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Gangster Giuliani: The GOP's Worst
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Giuliani, a former prosecutor, took office and immediately began treating New Yorkers, particularly black New Yorkers, like criminals. He specialized in pleasing white people by beating up black people. Under his leadership the police were unleashed and given the right to arrest for petty offenses and even to kill when they felt the urge to do so.
When Haitian immigrant Patrick Dorismond was killed by a police officer, Giuliani illegally released his juvenile justice records to police. Adding insult to injury, he smeared the dead man by stating that he was "no altar boy." The Dorismond case was one of the tipping points that made even some white New Yorkers long for the day that Giuliani would be their former mayor.
His public actions involving his private life also took the bloom off of the Rudy rose. In 2000 Giuliani informed his wife he was leaving her for another woman. He brought her that news via press conference. New York sophistication should not be confused with moral laissez faire. The tacky behavior was never forgotten.
On September 11, 2001 New Yorkers were giving collective thanks because term limits legislation insured that Rudy would soon be gone for good. Only a small number of dead enders were still in his thrall. But the terror attacks on the twin towers put him back in the spotlight. He was dubbed "America's mayor," and made a Knight of British Empire. He then made a bundle by forming Giuliani Partners and making up to $200,000 for a single speaking engagement, marketing himself as a terrorism expert because he managed to look calm for a few days.
Now Giuliani is running for the Republican presidential nomination and he is the very worst of a bad lot. He unabashedly supports the occupation of Iraq and a military attack on Iran. He doesn't think simulating drowning via water boarding is torture and agrees wholeheartedly with the Bush destruction of civil liberties.
If a potential Giuliani presidency in any way resembles a Giuliani mayoralty then the country would be in for a truly awful time. As mayor Giuliani promoted the worst, least competent people to high positions in New York City government. Bernard Kerik, an undercover cop, had the shrewdness to put himself in the right place at the right time when he volunteered to drive Rudy around during his mayoral campaign. Despite the lack of any other credential, his rise to power was swift. First he was made a Deputy Commissioner at the Department of Corrections, then Commissioner.
Kerik was nothing but a crook. Fully aware that Kerik was under investigation for taking money from a construction company with organized crime connections, Giuliani nonetheless appointed him Police Commissioner. While others insist that they informed Giuliani of Kerik's mob ties, Rudy claims not to remember. He certainly didn't remember when he recommended his pal for a cabinet level position as Secretary of Homeland Security. When Kerik imploded under an avalanche of bad publicity Rudy just shrugged his shoulders, confident that he would continue to get away with doing whatever he wants.
Giuliani has credibility with most Republican voters because of his warmongering and inclination to inflict physical pain on dark people. He is still in trouble with conservative Christians for his pro-choice position as mayor of New York City and for publicly treating his wife and children like dirt. He plans to make up for that by being more overtly racist.
He will remind white Republicans of the good old days when he cut the welfare roles. He did so by breaking the law and denying benefits to eligible people, but no matter. He knows his audience. When they hear the word welfare they will salivate like Pavlovian dogs and decide that Rudy is their man.
There is every reason to believe that Giuliani will act out his every sick fantasy if he were to occupy the oval office. There is no reason to believe that Democrats would finally behave like an opposition. A Giuliani presidency is a nightmarish scenario. We will all be Patrick Dorismond, assumed to be guilty of something and therefore worthy of punishment. It is hard to imagine a worse president than George W. Bush, but Rudolph Giuliani fits that description perfectly.
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Posted by: UnEasyOne on Nov 8, 2007 3:12 AM
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It doesn't mention his assaults on the First Amendment (including the museum he tried to shut down and the case he fought - and lost - all the way to the Supreme Court over his arbitrary removal of advertisements that offended him personally.) It also doesn't mention his attempt to postpone elections so he could stay in office or his attempt to overstay his term after a new mayor had been elected!
Over a year ago, A, an internet friend who lives in NYC was warning me about Guiliani. I didn't take it too seriously because I was much more worried about McCain at the time. Looks like she was right and I was wrong. Now he is polling at the top of the Republican heap, within 1 percentage point of the Democratic front runner in a heads up comparison - and McCain has dropped like a rock.
