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Would a President Hillary Investigate Bush's Eight Years of Scandal?

By Robert Parry, Consortium News. Posted October 5, 2007.


If elected, would Hillary Clinton sweep Bush White House scandals under the rug like her husband did?

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Editor's Note: As Hillary Clinton has emerged as a frontrunner for the Democratic presidential nomination, this excerpt from Consortium News Editor Robert Parry's book, "Secrecy & Privilege: The Rise of the Bush Dynasty from Watergate to Iraq," is required reading on the issue of how an elected Hillary Clinton may treat the eight years of crime and scandal from the second Bush presidency.

The excerpt opens with a scene early in the second year of Bill Clinton's presidency with him explaining to White House guests why he didn't pursue geopolitical scandals that had implicated George H.W. Bush in gross abuses of power and arguably criminal acts.

President Clinton made clear he saw historical truth as less important than his hopes for Republican cooperation on his domestic agenda. But this willingness to sweep major scandals under the rug left the White House back door ajar for a restoration of the Bush Family dynasty a half dozen years later -- with disastrous consequences for the American Republic.

The relevance of this story today is that Bill Clinton's misguided "pragmatism" seems to a characteristic of Hillary Clinton's political persona, too, as she hedges her positions on the Iraq War and signals a willingness to support a dangerous confrontation with Iran.

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Excerpted from the Chapter, "The Wedding"

The light from the setting sun streamed through the windows of the East Room after the first White House wedding in more than two decades. Guests were picking desserts from a buffet table and conversing, some gesturing with crystal champagne flutes in hand.

Despite the formality of the surroundings, the event had a relaxed air. Earlier, President Bill Clinton had given a gracious toast in honor of the wedding couple -- Tony Rodham and Nicole Boxer -- and played the saxophone to entertain their families and friends.

The groom was Clinton's brother-in-law; the bride was the daughter of his political ally, Senator Barbara Boxer of California. Many other guests had supported his campaign for the White House two years earlier.
Clinton, a tall man renowned for his personal magnetism and ability to focus on each individual he meets at least for a few fleeting seconds, was moving among the guests like a host at the latter stages of a house party. Unlike many of the guests sipping from crystal or drinking from coffee cups, Clinton carried in his large hands a mug with the presidential seal.

As he came upon one knot of guests, Clinton started talking like one might chat with neighbors about troubles at work. He complained about how rancorous Washington had become, how beleaguered he felt, how horribly the press was treating him.

"He was unburdening himself," recalled Stuart Sender, a Los Angeles-based documentary filmmaker who was one of the guests.

Sixteen months into his Presidency, Clinton was learning about the hard-knuckled realities of the new Washington where campaigns never stop, where there is no respite for governance between elections.

Clinton was getting clobbered by the Republicans and by the news media over an old real-estate deal in Arkansas, known as Whitewater. The political heat had gotten so searing that Clinton had consented to the appointment of a special prosecutor.

Philandering

There had been a firestorm, too, over allegations from Arkansas state troopers about Clinton's philandering as governor. A woman named Paula Jones had emerged from that controversy with claims that Clinton had crudely propositioned her.

He also was taking flak over the firing of employees in the White House Travel Office, and there were bizarre suspicions circulating about the suicide of White House deputy counsel Vincent Foster, who had come with the Clintons from Arkansas.

Foster shot himself in the head after growing despondent over the harsh press criticism he had received for his role in the Travel Office affair, but some conservatives were spreading rumors of a deeper mystery.

Clinton felt besieged not only by aggressive Republicans but by the national press corps. Since the last Democratic President, Jimmy Carter, left office in 1981, a powerful conservative media had come into its own. Every day, radio talk show host Rush Limbaugh regaled his millions of listeners with three hours of ridicule directed at Clinton and his wife, Hillary.

Besides Limbaugh, there were scores of imitators and wannabes all over talk radio, such as Watergate convict G. Gordon Liddy and Iran-Contra figure, retired Marine Lieutenant Colonel Oliver North.

Right-wing print outlets also were growing in number and in influence, the likes of the American Spectator and The Washington Times, not to mention The Wall Street Journal's editorial pages and conservative columnists in newspapers across the country. Many of the commentators also appeared on TV political chat shows to reprise their opinions for millions of more Americans nationwide.

Anti-Clinton books and videos were selling fast, too. The annual Conservative Political Action Conference in February 1994 looked like a trade show for "I-hate-Clinton" paraphernalia.

Many mainstream journalists at outlets such as NBC News and The New York Times also joined in the Clinton bashing, seemingly eager to prove that they could be tougher on a Democrat than any Republican. They were determined to show they weren't the "liberal media" that the conservatives had railed against since the U.S. defeat in Vietnam and the Watergate scandal that sank Richard Nixon's presidency in 1974.

