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The Bush Administration Plans to Blame You for Iraq

By William Astore, Tomdispatch.com. Posted November 9, 2007.


After holding so few high-level government and military officials accountable for failures in Iraq, Bush needs a scapegoat.
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The world's finest military launches a highly coordinated shock-and-awe attack that shows enormous initial progress. There's talk of the victorious troops being home for Christmas. But the war unexpectedly drags on. As fighting persists into a third, and then a fourth year, voices are heard calling for negotiations, even "peace without victory." Dismissing such peaceniks and critics as defeatists, a conservative and expansionist regime -- led by a figurehead who often resorts to simplistic slogans and his Machiavellian sidekick who is considered the brains behind the throne -- calls for one last surge to victory. Unbeknownst to the people on the home front, however, this duo has already prepared a seductive and self-exculpatory myth in case the surge fails.

The United States in 2007? No, Wilhelmine Germany in 1917 and 1918, as its military dictators, Field Marshal Paul von Hindenburg and his loyal second, General Erich Ludendorff, pushed Germany toward defeat and revolution in a relentless pursuit of victory in World War I. Having failed with their surge strategy on the Western Front in 1918, they nevertheless succeeded in deploying a stab-in-the-back myth, or Dolchstoßlegende, that shifted blame for defeat from themselves and Rightist politicians to Social Democrats and others allegedly responsible for losing the war by their failure to support the troops at home.

The German Army knew it was militarily defeated in 1918. But this was an inconvenient truth for Hindenburg and the Right, so they crafted a new "truth": that the troops were "unvanquished in the field." So powerful did these words become that they would be engraved in stone on many a German war memorial.

It's a myth we ourselves are familiar with. As South Vietnam was collapsing in 1975, Army Colonel Harry G. Summers, Jr., speaking to a North Vietnamese counterpart, claimed the U.S. military had never lost a battle in Vietnam. Perhaps so, the NVA colonel replied, "but it is also irrelevant." Summers recounts his conversation approvingly, without irony, in his book On Strategy: A Critical Analysis of the Vietnam War. For him, even if we lost the war, our Army proved itself "unbeatable."

Though Summers' premise was -- and remains -- dangerously misleading, it reassured the true believers who ran, and continue to run, our military. Those military men who were less convinced of our "unbeatable" stature tended to keep their own counsel. Their self-censorship, coupled with wider institutional self-deception, effectively opened the door to exculpatory myths.

A New American Stab-in-the-Back?

Warnings about a new stab-in-the-back myth may seem premature or overheated at this moment in the Iraq War. Yet, if the history of the original version of this myth is any guide, the opposite is true. They are timely precisely because the Dolchstoßlegende was not a post-war concoction, but an explanation cunningly, even cynically, hatched by Rightists in Germany before the failure of the desperate, final "victory offensive" of 1918 became fully apparent. Although Hindenburg's dramatic testimony in November 1919 -- a full year after the armistice that ended the war -- popularized the myth in Germany, it caught fire precisely because the tinder had been laid to dry two years earlier.

It may seem farfetched to compare a Prussian military dictatorship and its self-serving lies to the current Bush administration. Yet I'm not the first person to express concern about the emergence of our very own Iraqi Dolchstoßlegende. Back in 2004, Matthew Yglesias first brought up the possibility. Last year, in Harper's Magazine, Kevin Baker detailed the history of the stab-in-the-back, suggesting that Bush's Iraqi version was already beginning to germinate early in 2005, when news from Iraq turned definitively sour. And this October, in The Nation, Eric Alterman warned that the Bush administration was already busily sowing the seeds of this myth. Other Iraqi myth-trackers have included Gary Kamiya at Salon.com, and Jeremy Brecher and Brendan Smith at Commondreams.org. Just this August, Thomas Ricks, Washington Post columnist and author of the bestselling book, Fiasco, worried publicly about whether the military itself wasn't already embracing elements of the myth whose specific betrayers would include "weasely politicians" (are there any other kind?) and a "media who undercut us by focusing on the negative."


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William J. Astore, a retired lieutenant colonel (USAF), now teaches at the Pennsylvania College of Technology. His books and articles focus primarily on military history and include Hindenburg: Icon of German Militarism (Potomac Press, 2005). He may be reached at wastore@pct.edu.

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You always have to look strong and smart even if you’re weak and stupid
Posted by: Lector on Nov 9, 2007 12:36 AM   
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During my experience in the military, in many cases, when something went wrong due to the mismanagement of an officer’s actions, the accountability eventually shifted in some form or other down the chain of command toward the lowest men on the totem pole, the enlisted. Admitting accountability would show weakness and affect morale. Since the “people” in our country are not privy to what’s really going on in the halls of our government, they are being set up in a rigged system from the start.

Pointless

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Pharmakos and Gargantua
Posted by: talkville on Nov 9, 2007 1:07 AM   
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In magic metaphysics, as the Sin expands in volume, so then does the Expiatory Ritual expand in kind. The Elect will always be cleansed for they are the Pure. And Pharmakos will satiate the angry gods. Get ready for Captain Blame, who likes his Freedom and delivers his Responsibility to you; a neat and tidy "sharing".

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Shame on You AlterNet!
Posted by: Tom Degan on Nov 9, 2007 2:51 AM   
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This utter failure in Iraq isn't the fault of George W. Bush, It's all AlterNet's fault! AlterNet and the American hating vermon who read AlterNet - YIKES! That would mean me!

