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Whatever Happened to the Good Life?

By Astra Taylor, Adbusters. Posted November 2, 2007.


Americans keep making less and spending more. That lifestyle is contributing to supersized debt and the decline of progressive politics.
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Since we're accustomed to thinking of young people and students as the shock troops of social change, explaining youthful inertia has become a national preoccupation (sadly, we expect impassivity from the middle aged). Many point to the absence of a draft as a motivating factor. Others cite the lack of contemporary examples of successful collective action to inspire faith in the efficacy of protest. But more often than not, the problem is conceived as cultural. The emerging generation, of which I am part, is post-Watergate, post-Monica Lewinsky, and weaned on irony and satire. We expect the government to deceive us and are hardly surprised, let alone outraged, when these expectations are met. Others argue that young people aren't particularly self-absorbed or apathetic; they're overworked and indebted. Today's twenty- and thirty-somethings are so busy struggling to make ends meet, they simply don't have time to take to the streets.

The latter theory has gained traction with the recent publication of three thoughtfully argued books: Tamara Straut's Strapped, Anya Kamenetz's Generation Debt, and Daniel Brook's The Trap (subtitled Selling Out to Stay Afloat in Winner-Take-All America). Compared to our parents at the same age, these authors contend, we're working longer hours for less money, reduced job security, slashed benefits and fewer social services. Over the last four decades, opportunities for social mobility have declined dramatically, with wealth concentrating to a degree not seen since the Gilded Age.

In other words, it's getting harder and harder to stay -- let alone join -- America's crumbling middle class. Today's minimum wage is worth 30 percent less than it was in 1968. According to Draut, "if wages had kept pace with rising productivity between 1968 and 2000, the average hourly wage would have been $24.56 in 2000, rather than $13.74." Instead -- and particularly in fields with a social service component -- salaries have failed to keep pace with inflation and benefits, like health insurance or retirement funds, are elusive rarities. Meanwhile the cost of living has skyrocketed. Between 1995 and 2002, median rents in urban centers like San Francisco, Boston, and New York surged by sixty or seventy percent. The price tag on a simple studio in these cities is well over a thousand dollars a month. Finally, a college degree, often regarded as the key to a middle class lifestyle, costs more than ever before. In the 1960s and 1970s, when many quality public universities were free, Pell Grants covered nearly three-quarters of college tuition; today, the percentage has fallen to one-third. At the same time, tuition has outpaced inflation three times over since 1980. As a result, the average student leaves a four-year college with over $20,000 in educational debt; a graduate degree means $45,000.

As a member of "generation debt," I know these frustrations firsthand. It's hard to feel footloose when your owe $40,000 in student loans and haven't even started chipping away at the interest. I've had to move back in with Mom and Dad when housing costs were too much to cover. I haven't had health insurance in eight years and saving for retirement isn't even on the horizon. But are things that bad? Am I really so oppressed? Unlike twenty percent of the world's population, my basic necessities are covered. I've got food, clothing, shelter, and then some. I'm typing this on a G4 titanium laptop. I have a cellphone. I've traveled the world.

The fact is, even though young people today are making less, we're spending more. Between 1979 and 1990, the spending of the average person working for minimum wage increased by 30 percent. Generation Y has an inordinate amount of buying power in the United States: $175.1 billion dollars per year, much of which is wielded during the twenty plus hours a week they're online. And supposedly we have no time for activism? It makes sense that in a society where young people carry supersized debt, they expect a supersized lifestyle. Though generally inhabited by fewer people, the typical new American home is 40 percent larger than it was 25 years ago. The same period has seen the quadrupling of retail space per capita, which says something profound about rates of consumption. Jumbo SUVs, loaded with luxury options, make up half of all private vehicles on the road. Pleasure and vacation travel have become standard. Air conditioning in dorm rooms, a smorgasbord of dining options, extravagant fitness centers to work off those extra calories -- all amenities unimaginable back when college was cheap.

Since the mid-seventies, when experts starting keeping track, Americans' definition of the "good life" has become increasingly materialistic. Over the years, the good life has become more likely to include a home, a vacation home, a car, a second car, a color TV, a second color TV, travel abroad, designer clothes, a pool, a job that pays more than average, lots of money, and so on. Immaterial responses -- a happy marriage, children, interesting work, and a job that contributes to the welfare of society -- have either flat-lined or become less popular over the years.

And it's not that people simply want more; they claim to need more. A recent survey conducted by the Pew Research Center reveals that the list of things "we can't live without" has grown steadily since 1973. Many things Americans currently consider necessities didn't even exist a generation ago. Cell phones weren't on the survey in 1996, but are now considered essential by 57 percent of respondents between the ages of 18 and 29 (8 percent of the same group considers their iPod to be a necessity, not a luxury). In only ten years, the percentage of adults who consider a microwave oven a necessity has more than doubled, to 68 percent. Home air conditioning has climbed from 51 percent to 70 percent in necessity status, and the position of clothes dryers ascended twenty points as well. It's also worth noting that, according to Pew, "the more income a person has, the more likely he or she is to view goods and gadgets as necessities rather than luxuries." The richer you are, in other words, the more you need.

As economist Juliet Schor has explained, consumer satisfaction and dissatisfaction "depend less on what a person has in an absolute sense than on socially formed aspirations and expectations." That is to say, even the objectively upper-class can believe themselves beleaguered because they're ogling opulent plutocrats. Take a recent article in the New York Times pitying "millionaires who don't feel rich" in Silicon Valley. "Everyone around here looks at the people above them," complains a tycoon of substantial means. "You're nobody here at $10 million." Today's citizens aren't "keeping up with the Joneses," they're keeping up with the ultra-affluent, an unrelentingly upwardly mobile target that shapes the hopes and dreams of everyone below them.

Thus it's no surprise that young people's expectations have expanded over the years. In 1967, 45 percent of college freshman reported that being well-off financially was important; by 2004 the number ballooned to 74 percent. Critics take this as conclusive proof of Generation Y's insatiable materialism, while more sympathetic observers point out that such an attitude is simply a practical response to ever-rising costs of living. Young people aren't greedier than their predecessors, argue Draut, Kamenetz, and Brook, they simply need more money to make ends meet; which is why they have to work so much; which is why they have no time to spare; which at least partly accounts for the paltry state of progressive politics in the US.

