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Preparing for Life After Oil

By Michael T. Klare, The Nation. Posted November 8, 2007.


Welcome to the Age of Insuffiency: As oil prices hit new highs and supplies sink, our way of life will drastically change.
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This past May, in an unheralded and almost unnoticed move, the Energy Department signaled a fundamental, near epochal shift in US and indeed world history: we are nearing the end of the Petroleum Age and have entered the Age of Insufficiency. The department stopped talking about "oil" in its projections of future petroleum availability and began speaking of "liquids." The global output of "liquids," the department indicated, would rise from 84 million barrels of oil equivalent (mboe) per day in 2005 to a projected 117.7 mboe in 2030 -- barely enough to satisfy anticipated world demand of 117.6 mboe. Aside from suggesting the degree to which oil companies have ceased being mere suppliers of petroleum and are now purveyors of a wide variety of liquid products -- including synthetic fuels derived from natural gas, corn, coal and other substances -- this change hints at something more fundamental: we have entered a new era of intensified energy competition and growing reliance on the use of force to protect overseas sources of petroleum.



To appreciate the nature of the change, it is useful to probe a bit deeper into the Energy Department's curious terminology. "Liquids," the department explains in its International Energy Outlook for 2007, encompasses "conventional" petroleum as well as "unconventional" liquids -- notably tar sands (bitumen), oil shale, biofuels, coal-to-liquids and gas-to-liquids. Once a relatively insignificant component of the energy business, these fuels have come to assume much greater importance as the output of conventional petroleum has faltered. Indeed, the Energy Department projects that unconventional liquids production will jump from a mere 2.4 mboe per day in 2005 to 10.5 in 2030, a fourfold increase. But the real story is not the impressive growth in unconventional fuels but the stagnation in conventional oil output. Looked at from this perspective, it is hard to escape the conclusion that the switch from "oil" to "liquids" in the department's terminology is a not so subtle attempt to disguise the fact that worldwide oil production is at or near its peak capacity and that we can soon expect a downturn in the global availability of conventional petroleum.


Petroleum is, of course, a finite substance, and geologists have long warned of its ultimate disappearance. The extraction of oil, like that of other nonrenewable resources, will follow a parabolic curve over time. Production rises quickly at first and then gradually slows until approximately half the original supply has been exhausted; at that point, a peak in sustainable output is attained and production begins an irreversible decline until it becomes too expensive to lift what little remains. Most oil geologists believe we have already reached the midway point in the depletion of the world's original petroleum inheritance and so are nearing a peak in global output; the only real debate is over how close we have come to that point, with some experts claiming we are at the peak now and others saying it is still a few years or maybe a decade away.


Until very recently, Energy Department analysts were firmly in the camp of those wild-eyed optimists who claimed that peak oil was so far in the future that we didn't really need to give it much thought. Putting aside the science of the matter, the promulgation of such a rose-colored view obviated any need to advocate improvements in automobile fuel efficiency or to accelerate progress on the development of alternative fuels. Given White House priorities, it is hardly surprising that this view prevailed in Washington.


In just the past six months, however, the signs of an imminent peak in conventional oil production have become impossible even for conservative industry analysts to ignore. These have come from the take-no-prisoners world of oil pricing and deal-making, on the one hand, and the analysis of international energy experts, on the other.


Most dramatic, perhaps, has been the spectacular rise in oil prices. The price of light, sweet crude crossed the longstanding psychological barrier of $80 per barrel on the New York Mercantile Exchange for the first time in September, and has since risen to as high as $90. Many reasons have been cited for the rise in crude prices, including unrest in Nigeria's oil-producing Delta region, pipeline sabotage in Mexico, increased hurricane activity in the Gulf of Mexico and fears of Turkish attacks on Kurdish guerrilla sanctuaries in Iraq. But the underlying reality is that most oil-producing countries are pumping at maximum capacity and finding it increasingly difficult to boost production in the face of rising international demand.


Even a decision by the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) to boost production by 500,000 barrels per day failed to halt the upward momentum in prices. Concerned that an excessive rise in oil costs would trigger a worldwide recession and lower demand for their products, the OPEC countries agreed to increase their combined output at a meeting in Vienna on September 11. "We think that the market is a little bit high," explained Kuwait's acting oil minister, Mohammad al-Olaim. But the move did little to slow the rise in prices. Clearly, OPEC would have to undertake a much larger production increase to alter the market environment, and it is not at all clear that its members possess the capacity to do that -- now or in the future.


A warning sign of another sort was provided by Kazakhstan's August decision to suspend development of the giant Kashagan oil region in its sector of the Caspian Sea, first initiated by a consortium of Western firms in the late '90s. Kashagan was said to be the most promising oil project since the discovery of oil in Alaska's Prudhoe Bay in the late '60s. But the enterprise has encountered enormous technical problems and has yet to produce a barrel of oil. Frustrated by a failure to see any economic benefits from the project, the Kazakh government has cited environmental risks and cost overruns to justify suspending operations and demanding a greater say in the project.


Like the dramatic rise in oil prices, the Kashagan episode is an indication of the oil industry's growing difficulties in its efforts to boost production in the face of rising demand. "All the oil companies are struggling to grow production," Peter Hitchens of Teather & Greenwood brokerage told the Wall Street Journal in July. "It's becoming more and more difficult to bring projects in on time and on budget."





That this industry debilitation is not a temporary problem but symptomatic of a long-term trend was confirmed in two important studies published this past summer by conservative industry organizations.



The first of these was released July 9 by the International Energy Agency (IEA), an affiliate of the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, the club of major industrial powers. Titled Medium-Term Oil Market Report, it is a blunt assessment of the global supply-and-demand equation over the 2007-12 period. The news is not good.


Predicting that world economic activity will grow by an average of 4.5 percent per year during this period -- much of it driven by unbridled growth in China, India and the Middle East -- the report concludes that global oil demand will rise by 2.2 percent per year, pushing world oil consumption from approximately 86 million barrels per day in 2007 to 96 million in 2012. With luck and massive new investment, the oil industry will be able to increase output sufficiently to satisfy the higher level of demand anticipated for 2012 -- barely. Beyond that, however, there appears little likelihood that the industry will be able to sustain any increase in demand. "Oil look[s] extremely tight in five years' time," the agency declared.


Underlying the report's general conclusion are a number of specific concerns. Most notably, it points to a worrisome decline in the yield of older fields in non-OPEC countries and a corresponding need for increased output from the OPEC countries, most of which are located in conflict-prone areas of the Middle East and Africa. The numbers involved are staggering. At first blush, it would seem that the need for an extra 10 million barrels per day between now and 2012 would translate into an added 2 million barrels per day in each of the next five years -- a conceivably attainable goal. But that doesn't take into account the decline of older fields. According to the report, the world actually needs an extra 5 million: 3 million to make up for the decline in older fields plus the 2 million in added requirements. This is a daunting and possibly insurmountable challenge, especially when one considers that almost all of the additional petroleum will have to come from Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Algeria, Angola, Libya, Nigeria, Sudan, Kazakhstan and Venezuela -- countries that do not inspire the sort of investor confidence that will be needed to pour hundreds of billions of dollars into new drilling rigs, pipelines and other essential infrastructure.


Similar causes for anxiety can be found in the second major study released last summer, Facing the Hard Truths About Energy, prepared by the National Petroleum Council, a major industry organization. Because it supposedly provided a "balanced" view of the nation's energy dilemma, the NPC report was widely praised on Capitol Hill and in the media; adding to its luster was the identity of its chief author, former ExxonMobil CEO Lee Raymond.


