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1929 Redux: Heading for a Crash?

By Robert Kuttner, AlterNet. Posted October 8, 2007.


The parallels between then and now are frightening.

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The following is Robert Kuttner's testimony before the House Financial Services Committee on October 2.

Mr. Chairman and members of the Committee:

Thank you for this opportunity. My name is Robert Kuttner. I am an economics and financial journalist, author of several books about the economy, co-editor of The American Prospect, and former investigator for the Senate Banking Committee. I have a book appearing in a few weeks that addresses the systemic risks of financial innovation coupled with deregulation and the moral hazard of periodic bailouts.

In researching the book, I devoted a lot of effort to reviewing the abuses of the 1920s, the effort in the 1930s to create a financial system that would prevent repetition of those abuses, and the steady dismantling of the safeguards over the last three decades in the name of free markets and financial innovation.

Your predecessors on the Senate Banking Committee, in the celebrated Pecora Hearings of 1933 and 1934, laid the groundwork for the modern edifice of financial regulation. I suspect that they would be appalled at the parallels between the systemic risks of the 1920s and many of the modern practices that have been permitted to seep back in to our financial markets.

Although the particulars are different, my reading of financial history suggests that the abuses and risks are all too similar and enduring. When you strip them down to their essence, they are variations on a few hardy perennials - excessive leveraging, misrepresentation, insider conflicts of interest, non-transparency, and the triumph of engineered euphoria over evidence.

The most basic and alarming parallel is the creation of asset bubbles, in which the purveyors of securities use very high leverage; the securities are sold to the public or to specialized funds with underlying collateral of uncertain value; and financial middlemen extract exorbitant returns at the expense of the real economy. This was the essence of the abuse of public utilities stock pyramids in the 1920s, where multi-layered holding companies allowed securities to be watered down, to the point where the real collateral was worth just a few cents on the dollar, and returns were diverted from operating companies and ratepayers. This only became exposed when the bubble burst. As Warren Buffett famously put it, you never know who is swimming naked until the tide goes out.

There is good evidence - and I will add to the record a paper on this subject by the Federal Reserve staff economists Dean Maki and Michael Palumbo - that even much of the boom of the late 1990s was built substantially on asset bubbles. ["Disentangling the Wealth Effect: a Cohort Analysis of Household Savings in the 1990s"]

A second parallel is what today we would call securitization of credit. Some people think this is a recent innovation, but in fact it was the core technique that made possible the dangerous practices of the 1920. Banks would originate and repackage highly speculative loans, market them as securities through their retail networks, using the prestigious brand name of the bank - e.g. Morgan or Chase - as a proxy for the soundness of the security. It was this practice, and the ensuing collapse when so much of the paper went bad, that led Congress to enact the Glass-Steagall Act, requiring bankers to decide either to be commercial banks - part of the monetary system, closely supervised and subject to reserve requirements, given deposit insurance, and access to the Fed's discount window; or investment banks that were not government guaranteed, but that were soon subjected to an extensive disclosure regime under the SEC.

Since repeal of Glass Steagall in 1999, after more than a decade of de facto inroads, super-banks have been able to re-enact the same kinds of structural conflicts of interest that were endemic in the 1920s - lending to speculators, packaging and securitizing credits and then selling them off, wholesale or retail, and extracting fees at every step along the way. And, much of this paper is even more opaque to bank examiners than its counterparts were in the 1920s. Much of it isn't paper at all, and the whole process is supercharged by computers and automated formulas. An independent source of instability is that while these credit derivatives are said to increase liquidity and serve as shock absorbers, in fact their bets are often in the same direction - assuming perpetually rising asset prices - so in a credit crisis they can act as net de-stabilizers.

A third parallel is the excessive use of leverage. In the 1920s, not only were there pervasive stock-watering schemes, but there was no limit on margin. If you thought the market was just going up forever, you could borrow most of the cost of your investment, via loans conveniently provided by your stockbroker. It worked well on the upside. When it didn't work so well on the downside, Congress subsequently imposed margin limits. But anybody who knows anything about derivatives or hedge funds knows that margin limits are for little people. High rollers, with credit derivatives, can use leverage at ratios of ten to one, or a hundred to one, limited only by their self confidence and taste for risk. Private equity, which might be better named private debt, gets its astronomically high rate of return on equity capital, through the use of borrowed money. The equity is fairly small. As in the 1920s, the game continues only as long as asset prices continue to inflate; and all the leverage contributes to the asset inflation, conveniently creating higher priced collateral against which to borrow even more money.

The fourth parallel is the corruption of the gatekeepers. In the 1920s, the corrupted insiders were brokers running stock pools and bankers as purveyors of watered stock. 1990s, it was accountants, auditors and stock analysts, who were supposedly agents of investors, but who turned out to be confederates of corporate executives. You can give this an antiseptic academic term and call it a failure of agency, but a better phrase is conflicts of interest. In this decade, it remains to be seen whether the bond rating agencies were corrupted by conflicts of interest, or merely incompetent. The core structural conflict is that the rating agencies are paid by the firms that issue the bonds. Who gets the business - the rating agencies with tough standards or generous ones? Are ratings for sale? And what, really, is the technical basis for their ratings? All of this is opaque, and unregulated, and only now being investigated by Congress and the SEC.

Yet another parallel is the failure of regulation to keep up with financial innovation that is either far too risky to justify the benefit to the real economy, or just plain corrupt, or both. In the 1920s, many of these securities were utterly opaque. Ferdinand Pecora, in his 1939 memoirs describing the pyramid schemes of public utility holding companies, the most notorious of which was controlled by the Insull family, opined that the pyramid structure was not even fully understood by Mr. Insull. The same could be said of many of today's derivatives on which technical traders make their fortunes.

By contrast, in the traditional banking system a bank examiner could look at a bank's loan portfolio, see that loans were backed by collateral and verify that they were performing. If they were not, the bank was made to increase its reserves. Today's examiner is not able to value a lot of the paper held by banks, and must rely on the banks' own models, which clearly failed to predict what happened in the case of sub-prime. The largest banking conglomerates are subjected to consolidated regulation, but the jurisdiction is fragmented, and at best the regulatory agencies can only make educated guesses about whether balance sheets are strong enough to withstand pressures when novel and exotic instruments create market conditions that cannot be anticipated by models.

A last parallel is ideological - the nearly universal conviction, 80 years ago and today, that markets are so perfectly self-regulating that government's main job is to protect property rights, and otherwise just get out of the way.