Now he has shored up his biggest weakness by picking up the Pat Robertson endorsement and that hasn't even been reflected in the polls as yet.
Imagine W's smarter, meaner older brother - with less ethics and a bigger lust for absolute power. That's Rudy.
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» Kerik claimed that a passerby by found the passport. He just made the announcement to the media.
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Posted by: surfreality on Nov 8, 2007 4:38 AM
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Excuse me, but the scene I run with, downtown, EV, LES Art Stars ( mostly white ) was ALWAYS militantly anti Rudy from the get go.
We started the DLF (Dance Liberation Front ) in response to Rudy's re-enforcement of the old cabaret laws. He was closing bars and restaurants for the "crime" of allowing their patrons to dance. We teamed up with Norman Siegel and the NCLU.
The NYCLU took Rudy to court 21 times over 1st amendment issues, Score:NYCLU 21- Rudy 2. Unfortunately we lost the cabaret law case. But at least we got to do the Hokey Pokey around City Hall.
Another mostly white group that took on Rudy is Critical Mass.
Then there's the Surveillance Camera Players...
And Oh yeah, every EV and LES Democratic organization were to my memory from the get go anti Rudy. These organizations are coalitions of blacks, Hispanics, Asians and whites. We all fought that SOB from day 1.
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Posted by: dustdevil on Nov 8, 2007 6:25 AM
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taking evidence that could be used for investigation.
Rudy is more than a gangster. He is an accomplice to mass murder.
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Posted by: michaeltwatson on Nov 8, 2007 6:25 AM
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Wayne Barrett, a reporter for New York's Village Voice and author of Grand Illusion: The Untold Story of Rudy Giuliani and 9/11, has now obtained leaked memos describing Giuliani's testimony before the 9/11 Commission which directly contradict that claim. Barrett told Shuster that taken as a whole, Giuliani's testimony "was a confession of ignorance. He basically said, 'I knew nothing about al Qaeda.'" For example, Giuliani acknowledged that even though he had received information on threats between 1998 and 2001, "At the time I had no idea it was al Qaeda." He further told the commission that after 9/11, "we brought in people to brief us on al Qaeda. ... We had nothing like this pre 9/11, which was a mistake."
This should be enough proof that Rudy will say anything to try to support a claim that he is some sort of prescient, articulate, intelligent protector of our security. After all, he is the one who made the decision to put the NYC communication center at the World Trade Center, against the recommendations of his own fire and police chiefs. So, the only "communication" center was his own wandering soul in downtown NYC, looking like the person in control, when there was no control by virtue of his own incompetent decisions. Quite an irony.
Michael Townes Watson, author of America's Tunnel Vision--How Insurance Companies' Propaganda Is Corrupting Medicine and Law.
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Posted by: ld7440 on Nov 8, 2007 6:36 AM
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And 9/11? I was there when it happened, trapped with many others at the NY Stock Exchange Trading floor. I don't remember seeing him there. To take a horrible moment and use it for his own aggrandizement is the height of arrogance. He's a pathetic excuse for a human being. Voters really need to wake up.
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Posted by: rocketman on Nov 8, 2007 7:08 AM
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So why would Margaret hate Giuliani for cleaning up NY?
Because the problem with Margaret Kimberley is representative with the problems NY had.. it’s black vs white..she sees everything in color – not common sense. To her cleaning up crime means targeting blacks... so is she saying black criminals should be left to sell drugs to kids and shot each other and terrorize neighborhoods and just white criminals should be jailed? I'm sure she'd say no but her argument sure seems like that!
This may be news to her but blacks aren’t too happy with crime in their neighborhood either – they are not too happy with their kids getting caught in the middle of gang wars and being shot on the streets while playing .
So Giuliani cracks down on crime..cleans up NY for EVERYONE and a few black leaders complain (Sharpton – what a joke) how blacks are being targeted..well, it’s not that blacks were targeted, the neighborhoods where the crime was being committed was being targeted.. Also ask anyone who worked in the fish market. They hate Giuliani – why? Because he cleaned up organized crime there!
