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Bush's Agenda in Iran

By Reese Erlich, AlterNet. Posted October 3, 2007.


Half the warships in the U.S. Navy now sit within striking distance of the country, and Bush and Cheney have stepped up their anti-Iran rhetoric.

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I went on Fox News' Hannity & Colmes recently. It was the usual food fight where right-wing zealot Sean Hannity interrupts and hogs the camera, not allowing much dissent. But I was even more interested in the introduction read by liberal Alan Colmes.

We were debating whether Iran's President Ahmadinejad should be allowed to speak at Columbia University. Colmes supported free speech. But the introduction to the segment repeated typical Bush falsehoods about Iran, including that Iran is killing American soldiers in Iraq and it is a grave danger to Israel. Colmes later contacted me to explain that he didn't agree with the introduction, although he didn't make that clear on air.

Unfortunately all too many mainstream Democratic Party and other "liberal" leaders do agree with those lies about Iran.

On Sept. 26, by a vote of 76-22, the Senate passed a "sense of the Senate" resolution calling on the United States to declare Iran's Revolutionary Guards a terrorist organization. The resolution, pushed by former vice presidential candidate Sen. Joe Lieberman, continues the drum beat for war against Iran. While some staunch liberals such as Ted Kennedy and Barbara Boxer voted nay, Sens. Dianne Feinstein and Hillary Clinton voted yes. (Click here for a full roll call vote.)

The Bush administration is preparing public opinion for a possible bombing attack on Iran. As with the months prior to the Iraq invasion, major Democratic Party leaders are climbing on board.

Half the warships in the U.S. Navy now sit within striking distance of Iran. Bush and Cheney have stepped up their rhetoric accusing Iran of threatening to start a "nuclear holocaust." The British press are predicting that the Bush administration will bomb Iran in the near future.

The White House is using the same propaganda techniques to whip up popular opinion against Iran that it used four years ago against Iraq. Here's the real story.

Iran has no nuclear weapons and couldn't have them for years. The International Atomic Energy Agency, the U.N. body that was right about WMDs in Iraq, says it has no proof of Iranian plans to build nuclear bombs. The IAEA recently reached a binding agreement for Iran to reveal its past nuclear activities and allow full inspection of nuclear power sites.

The sophisticated EFPs (explosively formed penetrators) supposedly supplied by Iran to militias in Iraq are easily made in Iraqi machine shops and can be purchased commercially for mining operations.

For years Iran has given political, economic and military support to Shia and Kurdish militias, but the administration has never proven that Iran is intentionally targeting U.S. soldiers.

Iran does not plan, nor does it have the capability of "wiping Israel off the map." If Iran is such an immediate threat to Israel, why hasn't it already launched a conventional missile attack? Such aggression would invite immediate destruction of Iran by both Israel and the United States. So if Iran hasn't started a conventional attack in 28 years, why would it possibly launch an atomic attack, even assuming it could develop a few such weapons years from now? The Iranian leaders are angry; they are not crazy.

Iran does support Hizbollah in Lebanon and Hamas in Palestine, but such support does not constitute a threat of Jewish annihilation. The U.S. and Israeli governments consciously distort and exaggerate Iran's threat in order to justify immediate military action.

For two years the United States has helped splinter groups among Iran's ethnic minorities to blow up buildings, assassinate Revolutionary Guards and kill civilians in an effort to destabilize the Tehran regime. In short, the United States does to Iran what it accuses Iran of doing in Iraq.

The hardliners in the Bush administration, led by Cheney, see a dwindling opportunity to bomb Iran before Bush leaves office. They hope to launch a massive bombing campaign which will so weaken Tehran that the regime will fall and Iranians will see the United States as their savior. Does this sound the faintest bit familiar?

In reality, a U.S. attack would be disastrous. Iran could close the Strait of Hormuz, through which 25 percent of the world's oil supplies pass. Oil prices would skyrocket. Iran could encourage Hizbollah to launch missiles into Israel. Muslims would hold demonstrations in Europe, the Middle East and Asia. Iran could mobilize that anger and encourage Shiite parties in Iraq to attack U.S. troops.

