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The Bottled Water Backlash
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But there is one thing you won't find at either venue: bottled water.
The pledge caps a summer of organizing that has seen the backlash against bottled water go mainstream. Bella Luna isn't the only restaurant to ban bottled water from its menu. The movement burst into public view this spring when chef Alice Waters, the godmother of "California cuisine," nixed bottled water from her Berkeley, Calif., restaurant Chez Panisse. Soon after, Food Network favorite Mario Batali followed suit at his empire of restaurants including Manhattan's swish Del Posto, serving filtered tap water in glasses etched with information on the harmful environmental impact of bottled water
Then cities -- who probably have the most to gain from promoting municipal water -- got into the act. This June, San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom issued an executive order to cancel the city's purchasing contract for bottled water, mandating instead that city departments rely on tap water that gushes down to the city from its clean reservoirs in Yosemite National Park. The next day, over heavy lobbying from the bottled water industry, Newsom along with progressive Salt Lake City Mayor Ross C. "Rocky" Anderson and Minneapolis Mayor R.T. Rybak pushed through a resolution at the U.S. Conference of Mayors to commission a study looking at the impact of discarded bottled water bottles on city waste streams.
According to the Container Recycling Institute (CRI), 96 percent of bottled water is sold in single-size polyethylene terephthalate (PET) plastic bottles, which, because they are frequently consumed "on the go," end up in city trash cans rather than recycling bins. The national recycling rate for all PET bottles, including soda bottles, is just 23.1 percent, and bottled water is even lower. CRI estimates some 4 billion PET bottles end up in the waste stream, costing cities some $70 million a year in cleanup and landfill costs.
Bottled water "very clearly reflects the wasteful and reckless consumerism in this country," said Salt Lake City's Anderson in a conference call with reporters this month. "You really have to wonder at the utter stupidity and the irresponsibility sometimes of American consumers. These false needs are provided, and too often we just fall in line with what Madison Avenue comes up with to market these unnecessary products."
While falling short of a binding executive order, Anderson issued a directive to all city departments a year ago mandating that no tax money be spent on providing bottles of water for meetings and events. In coordination with CAI, the city has launched a campaign, called "Knock Out Bottled Water," with its own pledge for consumers and restaurants. (So far, 15 have signed up, most of them part of the city's popular upscale Gastronmy Inc. chain, whose flagship Market Street Grill earned "chef of the year" honors from Salt Lake City magazine.)
Other cities have separately pioneered their own efforts. New York, which gets pristine water from the Catskills, has started an advertising campaign to encourage residents to drink "cool, healthy, clean ... NYC water." In Berkeley, the school district last year replaced bottled water machines with large containers of tap. Other California cities, including Santa Barbara, Emeryville, San Leandro and Los Angeles have either cancelled bottled water contracts or instructed city departments not to buy bottled water. And this month, Boston signed on to the CAI pledge.
Nor is it just cities in on the East and West coasts that are taking action -- Ann Arbor, Mich., has already cancelled bottled water contracts, and mayors in other cities such as Urbana, Ill., and Wauwatosa, Wis., are considering similar actions. In Chicago, Mayor Richard Daley is considering a proposal to tax bottled water producers who bottle municipal water. And one of the very first cities to promote its tap water is -- of all places -- Louisville, Ky., which has distributed more than 1.8 million "Pure Tap" water bottles to residents since 1997 and branded a mascot, Tapper, to educate kids about the source of their water.
As the wave against bottled water has grown into a tide, the industry has not taken long to splash back. This August, the International Bottled Water Association published full-page ads in the New York Times and San Francisco Chronicle decrying the "misguided and confusing criticism by activist groups and a handful of mayors who have presented misinformation and subjective criticism as facts."
Instead of pitting bottled water against tap water, the group says, bottled water should be seen as an alternative to soda and other sugary drinks consumed outside the home. Its ads quote statistics saying 70 percent of beverages are consumed from a can or bottle, "a result of our 24/7 on-the-go society. So as far as we are concerned, the drink in everyone's purse, backpack, and lunch box should be water."
In fact IWBA president Joe Doss says a private poll by one bottler found three-quarters of people drink both tap water and bottled water, depending on the circumstances. "We don't see tap water as our competition," he says. "Every day on newspapers and TV, you see stories about increasing obesity and diabetes. These actions against bottled water will have no good consequences if they discourage people from drinking a healthy beverage."
As for recycling, Doss says that bottled water companies have done their part to reduce the amount of PET resin in bottles by 40 percent over the last five years. Despite the number of bottles that end up in landfills, however, he says PET bottles represent only a third of 1 percent (.0033) of all trash. "If you can get your head around that, it's very clear that these efforts to target bottled water are misguided at best and totally ineffective in dealing with the problem at worst." Instead, Doss says IWBA has been involved in supporting curbside recycling initiatives to try and increase the number of water bottles that are recycled, adding that two-thirds of bottled water is consumed at home, work or offices, places where curbside recycling is readily available.
Of course, those are all places where tap water is also readily available, contradicting the argument that bottled water is necessary as an alternative beverage "on the go." When I point out the discrepancy, Doss repeats his mantra of "choice": "It is a choice, it's always a choice; they should have that choice. Bottled water consumers are choosing to drink both, and there is nothing wrong with that."
Perhaps not so coincidentally, that is the same argument that soda companies have used for a decade as their product has come increasingly under attack from health advocates looking to ban soda from schools. After all, many of the same companies at the lead of soda production also produce water. The top producer of bottled water is Nestlé, which owns a quarter of the market with its brands, including Poland Spring, Calistoga, Deer Park, Ice Mountain and Arrowhead. Second and third are PepsiCo and the Coca-Cola Co., which produce Aquafina and Dasani, respectively.
In fact, as soft drinks started to decline in sales for the first time, Coke and Pepsi have increasingly promoted water as a healthy alternative, putting tens of millions of dollars of advertising into rebranding themselves as "hydration" companies and quietly replacing soda logos on vending machines with huge Aquafina and Dasani logos (with bottles of Coke and Pepsi, of course, still available a few buttons down.) Despite advertisements touting the purity of bottled water, however, Aquafina's former tagline says it all: "So pure we promise nothing."
While federal law requires that bottled water be held to the same standards as tap water, tap water is actually more tightly regulated by the Environmental Protection Agency, which requires daily testing and mandatory reporting to the public. For bottled water, the Food and Drug Administration requires only weekly testing and voluntary reporting. A 1999 study by the Natural Resources Defense Council found contamination in some bottles, including e.coli and arsenic.
