ain't "river" anymore in Egypt baby!

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From day one, Iraq has been a politicians'/corporate war and occupation. Life is just too precious to use it in the way this president has. He invaded a country after promising repeatedly that war would only be fought as a 'last resort', one of his most blatant lies, and all the while other options were available. After all, we did stand down bigger menaces during the cold war. Not having completed the task in Afghanistan, we had plenty of time to formulate a coherent strategy in Iraq. It was a war of choice, not of necessity; a war of convenience and timetable, not one of urgency. None of Bush's ever-shifting rationales and retroactive pretexts justifies the lives lost, people displaced, soldiers and civilians maimed, and the destruction of a country completely unrelated to 9/11. What for? To impose democracy at the point of a gun in a region where the popular vote could well yield fundamentalist Islamism? It would be the height of irony and folly to 'liberate' a country, only for them to elect an Osama BinLaden type. I heard Bush say he would rather fight the enemy in Iraq rather than in the streets of America, then told them to 'bring 'em on', which sounds like he's using our soldiers as magnets and bait. That is unforgivable, given that he avoided combat by hiding out in the champagne division of the Alabama Air National Guard, and it's questionable that he even fulfilled that commitment. Other than Powell, did any one of the war planners ever face combat? To them, war is an academic exercise; more akin to a video game than flesh and blood carnage they created.
I'd bet that if there were a Constitutional rule that before our soldiers can be sent into combat, a commensurate percentage of the adult children of the Congress and ruling administration would be subject to a random lottery draft, we would use more discretion in wielding American force. Wars would certainly be fought only when absolutely necessary. I don't trust anything this president or administration says anymore.

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pay for an ad on the comment page of The Guardian two months before the invasion. Under the heading of "misuse of public office" it stated:

Dear Tony Blair,
You said "Labour will change what is wrong" before you became prime minister in May 1997. In July, the Committee on Standards in Public Life called for a statutory criminal offence of misuse of public office to apply to everyone, including ministers and judges. You haven't implemented this (or answered letters about it). You've been more interested in supporting a "president" who was not properly elected. Bush's administration is little more than a consortium of oil company executives pursuing a suspect agenda. Their stated reasons for war don't stand up to scrutiny. We haven't been crying out for this war. There is a sensible and pervasive fear that terrorism may escalate out of all control if we back the use of violence in an already inflamed part of the world. We know for certain that international law will be flouted and human suffering will be multiplied. It's not as though you have grasped the nettle at home. There is still inequality in education, an impoverished health service, unsafe trains, unfair tax havens, a degraded environment, intimidating libel laws and treacherous courts. Are there really brighter prospects for the overworked and underpaid, the unemployed and homeless, students and pensioners? Why must we have fewer jury trials and more prisons and airport runways? Saddam is a bad guy, but he can also serve as a distraction from the public's disappointment. Look at two questions. How moral is it to kill perhaps hundreds of thousands of innocent people in an attempt to "take out" one very well protected individual? And how legitimate is it for you to spend our money on an enterprise for which there is no consensus when there is so much that is compassionate, constructive, worthwhile and rewarding that needs to be done here at home?

I didn't forsee the UK being implicated in torture and "renditions". But bad behaviour has been obvious from the beginning.

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Having demonstrated against this war before it even began, I am in despair for our nation. We had a chance to change course in 2004, but John Kerry could never find it in himself to oppose this war. When in 2006, the Democrats won the Congress by a bare majority, I had hope that it would be ended. But Nancy Pelosi gave away the most important weapon that she held, and the only one that I think had hope for ending the vast corruption of the national interest that the Bush/Cheney administration has become: impeachment.

There are hundreds of thousands of people who know this war is wrong, wrong, wrong, but the three major Democratic candidates still refuse to say it's time to go, and that's who the media watches. Lord knows,it won't be ended by Rudy Guiliani (another hawk who never served in combat) or by Mitt Romney or Fred Thompson.

I say a prayer every night that we won't wake up to the news that we've attacked Iran and set off what will be an endless conflict that will no doubt provoke more terrorist attacks on Western nations. But as long as this administration is in office, it's probably not if but when we will attack, and there will be no going back.

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I am proud to say that I never believed in this war, I never believed in Bush, and I never believed any of his lies and propaganda. I have never hated a person more than I hate this president and all of his cronies and all that they stand for. I want this president and all of his cronies impeached and tried as the war criminals they are. They should also be tried and impeached for their corruption. I hate this presidency for all it represents and what it has brought out about the citizens of this country. That said, what concerns me more than Bush - Cheney and their house of corruption is that we all sit back and just let it happen. Our country has become so complacent that we don't even demand an accounting of the various forms of corruption we hear about on a daily basis. Corruption that destroys our country, our constitution, and our reputation. We have allowed this presidency to squander away our financial security for the benefit of big business and a war that is a blackhole. We are hated throughout this world for our hyprocrisy and our "better than thou attitude." While this is happening, while the infrastructure of our country is crumbling and we move into a dark age, as we ignore the need for environmental change, as our country tortures prisoners, as we disallow advancements in stem cell research that could potentially save us from future suffering, as our children are uneducated and uninsured, as medical insurance, medical care and medications become available only for the wealthy, as big business is allowed to run rampant, as checks and balances are wiped out, as our young sons and daughters are slaughtered for a worthless war, and as what we have left of democrcy slowly dissolves into a dictatorship, we just sit back and pretend we don't see it or that someone will come along and fix it for us. We sit back, sigh and let Bush and his accomplices go on about their business of destroying our country in every way imaginable and lying through their teeth about it. Bush and his cronies aren't to blame as much as we are. If we didn't allow this to happen, it wouldn't, it's as simple as that. We yawn when we find out that we're being fed nothing more than propaganda, that we aren't getting true journalism anymore, and that we hear only what we are supposed to hear. We look away when one more scandal or one more corrupt venture is uncovered. Why don't we care? That's what amazes me, we know all these things and yet do nothing to stop it. So who is to blame for the mess we're in now, Bush? Bush is a whimp, he is a failed and miserable human being who is trying to make himself look big by thinking he is the president, "the decider." Bush can't even talk without reading his speaches and chances are he doesn't even know what he's saying. Bush is only the puppet for the real Bush presidency that occurs behind closed doors in seclusion and secrecy. Bush may not even be smart enough to know what's going on, or he is so deluded with the idea of being the president and finally in charge of something that his ego won't allow him to believe that he is still nothing. The Bush administration, with all it's evil, corruption, deceipt, and unimaginable incompetence only exists because we allow it to.

