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Putting the 'Israel Lobby' in Perspective

By Mitchell Plitnick and Chris Toensing, Middle East Report Online. Posted October 31, 2007.


The idea that U.S. foreign policy would be saner without the "Israel lobby" is a fallacy.

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John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt's 82-page paper "The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy" has entered the canon of contemporary political culture in the United States. So much, positive and negative, has been written about the March 2006 essay that the phrase "the Mearsheimer-Walt argument" is now shorthand for the idea that pro-Israel advocates exert a heavy -- and malign -- influence upon the formulation of U.S. Middle East policy. To veteran students of Middle East affairs, this idea is hardly new, of course. But the fact that two top international relations scholars affiliated with the University of Chicago and Harvard University's Kennedy School of Government, respectively, have espoused this analysis has lent it unprecedented currency. Farrar, Straus and Giroux will publish a book-length version of the professors' argument in late 2007. Along with President Jimmy Carter's volume Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid, "The Israel Lobby" (as the paper is commonly known) has opened up a debate that many members of the lobby have long sought to suppress.

Like Carter, Mearsheimer and Walt have faced ugly and unsubstantiated allegations of racism for drawing attention to the imbalance in U.S. Middle East policy and the lobby's clout. Walt's Harvard colleague, Alan Dershowitz, labeled them "bigots" and "liars," and the Anti-Defamation League accused them of promulgating "a classical conspiratorial anti-Semitic analysis invoking the canards of Jewish power and Jewish control." Reams of angry newsprint later, these kneejerk cries of anti-Semitism have not registered and for good reason. Plainly, a lobby that is universally recognized by Washington insiders -- and even promotes itself -- as one of the few most powerful in the country is influential. Saying so cannot be inherently anti-Semitic.

The related allegation of sloppy research is also silly. In December 2006, Mearsheimer and Walt released a point-by-point rebuttal, perhaps not coincidentally also 82 pages long, of the charges of poor scholarship leveled by Benny Morris, Martin Kramer and others. Almost every charge was a misreading of the original paper. Nor is "The Israel Lobby" "piss-poor, monocausal social science," as political scientist and blogger Daniel Drezner would have it. On the contrary, the text is full of caveats and qualifiers.

The essential flaw in the Mearsheimer-Walt argument is not, as many critics have said, the authors' exaggeration of the pro-Israel lobby's power, for although the authors do this in some instances, the thrust of their argument remains sound. It is not even their inattention to the other factors that have historically defined the U.S. interest in the Middle East for the bipartisan foreign policy establishment. Rather, the most serious fault lies in the professors' conclusion -- soothing in this day and age -- that U.S. Middle East policy would become "more temperate" were the influence of the Israel lobby to be curtailed. This conclusion is undercut by the remarkable continuities in U.S. Middle East policy since the Truman administration, including in times when the pro-Israel lobby was weak. And other factors -- chiefly the drive for hegemony in the Persian Gulf -- have also embroiled the United States in plenty of trouble.

The Cold War prism

Mearsheimer and Walt issue a broad indictment of their subject. "No lobby," they write, "has managed to divert U.S. foreign policy as far from what the American national interest would otherwise suggest, while simultaneously convincing Americans that U.S. and Israeli interests are essentially identical." Has the lobby's influence always explained U.S. support for Israel? This question is crucial because it helps to define the extent to which that influence explains U.S. policy toward Israel today.

From the day in 1948 that President Harry Truman announced his support for the creation of a Jewish state in Palestine, Israel has held a special place in the hearts and minds of many Americans, Jewish and otherwise. The fledgling state was more European than Middle Eastern in orientation, providing common cultural ground. The mythos surrounding the creation of Israel and the sympathy generated by the horrifying tragedy of the Holocaust played major roles in shaping popular American sympathy in the 1960s and 1970s, when the "special relationship" between Israel and the United States was cemented. Christians, including many African-Americans, responded warmly to the narrative wherein a plucky people, fleeing horrific persecution and age-old prejudice, made the desert bloom in the Holy Land and stoutly defended their new polity against all comers.

On the official level, Israel found its early sources of support elsewhere, while working tirelessly to build support in the United States. After Israel's decisive victory over neighboring Arab states in 1967, the United States committed itself more and more to what might be called "the Israel track." The reason, however, was neither a domestic lobby nor a sentimental soft spot among policymakers for the Jewish state. The reason was that policymakers saw the Middle East through the prism of the Cold War.