I'll just have to 'fess up, right here and now: I hate America.

I hate America so much, that of the seven book shelves I have in my apartment, at least seventy percent of the books on those shelves deal with the history of this beautiful country that I despise so passionately.

I hate America so much that I once ran for the New York State Senate.

I hate America so much, that John Phillip Sousa's Stars and Stripes Forever still cheers me up whenever I hear it.

I hate America so much, that whenever I visit the FDR Library and museum in Hyde Park, NY, I always feel better about this country (which I can't stand) every time I go there.

I hate this country so much, That I can recite Abraham Lincoln's (that awful man) Gettysburg Address by heart.

I hate America so much, That I can name you every president in order - Front to back and back to front.

I hate America so much that I, purposely, conspired to insure that it would lose the war in Iraq. It's all my fault. And yours. And AlterNet's.

Shame on you. Shame on....Shame....We won't get fooled again.

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
There's No News Like Fake News

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» RE: Shame on You AlterNet! Posted by: Knowmad
» RE: Shame on You AlterNet! Posted by: Jefferson's Guardian
» RE: Shame on You AlterNet! Posted by: Lauren
DEMOCRATIC LEADERSHIP BURIES CHENEY IMPEACHMENT
Posted by: Rshaw on Nov 9, 2007 2:57 AM   
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why why why

Democrat leadership bury Cheney impeachment

So sad...

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» Paul/Kucinich ticket? Strange bedfellows, indeed Posted by: Jefferson's Guardian
» RE: Thanks for info on Reagan/Bush... Posted by: Jefferson's Guardian
» Cheney buried Cheney's impeachment Posted by: eddie torres
» because we still vote for them Posted by: EKSwitaj
If the war-supporters....
Posted by: mizipi on Nov 9, 2007 3:04 AM   
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supported the war while serving in Iraq and not sitting on their asses here in the States, we would have won this war years ago. If Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, Thomas Friedman, et al would have joined the military and put their asses on the line and proved to us that they really believed in George Bush and Dick Cheney and the New World Order, if only.....gas would be $1.69.9 a gallon, mortgage interest rates would be 1%, George Bush would appoint the next president, Congress and the Supreme Court could be dissolved (saving the American taxpayers billion$)...if only.....

Our politicians and MSM pundits and right-wingnuts are so detached from the reality of middle America, too detached to think in a logical fashion. This is a little off-subject, but the same folks are the ones so vehemently opposed to immigration, because they realize that the new immigrants might have enough 'cojones' to do what our fore-fathers did a little over 200 years ago and write something similar to the Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights.

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We must never let Bushco forget...
Posted by: Angel1961 on Nov 9, 2007 3:35 AM   
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...that he based this war on lies. That would be the job of the Dems- very loudly over and over, to constantly remind him and the nation that this war should never have happened. That thousands of soldiers are dead or maimed as a result of his lies. But I doubt they will.

Bush does not understand the concepts of "responsibility" and "accountability" because he was raised without ever having to acquire them. So of course he will blame others. We know what a weak character he is.

But what makes us think the dems won't also? They smacked down Rep. Stark when he spoke truth to power and they squandered the opportunity to impeach Cheney that was offered by Dennis Kucinich this week. I have an eerie feeling that if a pro-war dem (like Hillary) gets in, she will do her best to help the nation forget about the lies that started this war and work perpetual (GWOT) war to repay the defense and security contractors that put her into power.

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Shot in the foot
Posted by: robchapman on Nov 9, 2007 3:52 AM   
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The Bush Administration alienated the Turks in the run up to the Invasion with the result that the Fourrth Infantry Division did not provide a norhern wing of the invasion.

The Bush Administration provided only 1/3 the number of men needed to occupy the country after the Iraqi Army was defeated. According to the publicly available Army manuals- written by David Petraeus- a country the size of Iraq would require at least 450,000 men to occupy it.

When historians recall this war, they will not recall a nation stabbed in the back. Instead they will study a nation that shot itself in the foot.

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» RE: Shot in the foot Posted by: PJAW
» And like Viet Nam... Posted by: aka_bozo
The war is our fault.
Posted by: douglashoyt on Nov 9, 2007 5:04 AM   
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"The fault does not lay in the stars...but in ourselves."

The American public bought the pig, now we must eat its rotting carcus.

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» RE: The war is our fault. Posted by: Jefferson's Guardian
» RE: The war is our fault. Posted by: JSquercia
No Sacrifice Needed
Posted by: JSquercia on Nov 9, 2007 5:42 AM   
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I too believe tht WE the 74% who oppose the war will be BLAMED for snatching victory away from our troops .
Many of that 74% saw the folly of this ILLEGAL Invasion even before it occurred . I was in New York City prior to the invasion and witnessed the thousands who protested in spite of being herded into cages . It was an event largely IGNORED by the so called Liberal Media , as has been the case with basically all other anti War Protests and as someone said if it is NOT ON TV it didn't happen .
The most telling point of the article is of course the fact that the Administration did NOT call upon the American People to sacrifice ANYTHING for this endless war . Bush's advice after 911 was to go shopping. The Administration even CUT taxes during the war an event NEVER BEFORE done in our history and so far as I can tell in ANYONES history . This is part of the reason for the percipitous decline of the dollar in world markets and is part of the reason for OIL trading at almost 100 a barrel .
A final thought on Sacrifice . Most of the elite in this country have no one serving in the All volunter Armed forces . I am particularly incensed by the likes of MItt Romney who DARES to tell us that his military age sons are doing MORE for their country by helping his campaign than by serving in the war he so adamantly supports .

