereby be controlled.
In philology and etymology, the root "Cyber-" is grounded in reference to Government and Control. Something to think about at least, in the Cybersphere.
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Posted by: pikaomega on Nov 15, 2007 5:47 AM
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1. Yes, there is an epic trend over-prescription of pharmaceuticals in this country. Turn on the prime time network news, and you will see no less than three Big Pharma ads per commercial break. This same "ask your doctor" logic is behind the trend of non-responsive antibiotics. Where there is a dollar to be made, you will see Pfizer or Eli Lilly closely follow.
2. The diagnosis of psychological disorders has been diluted by the press, the pharmaceutical industry and their in-pocket doctors, to a point where those that actually do suffer are written off. I assure you that almost anyone with a serious mental illness has been dismissed with the familiar "Oh yeah, well I have (insert here)"
3. Counseling and therapy should be more widely employed, along with a conjunctive medication regiment, if necessary. This does not denote that the mentally ill have all been traumatically scarred, but in living with these disorders, you most certainly know that you are "different" from other people. Effective therapy, regardless of issues arising from past traumas, is improtant in order to learn how to function in a world that works very differently than you do.
4. Please, please, do not make this a debate on the role of profiteering on the part of the pharmaceutical industry. Those of us who wake up knowing that every day, for the rest of our lives, we will be chained to a pill in order to maintain the silghtest semblance of function, know better than most of the disregard of these profiteers. There is no equality in treatment for mental health issues, and there remains a serious stigma around these disorders. Most of us have been through a battalion of misdiagnosis and ineffctive medications. We know that there are side effects, but it is a cost-benefit analysis. No one who has gone a week without sleep, or heard voices, or seen things that weren't there doesn't yearn for anything to make that stop. Most are incredibly well versed in the possible side effects, and have decided that the possibility of harm outweighs the imminent danger posed by inaction.
There needs to be a revision in the way these issues are treated in our society. But diverting discussion into a debate over the validity of some diagnoses takes the focus away from getting help to those that desperately need it.
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Posted by: erykkafox on Nov 16, 2007 7:33 AM
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I agree with the comparison between antidepressants and gastric bypass surgery. If I hadn't been put on antidepressants, I would not be sitting here typing this response. I would have either killed myself or ended up in a hospital. Being on medication allows me to experience emotion more easily.
However, I do agree with the overmedication of this society. There's a huge difference between a case of the blues and depression. Unhappiness should be expected from life, but the desire to off yourself should not. The point I'm trying to make is, medication should be a last resort. There are so many non-invasive ways to lift your mood.
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Posted by: westomoon on Nov 16, 2007 12:28 PM
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However, once that kid makes it to adulthood, we call him/her "Mr. President" or "Dick Cheney" or "Tom DeLay" or "Rush Limbaugh" or "Ann Coulter"... Maybe we should sic Big Pharma onto the neocons. There's clearly a boatload of profit to be made in those fertile fields!
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Posted by: Camilla Cracchiolo on Nov 17, 2007 4:37 AM
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Well, "moody" wrecked his life and it was terrible to watch his suffering. Not to mention trying to live and love someone who may be in a rage one day and nearly suicidal the next.
He was on & off all kinds of drugs since early 40s in a desperate attempt to deal with the pain. No regular antidepressants worked so he stopped. And it kept getting worse.
One day he had a seizure (unrelated to medication which he had been off of completely for 5 years). Was put on gabapentin, an antiseizure drug that happens to be used for mood disorders too. In 24 hours mood disorder drastically improved and has stayed improved.
So, guess what? All those years, he had a variant of bipolar or some rage or cyclic mood disorder, but it wasn't obvious to the point where a doc would correctly call it. It took developing epilepsy to finally figure out the problem.
If someone can get a proper diagnosis in early years, it's a blessing, not a curse. If he had been diagnosed at 16 instead of 54 his whole life would have been different.
I don't like big pharma and think many marketing practices suck; "me-too drugs" are junk and yes, drug companies do conceal adverse effects.
But some things really ARE breakthoughs. People who have no personal or professional experience with mental illness or mood disorders should just shut up and stop spouting off about things they are ignorant of.
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Posted by: nal on Nov 18, 2007 2:38 PM
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I was diagnosed at age 29. Since 16 I had tried to find a way around my symptoms. We won't go into all the avenues I traveled. Suffice to say, until about a year ago I was lost in a world of my own creation.
On Lamictal, Seroquel, and Risperdal I find disgust at my need for these pills. Sometimes it seems like I eat as much food as the pills I take. But I wouldn't trade the way I feel now for the way I felt two years ago for a million bucks. I have trouble taking pills, at 17 I tried to kill myself with an amazing amount of pills... somehow I survived and I'm resentful of my illness and the drugs I have to take to achieve a normal life. But it's a fact, I need them.