So lets be realistic, you want to get rid of the MS13 gang..you are probably looking for minorities, not the guy in a 3 piece suit. You want to clean up white collar crime, you don’t go into poor neighborhoods.
As for being a republican, Giuliani never got the backing of the conservative party in NY – was ran as a republican with liberal backing. He is actually the strongest republican to beat Hillary – but the religious right nuts will have nothing to do with him.. too liberal. Which is why I like him. I suspect he isn’t too far of Hillary’s political track.
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Posted by: Nick on Nov 8, 2007 9:42 AM
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Look at old movies with Mussolini
and look at Giuliani, same style,
same manners, same ideas
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Posted by: Deep on Nov 8, 2007 10:38 AM
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Hunter S. Thompson said that about Nixon in Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail '72. The same can be said about a Giuliani victory, except that America will be a land of 250 million used carsalesmen.
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Posted by: hurricane hugo on Nov 8, 2007 10:54 AM
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Then again, that'll be every day in America if he's elected. Still, I just can't see him surviving the Repub primaries.
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Posted by: counterpoint on Nov 8, 2007 12:39 PM
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Move On on Giuliani
Robert Greenwald has turned the heat up (I've heard his anti-G 'public service announcement played on Boston's WMFO college station), it's been discussed here on alternet
Greenwald on alternet
This is quite potent stuff, and it's only the beginning of a large pile of dung, so it might affect potential voters. Remember, the way US elections are decided (provided it's not through fraud or courts) is by deterring your opponent's voters to come to the poll on that fucking Tuesday.
I say fucking Tuesday because the fucking voting system in the US, and only in the fucking US, does not make voting day a holiday - the purpose being to keep the overworked plebeians from voting.
Look abroad for one minute at any of the newly formed democracies after WW2: no one adopted the US voting system because it's a cancerous piece of shit with its thousands of different voting procedures, county by county. Utterly undemocratic.
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Posted by: madaha on Nov 8, 2007 12:55 PM
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WHEN ARE WE GOING TO STOP BUYING INTO THE RHETORIC OF THESE EVIL BASTARDS????
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Posted by: Ellen Remore on Nov 8, 2007 1:01 PM
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My advice: Keep your passport current.
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Posted by: tgabriel on Nov 8, 2007 2:51 PM
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I am convinced that no matter who the repuke candidate is, he will be the next preznit because I really don't think you who would like it to be otherwise will actually do the necessary work to see to a sea change in American destiny.
The repukes know how short the average citizen's memory is and once the average citizen figures out that shrub is not running for office in '08, these average folks will flock to the repuke candidate. No matter who he is. The American Taliban is not going to figure into the mix, it will just be the Centrists and Independents who will keep the White House in the repuke party.
Prove me wrong, Left and Center. Prove me wrong.
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Posted by: Annapurna1 on Nov 8, 2007 3:05 PM
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make no mistake about it ..if giuliani wins the GOP nomination..then he automatically wins the POTUS..and the country will be RUINED...
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Posted by: Sparks56 on Nov 8, 2007 5:16 PM
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Where the hell is Rove?!!!
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Posted by: chief of okeefe on Nov 8, 2007 6:42 PM
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The only choice for blue states is to secede from the Union if a repub is elected. If we can bust up this aggressor country, then it will no longer be able to make aggressive war on planet earth.
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Posted by: GPFrank on Nov 8, 2007 7:34 PM
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Guliani is an out-an-out thug, he even beats up Americans. Getting back to the syllogism, therefore we have to be satisfied with the candidate who can beat Guliani.
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Kerik was not a "mistake," as Rudy charcterizes it, but a long-term, chronic case of bad judgment and poor choce of associates and business partners. How many other such people are there in Rudy's life?
Rudy is clearly a bad family man, an aging satyr and golddigger currently married to a golddigger (can you imagine the shame of her as first lady?), with a tendency to associate in the long term with other golddiggers. Here is a man who at best is Bush-lite in foreign policy (Bush-lite is like lite lite, an empty pack), without an ounce of gravitas required of a president (compared to Rudy, Bush is a model president), a guido-like bumpkin and sleaze bag.