Concern about Soviet backing for Egypt had led Lyndon Johnson, while a congressman, to oppose President Dwight Eisenhower's determination to force Israel to pull out of the Sinai and away from the Suez Canal in 1956, without some move toward changing the status quo. The outcome of the 1967 war, entailing the humiliation of Soviet-allied Egypt and Syria, strengthened President Johnson's conviction that Israel was a useful Cold War asset. After the war, an anonymous State Department official told the press: "Israel has probably done more for the United States in the Middle East in relation to money and effort than any of our so-called allies elsewhere around the globe since the end of the Second World War. In the Far East we can get almost no one to help us in Vietnam. Here the Israelis won the war singlehandedly, have taken us off the hook and have served our interests as well as theirs.” Aspiring chief executive Richard Nixon -- also not known for philo-Semitism -- supported Israel vigorously on the 1968 campaign trail, pursuant to a visit to Israel the previous June, when he met wounded Egyptian soldiers in an Israeli hospital. There he wrote down an Egyptian tank commander's complaint: "Russia is to blame. They furnished the arms. We did the dying."


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Mitchell Plitnick is director of Education and Policy for Jewish Voice for Peace and a regular columnist for Tikkun Magazine. Chris Toensing is editor of Middle East Report, published by the Middle East Research and Information Project.

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Making It Simple & Clear
Posted by: NoPCZone on Oct 31, 2007 1:09 AM   
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I do not wish the influence of any foreign government or any lobby representing the interests of a foreign government playing in US politics- period. Just as I do not wish the born-again loonies to be running and ruining our country, I do not wish to see Zionists running it either.

That's not anti-semitic- it's just a desire that our nation's politics not be held hostage to the interests of foreign interests of any sort.

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» RE: Making It Simple & Clear Posted by: VZEQICVA
The Lobby in the Balance
Posted by: writerman on Oct 31, 2007 1:26 AM   
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I tend to agree with most points in this article. It's sober, rational and non-partisan. Whilst one would be foolish to underestimate the influence of the "Israeli lobby" in the United States, one shouldn't over-estimate its power either.

The United States is perfectly cabable of massive strategic blunders in the Middle East without Israel's "help", though when things go disasterously wrong it's convenient to have a fallback position which puts part of the blame on Israel.

Put very bluntly, the US is only really interested in the Middle East because of the vital resources it contains, namely oil and gas. It's been this way for more than half a century. Control of this region is of vital, strategic importance. It's probably the single most important source of economic power in the world.

If the Middle East produced bananas, the "Israeli lobby" would have very little real influence in Washington. Or rather that influence would be confined to the area of bananas! On the other hand maybe I'm underestimating the importance of the poweful "banana lobby"! United Fruit and others lobbied successfully for US military intervention in Latin America for decades to protect their interests, so maybe that's a bad example? Or maybe it shows that the US is adept at merging it's economic and political interests when it needs to, much the same could be said of the Middle East.

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The War Parties are in Charge ...
Posted by: mmckinl on Oct 31, 2007 1:36 AM   
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AIPAC doesn't represent most Jews in the United States as the Likudnicks don't represent most Israelis, but the War Parties are in charge.

Labor in Israel is afraid of their Military Industrial Complex just as are the Democrats in the U.S.. Both countries are engaged in the fear mongering of their populations and the pilllaging of their critics with the traitor card.

And while they are whipping up a fear frenzy at home they are both engaged in secret treachery and subversion against their so called enemies provocating the very acts that complete their vicious circle of war mongering.

Both societies have been taken hostage but that will not mitigate their fate.

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One rogue state is just as dangerous as two rogue states
Posted by: Perfectclue on Oct 31, 2007 3:40 AM   
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The combined corruption, warmongering powers of America and Israel, with its corrupt corrporate lobby, AIPAC, is the issue. It is bad enouch we have our own Christian fascists to contend with, we do not need mulitiple Zionist lobbies to encourage our lunatics to invade Iran. That is the issue. The policies are similar and parallel, but it is like pouring grease on fire when you have the combined corporate fascist, zionist, liberal war hawks all justifying Israel's illegal invasion of Iran, not to mention our own illegal role in encouraging Israel to do so and giving them the green light, so that the appeasing class liberals once again join with republican warmongers as a unified shock force for corporate, imperial fascism.

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Very good
Posted by: PJT on Oct 31, 2007 4:53 AM   
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I think this article is fair and thought-provoking. I have a question. Imagine this scenario: a president is elected who speaks thus:

1. Israel IS an anachronism, a colonialist confection, an expression of guilt, territory seized from brown skinned, indigenous Arabs, not responsible for the Holocaust, who were expelled in great numbers so the white skinned European Holocaust survivors could live there. Why weren't the Germans expelled from their territory and the land turned over to the Holocaust survivors for their use?