While some companies, such as Nestlé, report testing information on their website, others don't. "All bottled water companies have telephone numbers you can contact to get the info you want," says Doss. "If you don't get the info you want, you can say, 'I'm not going to drink that brand.' You don't have that choice with tap water."
Others don't see that way. "There is accountability in the municipal system," says Wenonah Hauter, director of Food & Water Watch, which produced a report on bottled water this spring called Take Back the Tap. Her organization originally got into the issue of bottled water while battling companies seeking to privatize municipal water systems. "The excuse that elected officials often gave for privatization was that the public had lost confidence in the public water systems," says Hauter. "We realized that the whole issue of bottled water and the ad campaigns they have done for the past 10 or 15 years has really undermined public water. If we spent just a fraction of what people spend for what is an inferior or at least not a better product, we could have clean water for everyone."
In other words, bottled water has created a chicken-and-egg syndrome whereby advertisements touting the purity of bottled water undermine public support for maintenance of public systems, creating more reliance on bottled water as a source of drinking water. "It's kind of like you keep building more and more highways to accommodate sprawl, and it's this vicious cycle," says Anderson. "We need to stop accommodating these problems and giving up by drinking bottled water. We need to start demanding city officials address these issues."
Despite the problems activists see with bottled water, tap water is hardly a panacea. The EPA estimates that municipalities face a $22 billion shortfall in spending on maintenance of their water systems, and some of the same environmental groups that oppose bottled water have also warned against tap water contamination, especially in rural areas. In other areas, water that is perfectly safe may still have an inherently unpleasant taste or contain added chemicals such as chlorine. It's no accident that cities pushing tap water are those with the best water -- Boston, San Francisco and New York, for example -- are among the five cities in the country with water so pure the EPA doesn't require filtration. And even in those cities, rusting lead pipes in certain buildings can cause contamination that isn't monitored by the EPA.
The safest and cheapest solution, says Hauter, is to invest in a home filtration system and fill your own water bottles from the tap. The most expensive systems cost only about $400 and use reverse osmosis, the same process used by Coke and Pepsi to filter their bottled water. The vast majority of consumers, however, don't need anything that extreme, says Hauter. For chemicals like chlorine, an "adsorptive filter" such as the popular Britta filters, can do the trick. Slightly fancier filters with "ion exchange resin" can take care of lead. And on-the-faucet "particulate filters" can remove particles and bacteria. Because the EPA requires municipalities to submit yearly tests on water quality, it's relatively easy to find out what contaminants, if any, are in your water by going to the agency's website. Or to be doubly sure, some municipal health departments will test your water for free. From there, the Take Back the Tap report lists several nonprofit organizations that can recommend the best filter on the basis of the findings.
After all, filtered tap water is good enough for many bottled water companies themselves. This summer, PepsiCo made the embarrassing public admission that its Aquafina brand water is actually nothing more than filtered water from municipal sources, a fact that the company will now note on its bottles. In fact, some 40 percent of bottled water, including Coke's Dasani brand, is water that it gets from the tap for free, puts through filtration processes, and then sells back to the public with a markup of up to 1,000 times. A law passed by the state legislature in California this year and signed by Governor Schwarzenegger on October 13 requires all bottled water companies to print their source, as well as water quality information, on the label. "When we first introduced this bill in 2003, it was an uphill battle, and everyone said it was 'a solution in search of a problem,'" says Jennifer Clary of Clean Water Action. "No one was saying that this time."
In terms of environmental impact, however, that may be better than the water that Nestlé gets from springs and underwater aquifers around the country. Unlike with surface water, most states have no laws against takings of groundwater that lies underneath a landowner's property, leading to a situation that Texans call the "law of the biggest pump" -- that is, whoever sucks hardest can literally take the water from beneath his neighbor's property.
While industry advocates rightly point out that bottled water amounts to a very small percent of total groundwater use, rural communities around the country have fought specific bottled water plants that take millions of gallons of water out of their watersheds at no cost, and often without so much as a permit or study on environmental consequences.
In addition to the backlash in restaurants and cities, grassroots efforts around the country have taken the fight directly to the source, leading to bills in more than ten states to regulate groundwater takings -- including in Florida, Georgia, Maine, Michigan, Mississippi, New Hampshire, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Texas, Vermont and West Virginia. Some of the bills have even proposed an extraction tax of several cents a gallon that would offset costs to the environment. While most of these bills have been defeated after heavy lobbying from industry, both Michigan and Vermont have passed legislation requiring permits for taking water over a certain amount of water (250,000 gallons a day and 50,000 gallons a day, respectively).
The hardest battle has been fought in Maine, where Nestlé's Poland Spring brand extracts some 180 million gallons a year from land in three communities -- Poland, Hollis, and Fryeburg. Residents have complained about the hundreds of trucks that rumble through their rural communities, as well as anecdotal reports of dropping water levels in area wells, lakes, and rivers. In these days of massive droughts across the country, there's no telling how much of that, if any, is due to the bottling plants. But that's just the point, says Jim Wilfong, director of grassroots group H2OforME. "It's impossible to tell what's going on beneath the ground," he says. "They will always tell you they are monitoring water levels, but there is no independent confirmation."
Last year, Wilfong's group circulated petitions for a state referendum that would create a permitting process for water extraction that would include environmental review and ongoing monitoring. In addition, it would require a 20-cent-per-gallon extraction tax that would be contributed to a trust to compensate taxpayers for water takings. "That water belongs to all people of Maine, and the reason it's clean is we have invested in public sewer systems and cleaned up oil and gasoline spills," says Wilfong, a former state legislator and assistant trade secretary under Clinton. "Then a company moves in from Switzerland and takes some advantage of it. As a principle that is not right."
The referendum campaign was bitterly fought, with Nestlé reportedly contributing $200,000 to a political action committee that waged an aggressive media campaign, stirring up anti-tax sentiment and warning about lost jobs in rural areas. In the end, the referendum failed to make the ballot by just a few hundred signatures. When Wilfong vowed to bring it up again this year, however, Nestlé offered to sit down and hammer out a compromise. While the tax idea was dropped, the bill introduced this summer establishes much of what the referendum would have done, including a permitting process with environmental impact study and subsequent groundwater monitoring paid for by the companies, as well as language acknowledging for the first time that groundwater is a public resource that companies did not have unlimited access to.
"It's not the end-all, but, boy, it moved us along way up the path from where we were," says Wilfong. As the world faces a growing global water shortage in coming years and global warming continues to stoke fears of increasing incident of drought, it's vitally important that laws establish who owns the right to groundwater sources, he says. "That is the big issue, not just in Maine but around the country and around the world. The real questions are, who is going to own the water and who is going to control it, and isn't it insane policy to let people control something so important?"