We all know the history. The regulatory reforms of the New Deal saved capitalism from its own self-cannibalizing instincts, and a reliable, transparent and regulated financial economy went on to anchor an unprecedented boom in the real economy. Financial markets were restored to their appropriate role as servants of the real economy, rather than masters. Financial regulation was pro-efficiency. I want to repeat that, because it is so utterly unfashionable, but it is well documented by economic history. Financial regulation was pro-efficiency. America's squeaky clean, transparent, reliable financial markets were the envy of the world. They undergirded the entrepreneurship and dynamism in the rest of the economy.

Beginning in the late 1970s, the beneficial effect of financial regulations has either been deliberately weakened by public policy, or has been overwhelmed by innovations not anticipated by the New Deal regulatory schema. New-Deal-era has become a term of abuse. Who needs New Deal protections in an Internet age?

Of course, there are some important differences between the economy of the 1920s, and the one that began in the deregulatory era that dates to the late 1970s. The economy did not crash in 1987 with the stock market, or in 2000-01. Among the reasons are the existence of federal breakwaters such as deposit insurance, and the stabilizing influence of public spending, now nearly one dollar in three counting federal, state, and local public outlay, which limits collapses of private demand.

But I will focus on just one difference - the most important one. In the 1920s and early 1930s, the Federal Reserve had neither the tools, nor the experience, nor the self-confidence to act decisively in a credit crisis. But today, whenever the speculative excesses lead to a crash, the Fed races to the rescue. No, it doesn't bail our every single speculator (though it did a pretty good job in the two Mexican rescues) but it bails out the speculative system, so that the next round of excess can proceed. And somehow, this is scored as trusting free markets, overlooking the plain fact that the Fed is part of the U.S. government.

When big banks lost many tens of billions on third world loans in the 1980s, the Fed and the Treasury collaborated on workouts, and desisted from requiring that the loans be marked to market, lest several money center banks be declared insolvent. When Citibank was under water in 1990, the president of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York personally undertook a secret mission to Riyadh to persuade a Saudi prince to pump in billions in capital and to agree to be a passive investor.

In 1998, the Fed convened a meeting of the big banks and all but ordered a bailout of Long Term Capital Management, an uninsured and unregulated hedge fund whose collapse was nonetheless putting the broad capital markets at risk. And even though Chairman Greenspan had expressed worry two years (and several thousand points) earlier that "irrational exuberance" was creating a stock market bubble, big losses in currency speculation in East Asia and Russia led Greenspan to keep cutting rates, despite his foreboding that cheaper money would just pump up markets and invite still more speculation.

And finally in the dot-com crash of 2000-01, the speculative abuses and insider conflicts of interest that fueled the stock bubble were very reminiscent of 1929. But a general depression was not triggered by the market collapse, because the Fed again came to the rescue with very cheap money.

So when things are booming, the financial engineers can advise government not to spoil the party. But when things go bust, they can count on the Fed to rescue them with emergency infusions of cash and cheaper interest rates.

I just read Chairman Greenspan's fascinating memoir, which confirms this rescue role. His memoir also confirms Mr. Greenspan's strong support for free markets and his deep antipathy to regulation. But I don't see how you can have it both ways. If you are a complete believer in the proposition that free markets are self-regulating and self- correcting, then you logically should let markets live with the consequences. On the other hand, if you are going to rescue markets from their excesses, on the very reasonable ground that a crash threatens the entire system, then you have an obligation to act pre-emptively, prophylactically, to head off highly risky speculative behavior. Otherwise, the Fed just invites moral hazards and more rounds of wildly irresponsible actions.

While the Fed and the European Central Bank were flooding markets with liquidity to prevent a deeper crash in August and September, the Bank of England decided on a sterner course. It would not reward speculators. The result was an old fashioned run on a large bank, and the Bank of England changed its tune.

So the point is not that the Fed should let the whole economy collapse in order to teach speculators a lesson. The point is that the Fed needs to remember its other role - as regulator.

One of the odd things about the press commentary about what the Fed should do is that it has been entirely along one dimension: a Hobson's choice: - either loosen money and invite more risky behavior, or refuse to enable asset bubbles and risk a more serious credit crunch - as if these were the only options and monetary policy were the only policy lever. But the other lever, one that has fallen into disrepair and disrepute, is preventive regulation.

Mr. Chairman, you have had a series of hearings on the sub-prime collapse, which has now been revealed as a textbook case of regulatory failure. About half of these loans were originated by non-federally regulated mortgage companies. However even those sub-prime loans should have had their underwriting standards policed by the Federal Reserve or its designee under the authority of the 1994 Home Equity and Ownership Protection Act. And by the same token, the SEC should have more closely monitored the so called counterparties - the investment and commercial banks - that were supplying the credit. However, the Fed and the SEC essentially concluded that since the paper was being sold off to investors who presumably were cognizant of the risks, they did not need to pay attention to the deplorable underwriting standards.

In the 1994 legislation, Congress not only gave the Fed the authority, but directed the Fed to clamp down on dangerous and predatory lending practices, including on otherwise unregulated entities such as sub-prime mortgage originators. However, for 13 years the Fed stonewalled and declined to use the authority that Congress gave it to police sub-prime lending. Even as recently as last spring, when you could not pick up a newspaper's financial pages without reading about the worsening sub-prime disaster, the Fed did not act - until this Committee made an issue of it.

Financial markets have responded to the 50 basis-point rate-cut, by bidding up stock prices, as if this crisis were over. Indeed, the financial pages have reported that as the softness in housing markets is expected to worsen, traders on Wall Street have inferred that the Fed will need to cut rates again, which has to be good for stock prices.

Mr. Chairman, we are living on borrowed time. And the vulnerability goes far beyond the spillover effects of the sub-prime debacle.

We need to step back and consider the purpose of regulation. Financial regulation is too often understood as merely protecting consumers and investors. The New Deal model is actually a relatively indirect one, since it relies more on mandated disclosures, and less on prohibited practices. The enormous loopholes in financial regulation - the hedge fund loophole, the private equity loophole, are justified on the premise that consenting adults of substantial means do not need the help of the nanny state, thank you very much. But of course investor protection is only one purpose of regulation. The other purpose is to protect the system from moral hazard and catastrophic risk of financial collapse. It is this latter function that has been seriously compromised.

HOEPA was understood mainly as consumer protection legislation, but it was also systemic risk legislation.

Sarbanes-Oxley has been attacked in some quarters as harmful to the efficiency of financial markets. One good thing about the sub-prime calamity is that we haven't heard a lot of that argument lately. Yet there is still a general bias in the administration and the financial community against regulation.