The problem is, social movements have long been made by people far worse off than our indebted generation, a fact driven home on a recent trip to Tijuana, Mexico. I met a group of women, many in their mid-twenties and most with children, employed by the foreign-owned factories along the border. They work sixty hours a week assembling televisions and other widgets for American consumers, often for as little as six dollars a day. They live in little shacks made of scrap wood, recycled pallets, and old tires. Their homes lack running water. These women have no money and no free time, yet they have organized themselves into a collective and are effectively advocating for environmental justice in their community. Returning to the US from Tijuana, it was as though I could suddenly see clearly: our "necessities" appeared to me as what they really are -- luxuries. I have no doubt there is an element of social control built into the massive educational debt imposed on young Americans today. But I also believe social change requires sacrifice -- and imagination. We need to reevaluate the supposed "necessity" of higher education (especially people interested in the humanities, the arts, and in social change, who may find the fortune they spend on tuition could be more fruitfully invested elsewhere), envision new standards of "success," redefine the "good life," and figure out creative ways to share costs by reinvigorating old ideas (housing, food, and vehicle co-ops come to mind). Above all, we need to remember that our single biggest luxury, our salient self-indulgence, is acquiescence, and that it comes at too high a price.

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Astra Taylor is a writer and documentary filmmaker. Her first book, "Shadow Of the Sixties," is forthcoming from the New Press in 2007.

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Those Were The Days, My Friend
Posted by: Tom Degan on Nov 2, 2007 1:36 AM   
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The good life is dead.

The lovely world of a stable, thriving middle class is as dead as a door nail. Get used to the idea.

And it is gone forever.

Forever.

The begining of the end of the American dream came twenty-seven years ago when the electorate foolishly - STUPIDLY - sent a feeble-minded, failed "B" movie actor named Ronald Reagan to the White House.

On Election Day 2000, when the stupid fucking American people sent a corrupt, hideous, half-witted little frat boy by the name of George W. Bush to the Oval Office we effectively pointed the proverbial loaded pistol at our own collective head. Four years later, on Election Day 2004 - make no mistake about it - we pulled the trigger.

It's over....

It's fucking over.

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
"The Rant" by Tom Degan

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» You've got me pinned, Kaptn'! Posted by: Tom Degan
» pfft! Posted by: KaptainSpiffy
» In the Front of My Mind Posted by: Sparks56
» RE: Those Were The Days, My Friend Posted by: Overburdened Planet
» RE: Those Were The Days, My Friend Posted by: Overburdened Planet
» RE: Those Were The Days, My Friend Posted by: Overburdened Planet
» *puts right foot in* Posted by: KaptainSpiffy
» Attack and Marginalize.... Posted by: CatDad
» RE: Attack and Marginalize.... Posted by: MeridaLady
» RE: Those Were The Days, My Friend Posted by: Iconoclast421
» RE: Let me guess... Posted by: Jasonix
» These ARE The Days Posted by: Iconoclast421
» you couldn't be more wrong Posted by: KaptainSpiffy
» wait until you are hospitalized Posted by: KaptainSpiffy
» RE: Those Were The Days, My Friend Posted by: CommonDreamer
Oh yes!
Posted by: TT22 on Nov 2, 2007 3:01 AM   
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The GOOD OLD DAYS!

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» Huh? Posted by: maddy
» yawn... Posted by: Coleman
too busy buying a 'lifestyle'
Posted by: KaptainSpiffy on Nov 2, 2007 3:48 AM   
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to realize we've been caged and plucked.

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we're born free, educated poorly (trained for jobs, not taught to think) and become self-indulgent
Posted by: Suzon on Nov 2, 2007 3:54 AM   
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Jumbo SUVs, loaded with luxury options, make up half of all private vehicles on the road. Pleasure and vacation travel have become standard. Air conditioning in dorm rooms, a smorgasbord of dining options, extravagant fitness centers to work off those extra calories -- all amenities unimaginable back when college was cheap.

That doesn't translate into happiness. What it does translate into is corporate profits! The same corporations which exercise power over the media and the sell-out Congress.

The Americans who make enough money to have disposable income, feed it right back into the corporations that make such a mess of the society, the environment and the world we live in.

Connect your own retail therapy with your unhappiness with--and fear of--your corporate-led government!

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one thing lacking in the article...
Posted by: Farmertim on Nov 2, 2007 4:22 AM   
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was the fact of us who want to secure the good life based on early 60 ideals of food shelter warmth, have to compete with the indulgences of the many who drive up the price which make it near impossible to compete to purchase the necessities.
In my experience as a organic farmer my necessities are nominal and traditional. Land and supplies to grow food. I have to pay extremely inflated land prices, land rent, fuel and other inputs in order to service other like minded people who are in the same position and facing the same pressures of a high cost of living which turn my product into a luxury even though most consider them an essential.
This I realize will not continue for when push comes to shove, luxuries will go out the window in times of choice and the cheapest food will win out and that is not me.
Health insurance has now become a necessity from an instilled fear, but my food price pails in comparison to monthly health care coverage, yet that realization I fear is far off and the rethinking of food as the most important item of the day has been so buried in our society, it will take some time to resurface as the real source of security.
And as long as we are ignorant or able to redeuce our exposure to the people on whos backs our excesses are burdened these things will never change.
Maybe its just me and my daughter, but we cannot help but wonder how things can be so cheap in the store, and not have an unease in watching a TV made by someone who makes $6.00 in a twelve hour day.
Farmer Tim

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» thank you farmer Tim Posted by: lionsdenmother
I choose to look at things a little differently...
Posted by: wmichaeltrout on Nov 2, 2007 4:36 AM   
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if you keep score by the means you have chosen, then i think you deceive yourself and your readers...

if, as many wise men have iterated, that wisdom and knowledge (in that order) are, or should be, our goals in life, then, for many of us, those fortunate enough to 'be connected', are so much richer than our forbears... the internet brings us so much information (not all necessarily knowledge, and not all necessarilly wisdom), that if we are alive, we have obviously been nourished (i AM talking about americans here), and if you are reading this, you certainly are more blessed than the great majority of this world.

i am offended, myself, when we americans bitch and moan about losing our (entitled?) pre-eminant position among the populace of this earth...

from my christian upbringing, i remember that Jesus fed 5000 from a few fish, and a few loaves of bread, after his sermon on the mount. god can shower abundance from nothing when he so chooses.

my grandmother, who i am sure has a place at god's right hand, always reminded me of what i believe to this day is the most important message from that sermon ... and that is, that after all the multitudes had eaten, and been filled, that Jesus sent his disciples to gather up all the leftovers, the fish and the bread.... why?

So that it would not go to waste.

And so, I ask you to open your minds, open your hearts, and be not afraid of 'globalization', or even 'illegal immigration'; many of our forbears came here 'undocumented', and became the salt of our emerging society, and many, including the irish, the italian, and others, endured the hazing of this new society, with hope, and faith, and finally with a successfull triumph as pillars of our nation....

please, open your hearts and minds to those who come here to seek nothing less, and nothing more....

i know this discussion is not over, and i know there are aspects of this that i have not addressed... let us move ahead tho, i beseech you, my brethren...
and he promises that abundance, to those who would follow his most simple and golden rule, to treat our neighbor with as much love as we reserve for ourselves.

so, my friends, be not afraid to cast your bread upon the waters ... and be not afraid to love your neighbors, and, indeed, your enemies... for didn't our lord say, it is easy to love our own, but the challenge is to love even our enemies?

i am a gay christian, and this is my testimony for today.