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The American public has become dispondent and disillusioned with its government and can find no answer to this problem.

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2/3/4 years ago. Suddenly he's seen the light. If the US had not ended up in this quagmire, 70% not 30%, would be still be gung ho in support of the warmonger Bush. Probably including most of the posters on this site. I am sorry to say that Americans in general have no respect or value for the lives of people other than themselves. 9/11 - what a tragedy!! What about the millions of Iraqis, most of them innocent bystanders, who have been killed, maimed or displaced IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY??!! I can never forget the image of the Iraqi boy who as a result of an American missile lost his entire family and lost both legs & both arms. When that happened, in the "good old days", did the USA open it's heart & offer to help the child. NO!!!! It was the Brits who did.
Americans, & I don't mean Bush & his fellow criminals, have a lot to answer for & the rest of the world will not forget easily.

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As long as citizens are convinced that their thugs are the worlds toughest thugs in a world of gangs run by thugs, then people will give lip service to moral issues, but that's about it. Unfortunately, you and other great journalists who emphasize only the moral issues and ignore the "practical" issue that casts a giant shadow over all discourse, aren't really helping matters much.

The question never asked or debated is whether our thugs really can accomplish their ends, keeping us safe and un-impoverished in the process? They certanly claim they can do so. Everytime they thumb their nose at the constitution, "get caught" torturing and respond defiantly, they enhance their gang-leader creds.

But evidence abounds that their claim to gang-lord supremacy in a world of gangs is extremely questionable. They are unlikely any longer to wind up "king of the hill" in a "clash of civilizations." This nation is incredibly vulnerable to attacks not upon our military, but upon our citizenry.

Whenever these kinds of issues are raised they are labeled conspiracy theory. Well, isn't Bushco brazenly conspiratorial in the way it operates? Secret meetings, plans designed without regard for legal precedent? In fact, highly devious machinations to subvert our legal system in service of the power of the few?

In other words, isn't it time to start talking what is the dominant issue for most people: Can these bastards really accomplish their thuggish goals?

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We should be wary of any form of exceptionalist thinking. America is a nation populated with humans, and humans have unpleasant weaknesses that lead to torture, pograms, and other cruel and totalitarian projects. The German people have been butts for this since WW2, as if only they could have done the things they did during that war. But other nations around the globe have committed comparable crimes. Go ask folks on the reservation what they have to say, or maybe remember slavery, or Civil Rights-era lynchings. Comparing our government officials to Nazis is sloppy thinking and avoids our own part in this. One poster above asked what this "we" stuff is all about. Well, we are U.S. citizens, so we shoulder this blame much more than any "Good German." The problem is quite simply that some of this crap is what some of us think means "Good American," and we should be dealing with that first and foremost. I'm not sure what name to call it, nor do I think calling names and applying labels is useful. It's better, albeit more stressful, to challenge it on a day-to-day basis as you find it.

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But how do you propose we 'wake up' our sleeping Congress?

Not a week goes by when I don't send two or three letters or emails to my Congress Critters. Or call them about some latest excess by the Bush administration.

I'm a voter. I pay my taxes. But I am ignored. How do you propose to fix this problem? The Congress no longer works for us. In fact, Congress works for itself.

Face it, America is dead. It died on 9/11 and everything that had meaning about the nation died along with it. All that shit that our grandparents fought for is gone. If it ever existed in the first place. Freedom? Democracy? Since when? How free am I when I can be rounded up and put in a hole to be tortured for the amusement of some sick fucker in my government? What sort of Democracy do we have when greater than 70% of our nation is against this war and actively opposes Bush, yet we're still there stuck and nobody is doing anything.

The Democrats could be shooting down and filibustering every bill that comes through Congress but they don't. They could make the Republicans work for every filibuster they want to do, but they don't. They could be impeaching Gonzales, Cheney and Bush for violating the Constitution and federal Law but they don't. They could pass a law in no uncertain terms refusing funding for the war and bring it back again and again and again changing one word each revision and effectively shut down Congress until the Will of the People is finally done. But they don't. Even though it is their duty.

Why? Politics. They know if they remove Bush they have to come up with someone who can fix the shit Bush has done wrong. But if they wait, they won't be running against Mitt Romney or John McCain or Rudy Giuliani they'll be running against George W. Bush's record and anybody can win against that.

So in the mean time they sit on their thumbs pretending to give a rats ass what you think. So you'll sit quietly and wait. Meanwhile the ideal of America is already gone and the only thing left is the gutted carcass that's left as Haliburton and other companies decide to leave the nation after they've picked it clean. Awful nice in Dubai these days.

We're Rome now. We're Nazi Germany. We've bankrupted ourselves because of our own arrogance and the only thing left is war. Funny thing is is only took 225 years to destroy America and it wasn't the Limeys or the Commies or the Gooks or Jerry or even Al Quaeda. It was one of our own that destroyed us.

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And it can be found right here. And if you don't think the vast majority of the people in this country would not act exactly like the Germans under Hitler, think again.

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For some, stomping around the world crushing other countries willy-nilly is a reasonable response to 9/11.

When you consider the crimes this Republican administration and congress has inflicted on America and the world, you have to hope they are long on their own invincibility and short on survival instinct. Even the possibility of being investigated for war crimes is likely to focus their minds exclusively on self survival. What won’t they do to save themselves?

Let’s hope they are confident of their ability to control events and avoid prosecution. Given the Democrats’ complicity every insane step of the way, that’s a certainty. Reagan got away with his crimes against humanity, and so will Cheney-bush. Unfortunately, most of our elected representatives become leaders twenty minutes after taking office. Leaders seize the reins of power eagerly but often ignore the part about representing the people.

