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Emotion Trumps Logic in the Voting Booth

By Terrence McNally, AlterNet. Posted October 24, 2007.


All logic points to Republican losses in 2008. But logic doesn't vote -- and logic doesn't win elections.

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An August op-ed in Kenya's Daily Nation included this sentence: "The candidates will do well to go out and buy a book entitled The Political Brain: The Role of Emotion in Deciding the Fate of the Nation, by Drew Westen." Quoting the article's author, Charles Onyango-Obbo, "Westen has studied elections over the years, and found an inconvenient truth: People almost always vote for the candidate who elicits the right feelings, not the one who presents the best arguments."

Closer to home, as Westen points out, the Republicans led by Karl Rove consistently beat the Democrats at playing to the electorate's emotions. All logic points to Republican losses in '08. But logic doesn't vote -- and logic doesn't win elections. Will the Democrats once more snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, or can they finally learn the crucial lesson that hearts lead minds? Drew Westen weighs in.

Drew Westen received his B.A. at Harvard, an M.A. in social and political thought at the University of Sussex (England) and his Ph.D. in clinical psychology at the University of Michigan. For several years he was chief psychologist at Cambridge Hospital and associate professor at Harvard Medical School. He is a commentator on NPR's

All Things Considered and teaches at Emory University.

Terrence McNally: Your Ph.D. is in clinical psychology. You were chief psychologist at a hospital. What was your path to your current focus on politics?

Drew Westen: I think that's a question I've never been asked in about 200 interviews. As a clinical psychologist, I do research in psychology and neuroscience, but I've also been a practicing clinician for 25 years. Many might assume it's an easy move from studying personality disorders to studying politicians.

As a clinician, when people are talking with you, you're listening to hear what's whirring in the background. What thoughts and feelings are connected in the back of their heads, leading them to do things they wish they could stop doing? You're also listening for things they're in conflict about.

In many ways, you're listening for the same thing in politics -- or you should be. What is whirring in the background when people get angry about immigration, or when there are only two flags burned a year, but they cast their votes based on flag burning? What's getting triggered? That's the piece that I think is continuous between my life as a clinical psychologist and now as a political strategist and adviser.

McNally: Thomas Frank's big question in What's Wrong with Kansas was why do people vote against their own self-interest? And that's the same thing that a clinical psychologist is looking for, isn't it? Why do people behave against their own self-interest?

Westen: Over the last year, I found myself speaking to a lot of Democratic and progressive organizations -- particularly donors who've been giving lots of money to the Democratic Party and watching it go down the tubes. Almost invariably we get the question from somebody, "So what's the matter with Kansas? How come people are voting against their self interest?" And my response was often the same, "Well, what's the matter with you? Here you are, someone with the wealth to contribute to a Democratic campaign, which means you're in the Republican tax bracket, yet you're voting against your own self-interest. You're doing it because of your values. And that's the same reason that a lot of voters in Kansas are voting against theirs."

As much as anything else, it's the role of a leader to set the emotional agenda for what values are most central in an election year. And that's where I think Republicans have been so much more effective than Democrats over the last 40 years.

McNally: Why did you write this book?

Westen: To tell you the truth, I've always followed politics carefully. I still remember to this day sitting in my living room with a group of people watching Michael Dukakis offer that horrible answer about what he would do if his wife were raped and murdered -- which Bill Maher has summarized as "whatever."

What really got me to write this book was having two little kids. Looking at the world that this administration -- and at that point, the Republican Congress, who was pretty much rubber-stamping anything they asked for -- were leaving my kids. I just couldn't stand it anymore.

McNally: Everyone writes a book hoping it matters, but you've touched a nerve, people want to know what you've got to say. Why do you think that's so?

Westen: I wish I could say, well, of course it's a brilliant book, and that's why people are reading it, but I'm enough of a scholar of intellectual history to know that the times are often ready. It's in the zeitgeist. Ideas are brewing in the air, waiting for somebody to spell them out systematically. In some ways, all I've really done is to articulate an idea that many of us understood in our gut.