Unbelievable!
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Posted by: niliadis on Nov 11, 2007 7:19 PM
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1."Grand Illusions" Authors Wayne Barret and Dan Colling
2. .DENNIS BYRNE-Our First Muslim President? (Article in Expose Obama)
3. AMANDA B. CARPENTER- Barack Obama's Whitewater? (Article in Expose Obama)
4. Antoin “Tony” Rezko, Obama's Real Estate Buddy-scandall Obama does not want you to know
5. Bernard Kerik Giuliani's buddy Maybe he can give us some pointer on what he did for our Homeland Security......This would be interesting!
The Above guests wiould be a smash!!!! Some of these people Hannity would not like to have on his program and some of these CNN would not like to have... Its time more of our candidate be exposed!!
Maybe you can have the guests pertaining to Obama one day and the ones pertaining to
Good old Rudy another day. This would be incredible.
Bill I am counting on you, The Dog is old news, WE all know the man is not a racist and
its old news.
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In an effort to cover for the killer cop Ghouliani illegally released Dorismond juvenile arrest record, which had been sealed years earlier by the courts. Then Ghouliana announced that Dorismond "Was no altar boy." In fact, Dorismond had literally been an altar boy.
Ghouliani: a scumbag of the first order - The perfect leader for the Republicans and America's right-wing.
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Posted by: UnEasyOne on Nov 8, 2007 3:12 AM
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It doesn't mention his assaults on the First Amendment (including the museum he tried to shut down and the case he fought - and lost - all the way to the Supreme Court over his arbitrary removal of advertisements that offended him personally.) It also doesn't mention his attempt to postpone elections so he could stay in office or his attempt to overstay his term after a new mayor had been elected!
Over a year ago, A, an internet friend who lives in NYC was warning me about Guiliani. I didn't take it too seriously because I was much more worried about McCain at the time. Looks like she was right and I was wrong. Now he is polling at the top of the Republican heap, within 1 percentage point of the Democratic front runner in a heads up comparison - and McCain has dropped like a rock.
Now he has shored up his biggest weakness by picking up the Pat Robertson endorsement and that hasn't even been reflected in the polls as yet.
Imagine W's smarter, meaner older brother - with less ethics and a bigger lust for absolute power. That's Rudy.
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Posted by: RODNOX on Nov 8, 2007 3:29 AM
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Posted by: surfreality on Nov 8, 2007 4:38 AM
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Excuse me, but the scene I run with, downtown, EV, LES Art Stars ( mostly white ) was ALWAYS militantly anti Rudy from the get go.
We started the DLF (Dance Liberation Front ) in response to Rudy's re-enforcement of the old cabaret laws. He was closing bars and restaurants for the "crime" of allowing their patrons to dance. We teamed up with Norman Siegel and the NCLU.
The NYCLU took Rudy to court 21 times over 1st amendment issues, Score:NYCLU 21- Rudy 2. Unfortunately we lost the cabaret law case. But at least we got to do the Hokey Pokey around City Hall.
Another mostly white group that took on Rudy is Critical Mass.
Then there's the Surveillance Camera Players...
And Oh yeah, every EV and LES Democratic organization were to my memory from the get go anti Rudy. These organizations are coalitions of blacks, Hispanics, Asians and whites. We all fought that SOB from day 1.
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taking evidence that could be used for investigation.
Rudy is more than a gangster. He is an accomplice to mass murder.
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Posted by: michaeltwatson on Nov 8, 2007 6:25 AM
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Wayne Barrett, a reporter for New York's Village Voice and author of Grand Illusion: The Untold Story of Rudy Giuliani and 9/11, has now obtained leaked memos describing Giuliani's testimony before the 9/11 Commission which directly contradict that claim. Barrett told Shuster that taken as a whole, Giuliani's testimony "was a confession of ignorance. He basically said, 'I knew nothing about al Qaeda.'" For example, Giuliani acknowledged that even though he had received information on threats between 1998 and 2001, "At the time I had no idea it was al Qaeda." He further told the commission that after 9/11, "we brought in people to brief us on al Qaeda. ... We had nothing like this pre 9/11, which was a mistake."
