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Pay It off Later: Debt Is the New American Dream

By Dee Hon, Adbusters. Posted November 10, 2007.


The U.S. addicted to debt -- and the country and millions of its citizens are at the brink of bankruptcy.
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Money for nothing. Own a home for no money down. Do not pay for your appliances until 2012. This is the new American Dream, and for the last few years, millions have been giddily living it. Dead is the old version, the one historian James Truslow Adams introduced to the world as "that dream of a land in which life should be better and richer and fuller for everyone, with opportunity for each according to ability or achievement."

Such Puritan ideals -- to work hard, to save for a better life -- didn't die from the natural causes of age and obsolescence. We killed them, willfully and purposefully, to create a new gilded age. As a society, we told ourselves we could all get rich, put our feet up on the decks of our new vacation homes, and let our money work for us. Earning is for the unenlightened. Equity is the new golden calf. Sadly, this is a hollow dream. Yes, luxury homes have been hitting new gargantuan heights. Ferrari sales have never been better. But much of the ever-expanding wealth is an illusory façade masking a teetering tower of debt -- the greatest the world has seen. It will collapse, in a disaster of our own making.

Distress is already rumbling through Wall Street. Subprime mortgages leapt into the public consciousness this summer, becoming the catchphrase for the season. Hedge fund masterminds who command salaries in the tens of millions for their supposed financial prescience, but have little oversight or governance, bet their investors' multi-multi-billions on the ability that subprime borrowers -- who by very definition have lower incomes and/or rotten credit histories -- would miraculously find means to pay back loans far exceeding what they earn. They didn't, and surging loan defaults are sending shockwaves through the markets. Yet despite the turmoil this collapse is wreaking, it's just the first ripple to hit the shore. America's debt crisis runs deep.

How did it come to this? How did America, collectively and as individuals, become a nation addicted to debt, pushed to and over the edge of bankruptcy? The savings rate hangs below zero. Personal bankruptcies are reaching record heights. America's total debt averages more than $160,000 for every man, woman, and child. On a broader scale, China holds nearly $1 trillion in us debt. Japan and other countries are also owed big.

The story begins with labor. The decades following World War II were boom years. Economic growth was strong and powerful industrial unions made the middle-class dream attainable for working-class citizens. Workers bought homes and cars in such volume they gave rise to the modern suburb. But prosperity for wage earners reached its zenith in the early 1970s. By then, corporate America had begun shredding the implicit social contract it had with its workers for fear of increased foreign competition. Companies cut costs by finding cheap labor overseas, creating a drag on wages.

In 1972, wages reached their peak. According to the us department of Labor Statistics, workers earned $331 a week, in inflation-adjusted 1982 dollars. Since then, it's been a downward slide. Today, real wages are nearly one-fifth lower -- this, despite real GDP per capita doubling over the same period.

Even as wages fell, consumerism was encouraged to continue soaring to unprecedented heights. Buying stuff became a patriotic duty that distinguished citizens from their communist Cold War enemies. In the eighties, consumers' growing fearlessness towards debt and their hunger for goods were met with Ronald Reagan's deregulation the lending industry. Credit not only became more easily attainable, it became heavily marketed. Credit card debt, at $880 billion, is now triple what it was in 1988, after adjusting for inflation. Barbecues and tv screens are now the size of small cars. So much the better to fill the average new home, which in 2005 was more than 50 percent larger than the average home in 1973.

This is all great news for the corporate sector, which both earns money from loans to consumers, and profits from their spending. Better still, lower wages means lower costs and higher profits. These factors helped the stock market begin a record boom in the early '80s that has continued almost unabated until today.

These conditions created vast riches for one class of individuals in particular: those who control what is known as economic rent, which can be the income "earned" from the ownership of an asset. Some forms of economic rent include dividends from stocks, or capital gains from the sale of stocks or property. The alchemy of this rent is that it requires no effort to produce money.

Governments, for their part, encourage the investors, or rentier class. Economic rent, in the form of capital gains, is taxed at a lower rate than earned income in almost every industrialized country. In the U.S. in particular, capital gains are being taxed at ever-decreasing rates. A person whose job pays $100,000 can owe 35 percent of that in taxes compared to the 15 percent tax rate for someone whose stock portfolio brings home the same amount.


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What about white-collar crime?
Posted by: snideelf on Nov 10, 2007 12:35 AM   
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Enron is the best example here.
Just watch the docu. "The Smartest Guys in the Room".
One of those guys took off with about 250 mil, divorced his wife and married a stripper.
He is now the 2nd largest landowner in the state of Colorado.
And what about kenny boy himself.
Court dismissed the whole thing.
The Lay family DID NOT have to return any money.

