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Debunking the Neocons' Iran War Measure

By Gareth Porter, Huffington Post. Posted September 27, 2007.


The Lieberman-Kyl Amendment is aluminum tubes all over again.
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The Lieberman-Kyle amendment has just passed the Senate overwhelmingly after two sections were removed to satisfy Democrats that it will not serve as a backdoor authorization for war against Iran, using U.S. forces operating in Iran. Even after that compromise, it remains a poison chalice, because it endorses a set of "findings" that are fundamentally false and which are being used by the administration to lay the groundwork for a more aggressive policy toward Iran.

The amendment is based on the Bush administration's proxy war narrative which has been filling the news media for the past nine months. It cites General Petraeus's classic statement of the proxy war argument of September 12: "[I]t is increasingly apparent…that Iran through the use of the Iranian Republican [sic] Guard Corps Quds Force, seeks to turn the Sh'ia militia extremists into a Hezbollah-like force to serve its interests and fight a proxy war against the Iraqi state and coalition forces in Iraq."

It is not unreasonable to view the proxy war narrative as the equivalent for Iran of the infamous White House Iraq Group's carefully contrived -- and stunningly successful -- fall campaign in 2002 to prepare public opinion to support an invasion of Iraq.

The following six points summarize some -- but certainly not all -- of the evidence contradicting the line on which the poisonous Liberman-Kyl amendment is based.

1. The administration has not come forward with a single piece of concrete evidence to support the claim that the Iranian government has been involved in the training, arming or advising of Iraqi Shiite militias.

  • At the February 11, 2007 briefing, officials displayed one EFP and some fragments but did not claim that there was any forensic evidence linking that or any other AFP to Iran.
  • One of the briefers admitted that it was only Iraqi smugglers who brought weapons into Iraq, explaining why no direct Iranian involvement could be documented.
  • The official briefer who was a specialist on explosives, Maj. Marty Weber, claimed in a later interview that the use of "passive infrared sensors" in the deployment of EFPs in Iraq was "one of the strongest markers of Iranian involvement" in the traffic. But he admitted in the same interview that the electronic components needed to make the sensors found in Iraq were "easily available off the shelf at places like RadioShack."
  • Another official who participated in the briefing, Maj. Gen. William B. Caldwell IV, denied that the military was claiming that Iran was behind the traffic in arms to Iraq. He said in a follow-up press briefing on February 14, "What we are saying is that within Iran, that these EFP component parts are being manufactured. Within Iran weapons and munitions are being manufactured that are ending up in Iraq. And we are asking the Iranian government to assist in stopping that from happening. There's no intent to do anything other than that."
  • Although one of the official briefers said shipments of EFPs had been intercepted at the border in 2005, only one press report about such a border interceptions has appeared, and there was no indication that such interceptions had produced any evidence of Iranian involvement. On the contrary, it quoted "coalition officials" as saying there was "no evidence to suggest that the government in Tehran is facilitating the smuggling of shape charges into Iraq." Despite that alleged interception, Pentagon spokesman Lawrence DiRita and Brig Gen. Carter Ham, deputy director for regional operations for the Joint Staff, continued to deny any knowledge of official Iranian complicity in EFP or any other arm supplies.
  • Despite interrogations since last spring of a top official of an alleged Iraqi EFP network and the Hezbollah operative who was a liaison with the organization, Maj. Gen. Rick Lynch, the U.S. Commander for southern Iraq, where most of the Shiite militias operate, admitted in a July 6 briefing that his troops had not captured "anybody that we can tie to Iran."
  • On September 8, the commander for the northern region of Iraq, Maj. Gen. Thomas Turner II, admitted in a press briefing, "I don't think we have any specific proof of Iranians in our area other than reports. We have discovered caches….It has not been a lot. We have seen some evidence of some weapons that were employed against coalition forces that were made in…Iran, where they are coming from across the border, we're not sure."

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What are we going to do about it?
Posted by: ScottP on Sep 27, 2007 9:22 AM   
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We know that Farsi is routinely mistranslated, quotes are taken out of context, and information is fabricated or suppressed to bolster the case for war. There are many who want another war of aggression. And so what are we going to do this time to attempt to prevent expanding the 2 current national wars into the nation in the middle, making it a full regional war?

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Dear Government,
Posted by: christastropher on Sep 27, 2007 11:28 AM   
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Stop trying to get us all killed by starting another needless war. Much like your Drug War, this one will only damage the country while increasing the wealth of a priviledged few, while not treating the underlying causes for the original problem. Of course I refer to our stellar record of supporting which ever dictator will allow our corporations to most rape their country as the root of the terrorism problem, but then again what do I know? Perhaps killing, torturing, and maiming millions of people around the world in the name of freedom will endear us to them, and with the way the administration is running things, I hopethat that will be the case-cause if not, were're screwed.