Mr. Chairman, I commend you and this committee for looking beyond the immediate problem of the sub-prime collapse. I would urge every member of the committee to spend some time reading the Pecora hearings, and you will be startled by the sense of déjà vu.

I'd like to close with an observation and a recommendation.

My perception as a financial journalist is that regulation is so out of fashion these days that it narrows the legislative imagination, since politics necessarily is the art of the possible and your immediate task is to find remedies that actually stand a chance of enactment. There is a vicious circle - a self-fulfilling prophecy - in which remedies that currently are legislatively unthinkable are not given serious thought. Mr. Chairman, you are performing an immense public service by broadening the scope of inquiry beyond the immediate crisis and immediate legislation.

Three decades ago, a group of economists inspired by the work of the late Milton Friedman created a shadow Federal Open Market Committee, to develop and recommend contrarian policies in the spirit of Professor Friedman's recommendation that monetary policy essentially be put on automatic pilot. The committee had great intellectual and political influence, and its very existence helped people think through dissenting ideas. In the same way, the national security agencies often create Team B exercises to challenge the dominant thinking on a defense issue.

In the coming months, I hope the committee hears from a wide circle of experts - academics, former state and federal regulators, financial historians, people who spent time on Wall Street - who are willing to look beyond today's intellectual premises and legislative limitations, and have ideas about what needs to be re-regulated. Here are some of the questions that require further exploration:

First, which kinds innovations of financial engineering actually enhance economic efficiency, and which ones mainly enrich middlemen, strip assets, appropriate wealth, and increase systemic risk? It no longer works to assert that all innovations, by definition, are good for markets or markets wouldn't invent them. We just tested that proposition in the sub-prime crisis, and it failed. But which forms of credit derivatives, for example, truly make markets more liquid and better able to withstand shocks, and which add to the system's vulnerability. We can't just settle that question by the all purpose assumption that market forces invariably enhance efficiency. We have to get down to cases.

The story of the economic growth in the 1990s and in this decade is mainly a story of technology, increased productivity growth, macro-economic stimulation, and occasionally of asset bubbles. There is little evidence that the growth rates of the past decade and a half - better than the 1970s and '80s, worse than the 40's, 50's and '60s - required or benefited from new techniques of financial engineering.

I once did some calculations on what benefits securitization of mortgage credit had actually had. By the time you net out the fee income taken out by all of the middlemen - the mortgage broker, the mortgage banker, the investment banker, the bond-rating agency - it's not clear that the borrower benefits at all. What does increase, however, are the fees and the systemic risks. More research on this question would be useful. What would be the result of the secondary mortgage market were far more tightly subjected to standards? It is telling that the mortgages that best survived the meltdown were those that met the underwriting criteria of the GSE's.

Second, what techniques and strategies of regulation are appropriate to damp down the systemic risks produced by the financial innovation? As I observed, when you strip it all down, at the heart of the recent financial crises are three basic abuses: lack of transparency; excessive leverage; and conflicts of interest. Those in turn suggest remedies: greater disclosure either to regulators or to the public. Requirement of increased reserves in direct proportion to how opaque and difficult to value are the assets held by banks. Some restoration of the walls against conflicts of interest once provided by Glass Steagall. Tax policies to discourage dangerously high leverage ratios, in whatever form.

Maybe we should just close the loophole in the 1940 Act and require of hedge funds and private equity firms the same kinds of disclosures required of others who sell shares to the public, which in effect is what hedge funds and private equity increasingly do. The industry will say that this kind of disclosure impinges on trade secrets. To the extent that this concern is valid, the disclosure of positions and strategies can be to the SEC. This is what is required of large hedge funds by the Financial Services Authority in the UK, not a nation noted for hostility to hedge funds. Indeed, Warren Buffet's Berkshire Hathaway, which might have chosen to operate as private equity, makes the same disclosures as any other publicly listed firm. It doesn't seem to hurt Buffett at all.

To the extent that some private equity firms and strategies strip assets, while others add capital and improve management, maybe we need a windfall profits tax on short term extraction of assets and on excess transaction fees. If private equity has a constructive role to play - and I think it can - we need public policies to reward good practices and discourage bad ones. Industry codes, of the sort being organized by the administration and the industry itself, are far too weak.

Why not have tighter regulation both of derivatives that are publicly traded and those that are currently regulated - rather weakly - by the CFTC: more disclosure, limits on leverage and on positions. And why not make OTC and special purpose derivatives that are not ordinarily traded (and that are black holes in terms of asset valuation), also subject to the CFTC?

A third big question to be addressed is the relationship of financial engineering to problems of corporate governance. Ever since the classic insight of A.A. Berle and Gardiner Means in 1933, it has been conventional to point out that corporate management is not adequately responsible to shareholders, and by extension to society, because of the separation of ownership from effective control. The problem, if anything, is more serious today than when Berle and Means wrote in 1933, because of the increased access of insiders to financial engineering. We have seen the fruits of that access in management buyouts, at the expense of both other shareholders, workers, and other stakeholders. This is pure conflict of interest.

Since the first leveraged buyout boom, advocates of hostile takeovers have proposed a radically libertarian solution to the Berle-Means problem. Let a market for corporate control hold managers accountable by buying, selling, and recombining entire companies via LBOs that tax deductible money collateralized by the target's own assets. It is astonishing that this is even legal, let alone rewarded by tax preferences, even more so when managers with a fiduciary responsibility to shareholders are on both sides of the bargain.

The first boom in hostile takeovers crashed and burned. The second boom ended with the stock market collapse of 2000-01. The latest one is rife with conflicts of interest, it depends heavily on the perception that stock prices are going to continue to rise at multiples that far outstrip the rate of economic growth, and on the borrowed money to finance these deals that puts banks increasingly at risk.

So we need a careful examination of better ways of holding managers accountable - through more power for shareholders and other stakeholders such as employees, proxy rules not tilted to incumbent management, and rules that reward mutual funds for serving as the agents of shareholders, and not just of the profit maximization of the fund sponsor. John Bogle, a pioneer in the modern mutual fund industry, has written eloquently on this.

Interestingly, the intellectual fathers of the leveraged buyout movement as a supposed source of better corporate governance, have lately been having serious second thoughts.

Michael Jensen, one of the original theorists of efficient market theory and the so called market for corporate control and an advocate of compensation incentives for corporate CEOs has now written a book calling for greater control of CEOs and less cronyism on corporate boards. That cronyism, however, is in part a reflection of Jensen's earlier conception of the ideal corporation.