Drug companies are extorting this, no doubt. But I don't think they're exactly pushing drugs upon people who don't need them. They're taking the burgeoning need and applying the best capitalist sense to it. Yes, I resent this, almost as much as I resent taking pills. But, the author has crossed the line in the hypothesis he presents. And the links he attempts to make, using bipolar as a article title and the subject matter really frustrates me. Because he spends his time talking about drugs that are rarely used in the treatment of bipolar and are NEVER pushed or lightly used with bipolar. Anti-depressants are the evil of bipolar. This is why all the years I tried to address my problems with drugs, I received negative effects... until I was properly diagnosed......
This author needs a crash course on psychotropic drugs and mood disorders before attempting to write another sentence........
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(I used to be a psych student with aspirations of getting a Ph.D.--NOT an M.D. Unfortunately, I ran out of money and was not ready for student loans.)
Personally, I thought the article was good. What a lot of people criticizing this author are not keeping in mind is that this is a topical newsmagazine (a Liberal one, at that.) It is a journalistic vehicle, NOT a medical or psychiatric journal. You read these pieces, and if you want to learn more, you follow the sources or read the studies or what-have-you.
My own opinion is that both bipolar AND ADD/ADHD are way over-diagnosed. I also believe the health/medical industry should be looking more at nutrition and at rates and types of thyroid disease.
But I never graduated college, so I'm probably just talking out my...*rhetoric*
~J-Mo
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(I used to be a psych student with aspirations of getting a Ph.D.--NOT an M.D. Unfortunately, I ran out of money and was not ready for student loans.)
Personally, I thought the article was good. What a lot of people criticizing this author are not keeping in mind is that this is a topical newsmagazine (a Liberal one, at that.) It is a journalistic vehicle, NOT a medical or psychiatric journal. You read these pieces, and if you want to learn more, you follow the sources or read the studies or what-have-you.
My own opinion is that both bipolar AND ADD/ADHD are way over-diagnosed. I also believe the health/medical industry should be looking more at nutrition and at rates and types of thyroid disease.
But I never graduated college, so I'm probably just talking out my...*rhetoric*
~J-Mo
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Posted by: DanielHaszard on Nov 14, 2007 12:26 AM
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Lilly's incentive not to readily disclose deadly side affects (up to ten times diabetes risk over non users) is they had billions coming in from state medicaid scripts?
Daniel Haszard http://www.zyprexa-victims.com
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Posted by: Turkiye on Nov 14, 2007 2:45 AM
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Being Bi-polar since my teens, now 51, misdiagnosed as clinically depressed until 40, anti-depressants, when Bi-polar triggers severe manic episodes at times triggering psychosis. The author should use care when speaking about drugs that will help or hinder mental illness, he may have caused irreparable harm.
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Posted by: Nightstallion on Nov 14, 2007 3:54 AM
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Virtually none of the people who have a degree in Psychology or Psychiatry today have read anything by him or know anything of him, but will profess to know all About him because they have read someone else’s work that proclaims to know and understand Reich’s’ work. This is the way of the lazy thinker: trust anyone else’s opinion more than your own
These idiots should be set to grinding wheat. No one is schizophrenic who has a good understanding of “self” without ego involvement. Now that statement right there is enough to put today’s Psychoanalyst off his feed. Reason: He is taught that good insight is dissociative thought process! There are no Psychoanalysts anymore anyway only behavior modifiers.
You need fixing and we will drug you into submission with chemicals that leave you in a state mimicking lobotomization. No cognitive thinking allowed! Frankly, the societal drift toward Fascism that has occurred in the last twenty years bears directly on the way Psychiatry is viewed as a whole. Look for enforced Psychosurgery to rear its ugly head again soon.
In this persons opinion the only cure for the Surgeon addicted to Psycho Surgery is being put against the wall and introduced to hollow pointed Forty-five Caliber rounds from a drum fed Thompson Machine Gun. Please people, think here do not allow these serpents to get in a position of power and authority again or they will reduce whole populations to a state bordering on the far side of Idiocy.
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Posted by: goeswithness on Nov 14, 2007 5:14 AM
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Just another example of "truthiness." And I would add, a touch of hysteria.