When I say to you "the environment," do you feel anything? Probably not. Or I say to you, "consumer affairs." Go through the list of words that we on the Left use to describe things, and you'd have no idea that they matter to us. Emotion is central to everything we do in politics. It's what arouses people's interest as well as their motivation. Values actually matter. People on the Left have values just like people on the Right. We have competing value systems, and we ought to be enunciating exactly what those are so that people can make a choice. I think those are things that people were waiting for somebody to say in a way that they could hear.


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Military out-hacking Diebold hacking is what wins elections
Posted by: xbj on Oct 24, 2007 1:45 AM   
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And pray that the true patriots in the military do it again, to right the wrong of 9-11. Why? Because it wasn't what it was cracked up to be, BushCheneyCo are quite content to utterly destroy and decimate military manpower to keep their gravy train running.

The military can't occupy the Mideast with expensive robots; not yet anyway. They need and give a damn about the men BushCheneyCo piss away.

It was very good to see BushCheneyCo. sucker punched in the nuts after the last election; carry on, Patriots.

Although you might have to lock them up to prevent the nuking of Iran and China's and Russia's overwhelming nuclear response long before the election. They didn't get the message you sent last November.

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Give me control of counting a nation’s votes and I care not who makes the laws
Posted by: KaptainSpiffy on Oct 24, 2007 3:17 AM   
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right this moment america is now the land of the greatest fraud ever perperptrated on the people of the world.

we win!

usa! usa!

we're number 1! we're number 1!

*dies of heart attack due to obesity and diabetes*

*is buried in unused and rusting export shipping crate*

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Voting?
Posted by: LMNOP on Oct 24, 2007 5:09 AM   
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I'm a little intrigued that we're still talking about major American elections as if they reflect anything other than the will of the Republican Party and the corporatocracy.

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» RE: Where were YOU last November? Posted by: Iconoclast421
» Correction Posted by: LMNOP
» RE: Where were YOU last November? Posted by: oregoncharles
» RE: Intriguing Posted by: Lincoln fan
» RE: Off topic, but also intriguing Posted by: Lincoln fan
I'll vote for the handsomest
Posted by: anothername on Oct 24, 2007 5:30 AM   
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Drew Westen talks about reasons versus emotions and reinforces his own message by saying he wrote the book because he thought about his children’s future. This is a common theme in politics, to claim it’s for the children, but creating that future requires concrete ideas.

As I have written on Alternet before, in 2003 and 2004 I was pushing the issues Bush raised as president. However, most of the campaign activists I encountered only wanted to talk about how evil Bush was and how voting for John Kerry would stop Bush. Nobody explained what Kerry would do as president, however. In contrast, non-campaign workers were demanding to know where Kerry stood on non-war issues and in what direction he would lead the country. The day after the November 2004 election, the progressive media was filled with quotes from Democrats realizing that they should have been talking about issues and not just about how they hated Bush.

Here we are in 2007, and emotions are being thrust at us. Vote for Hillary because she’s a woman. Vote for Barack because he will include all of us in a group hug. Vote for Edwards because we liked him last time. Hillary’s numbers are rising; I suspect that’s because people hear universal health care and think that’s what she’s proposing. Barack’s numbers are slipping as more people realize he doesn’t have a focus beyond the hug message. Edwards and Bill Richardson’s numbers are holding steady because they have not presented any issue that will break them out of the crowd.

I don’t think the issue is emotion vs. logic. I think it is the difference between viewing elections and politics with blinders on versus keeping eyes open to catch peripheral messages and ideas.

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» RE: I'll vote for the handsomest Posted by: anothername
Two Birds with one Stone
Posted by: US Citizen on Oct 24, 2007 5:35 AM   
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I suspect that Cheney and Bush will kill two birds with one stone. Some night while we are all asleep, they'll bomb Iran, Iran will retaliate, and Bush and Cheney will fire off a major war. The country will go into a paroxysm of patriotism for the dead US. soldiers who have been killed. Bush will declare martial law, suspend the election in time of war, and continue to rule.