In a truly nightmare scenario, Iran could encourage terrorist attacks inside the United States and in allied countries. When I interviewed Syria's President Bashar al-Asad in 2006, he said, "If you do a military strike, you will have chaos. It's very dangerous."

The people of Iran, leading democracy advocates and even conservative Iranian-American exile groups oppose an attack. They understand that U.S. bombs falling on Tehran will only rally people behind the current government.

In an open letter to the United Nations, former political prisoner and Iranian opposition leader Akbar Ganji wrote, "Even speaking about the possibility of a military attack on Iran makes things extremely difficult for human rights and pro-democracy activists in Iran. No Iranian wants to see what happened to Iraq or Afghanistan repeated in Iran."

I don't know with certainty if the United States will attack Iran. It is possible that the Bush administration is ratcheting up militarist rhetoric in order to intimidate European allies into tightening economic sanctions against Iran.

And the decision whether to bomb Iran depends, in part, on actions by the American people. Now is the time to let your national and local politicians know that we don't need another human disaster in the Middle East. Code Pink is organizing a national campaign to get local city councils to pass resolutions against attacks on Iran. Now is the time for anti-war demonstrations around the issues of both Iraq and Iran.

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Reese Erlich is author of the new book The Iran Agenda: the Real Story of U.S. Policy and the Middle East Crisis.

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Deja vu all over again
Posted by: vox persona on Oct 3, 2007 12:30 AM   
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I'm detting that queasy feeling that the chickensh*t chickenhawk neocons have plans and agendas and nothing is going to stop them. Not logic, history, public/world opinion, warnings of the dire consequences of attacking Iran.....nothing. There is one election that counts every four years, and that is where accountability ends. Now we have a boy emperor in charge who believes in the end times, as well as an Iranian leader who believes in the return on the 12th Imam, so both are on a collision course to make sure of the return of their saviour. It's like the convergence of the perfect storm, in slow motion and unstoppable. I have nothing against the Iranian people, they are probably just as big of victims as we are of foolish leadership, to put it kindly. Surely even Bush isn't that dumb.....is he?!? I guess he is King of the 'kill them all and let God sort 'em out' faction. May Dog have mercy on us all.

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» RE: Deja vu all over again Posted by: Badger1492
» RE: Deja vu all over again Posted by: MindyB
Can't Cheney get invaded instead? Half his swag is in Euros, just like Iran.
Posted by: eddie torres on Oct 3, 2007 1:18 AM   
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Is it the oil, or is it the dollar? Curiously absent from the recent Attack Iran propaganda cycle is talk of trading oil in Euros. Iran, like Iraq under Saddam and Venezuela under Chavez, has already started to deploy the ultimate anti-US WMD:

Al Jazeera, December 2006: "The Iranian central bank is to convert the state's foreign dollar assets into euros and use the euro for foreign transactions... Gholam Hossein Elham, a government spokesman, implied that the move to the euro would also apply to Iran's oil revenues. 'Foreign income sources and oil revenues will be calculated in euros and we will receive them in euros in order to put an end to our dependence on the dollar...'"

Ron Paul, February 2006: "In November 2000 Saddam Hussein demanded Euros for his oil. His arrogance was a threat to the dollar; his lack of any military might was never a threat... In 2001, Venezuela’s ambassador to Russia spoke of Venezuela switching to the Euro for all their oil sales. Within a year there was a coup attempt against Chavez, reportedly with assistance from our CIA... And once again there’s this urgent call for sanctions and threats of force against Iran at the precise time Iran is opening a new oil exchange with all transactions in Euros."

John Chapman in the Guardian, July 2004: "In 1999, Iran mooted pricing its oil in euros, and in late 2000 Saddam made the switch for Iraqi oil... If the other Opec countries had followed Saddam's move to euros, the consequences for Bush could have been huge. Worldwide switches out of the dollar, on top of the already huge deficit, would have led to a plummeting dollar, a runaway from US markets and dramatic upheavals in the US."

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» It should, Posted by: hurricane hugo
Who Will Tell the People ?
Posted by: mmckinl on Oct 3, 2007 1:29 AM   
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Bush has very few options and bombing Iran is a good one .

Why is Iran a 'good' option ?

Bush can say that Iran was responsible for Iraq turning out so bad. Bush gets the Neocons off his back . Bush thinks bombing Iran will raise his dismal ratings .