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Posted by: colinmeister on Oct 19, 2007 5:24 AM
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A lot could be done by simply applying the charge to ALL beverage bottles to encourage recycling and keep plastic and glass out of landfills. I do drink the occasional bottle of Perrier - I like it, and my waistline prefers it to Coke. Being sparkling, the recycle machines will accept my empties, too.
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Posted by: Urstrly on Oct 19, 2007 5:43 AM
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Perhaps you've noticed, as I have, that water fountains have become as rare as phone booths, and when you find one, the pressure may be so low that you don't want to drink from it for fear of picking up someone else's germs. I say bring em back. Give everyone you know a hard plastic water bottle; there are some very attractive ones. Put pressure on your local government to keep its water clean, and, if you need to, put a filter on your tap.
As of now, I'm off Poland Springs. Here I thought I was helping that struggling economy up in Maine when all the time it was profiting Nestle, the same company that pushed dehydrated baby formula in developing countries where there was, ironically, no pure water supply to make it safe.
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"In 1976, Maine enacted the Returnable Beverage Container Law. Maine was the first state to expand its deposit law to include juices, juice drinks, teas, sports drinks, and bottled waters. The law was expanded in 1989, after a brief campaign led by the Natural Resources Council of Maine and supported by Governor John McKernan. The expansion, implemented in 1990, covers “new age” drinks as well as wine and liquor containers.
For more information regarding Maine’s bottle bill, see the Bottle Redemption Laws & Rules at the Maine Department of Agriculture, Food, and Rural Resources." From: http://www.serconline.org/bottlebill/stateactivity.html
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Posted by: wireup on Oct 19, 2007 6:26 AM
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Fluoride is a disaster, should NOT be consumed under any circumstances. Don't take my word for it:
http://fluoridealert.org/
http://www.mercola.com/article/links/fluoride_links.htm
http://fluoridealert.org/50-reasons.htm
And then there is chlorine:
http://www.holistichealthtools.com/chlorine.html
http://www.doulton.ca/chlorine.html
So please, stop with the BS on how SAFE tap water is, when it is NOT safe at all.
HOWEVER, in view of the fact that we must drink water and we don't want to continue to use bottled water, then we HAVE to drink tap water. So, the solution is to filter it.
I located a filter that takes out chlorine and chemicals and fluoride. The water tastes good, the filter works fine.
Do your homework. Filter your water and FORGET the nonsense that tap water is safe to drink.
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Posted by: zooeyhall on Oct 19, 2007 6:40 AM
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While this article shows some hopeful signs of reversing this trend, unfortunately the root causes of the consumerist consumptive "I'm entitled" attitudes are still ubiquitous in society.
Too many people, especially young people today, are totally absorbed and taken in by the media advertising machine. They do not think critically or question the things that are thrown at them by the media.
Until this changes, the trend described by the article is only a drop in the bucket.
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Posted by: dustdevil on Oct 19, 2007 6:46 AM
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leads her to believe bottled water is cleaner and purer than tap or well water. So she buys cases of the water and we have empty plastic bottles all over our house.
Penn and Teller have made a video which shows the bad effects of bottled water and that it is not regulated as well as tap water.
The bottled water fad has gotten so big that wealthy investors
are buying up property where they can control the water. Here in central Texas where we have a lot of springfed rivers,
the Lower Colorado River Authority, who has grandfather rights, sells that water for $126 per acre foot. An acre foot is about 350,000 gallons. Do you see the profit potential here? In our area we have already stopped one multimillionaire from damming one of our rivers
which would impound public-owned water on his property.
LCRA sold him 22 million acre feet under protest from many adjacent landowners and area residents. I am sure he will continue to pursue the dam in the future.
My wife is pro-environment on most things. I will convince her that bottled water must be eliminated in daily use.
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Posted by: synapse on Oct 19, 2007 7:50 AM
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Not only are the discarded bottles bad for the environment, but the production of plastic and the distribution process requires a large fossil fuel input, esp. oil.
There are also political angles to the bottled water controversy that are rarely touched upon in these discussions. In their well researched book, Blue Gold, Maude Barlow and Tony Clarke examined the planning and organization behind the corporate theft of public water supplies occurring at an alarming pace around the globe.
At international conferences attended by representatives from Nestle, Bechtel, and the U.N., the newfound popularity of bottled water had looked upon as a way to condition the public into thinking of water as a commodity. Attendees concluded at one such conference that water is NOT a basic human right, it is a human need but not a human right. These proclamations were behind a new push to privatize municiple water supplies. Local water sources were to no longer be under the watchful eye or control of the community it had been serving for generations, the plan was to privatize it for a fraction of its real worth and sell it to the highest bidder even if that bidder was a corporation or an entity in another country. This sets up a situation where, potentially, some locals are unable to afford or have reasonable access to their local water sources. Similar conditions and worries led to citizen-led backlashes in India and Latin America.
Barlow mentioned the worry that the new water barons had over growing public opposition. This is a recurrent theme with groups like the Trilateralists (formed by Rockefeller and Brzezinski and dominating American politics starting with the Carter administration) who are famous for saying "there is an excess of democracy" in the world.
Whether the concern is environmental, including bottles going into landfills, the health concerns from xenoestrogens and carcinogens as byproducts of the breakdown of plastics harming humans and wildlife, the waste of fossil fuels during production and distribution, or the perversion of our political system - this new paradigm shift is excellent news!
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Posted by: InsertNameHere on Oct 19, 2007 7:59 AM
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Water and air are not made by man nor do they require processing before consumption, except for municipal water being treated. Water treatment is paid for by taxes or by your water bill. These are concepts we have also come to accept. Buying bottled water just seems like a monumental waste of money. Yes, it is usually cheap, but a waste of money is a waste of money. Bottled water has its merits in emergency situations, but emergency crews can also set up mobile pumping and processing equipment.
It seems to me that whatever argument you can make for bottled water, there is technological solution that makes buying it redundant.
On a side note: You know that bottled water is hugely profitable when the display ad on Coke and Pepsi machines is for their bottled water product instead of their marquee soda beverage.
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Posted by: tommy_slothrop on Oct 19, 2007 8:31 AM
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Filters can leach chemicals and are only good for removing some microbiological contaminants. They can provide an environment that promotes bacterial growth. They are useless for removing chlorine and fluoride. If you want to remove chlorine shake or stir the water and let it sit for a while.