2. Israel now is a fact, here to stay, so we have to make the best of it.

3. Israel must return to the 1967 borders, evacuate all settlements and compensate all the victims since 1967.

4. There will be no right of return for the displaced Palestinians.

5. All attacks on Israel must cease; all attacks by Israel on Palestinians, Syria, Jordan, Egypt, Iran, Iraq must cease.

6. The entire region becomes a nuclear-free zone.

7. A UN force will monitor peace keeping and compliance with the nuclear-free edict.

8. Anybody who violates the peace will be doomed.

What would the Arab countries and the Palestinians do if America did that? Would the Islamists still attack Israel and the US? If so, then there is no solution except all out war, eventually.

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» RE: Very good Posted by: brunowe
» RE: Very good Posted by: whoever
Proud to be called an anti-semite
Posted by: pierrot on Oct 31, 2007 4:58 AM   
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AIPAC or the evangelical christians - their influence on government has reached ridiculous dimensions and Wertheimer & Co are of course right and beeing called an anti-semite these days by the zionist lobby for denouncing Israeli state terrorism is a compliment they can be proud of. At any rate, in view of Israels crimes, systematic violation of the Geneva Convention, of Human Rights Convention, the biggest since WWII, the notion of 'anti-semitism' has simply become irrelevant and has merely become a tool of instrumentalization by the zionists.


What matters undoubtedly most in the present context - 9/11, war on terror, Irak, Iran ... - is the deeper reason for all that mess. One single factor stands out but is never mentionned neither by politicians nor by the press (this is its true failure, not the complacent repoting leading to the invasion of Irak). The absolute taboo in the political and media landscape of the USA: THE builing by Israel of countless criminal civil settlements in the occupied territories over an incredible periot of time of 40 years since 1967 in FLAGRANT VIOLATION of the Geneva Convention, countless unanimous UN resolutions (Saddam greets you), of the human rights convention, of the Hague convention, etc, etc. ... and, according to israeli court decisions, even against Israels own laws!Israeli state-terrorism, strangulating millions of perfectly innocent Palestinians (they have nothing to do with the holocaust and had no say at all when the US dominated UN confiscated their land to create the state of Israel in 48!).
These criminal racist, facist settlements are the biggest, cheapest and most crapulous crime since WWII, blindly supported by the 'model child' of democracy, the United States of America, with 100 bio $... If this happened to the US, every american would volunteer to defend his homeland with even the prospect of a heroes(!) burial in Arlington. But by a curiouse twist in teh american mind, when Palestinians do it they are Terrorists!!!
This evidently and understandably led to ... perfectly legal self defence actions by Palestinians (and their allies) ever since - from the attack at the Munich Olympics in 72 ... to the foundation more than a decade later(!) of self-defence organizations like Hamas, Hizboullah and eventually al Quaida ... and eventually to self inflicted 9/11.

How come the US media never ever mentions the biggest crime against humanity in recent history?? ... allowing ultimately Bush to start his war against (none existing) terror - the only terrorist beeing most evidently Israel.

Conclusion: without these criminal jewish settlements (this is NOT an anti-semite statement!) there would be no so called palestinian 'terrorism', no suicide bombings, no 9/11, no invasion of Irak and no (stupid) need for Amadinzad to denie the holocaust and no need for him to call (most stupidly) for the destruction of Israel (in fact this plays directly in the hands of terrorist Israel ...) and no talk about imminent war with Iran.

Condy, wake up! Tell Israel TODAY to stop its unilateral(!) agression of the Palestinian people and abandon UNCONDITIONALLY the criminal settlements. Asking the Palestinians to stop violence and to desarm BEFORE Israel the terrorist is ready to talk peace, is like beating a child and asking it to stop crying before you stop beating it - absurd - but that's the synics of US /Israeli politics which allowes Israel forever not to make peace.

For 40 years, the day the US orders Israel to stop, abandon and restitute these criminal settlements to their legal owners, the Palestinians, threataning with economic sanctions or military intervention (Saddam greets you), the whole world will embrace you ... again.

Israel shall exist and prosper within the borders of 1967, but not this criminal facist Israel.

Long live Jimmy Carter. ... and Wertheimer

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» RE: Why would you say that? Posted by: ifiwerepresident
The Nazi-Zionist-Fascist-Terrorist State of Israel
Posted by: sunshipway on Oct 31, 2007 6:09 AM   
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Also known as: Disneyland

An ace is an ace, and a spade is a spade, still....

And anyone who supports its racist-Apartheid policies is party to the crime....