But by far the most important reason is to blame Iran for the coming rise in oil prices . Oil is at $80 you say ... Well its going a lot higher a lot sooner than you think unless the world stops growing so fast on the back of oil.

Peak Oil is the most important reason Bush needs to bomb Iran .

What is Peak Oil ? Peak Oil is the point at which oil production starts to fall ... and continue falling , forever.

In the next 2 to 5 years the world will be using more oil than it is producing . There is only one direction for prices if the world keeps growing , that's up , way up.

At the current growth rate Peak Oil is in the 2010-2012 range. A recession will push down demand , for a while .

Oil has in economics what is called inelastic demand. In laymans terms that means the price will have to go a lot higher before there is any appreciiable fall in demand.

Oil has a low substitution factor . That is , very few substitutes can be found for oil .Ethanol uses as much energy to make as it creates.

The current estimates for supply demand imbalances are for 3-7% a year , every year from here on out.

The current estimates are that oil will hit $150 a barrel within
3 or 4 years , and it will only get worse until finally economies around the world start to falter.

Bush is going to blame Iran for this intractible problem .

America must have an outside enemy to blame because most of the important pols have known about peak oil for years . What they didn't count on was the growth of China and India .

Look for $5 a gallon soon ,, very soon. Iran will be blamed.
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» is peak oil already here? Posted by: kellysgarden
» No, it's all about price. Posted by: justaguy
Manipulating Public Sentiment--Again
Posted by: Roy Eidelson on Oct 3, 2007 3:17 AM   
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Manipulation of public sentiment lies at the very heart of the White House’s entire Iraq war enterprise, and it will likely have a similar role in any military attack on Iran. For those interested in a psychological analysis of this warmongering, I have recently completed a 10-minute online video entitled “Resisting the Drums of War.” It examines how the Bush administration’s messaging targets five core concerns that often govern our lives--concerns about vulnerability, injustice, distrust, superiority, and helplessness. The video examines their warmongering appeals and offers suggestions for how to counter them. It’s available for viewing HERE.

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"Just the Facts, Maam"
Posted by: anemieasy on Oct 3, 2007 3:48 AM   
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Umm...Source this please, "Half the warships in the U.S. Navy now sit within striking distance of Iran." Not even remotely close to being factual, dood!
~ X anemi

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» And your source is? Posted by: Ellie1
» RE: "Just the Facts, Maam" Posted by: johngary
» RE: "Just the Facts, Maam" Posted by: leafsong1
Stand Up, America!
Posted by: Tom Degan on Oct 3, 2007 3:53 AM   
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So help me, if this murderous, half-wiited little frat boy does the unthinkable and invades of attacks the sovereign nation of Iran, the American people should stand up as one and end this nightmare of an administration.

What you have here is America's very own, home-grown Hitlers. It is not, by any means an extreme comparison. Can any one out there give me one example of someone since 1945 who has done more to foster world wide instability than herrs Bush and Cheney? How much more of this are we going to stand for? What the hell is wrong with the American people? Do they not see the similarities?

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
George Bush's Private Gestapo

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» Right on! Posted by: socialpsych
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» RE: ight on! Posted by: badkitty
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» Time to storm the Bastille? Posted by: hurricane hugo
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» IMPEACH, IMPEACH, IMPEACH Posted by: SackofWoe0
» RE: Stand Up, America! Posted by: donneek
otto
Posted by: otto on Oct 3, 2007 5:13 AM   
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Put the shoe on the other foot...Is Iran justified in thinking of "pre-emptive strikes" and "pre-emptive war" against U.S. warships in the Gulf and Israeli moves that are threatening and dangerous for their country?

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Amerika - The Decline and fall of a rogue state
Posted by: PakiBoy on Oct 3, 2007 6:21 AM   
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We are living in dangerous and exciting times. What we have before us a 'super power' that cannot subdue war-torn Afghanistan and Iraq.

We have the 'richest country in the world' that borrows $2.5 billion dollars daily!

In today's Amerika, the middle class is getting squeezed while wealth is getting concentrated in fewer hands. Basically Amerika is undoing the great leap forward made by the New Deal.