Ion-exchange resins can leach petrochemicals.
These products are mostly just consumer items that companies try to scare people into buying - like any number of consumer goods. Corporate-induced fear is much more dangerous to most people than contaminated water.
Take a look at the world around you. The fear industry tries to scare people into buying crap they'd be better off without. Then it generates more fear to promote wars to secure resources needed to produce, distribute and dispose of said crap.
We need a new economic paradigm. Work less. Consume less. Live more.
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Posted by: common intelligence on Oct 19, 2007 9:05 AM
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Funny thing is I as well as oh so many outdoor types have been carrying our own bottles filters where ever we go. All because the natural sources, streams and lakes, etc. have all been contaminated by giardia and other nasty things from over use and abuse. I remember when we didn't need filters or a bottle. Only a sierra cup to take a dip out of the creek. That's long gone now by TOO MANY PEOPLE, with absolutely poor ecological minds.
The best approach for "guchi" minded flat-landers is buy a nice colored, liter, "Nalegene" bottle at a back packing store, and a simple filter if you'r paranoid about city water quality.
DO it your self ! Who know you might set a trend,
(DUh, we back packers already did!). Now get on board.
Stop being down right lazy.
The amount of money you'll save will be phenominal. But more important the waste you will stop is righteous.
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Posted by: common intelligence on Oct 19, 2007 9:18 AM
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One of my biggest pet peeves is that the city and county governments should provide public toilets and water fountains through out their towns.
It should not be the obligation or the espense of businesses to provide these basic human needs. Nor should business have to be the one that provide the toilet paper and soap for everyone that wanders in to their establishment to use the camode.
Yet it is not even concidered at all a priority or even a thought by these bastians of civilization.
It sure would make towns friendly places instead of just places to consume (plastic bottles).
I propose a nation wide action by citzens to "tell" their governments to provide these basic facilities to the the over head of all towns and cities. It is just a simportant a trash pick-up and safety for children.
Money is not an issue! This is civilization, right?
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Why does that surprise the author? Statements like that make it easy to figure out why so many rural and middle-Americans despise the left.
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Oct 19, 2007 10:00 AM
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These are the same corporate interests who have done such a good job of polluting natural water supplies with endocrine disrupters, industrial solvents, petroleum residues and gasoline additives, as well as with fertilizers, pesticides and herbicides - all while fighting as hard as they can to prevent government regulation of industrial emissions and agricultural runoff.
Look at the situation in Iraq and Afghanistan as an example, where the very corporate interests that finance U.S. political elections were given billions in contracts to 'rebuild the water supply'.
For some reason, Alternet publishes a lot of articles like this one that seem to assume that the U.S. public isn't interested in anything that happens outside the U.S. borders - a very insular and bizzare viewpoint that mimics that of the majority of the corporate press.
For a wider view, see:
Busting the Water Cartel, A Report From Inside the Activist Coalition at the World Water Forum
by Holly Wren Spaulding, Special to CorpWatch
March 27th, 2003
Water for Profit, CBC
Water, like air, is a necessity of human life. It is also, according to Fortune magazine, "One of the world's great business opportunities. It promises to be to the 21st century what oil was to the 20th."
One other point - as far as the 'conscious' Whole Foods chain goes, that's a bad joke. They are a union-busting concern based in Texas, and behave no differently from any other corporate supermarket chain. Yes, they sell organic food, at inflated prices, to anyone who can afford to pay - bottled water writ large.
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Posted by: frantaylor on Oct 19, 2007 10:58 AM
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Think about this next time you congratulate yourself for your political correctness with that pint of Wavy Gravy.
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Posted by: northerner on Oct 19, 2007 11:05 AM
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A quick visit to Food & Water Watch's website turns up the estimate of 47 million gallons of oil for America's water bottle, or 1.12 million barrels of oil.
But hey, what's 133,000% among friends? It's not like anyone will take your numbers particularly seriously anyway.
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Posted by: chaoslegs on Oct 19, 2007 11:39 AM
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Another nice trick for those wanting to for go the water bottle. Take an empty water bottle, re-usable type, through airport security and fill it up in a drinking fountain after security. Saves money. Airport is a place you can still find drinking fountain. Post 3-1-1 rules, it is the smartest way to hydrate yourself on the other side of airport security!
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Posted by: drblack on Oct 19, 2007 12:19 PM
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If yours tastes funky or you want to remove chlorine and fluorine and other slight contaminants get a Brita, or PUR or other brand of water filter and you will have good tasting and safe water.
Bottled water can contain ANYTHING and still be sold. It also sits on shelves for long periods...what grows in it during that time?
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Posted by: drblack on Oct 19, 2007 12:24 PM
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There is simply a better and more healthful way of drinking water.
Facts have nothing to do with political correctness.
Ice cream could exist in cold climates naturally as well so your statement falls down. During long stretches of very cold weather I do store my food out side and shut off my Freezer and fridge.
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Posted by: Jeff Hoffman on Oct 19, 2007 12:28 PM
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2. Municipal tap water is "purified" by adding chlorine or chloramine. This needs to be done in municipal water supplies in order to prevent cholera. So anyone who opposes filtration systems is telling you to ingest one of these harmful chemicals.
3. Drinking filtered tap water is fine just about anywhere in the U.S.; there's no reason to buy bottled water. Just put a filter on your kitchen faucet that is rated to filter whichever disinfectant your local water agency uses.
4. There's a huge difference between bottled spring water and bottled "drinking" water, the latter of which is just tap water and is a big ripoff, while the former is pure water with no chemicals added. But hey, a sucker is born every minute and fools and their money are soon parted, so many people waste their money on bottled drinking water. The reason not to buy spring water is to prevent the ecological harms that its consumption causes, but it's certainly a superior alternative to bottled "drinking" water.
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Posted by: artifax on Oct 19, 2007 1:04 PM
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Filters are limited in their efficacy (cheapies like Brita are a joke), ever-dwindling in effectiveness as they clog, and remove little of the nasty chemicals put in to make tap "safe" (that don't). All other forms of water purification are, one way or another, limited too.
BTW, the NYC drinking water reservoirs still have raw or barely procesed sewage being dumped in them 15+ years after I worked for an environmental group on water issues. And the hotter the tap water the more it can leach lead from solder in your supply lines.
Sure, I'd prefer good water from my faucet, but so much needs to be done to fix the home water supply. Bottled water of high standards can be a good way to avoid parasites and chemicals in the mean time, and may have to have a role until things improve. Forcing standards and environmental responsibility on the industry is a start. Why was it never done in the first place?