Of course anyone interested in a child's welfare doesn't want one to be on any medication they don't need to be, and I'm no fan of the way drugs are sold to us these days, but when considering very real quality of life issues, where a child may or may not function in the world, depending on treatment, where he or she may get further and further behind other kids, depending on treatment, and the child's social and academic problems snowball to levels more and more painful with larger consequences, it would be cruel and unethical not to explore available therapies. Much more so than with adults, with kids, time is of the essence. Special education teachers have nothing to do with prescribing drugs and, in my training, aren't even allowed to steer parents in that direction, but I have seen them really do some wonderful things.
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What it comes down to, for me, as a physician, is whether I can relieve suffering and "cause no harm". Some of the therapeutic effect of medication is ALWAYS placebo effect, but if people feel better and function better, why shouldn't they take these medications?
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Posted by: wilty on Nov 14, 2007 6:44 AM
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Adustment Disorder through Major Depression, to my current labeling. Who knows, maybe tomorrow, I'll be typed as Scizo-affective.
Even if there was such a thing as "pure science," I know that,
through it all, I am just a guinea pig as to to the big psycho picture. If one has never experienced a psychotic manic break, they have no experience to draw from, when it comes to empathy and the understanding of what a relief it is, that
there are stabilizing meds, such as Risperdone (an atypical anti-psychotic). In those moments, I don't give an owl's hoot, if it were M&M's acting as placebo.
Certainly, these drugs are not the magic bullets, they were once claimed to be. Their effectiveness declines, after time and the patient again goes on that critical journey to find a new med that will work. Meds for the severely crushing depressive episodes, and an Rx for the frightening assension into manic carnival time on speed. Yikes!!
Sure, there is corruption in Big Pharma, just like everywhere else, in our culture. No institution on through to the last societal nook and cranny is any longer exempt. This is the "American Way." Think Reagan. Know Bush!! Get it?
Nothing is going to change, and that includes treatment for mental illness until we adopt a brand NEW ethos. WE must change.
And to that, I say "Good luck!!!"
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Posted by: Pintado_Petrel on Nov 14, 2007 6:54 AM
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For the vast majority of the population, any kind of mind-changing medecine is just NOT necessary--but for the few folks who are really, really sick, they are a lifesaver. Same as getting a gastric bypass surgery. There are some people who are so critically obese that the cure, even with all its problems, is worth doing. Somebody like me who is packing on a few extra pounds, well, it'd be overkill.
The author seems to wander around her point quite a bit. Are antidepressants or antipsychotics bad? Is handing out drugs en mass bad, or is she criticizing the fact that big pharma is a lobby?
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Posted by: BenCaxton12 on Nov 14, 2007 7:33 AM
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The 'hook' on which the article hangs is essentially the Scientology argument, that since there is no simple blood test proving the Seritonin Theory, the clinical outcomes achieved with medications are simply part of a greedy, irresponsible scheme by drug companies to ... yadda yadda yadda ... and oh yeah, all those so-called "Medical Doctors" are in on the plot because Big Phama gives them promotional gifts and golf weekends.
Here's the thing about bipolar disorder:
Now that there's 'a simple pill' to treat it, the condition will probably be way over-diagnosed by School Therapists and Nurse Practitioners who have no business diagnosing in the first place.
But, the disease does exist. It doesn't get better by itself . And you really don't want to 'just live with it.' Nor do you much want to live with someone who has it. Combine the chronic negativity and occasional suicide dramas of deep Depression, with the impulsivity, unreason, hallucinations and delusions of Schizophrenia -- throw in some 72 hour bouts of insomnia -- and you've got some notion of how the disease affects people.
Alternating lithium and antidepressants eventually kills your liver and kidneys.
"Atypical anti psychotic medications" do allow more people to live better lives with fewer side effects than the older methods. The about them is, if you don't really need them, you REALLY don't want to take them.
The BIG warning that this is VERY SERIOUS medication ought to be the instruction that they are to be taken with 500-800 calories from FAT 'at bedtime' --- long story short: without a rigorous program of diet and athletic training, expect weight gains of 10-15% each year you're on the drug.
Then there's the published list of other side effects.
All of which sounds quite bad ... until you compare to treating schizophrenia with Psychoanalysis, prayer, and "healthy living" ... or treating it with Old Order anti psychotics such as Thorazine.
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Posted by: garry minor on Nov 14, 2007 7:40 AM
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Unfortunately for us our own Government and FDA have allowed the racist, moronic, ungodly, antichristian worldview imposed by the first drug czar Harry Anslinger, the Hearst, Dupont and other Corporations of that era to continue to this day.