We have a political system in Amerika where the special-interests are so well entrenched that nothing short of a total dismantling of the system would fix the hold of the military-foreign-corporate-financial groups power over the government.

We have a 'super power' that does not respect the international treaties and laws, even though the 'constitution' explicitly obligates it to do so.

And lastly, we have a nation where people who support wars believe it is beneath them to actually fight in these wars.

So we have a rogue state, unaccountable to either its own citizens or to international law. As China forms new alliances from Latin America to Africa to Pakistan (Guwadar coast for naval access to Middle-east), Amerika is getting itself into another quagmire.

Edward Gibbons would have loved to live in these times.

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» But without US malfeasance.... Posted by: justaguy
» RE: I rest my case Posted by: PakiBoy
» RE: I rest my case Posted by: donneek
» RE: I rest my case Posted by: rocketman
The consequences of an attack
Posted by: akai ringo on Oct 3, 2007 6:22 AM   
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If President Bush does go ahead and bomb Iran, various consequences will flow from this, some predictable, others perhaps more uncertain. One consequence that seems to me fairly predictable is that of implanting in all Iranians, whatever their internal differences, a deep and abiding hatred of America and Americans. It also seems to me quite likely that an attack will result in a further rise of Anti-Americanism throughout the world. Of course, none of this may matter to the American people. An American friend commented to me recently that as a whole, the American people were very insular and didn't really care at all about what the world thinks, because they don't need to. The U.S. is not Europe. Of course, if this anti-Americanism were to translate into boycotts of American products, then even Americans may begin to worry. But perhaps that is pushing the boundaries too far. And even if Syria, Kuwait, Israel and who knows who else, were to be dragged into a total Middle East conflagration, would it really matter? Certainly it would to Europe, but the Middle East is thousands of miles away from the U.S.

As for the effect on oil prices, I haven't studied the subject enough to make a firm prediction. I did read last year that if Iran cut off all its oil supplies, the effect of that alone would not be disastrous. And if htey try to blockade the Straits of Hormuz, then presumably U.S. warships, submarines and fighter planes can simply blos them out of the water.

No, what would really worry me, if I were an American, is the "nightmare scenario" mentioned above of retaliation being carried out on American soil. Specifics are unimportant and unnecessary. Suffice it to say that it is totally impossible for any advanced country today to defend itself against determined terrorist attacks within its own borders. There is a tendency that I have noticed to think of terrorism as somehow hi-tech. In a way, this is perhaps comforting, because it suggests that it can also be countered by technology, but wasn't it off the coast of Libya that a dinghy rowed by hand succeeded in inflicting considerable damage on an American warship? And terrorits, whatever evil qualities they have, are not necessarily stupid. Perhaps our watchword for the future should be "Be afraid". I am already afraid.

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Countries such as Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Israel, etc ... that lack a middle class and SUPERCRUSH the
Posted by: maxpayne on Oct 3, 2007 6:35 AM   
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working class or what's left of them are not only filled with dictators, the US never ever stops stealing our taxpayer money to aid them again and again. The US Army/Navy/military/etc ... is equally USELESS. In fact, a coworker of mine not only almost got fired after he approached a US Army employee in the same building we work at questioning her aboutthe government's involvement of allowing these rogue regimes to receive our taxpayer dollars but tried to sue him for "defamation" of our government !

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Last comment in this article is telling
Posted by: Nugeman on Oct 3, 2007 7:31 AM   
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"Iranian leaders are angry, they are not crazy."

Ahmadinejad says they have no homosexuals in his country. That sounds like crazy talk to me. Did they kill them all? Where is the uproar from the groups like Human Rights Watch, Amnesty Int. and the ACLU?

Neville Chamberlain thought Adolph Hitler was angry not crazy. Next thing you know 60 million die in a world war.

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» History may repeat itself, because Posted by: Constitutionalist75
Attack on Iran anis an attack on the Democrats and average American..
Posted by: TJ-stars4peace on Oct 3, 2007 7:54 AM   
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Let's look at this coming attack and conflagration from a purely political perspective..!

If you as a Republican had done such a shit job for the last 8 years in every category as Bush and Cheney have done knowing any Democrat as long as they were breathing could and would defeat you and take the White House, what better way to totally fuck over America and that other party than by starting a huge war which would out of necessity for the sake of survival to continue to funnel huge vast sums of money into the Military Industrial Complex and not any service that would benefit the average American now struggling so desperately..!