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» what is this? Posted by: KaptainSpiffy
Whatever Happened to the Good Life?
Posted by: Leman on Nov 2, 2007 5:18 AM   
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The right question to ask would be:
"Was it ever there?"

The black-and-white picture of a happy family attached to this article is very typical of the "America's Golden Age" fantasy but it looks about as real as the nifty fifties story itself. The whole idea of everybody living good hearty middle-class life sounds bogus. Yes, unions were stronger then. Yes, college education surged due to the GI Bill. Yes, the economy was doing great - especially when comparing to the countries who actually had fought the war from the beginning of it.

But let's keep things in a perspective here. Drive through the worst urban ghettos (or walk if you are brave enough) and look around you. Boarded houses. Destroyed roads. Commerce consisting of nothing but pawn shops and liquor stores. In short - scary degree of economic, social and psychological devastation. And yet - every project will have a parking lot full of cars. Visit some of those people. You will see half-crumbled cells instead of apartments, rare pieces of junk furniture, often no fridge - and a 27" TV in the middle of it all, often running HBO 24 hours a day.

How many people in 50s or 60s owned a car (let alone an SUV on 22" chromium wheels)? How many had a TV? How many had a TV for the living-room, another one - to watch Geraldo while cooking lunch and another one - to play PlayStation while parents pretend they think you are doing your homework? How many households in America had a PC? What about cell phones? How much did people pay for their cloths? How many families were eating out 3 time a week? How many people had access to flu shots? What about Hepetitis B vaccine? What about HIV tests? Yes, I know you are going to say there was no HIV then.

We advanced tremendously since the "good old days" and many of those advances reach the very bottom of the bottom of our society. Yes, they mostly benefitted the top, but then - it was mostly the top who paid for them too. And even while acknowledging that goodies of our civilization got distributed in a highly inequitable manner - we have to realize that they surely affected everybody to some degree.

Before we start sobbing for the good old days gone forever, it helps to stop and ask how good those days really were.

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» tit for tat Posted by: Leman
Great article!
Posted by: war_on_tara on Nov 2, 2007 5:41 AM   
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She's able to see both how the little new "necessities" add up (cell phones, iPods) and to see the big picture:

We need to reevaluate the supposed "necessity" of higher education (especially people interested in the humanities, the arts, and in social change, who may find the fortune they spend on tuition could be more fruitfully invested elsewhere)...

That's the most radical phrase I've read anywhere in weeks! To discuss higher education in progressive circles, almost always, is to scheme how to rope more cattle into the stockyard.

And of course, I assumed she would find a way to blame everything on her parents' generation. Pleasantly surprising and inspiring article - I'll look for her book & byline.

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Hey America! You usually get the life you deserve...
Posted by: Farasien on Nov 2, 2007 5:45 AM   
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I find it difficult to impossible when I read things like this:

"Many things Americans currently consider necessities didn't even exist a generation ago. Cell phones weren't on the survey in 1996, but are now considered essential by 57 percent of respondents between the ages of 18 and 29 (8 percent of the same group considers their iPod to be a necessity, not a luxury). "

...to feel sorry for those of 'generation debt'. I'm in my early 30's, I went to a state college, have a reasonable home and lifestyle which I built without succumbing to the stupidity of our consumerist 'gotta have it NOW!!!' culture. The problem, in my view, with society these days is that we focus on image to the extreme exclusion of substance and think nothing of destroying ourselves in various ways as we compete for the status symbols (there's a pathetic thing right there) marketing assholes tell us we can't live without. I find it disgusting that we, as a people can't seem to understand that marketing and lifestyles based on greed and materialism are not only destructive to us individually, but to society as a whole. If you take a snapshot of society these days, you see a culture that’s falling and rapidly gaining speed. I believe this is due to our unwillingness to focus on the pertinent things in life and to ignore the fluff and glitz. When you die, you're real worth isn't measured in how many square feet of house you owned or how much fake, plastic 'bling' (I HATE that damn term) you've managed to accumulate, its measured in the level of impact you’ve had on the world and the people whose lives you've touched. Until we realize this and actually live it, the marketers and politicians will continue to divide us, financially and philosophically rape us and use us to make themselves even richer. Its time to wake up America, the house is on fire.

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» How to Buy Food on Credit Posted by: DataDoc
This is the most pressing issue facing our generation
Posted by: Trazom on Nov 2, 2007 6:08 AM   
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since it impacts every single facet of our lives. Global warming is of course just as important, if not more, but this issue is likely to change the way we live our lives, as Americans, much much sooner. I would like to see an article on this topic every day, but sadly I do not.

While people theorize and philosophize how we got ourselves into this predicament, of the self-medicated dumbed-down middle class in this materialistic struggle to consume ever more with dwindling paychecks and resources, while simultaenously casting off all things that used to be sacred to our lives (family, caregiving, growing our own food, etc.), it doesn't change the fact that we are here now and the only way to fix this is by going forward.

I read the Alternet articles about the cost of higher education, the cost of US healthcare, of housing, food, oil, etc., ad nauseum, with near stagnant wages, loss of unions, no job security, vanishing pensions, and the threat of offshoring entire communities, and am left with only one conclusion.

We are in serious trouble.

I do not think the powers that be necessarily designed the system to be the way it is today, rather, I think it naturally developed as an effect of their illustrious greed. Obviously, if you continue to siphon money and resources to the top, the bottom rungs of society will suffer the most (as they always have). But now something different is happening. The middle rungs are beginning to show serious signs of decay.

It is a sign that we have eclipsed the turning point.

Take a look around you, examine your situation, and extrapolate out a few years from now, maybe 5. What do you see? I see a great deal of pain and misery, sadly. There is no other conclusion given the current trendline.

Even more sadly, this issue will not see the light of day with whomever is elected President in '08. Much like global warming, it is a slow, insidious process that has taken years to unfold, and will take several more years still.

Trying to convince people today that they need to batten down and prepare for the future is about as useful as having a two-way conversation with a dog. By its very nature, the oncoming socio-economic disaster that awaits 95% of the American population will go unnoticed by most until it is too late. Like the death of a thousand cuts, one day that 95% will wake up and wonder what the hell happened to them, when they suddenly put down the cellphone, ipod, or whatever, and realize:

1. Their pension is gone, 401(k) is worth next to nothing
2. Their bank accounts are near worthless
3. They will never own their own home, or even if they do they won't be able to afford their property taxes
4. Their kids' futures are non-existent
5. Moving to India would be a better career move
6. Having a serious illness or accident is a death sentence
7. There is a military draft to occupy one of several wars in the world, since no one is stupid enough to volunteer anymore
8. It will cost just as much to drive to the grocery store as it will to buy the weekly food you will need to live on
9. Credit card companies will still get your money, even if you have nothing, they will effectively be the 4th branch of government

You get the picture. I hate being pessimistic - I really do. But if someone can show me how the above won't happen then I would gladly change my tune.