Cannabis is illegal because everything made from oil, coal, timber, or cotton can be made with it. All paper, plastics, packaging, paints, varnishes, textiles, rope, lubricants, netting, pressed board products, structural components, many health foods, cosmetics, and medicines can all be made with ecologically friendly kaneh bosm, cannabis, hemp! In 1938 Popular Mechanics wrote that it could be the first billion dollar crop and could provide over 25,000 products. Henry Ford built and fueled a car primarily with hemp. Synthetic plastics were developed using cellulose technology. The hemp seed is the single most nutritious thing you can eat. Our Government stockpiles it under Executive order #12919 yet deny it to us today. It would revolutionize our diet. This seed could also replace the need for hormones and remnants in our feedstock which is why American beef is banned in Europe. These additives are related to the BSE's in our foodchain which are shown to cause plaque and mental deterioration in some people. Hemp industrialization will create millions of jobs from the farm to the laboratory. It will begin a re-distribution of wealth.
The Pharmaceutical and all these other industries will stop at nothing to keep the public ignorant about the value of hemp. They promote themselves! The D.A.R.E. program is funded mainly by Kimberly-Clark, the paper company. They will watch the world burn before they give up control. Every year alcohol and tobacco kill a million people and cost us billions of dollars in health care, creating all kinds of problems. These industries also continue the fight against cannabis. Cannabis on the other hand has not killed one person in the entire history of mankind, can be used in place of either alcohol and tobacco safely, even treating the illness caused by them.
Something is wrong with this picture!
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Posted by: emoryricketson on Nov 14, 2007 7:47 AM
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In some cases SSRIs save lives.
In most cases they are "treating" social dysfuntion like family, economic and job problems
I have written on this topic on www. medicationsense.com
(scroll down to July/Sept 2004)
Many others have written good articles on this topic. Just google it.
This "medicalization or disease mongering" is a national disgrace
I won't be happy until BigPhRMA CEOs do jail time
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Posted by: aberdeen on Nov 14, 2007 9:47 AM
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It is abnormal for human beings to be in a perpetual state of "normalcy". It is abnormal for children to be well-behaved and to not be restless from sitting for far too long in far too often boring classroom environments. It is abnormal for children to always behave as adults want them to behave.
It doesn't take a PhD in behavioral science to understand that. Any moron knows that mood swings are normal. What is abnormal, are moron educators and social "experts" who believe there is something wrong with a child who exhibits various mood swings.
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Posted by: PaulK on Nov 14, 2007 10:21 AM
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Next, artificial colorings set off a lot of kids. They're rather strongly allergic to the chemical. So does the caffeine machine in the school cafeteria. Or maybe it's all that high-fructose corn syrup.
Dishonorable chemical mention: fattening hormones in feedlots. They work twice!! We jiggle in and out of our cars for a reason, and yes 400 lbs affects our mood.
Doctors need to look at causes, not cures. Unfortunately they're all locked away in offices, far from the front lines.
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Posted by: LeaderofMen on Nov 14, 2007 11:30 AM
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They rely on an age-old technique called 'pseudo-scientific jargon'. They MAKE you think you have a disease that you do not have.
If you buy in to any advertising on TV you are a MORON. Sorry, I learned this in 9th grade. I was a freshman in high school when we were expressly taught about this technique and other advertising techniques to foist products onto people.
I guess they don't teach this anymore.
And that was in a PUBLIC SCHOOL.
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Posted by: DaBear on Nov 14, 2007 12:00 PM
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Our own experience with NAMI is that, at least on the local county level, they're a bunch of do-gooders who try hard but their model is a bit "off." They are really into pushing legislation that, among other things, helps the family of patients force the patient into treatment or onto meds. When we tried to get NAMI to advocate for anti-discriminatory legislation we got cold shouldered. They supported and thought the world of the local sheriff unit that has a record of shooting suicidal people (ironically who get suicidal on their meds like Zoloft and Depakote, yipe! I remember that ride...). They seem to be really invested in seeing the attention-different (usually bi-polar) person from the "illness" or "problem" model rather than an "adaptive-gene" model. Now I wonder if it's the Ely-Lilly connection driving that. Either that or do-gooding isn't suffiecient a basis for advocacy for people who are wired differently.
In any case, the problem model has a very limited use, even though it makes parents and siblings initially feel supported. The only people I know who have been successful in coping with mental illness (patients and their families alike) and leading very full, albeit highly energetic and "interresting" lives have been those that have chosen to use an adaptive-gene or wired-different model.