Sincerely,
http://taoofzen.blogspot.com/

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» Beware this link Posted by: vox persona
» RE: Beware this link Posted by: christastropher
» Linked site look ok to me Posted by: bcgirl125
And..
Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Sep 27, 2007 12:52 PM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Will the media show even an inkling of mistrust for this administration because of how utterly wrong they have been over and over?

They didn't prevent 9-11.
They didn't every end up catching anyone in the anthrax attacks (that the media and government don't talk about anymore.. gee.. wonder why. Yet they still say we haven't been attacked since 9-11)
They were completely wrong about Iraq, yellowcake, links to Al Queda, and WMD.

It leaves one wondering what they have ever actually been right about.

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» RE: And.. Posted by: christastropher
» RE: And.. Posted by: VZEQICVA
Stop the Madness ...
Posted by: mmckinl on Sep 27, 2007 1:36 PM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
The Common Wisdom has already been set in the MSM ...

Iran is waging a proxy war ... We must retalliate !

Looking at the votes in the House and Senate condemning Iran , it looks like a done deal ...

Deja vu all over again ...

Is there anything we can do ? Scream loudly and often ...

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Who knows what or whom to believe any longer?
Posted by: Sojourner on Sep 27, 2007 1:38 PM   
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Bush gets away with empty gesture after empty gesture because he railroaded us into an illegal invasion. His craziness allows him to say crazy stuff now and get a hearing.

So the Congress has to match his craziness. Otherwise the GOP can accuse the Demos of being wimps. The American electorate cannot tell the difference between gestures and insane actions (as the guidance of an informed media is nearly non-existent) so the crazies get elected.

Invading Iraq was crazy--all the excuses for it have proved crazy lies. Running up the national debt is crazy. Doing nothing to prevent the exploitation of the undeveloped nations is crazy. Letting increases in global warming, fresh water shortages, oceanic pollution, failing students etc. get out of hand is sheer craziness. Perpetuating the arms race is crazier.

I never thought we would sink this low. Now I'm wondering if we still have a long way to go before we hit bottom.

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Good, now how do we get rid of Lieberman?
Posted by: ReallyBearish on Sep 27, 2007 2:36 PM   
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I live in CT. Is there some way to recall this clown?

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» RE: clown? Posted by: shangrilalad
» RE: clown? Posted by: JSquercia
» Leiberman's cronies Posted by: dustdevil
So what?
Posted by: Crazy H on Sep 27, 2007 3:50 PM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
So what if Iran gets the bomb? Israel got the bomb illegally, and we didn't invade them.

So what if Iran is training and supplying the insurgents? We trained and supplied insurgents when the USSR was occupying Afghanistan. For that matter, we're doing a damn fine job of supplying and training the insurgents in Iraq today.

So what if Iran is planning on invading Israel? According to our president, it's perfectly legal to invade a country if you don't like their leader; or if you're worried that maybe someday, somehow, they might just find a way to hurt you; or if you merely want to change their government to one you like better.

So what if Iran said they wanted to wipe Israel or America off the map? We just wiped Iraq and Afghanistan off the map.

So what if Iran captures, tortures, or kills some Americans? We capture, torture, and kill anyone we damn well please.

We have declared to the world that might makes right. Other folks have might, too. So what?

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Hillary the Hawk Voted For Lieberman-Kyle
Posted by: JackieGiles on Sep 27, 2007 4:57 PM   
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That says it all. What it should tell all Democrats headed for a caucus or primary vote is that she remains as committed to doing the politically expedient thing as she was when she sent out an e-mail before the Iraq vote that made a great argument AGAINST giving Bush the power to go to war, and then VOTED FOR IT. If she came out today and said she has had a "road to Damascus" and now regrets her error in voting for Bush's war , I would not trust her. Lieberman-Kyle has given Bush a hole to squirm through to reach his and Cheney's goal of bombing Iran, even if he doesn't have the troops for a land invasion.

I believe John Edwards will keep his word about immediately removing 40-50 thousand troops when he's inaugurated and then redeploying the rest, leaving only enough to defend the embassy and protect aid workers. He didn't make the mess, but I think he's the candidate most likely to clean it up with the least "collateral damage". None of the candidates can promise that everything will be peachy during or after our troop withdrawal. I believe Edwards will be honest with the American people about what he does.

As for my earlier concern about the burden of Elizabeth's illness on a newly elected President Edwards, I now believe that they have committed the rest of their time together to making a better America and a safer world for all our children, including my first great-grandchild who will be born in October. That's why I have decided to support John Edwards and have sent him several contributions. I hope others will, too, so that he can stay in the race--even though he's up against the Clinton money machine.