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Posted by: sofla100 on Oct 19, 2007 1:24 PM
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Several bottle watered companies have been accused of false advertising and this may be a widespread problem. In other words, even if they say they are using "spring water," they may just be bottling tap water. The motivation, higher profits, of course.
Bacteria and other chemicals may be in bottled water in significant quantities that consumers are not aware of. This has been reported as a problem. The only way to determine this is with random sampling of the bottled product. However, the USA does not have a system nor any real regulation of what bottled water producers put out. In other words, you are at their mercy, do you feel you can trust them?
Bottled water producers are mostly big corporations that make billions of dollars off the product. They are part and parcel of the well-moneyed, corporate elite. Why not, however, spend your money on something useful to humanity and those who are less fortunate? There are many good and progressive organizations and causes that need our cash to help people, why throw money to some CEO's BMW payments when the homeless need it much more? Think about it.
Even with recycling, valuable natural resources and oil are used to manufacture the bottles for this product. Not only that, significant resources and oil are utilized to transport it to stores for purchase. This does not support conservation.
If you need to "be seen" drinking bottled water in public to "look like you are somebody," please go get some counseling to work on your self-esteem. A healthy ego and sense of self
are not dependent on such ridiculous externals. Real women and real men don't need "bottled water" to be cool.
It appears to me there are any number of good reasons why we all should avoid the bottled product. Again, I am aware that water systems do very considerably across the USA. But, I do know many filtration systems are available and I would bet they will give you just as good, or better, a product then much of what bottled water is.
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Posted by: Mercurial Georgia on Oct 19, 2007 3:44 PM
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If you are worried about your tap water, boil it, it's what I do and I drink gradually watered down tea all day, it's good for your teeth.
...and I hate the taste of plastic. Granted, the taste of water can get metallic in the summer, but it's still better than plastic.
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Posted by: common intelligence on Oct 19, 2007 10:22 PM
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And I have figured it out.
If you look at the "packaging", not the names or labels they all have one thing in common. (I'll get back to that in a couple of sentences here....)
But did you ever notice, much less question how it is people drink these bottles of water? For my self, I don't because I like a nice big mouth filling swallow that quenches my thirst. SO I carry my own wide mouth Back packing bottle. I just twist off the lid and pour it right down my gullet and over my head sometimes. (Now back to the point....)
These bottle water drinkers have to pop the top and SUCK a damn nipple with repetitive SUCKS, just like a baby bottle.
The friggin bottled water mouth piece is a pacifier. Just watch people suck on them. It' s real simple to see we have a society of insecure people grabbing the only sense of impulsive security they can get their hands on that is socially acceptable.
Yup these marketing people really know how to manipulate the unconscious minds of nimble morons. All the way to the bank.
Go a head suck'm up!
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Posted by: Zoea123 on Oct 20, 2007 6:44 PM
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Tap water purity is governed under the Safe Drinking Water Act. The regulations governing tap water are not as stringent. You can travel to any town in the USA and be virtually assured that the tap water you consume will not make you ill. Can any other country (except other Western Countries such as the European Union) make that ascertain?
Well what of chlorine and the disinfection byproducts (DBP's) that may be carcinogens? Those are heavily regulated by the EPA and state agencies. The levels of DBP's are measured in the parts per billion (~ 1 penny in $100,000).
How does one know the purity of the source of bottled water?
Look at it this way, you are not going to die of typhoid or cholera from drinking tap water in the United States. With bottled water, you are contributing to the reckless use of limited resources, filling landfills with plastic bottles, and wasting money (bottled water is more expensive than a gallon of premium fuel).
Learn about what makes Western Civilization possible-safe drinking water and sanitation in the form of advanced wastewater treatment and all the infrastructure that supports it (imagine what a weeks worth of war waging in Iraq would do for our aging deteriorating water lines and sewer pipes).
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I cannot take refined sugars and I cannot stand diet anything. I expect they will discover in twenty years or so that what ever the latest imitation sugar is on the market will turn out to be deadly or at least bad.
I buy gallons of spring water by the case and carry a couple of small bottles in my purse where ever I go. I am ticked about the airlines no longer allowing one to carry sufficient spring water when they don’t provide it on the plane.
Am I going to have to get a prescription in order NOT to be made ill by city water?
CITY WATER IS NOT THAT SAFE!!
I have lived in Topanga, CA and New Orleans and the water is often not available for a period of time after storms and when it comes back in it is preceded by sand and/or mud and how did THAT get into the pipes?
Have you tested the water in YOUR pipes? Then again, you may be used to the microbes that escape the water purification method in your home town, but as a visitor, I’m NOT!! And my intestinal fortitude is challenged by the variations in water, water pipes and faucets.
I remember as a kid, there used to be water fountains everywhere. They have gone the way of telephone booths and remembering what some of them looked like, I say good riddance. Of course I know that a lot of water fountains were eliminated in the south after integration, but what’s the excuse up north?
I don’t care if restaurants don’t carry “spring” water, but they should not then care if I bring my own. I don’t drink the bottled tap waters like Dasani and Aquafina
DO NOT blame the spring water bottle companies for there not being recycling in cities and for there not being a charge on all bottles. The beer, liquor and soda companies have fought that battle successfully everywhere except Maine. The real battle ought to be recycling and having a deposit on ALL bottles.
While we are chatting about eliminating bottles from trash, shall we discuss plastic baby diapers? They’re NOT recyclable.
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Posted by: margwa on Oct 23, 2007 4:39 PM
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But I agree that bottled water is not the answer and the excess waste from discarded bottles is shameful.
The answer is with our elected officials who are responsible for ensuring that all people in the USA and Canada have access to safe, clean drinking water.
But they are shirking their responsibilities and turning a blind eye to the rampant industrial pollution that is inevitably compromising the safety of all water.
If our elected officials were not so willing to drop their pants and bend over for industry (like the whores they are), this discussion would be irrelevant.
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Posted by: ld7440 on Oct 27, 2007 7:55 AM
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With Coca-Cola recently buying Vitamin Water, and the Aquafina scandal, I'm certainly not motivated to buy water in the store. Other companies (like GE) are finding ways to provide clean, drinkable water in other countries. I applaud their efforts. (Read bottled water report)
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With Coca-Cola recently buying Vitamin Water, and the Aquafina scandal, I'm certainly not motivated to buy water in the store. Other companies (like GE) are finding ways to provide clean, drinkable water in other countries. I applaud their efforts. (Read bottled water report)
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Sign the TOTB pledge here: http://www.stopcorporateabusenow.org/campaign/
think_outside_the_bottle_pledge?source=gc3
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A lot could be done by simply applying the charge to ALL beverage bottles to encourage recycling and keep plastic and glass out of landfills. I do drink the occasional bottle of Perrier - I like it, and my waistline prefers it to Coke. Being sparkling, the recycle machines will accept my empties, too.