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» Relax, point #8 will never happen Posted by: Iconoclast421
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» Too true! Posted by: DataDoc
New Teaching Tool?
Posted by: Gravitas on Nov 2, 2007 6:47 AM   
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Is there a newer version of the video Afluenza out? I used to show it to my class until the Rev Ted Haggard's sex scandal. Everyone just laughs as he pontificates about greed and materialism when in the back of their mind they are imagining him........

As far as student loans go, students should organize for debt forgiveness, or at least debt reduction. If the elite can steal two elections for the sake of robbing the country blind and ruining what was left of our reputation internationally, students saddled with debt should feel no guilt in wanting relief. Power goes to those who take it. The rest of us need to stand up to the power-elite and take back what they have stolen from us!

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The planet is a playground for the rich...
Posted by: dover23 on Nov 2, 2007 6:58 AM   
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and they are enabled by this hoax known as US Democracy. They control politicians and the media. They control the access to the tremdous amount of wealth that surrounds us. They let the rest of us fight for the spare change while they lead lives of luxury and play war games.

They control the system, and they do not and will not ever let it be used against them. If this is not obvious yet then it might not ever be. So-called progressive politics will not be effective for positive change in today's environment in the US. The system is way too corrupt and has too much control over people's lives. It looks like Hillary or Rudy time, choose your poison.

Friends tell me anyone will be better than Bush. I say keep scapegoating Bush and these major structural problems remain undetected. Nothing will change for the better anytime soon, only for the worse. Help yourself now, reject consumerism and save for the future by trading earned dollars for something of stable value. The world is full of such things, use your imagination (or the internet!). We will eventually win, keep your sense of humor in the meantime.

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» THE WORLD IS YOUR PLAYGROUND Posted by: HistArch
A new day dawning
Posted by: solrev on Nov 2, 2007 7:01 AM   
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Sometimes you enlighten people have just as many apocalyptic visions, as the pagans do. Good times or bad times are just times. What do you expect from the space-time continuum? God told me in the garden that I would surely die and my flush would return to the stardust from which it was created. However, God also told me that I could live in the creation by the sweat of my brow. Someone else told me that “when I’m dead and when I’m gone there will be one child left to carry on”. It is never the end it is always the beginning until the end of creation itself if that ever ends.

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Being happy with what I have
Posted by: steven w on Nov 2, 2007 7:08 AM   
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is what I have been trying to do. I have tried not to regret my apathy in the previous decades, but damn! It was so much fun! We actually had things, but most importantly we used to talk to each other, smile at each other- we actually had alot of sex, which as far as I am concerned that is the greatest loss. It's an awful thing now. That's what they seem to say, or at least imply. Besides, who the hell has the time? HA!! Take the microwave, cellphone, and whatever, but give me back my society, please. But if I cannot be happy IN THIS MOMENT, I never can be. Easier said than done, but it is one of two secrets to happiness. The other is giving to others without letting anybody know. But damn! I too get discouraged.

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TURN OFF THE T.V.!!
Posted by: steven w on Nov 2, 2007 7:15 AM   
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Ignore the marketing.

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THE GOOD OLD DAYS AREN'T GOOD ENOUGH
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Nov 2, 2007 7:37 AM   
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The prospect of living longer seems to slow down the process of just growing up even though physical maturity happens earlier than ever. A decade is spent 'deciding'. No one is ready for marriage, children, work, etc. By the time this happens people have become self absorbed and sharing is a burden. Wants have become needs. I think many people are bored with the pursuit of whatever the next thing is. It's sad. We definitely have to laugh more. And turn off the TV. Thanks, ANNA

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A poor understanding of history and economics among young people bodes poorly.
Posted by: ABetterFuture on Nov 2, 2007 7:47 AM   
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If genuine historical context is too "boring, as if" (or simply too much trouble to delve into compared to spinning history out of whole cloth) for young writers, then I suggest folks that are under the impression that we are worse off--as a nation--put Upton Sinclair's The Jungle, or Steinbeck's Grapes of Wrath. Both works of fiction, but very close to history.

Not much has changed, folks: people who consistently make poor decisions generally end up with poor outcomes, all things being equal. That goes for people who finance/(f)lease personal autos--even the dread SUV, that goes for people who secure loans several hundreds of thousands on a salary of tens of thousands to *rent* a home from the bank that is worth less than they borrow, that goes for college kids who party with credit cards. It's been that way in this land since Jamestown, and it will be that way tomorrow. If you stay dedicated to being stuck on stupid long enough, then that will become your story.

Or, rather, ^ your article.

Now, we do need better policy makers. We need folks who can balance a budget looking over our tax dollars. We need folks that will not spend lives and treasure in useless warfare. We need people who look at taxation as a means to build infrastructure, rather than a means of buying votes, or shoring their political power.

All that would be great for our nation in the long term. Making wise financial decisions would be great for individuals, today, as it was for individuals yesterday.

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Reducing us to a third world country--there is a STRATEGY behind this!
Posted by: zooeyhall on Nov 2, 2007 7:53 AM   
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There is a sinister purpose behind all of this. The middle class is often the part of society that pushes for reforms and change. They have education and some financial security. They are more aware of the possibilities for change and reform then the poor classes. The wealthy oligarchs do not WANT change. So frequently it is the middle classes in a society where progressive reform originates from.

So the oligarchy in this country has come up with a solution: keep the middle-class financially stressed and off-balance. Start out-sourcing the professional technical jobs. Break the unions. Import illegal immigrants and H1B visa persons. Move or threaten to move the company if you don't get wage concessions.

Then hit them with the second punch: create a faux-news media that spreads paranoia and an obsession with triviality. Hammer home the propaganda line that everything is just swell with the economy, so if you aren't doing well then--by implication--you must not be working hard enough!

Finally, bring in the churches and right-wing religion to offer a pablum for their woes. Use religion to divert them to thinking about their reward in heaven, rather than going after the problems and people here on earth who are actually causing their difficulties.

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thoughtful article
Posted by: off-the-radar 2 on Nov 2, 2007 8:03 AM   
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Thanks for a thoughtful article.

Here's another interesting take on what a 18 year should do, written by a Russian survivor of their societal collapse. advice to an 18 year old

This perspective has really made me think about what is appropriate for my kids and we've started to talk about it already. Higher education? not so much. Life skills? definitely.

Although I really worry what the future will be like for women; even those with solid life skills. . .