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» RE: No Sacrifice Needed Posted by: surfreality
» RE: No Sacrifice Needed Posted by: aka_bozo
Will Iran be our fault too? They are now fixing facts....
Posted by: Angel1961 on Nov 9, 2007 5:46 AM   
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...around the intelligence to go to war with Iran.
The National Intelligence Estimate regarding the threat from Iran has been held up for a year:

"The US National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) on Iran has been held up for more than a year in an effort to force the intelligence community to remove dissenting judgments on the Iranian nuclear program. The aim is to make the document more supportive of Vice President Dick Cheney's militarily aggressive policy toward Iran, according to accounts provided by participants in the NIE process to two former Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) officers."

Spooks Refuse to Toe Cheney's Line on Iran.

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» You don't say... Posted by: mjglow
Let Him Blame the American People. Let Him!
Posted by: Jefferson's Guardian on Nov 9, 2007 5:48 AM   
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My feeling, all along, has been that since Mr. Bush pushed us, illegally and deceitfully, into an unnecessary "war" (and I use the term loosely, since it's really an occupation), that he and his administration should be made accountable for this horrific and unconstitutional threat to the American people. Since he "broke it", the only legitimate restitution is that he "fix it". Only impeachment (and more ideally, removal from office) will clear the stench of illegitimacy that this government has created since initially placed into office by a flippant decision made in haste by the highest court in the land.

Impeachment will tell a story about how and why we started an aggression. It will contain sub-plots about indefinite detention and torture and the means of repression here at home, including the suppression of dissent. It will make it clear to future governments that the American people place great value in the words, and intentions, behind this great experiment in justice and freedom for all.

Let Mr. Bush blame the American people. Let him blame them from his seat before the Senate during his impeachment trial. Let him blame them then.

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Real War
Posted by: fdgsr on Nov 9, 2007 6:00 AM   
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We have not fought a real war since WWII. Korean War started out OK, but became bogged down in the office of the Commander-in-Chief. Truman tried to fight Korean War as a political statement of American virtue. MacArthur tried to fight the war to win it and then apply American virtue with Civil Affairs. Ever since Douglas was canned by Harry, military 'leaders' are cowed by the politicians. MacArthur needed the lesson in civics that Truman taught him, but he needed to win the Korean War first. Eisenhower did that for America in WWII. He won first, then learned his civics lessons from the White House. Japanese and German leaders learned their lessons in front of firing squads and in prison cells.

Any American military officer knows that the road to promotion is the obvious lie. The Army political machine says, "The Commander-in-Chief can do no wrong, but cover your own ass with paper." In America, you can never cover your ass with newspapers, even if they are owned by an Aussie, and paid for by big oil. Sorry, you will have to repeat History 101 next semester.

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» RE: eal War Posted by: Jefferson's Guardian
Who couldn't see this coming?
Posted by: PJAW on Nov 9, 2007 6:06 AM   
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Still, I think it's important that articles such as this one remain a part of the discussion. The apologists for this policy, from pundits to plebs, will latch onto this argument like a weasle on a chicken egg. It is therefore wise to "pre-emptively" talk of it for what it is, yet another cowardly ploy by Bush and his handlers to blame others for their failings. The only question is, will they get away with it?

One of the most compelling reasons for impeachment is that it will bring to the light of day much of the criminality of this administration and possibly prevent some of the participants from engaging in future mischief. These people need to be impeached, disempowered and driven completely out of "public service".

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The Blame Game is Nothing New!
Posted by: Gravitas on Nov 9, 2007 6:08 AM   
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The powers that be have ALWAYS used blame as a tool of manipulation. I would't be surprized if they found a way to tie it into the obesity "crisis." I am not being the least bit factitious!!!! Not only do they use it as a scapegoat for obscene health care profits, they have tried to tie it into global warming and the failing economy. As long as fat people themselves are programmed to run to diet companies, and the non fat are programmed to point fingers, it is highly effective. That is one of the reasons I speak out against it so much, it is part of a larger pattern of turning the blame on the manipulated to benefit the manipulator. If someone is poor it is their own fault, if a consumer was ripped off, buyer beware. Just as a victim of domestic violence is emotionally beaten down before physical abuse happens, the public has been conditioned to take yet another rap by its con men in charge.

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Shame
Posted by: maolson on Nov 9, 2007 6:12 AM   
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There is and never was any "winning" in Iraq. It has been
stupid and unnecessary from the beginning.

It should be seen as a failed robbery, a monument to stupid neocon fear, a kooky attempt to accelerate the rapture and, of course a military/industrial/congressional money making scam.

Shame

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» RE: Shame Posted by: Jefferson's Guardian
If we lose in Iraq.......
Posted by: custersbud on Nov 9, 2007 6:23 AM   
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we're to blame? Hopefully, somebody somewhere can come up with a definition of "if we win". How in hell will we know?

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» RE: If we lose in Iraq....... Posted by: Jefferson's Guardian
What's the problem?
Posted by: dover23 on Nov 9, 2007 6:37 AM   
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The Dems we put in Congress have it under control... just $50 billion more and then we're outa there. Great plan. Rock the vote.

Pelosi our leader

According to Ron Paul on CNN Thursday, they have enough money to withdraw all troops now... golly gee, maybe we should support this guy?