Anyone who thinks they can dominate the world with nuclear weapons, becomes a target for others with nuclear weapons. Republicans twisted the horrors of 9/11 to their advantage and use it to escalate their Global Religious War to the limit. For what purpose?

Or is it a simple war of conquest, manifest destiny, survival of the fittest and all that Conservative Ideology stuff. Preaching and teaching self-esteem with Aryan Racism. Law & Order is whatever they say it is from moment to moment, which leaves us worried about slippery slopes and human frailty.

Are you religiously inclined to kill for the love of God?

Pray no one is.

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I'm 69. For the greater part of my life I wondered how the 'decent' Germans allowed Hitler and his mob to carry on as they did.
After the invasion of Iraq i wonder no more. A New Zealander, living in Australia
I watched aghast as the American, Brits and Australians did nothing, and then reelected their respective governments. Going from countries with rogue governments, to rogue countries in the process.
I heard people say: I don't care what happens to the Iraqis, just so as my interest rates do not go up.
I see the failure of the Democrats to act to stop the US's involvement in the war. I see both Democrats and Republicans blaming the Puppet government the coalition installed for the failures in Iraq.
What is wrong with everybody? Where are the demonstrations, the sit ins, the active opposition to this occupation?
The Americans, the Brits and the Australian people are in it up to their neck. They have been ever since they reelected the governments that joined the invasion.
I can only assume that they have no mirrors in their houses!

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What will happen when these mercenaries come home to America after the war? Are they going to disarm? Or are they going to advance their own political agenda here with the barrels of their guns? Blackwater employs over 40,000 "security specialists". And they are just one company. A shit storm is coming and we better be prepared to face it.

Good night and good luck...

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I've been saying this for quite some time.....

when America FINALLY (if ever) wakes up, we will have a lot to answer for.

When the majority of americans fall for the line, "only about 30,000 Iraqis have been killed and they've all been killing themselves, It's not OUR fault."

there's no real difference between that denial and the "gee, we didn't know there were concentration camps killing people." the Germans claimed after WW2.

So what's our excuse? Fox News made us do it?

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You know, it's all well and fine to bring in these members of America's "greatest generation," to comment on the wars today, but let's face it- the US didn't officially torture Germans or nuke them b/c Germans, during WWII, looked a lot like Americans. Lots of Americans still had ancestral ties to Germany.

Take the Japanese instead, and it's perfectly all right not to drop 1 but 2 A-bombs on them. A question: were torture tactics ever used on Japanese POWs?

Contrary to what these venerated veterans say, not much has changed today. Dark skinned, non-christian folks are the enemy in the GWOT. When they're just a little less human (ie, less white, less christian), it's quite a bit easier to treat them so.

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It shames me to say that Canada has blood on its hands too. We have an active combat mission in Afghanistan, which I believe to be doomed to failure. That, however, is not the worst of it. Canada is providing, directly and indirectly, material aid to the war in Iraq. Although our previous Prime Minister, Cretien, was able to say no to a combat mission, there is the still the fact that industry in Canada is benefiting from the War. An illegal war of aggression. What does that make us?

A lot of Canadians are pretty smug about the fact that we aren't fighting in Iraq. Not like those nasty American war-mongers. Yet, not many Canadians are aware of the fact that we are profiting from the death and misery.

I am glad to say that our media still has some plurality of viewpoints, and that we aren't easily swept up into patriotic fervor. Yet we still have the 'Support Our Troops' yellow ribbon industry thriving and the soldiers fighting in Afghanistan have a positive media presence. Enough of one that we now have a portion of one of Canada's main highways, hwy. 401, renamed the 'Highway Of Heroes' complete with a new sign sporting a poppy of remembrance. I have to drive on it everyday to work, and it makes me sick. Yet another rosy memorial to the righteous crusade, the poor killing and dying for the rich. Another legend to add to Canada's self-delusion as the world's peacemaker.

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Sent letters to the editors? Tried harder to reason with Hitler?
Said it was Ok to kill Jews but not torture them first?

We have already voted for Kerry-(rigged election) voted in a Democrat Senate (who voted to continue to fund the war) wrote and wrote protest letters to our leaders---now what?

Those of us who were kids in the 60's took to the streets when they started the draft-but there is no draft now. The government has got smarter. Milk is over $4 dollars a gallon now. Force poor families into total poverty so the kids JOIN the Army.


I don't see what is left ---outside of armed Revolution. Maybe this is why our government has been rounding up all the old 60's Weathermen lately-after being on the run for all these years. Maybe it is not so much payback-as to stop any REAL activist groups from organizing!

How much did the Weathermen contribute to ending the Vietman war? Quite a bit I would say. There were never many of them-but their actions did have the sympathy of lots of young people. Which is what really scared our government.

You don't need a Weatherman to know which way the wind blows.....after all Thomas Jefferson was a terrorist against his own established government-England.

I mean-just what are you suggesting here Alternet?

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Enough said.

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We have been lead down a road to this point, slowly seduced to accept the horrific as just another news story. Americans need to be taking to the streets demanding accountability. We should be foaming at the mouth angry at what is being done in OUR NAME. THis is our government. We the People...are condoning these acts because we have the mechanisms in place to rid ourselves of these fascists, yet we sit back and wait, therefore we are complicit in these crimes against humanity. People are being killed and tortured, and we are guilty.

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I used to tear up at Marine Corps bands in 4th of July Parades.
I love what used to be My Country.
Now I am ashamed of what the last 27 years of a concerted Republican collusion with Corporate Capitolism has done to my democracy. Read Naomi Klien, the economist, on the Milton Friedman spawned execution of the Shock Doctrine that effectively distracted and frightened us while Democracy was stolen. Where is the righteous indignation, the civil retort? Are we all asleep???