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AIPAC is on tap but not on top. They don't run our policies. Defense industry also key.
Posted by: yellow on Oct 31, 2007 6:32 AM   
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I wrote a detailed post on another thread that got no response but was a quote from an official US Airforce Online publication. In the article the writer noted that in the summer of 1982 the IAF shot down 86 Syrian MiG 23 fighter jets with US f-16s. The invaluable opportunity to test the F-16, which came out in 1978, in live battle with the enemy's most modern planes only four years after they (F-16s) come into production is a huge motivation by itself for the US to support Israel. This is part of the cold war effect and no one responded to my pointing it out. It might also be noted that since then the US and Israel have shared pilotless aircraft technology and in the 1980s the Israelis came out with the Unmanned Combat Aircraft Vehicle (UCAV) and it was used by the US in Bosnia, Somalia and Haiti. The US/Israeli military axis is key part of the relationship. BTW, when Israeli defense industries tried to manufacture their own fighter plan called the Lavi the Pentagon told them to scrap it and continue using the F-16 which is exactly what they did. Looks like the tail doesn't always wag the dog. When the US pushes for its real interests regarding its relationship with Israel it gets its way!!

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Please apare us such "analysis"
Posted by: MichaelG on Oct 31, 2007 6:34 AM   
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Please spare Alternet readers any and all supposedly serious analysis of the US-Israel relationship that excludes mention of Israel's unprovoked, cowardly, and deadly attack on the USS Liberty (AGTR-5) on June 8, 1967. The attack, which took the lives of 34 American military and civilian personnel and wounded 171, was a deliberate act of war against the United States of America. Israeli air and naval forces' two-hour attack on the USS Liberty, and the subsequent cover-up of the attack by the Johnson administration, sent an unambiguous, enormously informative, and chilling signal to everyone who learned of it: U.S. political leaders will quite literally let the leaders of the government of Israel get away with murder. The attack is the only one of its kind that has not been investigated by the U.S. Congress. There have been congressional investigations of the attacks on the USS Pueblo, the USS Stark, the USS Cole, and others, but Congress has persistently refused, for decades, to open an investigation into the deliberate Israeli attack on the USS Liberty.

In 1967, the USS Liberty was the most sophisticated intelligence ship in the world, with dozens of large antennas, including a large moon-bounce "satellite-dish" mounted on a tall structure near the stern. It may have been one of the most easily identifiable ships of any navy in the world. With a displacement of 10,000 tons, it was four times the size of the antique Egyptian transport Israeli officials have claimed it resembled. Freshly painted, the Liberty carried 10' high white identification numbers on its bow. Egyptian hull markings are painted black.

According to American survivors, a 5' by 8' American flag was hoisted early that morning and was flying all day until it was shot away by attacking aircraft. Within several minutes, it was replaced by the giant 9' by 13" holiday ensign, which flew for the duration of the attack.

Quite obviously, no analysis of the relationship between the US and Israel can legitimately claim credibility absent a substantive exploration of the attack on the USS Liberty and the continuing cover-up of that attack.

Articles like Plitnick's and Toensing's, which attempt to erase the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty from the pages of history, serve only to further alienate Americans who are rightly and deeply disappointed in Israeli and American Jews and others who abuse their good will.

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» "I will not embarrass an ally." Posted by: dustdevil
» Then get over it!! Posted by: yellow
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» RE: Puppet Posted by: jackofdiamonds
AIPAC subverts our political process
Posted by: dustdevil on Oct 31, 2007 7:10 AM   
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"Though the United States paid dearly for that decision with the Arab oil embargo, the next year, aid to Israel topped $2 billion. As in subsequent years, much of this aid was pumped back into the U.S. economy in the form of arms purchases, giving the American arms industry a strong interest in the U.S.-Israeli strategic alliance."

Everything I have read about our aid to Israel indicates American arms are part of the aid package. I don't think they have to use aid money to buy from us. My guess is, they use a good portion of that money to buy our politicians or to defeat US politicians that are not pro-Israel. Cynthia McKinney (D-Georgia), was defeated when AIPAC backed a cross-over Republican to run against her. McKinney had been outspoken about Israel's treatment of Palestinians and the 911 attacks. The Dems have learned how to deal with AIPAC. They now take AIPAC funding and do their bidding. If they don't, like McKinney, they are gone.

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It's ALL About the $$$
Posted by: wawa on Oct 31, 2007 7:23 AM   
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The U.S. gives more than $7,023,288 per day to the Israeli government and military and gives no money to the Palestinians.
-http://www.ifamericansknew.org/


As of 2006, Senator Hillary Clinton has received $54,618.00 from Pro-Israel PAC Fund donors.

THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE what she is taking from them during her presidential run:


"New York’s junior senator, Hillary Rodham Clinton, is expected to snare the lion’s share of the Jewish community’s substantial political donations in the race for the 2008 Democratic presidential nomination…money from Jewish donors constitutes about half the donations given to national Democratic candidates…Clinton will get most of the Jewish community’s money, “first, because she’s going to receive the lion’s share of all [Democratic] political money, and second, because she and her husband are enormously popular with the Jewish community,” said Democratic strategist Steve Rabinowitz, a Clinton supporter…Clinton, he said, “has personally proved herself to the Jewish community on Israel… http://www.forward.com/articles/
hillary-the-favorite-in-race-for-jewish-donations/


"During a Hanukkah dinner speech delivered on December 11, hosted by Yeshiva University, Clinton prattled, "I held a series of meetings with Israeli officials [last summer]…in each of these meetings, we talked at length about the dire threat posed by the potential of a nuclear-armed Iran, not only to Israel, but also to Europe and Russia…It became even more clear how important it is for the United States to stand with Israel ..." http://www.counterpunch.org/frank01032006.html



President George Washington warned in his Farewell Address of Sept. 17, 1796, "The nation which indulges toward another...is in some degree a slave...a passionate attachment of one nation for another produces a variety of evils."


PS-Senator Joe Lieberman has a career total of $363,851 PRO-Israel PAC Funds, as of 2006. [page 22, July 2007, The Washington Report On Middle East Affairs]



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Boy did you open up a can of worms with THIS one...
Posted by: xbj on Oct 31, 2007 7:43 AM   
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The only lobby we need to worry about is Mossad's videotape of Marvin Bush planting thermite in the WTC in the weeks leading up to 9-11. THAT'S the real source of some pretty hefty blackmail power over the Bush Administration.

AIPAC is their cover, and only works on Congress and the MSM, and was there before 9-11 and might be there long after Bush is toast.

But the real power is in those tapes. But a message to Mossad: they'll be utterly worthless when Russia and China nuke the US over their attempted nuking of Iran.

Not worth it, folks; RELEASE THOSE TAPES NOW. Before Cheney pushes that button and you destroy Iran BUT GET THE US WIPED OFF THE FACE OF THE EARTH.

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RODNOX
Posted by: RODNOX on Oct 31, 2007 8:31 AM   
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JUST ANOTHER GOOD REASON TO NOT VOTE FOR HILLARY.............

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Israel and Saudi Arabia are the two leading colonial managers for the U.S. in the Middle East
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Oct 31, 2007 9:13 AM   
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THis is well-written article but it unfortunately ignores a major feature of U.S. policy in the region - namely, the support for radical Islamic fundamentalists as a anti-Soviet bulwark. This includes CIA support for the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt and Syria in the 60s and 70s, as well as the vast amount of military support given to the Afghan "freedom fighters" (who met Reagan in the White House).

There is also a question here of which lobby is really more influential - the Saudi Lobby or the Israeli lobby? Both countries have unique "special relationships" with the United States. Vast amounts of petrodollars that flow to the Saudis are reinvested in U.S. and British financial systems, and this involves all kinds of questionable practices - famously, there was the BCCI scandal, and now you have the underreported BAE bribery scandal.

Israel isn't much better - many of the Russian mafia that came to power with the aid of Boris Yeltsin and the IMF/World Bank system have taken their ill-gotten goods and moved to Israel's Gold Coast. Robert Baer wrote about this (excerpt available here) in Sleeping with the Devil: How Washington Sold our Soul for Saudi Crude.

That brings us to the heart of the problem: the Middle East is where most of the world's remaining petroleum is, and everyone wants to control it. The U.S. strategy ever since the British and the French were kicked out in th 50s has been to use Israel and the Saudi Royals as the local overseers of the region.

This brings us to the subject of Israel's nuclear arsenal, put in place during the Cold War. Why would the U.S. want a nuclear-armed Israel in the Middle East? Nuclear weapons are a unique form of threat. Everyone knows Israel has this nuclear arsenal, but niether the U.S. nor Israel want to see any public discussion of this issue, and the U.S. media politely obliges. Why is that?

However, there's still a problem: you can't actually use nuclear weapons against people. So, this leads to another problem: where do you put the military bases? Military bases can be used to launch conventional assaults, which, unlike nuclear ones, are still acceptable. Putting military bases in Saudi Arabia was a bad idea, as the religious fundamentalists (also funded by the U.S.) viewed this as desecration of Muslim Holy Land, understandably.

So, this brings us to the PNAC plan - go into Iraq, pacify the country, stick military bases all over the place, control the oil flow and, since Iraq has huge untapped reserves, you more or less control the global oil market and the oil price, allowing you to keep Russia and China in a submissive position. Typical alpha-male chimpanzee thinking.