I don't have all the answers on regulatory remedies, but people smarter than I need to systematically ask these questions, even if they are beyond the pale legislatively for now. And there are scholars of financial markets, former state and federal regulators, economic historians, and even people who did time on Wall Street, who all have the same concerns that I do as well as more technical expertise, and who I am sure would be happy to find company and to serve.

One last parallel: I am chilled, as I'm sure you are, every time I hear a high public official or a Wall Street eminence utter the reassuring words, "The economic fundamentals are sound." Those same words were used by President Hoover and the captains of finance, in the deepening chill of the winter of 1929-1930. They didn't restore confidence, or revive the asset bubbles.

The fact is that the economic fundamentals are sound - if you look at the real economy of factories and farms, and internet entrepreneurs, and retailing innovation and scientific research laboratories. It is the financial economy that is dangerously unsound. And as every student of economic history knows, depressions, ever since the South Sea bubble, originate in excesses in the financial economy, and go on to ruin the real economy.

It remains to be seen whether we have dodged the bullet for now. If markets do calm down, and lower interest bail out excesses once again, then we have bought precious time. The worst thing of all would be to conclude that markets self corrected once again, and let the bubble economy continue to fester. Congress has a window in which restore prudential regulation, and we should use that window before the next crisis turns out to be a mortal one.


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Brilliant
Posted by: spencerh on Oct 8, 2007 11:59 AM   
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Absolutely brilliant analysis of the effects of the Market Fundamentalist ideologies. Bring back and update the New Deal for the modern age, and jettison the Rothbardian/Norquistian/Friedman fantasies. Objectivism/Economic Libertarianism have seen enough implementation to show that they are, in fact, failed ideologies.

It's long past time to move on.

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» I agree wholeheartedly. Posted by: yellow
Deregulation Mythos
Posted by: Crazy H on Oct 8, 2007 1:32 PM   
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We're supposed to believe that weasels like Ken Lay and G.W. Bush will play nice in the marketplace even if the government isn't looking over their shoulders. Here's a hint: they didn't rise to the top of the food chain by playing nice with others.

Regulation hurts the cocaine industry, as well - but you don't see the wingnuts pushing to deregulate it. Why not? Don't the rules of supply and demand appy?

I'd find it a little easier to believe in the laws of economics if we did have a free market, but we don't. We have monopolies and collusions blocking new players from entering the marketplace; and we have the corporate media preventing the consumer from making informed choices.

The oil industy is a prime example. Their profits are skyrocketing because of profiteering and collusion in the form of price fixing. It can't be corrected by "supply and demand" because the entry price is just too high for a new player in the game.

Rather than reporting on the rampant price-fixing, the media report it in a 'he said' / 'she said' manner, as if an industry spokeman with an agenda is as unbiased a source as a professor of economics.

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Financialization, inflation, credit expansion and debt results of capitalism's chronic stagnation
Posted by: yellow on Oct 9, 2007 10:05 AM   
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Inflation really began to creep up in the late 1960s and early 1970s with the credit expansion that occured in the face of the economic slowdown that began about then which pushed prices up in the face of expanded credit, US borrowing for the Vietnam War without taxing, a marked average productivity slowdown and slower wage deceleration which sped up in the late 1970s with union busting and pressure for contract givebacks to stem the "wage-price spiral." The ultimate Reagan/Volcker recession of 1981-86 crushed the US economy and restructured it with abnormally high and sustained interest rates which brought about financialization.

Bubbles and debt have since been used to sustain an inherently stagnant economy which is crisis prone and continually concentrating wealth and income. Ironic as it may sound, total income redistribution and a reorientation of the US economy toward productive capital and away from the financial casino through New Deal-style federal government programs is the only way to keep inflation low through high productivity and the production of cost efficient infrastructure that mitigates urban sprawl and saves fuel like mass transit and renewable energy programs. This will work better than the gold standard or any other version of crackpot monetarism.

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Never Happen
Posted by: apophenia_monkey on Oct 11, 2007 12:14 AM   
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while i'd be pleased to see a crash it won't happen--go back to the roosveldt and the mechanization set in place and carry that forward.

in other words--the "elites" you progressivew would love to see bite the big one won't, b/c your freakin' idol set up the gov't in a way that evolved to protect them.

think HARD on the path to hell--or any place, like, our current fascist state with the chimp-in-chief--being lined with good intentions and tell me MORE gov't, MORE regulation, LESS personal choice is really a GOOD thing.

if you can, then all you're doing is rationalising and making excuses for your dogma. you reap what you sow--and where we are now is the bloody abortion of the rooseveld usurping states authority via federal authority.

ain't it grand!!!!

feh.

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» RE: Never Happen Posted by: MAD
» Take another look Posted by: ReallyBearish
Bubbles exist to burst
Posted by: vox persona on Oct 11, 2007 12:29 AM   
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It's only a matter of time before this house of cards comes crashing down. We're spending like drunken sailors, over $3,300 per second every second of the year just in Iraq; off budget and borrowed from China. It's a giant shell game, and akin to a pyramid scheme, fixed to enrich the Wall Street churners. Our dollar is now worth less than the Canadian dollar, how is that for signs to come? I don't remember the crash of '29, I was barely 30 (make that -30), so I can't say that we are heading there, but if oil is untied from the dollar, then there is nothing left to hold it up. Just watch when the panic first starts up, things can change in a day. We have no manufacturing base left, we print money like it's made of paper, all the while Bu$hCo sells off America like a giant Yard sale. Let's just oesn't call on our debt, or even quit buying it up. When the sky starts falling, it would be nice to have liquid assets, not tied up in stocks. Start buying Euros and silver coins. Run!!! We're all going to die!!! But all seriousness aside, this is not going to be pretty.

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» RE: Bubbles exist to burst Posted by: solrev
1929 "Depression" was No Accident – Nor Will the Next One Be
Posted by: stryder on Oct 11, 2007 4:51 AM   
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“But I will focus on just one difference - the most important one. In the 1920s and early 1930s, the Federal Reserve had neither the tools, nor the experience, nor the self-confidence to act decisively in a credit crisis.”

Worse than superficial, this is plain wrong.

The private corporate sham “Federal Reserve” Corp that happens to print worthless funny money out of thin air was forced on the U.S.(1913) to produce “credit crisis” for rank and file Americans – not to avoid it.