Indeed, it was The Washington Post, the newspaper credited with unraveling the Watergate mystery, which had led the charge on the Whitewater case with front-page stories that put Clinton in a public relations corner, forcing him to acquiesce to a special prosecutor.

Spring Day

So, on that warm spring day of May 28, 1994, Clinton hosted the Rodham-Boxer wedding -- the first at the White House since Nixon hosted the nuptials of his daughter Tricia and Edward Cox in 1971.

The Boxer-Rodham wedding had started 90 minutes behind schedule because Clinton returned late from a golf game. The anxious bride and groom learned that nothing happens at the White House until the President is ready.

But the nervousness was put into historical perspective by Clinton's toast. He recalled that the last time a wedding reception was planned for the East Room was 1814, when the event was interrupted by the British attack on Washington and the burning of the White House.

Almost 180 years later, the White House was under siege again -- or so it felt to Clinton - only this time the guys with the torches were the Republicans and the target of their flames was the first Democratic President in 12 years.

As the spring sun was setting and the wedding event was winding down, Clinton's mind was gearing back up. He was thinking about the nasty political battles all around him. Making the rounds at the party at his White House home, he was looking for a sympathetic hearing.

Stuart Sender and his wife Julie Bergman Sender were admiring the glorious scene in the ornate East Room. "All of a sudden we looked up and there was President Clinton," Stuart Sender said.

The chitchat soon turned to Clinton's complaints about his ill treatment at the hands of the news media.

"He started the conversation by saying how horrible the press is being to him," said Julie Bergman Sender, a Hollywood producer, political activist and daughter of songwriters Alan and Marilyn Bergman. "I was looking around at the planters. I was thinking, 'you're not standing in your living room, really.'"

Questions for Clinton

Stuart Sender, who had worked as a journalist on the Reagan-Bush-era Iran-Contra and Iraqgate scandals, had a different reaction. He wondered why Clinton had never pursued those investigations of Republican wrongdoing when he became President in January 1993.

After all, Sender thought, those were real scandals, involving secret dealings with unsavory regimes. Top Republicans allegedly had helped arm Iraq's Saddam Hussein as well as the radical Islamic mullahs of Iran, violations both of law and constitutional principles.

Those actions had then been surrounded by stout defenses by Republicans and their media allies. The protection had taken on the look of systematic cover-ups, sometimes even obstruction of justice, to spare the top echelons of the Reagan-Bush administrations from accountability. These weren't like the trivial allegations besetting Clinton's Presidency.

Indeed, as Clinton was heading into office at the start of 1993, four investigations were underway that implicated senior Republicans in potential criminal wrongdoing.

The Iran-Contra arms-for-hostages case was still alive, with special prosecutor Lawrence Walsh furious over new evidence that President George H.W. Bush may have obstructed justice by withholding his own notes from investigators and then ducking an interview that Walsh had put off until after the 1992 elections.

Bush also had sabotaged the investigation by pardoning six Iran-Contra defendants on Christmas Eve 1992, possibly the first presidential pardon ever issued to protect the same President from criminal liability. In granting the pardons, Bush had denigrated the Iran-Contra charges as the "criminalization of policy differences."
 
In late 1992, Congress also was investigating Bush's alleged role in secretly aiding Iraq's Saddam Hussein during and after Hussein's eight-year-long war with Iran.

Representative Henry Gonzalez, a Democrat from Texas who had served three decades in Congress, led the charge in exposing intricate financial schemes that the Reagan-Bush administrations had employed to assist Hussein.

There also were allegations of indirect U.S. military aid through third countries, claims that Bush and other Republican leaders emphatically denied.

Lesser known investigations were examining two other sets of alleged wrongdoing: the so-called October Surprise issue (allegations that Bush and other Republicans had interfered with Jimmy Carter's hostage negotiations with Iran during the 1980 campaign) and the Passportgate affair (evidence that Bush operatives had improperly searched Clinton's passport file in 1992, looking for dirt that could be used to discredit his patriotism and secure reelection for Bush).

All told, the four sets of allegations, if true, would paint an unflattering portrait of the 12-year Republican rule, with two illegal dirty tricks (October Surprise and Passportgate) book-ending ill-considered national security schemes in the Middle East (Iran-Contra and Iraqgate).

Had the full stories been told, the American people might have perceived the legacies of Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush quite differently than they do today.

Dropped Investigations

But the Clinton administration and congressional Democrats dropped all four investigations beginning in early 1993, either through benign neglect -- by failing to hold hearings and keeping the issues alive in the news media -- or by actively closing the door on investigative leads.

Clinton's disinterest in these scandals had mystified some activists in the Democratic base and some investigators who, like Stuart Sender, had watched as the rug was pulled from under these historic inquiries.