Like the IEA report, the NPC study starts with the claim that, with the right mix of policies and higher investment, the industry is capable of satisfying US and international oil and natural gas demand. "Fortunately, the world is not running out of energy resources," the report bravely asserts. But obstacles to the development and delivery of these resources abound, so prudent policies and practices are urgently required. Although "there is no single, easy solution to the multiple challenges we face," the authors conclude, they are "confident that the prompt adoption of these strategies" will allow the United States to satisfy its long-term energy needs.


Read further into the report, however, and serious doubts emerge. Here again, worries arise from the growing difficulties of extracting oil and gas from less-favorable locations and the geopolitical risks associated with increased reliance on unfriendly and unstable suppliers. According to the NPC (using data acquired from the IEA), an estimated $20 trillion in new infrastructure will be needed over the next twenty-five years to ensure that sufficient energy is available to satisfy anticipated worldwide demand.


The report then states the obvious: "A stable and attractive investment climate will be necessary to attract adequate capital for evolution and expansion of the energy infrastructure." This is where any astute observer should begin to get truly alarmed, for, as the study notes, no such climate can be expected. As the center of gravity of world oil production shifts decisively to OPEC suppliers and state-centric energy producers like Russia, geopolitical rather than market factors will come to dominate the marketplace.


"These shifts pose profound implications for U.S. interests, strategies, and policy-making," the NPC report states. "Many of the expected changes could heighten risks to U.S. energy security in a world where U.S. influence is likely to decline as economic power shifts to other nations. In years to come, security threats to the world's main sources of oil and natural gas may worsen."


The implications are obvious: major investors are not likely to cough up the trillions of dollars needed to substantially boost production in the years ahead, suggesting that the global output of conventional petroleum will not reach the elevated levels predicted by the Energy Department but will soon begin an irreversible decline.


This conclusion leads to two obvious strategic impulses: first, the government will seek to ease the qualms of major energy investors by promising to protect their overseas investments through the deployment of American military forces; and second, the industry will seek to hedge its bets by shifting an ever-increasing share of its investment funds into the development of nonpetroleum liquids.






The New 'Washington Consensus'



The need for a vigorous US military role in protecting energy assets abroad has been a major theme in American foreign policy since 1945, when President Roosevelt met with King Abdul Aziz of Saudi Arabia and promised to protect the kingdom in return for privileged access to Saudi oil.


In the most famous expression of this linkage, President Carter affirmed in January 1980 that the unimpeded flow of Persian Gulf oil is among this country's vital interests and that to protect this interest, the United States will employ "any means necessary, including military force." This principle was later cited by President Reagan as the rationale for "reflagging" Kuwaiti oil tankers with the American ensign during the Iran-Iraq War of 1980-88 and protecting them with US warships -- a stance that led to sporadic clashes with Iran. The same principle was subsequently invoked by George H.W. Bush as a justification for the Gulf War of 1991.


In considering these past events, it is important to recognize that the use of military force to protect the flow of imported petroleum has generally enjoyed broad bipartisan support in Washington. Initially, this bipartisan outlook was largely focused on the Persian Gulf area, but since 1990, it has been extended to other areas as well. President Clinton eagerly pursued close military ties with the Caspian Sea oil states of Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan after the breakup of the USSR in 1991, while George W. Bush has avidly sought an increased US military presence in Africa's oil-producing regions, going so far as to favor the establishment of a US Africa Command (Africom) in February.


One might imagine that the current debacle in Iraq would shake this consensus, but there is no evidence that this is so. In fact, the opposite appears to be the case: possibly fearful that the chaos in Iraq will spread to other countries in the Gulf region, senior figures in both parties are calling for a reinvigorated US military role in the protection of foreign energy deliveries.


Perhaps the most explicit expression of this elite consensus is an independent task force report, National Security Consequences of U.S. Oil Dependency, backed by many prominent Democrats and Republicans. It was released by the bipartisan Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), co-chaired by John Deutch, deputy secretary of defense in the Clinton Administration, and James Schlesinger, defense secretary in the Nixon and Ford administrations, in October 2006. The report warns of mounting perils to the safe flow of foreign oil. Concluding that the United States alone has the capacity to protect the global oil trade against the threat of violent obstruction, it argues the need for a strong US military presence in key producing areas and in the sea lanes that carry foreign oil to American shores.


An awareness of this new "Washington consensus" on the need to protect overseas oil supplies with American troops helps explain many recent developments in Washington. Most significant, it illuminates the strategic stance adopted by President Bush in justifying his determination to retain a potent US force in Iraq -- and why the Democrats have found it so difficult to contest that stance.


Consider Bush's September 13 prime-time speech on Iraq. "If we were to be driven out of Iraq," he prophesied, "extremists of all strains would be emboldened.... Iran would benefit from the chaos and would be encouraged in its efforts to gain nuclear weapons and dominate the region. Extremists could control a key part of the global energy supply." And then came the kicker: "Whatever political party you belong to, whatever your position on Iraq, we should be able to agree that America has a vital interest in preventing chaos and providing hope in the Middle East." In other words, Iraq is no longer about democracy or WMDs or terrorism but about maintaining regional stability to ensure the safe flow of petroleum and keep the American economy on an even keel; it was almost as if he was speaking to the bipartisan crowd that backed the CFR report cited above.



It is very clear that the Democrats, or at least mainstream Democrats, are finding it exceedingly difficult to contest this argument head-on. In March, for example, Senator Hillary Clinton told the New York Times that Iraq is "right in the heart of the oil region" and so "it is directly in opposition to our interests" for it to become a failed state or a pawn of Iran. This means, she continued, that it will be necessary to keep some US troops in Iraq indefinitely, to provide logistical and training support to the Iraqi military. Senator Barack Obama has also spoken of the need to maintain a robust US military presence in Iraq and the surrounding area. Thus, while calling for the withdrawal of most US combat brigades from Iraq proper, he has championed an "over-the-horizon force that could prevent chaos in the wider region."


Given this perspective, it is very hard for mainstream Democrats to challenge Bush when he says that an "enduring" US military presence is needed in Iraq or to change the Administration's current policy, barring a major military setback or some other unforeseen event. By the same token, it will be hard for the Democrats to avert a US attack on Iran if this can be portrayed as a necessary move to prevent Tehran from threatening the long-term safety of Persian Gulf oil supplies.


Nor can we anticipate a dramatic change in US policy in the Gulf region from the next administration, whether Democratic or Republican. If anything, we should expect an increase in the use of military force to protect the overseas flow of oil, as the threat level rises along with the need for new investment to avert even further reductions in global supplies.






The Rush to Alternative Liquids



Although determined to keep expanding the supply of conventional petroleum for as long as possible, government and industry officials are aware that at some point these efforts will prove increasingly ineffective. They also know that public pressure to reduce carbon dioxide emissions -- thus slowing the accumulation of climate-changing greenhouse gases -- and to avoid exposure to conflict in the Middle East is sure to increase in the years ahead. Accordingly, they are placing greater emphasis on the development of oil alternatives that can be procured at home or in neighboring Canada.


The new emphasis was first given national attention in Bush's latest State of the Union address. Stressing energy independence and the need to modernize fuel economy standards, he announced an ambitious plan to increase domestic production of ethanol and other biofuels. The Administration appears to favor several types of petroleum alternatives: ethanol derived from corn stover, switch grass and other nonfood crops (cellulosic ethanol); diesel derived largely from soybeans (biodiesel); and liquids derived from coal (coal-to-liquids), natural gas (gas-to-liquids) and oil shale. All of these methods are being tested in university laboratories and small-scale facilities, and will be applied in larger, commercial-sized ventures in coming years with support from various government agencies.