Robert Kuttner’s testimony is neatly contradicted by many economists including Milton Friedman and the current chairman of the “Fed”…

“The Federal Reserve [Corp] definitely caused the great depression by contracting the amount of currency in circulation by one-third from 1929 to 1933.”
MILTON FRIEDMAN – Nobel Laureate economist. Quote 1996

"Regarding the Great Depression. You're right, we did it. We're very sorry."
Ben Bernanke – Federal Reserve Chairman on the occasion of Milton Friedman’s birthday 2002


A private corporation in charge of rigging the national economy has always been a recipe for disaster. Essentially, it’s the bloody old fox in the hen house.

Of course there are more things wrong with the economy than a farce “Federal Reserve” Corp but the “asset bubble” casino economy the west is saddled with has always been aided and abetted by those who run the “Fed” and its enabler organizations.

btw, those who front the “Federal Reserve” Corp only pretend to run it.

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missed the most important and disturbing factor
Posted by: zooeyhall on Oct 11, 2007 7:07 AM   
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"hedge funds, leveraged buyout booms...blah blah blah..."

Not one word about growing income inequality and the financial gutting of the middle/working classes.

From all the analysis of the Great Depression, this is one of the most important factors identified by historians as causing the great crash. In the 20's the income of investors and business execs skyrocketed while that of the middle classes and farmers and blue collar workers stagnated or declined. In the end, the people that mattered couldn't buy the widgets and whatever that were being produced.

Of course, this guy is part of the club that would be affected the most if some of "his" income would be redirected towards the middle classes. No wonder he doesn't mention it.

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» That is not the subject Posted by: nopuppy
» That indeed IS the subject Posted by: Constitutionalist75
» RE: That is not the subject Posted by: launcher
Superb Analysis
Posted by: Urgelt on Oct 11, 2007 7:47 AM   
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An absolutely superb summary analysis.

Please permit me to amplify a few points of interest to me.

Liquidity is sloshing around the financial markets in simply staggering amounts, desperate to find places to land. Much of it was pumped into financial markets to service the US Government's runaway debt. Excessive liquidity is a spur to financial innovation; it's contributing a great deal to the froth which undermines the stability of the entire system. Regulation will certainly help, but the froth also needs to be addressed by draining excess liquidity. The US Government needs to run a surplus and begin paying down its debt.

Second, the increasing emergence of ever-vaster monopolies is the direct result of deregulation. The very idea of competition is strangling in this market environment. Taking the place of competition is intensive price-fixing and consolidation of ownership. We see it in every market sector: computing, telecommunications, retail, banking, energy, medicine and pharmaceuticals, media, real estate, everywhere. This theme runs counter to the ideology of libertarian economists, who expect deregulation to promote competition, not consolidation. And as the article pointed out, what competition remains is rendered meaningless by Government bailouts of the losers. A policy of deregulation and bail-outs is not a path towards more competition. It is an enabler of monopoly power.

Third, the markets are going to see some very large shocks in the second decade of this century. The largest may prove to be a disruptive technology from an unlikely sector: batteries. Batteries have ceased being a complacent, reliable corner of the industrial marketplace. Innovations are being spurred not only by a large expansion of markets made possible by laptops and consumer devices, but by the approach of a very significant tipping point - battery energy density will, in a few years, equal, and then surpass, the energy density of gasoline. When it does, electric cars are going to take off like a rocket. Demand for gasoline is going to start heading south, and by the end of the decade, the rate of decline in demand could exceed the rate of decline in available supplies.

When economists are in an honest mood, they'll grant that the economy we've got is an oil economy. The shift to an electrical economy will be a shock unlike any we have seen in more than 80 years.

In a classic competitive economy, perhaps this wouldn't be all that significant. But we don't have a classic competitive economy. We have an economy which is largely sliced into monopolistic markets. When a monopoly topples, it takes a lot of the forest with it.

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Very well done
Posted by: nopuppy on Oct 11, 2007 7:52 AM   
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Wonderful analysis, extremely well handled. I don't suppose, in the current climate, it will be acted upon - but when the Fed fails to or is unable to bail out the next potential crash, it will be there in the record to refer to.

Unlike some, I don't really want to live through the horror of an economic crash just to thumb my nose at the high and mighty; especially as we are probably looking at concurrent ecological and political crashes. Things will get ugly. For the sake of all that's common sensical, let's try to head off these problems!

But humans seem, en masse, incapable of planning far ahead, and need catastrophes of one kind or another to force them into common sense. Sad but true.

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People Need To Understand The Nature Of Money
Posted by: BlackbirdHighway on Oct 11, 2007 8:44 AM   
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Most of our money does not exist as currency, but as debt. This system is not sustainable, and periodic recessions and even depressions are necessary to keep it going.

This is a very instructive video:
Money as Debt

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Voodoo Economics
Posted by: peacelf on Oct 11, 2007 10:12 AM   
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As I wrote in another commentary on Hillary's economic influences, most economics is like Voodoo: it's greatly influenced by one's belief system and the end result is never good.

However, a voice of reason in Kuttner, and that he threw in the american worker as one needing protection makes great sense, since so many workers are invested in money markets through 401K's or pension funds. In the event of a stock market crash, the working people get hit the hardest.

But, it's probably because the american worker has so much invested in the stock market--money the worker has little or no control over--that has propped up the stock market this long.

Even as financial institutions rape and pillage homeowners, or a 9/11 or Enron scam cuts the value of money market accounts in half, yet the wealthy investor's money flourishes, because it is fluid; he pulls his money out at the first sign of disaster, or shifts it to disaster-friendly investment at times of crisis.

But, I doubt that the neo-cons or neoliberals are listening. They are so entrenched in corporate welfare politics that it will take a crisis before anything happens.

peace

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» RE: Voodoo Economics Posted by: tap17x
Money is debt and
Posted by: Constitutionalist75 on Oct 11, 2007 10:19 AM   
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debt is a form of slavery to which everyone must be addicted to make the capitalist system work for the ever-growing wealth and power of those who own and operate it, or so they hope, until the inevitable cycle of boom-and-bust comes and goes around yet again.

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Fundamental Principles of Business
Posted by: oldamerican on Oct 11, 2007 10:26 AM   
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When an analyst examines and investment's asset portfolio and return history, it is the return history that validates the asset portfolio.

Conflict of interest, regulation, disclosure, and governance lacks enable the return history to dominate in analysis because asset analysis is inscrutable due to the fact that all pieces of the economy are floating in the same lake, a murky one.

The real and financial economies are tied together, for better or worse. The financial economy, as an industry, has been expanding while the real economy, I believe, has been declining. This is why I believe this: the real economy is made of real stuff. Parts of this real economy like infrastructure and environmental maintenance are not being invested in adequately because much of the money is going to the financial economy due to higher "returns" in the investment marketplace.