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A Point that Seldom is Made
Posted by: SF_Patriot on Nov 2, 2007 8:04 AM   
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It is rightly pointed out that much of our "affluence" is due to wealth being created by credit. Yet it is very rare indeed that the most egregious example of such is even mentioned. Namely, the creation of debt by the Federal Reserve. Interestingly enough, virtually all of these essays use the late sixties to mid-seventies as a benchmark for U.S. affluence, because that time was also the beginning of the end of real tangible wealth. Nixon ended the Gold Standard for U.S. currency in 1971, and the U.S. along with the rest of the world has been using fiat currency ever since. The Bankers finally got what they wanted, and the middle class was forever doomed.

We've all heard the expression, "money doesn't grow on trees", but in fact it does. The idea that wealth can be created out of thin air certainly has its appeal, but it comes with some pretty dire consequences. What's worse, those consequences are not seen until decades later. Most people nowadays have no concept of what money really is. The creation of real wealth seems to be a mystery. Most people do not realize that the Federal Reserve System and the I.R.S. are part and parcel of the Banker's conspiracy to strip us of our wealth. And we have indeed been stripped of our wealth entirely with fiat currency that is in reality worth nothing more than the paper it is printed on. One way the Fed combats inflation, is to simply print more "legal tender" bills, yet this in actuality deflates the "value" of the dollar. So we are paying with a hidden tax on our money, and then we have the abusive an unconstitutional income tax that pays the interest on the loan for printing funny money. What a scam! The middle class is an aberration, because its true wealth is owned by the banks; take away a job here and there and wait for their meager savings to run out. Then you will see the banks foreclose the loans on their S.U.V.'s and suburban tract homes.

When money was actually something tangible, namely gold and silver (or the bank notes assured that such was on deposit), savings meant something. Nowadays, to save your money is pure folly, since it will be worth less in the future. Such was not the case before. My advice would be to hoard silver and gold, because the dollar cannot remain solvent much longer; at least not without continued military aggression and political meddling throughout the world. The world is already losing faith in our "supreme" currency, and we are losing our strategic power whilst we simultaneously dismantle our true means of wealth creation at home, which is indeed our ability to manufacture things. If we do not make some bold, revolutionary (or perhaps counterrevolutionary?) steps very soon, the resulting and inevitable burst of this financial bubble will have some very unfortunate consequences. Then, and it seems like only then under such duress will the people rise up against their masters. But do not think that our masters haven't planned for such an outcome. Why do you think our liberties have been stripped away? We're talking about minutiae here, while the big picture is outside our frame of thinking. We've got to take back our government, and trust me, the Democrats aren't interested in helping us.

Vote Ron Paul, he's our last hope for revolutionary change.

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More signs things are out of whack
Posted by: Trazom on Nov 2, 2007 8:11 AM   
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There are more and more commercials for luxury cars on television, when people are still paying for last year's heating bills (despite a warm winter in the northeast).

A credit card company is the only way for some people to "save" money, in a high-yield savings account. Never mind that folks could save more money by only buying what they can afford, and investing what is left in a savings account.

There is a credit card called the Chase Freedom card (free, to do what I want!), when the act of using a card promotes indebtedness, or a form of slavery. Still don't know how the Stones got involved with that one.

When you tell a group of people that you don't have credit card debt, they look at you like you have 3 heads.

Healthcare premium for a family of four will vey soon (or already is) eclipse the total yearly gross salary on minimum wage.

The cost of eating out and going to see a movie, for a family of four, is more expensive than buying many color tv sets. The cost of going to the county fair can be even worse.

If you use ATM machines only to withdraw your money, and you're not a member of that bank, you could actually wipe out all interest earned on your account through ATM fees, depending on the size and frequency of withdrawals. Better to just convert your paycheck to cash and shove it under your mattress for many folks.

Some banks are charging nominal fees to deposit coin rolls into your account. For pennies, that can be a sizeable percentage fee. So much for teaching little Johnny about the value of a piggybank.

I'll bet you can think of a few.

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The middle class is being mined
Posted by: ReallyBearish on Nov 2, 2007 8:42 AM   
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Goldman Sachs is heading up a group of market manipulating entities. The middle class chumps "invest" and then get their pockets picked. The "regulators" and the press serve as their little helpers.

Read the following:

www.gold-eagle.com/editorials_05/willie110107.html

When they're finished, the USA will be a 3rd world country begging for handouts.

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» It's not just the socialists Posted by: ReallyBearish
Complicit from birth
Posted by: zeofredo on Nov 2, 2007 8:46 AM   
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This article is right on point. The first paragraph lays it all out there.

I've been harping on this theme for a long while... to no avail, probably, since I've elected to take no job that smacks of careerism (I'm a laborer) and am often unemployed as a result. But I also have a debt-free life. This means I have no credibility in the eyes of those who work long hours and weeks in order to keep their families fed and furnished. Some of my friend's high demand lifestyles are robbing them of the vitality and humor (especially irreverent) I once admired... now this is replaced by self-righteousness and scorn for the 'ignorant' young generation.

I have listened to the chagrin of one friend who implied that there are 'lotus-eaters' who are not contributing to social change by opting out (by living expat lives in far off lands, for example) in order to avoid action on home turf. Of course, he is too busy with mortgage payments and family to do much himself... it's up to the free-spirited young to do something! And right there is the problem: how can we have an integrated, meaningful response to ruling forces when most of the adult population is bound up in the very process that is undermining their desires to act? How can a few activists stand up without greater support from their older peers, some of them former radicals?

I completely agree that nothing will truly change as long as we are chained to our comforts and luxuries. It confines our thinking into 'having' and 'aspiring', not 'being' and enjoying the moment. And living on credit is much like believing in the afterlife: deferring all hope and living through fiscal purgatory in the belief that a brighter day will bless us and redeem us.

So too are we ignorant of the real poverty and suffering in so many other places. I simply can't sympathize with folks in North America who bemoan their compromised personal lives: they are living in very nice homes decked out with high-tech hardware, which they get to enjoy a few precious hours per week. No one coerced you into the harness of production, ladies and gentlemen, and at least you are getting SOMETHING for your efforts.

Not so for those in less fortunate places south of the equator, to say the very least.

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Blame immigration, Kleinism
Posted by: Bobsays on Nov 2, 2007 8:56 AM   
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First, immigration:

1) Immigration is at its highest level ever, not just in the US, but all over the Western world. This has multiple effects, but its most pronounced is to destabilise and reduce salaries and wages. It also causes chaos in communities and basically wipes out collective action because nobody wants to waste their time organising and protesting to help some other group of people they can't relate to. Immigration also sparks a cold war like amibition competition. The overly ambitious asian student seeking the highest grades, the highest salary, the fastest route to wealth, ups the game for everyone. And as we can see from the rising new giants of China and India, this is being shaped in a very materialistic vision. More is ALWAYS better. This is the cause of all the debt.