Notice, in all this, the total lack of empathy for the ordinary people of the region in the minds of the Washington planners, the Saudi Royals, and the Israeli politicians. Complete absence - the people of the region are nothing but an inconvenience that interferes with the extraction and distribution of the oil reserves. The Israeli politicians view the Palestinians the same way that the Germans viewed the Jews, Gypsies and Russians during World War II, and the terminology is the same - cancer, cockroaches, rats. The right-wing U.S. politicians view the Arabs the same way - ragheads and camel jockeys who don't know what's good for them. The Saudi Royals are no different - they are feudal overlords who look on their peasantry the same way they look at their camels - useful at times, but entirely expendable.

Evil, they say, can be defined as the lack of empathy for one's fellow human beings.

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"ANTI-SEMITE"? GIMME A BREAK!
Posted by: AlohaTerry on Oct 31, 2007 9:43 AM   
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Most of the Zionists are Russian Jews; They are not even "Semites".

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Semites
Posted by: frank69 on Oct 31, 2007 10:58 AM   
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All Palestinians, many Egyptians, Syrians, and Lebanese. All Jordanians, many Iraqis, some Turks and Kurds. Some Ethiopians, Eritrians, Yemenis, Sudanese, and Saudis. The Israelies from the aforementioned countries.
The bulk of Israelies are indeed of European, Russian, BeloRussian, Ukranian, and US origin. None of these Israelies are Semites.

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I DON'T BELIEVE IN ISRAEL
Posted by: WitchyNy on Oct 31, 2007 2:19 PM   
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I DON'T BELIEVE IN PALESTINE
I DON'T BELIVE IN IRAQ
I DON'T BELIEVE IN AMERICA

There is only the rich and the powerful
against the poor and the powerless

AND THAT'S REALITY

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Israeli WMD's Are the Problem/Actions Show Who the Boss Really Is
Posted by: sofla100 on Oct 31, 2007 2:52 PM   
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The USA is busy beating up Iran and Syria, but, makes no mention of Israeli nukes. This alone (Israeli nuclear weapons) gives Israeli tremendous leverage in dealing with Arab countries. Not one would dare to attack and risk nuclear armageddon. Yet, the USA is busy beating up Iran. A country that has been provoked relentlessly into assuming possible nuclear development and does this to preclude probable invasion. What the USA needs to do is declare a path of peace, a committment to a nuclear free Middle East. And, it begins with Israeli dismantling her nukes and WMD's. All this talk about AIPAC's influence or non-influence, etc., is otherwise just poppy-cock. Actions speak a thousand times louder than words. And, with the USA pumping billions every year into Israel and giving her advanced military hardware, why do we even question who has the influence here?

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If you're not sure about the power of AIPAC
Posted by: fanchmd on Oct 31, 2007 7:10 PM   
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If you're not sure about the power of AIPAC, take a look at the positions being taken by our "leading" presidential candidates. The history in this article is interesting, but when we focus on the present situation, it remains clear that the drumbeat to war with Iran is heard most clearly from pro-Israeli sources, particularly AIPAC. And its influence on the heavily moneyed candidates has been powerful.

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Worth a look
Posted by: Democratic Socialist on Oct 31, 2007 11:31 PM   
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"In foreign policy he tries to bring nations into a state of unrest, to divert them from their true interests, and to plunge them into reciprocal wars and in this way gradually rise to mastery over them with the help of the power of money and propaganda." linked text

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This Story is a Transparent Whitewash...
Posted by: Number_6 on Nov 1, 2007 3:39 AM   
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...on so many levels I don't have time to list them.

There is nothing natural about Israeli influence on Washington and vice-versa. This is a union born of two-faced nightmares likely to implode the world to hell on earth before it's over.

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Wake Up
Posted by: higginslads on Nov 1, 2007 12:50 PM   
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"If I were an Arab leader I would never make terms with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country . . . We come from Israel, but two thousand years ago, and what is that to them? There has been anti-semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They only see one thing: we have come here and stolen their country. Why should they accept that?" --David Ben-Gurion, Israel's first prime minister, speaking to Nahum Goldmann, president of the World Jewish Congress

"We can talk as much as we want about our good intentions; but they understand as well as we what is not good for them. They look upon Palestine with the same instinctive love and true fervor that any Aztec looked upon his Mexico or any Sioux looked upon his prairie...Thus we conclude that we cannot promise anything to the Arabs of the Land of Israel or the Arab countries. Their voluntary agreement is out of the question. Hence those who hold that an agreement with the natives is an essential condition for Zionism can now say “no” and depart from Zionism. Zionist colonization, even the most restricted, must either be terminated or carried out in defiance of the will of the native population. This colonization can, therefore, continue and develop only under the protection of a force independent of the local population – an iron wall which the native population cannot break through. This is, in toto, our policy towards the Arabs. To formulate it any other way would only be hypocrisy." --Vladimir Jabotinsky (1923), who led a group that split from the main Zionist congress, and preached a militant form of Revisionist Zionism. The leaders of the Revisionists in pre-WWII Palestine founded two terrorist organizations - the Irgun, and the even more extreme Lehi.