In that model a person with BP or Schizphrenia or ADHD, Tourettes, Autism, just is the way they are, not "bad" but "different." Meds are employed to allow the "patient" to adapt to their natural wiring and avoid the destructive elements of their wiring such as not having to resort to the ultimate pain relief (suicide). There's an emphasis on the gift that wiring brings--like Thom Hatman's Hunter notion for ADD/HD, George Lyn's Fearless Explorer for TS, Magician for Autism, Warrior for BP. It's not that there aren't problems that come up in that model... just ask anyone who's had to watch a sibling ride a roller coaster of a BP rapid cycle with 3 days of deep depression where they can't even brush their teeth or open their eyes followed by 2 days of playing chicken in urban bus traffic. On meds that may be reduced but that cycle is still there (it might be 3 days of cranky negativity or "moodiness" followed by 2 days of blissful optimism, but it's still a cycle and it's visible). If you over medicate that sibling can end up flat and numb, the dull vacant look in their eyes makes you want to weep because you feel happy not to have to ride the crazy coaster or the moody with them but look at them, they're not themselves, their chemically flattened. The adaptive model isn't a panecea and it doesn't alter the reality of someone's very different wiring from what society deems "normal." But it's a hell of a lot more effective than seeing the wired-different person as a problem to be drugged into submission and flattened into sub-humanness, caged up and shot at by paramilitarized cops fresh from Baghdad or Kabul, deprived of housing because NAMI wanted the distraught family not the patient to have the final word over whether a person has civil and human rights or not due to their mental state. The problem model families seem to suffer a hell of a lot more and often they're fighting over and with meds and cops constantly.
At the same time, NAMI is pretty much the only group out there with a presence. We went through several of their free training workshops but frankly, their "services" weren't supportive and weren't all that helpful. Wailing about more drugs and cops to "handle" patients just doesn't seem like it's a good idea to us.
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Sure, a lot of these drugs are overused; but when necessary, they work wonders.
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Posted by: sofla100 on Nov 14, 2007 12:36 PM
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1. Counseling and therapy are being sidetracked and not being used often enough, or at least not being used in conjunction with medication. Most of the reason is economic, because insurance companies find paying for the pills to be cheaper than the therapy.
2. The mental health field is subject to changing definitions for observed conditions, no question about it. For example, the rapid rise in what is now diagnosed as autism. A decade back many of these same individuals would have been diagnosed with developmental delays. You have some of this also operating with the so-called borderline personality disorder, depression versus manic-depression and "adjustment disorders," etc.
3. Changing definitions of diagnoses does not however, negate that the best way to help people is often really a combination of counseling and medication. I wish the author of this article had said this. Where things go wrong is that some people may not need to be indefinetly on meds, although some might, but others will not.
4. Big Pharma is a problem, yes indeed. But, this has to do with the fact that they are going to keep changing the molecular structure of psych drugs just a tiny bit so they can patent the change and then market the drug. This is big money at work. Psychiatrists just need to look, however, at if "cheaper" drugs will do the same thing, perhaps are even better. And, use generics where available.
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Posted by: pikaomega on Nov 14, 2007 1:10 PM
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As an infant, my circadian rythym ran anywhere from 18-24 hours for days on end, followed by what my mother called a "sleepy day", which meant roughly 24 hours of sleep. As I got older, my depressive episodes led to, and I mean this literally, 11 months spent in my bedroom in solitude, emerging to use the restroom and make meals, which I immediately took back to my bunker. This period was marked with the occasional mania, where I would do things such as wake my younger brothers up in the middle of the night to play outside. Regardless of which end of the spectrum I was on at any given moment, sleep was difficult to come by, and I rarely dozed off before 2 am, only to be woken at 6 am to catch the school bus.
At 17, I had my first nervous breakdown. In bed for a month and a half, I was physically dragged to a doctor, I was diagnosed with Bi-Polar I Disorder, defined as the more extreme of the two, exhibiting rapid mood swings and possible psychotic episodes. My poor attendance prevented my graduating from high school, regardless of the fact that when I returned to class after two months, I was averaging an A- in all classes.
I learned to deal with the days without sleep, the inability to hold a coherent thought, the listlessness that became my life. Where depression was the norm in my younger days, as I got older, mania became the standard. My sleeplessness would average 2-3 days, at my most level moments. After my grandfather, with whom I shared a bond that words cannot do justice, passed away in 2003, I was engulfed by an indescribable, horrific wave of mania. This began as 3-4 days proceeded by 6 hours of sleep...then 5-6 days with about 3 hours of sleep...then 8-9 days, nodding of for 15 minutes at a time every once in a while. This manic episode spanned 4 1/2 months; I could not talk, I wandered in circles around my house, not knowing where I was. After a suicide attempt, I was admitted to a psychatric ward-10 days without sleep. Here I had a psychotic breakdown, was strapped to a gurney and injected with a massive dose of Adavan. And I slept.