After the investigations died, some Democrats in Congress, who had participated in the aborted probes, came under nasty Republican attacks as did journalists who had pursued the stories.

Gonzalez had raised the ire of George H.W. Bush's administration by revealing that Bush and other senior Republicans had followed an ill-fated covert policy of coddling Saddam Hussein, disclosures that had rained on Bush's parade after the U.S. military victory over Iraq in the first Persian Gulf War in 1991.

Now, Gonzalez was left looking like a foolish old man, a kind of modern-day Don Quixote tilting at windmills.

The same could be said of Lawrence Walsh, a lifelong Republican who crossed his own party by challenging the cover stories that had shielded top Republicans caught up in the Iran-Contra Affair.

In pressing investigations into alleged obstructions of justice, Walsh had found his reputation under ad hominem attacks from The Washington Times and other parts of the conservative news media for petty matters such as ordering room-service meals and flying first-class.

Walsh was so stunned by the ferocity of the Republican defensive strategy that he entitled his memoirs Firewall in recognition of the impenetrable barrier that was built to keep the Iran-Contra scandal away from Reagan and Bush.

Walsh, too, was dismissed by many Washington insiders as a foolish old man, though the literary metaphor for Walsh was Moby Dick's Captain Ahab, obsessively pursuing the white whale.
 
But letting the outgoing Reagan-Bush team off the hook hadn't earned the Democrats any measure of bipartisan reciprocity.

In spring 1994, in the weeks before the Rodham-Boxer wedding, Clinton had begun to sense the rising tide of political danger that the non-stop attacks against him represented.

By damaging Clinton's public image, the Republicans were also undercutting his legislative plans on economic, budget and health-care policies. He was looking for allies and some sympathy.

Clinton's Thinking

As waiters poured coffee at the wedding reception and Clinton voiced his complaints about the media hostility, Stuart Sender saw his chance to ask Clinton why he hadn't pursued leads about the Reagan-Bush secret initiatives in the Middle East.

"I had this moment to say to him, 'What are you going to do about this? Why aren't you going after them about Iran-Contra and Iraqgate?'" Sender said. "If the shoe were on the other foot, they'd sure be going after our side. ... Why don't you go back after them, their high crimes and misdemeanors?"

But Clinton brushed aside the suggestion.

"It was very clear that that wasn't what he had in mind at all," Sender said. "He said he felt that Judge Walsh had been too strident and had probably been a bit too extreme in how he had pursued Iran-Contra. Clinton didn't feel that it was a good idea to pursue these investigations because he was going to have to work with these people.

"To me what was amazingly telling was his dig at Walsh, this patrician Republican jurist who had been put in charge of this but even the Democratic President had decided that this was somewhere that he couldn't go. He was going to try to work with these guys, compromise, build working relationships."

Sender, like others who had been in the trenches of the national security scandals of the 1980s, thought the retreat on the investigations by Clinton and the Democrats after they won the 1992 elections was wrong for a host of reasons.

Most importantly, it allowed an incomplete, even false history to be written about the Reagan-Bush era, glossing over many of the worst mistakes.

The bogus history denied the American people the knowledge needed to assess how relationships had evolved between the United States and Middle East leaders, including Iraq's Saddam Hussein, the Saudi royal family and the Iranian mullahs. The corruption was left to fester.

Though the Middle East crises had receded by the time Clinton took office in 1993, the troubles had not gone away and were sure to worsen again. When that time came, the American people would have only a sanitized version of how the country got where it was.

Even government officials responsible for the policies would have only a partial history of how these entangling alliances crisscrossed through the deals and betrayals of the prior two decades.

Dynastic Revival

The Democratic retreat from the investigative battles in 1993 would have another profound effect on the future of American politics. By letting George H.W. Bush leave the White House with his reputation intact -- and even helping Bush fend off accusations of serious wrongdoing -- the Democrats unwittingly cleared the way for a restoration of the Bush political dynasty eight years later.

If investigators had dug out the full truth about alleged secret operations involving George H.W. Bush, the family's reputation would have been badly tarnished, if not destroyed.

Since that reputation served as the foundation for George W. Bush's political career, it's unlikely that he ever would have gained the momentum to propel him to the Republican presidential nomination, let alone to the White House.

The political future of the Bush family was at a crossroads as Bill Clinton was taking office in January 1993. The Bushes' fate also was largely in the hands of Democrats who controlled both houses of Congress, the White House and the Justice Department.

Beyond that, the Democrats had a potential Republican ally in Iran-Contra special prosecutor Walsh.

A different set of decisions by the Democrats in those months could have set the nation on a very different course. The Democratic control of the Executive Branch might not have ended after eight years. Conceivably, the calamities of the last four years, including a renewed war in Iraq, might have been averted.