Big rally in Philly this Saturday. Be there or sit home and cry about Bush.

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» RE: What's the problem? Posted by: left_libertarian
This article is disingenuous - There is no attempt to create a back-stab myth
Posted by: PakiBoy on Nov 9, 2007 6:37 AM   
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Bush had the support of the majority of his fellow amerikans in the run up to the war. The following poll tells us much about the savage amerikan mentality:
"A poll conducted in April 2003 by the Washington Post and ABC News found that 72% of Americans supported the Iraq War, despite finding no evidence of chemical or biological weapons.
A poll made by CBS found that 60% of Americans said the Iraq War was worth the blood and cost even if no WMD are ever found."

Amerikans are now trying to act all innocents that they were "duped" into supporting teh war. Nobody was duped. Only a small minority was against the war, and the rest who are now opposed to war do so because it is obvious that US has lost yet another war.

Here are some more poll results:
"A USA Today/Gallup Poll indicated that 75% of Americans felt the U.S. did not make a mistake in sending troops to Iraq in March 2003. "

"A Gallup poll made on behalf of CNN and the newspaper USA Today concluded that 79% of Americans thought the Iraq War was justified, with or without conclusive evidence of illegal weapons. 19% thought weapons were needed to justify the war."

Bush didn't break Iraq. Majority of Amerikans did, and now they want to white-wash their war-crimes by acting all innocent and invoking the "lone gun-man" defense by blaming it all on Bush.

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» Good points PakiBoy Posted by: WhatNow?
Feigned surprise?
Posted by: Knowmad on Nov 9, 2007 6:39 AM   
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Desperate bullies always look for the weakest, most cowed scapegoat, so it's no surprise that they're going to lay the blame at your feet. After all, you've allowed them to do pretty much everything else they wanted, have you not?

And no, as I've said before, true progressive Americans can't hide behind the old, "Hey, it's not my fault, I didn't vote for them, even once." It is up to you, the supposed thinking aware, to prevent such debacles by bringing the truth to the misguided, duped, less thoughtful masses - certainly the second time at least - thereby resisting and perhaps preventing such base opportunism as the neocorp takeover you're now having to deal with.

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» RE: Feigned surprise? Posted by: dover23
» RE: Feigned surprise? Posted by: VZEQICVA
WHY IS POPPY BUSH DEFENDING HIS SON ?
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Nov 9, 2007 7:06 AM   
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If this is all our fault why is the old man selling yet another bill of goods defending his son? Bush ran out of excuses a long time ago. The fault for the Iraq war lies with him and a few very influential people who failed to stop this craziness when they could have. Powell is at the top of the list. Bush has the mentality of an out-of-control 8 yr. old brat. This was no secret. But, it was important to give in to him in hopes of cleaning up the mess. It didn't work. Thanks, ANNA

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WIN OR LOSE?
Posted by: shd1230 on Nov 9, 2007 7:58 AM   
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HOW WILL WE KNOW WHEN WE "WIN" OR "LOSE" THE "WAR?"
I was one of those that from the first day did not believe in this trumped up invasion of another country because of the "WMDS" they (did not) possess--as the UN instpectors were telling us even as the administration was lying to us--Oh, yes, Saddam had WMDs that could be deployed in 45 minutes--which would be curtains to the USA???

And Colin Powell, holding up his little vial of white powder (probably cornstarch or powdererd sugar) and his pictures of abandoned garbage trucks before the UN, looking like a man who had drawn his last honest breat--which he had. Guess what--I knew he was lying and I knew that he knew it.

Ah yes--I remember "shock and awe" and the newspeople wetting their pants over it. And tearing down Saddam's statue--yay, yay. And MISSION ACCOMPLISHED with cute little George in his flight suit. What a shame it had to come down to the same-old same-old BS that we heard for over ten years about Vietnam--and what was accomplished by that? Well, 50,000 plus Americans won't be here to draw Social Security, right?

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» RE: WIN OR LOSE? Posted by: aonghus36
» We've already lost Posted by: kellysgarden
Soon The War Will Be Defunded
Posted by: InsertNameHere on Nov 9, 2007 8:06 AM   
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Soon the war will be defunded, and not by the neo-cons or the do nothing Congress. But by foreign investors who hold the dollar in reserve.

Looking at the markets today, the Dow is down 171 points right now, the dollar is tanking and, if some of these mega banks were forced to admit how much worthless debt they are carrying right now, everyone would realize that they are in fact, insolvent.

The foreign countries that hold the dollar as reserve are shifting to other currencies. Their foreign investment is the only thing keeping America afloat right now. Bush has gifted you trillions in debt. A recession, or worse is coming, it just hasn't moved from the business headlines to the front pages yet. When it does, you'll know you're in trouble. Layoffs are coming. Disaster is coming. Credit has dried up. Everyone in debt up to their eyeballs.


Get out your pitchforks and torches and be ready to make a run on your bank because soon, the Iraq war will be the very least of your worries. I think you need an FDR and fast.