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Perhaps you've noticed, as I have, that water fountains have become as rare as phone booths, and when you find one, the pressure may be so low that you don't want to drink from it for fear of picking up someone else's germs. I say bring em back. Give everyone you know a hard plastic water bottle; there are some very attractive ones. Put pressure on your local government to keep its water clean, and, if you need to, put a filter on your tap.
As of now, I'm off Poland Springs. Here I thought I was helping that struggling economy up in Maine when all the time it was profiting Nestle, the same company that pushed dehydrated baby formula in developing countries where there was, ironically, no pure water supply to make it safe.
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"In 1976, Maine enacted the Returnable Beverage Container Law. Maine was the first state to expand its deposit law to include juices, juice drinks, teas, sports drinks, and bottled waters. The law was expanded in 1989, after a brief campaign led by the Natural Resources Council of Maine and supported by Governor John McKernan. The expansion, implemented in 1990, covers “new age” drinks as well as wine and liquor containers.
For more information regarding Maine’s bottle bill, see the Bottle Redemption Laws & Rules at the Maine Department of Agriculture, Food, and Rural Resources." From: http://www.serconline.org/bottlebill/stateactivity.html
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Posted by: wireup on Oct 19, 2007 6:26 AM
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Fluoride is a disaster, should NOT be consumed under any circumstances. Don't take my word for it:
http://fluoridealert.org/
http://www.mercola.com/article/links/fluoride_links.htm
http://fluoridealert.org/50-reasons.htm
And then there is chlorine:
http://www.holistichealthtools.com/chlorine.html
http://www.doulton.ca/chlorine.html
So please, stop with the BS on how SAFE tap water is, when it is NOT safe at all.
HOWEVER, in view of the fact that we must drink water and we don't want to continue to use bottled water, then we HAVE to drink tap water. So, the solution is to filter it.
I located a filter that takes out chlorine and chemicals and fluoride. The water tastes good, the filter works fine.
Do your homework. Filter your water and FORGET the nonsense that tap water is safe to drink.
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While this article shows some hopeful signs of reversing this trend, unfortunately the root causes of the consumerist consumptive "I'm entitled" attitudes are still ubiquitous in society.
Too many people, especially young people today, are totally absorbed and taken in by the media advertising machine. They do not think critically or question the things that are thrown at them by the media.
Until this changes, the trend described by the article is only a drop in the bucket.
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Posted by: dustdevil on Oct 19, 2007 6:46 AM
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leads her to believe bottled water is cleaner and purer than tap or well water. So she buys cases of the water and we have empty plastic bottles all over our house.
Penn and Teller have made a video which shows the bad effects of bottled water and that it is not regulated as well as tap water.
The bottled water fad has gotten so big that wealthy investors
are buying up property where they can control the water. Here in central Texas where we have a lot of springfed rivers,
the Lower Colorado River Authority, who has grandfather rights, sells that water for $126 per acre foot. An acre foot is about 350,000 gallons. Do you see the profit potential here? In our area we have already stopped one multimillionaire from damming one of our rivers
which would impound public-owned water on his property.
LCRA sold him 22 million acre feet under protest from many adjacent landowners and area residents. I am sure he will continue to pursue the dam in the future.
My wife is pro-environment on most things. I will convince her that bottled water must be eliminated in daily use.
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Not only are the discarded bottles bad for the environment, but the production of plastic and the distribution process requires a large fossil fuel input, esp. oil.
There are also political angles to the bottled water controversy that are rarely touched upon in these discussions. In their well researched book, Blue Gold, Maude Barlow and Tony Clarke examined the planning and organization behind the corporate theft of public water supplies occurring at an alarming pace around the globe.
At international conferences attended by representatives from Nestle, Bechtel, and the U.N., the newfound popularity of bottled water had looked upon as a way to condition the public into thinking of water as a commodity. Attendees concluded at one such conference that water is NOT a basic human right, it is a human need but not a human right. These proclamations were behind a new push to privatize municiple water supplies. Local water sources were to no longer be under the watchful eye or control of the community it had been serving for generations, the plan was to privatize it for a fraction of its real worth and sell it to the highest bidder even if that bidder was a corporation or an entity in another country. This sets up a situation where, potentially, some locals are unable to afford or have reasonable access to their local water sources. Similar conditions and worries led to citizen-led backlashes in India and Latin America.
Barlow mentioned the worry that the new water barons had over growing public opposition. This is a recurrent theme with groups like the Trilateralists (formed by Rockefeller and Brzezinski and dominating American politics starting with the Carter administration) who are famous for saying "there is an excess of democracy" in the world.
Whether the concern is environmental, including bottles going into landfills, the health concerns from xenoestrogens and carcinogens as byproducts of the breakdown of plastics harming humans and wildlife, the waste of fossil fuels during production and distribution, or the perversion of our political system - this new paradigm shift is excellent news!
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Posted by: InsertNameHere on Oct 19, 2007 7:59 AM
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Water and air are not made by man nor do they require processing before consumption, except for municipal water being treated. Water treatment is paid for by taxes or by your water bill. These are concepts we have also come to accept. Buying bottled water just seems like a monumental waste of money. Yes, it is usually cheap, but a waste of money is a waste of money. Bottled water has its merits in emergency situations, but emergency crews can also set up mobile pumping and processing equipment.
It seems to me that whatever argument you can make for bottled water, there is technological solution that makes buying it redundant.
On a side note: You know that bottled water is hugely profitable when the display ad on Coke and Pepsi machines is for their bottled water product instead of their marquee soda beverage.
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Posted by: tommy_slothrop on Oct 19, 2007 8:31 AM
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Filters can leach chemicals and are only good for removing some microbiological contaminants. They can provide an environment that promotes bacterial growth. They are useless for removing chlorine and fluoride. If you want to remove chlorine shake or stir the water and let it sit for a while.
Ion-exchange resins can leach petrochemicals.
These products are mostly just consumer items that companies try to scare people into buying - like any number of consumer goods. Corporate-induced fear is much more dangerous to most people than contaminated water.
Take a look at the world around you. The fear industry tries to scare people into buying crap they'd be better off without. Then it generates more fear to promote wars to secure resources needed to produce, distribute and dispose of said crap.
We need a new economic paradigm. Work less. Consume less. Live more.
