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Ahmadinejad's Speech at Columbia University Is as American as Apple Pie

By Rebecca Evans and Brandon Hammer, AlterNet. Posted September 24, 2007.


Columbia's invitation to Iran President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad not only shows the world the importance of free speech, but also demonstrates what free speech means.

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Fox News commentator Bill O'Reilly, in condemning Columbia's invitation to Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, stated that he's tired of free speech. Ironically, in doing so, he exercised that specific freedom, a privilege that allows critical engagement with elected officials and forces them to defend their actions. He used a right that the people of Iran do not enjoy.

Unlike Americans, who are able to challenge the legitimacy of the Patriot Act or take issue with America's continued presence in Iraq, Iranians cannot question Ahmadinejad's nuclear program or theocratic laws. Due to government control of most major media outlets as well as the threat of imprisonment for dissent, they are forced to accept these policies. This lack of freedom of speech gives Ahmadinejad and Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenei both a bully pulpit and immunity from accounting for policies.

It is for this reason that Ahmadinejad's visit to Columbia University on Monday is so vital. He will be challenged by students who will exercise their right to free speech in the way that their counterparts in Iran cannot. They will question his absurd ideological views that the Holocaust never occurred and that Israel should be wiped off the planet. They will force him to account for Iran's burgeoning nuclear program, interference with American efforts in Iraq, and ongoing support of terrorist groups such as Hezbollah. Most importantly, they will be given the opportunity to impugn Ahmadinejad's abhorrent oppression of the Iranian people, disputing the rationality of Iran's misogynist, homophobic and other malicious laws. In short, Columbia students will get to demand answers to questions that the Iranians cannot so much as utter publicly.

Moreover, Columbia's invitation to Ahmadinejad not only shows the world the importance of free speech, but also demonstrates what free speech means. Free speech does not simply allow individuals to express their views. It also forces them to defend and validate those views.

Those who oppose Ahmadinejad's visit to Columbia argue that we are giving him a soapbox. Ahmadinejad is clearly not challenged for venues in which he can promote his twisted ideology. His ability to spread his heinous views is evidenced by the fact that Americans are well aware of these positions. If we didn't let him speak here, he could just as easily spread hate from Iran. The difference in bringing him to Columbia is that we will have the opportunity to challenge his claims, whereas we can only cringe when he speaks from Iran. What Columbia has chosen to do is to put him in a context where he cannot take advantage of the bully pulpit, where he must defend his actions to students and academics, where, for once, he is in a conversation rather than a monologue.

There are concerns that the invitation confers on him some degree of legitimacy. But when a man can menace Israel and the United States in the Middle East and keep the world on edge with threats of nuclear proliferation, he is already a legitimate force in global politics. Columbia's invitation does not provide further recognition. Instead, by creating a critical dialogue, it challenges the authenticity of Ahmadinejad's ideology. Columbia President Lee Bollinger's statement makes it clear that the event will be divided evenly between speech and questioning, and that he sees this event as part of a longstanding academic tradition of "confronting ideas" whose determination to engage, rather than ignore, speaks to America's confidence in its beliefs and values.

Old film clips of Hitler depict him ranting from a podium about the supremacy of the Aryan race and the sinister nature of the Jews. Because the Nazis had taken control of the media and imprisoned dissenters in concentration camps, no one in Germany had the opportunity to challenge his racism or impugn his persecutions. The result was that he managed to indoctrinate millions and galvanize them to support his mass murder.

Many of those who oppose Ahmadinejad's visit call him the second Hitler. If this is the case, why should we allow him to spread his hate without having to account for his claims? Why would we not embrace and take advantage of this opportunity to question his actions and challenge his ideology, as those in Iran cannot? Exemplifying free speech within this country, especially to those whose views are so repugnant, will challenge hateful ideologies and demonstrate the importance of discourse.

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Rebecca Evans and Brandon Hammer are Columbia sophomores and members of the Roosevelt Institution.

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Anti-Intellectualism
Posted by: darkenergy on Sep 24, 2007 12:46 AM   
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The conservative stink surrounding this affair boils down to anti-intellectualism. The Right Wing Noise Machine has seized this occasion to beat up on Columbia University, just as these spin-meisters beat up on universities whenever they can. Doing so reassures working-poor conservatives that they do not need education, and it furthers the general neoconservative cause of ruining education at all levels. This, in turn, makes for easily deluded people who can be steered in a rightward direction, and who will constitute an obedient workforce.

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» RE: Anti-Intellectualism Posted by: davemj
Sorry, this comment has been removed from the system.
Political appeasement is the progressive left's only weapon
Posted by: IPF on Sep 24, 2007 1:20 AM   
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Ahmad Dinejad represents those that are directly responsible for the death of hundreds, if not thousands, of Americans, and is currently doing his best to arm Iran with a nuclear (nukular) weapons, to use on Israel and/or the US.