2) Kleinism: the deep political cynicism best espoused by Naomi Klein is actually a disinsentive to wider political movements for change. It encourages activism to be replaced by knowing nods about pop culture and the media. While a great parlour room game, it is not the route to serious and long-term social change. Young people are attracted to this sort of no-commitment political discourse because it makes it all seem as easy as a good read at the coffee shop.

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» Relunctantly--I have to agree Posted by: zooeyhall
» Balderdash! Posted by: talkville
People need to know why this is happening
Posted by: MrX on Nov 2, 2007 9:04 AM   
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We are getting duped because we don't understand how the system works.

Federal Reserve Bank. They are causing the dollar to fall, and when that happens we lose our purchasing power. Please look into this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ji_G0MqAqq8

This is also on the inflation tax
http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst2006/tst071706.htm

How_our_financial_system_really_works
http://tinyurl.com/2lvqqv

http://digg.com/videos/educational/The_Money_Masters

Also if H.R. 1955 passes the Senate, they are going to start cracking down on what people say on the Internet. A commission will be setup to study how the things we say on the Internet can lead to terrorism. http://tinyurl.com/256lgn

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"Good" life
Posted by: willymack on Nov 2, 2007 9:54 AM   
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We've been programed (brainwashed) over who knows how many years to expect our nation to be the land of plenty, with unlimited horizons for all, and no end to the cornicopia of cheap food, cheap fuel, and an ever expanding plethora of material goods and gadgets that we never knew we needed. Our elected officials were looked upon as infallible demigods who would NEVER screw us over and were ALWAYS right about everything. It's almost incredible, given the events over the past 30 years, that some people (far too many) still carry this mindset with them, and will angrily attempt to refute anyone who points out that we're being royally screwed over by our saintly "leaders". This process is incremental and DELIBERATE, make no mistake about it. It's also cyclic. There was a "Guilded Age" before this one, and there'll probably be another after this one self-destructs, with all the turmoil and grief that implosion creates. Unless we wake up and begin, as concerned citizens, to hound our elected officials to stop the abuses of the hideous monsters impersonating our leaders and protectors. It won't take any more time to do this than watching witless sitcoms and "reality" shows and will do all of us a hell of a lot more good.

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Easily Predicted - Read Your History
Posted by: thehousedog on Nov 2, 2007 10:28 AM   
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The Roman Empire didn't last all that long either. Bread and Circuses - we have fast food and gadgets. While we are all plugged into who knows what or why, the world around us is crumbling and like Nero, we are just fiddling around. This is what "they" have wanted all along and "we" have given it to them by being equally as disinterested in our country and our success as a whole, indeed the future of our country and this planet - sorry - my iphone is ringing.....

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» RE: Rome? Posted by: aka_bozo
» RE: ome? Posted by: jbur816
» RE: ome? Posted by: aka_bozo
» I read my history Posted by: xconservative
» RE: I read my history Posted by: aka_bozo
The country has gone from
Posted by: AMERICAN VETERAN on Nov 2, 2007 10:38 AM   
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"a chicken in every pot" to:

A chicken with pot in the white house.

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» RE: FS:Nokia N91 just $190 Posted by: juanpecan81
» I wonder how much of that $190 Posted by: xconservative
There is one more element.
Posted by: monkeywrench on Nov 2, 2007 11:07 AM   
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A large percentage of the increase in "upward longing" that has occurred over the last few decades, with its resultant indebtedness, is due to an insidious and pervasive form of cultural brainwashing: advertising. This has been, and continues to be, the real "mission accomplished" of corporate America.

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Too late. . .
Posted by: monkeywrench on Nov 2, 2007 11:14 AM   
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Ours, with Blue (double) Cross, already has, by more than $1,000.

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Read "The Two Income Trap"
Posted by: jbur816 on Nov 2, 2007 12:16 PM   
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by Harvard professor Elizabeth Warren and her daughter. It is full of amazing facts on this subject. It is available on amazon used and you could probably find it at your local library (like I did.)

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America is a 3rd World Country
Posted by: Iconoclast421 on Nov 2, 2007 12:18 PM   
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We just don't know it yet, because of dollar hegemony.

Well, the rate that dollar is falling should be of primary concern to everyone. Global warming might make life difficult for you, but it aint gonna do it nearly as fast as this current rate of currency devaluation will.

Ron Paul is one of the few who has been taking a stand against one of the primary mechanisms which leads to currency devaluation. Everyone else is either uninformed, misinformed, or worse... a part of the scam. People like Limbaugh AND Billary are most certainly a part of the scam. As is Greenspan, Rudy McRomney, and anyone who spends more than 60 minutes a year as a guest or host on fox news. Rupert Murdoch. Roger Ailes. Dick Cheney and all the (remaining) neocons. Ted Turner. It's quite a long list really. The question you have to ask yourself is a very very simple one: Would any of those people stick around if the dollar totally collapsed? Hell no. Most of them already own property around the world. Their bags are practically already packed. I can tell you one thing, people like Ron Paul surely will be sticking around no matter what happens. (He hasn't taken enough blood or bribe money to be able to afford a house in Dubai, like Cheney.)

Anyway, yeah if you want to follow Hillary that is your right. But let it not be said that no one tried. Let it not be said that no one knew. Call us kooks or whatever, but when the iron fist comes down, don't go screaming like you weren't warned. There is a reason the founding fathers made such "radical" statements. It is precisely for times like these... in the vain hope that maybe people would listen.

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» RE: America is a 3rd World Country Posted by: Iconoclast421
Some of these "luxuries" truly are necessities
Posted by: Callibrarian on Nov 2, 2007 1:15 PM   
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Yes, it's easy to look down on my generation and say we're wasting our money, and, yes, some of us are, but part of the list of "luxuries" listed are necessities. Take cell phones. The author neglected to mention how many people no longer have land lines, or that colleges charged so much for dorm phones that cells are cheaper, or how many employers require constant contact. Those designer gyms are not for the student body at large. They create them for the big athletes people pay big money to watch play---the other students get to use them just as a side effect. (Besides, those gyms are usually built because a rich alumni wants his name on a building, not because the school wanted to please the students.) I went from not having a home Internet to needing it for grad school to needing high speed because the databases were charging my university $2 per minute for passive use and they would "contact" students whose bills were excessive. I kept it because it's necessary for work. With the hours we work, microwaves ARE necessities---we spend 9 hours at work, 2 hours commuting (mine on public transit), and now people are implying we're selfish because we want to eat now instead of at midnight. As for air conditioning, it's hot! Many places are not habitable without air conditioning because our homes are built for style instead of suitability. The AC doesn't need to be blasted so high you feel like the Artic ice is reforming, but cooling does help. The problem is not "luxuries," whose definition changes with technology---remember, refrigeration was once considered a luxury. The problem is we've been taught every man for himself. This is not something my generation learned alone. It was passed down to us from an older people who got what they wanted out of life and, when we asked for their help, basically showed us they didn't care enough about us to do anything. They had made it through college (though it was cheaper then), they had homes (also cheaper), they had jobs (or at least they used to). Instead of crediting the government for helping them achieve those dreams, they act like it was something they had done all by themselves and thus they didn't sympathize with the air conditioned dorm living set who had waffles for breakfast and thus didn't deserve their help.