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Posted by: wmiddlemas on Oct 19, 2007 8:41 AM
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Posted by: common intelligence on Oct 19, 2007 9:05 AM
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Funny thing is I as well as oh so many outdoor types have been carrying our own bottles filters where ever we go. All because the natural sources, streams and lakes, etc. have all been contaminated by giardia and other nasty things from over use and abuse. I remember when we didn't need filters or a bottle. Only a sierra cup to take a dip out of the creek. That's long gone now by TOO MANY PEOPLE, with absolutely poor ecological minds.
The best approach for "guchi" minded flat-landers is buy a nice colored, liter, "Nalegene" bottle at a back packing store, and a simple filter if you'r paranoid about city water quality.
DO it your self ! Who know you might set a trend,
(DUh, we back packers already did!). Now get on board.
Stop being down right lazy.
The amount of money you'll save will be phenominal. But more important the waste you will stop is righteous.
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Posted by: common intelligence on Oct 19, 2007 9:18 AM
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One of my biggest pet peeves is that the city and county governments should provide public toilets and water fountains through out their towns.
It should not be the obligation or the espense of businesses to provide these basic human needs. Nor should business have to be the one that provide the toilet paper and soap for everyone that wanders in to their establishment to use the camode.
Yet it is not even concidered at all a priority or even a thought by these bastians of civilization.
It sure would make towns friendly places instead of just places to consume (plastic bottles).
I propose a nation wide action by citzens to "tell" their governments to provide these basic facilities to the the over head of all towns and cities. It is just a simportant a trash pick-up and safety for children.
Money is not an issue! This is civilization, right?
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Posted by: Lloyd Drako on Oct 19, 2007 9:33 AM
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Posted by: Illiteratilumen on Oct 19, 2007 9:35 AM
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Why does that surprise the author? Statements like that make it easy to figure out why so many rural and middle-Americans despise the left.
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Oct 19, 2007 10:00 AM
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These are the same corporate interests who have done such a good job of polluting natural water supplies with endocrine disrupters, industrial solvents, petroleum residues and gasoline additives, as well as with fertilizers, pesticides and herbicides - all while fighting as hard as they can to prevent government regulation of industrial emissions and agricultural runoff.
Look at the situation in Iraq and Afghanistan as an example, where the very corporate interests that finance U.S. political elections were given billions in contracts to 'rebuild the water supply'.
For some reason, Alternet publishes a lot of articles like this one that seem to assume that the U.S. public isn't interested in anything that happens outside the U.S. borders - a very insular and bizzare viewpoint that mimics that of the majority of the corporate press.
For a wider view, see:
Busting the Water Cartel, A Report From Inside the Activist Coalition at the World Water Forum
by Holly Wren Spaulding, Special to CorpWatch
March 27th, 2003
Water for Profit, CBC
Water, like air, is a necessity of human life. It is also, according to Fortune magazine, "One of the world's great business opportunities. It promises to be to the 21st century what oil was to the 20th."
One other point - as far as the 'conscious' Whole Foods chain goes, that's a bad joke. They are a union-busting concern based in Texas, and behave no differently from any other corporate supermarket chain. Yes, they sell organic food, at inflated prices, to anyone who can afford to pay - bottled water writ large.
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Posted by: frantaylor on Oct 19, 2007 10:58 AM
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Think about this next time you congratulate yourself for your political correctness with that pint of Wavy Gravy.
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Posted by: northerner on Oct 19, 2007 11:05 AM
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A quick visit to Food & Water Watch's website turns up the estimate of 47 million gallons of oil for America's water bottle, or 1.12 million barrels of oil.
But hey, what's 133,000% among friends? It's not like anyone will take your numbers particularly seriously anyway.
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Posted by: chaoslegs on Oct 19, 2007 11:39 AM
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Another nice trick for those wanting to for go the water bottle. Take an empty water bottle, re-usable type, through airport security and fill it up in a drinking fountain after security. Saves money. Airport is a place you can still find drinking fountain. Post 3-1-1 rules, it is the smartest way to hydrate yourself on the other side of airport security!
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Posted by: drblack on Oct 19, 2007 12:19 PM
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If yours tastes funky or you want to remove chlorine and fluorine and other slight contaminants get a Brita, or PUR or other brand of water filter and you will have good tasting and safe water.
Bottled water can contain ANYTHING and still be sold. It also sits on shelves for long periods...what grows in it during that time?
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Posted by: drblack on Oct 19, 2007 12:24 PM
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There is simply a better and more healthful way of drinking water.
Facts have nothing to do with political correctness.
Ice cream could exist in cold climates naturally as well so your statement falls down. During long stretches of very cold weather I do store my food out side and shut off my Freezer and fridge.
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Posted by: Jeff Hoffman on Oct 19, 2007 12:28 PM
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2. Municipal tap water is "purified" by adding chlorine or chloramine. This needs to be done in municipal water supplies in order to prevent cholera. So anyone who opposes filtration systems is telling you to ingest one of these harmful chemicals.
3. Drinking filtered tap water is fine just about anywhere in the U.S.; there's no reason to buy bottled water. Just put a filter on your kitchen faucet that is rated to filter whichever disinfectant your local water agency uses.
4. There's a huge difference between bottled spring water and bottled "drinking" water, the latter of which is just tap water and is a big ripoff, while the former is pure water with no chemicals added. But hey, a sucker is born every minute and fools and their money are soon parted, so many people waste their money on bottled drinking water. The reason not to buy spring water is to prevent the ecological harms that its consumption causes, but it's certainly a superior alternative to bottled "drinking" water.
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Posted by: artifax on Oct 19, 2007 1:04 PM
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Filters are limited in their efficacy (cheapies like Brita are a joke), ever-dwindling in effectiveness as they clog, and remove little of the nasty chemicals put in to make tap "safe" (that don't). All other forms of water purification are, one way or another, limited too.
BTW, the NYC drinking water reservoirs still have raw or barely procesed sewage being dumped in them 15+ years after I worked for an environmental group on water issues. And the hotter the tap water the more it can leach lead from solder in your supply lines.
Sure, I'd prefer good water from my faucet, but so much needs to be done to fix the home water supply. Bottled water of high standards can be a good way to avoid parasites and chemicals in the mean time, and may have to have a role until things improve. Forcing standards and environmental responsibility on the industry is a start. Why was it never done in the first place?
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Posted by: sofla100 on Oct 19, 2007 1:24 PM
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Several bottle watered companies have been accused of false advertising and this may be a widespread problem. In other words, even if they say they are using "spring water," they may just be bottling tap water. The motivation, higher profits, of course.