This is the same man who has denied the Holocaust, threatens another Holocaust, and even states on Iranian national propaganda organs that "Israel must be eliminated".

Why o why is it that the progressive and liberal left must always choose these rabid dogs and their wild and crazy rantings to defend the freedom of speech.

Is it that their agendas coincide?

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» Zio-Prop Alert! Posted by: Scriblle
» Jesse Helms had his uses, too Posted by: KaptainSpiffy
» Ignorance is your only weapon left Posted by: Iconoclast421
» Hilarious Propaganda Posted by: Scriblle
» Pot calling the kettle ... Posted by: themotie
» WTF??!!? Posted by: IPF
» What a joke!!! Posted by: RedAaron
» LOL Posted by: IPF
To read such an article..
Posted by: swissliberal on Sep 24, 2007 3:50 AM   
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I have not to visit alternet. I expect you to think a bit out of the box. Ahmadinejad is strongly against the US involvement in Middle East and he is strongly against Israel (which exist only thanks to the help of the US).
There live more jews in Iran than in every other islamic country (although many of them emigrated during the past 30 years).

And possibly Iran works against US occupation in Iraq, as the US worked against USSR occupation in Afghanistan. What -exept sheer power- gives the US more right than other countries?
Look at a map: Iran is completely surrounded by countries in which the US has military presence ore allies. Iraq, Turkey, Turkmenistan(! former USSR Republic: that pisses Putin off), Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia and almost every small gulf state.
Iran has every cause to feel threatened and to want nuclear bombs.

Why Iran should be a despotic dictatorship more than 70 other countries I'm not clear. The "democratic" election between a democratic and a republican candidate is not more democratic than the iranian choosing between more liberal and more populistic leaders.

To hate small countries like Cuba or Iran is so humiliating for a seemingly big country like the US. Please don't forget that Iran never in the last several 100 years began a War. Compare that to the aggressive US during it's whole history.


Mark Twain, about the bloody occupation of the philippines, 1900: "Why, we have gotten into a mess, a quagmire from which each fresh step renders the difficulty of extrication immensely greater. I'm sure I wish I could see what we were getting out of it, and all it means to us as a nation."

It meant nothing. The US imperialism went along...

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» RE: To read such an article.. Posted by: celeborn
» You're quite right Posted by: swissliberal
» Aryans Posted by: themotie
» Atomic Bombs are not for using Posted by: swissliberal
» RE: Xerxes was a douche bag Posted by: Peyotino
Poll: should Ahmadinejad be allowed to speak tomorrow at Columbia?
Posted by: jeffb83 on Sep 24, 2007 3:58 AM   
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Iran's president is set to speak in Columbia University today. What's your take on the university's decision to allow this?

Vote Here

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the fainess fella
Posted by: the fairness fella on Sep 24, 2007 4:50 AM   
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This article sounds very smug to me. Iran has never attacked another country. How many have you attacked, dear old Uncle Sam? How many democs, ones which you did not like, have you sunk? Remember Chile and Venezuela, to mention just two.

Iran has signed the Nuclear non proliferation treaty. Iran has called for a nuclear free zone in the Middle East.

By contrast, Israel started the nuclear arms race in the region.

No wonder Iran wants to protect itself. Iran has seen what happens to an axis of evil country when it does not have nuclear weapons (Iraq) . It gets gratuitously devastated. and by contrast, what happens when ia country does have such protection (North Korea) It's not attacked.

If i was Iran, I too would be after nuclear weapons as quickly as possible. I don't think it time to give Iran moral lessons.

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» Hey, Iraq invaded Iran! Posted by: swissliberal
» RE: No doubt you are an Israeli Posted by: DesertStone
» RE: the fainess fella Posted by: nathanusa
» RE: the fainess fella Posted by: hxannibal
» RE: the fainess fella Posted by: Peyotino
» RE: the fainess fella Posted by: newtype_alpha
» Are you for real? Posted by: themotie
» I send you these tags "" Posted by: swissliberal
You what?!
Posted by: stevewilkesuk on Sep 24, 2007 5:11 AM   
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Wow... what a lovely touting of the party line...

"They will question his absurd ideological views that... Israel should be wiped off the planet"

The idea that he said Israel should be 'wiped off the map' is based on a mistranslation of him saying the Israeli government should "vanish from the page of time".

"They will force him to account for Iran's burgeoning nuclear program, interference with American efforts in Iraq"

There is *no* evidence that Iran's nuclear program is anything but civilian. And what exactly *are* "American efforts in Iraq"? Hegemony - which *deserves* to be "interfered with".

"His ability to spread his heinous views is evidenced by the fact that Americans are well aware of these positions"

"Americans are well aware of these [false] positions" because Iran is the current 'official enemy' and the mainstream media are happily parroting the baseless accusations of the US government.