Double standard here.
Rich, white people can steal immense amounts of money and mostly get away with it.
But heaven help you if you just robbed a 7-11 for some petty cash.

People may be in debt and some may not ever be able to clear their debts, but if you're in a position to do some high crimes a la ENRON, there's a good chance that you'll get away with it.

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Capital destruction is under way...
Posted by: mmckinl on Nov 10, 2007 1:09 AM   
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House prices are falling off a cliff . Of the 21 trillion in home equity it is likely that 25% will evaporate. Just to pile on , the dollar is plunging. The dollar is now worth 30% less than just a few years ago. When you multiply the haircuts you get a 50% devaluation in the purchasing power of your investment.

As if that were not bad enough wages are going nowhere so a real inflation rate that includes luxuries like food , healthcare and energy is running at 5% or better , more than most are getting in raises. God help you if there is a college education involved.

New jobs are much less likely to carry any benefits and the average new job only pays 80% of the old job inspite of the loss of benefits.

The final straw is the energy shortage. Energy will never really go down, it will only increase as supply is constrained and new growth in Asia consumes ever more each year.

Without the cheap energy, with continued out sourcing and down sizing the American economy will never regain its previous productivity or viability. We have been hollowed out to the point where we don't produce much of what the world is willing to pay for.

More and more disposable income will have to be used for food and fuel causing falling sales of all other goods. Layoffs will occur , causing ever more bankruptcies.

Get ready for the reckoning of a bereft and broken country in a sea of debt, domestic and foreign.

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» RE: Capital destruction is under way... Posted by: QuestionAuthority
"It's the business of the future to be dangerous."
Posted by: Sojourner on Nov 10, 2007 2:50 AM   
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"And we can count on it always doing its job." (A.N. Whitehead.)

Compared to most of the rest of the world, the poorest American is rich. If we have hard times ahead, it's only because what we have taken to be typical proves to be a fool's paradise.

Will we find leadership adequate to the shake-out? That depends on whether or not we are adequate in selecting our leaders. Most people "go along to get along." So long as enough good people do nothing (Burke), evil will triumph. Same as it ever was (Talking Heads).

Will the American Dream become a nightmare? I hope not. Instead we will move from a drunken binge to sobriety. The withdrawal may hurt, but it's a sign of returning health.

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trying to add new points
Posted by: anothername on Nov 10, 2007 2:59 AM   
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Commenting to an AlterNet post several weeks ago, I noted that Americans are not addicted to debt. Debt is a symptom. In the quick read-through I gave this article, I did not see anything new added to the discussion.

This attitude of wanting it now did not develop suddenly. It has taken decades for it to reach this point. However, for every story I heard or witnessed of a young person living in a high-rise apartment then buying a house with no money down, I witnessed a couple struggling to pay off two mortgages because they bought a house without first selling the one they already owned. Thus, while I have observed many, many people fail to think beyond the immediate future (e.g., end the war in Iraq and who cares what else the next president does), I really do not know just how pervasive it is in society as a whole. Although, I suppose the people who bought the second house without first selling the house they owned expected immediate gratification.

I do wonder how much the cost of labor compared to the dispose-and-buy approach (e.g., repair the TV or buy a new one) has led to the current mentality of immediate gratification. Instant e-mail notifications, cell phones that are not turned off, and even high-speed broadband also can be given as examples of instant gratification indoctrination.

Retirement marketing and vacation promotions also have some responsibility in the immediate gratification profile. Annuities and 401(k) managers, even the Social Security Administration, have used steady income growth when making projections of future wealth. Yet, anybody who has been in the job market for any length of time understands that jobs come and go, recessions and strikes or factory layoffs reduce income in any given year, even the value of the dollar compared to other currencies means a vacation to Europe may not happen every year.

Then there are the lotteries and casinos. Are these playing into the hands of people who want immediate gratification or are they fueling the mentality that everything will be fine and I can have all that I want, if I just win the jackpot?

Here’s the real punch line: What are we doing now that will help the masses who do find that they cannot have all of which they demand? What will millions of people who feel their lives have been unfairly diminished do as they seek immediate gratification for their suffering?