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5 stages of "A Project For The New American Century"
Posted by: johnnyfarout on Nov 9, 2007 8:07 AM   
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I'm reminded, after reading this article, of a poster on the wall of my corporate vice-president's office. It never fails to capture the true dimensions of many of the "fire drills" we have gone through over the years. I believe I see the same sense here (irony, duh), as the military and their civilian counterparts struggle to complete the: "5 Stages of a Project for A New American Century":
FIVE STAGES OF A PROJECT
1. Wild Enthusiasm
2. Hopeless Despair
3. Search for the Guilty
4. Blame of the Innocent
5. Praise and Honor for Non-Participants

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» so true Posted by: aka_bozo
Faux History
Posted by: JSquercia on Nov 9, 2007 8:47 AM   
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There is an article on Consortium.com revealing Bush's FAVORITE lie about Iraq which is That they defied the UN and REFUSED to let the UN Inspectors in . It is of course FACTUALLY UNTRUE but no one has EVER called him on it .
The UN Inspectors were given unrestricted access in I believe Nov of 2002 and were finding or should I say NOT finding evidence of WMD's . It was WE who told them to leave saying we could NOT guarantee their safety . Bush talks about Saddam Defying UN Resolution 1441 but IGNORES the fact that in SPITE of Colin Powell's bundle of lies speech the UN did NOT authorize the use of Force . This of course did NOT stop the Invasion .
What is truly disheartening is that the LIE has become the conventional TRUTH and now we have MItt Romney repeating it the campaign trail . According to Mitt The whole tragedy of the war could have been averted if Saddam had just let the AIEA and UN Weapons Inspectors in . I guess we should be thankful that Mitt apparantly believes that there WERE NO WMD's at least according to the article .

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But NOT the Democrats fault-hey Alternet?
Posted by: WitchyNy on Nov 9, 2007 9:08 AM   
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After all ---

Democrats did NOT vote to support the war in the first place -did they?
(aside from Boxer)

Democrats did NOT keep voting to re-fund the war-for billions and billions of dollars-did they?

And this Tuesday -Democrats did NOT try to take "impeachment off the table"-once again-did they?

"I shouted out-Who killed the Kennedys-when after all-it was you and me" -
Sympathy for the Devil

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Statesmanship?
Posted by: Col. Jackleg on Nov 9, 2007 9:22 AM   
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There was a time in this nation's history when the citizenry could look to our federal leadership and find men of integrity at every level of governance. Statesmanship was a term of respect and those that demonstrated it ennobled us as few others in the international community. We actually stood for something at home and abroad and we cast a long beacon that invited the downtrodden to seek our aid and friendship. Those days are gone and will not return. It began with Nixon and it has been exacerbated by Reagan, Clinton and the two Bush criminals. As we witness the campaigns underway, it is noteworthy that no individual shows promise of restoring dignity and honor to the nation. Those closest in quality, i.e. Richardson and Kucinich are given up as hopeless and the remainder on both sides inspire nothing. If there is a Senate or House race of note that is contested, I am not aware of it. If there is a court decision worthy of respect for being balanced and fair-minded, it has not appeared in too many years. The current ploy of hyping ineptitude, criminality and incompetence is simply more of the pathetic same and where will it end dear friends. It is in our hands, yours and mine, but together we are not. The nation is hopelessly cleaved between the corrupt and the corrupted and God is not the answer for the latter. Its over, we are morally and financially bankrupt and for that there is real blame to be cast upon us. Bush and his crowd will con the corrupted and escape accountability while Washington burns and the Chinese decide what to do with us. Selah!

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George Will has also (approvingly) mentioned this strategy
Posted by: mrcentrist on Nov 9, 2007 10:45 AM   
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It's not just "liberal" publications like The Washington Post and The Nation that have mentioned this stabbed-in-the-back strategy of the Republicans, who want to take the United States even further to the right by using it. A couple of months ago on ABC, pro-Bush right-wing pundit George Will talked about how the GOP can use a U.S. "loss" in Iraq to make the majority of Americans angry at the liberals, and take the country further to the right. Similarly, the declining U.S. dollar and the home mortgage meltdown will make Americans angry at liberals, blaming them for tanking the economy as a result of their liberal welfare programs (never mind that this is a huge Republican lie, it will work anyway.)

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Iraq is a Cash Cow for Corporate Fascism..!
Posted by: TJ-stars4peace on Nov 9, 2007 10:51 AM   
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Bush and the rest of The Corporate Fascists Worship The Cash Cow of Babylon which they created..!

This is where they practice their religion of boundless greed and unbridled fascist corporatism..money is their God Babylon is their holy city and shrine...

Of course Bush hates all who are American Patriots he and his family are Nazi Collaborators and tried to kill FDR and over throw America...

The acorn doesn't fall to far from the tree..!

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The difference between the Normandy invasion and the Iraq invasion:
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Nov 9, 2007 10:57 AM   
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In the case of France, the locals were really happy to see the U.S. forces come in and drive the Germans out. They were ecstatic, in fact. They had been under hostile occupation by a foreign power.

In the case of Iraq, the locals quickly realized that the goal wasn't liberation from the dictator Saddam, but rather seizure of the oil and resources of their country. Saddam's torture center at Abu Ghraib wasn't torn down; instead it was quickly converted into a U.S. torture center.

The stated justification that Bush and Cheney used as a pretext for invasion was Saddam's supposed chemical, biological and nuclear weapons stockpiles and programs. This was all fabricated, and numerous people who would know stated that it was all fabricated, and yet the corporate media and Congress mostly went along with the pre-invasion war propaganda.

Since we're talking about WWII, let's recall what the four crimes addressed in the Nuremberg trials were, focusing on count 1:

1. Planning an aggressive war.

(A) NAZI PARTY AS THE CENTRAL CORE OF THE COMMON PLAN OR CONSPIRACY.