But, in 1993, Clinton and the Democratic congressional leadership concluded that pursuit of these "old" scandals would only embitter the Republicans, make the Democratic Party look vindictive and endanger the bipartisanship that Clinton saw as essential for his domestic policy agenda.

The scandals also were complicated affairs, requiring detailed understanding of the underlying facts. Much of what happened had occurred in secret and involved foreign witnesses spread over several continents. The events covered more than a decade in time.

Washington Outsider

An outsider to Washington, Clinton also didn't comprehend how the nation's capital had changed, how nasty the partisan conflict had become, and how effectively the Republicans were building a media machine that could churn out a coordinated message day-in, day-out, 365 days a year.

Besides serving Republican political interests, this machine had taken on a life of its own. With 24-hour news cycles and endless hours to fill on talk radio shows, it needed controversy to survive.

When no longer playing defense for the Republicans, the conservative media machine was freed up to go on the offensive. Clinton and his wife would become its primary targets.

Rather than his hoped-for bipartisan cooperation on domestic issues, Clinton soon encountered a solid wall of Republican opposition. In a break with tradition, every Republican in the House and Senate voted against Clinton's budget plan, which included tax increases aimed mostly at the wealthy.

Backed with only Democratic votes, Clinton managed to push through his plan by the narrowest of margins. Some Democrats sacrificed their political careers in the House by supporting the tax provisions and Vice President Al Gore was needed to break a tie vote in the Senate.

By spring 1994, Clinton's health care plan also was under fierce Republican attack.

"He really did have this idea that he'd be able to work with these guys," Sender recalled about his White House encounter with Clinton. "It seemed even at the time terribly naïve that these same Republicans were going to work with him if he backed off on congressional hearings or possible independent prosecutor investigations.

"How ironic that he decides he's not going to pursue this when later on they impeach him for the Monica Lewinsky scandal."

Attack Machine

Though the Bush family wasn't intimately associated with the building of the Republican attack machine that so bedeviled Clinton in the 1990s, the rise of the Bush Dynasty paralleled the growth of what some observers have called the conservative Counter-Establishment.

Pieces of this Counter-Establishment date back to the 1950s and 1960s, but it gained powerful motivation from the political disasters of the 1970s.

By the middle of that decade, embattled conservatives were cursing the fates that had plagued them through the Watergate scandal, the U.S. defeat in Vietnam and the exposure of intelligence abuses inside the CIA.

Those reversals, particularly the forced resignation of Richard Nixon over Watergate, had devastated the Republican Party. By 1977, Republicans were shut out of the White House and both houses of Congress.

Conservatives also viewed the federal courts and the national news media as bastions of liberalism that had aided and abetted the Republican reversals of the mid-1970s.

Watergate also was where George H.W. Bush entered this picture, as Republican National Committee chairman during the latter half of the scandal.

A clean-cut former Texas congressman with ties both to Texas oil money and Wall Street financiers, Bush was given the task of containing the spreading political cancer of Watergate after the initial cover-up of the White House role in the break-in had bought Nixon enough time to secure his reelection in 1972.

In his RNC post, Bush tested out some of the tactics that would recur throughout his career.

He used counter-disclosures to throw Democratic investigators on the defensive. He pushed Nixon's argument that there was nothing new about the covert political espionage at the heart of the Watergate scandal. Bush also tried to cajole members of the Washington Establishment into agreeing that the disorder from Nixon's impeachment would hurt the nation.

But eventually the evidence of Nixon's guilt grew too overwhelming even for the cleverest of tricks to overcome. Bush was one of Nixon's last loyalists to conclude that the President had no choice but to resign and hand over the White House to Vice President Gerald Ford on August 9, 1974.

CIA Scandals

A little more than a year later, as another flood of scandals lapped around the foundations of the Central Intelligence Agency, Bush got the call again to perform damage control.

This time, to keep the dikes around the CIA's most sensitive secrets from giving way, Bush alternately cooperated with Congress in limited oversight and attacked the spy agency's critics for jeopardizing the nation's security.

When new scandals emerged on his watch, such as the Chilean junta's assassination of political opponent Orlando Letelier on the streets of Washington in September 1976, Bush again demonstrated his skills, stonewalling investigators and diverting the worst of the damage away from the CIA.

His performance during the year made Bush something of a hero to the beleaguered intelligence officers at Langley, Virginia.
 
With the election of Democrat Jimmy Carter in 1976, conservatives surveyed a bleak landscape left by the rubble of the Nixon resignation and the Vietnam defeat. Some felt desperation that -- like a hangman's noose -- concentrated their minds. Others saw opportunities.

Whatever the motivations, the next four years marked the start of a historic comeback for American conservatism, both in the construction of a new political infrastructure and the emergence of a fighting style that would transform the tone of the nation's political discourse.