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» RE: Two Birds with one Stone Posted by: US Citizen
» RE: Two Birds with one Stone Posted by: jbur816
Thank for This Article
Posted by: MeridaLady on Oct 24, 2007 7:40 AM   
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People in the U.S. are very emotional & angry. Many would rather die than ever admit they were wrong. It is very sad state of affairs & the Democratic party has not even tried to find a way to reach all those angry, indignant people. It is a shame they can't find a simple way to relate beneficial change and it would also be very helpful if, at the same time, the Democratic candidates would actually admit to their specific individual agendas with passionate commitment. Bill Clinton was the last Democratic candidate that had the strength to do that. Your article is right on. Thank You.

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» RE: Clinton? Posted by: oregoncharles
Many voters are dumb and emotional
Posted by: ReallyBearish on Oct 24, 2007 7:53 AM   
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But some issues and self interest will obviously trump "values". Nothing like a good economic and financial disaster to wake up Joe and Mary Stupid from their pleasant, restful sleep. They'll face the loss of their home, job, self respect, etc.

Go back to the 30s Depression and note how well those Republican "values" of the 1920s lasted.

One last note: for all of the "emotional" silliness of Karl Rove, Bush actually lost his two Presidential elections and required fraud and polical manipulation to get into the White House. Right now, Bush's poll numbers are approaching what I call the "Martian invasion line"-- that is the number of voters so ignorant that they would actually vote for an invasion of Mars in the war on terror.

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The party's are shifting- many Republicans will move
Posted by: DrSuess on Oct 24, 2007 8:17 AM   
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For most of my life I voted Republican. I would have described myself as a moderate Republican, because I cared about things like education and the environment- but I also cared about tradition. Neither the Republicans nor the Democrats really fit my belief system, so no one candidate agreed with everything that mattered to me. I had to pick and choose. The value that won out was the idea of "big" verses "small" government. The Republicans sold themselves as "balance the budget, run the country well, take a business like approach to government activity." The Democrats were "spend like drunken sailors, double the size and scope of government and create the nanny state." I was aware of other issues like social justice- but they did not touch my life.

Taxes touched my life. Every time taxes increased on the "rich" my tax bill shot up. I was a well paid computer programmer with a $60K salary. I sat down and figured out that I paid more in taxes and other government forced deductions than I paid for my apartment, my car, and my food COMBINED. Over 50% of my salary vanished in federal income tax, state income tax, fica, etc. Look at your pay stub closely and you will see what I mean.

That is a big bite. It is such a huge bite that it really mattered to me. The tax issue was my touch stone issue. It was the one that moved me from the middle to the Republican side most of the time. I have trouble thinking of it as "irrational"; though I have to admit it was emotional. I got very emotional about how much the government was taking.

But in the last few years, my issues have changed. I am no longer as emotional about the tax bite as I am about the job loss that is happening in America. In the 2003-2005 range, something like 1/4 of all American computer programmers experienced excessive unemployment. I call excessive unemployment as a period that lasts more than a year. I have contacted experienced computer programmers, and about 1/4 of my friends took a massive downsizing in their employment for over a year. The manager that I had in 2002 went under when his company did, and worked along side his son stocking bookshelves at Borders. Similar changes happened to many American computer programmers as "outsourcing" slammed us. I literally went ballistic when I heard that the Republican Party had outsourced its computer programming to India. That to me was the ultimate betrayal.

I am the exact type of Republican that Bush has cut his ties with. Everything that once attracted me to the Republican party- Bush has now moved away from. The very things that once attracted me to the Republican Party now repel me from it. The "big" vs. "small" government now plays better for the Democrats than it does for the Republicans.

Bush has changed the face of the Republican Party, and the Republican candidates have stamped that change even deeper into the party. The "old" Republican Party used to be the rich and the middle class. "Poor" people voted for Democrats. I am aware that I am stereotyping things here- but I am trying to portray the "sales" emotions that were used.