I had been given medication, but like so many people who have this, I felt better and stopped taking my meds. On Mother's Day of 2005, ironically enough, my mom and brother rushed to my apartment to find me sobbing uncontrollably. I slipped here and never came back. Three days after Christmas, I was re-admitted to the psych ward.
I am lucky. I have a wonderful resident doctor (which means that I can afford the otherwise impossible $12 monthly fee and get sample medication), am on a regiment of meds that works and am fairly stable. Still, I have upswings, where my brain feels like I am being electrocuted. I never know when this will happen, and I am aware that odds are someday I will slip off of the edge again.
People need to realize that this is a physical disorder. It is no different or less serious than something that shows up on a lab test or an x-ray. We need mental health parity in our healthcare system. We need understanding from other people that this is serious and life threatening. My mother has repeatedly had my landlords unlock my door to make sure that I am still alive. My brother was amazed when I turned 26 last year, because he was sure that I would have been gone by then. This is a situation that not only tears apart the lives of we who experience it, but makes our loved ones hurt with us, knowing that we exist in torment and that they can only stand by, watch, and wait for the day when it finally claims us.
I apologize for the length of this comment, but I can only hope that my experience can show others that there is hope, and that understanding and support is crucial to its management.
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Nov 14, 2007 2:35 PM
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Fact two is that established drugs or no drugs at all are generally safer than the "hot new product" which was usually cooked up in order to have a patented replacement. If a drug has been in use for 30 years, there's a better chance that doctors will have discovered any problems with it (take for example Vioxx and Celebrex, celebrated pain drugs that also caused heart damage - cannabis sativa-sourced THC would have been a safer choice for those patients).
Fact 3 is that the basis of the pharmaceutical business is not R&D, but rather sales and marketing. That's the heart of the pharmaceutical business - take whatever crappy drug you've got the patent to and pump it up using every available avenue. A great example of how that works is Tamiflu - the patent is owned by Donald Rumsfeld's old company, Gilead Biosciences, and the U.S. government acted as their Tamiflu marketing assistant - G.W. Bush held huge news conferences on the "Avian Flu Threat" and Gilead made millions off of Tamiflu sales - a drug which, incidentally, will provide little if any protection against a flu outbreak, and which also has nasty side effects.
The bottom line is that the patient is now viewed by the vast majority of the corporate medical system as just another consumer. The more drugs you can stuff into the consumer, and the more the consumer pays for each drug, the better off the pharmaceutical industry is. It doesn't really matter who pays for the drug - the government, the health care insurer - as long as the cash keeps flowing in. That's the essence of the drug business for you - it's all about control of intellectual property, huge marketing campaigns, and keeping quiet about the ridiculously low cost of drug synthesis.
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Posted by: nal on Nov 14, 2007 5:27 PM
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So the title is "Moody is the New BiPolar" but the author talks about anti-depressants the whole time which are hardly ever used in the treatment of bipolar or 'manic depression'.
Anti-Depressants have negative effects on people with bipolar - so after reading the content of this article, the title is quite misinformative, and a little insulting that the author uses bi-polar as a flag for a discussion on drugs that aren't even used for bipolar. Not to mention, most psychiatrists hesitate at ever making a diagnosis of bipolar in children.
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Posted by: sweet_byrd on Nov 14, 2007 5:42 PM
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Some people have told me that my positive response is nothing more than a placebo effect -- that I could get the same benefit (the "honestly and for real" tacked onto this idea is implied but very real) through cognitive-behavioral therapy. I deeply resent the implication that I am taking the easy way out, or merely deluding myself. I tried years of cognitive therapy. And though there was some slight improvement, it was nothing compared to taking the medication. I might add that I was deeply skeptical of the 'magic pills' and almost certain that they wouldn't work -- so much for self-delusion!
It is my hope that people will not write these medications off entirely, even though they haven't been the magic bullets they were touted to be. Sure, they might not be the magical cure for all (or even many) people. But those of us who have been helped shouldn't have our characters or our experiences sneered at, either!
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Jokela gunman said he used antidepressants
The Jokela gunman Pekka-Eric Auvinen is very likely to have used anti-depressant drugs, which have been linked with school massacres in the United States. A message written by “Sturmgeist89″, a pseudonym used by Auvinen, appeared on the Internet a short time ago stating that he took the mood-enhancers, although he hated them.
In a video that he placed on YouTube, Sturmgeist89 displays packages of Cipralex, Zoloft, Luvox, and Prozac pills. The video “SSRI-One Pill A Day Makes You Happy” criticises medicalisation.
The drugs in question are Selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs). Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, the perpetrators the massacre at Columbine High School in Colorado in the USA, had said that they took pills in the same class of drugs.
There is disagreement among experts as to whether or not the drugs can provoke destructive aggression.