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» Don't forget the buses Posted by: anothername
» RE: Don't forget the buses Posted by: underledge
» Personal Finance Posted by: rhbee
» RE: trying to add new points Posted by: QuestionAuthority
» RE: trying to add new points Posted by: Chloe2005
Whew!
Posted by: adp3d on Nov 10, 2007 4:33 AM   
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whatta rollercoaster ride...

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Here's the real deal
Posted by: skoog5600 on Nov 10, 2007 5:49 AM   
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The author offered a well thought out historial perspective of the impending crisis. What I would add to this is that it will NOT be a soft landing. It will be ugly and life in the US will never be the same again. In fact I suspect the crash and burn will bring the US to its knees and the country will become a lower tier first world possibly higher tier third world country that will be more dependent upon other nations such as China and India. Oh how the tide will turn.

Another point I would like to make is the notion that the debt mentality is a symptom of a much larger cultural problem. This idea of instant gratification, unwillingness to sacrifice, individuality (me first attititude) and lack of community awareness or the importance of taking care of one another for the common good of all is long gone. These symptoms run deep and I would say define a large part of the American culture. Until collectively the US populace takes a long hard look, nothing will change. Perhaps it is too late, but to quote AA, you can't tell a drunk he's a drunk, not until he bottoms out will he admit it.

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Debt is a Weapon...
Posted by: BrianOfNairobi on Nov 10, 2007 5:54 AM   
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Debt in its true essence is not just about owing money it is another form of control, and a very effective form of control at that. The world's banking systems are based on creating wealth (for them) from thin air paid for by the masses going into debt. For it is the people of the world who, by their labour, create the real wealth.

As the article states: "... the ever-expanding wealth is an illusory facade masking a teetering tower of debt -- the greatest the world has ever seen."

This tower of debt is like an intangible Tower of Babel, it can't be seen but it is there. And the rug beneath this tower is about to be pulled, not by Larry Silverstein, but by those who actively encouraged the people to build their debt upon this rug... the Federal Reserve and the international bankers.

Wall Street will not have say in what happens. In 1929 we had the Wall Street Crash followed by the economic depression of the 1930s, and the resultant WWII. But the Crash did not cause the Depression. The financial contractions initiated by the Fed and the international banking system was the real cause of the Depression.

In the decade and a half following the 1929 Crash the working classes lost their livelihoods and struggled to feed their families, the middle classes lost their hard-earned savings, and many US citizens lost their lives in WWII.

99% of Americans suffered one way or another but the top 1% lost nothing... in fact the opposite happened... during the Depression and WWII they accumulated vast fortunes at the expense of their fellow citizens. Many of these super rich elites actually financed the Nazis before and during the war.

In a very real sense it all went as planned for this parasitical minority... and its happening again. The initial financial contraction has already started. The subprime mortage catastrophe is the first shot of the assault on the poorest sections of US society, espeacially the Black community ( these are the same strata of society that supply the troops for the war in Iraq). This is the biggest loss of wealth the Afro-American people have ever suffered.

The world's banking elites use boom and bust capitalism, the debt and wars that result from it, as a means to control the world's population just as they control all media outlets which lay out corridors of thought with set parameters which help to mould our very minds.

They are utterly without conscience and will resort to any means necessay to hold onto and expand their power and domination over humanity, even to the extent of deliberately creating the conditions for WWIII. The USA needs another revolution because you cannot vote these bastards out.

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» Post hoc propter hoc? Posted by: Lloyd Drako
» Six years of the Bushcrew Posted by: Lloyd Drako
» And who is BIG BROTHER? Posted by: Cathyc
» RE: Debt is a Weapon... Posted by: monkeywrench
» RE: Debt is a Weapon... Posted by: nightgaunt
» EXCELLENT POST! Posted by: snideelf
..and in the Presidential Election ??
Posted by: taffycat on Nov 10, 2007 5:56 AM   
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To me this looming long bankruptcy is Priority #1, along with re-establishing the Constitution as the highest law of the land. I hear nothing of interest in either of these areas from those wishing to rule. I'm sure if cornered, they'd have nothing prepared to say in reply. Certainly Hillary, with her live pre-prepared circuit speeches, done like tv commercials, has nothing useful to offer. I'm sick of 'sound-bite' answers that have no substance whatsoever. These debates are such a farce.. more like media try-outs for reality tv. How out-of-touch candidates expect to get more than the paltry 45% who bother to vote to increase I cannot imagine. I've always wondered how few citizens could vote and still have it considered a legal election. We have quorums for everything else.