This should be enough proof that Rudy will say anything to try to support a claim that he is some sort of prescient, articulate, intelligent protector of our security. After all, he is the one who made the decision to put the NYC communication center at the World Trade Center, against the recommendations of his own fire and police chiefs. So, the only "communication" center was his own wandering soul in downtown NYC, looking like the person in control, when there was no control by virtue of his own incompetent decisions. Quite an irony.
Michael Townes Watson, author of America's Tunnel Vision--How Insurance Companies' Propaganda Is Corrupting Medicine and Law.
www.StopMedicalError.com
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Posted by: ld7440 on Nov 8, 2007 6:36 AM
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And 9/11? I was there when it happened, trapped with many others at the NY Stock Exchange Trading floor. I don't remember seeing him there. To take a horrible moment and use it for his own aggrandizement is the height of arrogance. He's a pathetic excuse for a human being. Voters really need to wake up.
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Posted by: tommy1957 on Nov 8, 2007 6:37 AM
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Posted by: mindportal1 on Nov 8, 2007 6:41 AM
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Posted by: snowhound on Nov 8, 2007 6:58 AM
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Posted by: rocketman on Nov 8, 2007 7:08 AM
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So why would Margaret hate Giuliani for cleaning up NY?
Because the problem with Margaret Kimberley is representative with the problems NY had.. it’s black vs white..she sees everything in color – not common sense. To her cleaning up crime means targeting blacks... so is she saying black criminals should be left to sell drugs to kids and shot each other and terrorize neighborhoods and just white criminals should be jailed? I'm sure she'd say no but her argument sure seems like that!
This may be news to her but blacks aren’t too happy with crime in their neighborhood either – they are not too happy with their kids getting caught in the middle of gang wars and being shot on the streets while playing .
So Giuliani cracks down on crime..cleans up NY for EVERYONE and a few black leaders complain (Sharpton – what a joke) how blacks are being targeted..well, it’s not that blacks were targeted, the neighborhoods where the crime was being committed was being targeted.. Also ask anyone who worked in the fish market. They hate Giuliani – why? Because he cleaned up organized crime there!
So lets be realistic, you want to get rid of the MS13 gang..you are probably looking for minorities, not the guy in a 3 piece suit. You want to clean up white collar crime, you don’t go into poor neighborhoods.
As for being a republican, Giuliani never got the backing of the conservative party in NY – was ran as a republican with liberal backing. He is actually the strongest republican to beat Hillary – but the religious right nuts will have nothing to do with him.. too liberal. Which is why I like him. I suspect he isn’t too far of Hillary’s political track.
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Posted by: z on Nov 8, 2007 7:25 AM
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Posted by: frank69 on Nov 8, 2007 8:50 AM
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Posted by: perplexed on Nov 8, 2007 9:21 AM
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Posted by: Nick on Nov 8, 2007 9:42 AM
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Look at old movies with Mussolini
and look at Giuliani, same style,
same manners, same ideas
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Posted by: Deep on Nov 8, 2007 10:38 AM
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Hunter S. Thompson said that about Nixon in Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail '72. The same can be said about a Giuliani victory, except that America will be a land of 250 million used carsalesmen.
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Posted by: hurricane hugo on Nov 8, 2007 10:54 AM
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Then again, that'll be every day in America if he's elected. Still, I just can't see him surviving the Repub primaries.
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Posted by: counterpoint on Nov 8, 2007 12:39 PM
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Move On on Giuliani
Robert Greenwald has turned the heat up (I've heard his anti-G 'public service announcement played on Boston's WMFO college station), it's been discussed here on alternet
Greenwald on alternet
This is quite potent stuff, and it's only the beginning of a large pile of dung, so it might affect potential voters. Remember, the way US elections are decided (provided it's not through fraud or courts) is by deterring your opponent's voters to come to the poll on that fucking Tuesday.
I say fucking Tuesday because the fucking voting system in the US, and only in the fucking US, does not make voting day a holiday - the purpose being to keep the overworked plebeians from voting.