Think of this coming War with IRAN as Bush farewell gift to the Democrats so as to dictate their policy and agenda for the next 4 to possibly 8 years...

So the War and attack upon IRAN is in reality Bush's War upon the democrats and also the American working and middle class he and his cronies hate so much..!

Simple as that..!

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BUSH & Co: Lose cannons
Posted by: common intelligence on Oct 3, 2007 8:18 AM   
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BUSH and Cheney are absolutey friggin crazy. The biggest treats to "Peace on Earth".

Any action this administration does sends this nation into less national security.

I wish money was an issue, and he couldn't afford, such as most of us, half the things we'd like in life. But he has an unlimited charge card and doesn't have to be accountable for a damn thing.

Here I am asking the people in the military to take a stand for the people of the United States, to protect US from these "Domestic" Enemies of the United States.

It is you that must fulfill your oath to protect this nation from these Domestic pirates that have taken over our nation.
This is a call for You our military to over throw this miniacal bunch of pirates by recognizing them for whom they are.

God's speed to you all.

Iran is not the enemy. George W. Bush and Co. are.

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» RE: BUSH & Co: Lose cannons Posted by: Doggycuny
One of these days
Posted by: Maryanne on Oct 3, 2007 8:34 AM   
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in a generation or so, the children of the Middle East, who will have grown up aware of their parents' feelings of helplessness, hopelessness, and anger, their stories of how the United States destroyed their families, their homes, thier lives, their culture, even the foundations of civilization that began in their area, will feel a need to retaliate against that country that did so much harm to them. They will not think that in the course of doing these things, the United States actually was in the process of destroying itself, economically, morally, losing its democracy, and had beome a paper tiger.

But the combination of our vulnerability and their anger will result in our being attacked. And people here will say, "What did we ever do to bring this destruction upon ourselves? We were th good guys", as their homes are bombed into rubble, their lives snuffed out, their government taken over by occupiers. And it will have been too late.

Having lived through so many crises- WWII, the McCarthy era, the Cuban crisis, the cold war with the Soviet Union- surprisingly we felt we could cope and come out of this OK. However what we are doing now does not provide any sense of security. Those in government not only are short sighted, but totallly oblivious to the fact that this militarism (despite the money being made from this) is not accomplishing anything. And the Democrats, who had made so many promises, seem neither to know or care what is going on, as they repeatedly compromise with those with whom no compromise is possible if we are to have any future.

Even voting is not the answer any longer. Not only is the right to and the accuracy of votes questionable, but the choice being presented limits us to the best of the worst. Where is there someone with vision, morality, common sense and awareness of consequences whom the media will promote as the hope for the future? Those who may be the saviors of our country are ignored, if not ridiculed.

And some people to whom we speak dismiss all that is going on with the agressiveness, the loss of civil rights, the destroyed environment , etc. by saying that they leave the future to their children and grandchildren to handle. What future?

(You can tell I have finally reached the point of hopelessness as a result of the recent votes in Congress and the failure of "leading" Democratic candidates to commit to leaving Iraq and moving toward diplomatic solutions to problems. My paternal ancestor, a political refugee, would rethink emigrating had he known what this country would become.)

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» Time To Rise Up!!! Posted by: MAD
» RE: Time To Rise Up? Posted by: Constitutionalist75
» RE: Time To Rise Up!!! Posted by: Maryanne
another false-flag op needed
Posted by: kellysgarden on Oct 3, 2007 9:13 AM   
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Almost every war USA has been in was justified and started by a false-flag operation. For instance, Gulf of Tonkin. See also Northwoods documents. 9/11 was the biggest false-flag op in history. If we bomb Iran, all we need is another false-flag op, probably having something to do with the navy ships we already have there.

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» Why bother? Posted by: Joshua Holland
Colmes
Posted by: InsertNameHere on Oct 3, 2007 9:24 AM   
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Just a word on Colmes. I have listened to his radio show and regardless of any views he has, the guy is a jerk. He does this thing where if callers ask him how he's doing, he says nothing and plays cricket sounds. I honestly don't know what he is trying to prove with that, perhaps he thinks it's clever and novel.