Led by former Treasury Secretary William Simon, conservative foundations banded together to direct tens of millions of dollars into strategic investments in a network of think tanks, media outlets and pressure groups that went after perceived enemies in the news media, academia and politics.

Though this network would eventually become famous for taking the fight to its adversaries, particularly Bill and Hillary Clinton, its original purpose was essentially defensive. It was built to ensure that the Republican Party would never suffer another catastrophe like Watergate.

By 1980, the Republicans were fighting fiercely to regain the White House that many conservatives felt was unjustly taken from them in 1976.

President Carter struggled with a slumping economy, rising inflation and energy shortages. His reelection campaign also played out against the backdrop of an international crisis with Islamic fundamentalists in Iran holding 52 Americans hostage.

This early experience with Islamic extremism captivated the interest of the American people -- and incited their anger.

Every day, CBS News anchor Walter Cronkite reported the number of days that America had been "held hostage." ABC's Ted Koppel launched a nightly news show about the hostage crisis that would later turn into Nightline.

Many world leaders, including Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin and the Saudi royal family, felt that Carter was making a mess of policy in the Middle East and elsewhere.

Angry Agency

Carter was unpopular at the CIA, too, where his CIA Director Stansfield Turner had cashiered scores of covert operatives. Longtime CIA officers, such as associate deputy director for operations Ted Shackley, saw their careers abruptly come to an end.

Shackley and other former CIA officers saw a hope for redemption in Election 1980 as their ex-boss, George H.W. Bush, sought the Republican presidential nomination.

Though Bush lost to Ronald Reagan in the Republican primaries, Bush accepted the second spot on the ticket at the GOP convention in Detroit. In merging the two campaigns, Bush brought into the Reagan-Bush team many retired CIA officers who had been part of Bush's political operation.

They began putting to use their intelligence skills against Carter. Former CIA officers took on the job of monitoring Carter's attempts to gain the release of the hostages before Election Day. Some of their intelligence reports went through Bush.

In the months before the 1980 election, Carter failed to gain the hostages' freedom. The public's frustration over the humiliating standoff helped turn a close race in October into a Reagan landslide in November.

The hostages were finally released just as Reagan was sworn in as the nation's 40th President on January 20, 1981. Bush became Vice President and served as the administration's chief national security expert.

Over the next decade, a mixed bag of intelligence operatives, arms dealers and Iranian officials began to allege that the Republicans had gone beyond monitoring Carter's hostage negotiations and had engaged in parallel negotiations behind Carter's back.

Some witnesses claimed that Bush had personally participated in these so-called "October Surprise" contacts. Those clandestine Republican-Iranian relationships allegedly merged by the mid-1980s with the secret Iran-Contra deals.

When those Iran-Contra arms-for-hostage swaps surfaced in late 1986, the Reagan-Bush team suffered its worst scandal of its 12-year reign. Some investigators viewed Bush as the well-protected eminence grise behind the secret operations.

Saddam Suspicions

New suspicions about Bush arose in 1991 as other allegations bubbled to the surface about secret dealings with Iraq's Saddam Hussein during the 1980s. Faced with these investigative threats to continued Republican rule, conservatives mounted powerful rearguard defenses, made possible by the new infrastructure that had been built in the years since Watergate.

Soon, it was the investigators who found themselves on the defensive, often labeled "conspiracy theorists" or worse.
 
The other Bush-related scandal pending at the start of the Clinton Presidency came directly from Campaign 1992. It had the look of a classic dirty trick out of Richard Nixon's playbook.

Desperate for a "silver bullet" to kill Clinton's electoral viability, State Department political appointees pawed through the passport files of Clinton and his mother, looking for information that could be used to challenge Clinton's patriotism.

The goal of the search was a rumored letter in which Clinton supposedly sought to renounce his citizenship during the Vietnam War.

The search failed to find such a letter but administration officials noticed a torn corner of Clinton's passport application and cited that to fashion a criminal referral to the FBI, suggesting that someone may have tampered with the file to remove the supposed letter.

The existence of the criminal referral was then leaked to the press allowing President Bush to question Clinton's loyalty. However, when the weakness of Bush's case was revealed, the passport search boomeranged on Bush, creating political embarrassment and leading to appointment of a special prosecutor.

Failed Strategy
 


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Robert Parry broke many of the Iran-Contra stories in the 1980s for the Associated Press and Newsweek. His latest book, Neck Deep: The Disastrous Presidency of George W. Bush, was written with two of his sons, Sam and Nat, and can be ordered at neckdeepbook.com. His two previous books, Secrecy & Privilege: The Rise of the Bush Dynasty from Watergate to Iraq and Lost History: Contras, Cocaine, the Press & 'Project Truth' are also available there. Or go to Amazon.com.