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It’s amazing.
Not once have I called a name or even labeled any one and yet I am labeled 4 times on this series of post alone.
I am glad I originally tried not to give away too much of what I do or where I live. I can only imagine what those of you would have said then.
bsdone – enlightening. Have faith. America can find the right person and put them in office, but not if people keep calling anyone with a thought that differs to their own “neocon-sympathizers” or “fascist.” Just won’t happen. Perhaps if you start here on this series of post, you could make a small difference.
brunowe –I live in Qatar. Many family and friends live in Iraq. Every one of them loves America. Sorry to burst any of the American media machine propaganda bubbles you are so wrapped in. If you know something about Spec Ops that has eluded me, please let me know. Working with them since before the Iraqi invasion I don’t seem to remember their absence.
Fearn – Patriotism??? You mistake actually seeing reality first hand and my ability to demonstrate an opposing view with Patriotism? See above – I don’t live in America anymore. The study you mention. You don’t get it. I am sure it has some truth, but I see every day that it is not all true. And I actually read the entire thing and did not pull the numbers from a paper or take pieces out of context to the rest. However, I will check to see who it was that shot up the hospital my sister works in last week. The last names werent Johnson or Smith though. War is evil – I am pretty sure I know that better than any of you. By the way – allowing the atrocities that took place in Iraq for so many years was evil as well. Most of my friends hated America, because you didn’t continue after Kuwait, and you helped Mogadishu, Somalia knowing what they faced in Iraq.
JSquercia –I see at least you gave it some thought before resorting to bashing, and then even tried to cover it up a bit. Bravo. I didn't vote. I did however support Mr. Kerry with campaign contributions.
Let me tell all of you the funniest thing about all of this. Nearly all the people who have responded to a comment from me, jumped in with American liberal propaganda rhetoric. One, whose every thought comes from a copy of newsweek, accused me of being a FOX News something or other. Haven’t seen FOX news in 45 days. Won’t see it for another 45 or so. Maybe, if I visit the embassy or an expensive hotel. I will bet however, that the poster is watching CNN right now to get a good come back to something I post later.
This is why those that hate America hate you. No opinion but your own is worth giving a chance as far as any you are concerned. On the other hand, I have met very few that wouldn't put up with that to live in your country. I may even return some day, but only after your military has secured my country.
May what ever God you beleive in, bless you all. For he has blessed me with the ability to see to speak with you this day.

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In his otherwise admirable article, Frank Rich doesn't mention that the Nazi tactics used in Abu Ghraib were the same ones the Israeli MOSSAD used against their Arab prisoners.

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Imagine this! The NY Times - the single organization that had the MOST resources and the BEST chance to stop this war before it ever started but chose to not now stands hypocritically accusing the public of complacency!

THE NYT had the resources to expose BushCo's phony claim about WMDs. Instead, the NYT as well as ALL the MSM chose to cheer-lead for the war. SO much so they should be given bright red cheerleader outfits complete with pom-poms with BUSHCO labeled across the breast and dropped into Baghdad..

It's not possible for the NYT to bring back the million people sent to a slaughter that could have never happened without the complicity of the NYT and ilk cheer-leading a war they knew as well as Hans Blix was as phony as Enron philanthropy. But perhaps they hand over their owners, editors, writers, and other propagandists for war crimes prosecution at an international tribunal, that would go some distance to restoring their credibility.

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Is our spending power and our labor...

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Among even the most obtuse of our citizens. They're aware that we've been repeatedly lied to by a crooked "administration" and almost everything it does in our name is bogus and illegal. What's needed now is for someone to fearlessly step up and loudly and pubilcly denounce this gang of vipers for what they are-career criminals to whom the welfare of our people is the furthest thing from their minds. It'd be nice if this certain someone is widely known as a humanitarian and a lover of our Mother Earth, the only home we have. It'd be even better if he possessed well-known credentials such as government service near the highest level, and awards of recognition of good deeds such as an Oscar, an Emmey, and most recently, the Nobel Peace Prize. This person should HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE by stepping forward, and our people would benefit greatly with this person speaking out for us.

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I think Americans are comfortable with Government hired Guns. We would rather start and pay companies to act as our soldiers than send our innocent children into a draft. That is why the American citizen 'peanut' gallery doesn't care what Blackwater does period.

That is why we need the draft...than watch how many anti-war protests there will be! Plenty as they don't want their precious babies fighting over there. However, they all cowardly support us staying there to 'fight them over there, instead of here BS!'

If our nation loves war, than all should be a part of it and that includes all youth in this country.

Corporate war...and hired guns is the answer to keeping the draft out of Bush's watch. Not on that 'chicken's, wimp, get of of Vietnam baby boy' Bush.

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I hope this article really gets a lot of traction. People, we need to take responsibility. Contact your congresspeople. Write LTEs. Demand accountability. End the war. Impeach. If not now, when?

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Hi! I am doing some research regarding people's opinions regarding the extent to which the US is becoming/has become "fascist" - I'd like to get your input:

http://tinyurl.com/2b97aa

Thanks!

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It's kinda funny that this article seems outraged at the complacency of the american people, but then doesn't actually recommend us doing anything. What should we do? Go on strike? refuse to pay taxes?

Don't tell me you think electing some other set of politicians is going to change anything. We can see what a democrat dominated legislative branch has gotten us: compliance.

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The only way to change is a revolution. Get violent. Letters to your Congressman don't even get read. Remember the Revolutionary war? Equality and rights etc aren't given to you, you have to fight and kill for them. As Americans we should defend the country against domestic enemies. The enemies of the American people are the politicians. It's our duty to stop our leaders from harming this country. They are not going to change anything due to peaceful demonstration. How far would peaceful demonstration have got against the British? Not far. Only violence and blood of the oppressors will change anything. You want your country back? Go and fight for it!

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If you liberals (progressives, socialists, whatever you are calling yourselves these days) would JUST go out and live amongst - or work with - the White Dumb-Ass American Peasants NONE of this “Good German” behavior would be soooo mysterious.

Peasants – of any color – will never question their daddy. Humans are natural authority worshippers, dumb-ass humans more so. When the liberals had the unions to control, the dumb-ass peasant were theirs to manipulate. However, when the liberals embraced the civil-rights movement in the 60’s - and sided with “those people” - the White American Dumb-Ass Peasants (WADAPs) have voted Republican ever since.