Most people, who have normal social skills, would just say 'I'm good, what's your question tonight?'. Not Colmes. He's an asshole.

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» Haven't watched Colmes much, Posted by: kellysgarden
Impending WW3
Posted by: Constitutionalist75 on Oct 3, 2007 9:48 AM   
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Bush & Cheney have a global agenda that transcends their office, but the Republicans know they cannot win in 2008. World War Three solves their dilemma. Bomb Iran, put America on high alert for another terrorist attack, declare a national emergency and postpone the elections indefinitely - problem solved!

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» RE: Impending WW3 Posted by: robots
» RE: Impending WW3 Posted by: Constitutionalist75
Thick Irony
Posted by: Iconoclast421 on Oct 3, 2007 9:52 AM   
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Considering the very existence of Iran's "Revolutionary Guard" is a response to our own acts of terrorism (1953) in that country, I find it ironic that we could declare them a terrorist group! What exactly has the Revolutionary Guard done that doesn't immediately invoke images of black pots and kettles? The senate may as well pass a resolution declaring its own ignorance of history. (It would probably pass 76-22!)

look at what we've been doing in the region vs whatever misdeeds they've been doing. How much DU has Iran dumped into the region?

Oh I'm sure "Iran" is "helping" the "insurgency" but there isn't much evidence to make me believe that it is their government sponsoring it rather than just certain individuals acting how they see fit... actions which would be understandable if viewed from the position of an Iranian. You know they had no love for Saddam, but just getting rid of him is not an excuse or justification for all that has followed. We didn't need to blanket the landscape with DU to Accomplish our Mission and give Bush his photo op. We didn't need to wipe out Iraq's infrastructure. We didn't need to do a lot of things, but we did. And now, if we're not just a mad crusading empire on a wicked power trip, then something rational has to be done to make reparations.

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» Even worse, Posted by: Constitutionalist75
bush is just a conduit
Posted by: willymack on Oct 3, 2007 10:33 AM   
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He's simply too dim-witted to originate, let alone supervise all the crap that's happened since the stolen "elections" of 2000 & 2004. The REAL culprits behind all the evil that's befallen us since Jan. 20th, 2001 are well hidden in the shadows. They're the ones who really run the show, and they're the ones who should be flushed from their hidey-holes, prosecuted, convicted, and imprisoned for their crimes against us and the world.

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» au contraire Posted by: vox persona
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How fast we forget!
Posted by: rocketman on Oct 3, 2007 11:21 AM   
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There is little doubt that Iran is funneling weapons into Iraq and they are killing Americans.. There is also little doubt that Iran is hell bent on nuclear capabilities..and as for being far off , I have read opinions on boths sides of this fence so I'd have to say it closer than father away.

That said..attacking Iran is total madness - and will do nothing but embroil the US in a war where there will be no exit. Additionally, the Saudis and Isreal want to see Iran's nuclear goals bombed out of existence..let them do it themselves.. the US needs to withdraw out of this as fast and logically as possible - even if it's to mantaining a security level force nearby!

Last..what about getting Bin Laden..remember him!

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» Simplistic thinking doesn't help Posted by: Constitutionalist75
» RE: How fast we forget! Posted by: leafsong1
» RE: How fast we forget! Posted by: rocketman
» Who's that knocking on my door? Posted by: rocketman
» RE: Who's that knocking on my door? Posted by: Constitutionalist75
Bush and Cheney THE REAL Wimpy..PHONY Soldiers
Posted by: militaryhater on Oct 3, 2007 11:51 AM   
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The real wimpy phony soldiers are Bush and Cheney. Rush Limbagh got it wrong.

It is easy to sit on your butt in the White house and not see the death and carnage in Iraq. Death in numbers mean nothing to evil people driven by money and power, especially when they block media coverage of the death and carnage to the poor Iraqi people by our soldiers and evil Mercenary companies like Blackwater. Evil wimpy men who shoot in the back..WIMPS!! Want to be soldiers these fat dumpy men who love to kill. End Blackwater...get rid of the creeps the fat ugly men employed by them.