"when a man can menace Israel and the United States in the Middle East and keep the world on edge with threats of nuclear proliferation"

Again, there is *no* evidence that Iran's nuclear program is anything but civilian. This is not true of the US or Israel, especially the former.

Come on Alternet, if we wanted nonsense like this we'd just watch Fox.

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» Mistranslation Posted by: DCBeltway
» Was it holocaust denial? Posted by: justaguy
» RE: You what?! Posted by: shimamura
The Difference Ain't So Great
Posted by: LeaderofMen on Sep 24, 2007 5:12 AM   
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Altho it's codified that the Iranian population MUST accept their President's edicts without question, how much difference are we seeing over here recently.

1. We have the most secretive administration in Washington EVER. With very few exceptions they do whatever they want to do. And, as you'll notice, YOU and I don't have any say in the matter. If the majority of the public wants us out of Iraq, well TOUGH SHIT. You will shut the f##k up while he TELLS you what he's going to do. You and me and all members of Congress.

2. This Congress, altho elected to put an end to the abysmal record of the President's ineptitude has ACCEPTED virtually everything he's told them to do. To wit. We're still in Iraq. He's not been impeached. Our national debt is soaring. The country is divided almost as bad as before the Civil War. ETC. ETFUCKINGCETRA.

3. Our Constitution has been raked over and little threads are being pulled out with every signing statement the President makes, which amounts into the hundreds. More than any President in the history of the US. Each signing statement is a giant middle finger pointed at every single American face.

4. Name one public statement that the President has made in the last 4 years about this war that isn't a lie. One. Just one.

5. Religious fanatics permeate the entire structure of our government. The President has told world leaders, his base, and the American public that Jesus told him to go to war. The Pentagon has a Christian Embassy in it. A Christian fucking Embassy. Jesus fucking Christ!!!! Recently, in our military an atheist received death threats. Good Christian soldiers might well kill this man for simply wanting to get together with like-minded individuals and NOT pray. The Justice Department is filled with the lowest tier lawyers they could find from an almost non-rated Christian university. Christians are the ones who most support this administration because they love his hypocrisy more than reality - because that's what they're used to.

So... really. How much difference do we see between Iran's gov't and American gov't with that in mind? Huh?

The difference is slim when you really think about it.

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» RE: The Difference Ain't So Great Posted by: orwellwasn'tdreaming
» I'll second that. Posted by: themotie
» Was that an attempt at irony? Posted by: themotie
dempcracy is weak in defending itself against tirany and terrorism
Posted by: veredgy on Sep 24, 2007 5:14 AM   
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Americans are naive. Remember bushe's calling for democratic ellection in Palestine? Now there is a Hamas regime. Not every nation, or country, or relegion is ready for democracy. You must realize this by now. See Iraq. Instead of Sadam Husein we will have a shiay regime. Where are your clever proffessors and Arab desk know all from the Forign Ministry. You are so ignorant in understanding other forms of regimes. People like Ahmedinejad shuold be in gail, and not given permission to speak at the U.N. or at the University. You can't be magnanimous with these worst kind of murderers.You must fight them. Don't forget Hitler Was elected in democratic elections. Again I will shout this from every roof. You can not fight evil in democratic ways. You may as well surrender. because you will lose anyway.

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» RE: Hamas was elected! Posted by: Raj
» That's not what he was saying. Posted by: justaguy
listen, you just might learn
Posted by: phindrup on Sep 24, 2007 5:15 AM   
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What a terrific, clear and objective article this is!
So balanced and objective.
The US sits on more nukes than any other country, and you have a maniac who has his finger on the button. Much, Much better that Iran has a nuclear capability, it just might rein in both the US and the Israelis.
How I wish that Ahmadinejad was coming to Sydney, (Australia), I would love to hear the man, in person!

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» You're a pathetic liar yellow. Posted by: justaguy
Nah
Posted by: redstarwraith on Sep 24, 2007 5:47 AM   
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If we wanted nonsense like this we could all just attend Columbia.
*The mistranslations of Ahmadinejad's speeches are both legion and famous and, if I am not mistaken, have been covered extensively here on Alternet.
*The ruling elite in this country shape and control all major media just as effectively as any theocracy or fascist dictatorship ever did.
*I imagine what the two Columbia sophmores might discover is that Ahmadinejad will probably come off sounding more reasoned and less rabid than our own chicken hawk administration.

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what's this doing on 'alter' net?
Posted by: siamdave on Sep 24, 2007 6:22 AM   
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"..Due to government control of most major media outlets as well as the threat of imprisonment for dissent, they are forced to accept these policies.." - most Americans seem to want a decent government-sponsored single-payer health care system (such as most modern advanced countries, have, including (gasp!!!) Iran!) - and most Americans do NOT want their government invading Iran - but "..Due to government control of most major media outlets as well as the threat of imprisonment for dissent, they are forced to accept these policies..." - or something like that, mmm???