The WADAPs will NEVER question the ONLY party that offers them SOME hope of getting even with “those people” for what “those people” did to them.

Some examples:

Offer WADAPs health insurance. No way, “those people” are gonna get it too.

Tell the WADAPs their jobs are being sent overseas for the benefit of corporations. They’d say: better to lose my job than vote for a union-loving-liberal that’s gonna give my money to “those people”.

Tell the WADAPs their taxes are being spent on corporate welfare and a runaway fascist military society. … as long as those taxes aren’t being given to “those people” they’re happy. He’d rather have bombs than “welfare Queens”.

Ask a WADAP what his government is supposed to do FOR him; he’ll say, just keep my tax money from “those people”. The average WADAP can’t even comprehended the question of WHAT the government might do for the average WADAP. The WADAPs have been voting for 40 years to keep the government from doing ANYTHING for “those people”. The government is now - and always will be - the enemy of the WADAP. The gov'ment IS "those people".

The WADAPs are happily cutting-off-their-noses-to-spite-their-faces just to “get even with those people”. And, AND, you liberals are so confused about human nature that YOU are desperate to find someone OTHER than the WADAPs to blame. How stupid.

Sorry, this country is getting EXACTLY what my generation – what I personally wished for in the 60’s. Now, the WADAPs are going down the tubes… But, BUT, the WADAPs will still be voting Republican because – in their tiny fascist brains - “survival of the fittest” will eventually “prove” who the “true winning race” is. To bad you pathetic liberals can’t see what real human nature is like.

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Disturbing, but excellent column!!

Yes, 'ordinary Americans' have been co-opted by the global corporate Empire behind this facade of 'Vichy America', just as ordinary Germans and ordinary French were co-opted by the Nazi Empire and its phony agent government, ‘Vichy France’.

However, the degree of sophistication in the lures, lies, and Three Card Monte-like con of today's global corporate Empire (and its MSM handmaiden) in 'Vichy America' would make Goebbels' eyes water with admiration. After all, Goebbels’ limited PR could hardly hide from German citizens the fact that Germany had become a one-party Nazi Empire and that ‘Vichy France’ was a phony government run by the Nazi Empire. Whereas, today, in the much more sophisticated PR of 'Vichy America' the fascist Empire can hide behind a Three Card Monte scam of the twin phony Republican and Democrat corporate parties AND the corporate Empire’s MSM to con the American citizens. Today's American citizens, unlike Germans or French citizens in WWII, see what appears to be a functioning two-party system, which the MSM lies about as being a democracy instead of a hidden Empire.

Yes, Frank, the American people cannot totally escape responsibility --- which is why I have long said that we may lose our mortal souls if, as 'ordinary Americans', we allow the global corporate fascist Empire to turn us into Bush's 'willing executioners' for oil and Empire.

However, the primary responsibility, like the penultimate responsibility for all war crimes committed in a 'war of aggression' lies first and foremost with the senior officers --- the paid officers of the EMPIRE that launched this global 'war of aggression'.

Who were the senior political and media officials who were paid and benefited from the launch of this war of aggression, launched by the guileful Empire hiding itself behind the façade of 'Vichy America'??

They were the vast majority of the phony Republican/Democrat corporate Empire’s phony, two-sided government of ‘Vichy America’, AND the vast majority of the co-opted elite MSM shills for that Empire. In short, the entire phony and corrupted system of American politics and political media analysis is guilty of working directly for the global corporate Empire that has taken over our democracy and built the arrogant, vicious, global Empire hiding behind this carefully constructed, and UNMENTIONED façade of ‘Vichy America'.

Frank Rich's column makes clear what I have been saying on AlterNet, Op-Ed News, Common Dreams, and in emails to every US Senator for more than a year:

"As American people, we will very soon and very surprisingly be faced with recognizing and confronting the fact that we no longer live in either a supposedly 'exceptional' country, or even a normal country. We will be faced with the reality that we live in a virtual "Vichy America" which has been fully taken over by a guileful and disguised global Empire ---- just as France in WWII had been taken over by the Nazi Empire which installed the faux government referred to as Vichy France."

http://www.robkall.com/author/author4064.html

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I was angry that Frank Rich's op-ed ignored the many thousands or millions of Americans who objected to the Afghan war, and the Iraq war. I was part of the largest single group ever to stand in Rep Mike Rogers (R-MI) office respectfully asking him NOT to move forward in the obviously coming war in Iraq. Frank Rich writes as if we weren't there. The opposition spoke, but the administration, the media and the politicians ignored us. Were we supposed to blow something up in order to object to violence as a solution?

That, however, is the past. Bemoaning the failures to recognize what needed to be done serves little purpose. Now, though, we need to turn around and realize that it is not the past that threatens, but the future. The Bush administration, with most of the same cast of supporting characters, INCLUDING the less than vocal Frank Rich, is ramping up to a military strike in Iran. All the same moves, all the same signs, all the same signals.

Frank Rich: TURN AROUND... tell me, looking at what is coming in Iran, what are we to do? Tell me how to stop it.

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This is a very valid comparison. Hitler came to power from the ballot box and he was very popular in Germany during his rise to power. It is worth noting that the economy of the Weimar Republic can also be compared to America's economy today. We have not hit the point of 200% plus inflation as the USA economy collapses. However, as more and more USA dollars have to be printed to buy oil and keep the war machine going, it's just a matter of time. We are already on the "slippery slope" as USA civil liberties are gradually but inevitably scaled back and we are also not far from the "mandatory ID card," system that is used in most European countries today. Just consider that on human rights, America was at one time the "gold standard." Today, after Bush, America is just a laughing stock that has the gall to criticize regimes in Cuba and Russia. As for the scapegoating, of course during the Nazi period it was the Jews, however, today it looks like those on the Left, the dissidents and the radicals are plum for the picking. Surely, they are all "terrorists," who need to be "taken care of" by the state. Yes, in many, many ways, America can be compared to pre-Nazi Germany. The psychology of Bush and Hitler is not far off indeed.