Now Born Again Christians (poor people) vote Republican, and so do the rich. The shift of the middle class from the Republicans has not yet happened- but it will. The Republican Party no longer presents an “educated, cultured face.” Could you imagine a college Biology professor voting for someone who thinks evolution is “bunk”? Most educated people think evolution is correct.

The middle class is the “educated” class, and all but the most foolish among us have noticed that Bush doesn’t seem to like educated people. They seem to be few and far between among his cronies.

The structure of the parties will start to change. I think it has already started and it will pick up steam in the next election. The middle class will leave the Republican party.

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Bush and Cheney
Posted by: US Citizen on Oct 24, 2007 8:42 AM   
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President Bush and Cheney can raise the emotional sweepstakes above anything the Democrats can do by using dead American soldiers as the emotional prod.

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bring back the draft
Posted by: zooeyhall on Oct 24, 2007 9:06 AM   
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If we had a military draft, with NO exemptions, it would change people's attitudes in a BIG hurry.

The draft is what really galvanized reaction to the Vietnam war. Otherwise, why should the middle and upper classes worry wars in the Mid-East? When there is a distinct possibility that their precious Johnny (or Jane's) ass may get in line to be shot-off in Iraq or Iran or Afghanistan, their attitudes would change in a real hurry.

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» RE: bring back the draft Posted by: jbur816
Making people understand
Posted by: LeeAnnG on Oct 24, 2007 9:40 AM   
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A long time ago I read a book by Douglas Hofstadter, who was a columnist for Scientific American (I think it was Metamagical Themus) in which he said that some concepts are so overwhelming people cannot comprehend them. One of these is huge numbers. For example, if a politician says the war is costing us over a hundred billion dollars a year, most people don't really care because they don't understand what a billion dollars really means.

However, when you say that if you earned a dollar a second, it would take over 30 years to earn a billion dollars, that catches people's attention! If you tell them it's costing us about $3,000 per second for the war in Iraq, it begins to wake them up. And if you further explain this means $180,000 per minute and every minute of the occupation we could pay three teachers $60,000 for a year, it clarifies the figures even more.

The human brain needs something to latch onto in order to comprehend certain ideas. If I tell a school secretary that a CEO makes 400 times her salary, she might not really think it's such a big deal because somehow she just can't grasp a number that large. But if I also tell her the superintendent of schools makes about $90,000 per year, which is only maybe four times her salary (and which she thinks is excessive) and the CEO makes 100 times that, it's something she can understand.

In fact, this scenario played out not too long ago when I had a conversation with one of the women who works in my department. She had just learned how much the superintendent made and was indignant. But a few days before when I was making a big deal about how much CEOs make, she was indifferent. Just making the comparison for her opened her eyes to what I'd been talking about.

Another aspect of this phenomenon is that people tend to be sympathetic to one person's suffering but immune to that of large groups. As I've mentioned here on Alternet several times recently, Cabot Gas and Oil owns the mineral rights to my property and is in the process of drilling a gas well near my water well. They've made a huge mess of an area about the size of a football field, they run their equipment all night long and keep the neighbors awake, and endanger both the ground water and the aquifer that supplies all the wells in the area. Everyone I know is outraged by this development.

At the same time, some of my friends who are pretty much wingnuts (yes - as a progressive and liberal, I actually have friends with very different views from mine and am tolerant of them because otherwise they are kind, generous, loving individuals) who think the citizens of Iraq have no right to rise up against the occupation. They have absolutely no comprehension of the devastation wrought upon the people, their homes, their country, and their way of life. I hope pointing out that a foreign occupation of one's country is far more disruptive and horrific than someone drilling a gas well for a few months might at least sow the seeds of enlightenment.

Finding ways to get through the mindblocks is a complicated matter. Using analogies and metaphors, breaking down numbers into understandable concepts, relating personal experiences to those removed from our daily lives, and identifying inconsistencies are some methods that need to be used by politicians and commentators, as well as "regular" liberals and progressives in order to get the message across.

Some people are so dense and steeped in their ideology they will never get past their prejudices, but many others will find that they agree with you once they understand. Of course, no matter how logical or factual an argument is, there's also a need to appeal on an emotional level. If the right people can find the right combination of comprehensible information and emotional content, perhaps it's possible to turn the tide of Republican control.