In February, for example, the Energy Department announced grants totaling $385 million for the construction of six pilot plants to manufacture cellulosic ethanol; when completed in 2012, these "biorefineries" will produce more than 130 million gallons of cellulosic ethanol per year. (The United States already produces large quantities of ethanol by cooking and fermenting corn kernels, a process that consumes vast amounts of energy and squanders a valuable food crop while supplanting only a small share of our petroleum usage; the proposed cellulosic plants would use nonfood biomass as a feedstock and consume far less energy.)


Just as eager to develop petroleum alternatives are the large energy companies, all of which have set up laboratories or divisions to explore future energy options. BP has been especially aggressive; in 2005 it established BP Alternative Energy and set aside $8 billion for this purpose. This past February the new spinoff announced a $500 million grant -- possibly the largest of its kind in history -- to the University of California, Berkeley, the University of Illinois and Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory to establish an Energy Biosciences Institute with the aim of developing biofuels. BP said the institute "is expected to explore the application of bioscience [to] the production of new and cleaner energy, principally fuels for road transport."


Just about every large oil company is placing a heavy bet on Canadian tar sands -- a gooey substance found in Canada's Alberta province that can be converted into synthetic petroleum -- but only with enormous effort and expense. According to the Energy Department, Canadian bitumen production will rise from 1.1 mboe in 2005 to 3.6 mboe in 2030, an increase that is largely expected to be routed to the United States. Hoping to cash in on this bonanza, giant US corporations like Chevron are racing to buy up leases in the bitumen fields of northern Alberta.



But while attractive from a geopolitical perspective, extracting Canadian tar sands is environmentally destructive. It takes vast quantities of energy to recover the bitumen and convert it into a usable liquid, releasing three times as much greenhouse gases as conventional oil production; the resulting process leaves toxic water supplies and empty moonscapes in its wake. Although rarely covered in the US press, opposition in Canada to the environmental damage wreaked by these mammoth operations is growing.


Environmental factors loom large in yet another potential source of liquids being pursued by US energy firms, with strong government support: shale oil, or petroleum liquids pried from immature rock found in the Green River basin of western Colorado, eastern Utah and southern Wyoming. Government geologists claim that shale rock in the United States holds the equivalent of 2.1 trillion barrels of oil -- the same as the original world supply of conventional petroleum. However, the only way to recover this alleged treasure is to strip-mine a vast wilderness area and heat the rock to 500 degrees Celsius, creating mountains of waste material in the process. Here too, opposition is growing to this massively destructive assault on the environment. Nevertheless, Shell Oil has established a pilot plant in Rio Blanco County in western Colorado with strong support from the Bush Administration.


Life After the Peak


And so we have a portrait of the global energy situation after the peak of conventional petroleum, with troops being rushed from one oil-producing hot spot to another and a growing share of our transportation fuel being supplied by nonpetroleum liquids of one sort or another. Exactly what form this future energy equation will take cannot be foreseen with precision, but it is obvious that the arduous process will shape American policy debates, domestic and foreign, for a long time.



As this brief assessment suggests, the passing of peak oil will have profound and lasting consequences for this country, with no easy solutions. In facing this future, we must, above all, disavow any simple answers, such as energy "independence" based on the pillage of America's remaining wilderness areas or the false promise of corn-based ethanol (which can supply only a tiny fraction of our transportation requirements). It is clear, moreover, that many of the fuel alternatives proposed by the Bush Administration pose significant dangers of their own and so should be examined carefully before vast public sums are committed to their development. The safest and most morally defensible course is to repudiate any "consensus" calling for the use of force to protect overseas petroleum supplies and to strive to conserve what remains of the world's oil by using less of it.

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Michael T. Klare is a professor of peace and world security studies at Hampshire College in Amherst, Mass., and the author of Blood and Oil: The Dangers and Consequences of America's Growing Petroleum Dependency.

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Shale oil
Posted by: Lector on Nov 8, 2007 12:43 AM   
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A lot of people have heard this before but America is sitting on over half the world’s shale oil reserves. It would seem that America’s peak oil problem should be attacked by exploring its own back yard, and not by attacking other countries to get oil. Although the extraction process is expensive and involves some risk, the potential to pull 1.7 trillion barrels out of the ground is there. America is wasting billions of taxpayer's money on wars in the Middle East America. Some of that money should go into in oil exploration instead.

Some energy consultants in Colorado deride this solution but they may be ignoring the possibility of a huge government collaborative effort where the technology can be developed. America will have come to a point where it will have no other choice. Establishing hegemonies and involving itself in wars all over the globe may not be America’s wisest alternative.

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Prepare Your Household Now
Posted by: Kafwood on Nov 8, 2007 2:09 AM   
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There will be no techno fix or discovery of new fuel sources that can remedy the realities of peak oil. In fact, it's not just oil that's peaking many other natural resources are as well, including uranium.

Energy descent has begun. The era of easy to retrieve and inexpensive oil (energy) is behind us. As you learn more about it, do the research, you come to appreciate oil for the gift (however imperfectly we spent it) that it was to our species. Read Richard Heinberg and Joseph Tainter.

It's important for us to use the time and resources still at our disposal wisely and not waste more of them in denial, distraction and avoidance. Prepare your household, prepare your community.

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What about Abiotic Oil theory?
Posted by: higginslads on Nov 8, 2007 2:33 AM   
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Are we so arrogant and fixed in our ideas that we'll ignore an entire culture's theory of oil formation, one that they've been using for over half a century to extract resources?

"The Peak Oil school rests its theory on conventional Western geology textbooks, most by American or British geologists, which claim oil is a ‘fossil fuel,’ a biological residue or detritus of either fossilized dinosaur remains or perhaps algae, hence a product in finite supply. Biological origin is central to Peak Oil theory, used to explain why oil is only found in certain parts of the world where it was geologically trapped millions of years ago. That would mean that, say, dead dinosaur remains became compressed and over tens of millions of years fossilized and trapped in underground reservoirs perhaps 4-6,000 feet below the surface of the earth. In rare cases, so goes the theory, huge amounts of biological matter should have been trapped in rock formations in the shallower ocean offshore as in the Gulf of Mexico or North Sea or Gulf of Guinea. Geology should be only about figuring out where these pockets in the layers of the earth , called reservoirs, lie within certain sedimentary basins.

An entirely alternative theory of oil formation has existed since the early 1950’s in Russia, almost unknown to the West. It claims conventional American biological origins theory is an unscientific absurdity that is un-provable. They point to the fact that western geologists have repeatedly predicted finite oil over the past century, only to then find more, lots more.

Not only has this alternative explanation of the origins of oil and gas existed in theory. The emergence of Russia and prior of the USSR as the world’s largest oil producer and natural gas producer has been based on the application of the theory in practice. This has geopolitical consequences of staggering magnitude."


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What Makes Sense to You?
Posted by: higginslads on Nov 8, 2007 2:38 AM   
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More on Abiotic Oil theory:

"Dr. J. F. Kenney is one of the only few Western geophysicists who has taught and worked in Russia, studying under Vladilen Krayushkin, who developed the huge Dnieper-Donets Basin. Kenney told me in a recent interview that “alone to have produced the amount of oil to date that (Saudi Arabia’s) Ghawar field has produced would have required a cube of fossilized dinosaur detritus, assuming 100% conversion efficiency, measuring 19 miles deep, wide and high.” In short, an absurdity.

Western geologists do not bother to offer hard scientific proof of fossil origins. They merely assert as a holy truth. The Russians have produced volumes of scientific papers, most in Russian. The dominant Western journals have no interest in publishing such a revolutionary view. Careers, entire academic professions are at stake after all.