"Our race is the Master Race. We are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves." --Israeli Prime Minister Menechem Begin

"One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail." --Rabbi Yaacov Perrin (NY Daily News, Feb. 28, 1994, p.6)

"The treatment meted out to Jews in Germany and other European countries is a disgrace to its authors and to modern civilisation; but posterity will not exonerate any country that fails to bear its proper share of the sacrifices needed to alleviate Jewish suffering and distress. To place the brunt of the burden upon Arab Palestine is a miserable evasion of the duty that lies upon the whole of the civilised world. It is also morally outrageous. No code of morals can justify the persecution of one people in an attempt to relieve the persecution of another. The cure for the eviction of Jews from Germany is not to be sought in the eviction of the Arabs from their homeland; and the relief of Jewish distress may not be accomplished at the cost of inflicting a corresponding distress upon an innocent and peaceful population." --George Antonius, historian and author of "The Arab Awakening," served in the British Mandate of Palestine, quoted in 1938

"Anti-Semitism is nothing but the antagonistic attitude produced in the non-Jew by the Jewish group. The Jewish group has thrived on oppression and on the antagonism it has forever met in the world." -Albert Einstein, in Collier's Magazine, November 26, 1938

SEMITE: A member of a group of Semitic-speaking peoples of the Near East and northern Africa, including the Arabs, Arameans, Babylonians, Carthaginians, Ethiopians, Hebrews, and Phoenicians.

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Wake Up
Posted by: higginslads on Nov 1, 2007 12:59 PM   
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"The wealthy, crowded, progressive Jewish State lies in the plains and on the sea coasts (of Palestine). Around it, in the hills and the uplands, stretching far and wide into the illimitable deserts, the war-like Arabs of Syria, of Transjordania, of Arabia, backed by the armed forces of Iraq, offer the ceaseless menace of war . . . To maintain itself, the Jewish State must be armed to the teeth, and must bring in every able-bodied man to strengthen its army. But how long would this process be allowed to continue by the great Arab populations in Iraq and Palestine? Can it be expected that the Arabs would stand by impassively and watch the building up with Jewish world capital and resources of a Jewish army equipped with the most deadly weapons of war, until it was strong enough not to be afraid of them? And if ever the Jewish army reached that point, who can be sure that, cramped within their narrow limits, they would not plunge out into the new undeveloped lands that lie around them?" --Winston Churchill, quoted in 1937...more than ten years prior to the establishment of the state of Israel on May 14, 1948

"I should much rather see reasonable agreement with the Arabs on the basis of living together in peace than the creation of a Jewish state. Apart from the practical considerations, my awareness of the essential nature of Judaism resists the idea of a Jewish state with borders, an army, and a measure of temporal power no matter how modest. I am afraid of the inner damage Judaism will sustain - especially from the development of a narrow nationalism within our own ranks, against which we have already had to fight without a Jewish state." --Albert Einstein, 1950

"Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it."
--Ariel Sharon, responding to his foreign minister Shimon Peres after Peres warned Sharon that refusing to heed incessant American requests for a cease-fire with the Palestinians would endanger Israeli interests and "turn the US against us," broadcast by Israel Radio on October 3, 2001...The radio said Peres and other cabinet ministers warned Sharon against saying what he said in public because "it would cause us a public relations disaster."

"The tragedy of the people of Palestine is that their country was ‘given’ by a foreign power to another people for the creation of a new state. The result was that many hundreds of thousands of innocent people were made permanently homeless. With every new conflict their numbers increased. How much longer is the world willing to endure this spectacle of wanton cruelty? It is abundantly clear that the refugees have every right to the homeland from which they were driven, and the denial of this right is at the heart of the continuing conflict. No people anywhere in the world would accept being expelled en masse from their country; how can anyone require the people of Palestine to accept a punishment which nobody else would tolerate? A permanent just settlement of the refugees in their homeland is an essential ingredient of any genuine settlement in the Middle East." -Message from Bertrand Russell to the International Conference of Parlimentarians in Cairo, February 1970."
Reprinted in The New York Times, Feb. 23, 1970.