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Here are words my 67-year-old father spoke to me yesterday:

"I saw this on the news, so it's factual. Socialized medicine doesn't work. The Canadians are all coming here."

My same-age father-in-law rolled his eyes when I told him that conservatives had raised a private army (Blackwater) and that many provisions of the Patriot Act could be used against American citizens, and said that my views were on par with people who blame the state of the world on UFOs.

There are a lot of people in this country who still get their news from television and newspapers rather than the Internet. Older people don't seem to grasp how distorted and untrustworthy television and print media are. They weren't taught to question it in their day - the fact that network news is brought to us ads from insurance and pharmaceutical companies, or that the news organizations are owned by for-profit corporations that need to play ball with the government and big business, doesn't impact their view of its reliability at all.

Psychiatrists tell us that the brain loses its ability to reconsider its beliefs and form new ideas as people age. A huge percentage of our population is now composed of people who can only question their beliefs and form new opinions with extreme effort and difficulty. They don't have the skills or ability to question the media, to understand that the America they knew as young people is gone, or that America is no longer the number #1 nation in the world by most quality of life measures. These people are easily swayed by "social issues," usually conservative ones, and don't see how dreadful our situation has become. And sadly, these people cast most of the votes. We are in an unnatural situation almost unheard of in human evolution where a large portion of our population is old. The entire mental landscape of society is distorted because we have so many old people whose minds are no longer flexible enough to even recognize, let alone deal with, the challenges that our society faces.

I'm a Gen X'er, and there were never enough of us to make a difference. I'm waiting with baited breath until all the Millennials can vote. That generation has a huge task ahead of it - saving the world.

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Can you say a little more about that here?
Interested in reading about that.

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The main problem with the essay, whose conclusions are totally valid, is that Americans have been ignoring their own corruption and moral inferiority for a far longer time than just the last six year of the Bush debacle. No matter the justifications given, the Truman decision to drop a second nuclear weapon on Japan certainly ranks up there with gross inhumanity and reckless arrogance of power. And every president since then has authorized similarly barbaric acts. Americans lost their humanity and good name a long, long time ago. All Bush has done is to expose the corruption and to try to defend the indefensible.

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Madam speaker,

Have you forgotten your oath, to uphold and defend the constitution from all enemies foreign and domestic?

Wiretapping, secret prisons, extraordinary rendition, torture, chemical weapons used in war, unilateral treaty breaches, abuse of National Security Letters, the departure of Habeas Corpus, private mercenary contractors making campaign contributions,Guantanamo Bay, to name a few are violative of the Constitution you have taken the oath to defend.

I respectfully submit that the failure to intervene on behalf of the Constitution and the protections it affords us as American citizens makes you complicit in the destruction thereof and would warrant your resignation, or impeachment.

Impeachment of the President and Vice President would be too gentle and ineffectual an action. Criminal indictments would be more appropriate for the President, the Vice President, the ex Attorney General, and the Secretary of Defense.

Criminal Negligence should be considered as charges against all the foregoing. Yet you have taken impeachment "off the table."

Remember please, the Constitution was written to give us "civil liberties", or "personal freedoms" from the government. To protect us from the government. It is inappropriate for you to allow those enumerated rights to be compromised in order to allow the President to spy on us, deceive us, and claim to keep us safe. That action on your part is an outrage!

Perhaps you lack the testicular fortitude to take action on behalf of the American people to protect them from the government as mandated by the Constitution. As the first woman acting, or should I say posturing as speaker of the house, surely you can appreciate that thought. May I humbly suggest that posturing is not acting in the best interest of the greatest country in the world.

Newt Gingrich, or another man never would have stood for this ongoing and fraudulent abuse being perpetrated by the executive branch against both Congress and the American Constitution, and the patriotic Americans who elected you to defend us.

This fanatical Administration is not done. There will be much more abuse, and the obvious attack of Iran, threatening our economic viability, and even the potential for Martial Law. This Administration must be checked by what could be a co equal branch of government.

There should be no greater priority on the calendar. It is further suggested that no funding for this misguided occupation of Iraq and presumably the filling of the black ops war chest for Iran should be provided until the administration provides proper information to Congress in a timely manner as it must.

It is respectfully urged that you either stand up, or step down!

Respectfully,


Raleigh, NC

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Good day all,
New here so forgive me if I haven't recognized all the protocol yet.
I just want to warn you against "BTDT" and "truthwatch9."
I won't call them liars, as they do get some of their information correct. Whether they sunstantiate it or not is irrelevant. They don't care.
They have both been to a number of forumns of every genre, and just seem to argue for the sake of arguing.
I cannot be sure these are the same guys, but the banter seems similar

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As I said, I am new to Alternet and this discussion.
I assume by what I am reading that everyone is opposed to the War in Iraq -- at least to some extent.
I am particularly interested in what some of you have to say.
Mr/Mrs Brunowe, you seem particularly knowledgable about a lot of what is really happening in Iraq. How do you know the numbers of people from what countries are where?
This would be interesting to see this somewhere. Some of what you have said is different than what I have seen, so finding another source would be appreciated.
I am also interested in knowing how everyone feels about the fight in Afghanistan.

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It is good to see some of this thought getting posted.
A new government is indeed needed. A completely revised government actually.
But getting the voice of the people heard is the first item of business. That cannot happen when we name call or degarde entire groups of people because we are angry with who is running this country.
We cannot expect people to follow the rules, if we do not do so ourselves. That would make us just like them.
Take the post here for example -- the rules state no personal attacks, excessive profanity, etc.
Read the post and tell me how many of the rules are broken. Don't justify it though -- just count.
If you think soldiers are fools, then you should teach them differently. The problem with the approach on this site is that you call them fools first, then expect them to listen. I know many military people who read the blogs and the webnews, including this one.
One of you slammed a poster (albiet he is a trouble make) for being a Marine. Nothing in any of his post resembles any Marines I know, and you would have lost the vote with all of them for your statemnet, even if they agreed with you.
Calling for blood is such a contradiction to all the rest of the thought here. Those that jumped on that bandwagon, state they abhor violence in other post. How is anyone suppose to beleive where you stand tomorrow. Are you ust a do nothing rabble rouser, or do you really want change. I can't tell when you break your own rules and then contradict your own opinion all within the spand of two days.
To be heard you need some consistency. Using facts like brunhowe is also a good tactic.
Rhetoric gets us know where. Look at all the rhetoric and name calling done last election, the opposition did the same thing, the opposition won.
Hello, wake up.
A coherent, explainable foundation for a platform is what is required to win (and money of course). One that has actual answers about what will be done, instead of simply saying we won't do it that way.
If you all truly want to be the voice of America as it would seem most do. If you all truly want to save our country from the politicians you hate -- speak with a tempered truth when and where it counts.