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Reagan was an idiot
Posted by: drblack on Nov 8, 2007 3:09 AM   
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Reagan will be remembered as one of the worst Presidents along with Bush2 because he could have and should have delt with the looming energy problem.
Instead he tore the solar panels off the White House roof that Carter had put there.
I was in elementary school when the oil embargo of the 70s happened and even as a child I KNEW that we must start developing new ways to create energy.
Carter gets a bad rap: if he had been elected instead of Reagan we would be well on our way, if not already using clean,locally generated power for all our energy needs.
We need a better battery...that will solve the whole problem. There is plenty of energy all around us.

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FInally, The Truth Comes Out
Posted by: BlackbirdHighway on Nov 8, 2007 3:18 AM   
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Latest news article from Arab News:
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LEGALIZE CANNABIS!!!
Posted by: guerillaTHOUGHTterrorist on Nov 8, 2007 3:23 AM   
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"Make the most of the Indian hemp seed,
and sow it everywhere!" -- George Washington

Let's finally realize the true vision that the founding fathers had for our great social experiment. If the US dedicated just 6% of available land to the cultivation of the hemp plant, we would be energy independent from the rest of the world. It is the only feasible approach to creating biodiesel and biomass because the net-energy is positive...unlike the traditional sources we use today such as corn and soy. It takes more energy to produce and convert these crops, than is actually created...unlike hemp. Oil companies are just clutching at straws, trying to save their own image by tricking the public into believing that they are making a difference.
Legalization would lead to a positive environmental impact beyond this as well. Forests would remain intact and be given a chance to grow because hemp can be used to make paper. Hemp can be converted into biodegradable plastics. Hemp fuel "disasters" benefit the spill sites by providing fertilizer. And I would go on, but there are far too many other uses for both hemp and its cousin cannabis to list, and I need to sleep, and there are many websites that do more justice to the miracle plant than I can ever accomplish. I don't intend on shoving my own beliefs down on anyone either...that's the government's job, not mine.

hemp4fuel
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The Kinsale Energy Descent Action Plan
Posted by: BlackbirdHighway on Nov 8, 2007 3:27 AM   
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The is very good reading, in that instead of just sounding the alarm, or offering only marginally useful ideas (change your light bulbs), it provides a comprehesive plan. The plan may not work for everyone, but at least it's a plan:

Kinsdale Action Plan

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Who cares where it came from if we are running out of it?
Posted by: KeepsonTickn on Nov 8, 2007 5:28 AM   
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I love this. Your "expert" talks of dinosaur detritus, indicating a total lack of knowledge of the theory he attempts to debunk. Theory of oil's origins are irrelevant though. Since the major oil discoverys in the twentieth century, we have to drill deeper and deeper to get oil. Do you expect this situation to get better or worse?

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Lots of oil in ANWR
Posted by: mindportal1 on Nov 8, 2007 6:33 AM   
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Let's see, for argument purposes. ANWR consists of about 2 million acres, and drilling there would affect less than 2,000. In other rural areas where drilling has occured, the native animals have not been the least bit affected. In other words the caribou won't give a damn. On another note, the people of Alaska want the drilliing for oil there.
Seems like a no-brainer here folks. What's the holdup?

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We really must have a global population agenda
Posted by: veggiegrrrl on Nov 8, 2007 6:45 AM   
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We really must have a global population agenda- zero, one or two kids per family "for the planet...for the future." Y no mas.

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» You can't be serious Posted by: LeeAnnG
Before "giving up" everything, Klare would be better off
Posted by: maxpayne on Nov 8, 2007 7:34 AM   
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discussing the benefits of solar, wind, hemp, geothermal, and tidal energy sources first and foremost. Maybe if he'd get out of his luxurious mansion and stop Big Oil from stifling development on these alternative renewables, he'd start making any sense.

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Nobody else said it this time, so I will
Posted by: willymack on Nov 8, 2007 7:35 AM   
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It seems most of us haven't progressed beyond the concept of burning some substance or other for most of our energy needs. Aside of being the most INEFFICIENT way to derive energy, because using heat to produce mechanical or electrical energy is an uphill battle since heat is the lowest form of energy (Newton's Law of Thermodynamics), burning stuff produces vast amounts of carbon dioxide and other pollutants. More of the same can't be good for anyone. More efficient electrical motors, batteries, conservation efforts, and the attainment of that holy grail, room temperature superconductance should be sought after with the most concentrated effort possible, and to hell with the "energy" companies;those greedy bastards have had it their way for too long. Just look at the mess they've created in Iraq, for instance.

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» I totally agree Posted by: wheresarah
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Abiotic Oil is Goofy and Here's Why
Posted by: Cherenkovrad on Nov 8, 2007 8:36 AM   
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Nothing sells like snake oil.

I understand that there is an abiotic source for snake oil and that it keeps refilling the reservoir of human credulity year after year after year.

Little thought experiment here people:

Suppose there was an abiotic source for oil. Okay. That oil must be forming over what time frame? If it is fast enough to matter for us, then that means it will be producing 85 million barrels of oil a day, at least, given our growth. So, if it has been producing that amount day after day since the beginning of time, we should literally be swimming in oceans of oil. In fact, the planet should only be made of oil. Since that is not the case, then there must be stasis. That means that as much oil as is being created abiotically has to be destroyed day over day abiotically, in which case, we will still run out as we will be using more than the planet produces.

The final scenario would be that the planet produces abiotic oil on a really slow time scale. Which means that we are right back to where we started with oil being produced on a very long time scale through algae mats, meaning of course that we will need hundreds of millions of years before we see replacement oil.

See? Not that hard to debunk dumb theory, is it?

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NO Surprise-the conversion begins
Posted by: justic2776 on Nov 8, 2007 9:05 AM   
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So here is the Headline Panic!!
Now before everyone goes leaping off buildings, setting up bomb shelters, stocks piling rice, and telling their landlords to stuff themselves let me remind you that the public is always the last to know.
Europe has been publicly preparing for this since 1998!! , converting their economys infrastructure to hydrogen and bio-fuel technology.
Washington department of energy has released an article in Dec 2006 that we are following suit and infrastructure conversion is projected by 2020. The federal government alone is currentlying investing I think in the billions in hydrogen and bio-fuel research! As a matter of fact I read an article a few months ago that the federal govenments industrial transportation vehicles have already made the conversion. The EPA has just recently expanded its fertilizer guidelines to not only include animal manure but also human waste compost, for those not aware, most commercial fertilizers are petroleum based. I really don't see this is a bad thing. I was reading a washington research report on the transformation of politcal philosophy to change the nature of the economy from the current capitalist greed based growth to something close to Paul Hawkens "Ecology of Commerce", including the Gaia Theory. So the view is not all that bad to me. We are seeing a transformation of values, vision, science, organization, and life. Yes its the end of the oil era but, it is making way for something far more superior, out with the old and in with the new.
The public sector will go through a brief period, 10-20 years, of strict conservation, opening up when conversion is complete. Recession, depression, yes, get your pinch-a-penny budgets in plan but, don't go selling the farm.

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Physical restructuring of city layouts = much less oil usage
Posted by: alleybear on Nov 8, 2007 9:42 AM   
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Another avenue of recourse would be to have new designs for city planning. Designs that would drastically shorten the distance one must travel to feed oneself and earn a living.

Most cities should include in their planning a nearby "agricultural belt" where crops could be grown and would not need to be shipped hundreds or thousands of miles to be consumed.

Bedroom communities should be abolished. No structures should be built in a region that demands you have to get in an automobile to go to work or buy something from the store.