And while I'm ranting here.. our local elections had only 11-15% of the voters show up at the polls this week, to vote on key school levies, and they couldn't handle it. Once again the mailed-in absentee ballots are in turmoil, and the computer networks down for hours. Eight years and they still can't get it together..? Now high-school students who volunteer to work the polls get a day off of school.. and get paid for it. I can just see another presidential election fiasco looming, and once again no one will be held accountable. And whoever has the most dirty political machine will draft their candidate as President before the polls even close. I'm ashamed to be an American right now, and even more ashamed to be living in Ohio.

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» That's not Democracy! Posted by: Cathyc
WHEN EVERYTHING BECAME "AN INVESTMENT
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Nov 10, 2007 8:29 AM   
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When buying a home became an investment strategy and not a place to live in comfort, everything changed. Real estate always appreciates, they said. Well, that is except when it doesn't. People "bet the farm" the week after they bought it. Everything became an investment not a purchase. Salaries flattened. Education became unaffordable. Suddenly it took 2 salaries. Nobody wanted to hear about the pitfalls of living in the future. Now it's here. But, we'll smarten up, we always do. Thanks, ANNA

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» Yes! Everybody repeat after me: Posted by: Lloyd Drako
Responsibility for debt mentality?
Posted by: windseye on Nov 10, 2007 8:39 AM   
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I don't know about any others but I'm not shouldering the responsibility for our society currently built up on all manner of debt. I didn't do it... my family of origin didn't do it... no one I know has been in the corporate/political/economic elite during the last hundred years, and THEY are responsible for manipulating the economy toward their own ends. We're obviously in the climate of "let them eat cake if they have no bread" (George Bush Sr. asks what's a checkout scanner?) and "the mob will conform as long as most have bread and circuses" (tv, media, new cell phone toys and fast foods)

Madison Ave. advertising and marketing have been the hand maidens for the last almost 100 years and, YES, they have done a fine job stimulating and guiding the populace toward these very ends... the elite have to be satisfied. They make money on the wa up and the way down! And they don't lose money in economic debacles--- they created and/or guide the process via the Fed boys and the banking hand maidens.

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» RE: The Reagen evilution. Posted by: nightgaunt
» RE: The Reagen revolution. Posted by: aka_bozo
Point fingers all you want, debt is what causes Depressions
Posted by: ReallyBearish on Nov 10, 2007 9:34 AM   
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One of the characteristics of the 1920s was the massive buildup of credit-- the invention of time payments, the expansion of margin buying of stocks, the massive buildup of corporate debt to buy back stocks, etc. One of the charts produced by Alan Newman of CROSSCURRENTS shows that the debt buildup of the 1920s was equivalent to that of today.

Debt can be paid in one of three ways: it can be paid by the debtor, it can be defaulted on, or it can be destroyed by inflation. The Fed is following the third way. The end result won't be pretty.

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» You are right about the 1920s, Posted by: Lloyd Drako
Let's follow Cuba-
Posted by: WitchyNy on Nov 10, 2007 10:09 AM   
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Castro simply threw ALL the Rich American Capitalists out of Cuba and cancelled all debt.

Sounds good to me. What this country needs is another American Revolution. When in the course of human events-it becomes NECESSARY.....

Today Cuba has free medical (as in SICKO) no one is homeless, everyone can read. They send their doctors all over the world to help where needed. They even take black medical students from the U.S. and teach them for FREE. College is FREE for their young people -hear that America!

If little tiny Cuba can do this-WE can do this!

Bush and his kind are dying dinosours. They know it-and they are mad. They would like to take the rest of the world with them. If they can't have their big cars, and be the big boss, and have endless Capitalism with its big trucks full of cheap crap going night and day on the endless freeways and bomber jets and steaks and booze and tobacco-then they don't want to live. Let's help them get to that heaven they say they believe in!
The sooner the better!

REVOLUTION NOW!

Are we mice or are we Men... and WOMEN???

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» RE: Let's follow Cuba-You First Posted by: BrianOfNairobi
» Easily riled... Posted by: BrianOfNairobi
» RE: asily riled... Posted by: MAD
» RE: asily riled... Posted by: MAD
» RE: asily riled... Posted by: BrianOfNairobi
» RE: Don't forget the USA embargo. Posted by: nightgaunt
» RE: Let's follow Cuba-You First Posted by: BrianOfNairobi
» WitchyNy is not "poor"... Posted by: mjabele
» Again..... Posted by: mjabele
» YOU are Posted by: aka_bozo
» RE: Let's follow Cuba-You First Posted by: BrianOfNairobi
» Of course... Posted by: mjabele
» RE: Of course... Posted by: Ale99
» RE: Let's follow Cuba- Posted by: Joe
Arghh. A pox on savers! (???why???)
Posted by: ABetterFuture on Nov 10, 2007 10:16 AM   
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These conditions created vast riches for one class of individuals in particular: those who control what is known as economic rent, which can be the income "earned" from the ownership of an asset.