(B) COMMON OBJECTIVES AND METHODS OF CONSPIRACY

(C) DOCTRINAL TECHNIQUES OF THE COMMON PLAN OR CONSPIRACY

(D) THE ACQUIRING OF TOTALITARIAN CONTROL OF GERMANY: POLITICAL

(E) THE ACQUIRING OF TOTALITARIAN CONTROL IN GERMANY: ECONOMIC; AND THE ECONOMIC PLANNING AND MOBILIZATION FOR AGGRESSIVE WAR

(F) UTILIZATION OF NAZI CONTROL FOR FOREIGN AGGRESSION

(G) WAR CRIMES AND CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY COMMITTED IN THE COURSE OF EXECUTING THE CONSPIRACY FOR WHICH THE CONSPIRATORS ARE RESPONSIBLE.

(H) INDIVIDUAL, GROUP AND ORGANIZATION RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE OFFENSE STATED IN COUNT ONE

Count 2: Carrying out the plan described in Count 1.

Count 3: War crimes:

(A) MURDER AND ILL-TREATMENT OF CIVILIAN POPULATIONS OF OR IN OCCUPIED TERRITORY AND ON THE HIGH SEAS

(B) DEPORTATION FOR SLAVE LABOR AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES OF THE CIVILIAN POPULATIONS OF AND IN OCCUPIED TERRITORIES


Count 4: Crimes against humanity.

Did the U.S. government wage an aggressive war against Iraq based on (a)deliberately falsified intelligence about WMDs and (b)false claims about Iraqi ties to the 9/11 hijackers? Probably, but Congress has refused to hold hearings into this issue. They themselves might be held liable, as many of their members voted to authorize the President's war of aggression.

Count 4 doesn't apply; count 3 does, to some extent, but counts 1 and 2 do indeed seem to apply.

Quote:
The International Military Tribunal at Nuremberg, which followed World War II, called the waging of aggressive war
"essentially an evil thing...to initiate a war of aggression...is not only an international crime; it is the supreme international crime differing only from other war crimes in that it contains within itself the accumulated evil of the whole."

Well. . . that's the historical perspective. See any similarities to present day events? How about Karl Rove's plan for a "permanent Republican majority?" How about the fraudulent stolen 2000 election? How about mistreatment and torture of the civilian population of Iraq by U.S. military contractors?

From a legal standpoint, things don't look too good for the Bush-Cheney junta.

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» WATER BOARD THEM Posted by: SJ
follow the money, find out who's really to blame
Posted by: gerdhansel on Nov 9, 2007 11:13 AM   
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Most if the real blame for the twin disasters of the first and second World Wars can be laid at the foot of the European military-industrial complex. If Germany, France, Russia and company didn’t have massive standing armies ready to roll at a moment’s notice in 1914, World War I might not have happened and this world would be a much difference place.

The real villains behind the greatest catastrophes of the 20th Century have names like Krupp, Messerschmidt and Daimler. Today’s cast of villains for the twin fiascos of Vietnam and Iraq go by names like Bell Helicopter, Raytheon, Lockheed and Halliburton.

They are the real puppet masters, and bit players like Hindenburg, Lyndon Johnson, Cheney and Bush are merely their good and faithful servants. But the American puppet show is far more lifelike and seamless than the German version.

I’ve read so many posts on this website from people who actually believe that Bush and Cheney will cancel the 2008 elections and stage a Presidential coup d’etat. But you’ll never see a palace coup for Bush and Cheney until their corporate masters give them the green light.

They won't, because the real rulers of this country prefer the illusion of democracy. We the people traipse down the Yellow Brick Road while the Wizard of Oz behind the curtain holds our puppet strings in an iron grip. Remember, even the Soviet Union held elections to placate the masses. American democracy today is bread and circuses at the ballot box.

Politicians who forget that get taken out (don't forget November 22, 1963). And bear in mind, mercenaries like Blackwater don’t work for the government. They are the guardians of the corporate elites.

So we'll get Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton, and some of the people will still be fooled all of the time by the illusion of democracy embodied in our two-party system.

Our corporate masters won’t care if the Republican party tanks for a generation, because they'll get what they want from the Democrats. Don't forget, Lyndon Johnson handed Vietnam to the military-industrial complex on a silver platter.

The corporations will never give up their dreams of an oil empire in the Middle East. American military forces may be redeployed to Kuwait and Kurdistan or to other less problematic locations nearby, but they'll still be guarding the oil supply when our grandchildren are old enough to don the battle dress uniform and hoist a rucksack.

Nothing short of revolution will change anything, not ever, and maybe not even then.

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» YES YES YES Posted by: SJ
Fascists
Posted by: dayenta on Nov 9, 2007 11:16 AM   
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I maintained back in 2000 that we were heading into a fascist state by electing these putzes. Most people thought I was more than a little goofy. Too bad I have so much to be smug about these days. I wish I had been proven wrong.