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Those that live in glass houses......
Posted by: rocketman on Oct 5, 2007 2:46 AM   
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It is highly unlikely that one president would go after a former president.. but that said..should that door be opened, Clinton would be pretty worried about who would start looking at their scandals.

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» Clinton was/is still a scumbag Posted by: Iconoclast421
What would our Founding Fathers think and do?
Posted by: mizipi on Oct 5, 2007 3:09 AM   
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Democrats seem to be no different than Republicans, only less successful in political matters. Outright crime against the people of the USA is seldom investigated. We should trash our Constitution and Bill of Rights and bow down to the Royalty that now runs our nation. Only then, maybe, the people of this country would awake to the terrible mess we are in. Politics, like religion, is the opiate of the masses, or so it seems to me...........

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follow the money...
Posted by: Suzon on Oct 5, 2007 4:07 AM   
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Money is power and who has the money? The corporateers. The corporateers with the most influence own the media. The politicians need the money. Those elected go into office already compromised.

Perhaps we need to give clemency to our "representatives" when they are sworn into office. Forgive everything up to that point, but forgive nothing after it.

Here's an idea: Elected state district attorneys to bring charges against federal officials for actions or negligence impacting their state. Red states and blue states might have different grievances and biases, no bad thing.

Or we could just fill congresss with ordinary people chosen in a lottery draw. One term and you've had your turn.

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» ...it'll lead you to the criminals Posted by: lakotasweatlodge
Clinton's scandals...
Posted by: MrTangent on Oct 5, 2007 4:31 AM   
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Like?

Oh, you mean Whitewater? The one where the charged were dropped and no evidence found of Clinton's malfeasance?

Oh, you mean the Lewinsky affair? The one that everyone knows about and was basically none of the American people's business?

What other scandals, pray tell?

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» No one is perfect, but Posted by: mizipi
» Trap.... Posted by: CatDad
» Speaking of 5 year olds Posted by: mizipi
Pelosi Learned Well
Posted by: Urstrly on Oct 5, 2007 6:14 AM   
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I don't know who coached Speaker Pelosi into taking impeachment off the table, but, like the Clintons, she walked away from the most damaging partisan weapon she held. Likewise, the Clintons seem happier embrace righteous indignation than, to paraphrase John Dean, expose the cancer still growing on the presidency. Perhaps they believe that the expanding unilateral powers Bush has grabbed will serve them some day.

All three top Democratic presidential candidates seem to have bought into the Clinton logic, so we not only have to worry about someone like Guiliani or McCain perpetuating this travesty in Iraq and perhaps invading Iran but about the Democrats regaining the White House but continuing along the same corrupt path. Conventional wisdom is a dangerous thing.

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» RE: Pelosi Learned Well Posted by: Intellect
» RE: Pelosi Learned Well Posted by: 1gma
Irrelevant
Posted by: Leman on Oct 5, 2007 6:10 AM   
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Even if we jump on the author's bandwagon and find all this completely outrageous (which I personally don't - no President will ever go after an ex-) - what is the relevance of this "scandal" to Hillary's candidacy? Oh, I forgot - she has the same last name. Wow, that's deep!...

P.S. I am no Democrat and definitely not a fan of Mrs. Clinton. That does not mean, however, that I should rejoice at every scribble that attempts to undermine her. Criticizing her voting record is OK, making fun of her robotic behavior is kinda acceptable. Writing a piece that has absolutely nothing to do with her and claiming that somehow it does - nah. I love reading propaganda (both left and right) and consider it a form of art. Needless to say, this article does not belong in any reputable gallery - not even next to Ann Coulter's babbling.

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» RE: Irrelevant Posted by: StPeteRican
» RE: Irrelevant Posted by: Leman
» RE: Irrelevant Posted by: 1gma
has everyone forgotten Jeff Gannon or how about Franklin Cover up
Posted by: TRUTHer on Oct 5, 2007 6:16 AM   
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One of the biggest scandals, that was hushed up pretty quick, was the Franklin Cover up. Not only did it cover up the failed credit unions schemes, the worst was the bringing of young boys to the Reagan/Bush White House. Look it up, its an extremely interesting ride. And very sick.
http://www.thelawparty.com/FranklinCoverup/franklin.htm

We also have Jeff Gannon, over 100 visits up stairs to the White House without checking out....hmmmm. Don't forget Victor Ashe.. another Bush scandal they tried to sweep under the rug. He was mayor of Knoxville, sent him away when bushie stole Presidency. So much, so little time. Believe me, what the bushes have done, makes Clinton look like a choir boy. While your at it, funny how bush is always around when danger lurks. Old bush with CIA and in Dallas when Kennedy killed. Old bush VP when Reagan shot, plus they were friends of the family of the kid who shot Reagan. Oh, lets not forget their tie to Osama and Family......and on and on and on...coincidence you say...LOL

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» pfft! Posted by: KaptainSpiffy
BUZZ: Proposed People's Campaign to Assert Our Full Western Democratic Rights on Nov. 4 2007 ( new
Posted by: etisoppa on Oct 5, 2007 7:08 AM   
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I am sure it is all our experience, or "sense-of-it" that the NWO powers-that-be do not want "people" talking about "mind assault technology" especially as an actuality.