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» bum rap Posted by: lionsdenmother
Ron Paul, a libertarian?
Posted by: aka_bozo on Nov 2, 2007 1:54 PM   
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And, Ron Paul – Libertarian – is going to use the power of the Federal government to REGULATE the financial markets? Isn’t that against EVERYTHING Anne Rand stood for?

Why, when I was your age, we wanted the Libertarians to win so that they could implement their “survival of the fittest” philosophy of economics and “stick it” to the “welfare queens”. Are you SURE this guy Ron Paul isn’t just a “big-government-liberal”? Don’t you KNOW that regulation leads to WELFARE!!!

If you don’t believe that the markets are self-correcting and self-regulating – and run by THE most honorable (and therefore, the most successful) people on the planet, HOW can you honestly call yourselves Libertarian? What is happening now is just PART of the self-correcting process. The VERY VERY VERY VERY few bad apples will be thrown out, and things will return to normalcy again, which is proving who EXACLTY the “fittest” ARE. Instead, you would have evil GOVERNMENT LIBERTARIAN BUREAUCRATS telling the finest leaders of American businesses how they can run things?! I’m shocked, SHOCKED!!! Then next thing you’ll be telling me is that Americans are all supposed to CARE about other Americans. What’s gotten into you young “Libertarians”, you sound like Democrats!

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» enron, world com,just to name a few Posted by: lionsdenmother
Have to Mention Peak Oil
Posted by: Iconoclast421 on Nov 2, 2007 2:05 PM   
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An article like this is just disinfo if they don't even mention peak oil. At least mention the fact that US production peaked 36 years ago, and we've been slipping ever since. Now that the world is plateauing, we're going to really start slipping and sliding until people get their heads screwed on straight and start innovating again. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that our future depends largely on how soon we are able to master anti-gravity. The first most basic anti-grav machines will allow the cyclical lifting and dropping of heavy weights which will be used to generate massive amounts of electricity. When people think about anti-grav, they think about jetsons, and that's really kind of sad. All we need is something simple that can be attached to a rotor and a turbine. It's not that far off... it would be here already if not for our preference for those thousands of paris hilton type distractions...

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Thanks for the belly laugh. We now only have six deadly sins.
Posted by: Sojourner on Nov 2, 2007 2:26 PM   
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"...people aren't greedier than their predecessors, argue Draut, Kamenetz, and Brook, they simply need more money to make ends meet."

By golly, that's also true of the rich, the richer, and the filthy rich. We can scratch that sin off the seven deadly list. Who needs religion anymore?

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» fiscal responsibility Posted by: lionsdenmother
» RE: fiscal responsibility Posted by: aka_bozo
So we should forego college educations and owning homes because some Mexicans live in a shack?
Posted by: doinaheckuvajob on Nov 2, 2007 3:14 PM   
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What logic is that?

This type of left-ism that accepts the right wing's shafting of our socio-economic needs is absurd.

We need to make college and housing affordable. People can choose to be as materialistic or altruistic about their values as they like, but our society should provide the opportunities for those choices. That's what used to make us Americans.

Now what makes us Americans are Republicans who'll get rich off of denying your health claim and a thousand other exploitations, nickle and diming, and lack of quality for the cheapest labor and methods, or people on the left whose solution is to have us all be hermits.

I want to stop using plastic bags because of the trash polluting the ocean as much as any reasonably sane environmentalist, but I am not going to give up striving for an America that provides opportunity for economic advancement. Putting your head in the sand on that one is fine when you're a college sophomore or dropout, but not ok when you have any life experience whatsoever. This article hurt my brain, but my caffeine in my tea rescued me.

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» Plastic Bags Posted by: veggiegrrrl
One more thing I hate when it turns up on the Left,
Posted by: doinaheckuvajob on Nov 2, 2007 3:21 PM   
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as a good lefty myself, is this holier than thou we're going to tell you how you should live your life-ism that this article promotes. Essentially the author's saying we should all adopt co-ops as the solution to everything and forget a college education in the arts or humanities. What arrogant nonsense. That might be fine for the author, and she ought to learn how to write from her own perspective of sharing how it worked for her but acknowledging that everyone is different and it might work differently for others. Assuming otherwise is the height of distortion, myopia and arrogance.

And the disdain for a college education in the arts and humanities, while such an education may not be practical financially, it pays off in other ways. I don't need to defend the virtues of an educated mind to a simpleton writer who seems to think that universal access to affordable college education is a needless luxury. A society without an educated public is a worthless society. I'm done with this kind of stupidity.

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Exercise restraint
Posted by: Jeanne on Nov 2, 2007 4:21 PM   
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If we all lived more like our grandparents did by only buying what we can afford, we could all have more financial serenity. As a society we have been exhorted to buy, buy, buy. Credit is too easy, and it's like drugs, once you've dug yourself into a hole, it's hard to stop digging. Yes, the economy would tank. The financial model the world seems to operate on is based on infinite growth, fueled by infinite resources. That, clearly, is a false model. I don't know how it's been sustained for so long. But I have to think it's going to come crashing down at some point. Is there a safe harbor? Can a regular person weather a severe economic downturn? I only hope that by being relatively debt-free my future is not completely out of my control.

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why the dump on higher ed?
Posted by: paulbryan on Nov 2, 2007 6:50 PM   
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Places of high ed still provide some of the few institutions in American society where, without committing intellectual suicide, people can encounter something other than the depressingly dominant materialistic values the author worries about. So THAT is where we should economize? So we can more easily afford the Escalade? Some poster sees it as refreshing that the concerns voiced in the article get joined to the powerful current of easy disdain for (not business or engineering related) academia. It looks to me more like trying to gain credit for "independence" cheaply by throwing in an attack on something liberals profess to value.

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» It's the cost, smarty! Posted by: DataDoc
» RE: It's the cost, smarty! Posted by: paulbryan
Materialism & TV
Posted by: TerryS on Nov 2, 2007 8:43 PM   
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"The emerging generation, of which I am part,
is post-Watergate, post-Monica Lewinsky, and
weaned on irony and satire. We expect the government
to deceive us and are hardly surprised, let alone
outraged, when these expectations are met."

Brilliantly Put !


Believe it or not, consumerism and meterialism
are directly related to how much TV we watch.