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» RE: Fascists Posted by: animalleaderisgreat
let's reinstate the draft!
Posted by: openeye on Nov 9, 2007 11:32 AM   
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Really folks, its about time we woke up to the fact that we, the human species, are highly programmable. We need to face the fact that our corporate-owned media (six giant corporations own it all) is part of an over all design to gain control - like some Batman world-domination plot! - of the entire planet. There is frighteningly little freedom of press or airwaves left - we are simply being fed what the big multi national corporations want us to think AND feel. Repeating a litany of fear and constantly reaffirming that we are now living in a "new post 911 world" - well, that has provided the psychic trauma necessary to diffuse any further rational thought that might creep into our minds - let alone our hearts! the entire population of this country is in desperate need of some serious deprogramming - not to mention some effective post traumatic stress therapy!
Well, get ready folks, because the next thing that is going to be landing on us will be a mandatory draft for everyone. I personally am hoping for this, because that’s about the only thing I can see shifting the stalemate. I think the draft would galvanize a lot of people into taking a stand, and if other countries see that so many of us do not want war, that what we really want is peace and to help others, (as do all human beings ! – that’s the real shocking truth no one wants us to get) I think it will start pulling us together for a real, ennobling (as war is not) cause. We are being programmed now, through fear, to actually WANT mandatory service, ala Israel! 2 years for women and 3 years for men. And of course by then we will have given up so much of our self-sufficiency that we will be totally dependent in one way or another. No wonder we are all feeling anxious – hey, pass me the antidepressants! We SHOULD all be feeling anxious. Because a very big change is about to occur. And how we think, how we feel and how we act are going to be pivotal to the survival of this planetary experience. It will make us, or it will break us.
so yeah, here it is: RESIST THE DRAFT. Our next transformation opportunity!

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» RE: let's reinstate the draft! Posted by: left_libertarian
What McCain does not seem to understand
Posted by: steven w on Nov 9, 2007 12:00 PM   
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The American people were against Nam a long damn time before there was any talk of LOSING!

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Just another delusion
Posted by: phindrup on Nov 9, 2007 1:43 PM   
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The world has been told unendingly of how the US won the second world war. There are even those who believe it!
But in the game of delusion you are not alone. Most countries will tell all who are willing to listen, that they have the 'best trained troops in the world'.
Recently here in Australia there was background news program that showed convincingly that Australia has committed to buy a fighter bomber that is a dog --- well, it is slower, carries less armaments, has less range, a lower ceiling, less acceleration and costs more than the machine that those who might one day be unfriendly have bought.
A friend reassured me: ‘yes Peter but our pilots are so much better trained’. !!??
Again, should you spend a little time in Australia you will learn an Australian was responsible for everything that has ever been discovered or invented. Where anything is new is announced from any overseas university the headlines here will be ‘Australian leads team that’ but if you should read it through you will find that there is an Australian janitor, or that perhaps an Australian once visited the said university.
The fact that both governments and the media are caught up in such delusionments is no reason, and no excuse for the rest of the population believe them. In fact it is incumbent upon populations to provide the reason and commonsense in measure enough to sink such nonsense. linked text

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DolchstoBlegende
Posted by: BrianOfNairobi on Nov 9, 2007 2:06 PM   
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President Bush may very well be thinking of passing the buck for that human tragedy in Iraq onto the already burdened backs of the American people, but, to be sure, I do believe that the political machinations of blame will be taking place behind his back and well outwith the lunatic/scapegoat's earshot.

Bush and co are but the front, the "acceptable" and "democratic" face, of those who are actually pulling the strings of power in the USA, those who remain unseen, shadowy and anonymous. It can and could be argued that the sinister veil of secrecy of the powers-that-be is becoming a tad more transparent as time goes by.

The lengthy article by James Petras touches on this and gives a good and thorough analysis of the suffocating influence of this "lobby" and its relentless desire for war not only with the Iraqis, but also with Iran. It is lengthy but it is well worth a read.

The tragedy in Iraq IS the desired outcome of war for these people. Chaos in Arab and Moslem nations is, for them, mission accomplished. The deaths of Arab citizens and young US soldiers does not in any way touch their "conscience". They don't want peace with the Arabs, be it in Iraq or Paleastine.

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sum ting wong here
Posted by: xtiml on Nov 9, 2007 2:30 PM   
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well dragging ww1 germany out of the pile is nice because america was betrayed disastrously from 1913 to entering the war aagainst germany. all by that lil pecker wood wilson and his puppeteers.warburg et al.So wh ydid we go with uncle joe? in ww2? people allways trot out hitler as a monster when stalin was our great ally. the disinformation on germany is rife and that is probally because of the zionist control of america's total control of media and fear of being branded anti semitic so the truth isd buried but it is still there.

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» "Disinformation on Germany is rife" Posted by: BrianOfNairobi
Myth Won't Work This Time
Posted by: gradioc on Nov 9, 2007 4:05 PM   
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The Bushbunch may try to run the old "stabbed in the back" canard out there, but it won't have any legs. It only works when the media refuse to report the bad news until the bottom falls out, leaving people with a "WTF?". The communist takeover of China is the best example from US history, as Time Magazine publisher Henry Luce (raised in China by missionary parents) dominated reporting from China and refused to print anything negative about Nationalist leader Chiang Kai-Chek (a Christian from a missionary school) until Mao and Chou had won. (I highly recommend Teddy White's memoir "In Search Of History" on this.) That led to "Who Lost China?", Army-McCarthy, the Blacklist, and some of the worst of American history. When the media do their job even half-ass the people are not caught off guard and the "enemy within" crap won't fly. Media coverage of this debacle has been pretty half-ass, but it was not deliberate deception. That's a neccesary ingredient.

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There are Bigger fish...
Posted by: Gisele on Nov 9, 2007 5:19 PM   
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to fry. The occupation of Iraq will be ended when the funders to all sides of it determine it will be. Not before.