With the exception of industrial processes that generate large amounts of noise and/or dirt, all communities should design places of "mixed use" that include residential, shopping and work places all within a few miles radius (few miles defined as a distance that can be reasonably bicycled/walked in the course of your daily activities).

In summary, design that makes it unecessary to have to drive an automobile to carry out your normal daily activities.

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a-biotic oil
Posted by: sre on Nov 8, 2007 9:56 AM   
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The origin of oil is immaterial. The relevant question is: How fast are we using it? I agree that oil could possibly have an a-biotic origin, just as the ores of metal do, but, they, too, are in limited supply. These ores are not being formed today. We use them up, too.
So the origin of our oil supply is really irrelevant. It's how much is left that we're concerned with.

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» RE: a-biotic oil Posted by: higginslads
"Preparing for life after oil"
Posted by: wheresarah on Nov 8, 2007 10:13 AM   
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I appreciate this article, but I expected to actually read something about preparing for life after oil, since that's the title and all!

It's more like, "the end of oil is coming, and here's why."

Thanks to the commenters for the links they provided relating to this topic... now can Alternet actually publish an article that dives into the title of this article??

We as a country need it thrown in our faces - what life will be like when the oil runs out - and what alternatives we have in hopes of preventing a total shutdown.

Think The Long Emergency, as published in Rolling Stone some time ago.

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» RE: "Preparing for life after oil" Posted by: daveparker01
Cut the demand
Posted by: Ambrose Pare on Nov 8, 2007 10:14 AM   
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There simply isn't enough resources, at current consumption rates, for the entire population of the planet. Its like a giant pie, the more people, the smaller the slices we each get.

I've read there is a group of ultra wealthy people who run this country, and they are big supporters of the idea of reducing the population of this planet, big time. And now many scientists are supporting the idea.

Maybe 7 Billion people is too much, the scientists say 500 million is optimal. I don't think the 6.5 Billion people set to die are going to support the idea. This oil crunch is going to hit hard, and people may be pissed off enough to support the idea.

Any thoughts?

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Why I'm not scared of peak oil By Marco Part I
Posted by: maxpayne on Nov 8, 2007 10:20 AM   
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http://www.marco.org/165

Every morning, I wake up and turn off the air conditioner, fan, or humidifier (depending on the season) that has been running all night. Sometimes I'll leave it on all day, too, so my apartment will be comfortable when I arrive home from work almost 10 hours later.

I walk past my three computers, which run 24 hours a day for my convenience, even though most of their time is spent completely idle. My DVR also stays on constantly so it can record many hours per day of South Park, Modern Marvels, and cop shows, of which I'll probably only watch 1 in 5 before they get deleted to make room for more.

While I don't drive to work, I'm in the minority. As I walk, city buses struggle through the thick traffic, often holding fewer than 10 passengers.

Soon, I arrive at work. Every computer in the office has been running all night so my coworkers don't need to log in and reopen all of their programs every morning.

Our office, like most modern office buildings, has windows that don't open. We've completely sealed ourselves off from the outside air. A heavy-duty HVAC system consumes most of the ceiling space and fills the office with the sounds of a subway tunnel. Even on the nicest days, when the temperature outside is perfectly comfortable, this HVAC system expends millions of BTUs to force the inside air to be a similar temperature. On the hottest days of the summer, the air conditioning cooled the office so strongly that many of us brought pants and sweaters to wear inside.

The windows are so large that during some morning hours, the sun shines in and produces glare on the computer monitors that face the windows. We installed massive blinds to combat this annoyance, but we usually forget to raise them after the problematic hours, so they stay closed for the entire day. To offset the forced lack of sunlight, our office is lit by hundreds of incandescent floodlight bulbs. Despite their extraordinarily wasteful energy consumption, we chose them over efficient fluorescent bulbs because they're more stylish.

Our salesmen, like most salesmen around the world, frequently fly across hundreds or thousands of miles simply to attend a 2-hour meeting then fly home. Such "business travel" represents a large portion of all domestic air travel. They can do this, instead of simply attending a conference call or videoconference, because the airfare is only a tiny fraction of the potential profitability of the deal.

After work, I often stop at the grocery store. It's the worst grocery store I've ever needed to patronize on a regular basis, but it still has most types of fruit, vegetables, meat, dairy, and grain products from across the world in every season of the year. I spend more for cellular phone, internet, and satellite TV services than I spend on food. Even if I had to cut my food expenses, I could just buy more of the cheap essentials instead of eating at restaurants so often. In the middle of January, I can buy 10 pounds of bananas that weren't grown on this continent with less money than I spent on lunch that day.

If I really needed a car, I could buy one within an afternoon. I could get a safe, efficient, reliable 4-door car with lots of perks and luxuries for monthly payments of less than a quarter of an average middle-class income - including insurance and enough gas to drive 1000 miles.

What does all of this have to do with peak oil?

I won't point fingers, but some people provide very convincing arguments that the peak and decline of global oil production is going to bring about the collapse of American society, starving most of our population and bringing forth a dark age that will last hundreds or thousands of years.

Spooky, isn't it?

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Why I'm not scared of peak oil By Marco Part II
Posted by: maxpayne on Nov 8, 2007 10:20 AM   
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The fundamental flaw in this argument is the assumption that our current energy use as a society cannot decrease, and that a minor change in energy prices will destroy our entire civilization.

Regardless of when it occurs, peak oil will only cause decreases of a few percent per year, at worst. If this happens, a lot of people will make a lot of noise, but fundamentally, we'll be fine. We won't starve to death if food becomes more expensive - we'll just be more conscious of what we eat, and maybe switch to a cheaper cable TV plan. We won't die if gas prices go up - we'll just stop buying huge SUVs and driving them on five unnecessary 1-mile trips every day.

As illustrated above, we have a lot of room for energy savings. We waste energy as much as we do because it's so cheap.

Eventually, we'll need to severely decrease our oil usage. But we'll have a long time to do it, and it'll happen gradually.

Maybe the "collapse of society" will force office buildings to install windows that can open to let in fresh air and sunlight for free. Maybe business people will stop flying around constantly in an age where we can transmit live, high-resolution video across the world using commodity hardware. Maybe we'll have to endure 80-degree houses in the summer. Maybe the simplest products won't be able to keep all 6 layers of plastic packaging. Or maybe we'll have to turn our computers off at night and wait an extra 45 seconds in the morning for them to start.

How awful.

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» I agree with you. Posted by: aka_bozo
And here's the link...
Posted by: wheresarah on Nov 8, 2007 10:24 AM   
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The Long Emergency

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» Excellent article Posted by: thistleblower
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I totally agree...
Posted by: greenman on Nov 8, 2007 10:28 AM   
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Imagine (were it possible, feasible, practical or made a shred of sense - which it doesn't), that a trillion barrels or so of oil could be extracted from oil shale. Used as fuel, the resulting CO2 would guarantee that the planet would be doomed. We should be thankful that the oil in oil shale is safely sequestered, and will not contribute to global warming.

If personal transportation [autos] can survive in an age of oil scarcity, the vehicles will have to be electric and powered by Solar PV, using advanced batteries and overnight recharge. The internal combustion engine has got to go.

Greenman

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» It cannot be done--period. Posted by: crazy carlos
Reads like a War On Terror to do list
Posted by: thistleblower on Nov 8, 2007 10:37 AM   
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"almost all of the additional petroleum will have to come from Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Algeria, Angola, Libya, Nigeria, Sudan, Kazakhstan and Venezuela"

Doesn't it?

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» Bingo!! Posted by: pig
Things Try To Remain the Same... Inertia.
Posted by: Marshalldoc on Nov 8, 2007 11:02 AM   
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First off, I think this was a great article and I thank Michael Klare for having written it.