In a message he put on an Internet chat room Pekka-Eric Auvinen suggests that he had started using anti-depressants during the past year.
“StormSpirit”, another pseudonym used by Auvinen, wrote on the Peliplaneetta.net website that he had suffered “from some degree of depression for about a year”.
Sturmgeist89 told a Danish former female acquaintance that he felt frustrated and aggressive because of the drugs. On the other hand, in his English-language message he said that he had stopped taking the pills, at least temporarily.
At Thursday’s press conference police said that Auvinen’s autopsy had not been completed, and that it was not yet known if he was under the influence of any medicines.
The police are checking with Auvinen’s parents and health care officials to see if he had been prescribed antidepressants. He also may have acquired them illegally or over the Internet.
The National Agency for Medicines recommends against prescribing SSRIs for people under the age of 18, because of the self-destructive or hostile emotions that they have been known to provoke'
and that this has been deliberatley ignored by the english language media.
google: auvinen zoloft to learn a little more.
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Posted by: NicholasM on Nov 14, 2007 6:47 PM
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Posted by: Bouldercreeker on Nov 14, 2007 10:18 PM
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I am a psychotherapist who has learned to respect the place of psychopharmaceuticals and to be disturbed by how readily M.D.'s write prescriptions with no other advice or referrals given.
For example, I recently had a client who was basically addicted to video games, had a deplorable diet consisting of sodas and pizza, lived in a dark room, rarely went outside, got no exercise, had no job nor any social life beyond virtual gaming 'friends.' My client had been prescribed antidepressasnts and simply sent home.
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Posted by: talkville on Nov 15, 2007 2:50 AM
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A good thorough look through Management Theory books on the shelves today, seen from other angles, would go a long way to watching this construction of a New Society and Culture. If behaviors are to be controlled and managed, they must be "diagnosed" and "defined" and then applied, ex post facto to the individual, who finds himself or herself suddenly suffering from 1001 "disorders" that only yesterday may have just been called idiosyncracies. Once labelled, you are ranked and can thereby be controlled.
In philology and etymology, the root "Cyber-" is grounded in reference to Government and Control. Something to think about at least, in the Cybersphere.
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Posted by: pikaomega on Nov 15, 2007 5:47 AM
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1. Yes, there is an epic trend over-prescription of pharmaceuticals in this country. Turn on the prime time network news, and you will see no less than three Big Pharma ads per commercial break. This same "ask your doctor" logic is behind the trend of non-responsive antibiotics. Where there is a dollar to be made, you will see Pfizer or Eli Lilly closely follow.
2. The diagnosis of psychological disorders has been diluted by the press, the pharmaceutical industry and their in-pocket doctors, to a point where those that actually do suffer are written off. I assure you that almost anyone with a serious mental illness has been dismissed with the familiar "Oh yeah, well I have (insert here)"
3. Counseling and therapy should be more widely employed, along with a conjunctive medication regiment, if necessary. This does not denote that the mentally ill have all been traumatically scarred, but in living with these disorders, you most certainly know that you are "different" from other people. Effective therapy, regardless of issues arising from past traumas, is improtant in order to learn how to function in a world that works very differently than you do.
4. Please, please, do not make this a debate on the role of profiteering on the part of the pharmaceutical industry. Those of us who wake up knowing that every day, for the rest of our lives, we will be chained to a pill in order to maintain the silghtest semblance of function, know better than most of the disregard of these profiteers. There is no equality in treatment for mental health issues, and there remains a serious stigma around these disorders. Most of us have been through a battalion of misdiagnosis and ineffctive medications. We know that there are side effects, but it is a cost-benefit analysis. No one who has gone a week without sleep, or heard voices, or seen things that weren't there doesn't yearn for anything to make that stop. Most are incredibly well versed in the possible side effects, and have decided that the possibility of harm outweighs the imminent danger posed by inaction.
There needs to be a revision in the way these issues are treated in our society. But diverting discussion into a debate over the validity of some diagnoses takes the focus away from getting help to those that desperately need it.
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Posted by: Pseudonym on Nov 15, 2007 11:26 AM
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Posted by: erykkafox on Nov 16, 2007 7:33 AM
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I agree with the comparison between antidepressants and gastric bypass surgery. If I hadn't been put on antidepressants, I would not be sitting here typing this response. I would have either killed myself or ended up in a hospital. Being on medication allows me to experience emotion more easily.
However, I do agree with the overmedication of this society. There's a huge difference between a case of the blues and depression. Unhappiness should be expected from life, but the desire to off yourself should not. The point I'm trying to make is, medication should be a last resort. There are so many non-invasive ways to lift your mood.