I am going to assume that you are ALL like me 100% four-square behind the US Constitutionals our modern Democratic Western democracy civilization of individual rights freedom of thought, expression and congregation. We did not defeat the Totalitarian Communists just to become a Totalitarian society on ANY basis at all.

I am suggesting a campaign where we assert to these NWO people that we as still Western democracies with ALL our rights 100% intact. NOT one % point of our rights have been forfeited for ANYTHING.

So to make sure they understand this I am proposing that we start a campaign where on this November 4th we are all as free citizens, going to talk about "mind assault technology" to each other , to the media, on the net any place we can, whether we believe in mind assault technology or not.

We have to let these NWO people understand that our full Western individual rights are still intact and it is something we are proud of. We feel proud of being part of this civilization which, in theory, demands the best of qualities in each person.


WE WANT TO CREATE AN INTERNET "BUZZ" THAT WILL BECOME A FULL BUZZ. POST THE IDEA ON WEBSITES ON ALTERNATIVE NEWS SITE ETC.
POST WITH PEOPLE KNOWN TO BE 100% BEHIND OUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS IN POLITICS , MEDIA, GROUPS WITH CONSTITUTIONAL VIEWS ETC.


AS to any who may have any belief-system reservations about doing this
( I sense thee may be some) just remember we must use as role models, those who have lived and are fully living, the Christian principles especially in regards to how they have treated others. To find such individuals, look where there are or have been Christians who have assisted others without regard to their faith or belief and have not tried or conditioned their regard, assistance, respect and treatment on being able preach to or convert others. And remember the lives of those who are from other belief-systems, cultures, religions ( or not) and who have lived just as exemplary lives as these other role-models.


NO one can convince me that usage of this mind assault technology is part of ANY civilized religious practices. And if anyone wants to build a religious practice around this technology, we are ALL protected from such abuses under the Constitutions of our Western democratic civilization!

I am sure no one takes their rights as BS . For psychological and other reasons we ALL HAVE TO DO THIS!


I am sure no one takes their rights as BS . For psychological and other reasons we ALL HAVE TO DO THIS! This in history-in-our-face. This is what it feels like. This is what it felt like in 1776, or 1789 with the French Revolution. WE MUST step up!

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Dem and GOP elite two sides of the coin
Posted by: synapse on Oct 5, 2007 7:44 AM   
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Why does Alternet persist in running articles that ignore the political realities of our phony two-party system? Careful observation of the alternating power structure reveals itself as a neoliberal/neoconservative globalization tagteam.

High ranking Dem politicians have never addressed the type of atrocities committed against other sovereign nations such as those described in Naomi Klein's Shock Doctrine. Dem elites are hardly indistinguishable from the American fascists controlling the CIA (CIA = Wallstreet), the U.S. military, and America's economic might. These corporatists use their power and vast sums of money to pillage at home and abroad and the only response we get from "progressive" leaders is feigned indignation and posturing.

The Clintons and Bushes are two sides of the same coin. Bush Sr. and Bill have been close chums for some time now. In fact, Barbara Bush has said that Bill is like one of her sons. Recent reports have "W" briefing Hillary behind the scenes on how to manage the war in Iraq.

The Clintons are on board with the Milton Friedman's version of global fascism. In fact, it was under Clinton's administration that the massive project to privatize the U.S. prison system was started. (For a closer examination, read Catherine Austin Fitts' article on the aristrocracy of prison profits.)

There so many liasons between supposed left wing and right wing ideological adversaries that it defies the imagination to believe the current system is not much more than creative showmanship. Consider that Hillary has a very friendly relationship with FOX media magnate Murdoch. How many Kerry supporters questioned his marriage to Heinz, a wealthy Republican plutocrat? What about Schwarzenegger, famous for saying 95% of the population needs to be told what to do, hooking up with Shriver, a Kennedy "liberal". The bizarre marriage of Bill Clinton's good buddy James Carville and his vile-spewing right-wing wife Mary Matalin - their combative exchanges on TV made for a peculiar form of theater but not much else.


Until the progressive community realizes that our two party system has devolved into a corporatist tag-team, there will be no meaningful change to the status quo.