OIL and the $$ is all Bush and Cheney want. However, when they unlease WWIII and kill us all, the money will do them no good. No planet...no where to spend it..Do they think? No...they live in the moment...They will burn in hell with all of us if they unleash it, as hell will be our planet burning, dying...evey living thing will suffer and die and the blood will be on their hands!..There is no escape pod, that Bush and Cheney can take..They will Die with us all if they unleash the madness against more innocent people..the Iranians.

STOP THE MADNESS. STOP FUNDING THE DAMN WAR, you stupid idiot Congress people we elected in Washington. Stop being lead by Money you stupid phony rich people.

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Revolution at home first!
Posted by: joeaddison79 on Oct 3, 2007 1:45 PM   
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Yeah, start World War III... great idea. At what point should we consider assassination of our "elected" leader? At what point should we consider overthrowing the US government?

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WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Oct 3, 2007 1:55 PM   
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Oh, not because we're stupid or not paying atteniton. But because we are lied to on an ongoing basis. News is not reliable. Either things are leaked or covered up. By the time we think we've made sense of something it's time for another curve. Our most respected leaders have repeatedly let us down and lied to us. Iran is just another example. My guess is that we are right where Bush/Cheney want us to be. Keeping ourselves occupied and out of their hair. I admit to being confused much of the time. Thanks, ANNA

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Holding Iran at Gunpoint to Keep Oil Priced in USA Dollars
Posted by: sofla100 on Oct 3, 2007 3:48 PM   
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I have no doubt the biggest reason behind America going after Iran is the threat Iran will price its oil no longer in American Dollars. As an early poster noted, it will likely be in Euros. You have no idea what a threat this represents to American financial interests. Many countries, China in particular with $1.5 trillion US dollars, hold massive US currency reserves. The so-called "world reserve currency." Why is this significant? Because, no longer pricing in US dollars will totally destabilize the American Dollar. It already is at rock bottom, but this will cause it to collapse down to nearly zero. The net result will likely be extreme inflation as the dollar collapses and countries across the globe switch their dollars for other currencies. And, we are talking "big deal inflation," not 10 or 20%, but what the Weimar Republic type of 200-300% or more (which paved the way for Hitler to come to power). Concurrent with a massive run on the banks and widespread civil unrest. How to get out of the conundrum? First of all, the USA debt is massive as it supports an enormous military national security complex. It is all paid for by the treasury notes to countries like China. This must stop immediately. Next, "free trade" must be abolished for the sake of preserving what is left of Americas vanished manufacturing and industrial infrastructure. So, much must be changed. Otherwise, we face what GW Bush is doing in endangering world peace. Holding other countries at gunpoint to support massive US deficit spending, spending which is needed to hold up the American national security state and wars of conquest.

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when will we finally learn
Posted by: bohdan on Oct 3, 2007 5:18 PM   
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The White House, and its phalanx of media sycophants, has mastered the art of smoke and mirrors and its accompanying shell games.

Whether or not the plans are true, (probably) the bottom line is that it deflects any spotlights on the mess in: Iraq, Afghanistan, Katrina, the budget, and all of the administrations bungling fiascos.

Wag the dog, the tail (tale), and any other appendage at the public so that they can forget the real messes. After all, they'll (the public) buy into anything as they are so easily distracted and manipulated.

Tomorrow we'll hear about ……………..

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Feminists :Mom 'beat down' by fascist POS 'cops' leads to her death..Few F'n comments..'choc
Posted by: ekipnrut on Oct 3, 2007 5:40 PM   
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tofu up the vagina..aphrodisiac or new age iud ?'..500 comments
MOM
NY
..REVOLT??....REVOLUTION??... Puhleeeeeeeze

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to change, we must hit rock bottom
Posted by: defiant on Oct 4, 2007 8:51 AM   
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PakiBoy suggested above these might be exciting times. How do you see the "exciting" part? For me, it's knowing that, while Bush has accelerated us toward a major crash and Fall beyond the next President, we could see real change happening, a sweeping away of corruption through a necessary fall of our empire.