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Posted by: westomoon on Nov 16, 2007 12:28 PM
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However, once that kid makes it to adulthood, we call him/her "Mr. President" or "Dick Cheney" or "Tom DeLay" or "Rush Limbaugh" or "Ann Coulter"... Maybe we should sic Big Pharma onto the neocons. There's clearly a boatload of profit to be made in those fertile fields!
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Posted by: talkville on Nov 16, 2007 11:08 PM
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Posted by: Camilla Cracchiolo on Nov 17, 2007 4:37 AM
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Well, "moody" wrecked his life and it was terrible to watch his suffering. Not to mention trying to live and love someone who may be in a rage one day and nearly suicidal the next.
He was on & off all kinds of drugs since early 40s in a desperate attempt to deal with the pain. No regular antidepressants worked so he stopped. And it kept getting worse.
One day he had a seizure (unrelated to medication which he had been off of completely for 5 years). Was put on gabapentin, an antiseizure drug that happens to be used for mood disorders too. In 24 hours mood disorder drastically improved and has stayed improved.
So, guess what? All those years, he had a variant of bipolar or some rage or cyclic mood disorder, but it wasn't obvious to the point where a doc would correctly call it. It took developing epilepsy to finally figure out the problem.
If someone can get a proper diagnosis in early years, it's a blessing, not a curse. If he had been diagnosed at 16 instead of 54 his whole life would have been different.
I don't like big pharma and think many marketing practices suck; "me-too drugs" are junk and yes, drug companies do conceal adverse effects.
But some things really ARE breakthoughs. People who have no personal or professional experience with mental illness or mood disorders should just shut up and stop spouting off about things they are ignorant of.
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Posted by: nal on Nov 18, 2007 2:38 PM
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I was diagnosed at age 29. Since 16 I had tried to find a way around my symptoms. We won't go into all the avenues I traveled. Suffice to say, until about a year ago I was lost in a world of my own creation.
On Lamictal, Seroquel, and Risperdal I find disgust at my need for these pills. Sometimes it seems like I eat as much food as the pills I take. But I wouldn't trade the way I feel now for the way I felt two years ago for a million bucks. I have trouble taking pills, at 17 I tried to kill myself with an amazing amount of pills... somehow I survived and I'm resentful of my illness and the drugs I have to take to achieve a normal life. But it's a fact, I need them.
Drug companies are extorting this, no doubt. But I don't think they're exactly pushing drugs upon people who don't need them. They're taking the burgeoning need and applying the best capitalist sense to it. Yes, I resent this, almost as much as I resent taking pills. But, the author has crossed the line in the hypothesis he presents. And the links he attempts to make, using bipolar as a article title and the subject matter really frustrates me. Because he spends his time talking about drugs that are rarely used in the treatment of bipolar and are NEVER pushed or lightly used with bipolar. Anti-depressants are the evil of bipolar. This is why all the years I tried to address my problems with drugs, I received negative effects... until I was properly diagnosed......
This author needs a crash course on psychotropic drugs and mood disorders before attempting to write another sentence........
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Posted by: J_Mo on Nov 19, 2007 11:15 AM
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(I used to be a psych student with aspirations of getting a Ph.D.--NOT an M.D. Unfortunately, I ran out of money and was not ready for student loans.)
Personally, I thought the article was good. What a lot of people criticizing this author are not keeping in mind is that this is a topical newsmagazine (a Liberal one, at that.) It is a journalistic vehicle, NOT a medical or psychiatric journal. You read these pieces, and if you want to learn more, you follow the sources or read the studies or what-have-you.
My own opinion is that both bipolar AND ADD/ADHD are way over-diagnosed. I also believe the health/medical industry should be looking more at nutrition and at rates and types of thyroid disease.
But I never graduated college, so I'm probably just talking out my...*rhetoric*
~J-Mo
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Posted by: J_Mo on Nov 19, 2007 11:16 AM
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(I used to be a psych student with aspirations of getting a Ph.D.--NOT an M.D. Unfortunately, I ran out of money and was not ready for student loans.)
Personally, I thought the article was good. What a lot of people criticizing this author are not keeping in mind is that this is a topical newsmagazine (a Liberal one, at that.) It is a journalistic vehicle, NOT a medical or psychiatric journal. You read these pieces, and if you want to learn more, you follow the sources or read the studies or what-have-you.
My own opinion is that both bipolar AND ADD/ADHD are way over-diagnosed. I also believe the health/medical industry should be looking more at nutrition and at rates and types of thyroid disease.
But I never graduated college, so I'm probably just talking out my...*rhetoric*
~J-Mo
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