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Who will ever point out...
Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Sep 27, 2007 5:45 PM   
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Iran is giving weapons to the insurgents fighting us in Iraq? (or supposedly so)

Gee... you mean like all those years we gave weapons to IRAQ to attack IRAN???????

Once again history is sucked into the black hole of the media blackout.

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» WHY, WHY, WHY???? Posted by: maddy
» Well, my point is... Posted by: JoshuaLudd
This Joe "blow" Lieberman dude again?
Posted by: humanity101 on Sep 27, 2007 6:58 PM   
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Joe is a Jew. Any dispute? He loves his country, Israel. Any dispute? He perceives Iran as a threat to Israel. Therefore he's doing all he can to get America to go to war for his country, Israel. Isn't this clear enough? Need I say more? It is dangerous time. Israel is the only thing that can bring Democrats and Neocons together. Get the heck out of the military before the warmongers send you to Iran. America, good night and good luck!

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» RE: The tragic thing Posted by: Christie
BTW, if you fight the proxy war for Joe Lieberman and Israel,
Posted by: humanity101 on Sep 27, 2007 7:09 PM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
and get killed or maimed over there, please don't claim you defend America or our Constitution. As far as we can see, they are all bogus claims and not a single thread of hard evidence proving Iran's act of war against us. The evidence we've seen resemble those presented by Colin Powel to the United Nation. It's all a scam. By fighting the proxy war you will endanger all of us, our freedom, humanity, and moral standing.

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I dislike Lieberman, but
Posted by: Ellie1 on Sep 28, 2007 5:06 AM   
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any mention of him brings the anti-semites crawling out of their holes.

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» RE: I dislike Lieberman, but Posted by: dkeithley
» RE: splitting hairs: Posted by: oregoncharles
» psst, here is a secret Posted by: Chris S
» RE: I dislike Lieberman, but Posted by: JoshuaLudd
» RE: I dislike Lieberman, but Posted by: JSquercia
What do AFP and EFP stand for?
Posted by: scott balogh on Sep 28, 2007 5:30 AM   
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Anyone

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» RE: What do AFP and EFP stand for? Posted by: Joshua Holland
What is true name of this bill??
Posted by: MarvinBeaty on Sep 28, 2007 5:44 AM   
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I have checked my senators' and representative's recent voting record, and see no reference to this bill. What is it's official label, or name?

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» RE: Lieberman-Kyl amendment Posted by: Christie
Democrats Part of the Problem; My Parents Don't Understand Why Muslims Hate the U.S.
Posted by: Greensleaves on Sep 28, 2007 5:51 AM   
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So can someone tell me besides Hillary Clinton, which Democrats voted for this?

Every Democrat who voted for this should be giving your political representatives a piece of your mind (assuming, as a Democrat, you're not going to get into another war for oil humanitarian crisis and use your own soldiers and Iraqi civilians as cannon fodder along the way).

If you do not, as the campaign donation and long election process have led to all kinds of corruption from both political parties. No one, except a few who still act as ethical men and women should, is standing up for regular people. They are standing up for greed and corporate profits

If you want Hillary or any other Democrat (and why did Obama not take the vote??), to act like a Democrat and not a centrist Republican, you have a year to do it. What are you waiting for? I am going to send emails, etc., on behalf of my two nephews and four nieces, all musical and bright children. They certainly deserve a better government than this.

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NAY Votes for the Lieberman-Kyl amendment
Posted by: Christie on Sep 28, 2007 7:56 AM   
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Tried to give the link to the Roll Call, but I got the Edit response that the word was too long--over 60 characters. How does one get around that? Someone said use the URL.
Where do I get that. (I usually copy and paste a link.)

The Nays
NAYs ---22
Biden (D-DE)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Boxer (D-CA)
Brown (D-OH)
Byrd (D-WV)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Dodd (D-CT)
Feingold (D-WI)
Hagel (R-NE)
Harkin (D-IA)
Inouye (D-HI)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerry (D-MA)
Klobuchar (D-MN)
Leahy (D-VT)
Lincoln (D-AR)
Lugar (R-IN)
McCaskill (D-MO)
Sanders (I-VT)
Tester (D-MT)
Webb (D-VA)
Wyden (D-OR)

Not Voting - 2
McCain (R-AZ)
Obama (D-IL)

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Debunk the bushies all you want, dear friends
Posted by: willymack on Sep 28, 2007 9:40 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
But the miserable bastards will go right ahead with WHATEVER THEY GODDAM WELL PLEASE, and if you don't like it, you can lump it. That's what letting these criminals get away with election fraud in 2000 has gotten us. They should be stopped, but we all know NOBODY, including those we "elected" to do it, will.