Yes indeed. The problem is all these evil middle-class people who can do math and figure out that so-called "social security" won't be there for them, and are dumping their savings into IRA's, 401K's and other "rentier" vehicles of *BWHAHAHAH* !!!EVIL DOMINION!!!.

Don't they know they need to be out there spending patriotically, so that they have no choice later in life but to avail themselves of Congresscritters who will further shake down their kids to support a Ponzi scheme whose idiocy in inception is only matched by its idiocy in maintenance?

No go forth and charge something, else our kids might get the idea that they are entitled to a vacation.

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Solving debt
Posted by: Geonomist on Nov 10, 2007 11:05 AM   
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If complaining is to be at all useful, let it inspire action. Time to quit it and move on to solving problems. People need to grow up and realize not all their income can come from their labor, that there is a such thing as social surplus that can't be earned by working. Instead, it must be shared, much as Alaska shares some oil revenue. There are people working on a Citizens Dividend. Join us at progress.org.

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Debtor Nation America Sinking Fast
Posted by: sofla100 on Nov 10, 2007 11:41 AM   
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American policy when it comes to the dollar and debt is creating a "debtors crisis" for the USA as well. Despite public statements by Bush about "supporting a strong dollar," in order to keep the tax breaks in place for the rich and fund America's wars, the USA continues to sell billions of securities to foreign countries continuously adding to America's deficit. China owns approx. $1.4 trillion now in US dollar debt. Meanwhile, the dollar sinks in value to its lowest levels ever causing energy prices (oil is priced in US dollars) to skyrocket even more. On top of that, due to sub-prime problems, US banks and brokerages have written off billions as US equity markets collapse. When will Bush and his Republican buddies realize you cannot run wars, the national security state with a massive military build-up, and slash taxes for your rich buddies as well? Now, complain all you want about some poor working class stiffs over their head in credit card debt. America herself is way, way, over her head in debt and continuing to sink fast.

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Help for Addiction to Debt
Posted by: alona on Nov 10, 2007 12:46 PM   
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Debtors Anonymous offers help for those wishing to learn to live without unsecured debt.

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» RE: Help for Addiction to Debt Posted by: WitchyNy
Indeed, part of a deeper problem
Posted by: Ambrose Pare on Nov 10, 2007 12:59 PM   
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The author really hits the nail on the head, people are buying a lot of stuff they do not need.

Things have a way of correcting themselves, and when it happens the fat piggy American lifestyle is going to be a lot different. When I visited the US, I couldn't get over how fat they are. They pull up to there restaurants in HUGE SUV's, get there HUGE guts out, go in and eat a HUGE meal, then waddle back to there tank of a vehicle to go back to there HUGE houses.

While the world starves, pigs drive tanks.
Yeesh...

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» lot of stuff they do not need Posted by: aka_bozo
» controlled to varying degrees Posted by: aka_bozo
Sally
Posted by: sallyo on Nov 10, 2007 2:17 PM   
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There is a presidential candidate who has integrity, one who, if asked, would present a rational program for addressing the debt situation in the U.S., which I agree, should have very high priority. He is all but ignored during the debates, yet when called upon always gives the most well thought-out, non-sound-bite answers. He has vision. He is optimistic, he is unbowed by the competition. He had the guts to put forth a resolution to impeach VP Cheney, but has gotten little support, even from those in office who whine about the policies of the Bush administration. He is from Ohio. Let's get on the band wagon for Dennis Kucinich - never mind the warnings from those who say he can't get elected. They don't have vision. He, who supports banishing all nuclear weapons from the face of the earth, and establishing a Department of Peace, is a prophet in his own time. Are we mature enough to support such a candidate? I say yes. Let's have the guts to hop on the bandwagon of a courageous candidate, and in the words of the song, Give Peace a Chance. Let's quit whining and support a true winner.

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» Agreed, but ... Posted by: aka_bozo
Our leadership has failed us miserably ...
Posted by: mmckinl on Nov 10, 2007 2:21 PM   
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I'm tired of this round robin of blame.