One can only hope.

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» RE: Making people understand Posted by: LeeAnnG
» RE: Making people understand Posted by: jbur816
Surly Old Man
Posted by: bikesnbach on Oct 24, 2007 10:20 AM   
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I have not read anything in the last 8 years that is as relevant
as this article. After all the lies and broken promises, most people still feel that bush is honest and sincere. Gore and Kerry came across as Eastern stuffed shirts; bush with the same background comes off a folksy, trustworthy man of the "People." The article is so true it is sickening.
Surly Old Man,
Denver

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» Are you sure? Posted by: ReallyBearish
» RE: Are you sure? Posted by: jbur816
AND EMOTION SAYS HILLARY CAN'T WIN
Posted by: larryfhilton on Oct 24, 2007 11:52 AM   
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Westen hits the nail on the head, but Democrats probably won't (can't?) listen. If they do listen then they won't nominate Hillary Clinton. Nobody else in America raises emotions in Republican voters--ALL Republican voters--like Hillary, and those emotions will drive them to the voting booths to vote, not for the Republican candidate, whoever he may be, but against Hillary. If the Dems do nominate her, and it looks as though they will, we--the whole country--will lose again.

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Class Act
Posted by: ClassAct on Oct 24, 2007 4:17 PM   
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If emotion trumps reason in the voting booth, is democracy a viable system after all? The theory is that reason will govern a democratic state.
Those who examine the political process find that class is usually the most important political issue to be addressed – but that is missing from US politics. Reason is the way the left addresses class issues because emotional appeals to class issues will certainly lead to charges of class warfare from all quarters – not least from those who might finance a campaign. Right wing emotions are socially safe in all quarters while left wing emotions are not socially safe in any!

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» RE: Class Act Posted by: Lincoln fan
» RE: Class Act Posted by: Joe
reason versus emotion versus "proprietory software"
Posted by: magistre on Oct 24, 2007 5:56 PM   
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Talking about the "election" as if it was honest is one thing but is emotion or reason going to matter at all?

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Clinical aspects of Clintonmania
Posted by: clarence on Oct 24, 2007 7:42 PM   
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The reactions of people from both the "Left" and the Right" to the Clintons certainly are strong evidence for what I understand this guy to be saying.
I've been baffled for years by each. Why would a "progressive" support a President who continued the genocidal embargo of Iraq, passed the welfare "reform" bill, passed NAFTA, etc? He continued every high tech military boondoggle, did nothing to rein in the corporate takeover of the government or slow the growing disparity of wealth distribution.
And what the hell does the "right" have to be pissed off about? Especially in regards to Hillary? She can't be accused of being against any of these measures while she was sleeping in the White House, and since she's been in the Senate she's voted to authorize the war, has continued to vote supporting the continuation of the occupation.
She just voted to name the Iranian Republican Guard as a "Terrorist Organization", fer crissakes.
Clintonmania appears to have two manifestations, each characterized by a total mirror-image understanding of what the Clintons have accomplished so far and appear to envision for the future.

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Yes
Posted by: argyle on Oct 25, 2007 5:43 PM   
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voting fraud has been used in the last few elections. The machines are built for it. However, as witnessed in the last elections, blowouts can't be covered without making the deception obvious as it involves preprogrammed undervotes.

When the Democrats and progressives begin redefining the values that the Republicans hold as the high ground the already large numerical Democratic advantage will manifest itself in electoral victories. Only through outright deception have the neo-conservative powers held onto the religious wing of the republican party. Devoid of its values base as the publics perception of moral issues switches from homosexuality and abortion to anti-corruption and the maintenance of a competent government able to use its powers to ensure the safety of food and toys.

As long as the minority holds most of the wealth of a nation the majority will always be in favor of policies that redistribute that wealth in the form of taxation for public benefit. Republicans are all too aware of this reality, and it is their greatest fear. Additionally the primary values of Judeo-Christian philosophy are social responsibilities: caring for the sick, feeding the hungry, creating opportunity and equality for the downtrodden of society. These are the same defining objectives for most progressives, regardless of their religion or lack thereof.