"The Israelis control the policy in the congress and the senate." --Senator Fullbright, Chair of Senate Foreign Relations Committee: 10/07/1973 on CBS' "Face the Nation."

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Wake Up
Posted by: higginslads on Nov 1, 2007 1:02 PM   
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"The pro-Israel lobby does most of its work without publicity. But every member of Congress and every would-be candidate for Congress comes to quickly understand a basic lesson. Money needed to run for office can come with great ease from supporters of Israel, provided that the candidate makes certain promises, in writing, to vote favorably on issues considered important to Israel. What drives much of congressional support for Israel is fear - fear that the pro-Israel lobby will either withhold campaign contributions or give money to one's opponent." --Jim Abourezk, former Democratic senator from South Dakota.

"I am aware how almost impossible it is in this country to carry out a foreign policy [in the Middle East] not approved by the Jews..... terrific control the Jews have over the news media and the barrage the Jews have built up on congressmen .... I am very much concerned over the fact that the Jewish influence here is completely dominating the scene and making it almost impossible to get congress to do anything they don't approve of. The Israeli embassy is practically dictating to the congress through influential Jewish people in the country." --Secretary of State John Foster Dulles, quoted on p.99 of "Fallen Pillars" by Donald Neff

"Federation played a major part in Jewish life throughout the world. There is a federation in every community of the world where there is a substantial number of Jews. Today there is a central movement that is capable of mustering all of its planning, financial and political resources within twenty-four hours, geared to handling any particular issue. Proportionately, we have more power than any other comparable group, far beyond our numbers. The reason is that we are probably the most well organized minority in the world." --Nat Rosenberg, Denver Allied Jewish Federation, International Jewish News, January 30, 1976

"I was much more deeply devoted to Israel than I dared to assert . . Fortified by my knowledge of Israel and my friendships there, I myself wrote most of our Middle East commentaries. As more Arab than Jewish readers recognised, I wrote them from a pro-Israel perspective." --Max Frankel, former executive editor of The New York Times, from his memoirs

"Anti-Semitism is nothing but the antagonistic attitude produced in the non-Jew by the Jewish group. The Jewish group has thrived on oppression and on the antagonism it has forever met in the world." --Albert Einstein, in Collier's Magazine, November 26, 1938

SEMITE: A member of a group of Semitic-speaking peoples of the Near East and northern Africa, including the Arabs, Arameans, Babylonians, Carthaginians, Ethiopians, Hebrews, and Phoenicians.

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The Israel lobby: "We have an 'unwritten contract' with the American media"
Posted by: higginslads on Nov 1, 2007 2:52 PM   
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Read it here: linked text

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Thin
Posted by: johndoraemi on Nov 1, 2007 3:30 PM   
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Israel and its interest are a strong component in the foreign policy equations (both Democrat and Republican). This essay only seems to focus on the Republicans in power now.

No one said that Israel runs the US. It is a heavily influencing -- disproportionately influencing -- and malignant force in Washington.

Nothing in this piece mentions the tremendous MEDIA power that Israel's sympathizers wield in this country. Media is also power.

"The central theme of this paper, however, is promoting Israel as a regional hegemon independent of the United States. Far from encouraging U.S. action in the service of Israeli interests, this paper was entirely rooted in the idea that Israel must quickly wean itself off U.S. support and exert its proven ability to dominate the region militarily on its own."

Any time they want to send back the $150,000,000,000 in taxpayer monies I'm sure we'll be glad to cash the check. The idea that Israel wants to just say no to our money and weapons is pretty laughable on its face.

The other part of this history, missing in the above essay is the Palestinian side. When they created their Jewish homeland, it was on somebody else's property. When they treat the Palestinians the way Jews were treated in the Warsaw Ghetto, this is essentially a war crime. When they continue to invade "settle" the Palestinian lands, this is by design and with the full approval of the state of Israel and its army, which protects the new invasive settlements.

The war crimes against Lebanon last year are never described as such. And Israel is never sanctioned or facing international penalties for its numerous war crimes. So they in fact get away with murder, with impunity. That is no prescription for getting them to stop.

Cut all US aid to Israel immediately. Stop using our weapons and tax money to invade, occupy and steal other people's lands. That's my opinion on the Palestinian/Israeli "question."

Crimes of the State

See also:

Defending the Indefensible: Noam Chomsky's 9/11 Spin

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Here's what our support for Israel amounts to...
Posted by: higginslads on Nov 1, 2007 7:09 PM   
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"Israel's parliament last week approved by an overwhelming majority the first reading of a bill to ensure that much of the country's inhabited land remains accessible to Jewish citizens only -- a move described by one leading local newspaper as turning Israel into a "racist Jewish state"

Anthology of bigotry

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