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Don't forget the zionists
Posted by: Reader11722 on Oct 4, 2007 9:39 AM   
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Bush and co. are zionist puppets. Only Israel benefits from these endless Middle East wars. Iraq is the beginning. As we commit war-crimes in Baghdad, the US gov't commits treason at home by opening mail, eliminating habeas corpus, using the judiciary to steal private lands, banning books like America Deceived (book) from Amazon and Wikipedia, conducting warrantless wiretaps and engaging in illegal wars on behalf of AIPAC's 'money-men'. Soon, another US false-flag operation will occur (sinking of an Aircraft Carrier by Mossad) and the US will invade Iran.. Then we'll invade Syria, then Saudi Arabia, then Lebanon (again) then ....

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» RE: Don't forget the zionists Posted by: Constitutionalist75
MORE Depleted Uranium - US weapon of Mass destruction!
Posted by: cybertigress on Oct 4, 2007 11:23 AM   
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In 1991, the United States and its Persian Gulf War allies blasted the vehicles with armor-piercing shells made of depleted uranium (DU) -- the first time such weapons had been used in warfare. On the "Highway of Death," 11 miles north of the Kuwait border, a collection of tanks, armored personnel carriers and other military vehicles are rusting in the desert.. they are also radiating deadly nuclear energy.

When a DU round hits its target as much as 70 percent of the projectile can burn up on impact, creating a firestorm of ceramic DU oxide particles. The residue of this firestorm is an extremely fine ceramic uranium dust that can be spread by the wind, inhaled and absorbed into the human body and absorbed by plants and animals, becoming part of the food chain.

Remember the Gulf War Syndrome?
Side effects of depleted uranium munitions -- still a major part of the U.S. arsenal -- will cause serious illnesses or deaths in a new generation of U.S. soldiers as well as Iraqis.
DU remains radioactive for about 4.5 billion years.

But as suspected, the Pentagon plays down the effects and the average American is ignorant.

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Don't be so sure
Posted by: donl51 on Oct 7, 2007 7:46 AM   
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The USA, thats us ! way back when put the Shah in charge of Iran,we were tampering! But he would do our bidding,...people didn't matter we're not interested,The people! w/leadership from their clergy which is very important to ''them''! threw him out ,took hostages, they were pissed! wouldn't we?During the long IRAN/IRAQ war we,the USA,thats us backed IRAQ to beat IRAN,we gave them all sorts of really neat weapons like illegal gas! for one.In Afghanistan we backed the rebels against the commie,pinkos,nice gesture if not ill-founded,we did it out of the goodness of our hearts right?!!!oil and we didn't want another commie country in the way!We attack Iraq because we're the good guys[oil]hang Hussein,and now we're blaming IRAN for aiding other arab factions in IRAQ against us WHY? because they're sick and tired of our meddling in their lives,wouldn't we be?I mean think it over ,Saudi Arabia,ourbuddies provided and backed most on the 911 terrorists! so we go into Afghanistan then segway to IRAQ for no good reason oil,Afghanstan doesn't have oil that anybody knows of yet they're just great as a strategic location,pipeline route to Caspian ,little things like that ,meanwhile we're nice to the Saudis who hate our guts and generally aren't very nice,and continue sending dollars to their fair haired Bin Laden, Iran backs the Palestineans and Hamas, gee! I wonder why!!!!,oh yeah they're terrorists right? I say freedom fighters ,but thats just me,....The USA thats us again sends oodles of money to Israel ,pick your own reason ! so we've got 1/2 the US Navy in the area a meglomaniac in the white house we live in a policestate not to mention that a lot of folks all over this planet hate us and it ain't because we have calven kliens its because we think we can do any god damned thing we wish and not give a fig about anybody incl. our own citizens, I mean come'on!!! people arrested for reading the constitution!!!!in a public place aloud!!!!??? we're deserve the ill we receive!

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He Doesn't Care
Posted by: tommy1957 on Oct 10, 2007 12:19 PM   
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Look here now; Bush showed his true colors when he stated in an interview that the first thing he is going to do after his presedency is "fill the old cofers". This despite a $400,000+ retirement package. He will never care about the majority of the American public who will suffer under the $5 per gallon scenario. I ma not sure post presidents even pay for their gas. Bush will profit from the higher prices as he is profiting now through his blind trust. He should be impeached and made to forfiet any future income to the American tax payer that he has stolen from. The same justice OJ got; only difference - OJ is innocent!

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