The fact is our leadership has failed us. They promoted this comsumptive binge. They enabled the financial corruption. They hid the truth of the energy problem and actually promoted energy use. Time after time our 'leadership' has failed to promote the common good.

And by leadership who do I mean ?

The whole lot , over 30 years , the Presidents , the Congress and the Media. The complete and utter corruption of the political class and their criminal neglect of the plan for our future.

Yes one can point the finger to many , but the fact of the matter it was the failure of leadership that got us here.

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Will We Learn From Our Mistakes???
Posted by: Gravitas on Nov 10, 2007 4:32 PM   
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While I think this was an insightful article, I don't think beating our breasts is all that useful either. The period after WW2 was the first time the average person had the opportunity to get so many material things. It was really an unprecidented experiment. We screwed up. Now, will we learn from our mistakes and realize that consumerism is a trap that has the potential to devastate everything from our psyches to our planet? If so, it was a painful but valuable lesson! If not, well then we deserve what we get!

"Weight obsession is a social disease. If we cared more about CO2 than BMI there would still be time!"

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Here comes the 2nd Great Depression....
Posted by: eosrk on Nov 10, 2007 4:47 PM   
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....and they can't stop it!

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Legalize Bankruptcy
Posted by: PaulK on Nov 10, 2007 5:36 PM   
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If bankruptcy is completely legalized for the poor, then people can't throw a year's salary onto the wheel at Vegas. Young people become cash and carry. We can live with this policy better than we can live with perpetual debt and seizures.

If bankruptcy is legalized for one country versus another, then no dictator can borrow the next 20 years of the poor's sweat and blood. Again, cash and carry. It takes the profit out of being a tyrant.

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Econ 101
Posted by: dayenta on Nov 10, 2007 6:36 PM   
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Economics 101, the first day of class. Wealth cannot be created. It must be produced. When we sent our production overseas, we slipped the noose around our own necks. Not an officer of a big, rapacious corporation, you say? Well you voted in a majority of elected "representatives" who let the corporations run things, and you felt fine as long as you could just keep on shopping. THE PARTY'S OVER!!!

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Blame the victims
Posted by: YogiBear on Nov 10, 2007 7:35 PM   
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That's what we're doing here. I'm teetering on the brink of debt. What have I done differently than my parents? Put money down to buy a home, just like they did. Used extra money to pay off auto loans and other debts, just like they did. Only bought consumer goods when I had enough money to pay them off within a few months, just like they did.

Work 30 years at the same job where layoffs (which now happen just to save the CEO a buck) were rare and retirement and pensions were assured? Ah! Why didn't I think to do that!?

Even if consumer goods are bought more now, they are cheaper now. Some people buy themselves into ridiculous debt, that's true. But to claim most are doing it is to buy into the conservatives' claim that it's all our own fault.

Did my parents have $80,000 up front to buy a house? No. Did I have $150,000 up front? Of course not. I probably put down the same percentage of the overall payment and same percentage -- or more -- of my income as they did, but they didn't face the type of rampant downsizings we face today.

Sure, this generation wastes a little more money than their parents, but not enough to crash the whole system. Pinning this one on stupid buyers is scapegoating the system. The real question we need to be asking is -- in this day and age of such fiscal uncertainty, is it ever okay to borrow more than you have to make a purchase (for a car, house or whatever)? If the answer is no, then maybe the American dream is dead and we're just too much in shock to realize it.

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» Is Debt into a "right" too? Posted by: YogiBear
» RE: Blame the victims Posted by: GEM-592
My heart bleeds for the poor Americans
Posted by: dayahka on Nov 10, 2007 10:31 PM   
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What is happening here is a leveling of the world's economic system. Americans are bloated with abundance and could do with a little reduction in their living standard, so-called, without much being lost. On the other hand, it's good to see other peoples being able to enjoy the good life and develop their countries' economies. I'd say that a 50 to 75 reduction in the US wealth and so-called "standard" or level of living would do little harm; it's just that all the little narcissists (Americans, that is) would grumble and wail and rant for a while.

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America As Tony Soprano
Posted by: InsertNameHere on Nov 10, 2007 11:00 PM   
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When America is robust and powerful she thrusts her foreign policy might around the world and the rest of the world does her bidding, while cursing under their breath. What will happen when the rest of the world starts saying no to a desperate and broke America?

I think of the Tony Soprano character as an apt metaphor. He swaggers and demands his cut of everything, his friends laugh and drink with him, he has his way and so long as he is strong, he is boss. The very moment he shows weakness, the jackals are waiting. Tony Soprano knows this. Does America?

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