Look abroad for one minute at any of the newly formed democracies after WW2: no one adopted the US voting system because it's a cancerous piece of shit with its thousands of different voting procedures, county by county. Utterly undemocratic.
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Posted by: madaha on Nov 8, 2007 12:55 PM
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WHEN ARE WE GOING TO STOP BUYING INTO THE RHETORIC OF THESE EVIL BASTARDS????
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Posted by: Ellen Remore on Nov 8, 2007 1:01 PM
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My advice: Keep your passport current.
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Posted by: tgabriel on Nov 8, 2007 2:51 PM
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I am convinced that no matter who the repuke candidate is, he will be the next preznit because I really don't think you who would like it to be otherwise will actually do the necessary work to see to a sea change in American destiny.
The repukes know how short the average citizen's memory is and once the average citizen figures out that shrub is not running for office in '08, these average folks will flock to the repuke candidate. No matter who he is. The American Taliban is not going to figure into the mix, it will just be the Centrists and Independents who will keep the White House in the repuke party.
Prove me wrong, Left and Center. Prove me wrong.
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Posted by: Annapurna1 on Nov 8, 2007 3:05 PM
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make no mistake about it ..if giuliani wins the GOP nomination..then he automatically wins the POTUS..and the country will be RUINED...
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Posted by: sofla100 on Nov 8, 2007 3:15 PM
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Posted by: Sparks56 on Nov 8, 2007 5:16 PM
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Where the hell is Rove?!!!
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Posted by: chief of okeefe on Nov 8, 2007 6:42 PM
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The only choice for blue states is to secede from the Union if a repub is elected. If we can bust up this aggressor country, then it will no longer be able to make aggressive war on planet earth.
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Posted by: GPFrank on Nov 8, 2007 7:34 PM
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Guliani is an out-an-out thug, he even beats up Americans. Getting back to the syllogism, therefore we have to be satisfied with the candidate who can beat Guliani.
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Posted by: Bigpun on Nov 9, 2007 10:48 AM
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Posted by: dayahka on Nov 11, 2007 11:37 AM
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Kerik was not a "mistake," as Rudy charcterizes it, but a long-term, chronic case of bad judgment and poor choce of associates and business partners. How many other such people are there in Rudy's life?
Rudy is clearly a bad family man, an aging satyr and golddigger currently married to a golddigger (can you imagine the shame of her as first lady?), with a tendency to associate in the long term with other golddiggers. Here is a man who at best is Bush-lite in foreign policy (Bush-lite is like lite lite, an empty pack), without an ounce of gravitas required of a president (compared to Rudy, Bush is a model president), a guido-like bumpkin and sleaze bag.
Unbelievable!
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Posted by: niliadis on Nov 11, 2007 7:19 PM
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1."Grand Illusions" Authors Wayne Barret and Dan Colling
2. .DENNIS BYRNE-Our First Muslim President? (Article in Expose Obama)
3. AMANDA B. CARPENTER- Barack Obama's Whitewater? (Article in Expose Obama)
4. Antoin “Tony” Rezko, Obama's Real Estate Buddy-scandall Obama does not want you to know
5. Bernard Kerik Giuliani's buddy Maybe he can give us some pointer on what he did for our Homeland Security......This would be interesting!
The Above guests wiould be a smash!!!! Some of these people Hannity would not like to have on his program and some of these CNN would not like to have... Its time more of our candidate be exposed!!
Maybe you can have the guests pertaining to Obama one day and the ones pertaining to
Good old Rudy another day. This would be incredible.
Bill I am counting on you, The Dog is old news, WE all know the man is not a racist and
its old news.
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Posted by: Nuuon on Nov 12, 2007 9:38 AM
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In an effort to cover for the killer cop Ghouliani illegally released Dorismond juvenile arrest record, which had been sealed years earlier by the courts. Then Ghouliana announced that Dorismond "Was no altar boy." In fact, Dorismond had literally been an altar boy.
Ghouliani: a scumbag of the first order - The perfect leader for the Republicans and America's right-wing.
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