That said, I find the title slightly misleading in that it appears to offer one of those 'glimpse of life in the future' scenarios when, in reality, what it describes are those forces at play acting to maintain status quo (in terms of Western life-styles) while the fundamental ingredient of that life-style, oil, is disappearing.

The insight provided by the article is that, no matter which party is in power, the U.S. (and its allies) will continue an aggressive, imperialistic, militaristic hunt for exploitable energy sources around the world and attempt to co-opt them in an attempt to maintain the average American's & European's standard of living. Thus, we are condemned to 'the long war' which, clearly, is not to be fought against terrorism but against those resisting the domination of their natural resources by a foreign power.

Similarly, maintenance the current standard of living will ultimately result in the exploitation of our own natural resources (which Mr. Klare also discusses) regardless of the detriment to our own environment. This is already well-established national policy... to wit: Mountaintop Removal Coal Mining and the wholesale conversion of our food production capabilities to liquid fuel production. This will be pursued, as government policy, despite the problems engendered by the global warming it will enhance.

The only recourse and cure for these interlocking and mutually reinforcing problems is a fundamental rethinking of what constitutes an acceptable standard of living for those of us who constitute the world's privileged population. It will be necessary to accept the end of all greenhouse gas producing technologies as an energy source for any but the most absolutely indispensable of society's functions (fuel for hospital's emergency generators for instance). All others will either have to find renewable, non-polluting, energy sources or be abandoned. In being able to achieve that goal we will, with a single stroke, remedy the issues of Peak Oil, Global Warming, and U.S. international imperialism.

The question, of course, is whether such a fundamental transformation of American values is even possible.

Despite

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Sustainable living
Posted by: SOWILO on Nov 8, 2007 11:05 AM   
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We need to invest our energy into sustainable, clean communities. Having moved to Los Angeles, I see the absurdity of having to drive three miles in every direction, spending sometimes hours on end to get basic necessities. It is possible to reorganize our infrastructure. We just have to curb population growth and consumption. Not easy, but possible.

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The only way to get out of this mess
Posted by: Chloe2005 on Nov 8, 2007 11:42 AM   
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is to drive, drive, drive! Use up the oil as fast as possible! We don't seem to do anything in the country until the last possible moment. You know the oil companies and large utilities will not go away. They only care about their profits. (Have you noticed that oil company profits have not gone down, only up, even with the price of oil?) The oil companies and the utilities will be in the forefront of the next energy breakthrough, but only after they have rung out every penny of profit in oil.

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Shame on Alternet.
Posted by: WitchyNy on Nov 8, 2007 12:21 PM   
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There is a great article on kos (www.dailykos.com) today about the Dennis K's inpeachment of Cheney before Congress yesterday- and the shameful sell out by the Democrats-with something like 800 comments so far.

Symbolic or not-this should have been Alternets lead story yesterday. This is no time to be a 'good German". The Democrats are selling us out. Why? We need the world to know we do not support Bush and Cheney's government.

There is also a great article on the Hollwood writers strike by Alec Baldwin, and why it is important to all of us. A revolution needs it artists!

We already know about the oil problem Alternet. Get a goat, get a bike or a horse, get a woodstove, get a gun, and impeach Cheney!

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» i was wondering the same thing! Posted by: thistleblower
» RE: Shame on ALL Medias Posted by: common intelligence
Get off the blogs and start screaming in public off line!
Posted by: common intelligence on Nov 8, 2007 4:56 PM   
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The media is keeping the masses passified.

None of them said a thing. About HR333
Impeach Cheney bill that got shrugged off to the judiciary Committee

It's as if we are deliberately being channeled into a nation of denial and obscurvation.

Duh! of course we are.

The masses of lemmings and sheeple stick to non confrontation, non concern when it comes to talking with each other. I mean, who wants to be know as the doom and gloom one coming down the street, "he's so negitive".
The issues we face as a society are all encompassing and will affect us all. Yet these "optimistic", horse blinded ones are going to drag those of us into their abyss as the ship sinks ever so lower.

Unless people unite to overcome the propaganda and educate the sheeple into action we are doomed.

That means get off the blog, reiterating what we already know and get out and scream at the top of your lungs over the sound of the commuter traffic.

Bring this whole damn thing to an abrupt halt and change it's direction.

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» RE: Duh! People/sheeple, got your attention! Posted by: common intelligence
» I agree. Posted by: pig
The wind is strong and the kindling is dry, the only thing needed is for lighting to strike.
Posted by: Missing Piece on Nov 8, 2007 6:19 PM   
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A false flag to herd the sheep and distract them from the real threat.

The sheep are starting to wake up, and see reality for what it is.

Soon the sheep will rise up and try to regain control.

Becareful though, we will be told to fear one another.

What is in store for us, is anyones guess, but one thing is obvious,

we are being set up for chaos and destruction.

The result will be a fascist state were freedom is no longer tolerated.

Good Luck

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Peak Oil : Think Food Shortages and Financial Collapse ...
Posted by: mmckinl on Nov 8, 2007 6:23 PM   
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Indeed the energy problem for the transportation sector looms ominously. No other energy source is as energy efficient as oil. At a minimum price increases will outstrip our economys ability to absorb them.

In layman's terms, the economy will suffer. This is not a one-off event but a long-term trend that will undermine the very foundation of our economy as it exists today.

Consumers will find products that require large amounts of transportation energy will rise precipitously. This means gas, of course, but it also means food. Food production is all about oil. ,Plowing , planting, spraying herbicides and pesticides , harvesting , storage, procesing, production , wharehousing , wholesale and retail all require diesel.

As more and more of consumer resources are used for food and fuel, all other areas of the economy will shrink, causing layofffs and bankruptcies on a massive scale. The banking and financial sector of the economy will tumble. Growth will be a thing of the past. Permanent unemployment and increasing hunger will cause social and political instability.

In the future countries that are extremely fuel effficient will be the winners. Needless to say, ours is the most fuel inefficient economy in the world save the massive exporters like the UAE and Saudi Arabia who subsidize gas for their citizens.

To say that there is any military answer is to provoke bankruptcy , totalitarianism and WWIII . It is time we accepted reality and planned accordingly for a new economic model.

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The End of Oil
Posted by: macdon1 on Nov 8, 2007 8:17 PM   
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Because there has been so much denial and rationalization around the end of cheap oil, we are not prepared to deal with the situation that is now upon us. The US has poor public transportation and hoards of gas guzzling vehicles with drivers who are still in la-la land and expect to be able to drive up to the pump and fill up whenever they feel like it. People here in California think nothing of commuting three hours to work. I can't even imagine the social disorder that is coming when these people can't continue their lifestyle. As for me, if I can't walk or take the bus, I don't go there.

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Global Warming is Real, Peak Oil is Less Real
Posted by: PaulK on Nov 8, 2007 8:43 PM   
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We can make much, much more oil from coal. Nazi Germany did this in WWII. Furthermore, in an era of high oil prices other countries can cheaply burn down forests for their heat source. That's what's happening this year with $95 a barrel oil. Many of us have switched to burning nearly pure carbon.

The consequences of the world switching over to high carbon fuels are being felt dearly in the collapse of polar ice sheets. I give a 50% chance of the earth's oceans rising 100 feet in 50 years, with almost all of the rise coming late in this period.

We need solar heat, wind power and electric vehicles not because we have no other choice, but because we love our grandchildren.

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3 TRILLION BARRELS of OIL
Posted by: rethugnican on Nov 8, 2007 9:02 PM   
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Three Trillion Barrels of Oil, in Colorado, Utah and Wyoming, 2/3 shale and 1/3 pumpable crude will not be produced in the forseeable future.