This is where income inequality comes in to play as mentioned by a commenter above. Regardless of income inequalities origin--it has market-driven and non-market driven drivers, income inequality is sustained by the fact that, as inequality increases, there increasingly develops an investor class and non-investor class. The investor class invests-where?-where the highest returns are. Ergo: the financial industry. "Growth" there leads to greater money flow-through in that sector, more money means further growth of that industry, further aiding of income equality. Strong, inelastic demand from the investment marketplace to that sector drives wildly high salaries. Everybody is high. So high, I think, they don't see the ground.

The Fed. As the bank of member banks, it banks to banks. Legal authority for the Fed came via an act of congress. Board members are appointed by the president and once a year the board is required to speak to congress about what it is doing. It is a political creation and like politicians is above the law: the Fed tells the government how the Fed should be regulated. One reason for this is disunity in congress. Another is lifetime appointments. The Fed has a regulatory and oversight role, an interest rate role, and a money supply role. To regulate banks, the Fed is supposed to regulate the business of banks - which is lending money - so that reasonable practices or business and market solvency are adhered to. The interest rate role is the committee and chair's determination of the rate at which banks can borrow from one another in the Fed system. The cheaper for them the cheaper for everyone else, theoretically. The Fed’s buying and selling of government securities regulate the money supply. To buy, they print money; to sell they print bonds and sell those. The first puts money into the economy; the next takes it out.

These functions could exist outside of a system that is so autonomous. (Some are argue they are totally unnecessary; some that they are less necessary.) Maybe this is one reason why there is much disagreement about the reason for the Fed. One thing is for sure though; those on the inside know a lot more than those on the outside...likewise anyone on the outside who could have advance notice of Fed moves could make many fortunes overnight. Another thing is for sure, if the Federal Reserve is not properly taking to task it ostensible duties, then problems with the economy as a whole are sure to come up.

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» RE: Fundamental Principles of Business Posted by: MartianBachelor
It's not the US we should be focusing on . . .
Posted by: MAD on Oct 11, 2007 10:49 AM   
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While all the requisite variables are in place for a US economic meltdown, it's the looming global recession that should concern us. As usual, we're consumed with our own financial well-being, forsaking that of the wider global community, but we do so at our own peril.

It's only natural that Americans concern themselves with their own bottom lines, principally because CNBC & Bloomberg have convinced the day traders and dabblers that Asia and Europe are all grown up and ready to leave the nest. Even fledging Latin America is realizing a commodities boom that should sustain it when the US flatlines. In theory, this is true but minor market jitters in August reminded us that this neoliberal utopia we've created still means 'til death do us part.

China has been the primary growth engine for much of the developing world over the last several years, acting as a conduit of sorts. Raw materials leave places like Latin America, Africa and other parts of Asia (and although not a developing country, Australia) only to be processed and returned to those same areas as finished goods with a higher price tag.

Here is where the cookie starts to crumble. China is growing at nearly 12% - an impressive feat unless you happen to be a Chinese central banker trying to put the brakes on a runaway economy that is beginning to show stress fractures. China's P/E ratio recently eclipsed 50 and is headed nowhere but north.

When the Chinese bubble pops - and they always pop - China will sputter and stall and the global commodities market will tank along with it. Latin America will fall into another prolonged recessionary period marked with deflation and high unemployment. Africa - well, we know what will happen to Africa. Anyone who supplies commodities rather than finished goods is going to take a wallop.

The US is sick and getting sicker, and this has much to do with excess liquidity sloshing around in the tank. Our rampant consumerism and greed will ultimately be the undoing of this country, and I for one, welcome it. Let's flush the scum out of the system and start anew. Let's stop printing money to rescue the likes of Goldman, Morgan, Lehman, etc. Let's put the heads of some politicians and CEOs on pikes before the government reestablishes authoritarian order. We could send the message that if you F up, you too could become "congressman on a stick".

Once the global recession begins, watch for societal upheaval of unprecedented levels. China, with its newly acquired taste for growth and luxury items, will witness astounding levels of turmoil. The US will turn in on itself, giving our leaders the opportunity to assert martial law (hopefully after we've exacted our pound of flesh) and Europe will soon come back around to its warmongering ways when it realizes that conflict is still profitable and advantageous in the midst of a global depression. The Middle East and Africa will be hit the hardest. With nothing but oil to offer, millions will starve or fall victim to civil war.

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Reregulate and Raise Effective Tax Rates
Posted by: mmckinl on Oct 11, 2007 11:02 AM   
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Bubble to Bubble to Bubble : What Kuttner Doesn't say about Tax Rates

Deja vu all over again ...

"The 1987 crash reflected a stock-market bubble burst the liquidity cure for which led to a property bubble that, when it also burst, in turn caused the savings-and-loan (S&L) crisis. "

" The Federal Reserve reacted to the S&L crisis with a further massive injection of liquidity into the commercial banking system,

"Since there were few assets worth investing in a down market plagued by overcapacity, most of the new money went into relatively low-yield bonds.

This resulted in a bond bubble by 1993, which then burst in 1994 when the Fed finally started to raise the short-term rate, which reached 6% on February 1, 1995."By the mid-1990s, excess liquidity had fueled a worldwide equity rally that found its way into the Asian emerging markets, where it fed an unprecedented bubble of easy money in the form of undervalued currencies pegged to a falling US dollar. When the Asian emerging-market bubble crashed abruptly on July 2, 1997 "

"The first three years of the 21st century saw a worldwide equity-market crash followed by a recession plagued by global overcapacity, over-indebtedness, and over-leveraging"

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Global_Economy/IF14Dj02.html

So hear we are again , only this time , the bubbles are getting closer and closer together.

In the 50s and 60s we had no such problem .

What has caused all this excess liquidity ? The lowering of Tax Rates on Corporations and High Income Individuals ...

These taxes used to go to infrastructure , education and preserve healthy government balance sheets.

Now this liquidity chases its own tail through the financial system , creating new exotic schemes to capture capital (read derivatives: known as the LTCCM debacle debt securitization ; also known as the subprime crisis lend lease of public infrastructure ,known as privatization and flooding of NY subways ), and the Fed guarantees the put ...

I agree with Kuttner about regulation , but it doesn't stop there. America was growing just fine with much higher tax rates in the 50s and 60s ...

Increasing effective tax rates will raise the bar on these schemes and slow this short term mentality ...