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» RE: Yes Posted by: argyle
jmp3954
Posted by: jmp3954 on Oct 25, 2007 10:28 PM   
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The fact that most people vote their hearts rather than their heads shouldn't be much of a surprise, in the US or anywhere else: another reason to be in awe of the wisdom of the authors of the Constitution in establishing the US as a representative rather than as a direct democracy. They were well aware of human nature.

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Idiocratic Phobia is good -Rant
Posted by: CUFarley on Oct 28, 2007 2:35 PM   
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I think since the objects of our fears so often guide our decisions on an unconscious level, we need a healthy fear of behaving stupidly and unwisely. Shouldn't the fear of being lied-to trump all/any fears being triggered by lies, half truths, spin and innocent misunderstandings?
I am sure we all have had the experience of being duped into believing something, maybe only for a moment, and then changed beliefs after deeper reflection. Sometime you realize part of you really WANTS to believe in certain things... maybe it is Santa Claus , maybe nationalistic fervor (For me several days after 9-11), maybe, that the good guys will always prevail (2004 election)... the voice of doubt performs it's regulatory duty and forces one to back up and try to look only at facts.
I have a fear of being duped by myself and others. You have to trust certain things completely out of your control or knowledge, but that is conditional if new information or ability is realized.
I have a deep suspicion that much political rhetoric is designed to appeal to what I want to hear rather than address real issues in a realistic way.
So first we need a word like "idiocratic phobia" (the movie "Idiocracy" was sophmoric, but, I love the title) or something to underscore in people's minds that the only thing we have to fear are manipulators that thrive on pushing our fear/greed button.
Being afraid of being an idiot, having fear that idiots will drive this world towards self destruction needs to propagate virally throughout this country. SOME tiny dawning of awareness that, ALL of us, on the Left, on the Right, lost in the middle somewhere, are facing an inevitable and EMBARRASSING doomsday if we don't look at what's real. Religious or not, political or not, When you ask for truth or guidance or clarification or help and you only get BS, cheeze, placations, platitudes and propaganda... people need to start screaming for integrity. We also need to reflect on our own shortcomings
We need a working feedback and course correction system to guide our society, culture and country as we move forward.
We all need to make a living, there are a lot of things that cannot be changed overnight, but, we need a vision of global cooperation to the extent that we do not do things to threaten our survival as a species, waste thousands of years of social and technological progress, cause unecessary pain or sow the seeds of future undoing.
To me, the political stage is being spammed by diversions and distractions, few people realizing that we MUST learn to live together without idiotic conflicts, else perish from the friction and wasted efforts.
To me, many of the ideas and spirit of the Constitution seek to move human evolution forward. We need to live in larger groups without excessive friction, with a viable and equitable system of law and conflict resolution. Goals of worldwide human rights recognition should be persued because, how can anyone expect people submit to any social contract in any country or culture if it is not for their personal benefit, and/or that of their progeny? Economic predation of ones own is like cannabalism ... it breeds mistrust and revenge. Human misery is the most ommon fissionable material in this world, it HAS to be recognized and it HASto be dealt with. Probably most of the cultures in this Petri dish Earth, have expanded due to a combination of cooperation, conquest and compromise. The religious and political institutions in every country need to adapt to the reality of a finite planet, and adjust their survival strategies.
People fear a "World Government" and for obvious reasons. Certainly nothing like what has historicaly existed as a government could possibly be extended to benefit mankind as a species. But, I frankly don't see that we as a species have any choice than figure something out that will work long term.

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Liberals and Conservatives
Posted by: Joe on Oct 28, 2007 10:40 PM   
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are emotional. The only thing that is different are the motives. Liberals tend to get emotional to the point of repression on social issues and conservatives get emotional to the point of repression on moral issues. Both sides are hypocritical also. Please give these "liberals are so much smarter" stories a rest.

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