Reason #1 Dump Truck Tires and Dump Trucks.
China is the world's leading tar sands oil producer. Athabasca Tar Sands in Canada is the largest producer in North America. Brazil has just opened the largest tar sands operation in the western hemisphere, and they cannot get dump truck tires. Each dump truck needs 10 tires. Each tire lasts one year and costs $60,000. $600,000 per truck for tires per year. The supply cannot keep up with the demand and the manufacturer will not invest in new manufacturing capability for fear of Chinese competition (they have their own tires). Truck maufacturers will not buy engines, axles, etc to manufacture trucks they will pay to warehouse and cannot sell without tires.

#2 It takes 1000 cubic feet of natural gas to process one 42 gallon barrel of shale oil. 1,031,000 btu's natural gas to harvest 5,800,000 btu's crude oil. 4,769,000 btu's net gain with some carbon dioxide production. Expect Natural Gas prices to increase.
Solar heat harvesting is not an option but should be. A triple pane collector can reach 500 degrees f. A single pane collector can reach 240 degrees f. and a double pane 380 degrees f.

My solar box oven does 380 degrees f. day in and day out if the sun shines.


My employer from the late 1960's was an oil speculator and drilled many wells in that area and they are capped and the leases manitained.

Shale oil can and will eventuall be produced but not until America understands that $300 TRILLION dollars has been set aside for the ruling elite, not you.

And with $300 TRILLION worth of oil, why the hell are my grandkid's school budgets so miserly and my country $9 TRILLION in debt?

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» Sounds like BS. Posted by: yellow
how to make a self-charging car or truck
Posted by: eosrk on Nov 8, 2007 9:05 PM   
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It works on existing eletric vechiles, all that is requried is an alternator or two located on the rear axle, and it can work with the wheels( then make the alternators so that they can adjust voltage output), an switchgear system( I'm pretty there are switchgear systems small enough to fit inside a vechile, in fact, probably would even notice it if it's installed correctly) and another set of rechargable batteries so that it can switch off one set of batteries to another, while the alternators charge up the standby batteries, and to make it even better, have one of the alternators set up to run off the online system to charge up the standy system (of course with the eletric motor running) when the vechile is parked, espically overnight, then swiches off once it's charged up. It sounds simple, cause it is, and wouldn't take up any room since there's so much of it below the trunk area, or just make part of the trunk the extra set for the batteries.

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Reminder: Fossil fuel burning leads to extinction by H2S
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Nov 9, 2007 12:45 AM   
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5 groups of scientists have published this same conclusion now. The most recent:
Downloaded from: http://www.astrobio.net/news/article2509.html
The greatest mass extinction in Earth’s history also may have been one of the
slowest, according to a study that casts further doubt on the extinction-by-meteor
theory. Creeping environmental stress fueled by volcanic eruptions and global
warming was the likely cause of the Great Dying, or Permian-Triassic Extinction,
250 million years ago, said University of Southern California doctoral student
Catherine Powers. The research sheds light on how past life interacted with our
planet's changing environment during one of the most important events in the
evolution of life on Earth.
Writing in the November issue of the journal Geology, Powers and her adviser
David Bottjer, professor of earth sciences at USC College, describe a slow decline
in the diversity of some common marine organisms.
The decline began millions of years before the disappearance of 90 percent of
Earth’s species at the end of the Permian era, Powers shows in her study.
More damaging to the meteor theory, the study finds that organisms in the deep
ocean started dying first, followed by those on ocean shelves and reefs, and finally
those living near shore.
“Something has to be coming from the deep ocean,” Powers said. “Something has
to be coming up the water column and killing these organisms.”
That something probably was hydrogen sulfide, according to Powers, who cited
studies from the University of Washington, Pennsylvania State University, the
University of Arizona and the Bottjer laboratory at USC.
Those studies, combined with the new data from Powers and Bottjer, support a
model that attributes the extinction to enormous volcanic eruptions that released
carbon dioxide and methane, triggering rapid global warming.
The warmer ocean water would have lost some of its ability to retain oxygen,
allowing water rich in hydrogen sulfide to well up from the deep (the gas comes
from anaerobic bacteria at the bottom of the ocean).
If large amounts of hydrogen sulfide escaped into the atmosphere, the gas would
have killed most forms of life and also damaged the ozone shield, increasing the
level of harmful ultraviolet radiation reaching the planet’s surface.
Powers and others believe that the same deadly sequence repeated itself for
another major extinction 200 million years ago, at the end of the Triassic era.
“There are very few people that hang on to the idea that it was a meteorite
impact,” she said. Even if an impact did occur, she added, it could not have been
the primary cause of an extinction already in progress.
In her study, Powers analyzed the distribution and diversity of bryozoans, a
family of marine invertebrates.
Based on the types of rocks in which the fossils were found, Powers was able to
classify the organisms according to age and approximate depth of their habitat.
She found that bryozoan diversity in the deep ocean started to decrease about 270
million years ago and fell sharply in the 10 million years before the mass
extinction that marked the end of the Permian era.
But diversity at middle depths and near shore fell off later and gradually, with
shoreline bryozoans being affected last, Powers said.
She observed the same pattern before the end-Triassic extinction, 50 million years
after the end-Permian.

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We are NOT running out of nuclear fuel. Nuclear is the safest.
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Nov 9, 2007 12:51 AM   
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Yucca Mountain is full of fuel that needs to be reprocessed.

Nuclear is SAFE.

It is Coal that leads to our extinction. Do you understand
the word "extinction"?

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Abiotic Oil & Russian Technology To The Rescue
Posted by: bcgirl125 on Nov 9, 2007 12:37 PM   
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Several posters have brought up the subject of abiotic oil, an interesting topic. But if abiotic oil in deep fields actually exists, and the Russians are such experts at tapping it, and have been for years, just one question : how come world oil production has followed the Hubbard curve so exactly? If huge reserves really did exist deep inside the Earth, don't you think this would have invalidated Hubbard's hypothesis?

Looks to me like all the low hanging fruit (shallow fields of sweet light crude) in the Middle East has been picked, at an approximate extraction ratio of 15:1, that is, 15 barrels of oil produced for every one barrel of energy invested. Now we're on to the more difficult sources, such as deep fields and tar sands/shale oil. However, these are finite as well, and the difficulty of extracting this oil reduces the ratio considerably.

Oil prices will have to rise to cover the intensive labor, and due to the energy input needed the last half of the planet's oil will not yield as much net energy as the first half. It won't take another half a century for the oil to run out. Especially with ever-increasing consumption, I bet we'll see shortages within 10 to 15 years.

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LIE: Nuclear takes more, or almost as much, energy as it gives back
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Nov 9, 2007 11:10 PM   
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PaulK, which coal company are you shilling for? Your statement
is utter nonsense. Nuclear power is expensive because of people
like you, protesters who drive up the cost with pointless protests.
If the safety of nuclear power were reduced to a reasonable level,
your electric bill would be cut in half. If nuclear were not a real
energy source, the electric company would not want it at all.
They would use the diesel fuel directly to generate electricity.