Watch Endgame and get a real sense of where we're at - and why we're here.

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» RE: There are Bigger fish... Posted by: Jefferson's Guardian
Definitions of USA Success and Failure in Iraq
Posted by: sofla100 on Nov 9, 2007 5:55 PM   
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For the USA, the current definition of victory in Iraq:

The country governed by a pro-USA government, it would have to be one now with some type of strongman like the Shah or Pinochet to hold it together. One also willing to allow US bases to remain indefinitely in Iraq and from which a later invasion of Iran can be launched. Of course, such a government will be favorably predisposed towards US corporations, especially oil companies and charge nothing or very little in taxes. This government will also allow Israel to operate clandestine intelligence and military ops from her soil against neighboring Arab countries. This US supported strongman dictator will also be willing to accept World Bank and IMF support, from which he will glean a handsome profit in skimmed off funds. His CIA/Blackwater trained security services will be willing and able to "disappear" dissidents and troublemakers quickly and expeditiously while preserving good public relations with the US media.

For the USA, the current definition of failure in Iraq:

Election of a truly democratic government that, with a public referendum, decides to partition the country while maintaining a loosely federated state. The Kurds mainly run the North, and to the horror of the USA and Israel, Iranian influence is prominent in Eastern Iraq, including Baghdad while Saudi influence is present in the rest of the country. However, the worst of it for the USA is that this government decides to tax oil exports at a 30-40% level and has decided that the countries oil revenue should be used to enhance the lives of its citizens. Making matters worse is that this government wants US troops out, is not afraid of Iran, and will not contract out public services to US corporations, wanting instead for these services (electricity, water, etc.) to be operated not for profit but to benefit the people. This government also is concerned about the plight of the Palestinian people and willing to provide humanitarian aid, despite Israeli and US objections, to Palestinian families and children.

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It will come as a shock to younger readers
Posted by: UnEasyOne on Nov 9, 2007 6:06 PM   
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But for years after the Vietnam debacle, most everyone in the establishment actually was claiming that we won that war! It was very unpopular and controversial to say otherwise. Hard as this is to reconcile, there was plenty of "stab in the back" rhetoric as well.

It was well into the eighties before any reference to losing the war unconnected to references to Jane Fonda or DFH protesters was visible in the media.

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And So It Goes
Posted by: susanhathaway on Nov 9, 2007 7:34 PM   
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I found this in a book of quotations, attributed to "unknown":

"Any new venture goes through the following stages: enthusiasm, complication, disillusionment, search for the guilty, punishment of the innocent, and decoration of those who did nothing."

It's happened before; it will happen again. Why is it any surprise that such an image-conscious administration is already planning its appeal to the Court of Revisionist History? The real surprise is that an administration as delusional as Mad King George's can be so image-conscious.

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judeophobes rear their ugly heads.
Posted by: whealeydj on Nov 10, 2007 3:06 PM   
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but I wish to leave their illiterate bigoted remarks in for all to see and remember their names.

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28% always opposed 40% always for Iraq War
Posted by: whealeydj on Nov 10, 2007 3:24 PM   
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The gallup poll from 2003 was useful in that 28% always opposed this stupid war. The majority of Republicans still support the war and all their Presidential candidates but Paul still support the war. The Rambo backstabbing myth did remind me of Hitler. The article enlightened me about the start of the the backstabbing myth by the German High Command during WWI. When the Support our Troops (i.e. support the Pentagon and Bush Administration) trot out their arguments just call them the liers they have been all along are the bushies a)lieing arrogant ideologues or are they b) arogant ideological liers, please choose. Is Cheney a liar, a tyrant or crook or all the above.

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EverQuest II Plat
Posted by: haohao on Nov 10, 2007 6:34 PM   
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Yeehaww, Texas
Posted by: LANCE on Nov 11, 2007 7:26 AM   
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If Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, Sean Insannity, Bill O'Dildoe, et al would have joined the
military and put their asses on the line and proved to us that they really
believed in George Bush and Dick Cheney and EXXON we would be
out of Iraq and back home goose stepping in our new brown shirts down Bush
Blvd. in Yeehaw, Texas instead of watching America go ass under.

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BUSH IS RIGHT ABOUT IRAQ WAR.
Posted by: SALLY EVANS on Nov 11, 2007 3:11 PM   
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HE AND HIS CRONIES STOLE THE 2000 ELECTION, ATTACKED US ON 9/11 AND INVADED IRAQ AND WE ALLOWED HIM TO DO IT. MAYBE DEMS SHOULD SEND HIM MORE MONEY SO HE DOESN'T HAVE TO SLOW DOWN.

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Who Cares What This Pathological Liar Has To Say?
Posted by: doneman2000 on Nov 11, 2007 4:22 PM   
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Sorry but the WORST president in history can spin his mistakes all he wants. He must not buy into the adage "the buck stops here". Doesnt't matter as only the delusional can live in Bush World.

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» Buck stops at Posted by: SJ
2Moons Money
Posted by: enshia on Nov 11, 2007 11:52 PM   
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externalize it
Posted by: cndpeace on Nov 13, 2007 5:56 PM   
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There should be a movie called "externalize it!"

In this movie, bush and all those behind the war-for-oil program could be shown to have externalized the lives on people everywhere. Seeing how bush (I refuse to Capitalize the criminals name) has based his klepto-cracy on the corporate paradigm, it should be no surprise

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