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In the eve of the invasion he said,"it will be something like
when you open a tomb,you do not know what is in there".
Every time I see all that carnage in Iraq,I think about his
words.By the same token,I believe Iraq will be the fuse for
the next adventure in Iran,then the great one,confrontation
with nuclear Pakistan,the ultimate horror.Again Gore Vidal
words apply.Perhaps then we may think about our passibity.

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Moreover, there are cronies on campuses trying to whip up fervor for more torture and war on Iran through what they call "Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week." Very scary stuff. Check out the
YOUTUBE VIDEO: Expose "IFAW"
and another YOUTUBE exposure of it!
Pass this along!

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People become "good Germans" when they're either complacent or too scared to speak up. In this country, it's mostly the former. By destroying both the Earth, and indigenous people and their cultures in both this country and in others, Americans have become obscenely rich. Due to their priorities being materialistic, they can't be bothered about trivialities like politics. In fact, most Americans get upset if you try to discuss politics, a phenomenon peculiar to this country.

So we end up with a country of immoral jerks who think it's OK to plunder other countries and kill their people for things like oil, or who just don't want to discuss such matters and will vote for fascists like the Clintons to assuage their guilt (or who vote for fascists like the Clintons because they don't realize the Clintons are fascists, because they can't be bothered to find out what the Clintons actually do and stand for).

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Glad to see someone from the New York Times now can finally recognize full-blown Nazism when he sees it.

Same tactics; different asshole; different targets.

There is nothing so ugly and such a waste as when purity falls to the depths of depravity. The US was never pure, but it was supposed to be.

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I am sure we will see Frank Rich arrested in Washington DC during the next anti-war demonstration. He has the money to get there and knows that talk is cheap. I'll bet one of the next stories he writes will be about his real-life encounter with the U.S. Gestapo. He is such a tough guy with integrity! And he knows who doesn't have it. 


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Bush and Co. (including the MSM) are die-hard zionists. Only Israel benefits from these endless Middle East wars. Iraq is the beginning. As we commit war-crimes in Baghdad, the US gov't commits treason at home by opening mail, eliminating habeas corpus, using the judiciary to steal private lands, banning books like America Deceived (book) from Amazon and Wikipedia, conducting warrantless wiretaps and engaging in illegal wars on behalf of AIPAC's 'money-men'. Soon, another US false-flag operation will occur (sinking of an Aircraft Carrier by Mossad) and the US will invade Iran.. Then we'll invade Syria, then Saudi Arabia, then Lebanon (again) then ....

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Invading a sovereign nation

Using radioactive weapons (DU has a half life if 4l3 billion years..what does that say for genetics, soil, water, air and not only in Iraq)

Numerous Treaty Violations of course including the Geneva Convention

Violations of International Law

Constitutional violations and on and on

What of our military committing all these violations after taking oaths to uphold the Constitution? What of them violatiing treaties and International Laws...will anyone every be held accountable for the atrocities? Fir the very serious violations? What is it, anything goes in the name of the almighty fucking dollar? What if the some of these countries decided to go Euro since our dollar is wirthless, do we start a war with them too because of it..because we are losing our control of their economy? Several nations have been threatening to do just that. How are we justifying our US military violating so many laws and going unpunished? And our government ordering them to do so. I thought the military didn't have to do anything that violated the laws.

Will we all be marched off to the camps because we dare speak our minds? We really are good Germans aren't we? Well, at least the sheep will have it easier...

Just in case you haven't noticed, the internet is now heavily censored. Lots of information that was once there is gone..foreign news sources to to mostly report the WH version of whatever news they are given. Putin and now China would like a piece of us if we attack Iran.
Every year the eligilbility income for FoodStamps is lowered to throw more people off them..same for Medicaid...I don't even know if we still have the choice of "paper or plastic" anymore. Di You?

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About 60 years ago, emerging from a dark, dark time in Europe, W Reich expressed a question which was as urgent and relevant then as it has remained into our present: Why is it that the masses (or the multitudes) desire their own repression? There's a need for us to ponder the question honestly to ourselves.

Everybody's wrong, deceived, propagandized, to blame. . . (except me, of course!)

Democracy or liberty are not made real by just reciting the words -- we must remember that when legislation is passed relaxing and/or modifying strictures against torture, we will be then countered that "we are a nation of laws, we follow the Rule of Law."

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We're addicted to the resources, so we're complicit. All the conveniences and comforts to which we have been born and accustomed -- all the petroleum, really -- is so deeply seated in our economic and cultural life that we quail at the prospect of the sacrifices it would require of us to turn away from them. All of our squawking about the war is hollow as long as we fill our gas tanks to go motoring on the weekend.

Writing letters to our representatives is a feel-good exercise unless we ALL take it upon ourselves to radically curtail business as usual. That's the only thing that will make them take notice.