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Amazing analysis!
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Oct 11, 2007 11:26 AM   
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I just hope that the Congressmembers were paying attention and not dozing off.

Just to re-emphasize the main points:
lack of transparency; excessive leverage; and conflicts of interest.

This isn't blah-blah-blah, it matters a lot to your average middle class U.S. citizen, who hopes to retire with a pension. If some hedge fund controls their pension fund, you'd better believe it matters.

It's always good to use an example - so look at CalPERS, the California Public Employee Retirement System, which is controlled by State Street Corporation, an investment bank with major interests in oil & gas, publicly owned media, and pharmaceuticals, and defense contractors. As you can see, they themselves are owned by a host of other investment banks. To an outsider, it really looks like a financial cartel more than anything else - and this bank is fairly transparent. However, their conflicts of interest are pretty apparent. State Street has over $2 billion in Disney (ABC), over $6 billion in Chevron. That's just the tip, however - they have $13 trillion "under custody" and $1.7 trillion "under management."

These guys are the #1 servicer of U.S. pension plans. All those men and women being killed in Iraq? The bloodshed in Burma, where Chevron works with Total of France to secure access to natural gas? The rotten corporate media, and the global arms trade (we're #1!)? Yes, that's what is supposed to finance your retirement. If times get hard, your fund will go belly up well before the investment bank does - that's for sure.

Regarding the lack of transparency issue, i.e. hedge funds, see this story: Hedge Fund Rule Tossed: Appeals Court Says SEC Went Too Far In Oversight Effort.

That article goes very well with Robert Kuttner's testimony. Alan Greenspan opposed the rule (which was aimed at forcing hedge funds to open their books so that the public could see who controlled them). The judges who tossed the rule, Randolph, Griffith and Edwards, are all Republican appointees (Bush Sr, Jr., and Reagan). The opinion is Goldstein, Phillips vs. SEC, 04-1434a. What does it all mean? Out of control insider trading in hedge funds, secret ownership - it's all okay.

In the UK, hedge funds are forced to reveal what they are up to - for example, see Dubai fund buys into HSBC, Guardian, May 2, 2007

That just shows that the interlocking financial relationship between the U.S., Britain, Saudi Arabia and the other Persian Gulf oil kingdoms is still in full force. Recall the Bank of Commerce and Credit International? Recall from the above article the bit about the Fed flying to Saudi Arabia to convince a prince to bail out LTCM?

The finance world is out of control - and these are the main backers of the Bush Administration, which is best understood as the puppet of Wall Street interests (i.e. of the London-New York-Saudi+friends axis).

So, what are we heading for, really? Another Great Depression, or the rise of a truly fascist state, where all economic activity is controlled by a cartel like I.G. Farben, in alliance with political interests?

One thing is sure - the era of the robber barons has returned.

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How Gross these financial dealings are
Posted by: cognitorex on Oct 11, 2007 11:44 AM   
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First let me say that Mr. Kuttner and his article are brilliant...an excellent read.

"Dollar tanks on lower U.S. interest rates".
When I gas up my vehicle I will be paying extra because the dollar's buying power has taken a hit.
The financial types that made the suspect mortgages walk off with big commissions from making the loans, packaging, reselling, repackaging and reselling until the "Ring around the Mortgages' game came full stop.
Jane and John Doe now have to pay for greedy, shoddy asset allocations in the financial sector not only by having margins on their next loan increased but by watching the greenback crash world wide as government 'of the banks, by the banks' lowers interest rates to bail out the thieves.


"A Capital Tax Idea".
2006 Wall St bonuses; $25 Billion
As the big boys on Wall Street direct trillions in capital flows to derivatives, rank speculation and the latest hot packaged products like sub-prime mortgages they whet their beaks, like the mob, at every turn.

"Congress and Fed Collude to Cause Mortgage Crisis"
Lessons of Great Depression give way to greed.
The history behind the mortgage fiasco and bank liquidity is a complex long intertwined affair.
After the Great Depression new financial regulations were put in place. For one, banks were barred from equity deals or brokerage operations. Then, fairly recently, Congress and the Fed gave in to the natural greed of the banks and let them return to brokerage/equity dealings. It is in no way surprising that subsequent to dismantling safeguards the present catastrophe should occur.

John Doe Pays for Excessive Financial Institution Risk Taking
The mechanisms for regulating excessive risk in banks are actually in place. If the mechanisms are not implemented on a timely basis the bank(s) then have deficient capital ratios.
When the pyramid scheming financial types go on a binge that entails red flag obvious 'excessive risk' taking, financial institution' equity hemorrhages and then Jon Doe's interest rates and margins get jacked up until the financial institutions replace the lost capital.
John and Jane Doe are paying a 'banker's greed tax.

Excerpts from these previous posts of mine are in agreement with and complementary to Mr. Kuttners great article.

Having, as a quasi-hippy in Brooks Bros' camouflage, made a wrong turn and ended up as an Int'l Financial guy, I have been in the belly of the beast and would like to make a few short comments.

Mr. Kuttner, am I correct that the lost capital, much of which has been stripped from these offending financial deals to enrich individual bankers is eventually replaced inter alia by higher margins to John and Jane Doe?

George Packer, in his 'Assassin's Gate' comments that in the 70's the personnel of the CIA changed from prep school Ivy League-ish types to 'bowlers.' I too saw the hereditary elites who perhaps brought a sort of nobless oblige to the money center banks lose out to a tougher bunch circa 1970. I cherish a story from a friend who became Sect'y of Commerce that epitomized this trend. By the late 80's even the gentlemanly veneer of Morgan Stanley had given way to Used Car Salesmen' 'Rules of the Road.'

Similarly when the old moneyed elite ceased to exercise restraints via owning controlling shares in major corporations, the vultures changed the rules heralding the present era of 'Embezzlement by Salary.'

Trust me, what the banks chase after when there's a wind up about a new profit phenomena boggles the mind. The spillage or losses from such rank stupid and uneconomic investments would manifestly cover the funding requirements of both social security and medi-everything very easily.

Enjoy.

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» 'Embezzlement by Salary.' Posted by: mmckinl
» 'Embezzlement by Salary.' Posted by: mmckinl
» RE: 'Embezzlement by Salary.' Posted by: cognitorex
What it comes down to...
Posted by: QuestionAuthority on Oct 11, 2007 4:14 PM   
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What it comes down to is that the Neo-Cons want to have their financial cake and eat it, too. It has worked well, but as always, there is no free lunch.