Bacteria and other chemicals may be in bottled water in significant quantities that consumers are not aware of. This has been reported as a problem. The only way to determine this is with random sampling of the bottled product. However, the USA does not have a system nor any real regulation of what bottled water producers put out. In other words, you are at their mercy, do you feel you can trust them?
Bottled water producers are mostly big corporations that make billions of dollars off the product. They are part and parcel of the well-moneyed, corporate elite. Why not, however, spend your money on something useful to humanity and those who are less fortunate? There are many good and progressive organizations and causes that need our cash to help people, why throw money to some CEO's BMW payments when the homeless need it much more? Think about it.
Even with recycling, valuable natural resources and oil are used to manufacture the bottles for this product. Not only that, significant resources and oil are utilized to transport it to stores for purchase. This does not support conservation.
If you need to "be seen" drinking bottled water in public to "look like you are somebody," please go get some counseling to work on your self-esteem. A healthy ego and sense of self
are not dependent on such ridiculous externals. Real women and real men don't need "bottled water" to be cool.
It appears to me there are any number of good reasons why we all should avoid the bottled product. Again, I am aware that water systems do very considerably across the USA. But, I do know many filtration systems are available and I would bet they will give you just as good, or better, a product then much of what bottled water is.
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Posted by: Mercurial Georgia on Oct 19, 2007 3:44 PM
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If you are worried about your tap water, boil it, it's what I do and I drink gradually watered down tea all day, it's good for your teeth.
...and I hate the taste of plastic. Granted, the taste of water can get metallic in the summer, but it's still better than plastic.
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Posted by: dsv70 on Oct 19, 2007 4:47 PM
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Posted by: common intelligence on Oct 19, 2007 10:22 PM
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And I have figured it out.
If you look at the "packaging", not the names or labels they all have one thing in common. (I'll get back to that in a couple of sentences here....)
But did you ever notice, much less question how it is people drink these bottles of water? For my self, I don't because I like a nice big mouth filling swallow that quenches my thirst. SO I carry my own wide mouth Back packing bottle. I just twist off the lid and pour it right down my gullet and over my head sometimes. (Now back to the point....)
These bottle water drinkers have to pop the top and SUCK a damn nipple with repetitive SUCKS, just like a baby bottle.
The friggin bottled water mouth piece is a pacifier. Just watch people suck on them. It' s real simple to see we have a society of insecure people grabbing the only sense of impulsive security they can get their hands on that is socially acceptable.
Yup these marketing people really know how to manipulate the unconscious minds of nimble morons. All the way to the bank.
Go a head suck'm up!
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Posted by: Zoea123 on Oct 20, 2007 6:44 PM
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Tap water purity is governed under the Safe Drinking Water Act. The regulations governing tap water are not as stringent. You can travel to any town in the USA and be virtually assured that the tap water you consume will not make you ill. Can any other country (except other Western Countries such as the European Union) make that ascertain?
Well what of chlorine and the disinfection byproducts (DBP's) that may be carcinogens? Those are heavily regulated by the EPA and state agencies. The levels of DBP's are measured in the parts per billion (~ 1 penny in $100,000).
How does one know the purity of the source of bottled water?
Look at it this way, you are not going to die of typhoid or cholera from drinking tap water in the United States. With bottled water, you are contributing to the reckless use of limited resources, filling landfills with plastic bottles, and wasting money (bottled water is more expensive than a gallon of premium fuel).
Learn about what makes Western Civilization possible-safe drinking water and sanitation in the form of advanced wastewater treatment and all the infrastructure that supports it (imagine what a weeks worth of war waging in Iraq would do for our aging deteriorating water lines and sewer pipes).
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Posted by: A.R. on Oct 22, 2007 7:03 PM
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I cannot take refined sugars and I cannot stand diet anything. I expect they will discover in twenty years or so that what ever the latest imitation sugar is on the market will turn out to be deadly or at least bad.
I buy gallons of spring water by the case and carry a couple of small bottles in my purse where ever I go. I am ticked about the airlines no longer allowing one to carry sufficient spring water when they don’t provide it on the plane.
Am I going to have to get a prescription in order NOT to be made ill by city water?
CITY WATER IS NOT THAT SAFE!!
I have lived in Topanga, CA and New Orleans and the water is often not available for a period of time after storms and when it comes back in it is preceded by sand and/or mud and how did THAT get into the pipes?
Have you tested the water in YOUR pipes? Then again, you may be used to the microbes that escape the water purification method in your home town, but as a visitor, I’m NOT!! And my intestinal fortitude is challenged by the variations in water, water pipes and faucets.
I remember as a kid, there used to be water fountains everywhere. They have gone the way of telephone booths and remembering what some of them looked like, I say good riddance. Of course I know that a lot of water fountains were eliminated in the south after integration, but what’s the excuse up north?
I don’t care if restaurants don’t carry “spring” water, but they should not then care if I bring my own. I don’t drink the bottled tap waters like Dasani and Aquafina
DO NOT blame the spring water bottle companies for there not being recycling in cities and for there not being a charge on all bottles. The beer, liquor and soda companies have fought that battle successfully everywhere except Maine. The real battle ought to be recycling and having a deposit on ALL bottles.
While we are chatting about eliminating bottles from trash, shall we discuss plastic baby diapers? They’re NOT recyclable.
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Posted by: margwa on Oct 23, 2007 4:39 PM
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But I agree that bottled water is not the answer and the excess waste from discarded bottles is shameful.
The answer is with our elected officials who are responsible for ensuring that all people in the USA and Canada have access to safe, clean drinking water.
But they are shirking their responsibilities and turning a blind eye to the rampant industrial pollution that is inevitably compromising the safety of all water.
If our elected officials were not so willing to drop their pants and bend over for industry (like the whores they are), this discussion would be irrelevant.
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Posted by: ld7440 on Oct 27, 2007 7:55 AM
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With Coca-Cola recently buying Vitamin Water, and the Aquafina scandal, I'm certainly not motivated to buy water in the store. Other companies (like GE) are finding ways to provide clean, drinkable water in other countries. I applaud their efforts. (Read bottled water report)
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Posted by: ld7440 on Oct 27, 2007 7:55 AM
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With Coca-Cola recently buying Vitamin Water, and the Aquafina scandal, I'm certainly not motivated to buy water in the store. Other companies (like GE) are finding ways to provide clean, drinkable water in other countries. I applaud their efforts. (Read bottled water report)
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Sign the TOTB pledge here: http://www.stopcorporateabusenow.org/campaign/
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