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I was informed by Alternet that it is okay to call for killing of individuals as long as you use generic terms such as politicians. Does this mean using a generic term like “whites” is okay to use as well when calling for people to rise up and kill?
Does anybody else at this site see this as a problem?
If not why is it okay?
How can a visitor to a site like this possibly find credibility when the same people who claim war is violent and should never happen, condone killing people with opposing political views?
Are users here so caught up in the Anti-right campaign that they cannot see the hypocrisy?
I know some of you are rather logical people with well thought out concerns. Do you agree with calls for violence or do you hold true to your view that violence is wrong?
I also know some will tell me how that is just talk and no one here would ever actually kill anyone. But talk like this can incite violence whether you specify a name or group regardless of how generic it is.
Don’t people here condemn politicians and pundits for using the generic word Islam or Muslim?
I though I found a site of balanced discussion when I found Alternet. I knew it was founded in Opposition to Right Wing media, but most post seemed to be from people who were truly concerned and educated on the subject matter instead of rash zealots.
Somebody tell me I was right, because if all I have to go on is the reply from Alternet, I know I am wrong.
I also know someone will tell me, “If you don’t like it, you don’t have to come here.” You will be right. But I enjoy the discussions here. I enjoy the fact that most people though very strong in their convictions are at least open to discussion. I just want Alternet to enforce there own rules and to make sure that credibility this site has is not marred by a few over reactive zealots.
For those who usually like to start the name calling – please feel free to label me whatever you want.
I’m sure that rule in the terms of agreement means about as much as the rest of the rules here at Alternet.

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Let's see, Hitler had a Jewish Grandmother, a Jewish Cook, a Jewish Doctor, a Jewish Chauffeur, a Jewish Speech Trainer, a Jewish Banker, a Jewish Lawyer, he helped out many Jewish Business men, Prescott Bush along with JP Morgan and some of the most influential American companies financed his endeavours.

As a matter of fact, he was a puppet for the Ashkenazi ZioJews whose sole raison d'être was to take back Palestine which they consider to be their "HOMELAND".

Hitler's job was to scare the "regular Jews" off to Palestine to fight Arabs in the desert so the ZioJews could fulfill their evil ambitions. Hitler was "Jewish", or at least part "Jewish". He had the graveyard in his hometown razed to cover up his origins.

When the ZioJews say jump, the USG doesn't just jump, it HOPS, SKIPS and JUMPS.

When people realize that they are fighting these wars, including WWI, WWII, and most in between, and now WWIII, for the ZioJew Disneyland agenda, they might decide to quite sending their children in sacrifice of that inhumane cause.

You can bitch about the Bush or Putin Puppets or the other ZioJew Puppets all you want, but the ZioJews "own" the USA, Russia, and most of the countries in the world. They own, or control the MSM, Hollywood etc etc etc.

Gore would have brought in Lieberman, another ZioJew, to do their bidding, so it's hard to say things would have turned out much different, maybe less inefficiency, but those wars have been on the boards for many years, and they ain't done yet...

Congress won't take on the ZioJews, they make or break politicians. Jesus took them on and look what happened to him.

Lord, help us all!!!

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On campuses across the U.S., there is a concerted effort to silence critical thinking and dissent under the guise of "academic freedom" and "Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week"...
This stuff is really dangerous and should not be taken lightly:

GREAT SITE WITH LOTS OF INFO/PLANS/ETC.:
DefendCriticalThinking.org

RECENTLY CREATED BY PROFS: Ad Hoc Committee to Defend the University (PETITION)
Petition

VIDEOS:
"Horowitz and Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week" ( www.worldcantwait.org)
YOUTUBE VIDEO

"Expose 'IFAW'" (independent)
another YOUTUBE video

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The reinstatement of he draft would bring this "war" to an end and the sooner the better. The contnued use of the NATIONAL
Guard is appalling. Bush will destroy the guard, the country and everything else the loser touches...our family was related to who was considered the worst President in history - Buchanan - Bush and his evilness will win hands down and what a sad commentary for our country.

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Americans Have Become 'Good Germans' By Frank Rich, The New York Times.

Yeah, right, BLAME the VICTIMS of the INSANE ZIO-NAZI GWOT which the NYT has helped create and continues to escalate: It is no secret that the NYT is part of the ZIO-NAZI-JEW propaganda machine. The NYT can line up with the rest of the pseudo-liberals like Bill Maher etc etc. ZIO-JEWS control the right-wing, the left-wing and the center politicians and they’re sending Hillary in to carry on their evil bidding. They will probably slap Lieberman on as Vicey just before the election…

Either way: the choice will end up being between ZIO-JEW “Republican” Candidate “whoever” and ZIO-JEW “Democratic” Candidate “whoever”. “Freedom of choice” my derrière!!!

"We [ZIO] Jews regard our race as superior to all humanity, and look forward, not to its ultimate union with other races, but to its triumph over them." (Goldwin Smith, Jewish Professor of Modern History at Oxford University, October, 1981)

"Zionism was willing to sacrifice the whole of European Jewry for a Zionist State. Everything was done to create a state of Israel and that was only possible through a world war. Wall Street and Jewish large bankers aided the war effort on both sides. Zionists are also to blame for provoking the growing hatred for Jews in 1988." (Joseph Burg, The Toronto Star, March 31,1988).

"There is scarcely an event in modern history that cannot be traced to the [ZIO] Jews. We [ZIO] Jews today, are nothing else but the world's seducers, its destroyer's, its incendiaries." (Jewish Writer, Oscar Levy, The World Significance of the Russian Revolution).

Hitler was a ZIO-JEW puppet whose MISSION was to scare the regular ol’ Jews off to Palestine to fight the dirty ZIONIST apartheid-war against innocent Arabs. The extent of their evil is unknown to most and very meticulously and subliminally hidden in every Hollywood movie, every newspaper article, main stream or alternative, every commercial etc.

To them, we all just “suckers” who think we are “free”.

Pink Floyd hits the nail on the head in their “Us and Them” song, they only left out one little "detail", which I have [added] for the sake of clarity:

Us and Them
And after all we're only ordinary men
Me, and you
God only knows it's not what we would choose to do
Forward he cried from the rear
And the front rank died
The General sat, and the lines on the map
Moved from side to side

Black and Blue
And who knows which is which and who is who
Up and Down
And in the end it's only round and round and round
Haven't you heard it's a battle of words
The poster bearer cried
Listen son, said the man with the gun
There's room for you inside

Down and Out
It can't be helped but there's a lot of it about
With, without [Zionist-Israel]
And who'll deny it's what the fighting's all about
Out of the way, it's a busy day
I've got things on my mind
For want of the price of tea and a slice
The old man died

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