Once again, the taxpayers will be allowed the 'privilege' of bailing out the rich. If they balk, all the rich have to do is play up the consequences if there is no bailout, which is to allow a repeat of 1929 where most taxpayers lose their jobs and probably what little (relatively) they have.

Sweet deal, if your on the right side of it.

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» RE: What it comes down to... Posted by: Constitutionalist75
The needed revolutionary changes go far beyond enhanced oversight ....
Posted by: ekipnrut on Oct 11, 2007 6:52 PM   
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A mega pyramid Scheme of Schemes, interlocking global finance three card molly scams in various "utterly opaque" constructs.
All of which operated by technically brilliant apparatchiks in the culture of corruption -rife with "conflicts of interests"- in which their- hidden from general public view-ultimate plutocrat masters in the aristocracy of unbounded narcissistic atavism 'play' one crack/whore house of cards of neocolonialist exploitation against another. ("over leveraged"). Kuttner's analysis is eerily similiar to remarking that the problem with the Iraq war isn't the war in itself as an absolute ab initio and continuing War Crime..but rather the way in which it was
administratively or technically 'mismanaged.' Nevertheless
Kuttner did manage to give some comfort in acknowledging that much of the web of exotic financial instruments is not merely 'poorly understood' but effectively incomprehensible to even 'experts'.
Basic WTF Theory [see my comment and links therein near the end] But even if we assume that capitalism is a viable theory o consistent with species perpetuation as opposed to wars of
increasing savagery leading to eventual extinction....for some
of us this premise is at least questionable. And further go on to
assume that for this theory-capitalism- there exists a set of comprehensible implementing procedures , notwithstanding
EMH/fundamentalist battles..evidently another big assumption:
Fundamentalists vs EMHThere remain some 'problems' with the paradigms of simulation doctrines that seem to be a 'quantum' level of magnitude greater than that known in 1929:
Q...[See the Washington Post Wall Street's Math Brains...etc. article-it's the first listed] My point is that any analogizing of 1929 to 2007 needs to take into account the fairly profound changes in technologies available for financial instrument manipulation, but the discussion should also be thoroughly historically contextualized with respect to what led to and dominated the 1929 geopolitic:
D
Illustrates some of the main issues as well or better than most other synopses. The discussion about the gross disparities in
1929 US income distribution played a role are very in touch with the comment by zooeyhall (supra).
Too much INCOMPREHENSIBLE 'fine print' in an essentially
decadent and exploitative economic system pointlessly concentrating an enormity of wealth-beyond all reason-in a handful of basically unremarkable and undeserving human beings.

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The crash shall come from the national debt.
Posted by: PaulK on Oct 11, 2007 7:00 PM   
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Our national debt is out of control. It was in control when Bill Clinton left office. Since then we have been in a borrow and spend power dive. Also, the trade deficit has gone way out of control.

Can you borrow against the value of your good name and spend like crazy for several years? Sure you can, until everything crashes. Is the name of the United States of America good? Sure, until everything crashes.

Britain had a devaulation of the Pound Sterling after the 1920s. Brazil had crazy times until recently. Argentina had hard times recently. Mass delusions and crashes happen all the time, even to big stupid countries.

We're running into two unforgivable debt problems. First, the army on the ground is collectively missing so many brain cells from concussions and uranium poisoning that it collectively no longer works as well. No limbs, either. Sort of a living dead version of cannon fodder. Second, the Republicans have been spending like a sailor and at some point the world (us too) will panic in our need to all pull money out of the US.

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Economics
Posted by: farmertx on Oct 11, 2007 7:35 PM   
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I can't pretend to understand all there is to know about money and its place in the world.
But it would seem to an unschooled person that if you spend a lot more money than you actually have, bad things happen.
I can see where a credit worthy individual or country could borrow more money than they would reasonably be able to pay back quickly. But does that make it a practical option?
It would almost seem that many Republican's actually think that Government can get by without any taxes to fund the services that we expect Government to provide.
I am the first to agree that some entitlement programs go way too far.
But where is the cry to eliminate the fraud and waste that accompany most Government spending? All I hear from the politician's is No More Taxes.
We could go a long way in solving the Immigration problem by purging the welfare rolls and public schools of illegal immigrants. And that would reduce spending money in those areas, allowing that money to be used elsewhere. But no one in office suggests such things. Just hold the line on taxes.
Even Shrubs' daddy knew that taxes were a necessary evil, although he called it Revenue Enhancement.
Shrub commented long ago that Reagan proved that Deficit Spending wasn't bad. And Shrub has a college education? Plus a MBA from Harvard?
'Course, Shrub won't have to worry about how bad he leaves things. His money is no doubt hidden offshore and he likely has an estancia in the Southern Cone where he can hide out just as the Nazi leadership did.

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little person
Posted by: jdkd on Oct 12, 2007 9:16 AM   
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just read this and must say i dont "get" economics, and live very simply. i do have a 403b at my work and also a small mutual funds account with $10,000.00 from a divorce settlement some years back...but only recently invested it 3 years ago, due to my own fears and ignorance of the system. this article is scary to me, i am a single woman with a good job at present, but yet alone. I am all i have!! it is up to me to provide my future, at age 56 .......wow, now i wonder if i should just quit investing in the 403b and draw out the other money and just keep sticking it in a jar in the back yard....but the money (paper)will still be worthless????? and i wonder what my children will be facing....they are all young adults just starting out...i have taught them, if you cant afford it, DO not charge and borrow....altho i have a loan on the house and car.....what to do??? and i know it is the "little" people who hold things together and do the work.....i see it in my work every day....(healthcare)...thanks for listening

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» RE: little person Posted by: MartianBachelor
» RE: little person Posted by: macdon1
The Purpose of Globalization
Posted by: macdon1 on Oct 14, 2007 3:48 PM   
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After watching the documentary "Money as Debt" I understand the moving force behind globalization. World domination anyone?

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What was not said
Posted by: TRC on Oct 15, 2007 8:03 PM   
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Kuttner is an establishment economics "journalist". What he did not tell you is that the Federal Reserve is a private banking consortium which loans money to the government. Deficit spending is goooood business for the Fed. Governmental and corporate bailouts are goooood business for the Fed. Taxpayers are paying the interest. Why Not!
Mr Kuttner tries to explain the rationale of policies which are risky and which have led to meltdowns in the past. It does not really make sense until you understand what the Fed is and how our backbraking service to making rich people richer is too good to allow a meltdown. Not when they can enslave us with more dept while enriching themselves in the process. When greed gets the best of them it will be far too late for us.
Anyone interested in the Fed should buy Aaron Russo's documentary "America-Freedom to Fascism".

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