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Said it Before
Posted by: JSquercia on Sep 28, 2007 10:40 AM   
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I've said it before but the only thing that will stop us from attacking Iran is if our Military Commanders remember that they swore an Oath to PROTECT the CONSTITUTION and NOT to blindly follow a cretin and an avaricious bastard .
Hoe DID Cheney have it RIGHT in 92 and Flip Flop in 2001 . The answer is painfully OBVIOUS he stood to make a
shitpot full of money NOW . There must a special place in HELL for the likes of him

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Missing the point, I think
Posted by: gtgeta on Sep 28, 2007 10:41 AM   
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The Big Lie is still working. The CheneyBush regime has accused, with indignent outrage, the Iranian government of the dastardly conduct of supplying training, arms, and munitions to the "insurgents" fighting US forces in Iraq. Their moral outrage over this illegal conduct - which results in the death of US military personel - is so overwhelming, so convincing, that nobody seems ready to dispute whether it's right or wrong, but simply whether Iran is actually doing this or not. The criticism from anti-war advocates centers around whether or not there is concrete evidence of these actions.

Of COUSE they're doing it! I certainly would be if I were them. They'd be staggeringly foolish not to. From their perspective, what a golden opportunity!

But the real point, I think, is who are we - or I should say our government - to criticize ANYBODY for doing EXACTLY what we have been doing since the end of WWII? In what way is what Iran is doing any differerent fron the support supplied by the US government to the mujahadeen during the Soviet occupation of Afganistan? Or of our support of Saddam Hussein during his war with Iran? Somehow the distinction is lost on me.

I would hope it is sufficiently obvious to all that the US regime's crocodile tears over this situation is just one more stepping stone to their justification of lauching an attack on Iran. Go for it boys! Let's give EVERYBODY we don't like every POSSIBLE motive to develop a nuclear bomb....so they'll have a deterent against attack from the mad dogs ruling in Washington.

Yo! Dick! Boy Georgie! Do your really wanna protect our troops? Then bring them home, dammit!

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» ENOUGH... Posted by: maddy
Ron Paul is the only one who will end the "war"
Posted by: Chris S on Sep 28, 2007 2:09 PM   
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and all the other "wars" (war on drugs, terror, etc.)

he stated twice last night in the debate that the war on drugs needs to go.

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Iran is for Israel
Posted by: Chris S on Sep 28, 2007 2:29 PM   
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Wake up, people...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ohz0omUjIE

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The Bilderbergers New World Disorder..
Posted by: TJ-stars4peace on Sep 28, 2007 7:54 PM   
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The War with Iran is a done deal...this administration is dead set on it, and even more importantly The Bilderbergers, David Rcokefeller et al, have already decided on it and we are no more than serfs and pawns in their game..

This is why the Democrats so many voted for it as well and the Candidates are not speaking out against it, maybe Edwards some but in the past he has always favored the Military solution for Iran as well..

It's all part of the fascist corporate bankers agenda and their New World disorder..

This will ignite a huge war enveloping many nations and killing millions which is also what The Bilderbergers want..

Simple as that..

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The megaphone of the right
Posted by: marid on Sep 29, 2007 7:25 AM   
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is banging the drums of war again and using fear to keep the masses in line. AGAIN. The Merchants of Death are rubbing their hands together in glee over the profits to be stolen by attacking a country with a real military.

Check out the eerie, disturbing site: http://foxattacks.com/iran

They need another war to distract us from the utter incompetence and mendacity of all the Bushies efforts for the past few years.

Our craven Senate even passed another one of those open ended pieces of lies and deception on Thursday. Those kind of actions in Congress turned loose the Bush Dogs of War last time. Is there no intelligent life in the White House and Congress, just bought and paid for prostitutes selling their souls for personal and political gain? Where is Tom Jefferson and the boys when you need them?

Be afraid, be very afraid, they will attack Iran!! 9/11, 9/11, 9/11, 9/11.............. Unpatriotic, Don't support the troops, The Big lies PartII is coming to a Television Station and newspaper near you.

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» RE: The megaphone of the right Posted by: Constitutionalist75
Pictures from Iran
Posted by: Dadster3 on Sep 30, 2007 6:41 AM   
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http://www.lucasgray.com/video/peacetrain.html [Paste into your brower]

But for the signs in Farsi and women in scarves, this could be any big city in America. A different culture with different customs and a different religion to be sure, but the same humanity.

So as the fear-mongering and anti-Iran hysteria builds, keep these images in mind. These are the people who will die if Bush, Cheney et. al. have their way.

Some of you oldsters will recognize Cat Steven's Peace Train playing in the background. Some, I'm sure, wil choose to attack him rather than take the message to heart. Too bad.

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