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nuclear energy dangerous.GNEP provides opportunity to move.
Posted by: whealeydj on Nov 10, 2007 2:43 PM   
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Uranium is as finite as oil. 103 nuclear power plants in this country already. Bush wants to centralize the nations and perhaps the worlds nuclear waste in one location, GNEP. One of ten proposed site is near me in Piketon OH. This is a bailout of existing plants by relieving them of their nuclear waste to be stored and eventually 'recycled'. first problem is transportation accidents (perhaps in my hometown if Piketon is chosen). then there is the possibility storage accidents. Plus the vulnerability of centralized location to nuclear terrorism-- who needs ICBM if a Chernobyl can be created. I agree that coal is no answer since water pollution when mined and air pollution when burned. Coal vs natural gas has interesting outbreak in West Virginia where those who are leveling mountaintops to extract coal are suing the natural gas extractors because the NG want to put in more wells which mean coal cannot mountaintop as much. making oil from coal wil be extremely dirty. Just because one is anti nuclear you dont have to be pro coal. soon er we abondon coal, oil, natural gas and oil for wind, tidal waves and solar the better. We cannot trust current politicians to do the right thing because they are in the pocket of Big Coal and Big OIL etc.

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Oil Shale Is A Dead End
Posted by: cjwirth on Nov 11, 2007 5:55 AM   
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Barely a few barrels of oil will ever be squeezed out of oil shale. See my research at pages 23-24 and 29-41 at http://www.peakoilassociates.com/POAnalysis.html

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What am I bid for one "spent" nuclear fuel rod?
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Nov 12, 2007 9:19 PM   
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What am I bid for all the "waste" in Yucca Mountain? On an
open market, an emperor's ransom. How does Israel fuel their
nuclear power plants and obtain plutonium for their bombs? By
stealing fuel from the reprocessing cycles of other countries that
tried to keep Israel from having a nuclear program. How many
other countries would be willing to bid if they could? All of
those that don't have nuclear power now. What would Iran be
willing to pay for the contents of Yucca Mountain? Yucca
Mountain must be guarded carefully or it will be stolen from. If
Americans do not understand the value of the so-called "waste"
there are 6 billion other people who do.

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Stealing recycled nuclear fuel
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Nov 12, 2007 10:35 PM   
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I don't believe that terrorists groups will be able to steal uranium. The place it
goes that it isn't supposed to go is Israel. This happened in a small town near
Pittsburgh, PA circa 1970. A company called Numec was in the business of
reprocessing nuclear fuel. I almost took a job there, designing a nuclear battery
for a heart pacemaker. [A nuclear battery would have the advantage of lasting
15 times as long as any other battery, eliminating many surgeries to replace
batteries.] Numec did NOT have a reactor. Numec "lost" half a ton of enriched
uranium. It wound up in Israel. The Israelis have fueled both their nuclear
power plants and their nuclear weapons by stealing nuclear "waste." It could
work for any other country, such as Iran or the United States. It is only when
you don't have access to nuclear "waste" that you have to do the difficult process
of enriching uranium.
Numec is no longer in business. Terrorists can't compete with Mossad and
Israeli dual citizens who are CEOs of companies like Numec. Israeli nuclear
weapons are exact duplicates of American nuclear weapons. All persons who
were "born of Jewish mothers" are citizens of Israel regardless of any other fact.
Since the US can't and shouldn't discriminate, the reprocessing of nuclear fuel in
the US stopped. That was the only politically possible solution at that time,
given that private corporations did the reprocessing. My solution would be to
reprocess the fuel at a Government Owned Government Operated [GOGO]
facility. At a GOGO plant, bureaucracy and the multiplicity of ethnicity and
religion would disable the transportation of uranium to Israel or to any
unauthorized place. Nothing heavier than a secret would get out.

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FINDING THE TRUTH
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Nov 12, 2007 11:14 PM   
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Reference: "Web Dragons" by Witten, Gori and Numerico 2007.

The search engines do not understand the web pages they find for you. They are
just machines. They have no idea of whether or not the web pages they find tell
the truth. In the US, we have "freedom of speech," which means that nobody has
to prove that anything is true before publishing it. We also have a coal industry
that has a gross income of $100 BILLION per year. That $100 BILLION per year
could be easily sunk by the nuclear industry unless you can be persuaded that
nuclear power is dangerous. [The truth is that a coal fired power plant puts 100
times as much radiation into your environment as the nuclear power plant. The
truth is also that natural background radiation is 10 times what you get from a coal
fired power plant.] Do the coal companies have an incentive to lead you astray?
Yes. Is $100 BILLION per year enough incentive? Yes. Can the coal industry
afford to hire doctors, economists, environmentalists, website designers, computer
scientists, psychologists, advertising agencies, and lots of other people on $100
BILLION per year? Of course. Can the coal industry afford to set up hundreds
of web pages on hundreds of computers in hundreds of locations and "game" the
search engines on $100 BILLION per year? Yes. And they do.

How hard is it to find the truth on the web? Very hard. Most web sites have a
monetary reason for existing. People who know the truth and are willing to tell
you the truth don't have much economic reason to do so. It is hard to make money
by telling the truth. Nobody ever went broke by underestimating the intelligence
or overestimating the gullibility of the average person. So how are you going to
find out the truth for sure? There is only one way. You have to become a
scientist. You will have to spend a minimum of 4 years in college to get the
minimum degree, the B.S. You should really spend more like 15 years and get a
post doctoral degree.

THERE ARE ZERO HUMAN AUTHORITIES.
Scientists do not vote on what is the truth. There is only one vote and Nature
owns it. We find out what Nature's vote is by doing Scientific [public and
replicable] experiments. Scientific [public and replicable] experiments are the
only source of truth. [To be public, it has to be visible to other people in the
room. What goes on inside one person's head isn't public unless it can be seen on
an X-ray or with another instrument.]
Science is a simple faith in Scientific experiments and a simple absolute lack of
faith in everything else. Do not trust any human, not even yourself. Trust only
the experiments that you personally perform. Otherwise, you will be misled.

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Abiotic and Western Neglect of Russian Technology
Posted by: stevelevine on Nov 21, 2007 8:33 AM   
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I am struck by the almost off-handed mention of abiotic theory, and the commentary it provoked. It fits into the West's traditional refusal, going back to the Czarist era, to believe that Russia in its various guises is capable of any technological advance worth adapting.

Oil is a key feature of this pattern. Examples are Ludwig Nobel's 1878 invention of the oil tanker in Baku, and the 1920s invention of what today is known as directional drilling.

Of course there is reason for the bias -- Russia traditionally has been largely backward technologically, and has borrowed many of its innovations from the West. Today Russia is regarded as solely a repository of natural resources.

Yet there are huge exceptions. Innovations spring from there as well.

Steve LeVine, author
The Oil and the Glory
http://www.oilandglory.com

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Unfortunately...
Posted by: bobtr900 on Nov 22, 2007 10:00 AM   
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...in order to deal with these problems we need to deal with the oil/energy companies. To deal with them we have to deal with their protectors the Republican Party, and to deal with them we have to deal with and defeat their protectors the 'red' state voters and to deal with and defeat the 'red' state voters we have to deal with the two big religions that hold us hostage to their religious ideologies.

In other words deal with the two big religions that support the Rethug party and we can take a giant step forward to solving our oil/energy problems.

These powerful entities have us by the throat and are waterboarding us all to death. So we have to defeat the overly simplistic binary thinkers( the it us or them thinkers, your for us or your against us, support us or your supporting the enemy thinkers)and become nuanced thinkers so we can tease out the threads of comprehension and understanding that will put us further along the road of success toward solving our problems, of which THEY are a major source of those problems.

There are those who actually think that if we are richer that means God is on our side because we are on the right side of God and he has bestowed his bounty upon them. In reality those who get richer so often do so by gaming the system and stealing from others.

There is such a thing as honest labor and then there is the 'get rich quick mentality of the right wingers'. Their ideology of steal as much as you can as fast as you can and game the system to make themselves richer at the expense of others is what they are all about.

Defeat them and we can ge down to work to solve our problems. Ignore the past as one poster, above asks and we will never escape the tyranny of the right wingers and their death dealing for profits mindset.

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