"Watch Not, Want Not? Packard/Stanford Study
Links Kids' TV Time and Consumerism"

http://www.lpch.org/newsEvents/NewsReleases/
2006/screenTime.html


"In my research I find each added hour of TV watched
increases a consumer's annual spending by roughly $200
per year. So, an average level of TV watching of 15 hours
a week equals nearly $3,000 per year."

http://www.time.com/time/community/
transcripts/chattr052098.html


One solution is to only rent DVD's or watch
HBO, thus cutting out the commercials. This would
help, but it is only a partial solution as
producers are now using the power of "Branded Entertainment"
to push spending.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Branded_entertainment#
Product_Placement_in_Branded_Entertainment

considering the hours spent *every day* in front of
the tube, is it any wonder how apathetic and materialistic
Americans have become.

http://www.tvsmarter.com/documents/consumerism.html

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Hey "Astra"
Posted by: apophenia_monkey on Nov 2, 2007 8:51 PM   
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the 60s are dead sweetheart--and while i didn't help kill them, i certainly helped burying the bodies.

please, take off the dogma-blinders. or at least, ditch your microwave before you throw stones from TJ.

and btw, you're MORe than welcome to move there--i live right across the border in san diego and the reek from there just about manages to match the reek of your writing.

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Plato and Play-doh
Posted by: talkville on Nov 3, 2007 2:05 AM   
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When Plato and friends developed their theories of "the Good", they were part of a society which based it's wealth and leisure on slavery. Theologians and Aristocrats and Kings have ravenously consumed and digested these theories up until our present day (they'll continue to do so, and they have plenty of bribed and slavish supporters).

Each one of us is being encouraged and taught to internalize the Commodity Form - and it's been incredibly successful. In other days, the worker sold his labor and labor powers. Now workers must sell THEMSELVES, thus exchanging for money their full bodies, psychologies, affects, etc. It's ubiquitous to hear now to hear people speak in the first-person of themselves AS commodities. (to wit: Britney Spears and celebrities, sports figures) They contract THEMSELVES (i.e. sell) in exchange for money to an OWNER. Down here in the land of the minimum wage world the same is occurring, albeit not for that much money. It may be inter-mediate, but it's slavery nonetheless. The aristocrat has the good life according to Plato and resides in the heavens divine; each of us is the Play-doh and resides in various toy-boxes if not strewn in fragments on the ground or in the streets.

The Master wants Slaves, and the Slave wants Masters. Neither really like to deal with such things as democratic living and emancipation when they get too used to each Other. Such efforts are messy and massy -- like Play-doh.

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» Don't blame Plato for slavery. Posted by: Sojourner
» Don't blame Posted by: talkville
It's not always like that
Posted by: sunflwrmoonbeam on Nov 3, 2007 4:32 PM   
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I'm 23, went to a state college, worked 20-45 hours a week during it, graduated in the top of my department, bought almost nothing for years, and yet I have ~30k in debt (student loans mostly, no credit card debt). I'm lucky that we were smart enough to save and my husband found a good job that we can afford a comfortable lifestyle, but if I hadn't married him I'd be screwed. It's not all consumerism; a lot of us are just barely scraping by even without the ipods, fancy cars, designer bags, and big screen tvs.

Most people i know don't ahve furniture and buy all their clothes second hand. And we're the children of the middle class. Most dont' have cars, but bike and bus. Most barely buy food, as they don't have time to cook it. It is really sad that people think al lthe young are frivolous idiots, when we're not. We're malnourished, sick, and struggling. Yet no one cares.

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Who really cares?
Posted by: TWilliams on Nov 3, 2007 6:30 PM   
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I can hire migrants for less than Americans and they work harder. I don't have to pay taxes, worry about lawsuits or any other BS. The people who created the system are to blame. Not me.

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We're living it!
Posted by: raywigton on Nov 4, 2007 10:45 AM   
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It existed in our childhood memories when we were too young and naive to understand the problems of the world. It was a time when we weren't so materialistic. If we were poor, we didn't know it. We had nothing to compare with, nothing to make us feel inferior, and nobody telling us we need this or that to be happy. Happiness is a state of mind. True joy is the joy that we feel when we are with friends and family, the people we care about, and we are sharing with one another. For those of us who understand the good life, we are living it.

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» i was poor and knew it Posted by: lionsdenmother
common sense
Posted by: grkjr on Nov 5, 2007 5:31 PM   
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I an not sure i saw anyone addressing the point of why no one is showing up at demonstrations, or was it not in there somewhere.. i could be thinking of some other article by now as i read so many comments. anyway.. i would ask just how many of you commenters were in the early demonstrations before the war in iraq started.. there were millions.. and how many were at the last one... why did you or so many give up.. is there an alternative to going to the streets????????

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» NOPE ! Posted by: alleybear
What about my Kids?!
Posted by: fiddler83 on Nov 5, 2007 7:06 PM   
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I'm 24. I don't have any children. But I wonder about the future. If I have kids when I'm 30 (and that's a big if given that I'd actually like to have some decent savings before getting married and having kids) and the cost of education keeps going up, what am I going to have to pay for my kids' education. $150,000? $200,000? $250,000? Who the hell is going to be able to afford that? It's a terrifying question. My kid will have to live at home until he's 35 just to be able to repay his loans.

If we keep travelling down this road, when does it stop? Saving for college is now like trying to buy a second home, except there is no return on it once you pay it all down.

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Tough to summerize the current situation (meaning, today) better than...
Posted by: aka_bozo on Nov 6, 2007 11:35 AM   
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this.

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Bent Cardan
Posted by: Bent Cardan on Nov 7, 2007 7:04 AM   
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Come on people. Every consider the alternative to the status quo? If America is so bad, why not move to China?

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Today's update...
Posted by: aka_bozo on Nov 7, 2007 9:57 AM   
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Poseidon Adventures

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my story
Posted by: lionsdenmother on Nov 7, 2007 5:38 PM   
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i am 50 i have been with the same company for 18 years , i make a decent wage and have benefits. but nice things cost money, big money, i chose to put my money in a modest home and small car, that takes most of my wages . i have a cell phone because it is a necessity these days , for a woman broken down on the road also for a busy woman who is working 8 hours and drives a hour, family might need to reach me. furniture is old and shabby i cant afford new stuff with, enery bills and other bills . if i want to do anything extra like go to dinner or buy some clothes i have to charge it and pay it off when i get the bill or split it for a few months if i buy clothes. i do not think i live materialistically. inflation is real and it is here to stay. struggle is the american way, if i made this money 10 years ago i might have something put away for retirement as it is i will most likely work til i die

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the good ol days
Posted by: lionsdenmother on Nov 7, 2007 6:19 PM   
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There were good times and bad times just depended on where you were and who your parents were, how much money they had.
in some ways the idea of the american dream and the pride we had in our country when i was young was the dream, the hope we had for the future was where the fond memories come from.
and things are really gloomy and have been for a long time since jfk,bobby and martin were gunned down. But they have been made into a nightmare with george and dick and i am frightened

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If anybody is still interested in some "data"
Posted by: aka_bozo on Nov 8, 2007 11:01 AM   
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here

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