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CLINTON WAS NOT SUPPOSED TO GET ELECTED
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Oct 5, 2007 8:17 AM   
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Old George was the sure winner. The election was a shocker. The Neocons spent the next 8 yrs. making Clinton's life miserable. Please, enough about the women. He kept us out of major wars and financially we were all better off. He didn't get elected to investigate prior administrations. If that were the case, why didn't Old George Run Reagan through the wringer over Iran Contra? That was a big deal. Took us to where we are today. Thanks, ANNA

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» Iran Contra Posted by: Iconoclast421
» RE: Iran Contra GOOD POINT Posted by: VZEQICVA
Bill Clinton and the Tri-Lateral Commission..
Posted by: TJ-stars4peace on Oct 5, 2007 8:30 AM   
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Bill if a Tri-Lateral Commission member and the Bilderbergers have him by the short hairs..

The really serious thing that inhibits Bill Clinton is the Bush family and government having him by the short hairs is over selling our Intermediate Range Missile designs and nose cone designs to Red China..

As well as allowing the son of the Red Chinese missile core a job were he could steal the software they needed to test and build our stolen nuclear arsenal and fit them to these missiles that now threaten us but mostly our entire navy in the western Pacific..

There's a lot more to the Clinton/ Red China story and that's why I as a patriot could never again vote for a Clinton ..

Ever...

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Demo & Repugs. campaigning is rigged by the media's coverage....
Posted by: common intelligence on Oct 5, 2007 9:20 AM   
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Demo & Repugs. campaigning is rigged by the media's coverage....

... This is for sure.
In a side ways responds to the Dem and GOP elite two sides of the coin by synapse on’”,.he’s so right on.

As well though, if there was the slightest concern for any campaign reform, the media should cover campaigns for all the candidates, not just the ones the “polls” talk about.

If the media would give equal coverage to all candidates the people might see there are other choices than the ones being rammed down the publics throats. For the general public most don’t have the time or inclination to make an educated choice. They only vote for the one with the most “image” appeal. Not many voters read about the issues or can read between the line (up) to understand the consequences of their vote.

The media is the problem. They are the white washers of the wall that separate the people from information. They are the ones that keep people from understanding the news.

As long as the media is run by the profit motive as is the health / medical care system and associated corporations there is no hope for fair elections.

As long as people are lead to believe by the media, whom informs the people with after the fact news and marginal coverage of issues, the elections are predetermined.

All elections should happen simultaneous without broadcast of the Game Score.
It’s not a sporting event. (But people are sure lead on to respond to as if it were.)

Therefore, Hillary will be the Democratic primary winner. when Biden or Kucinich or Dodd should be covered in the campaign, regardless of how small their funding is. Because the news coverage is suppose to be about what the candidates have to offer the country (I think or I’d like it to be).

I as well as everyone else could go on and on about the two party illusion and deception (and then there are things like that schill distractor Liebermann the independent. My ass!) it is a reality!

But the scandal of power and control is in the hands of the money elete. Any thing we feel, know, want to change of fix with this broken nation can only happen in two ways as Karl Marx said, “.....change can only happen very slowly over a long period of time, or more quickly by a violent revolution”. This is what has been implemented by “them” in Iraq. But in this country, which I don’t call the United States any longer because it is not, the change will be lost in perspective as new generations come to be and the existing die off. By then we will have no concern or impact for sure.

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We should go back a bit further
Posted by: ReallyBearish on Oct 5, 2007 12:20 PM   
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and comment on the connection of Bush Grandpappy Prescott Bush to Nazi Germany. The stink coming out of the Bush family is old and rank.

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» Check the following: Posted by: ReallyBearish
Billary as Emperess and Consort
Posted by: Glennk1949 on Oct 5, 2007 2:43 PM   
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The Republic is all but dead now. The Christofascits and their Liberal enablers have finished it off.

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» That makes it all clear! Posted by: Beck
Mr.Gary F. Moraco
Posted by: Samson on Oct 5, 2007 3:17 PM   
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IT"S KNOWN IN SOME CIRCLES AS THE billy graham CULT.

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War Marches On
Posted by: InsertNameHere on Oct 5, 2007 7:46 PM   
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Hillary will talk about 'national reconciliation' and 'bipartisanship' and other such bullshit. She will then continue the war wholesale. More people will die. Has anything she has said up to this point led you to believe otherwise?

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A Purge, Anyone?
Posted by: rgoalierob on Oct 6, 2007 1:00 PM   
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Anyone?

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DON'T ALLOW HILLARY NEAR THE WHITE HOUSE.
Posted by: SALLY EVANS on Oct 6, 2007 8:33 PM   
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HILLARY HAS GONE REPUBLICAN ON US IS JUST WAITING WITH BAITED BREATH TO INVADE IRAN. THIS LADY WANTS ONLY ONE THING AND THAT IS POWER----THE AMERICAN PUBLIC BE DAMNED. DON'T LET IT HAPPEN!

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