- or "... He will be challenged by students who will exercise their right to free speech in the way that their counterparts in Iran cannot. .." - they better be careful how much challenging they do, if they don't want a little tasering like the guy in Florida got a few days ago for challenging a member of the established political order ... (oh, wait, I suppose supporters of the Bushite policies don't get tasered quite so quickly as those who try to shine some light on the dark spaces of them)

Doesn't anybody vet this stuff at Alternet? It's pretty old news that Ahmadinejad did NOT call for Israel to be wiped off the map, his comments were (quite intentionally, evidently) mistranslated to add to the ongoing demonisation of he and Iran in general, and he never 'denied' the holacaust, he simply questioned its extent, as have many, many others - it's rather absurd of your writers here, actually, to be writing in a major 'alternative' publication and be apparently ignorant of such things.

- I could go on (and on and on, it's quite an absurd article overall) but there's no point - but if you're going to accept junk like this, maybe it's time you rethought the website name - 'alter' net hardly seems appropriate, when you publish stuff that would be right at home in any of the corporate media, with its lies and "America the Great!!!!' boosterism.

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Freedom of Speech? Unpopular Ideas?
Posted by: mxxxxh on Sep 24, 2007 6:45 AM   
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Columbia University believes in free speech and the importance of listening to unpopular ideas? Remember how committed Columbia was to allowing Jim Gilchrist of the Minuteman project to speak? His presentation was completely disrupted and when an attempt was made to reschedule his talk the University said they wouldn't allow it because they couldn't guarantee security.

Imagine if a fundamentalist Christian wanted to speak about how homosexuality was immoral and should be illegal. Would the University have the same commitment to free speech?

Yet homosexuality is illegal in Iran and is punishable by death, a sentence which is often carried. According to Amnesty International, at least 5 people convicted of "homosexual tendencies", three men and two women, were executed in January 1990, as a result of the Iranian government's policy of calling for the execution of those who practice homosexuality.

Universities practice free speech for certain ideas and not others. Columbia should be ashamed for providing a forum for a homophobic, anti-Semitic dictator.

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» Stop babbling. Posted by: lamar
» It's the elected(!) president Posted by: swissliberal
» RE: Anti-semetic Posted by: DesertStone
» RE: Anti-semitic Posted by: leafsong1
» RE: Anti-semitic Posted by: blitzmesser
'WIPED OFF THE MAP' THE RUMOR OF THE CENTURY..HE NEVER SAID IT.
Posted by: TRUTHer on Sep 24, 2007 7:07 AM   
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Read the full article here: ITS ABOUT TRUTH, not spin. TURN OFF YOUR TV.

http://democracyrising.us/content/view/736/164/

Here are parts of it:



THE ACTUAL QUOTE:



So what did Ahmadinejad actually say? To quote his exact words in farsi:



"Imam ghoft een rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad."



That passage will mean nothing to most people, but one word might ring a bell: rezhim-e. It is the word "Regime", pronounced just like the English word with an extra "eh" sound at the end. Ahmadinejad did not refer to Israel the country or Israel the land mass, but the Israeli regime. This is a vastly significant distinction, as one cannot wipe a regime off the map. Ahmadinejad does not even refer to Israel by name, he instead uses the specific phrase "rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods" (regime occupying Jerusalem).



So this raises the question.. what exactly did he want "wiped from the map"? The answer is: nothing. That's because the word "map" was never used. The Persian word for map, "nagsheh", is not contained anywhere in his original farsi quote, or, for that matter, anywhere in his entire speech. Nor was the western phrase "wipe out" ever said. Yet we are led to believe that Iran's President threatened to "wipe Israel off the map", despite never having uttered the words "map", "wipe out" or even "Israel."

Please just read the article. We have been through this before. It is so easy to convince the people, when all we have to do is investigate and read. My God, we can not go to another war based on more lies. WE START THE WARS. WE ARE THE BAD GUYS. why is it ok for us to kill and slaughter, then accuse Iran of trying to help Iraq..

If New Jersey got attacked, I would hope NY would help. what is so hard to understand about that.

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» IRIBNews Whois Record Posted by: IPF
» RE: IRIBNews Whois Record Posted by: seraphmoon
Whatever Ahmadinejad is, he is not a coward.
Posted by: dustdevil on Sep 24, 2007 7:13 AM   
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Can you imagine George Bush visiting Iran to speak at one of their universities? Would Bush ever agree to be interviewed for an Iranian news show? Could he keep his cool if asked loaded questions as Mike Wallace did to Ahmadinejad on 60 minutes? What if the interviewer asked him why Israel is allowed to have nuclear weapons and not Iran. What if they asked him how many countries Israel has attacked since 1956? And then how many Iran has attacked? Could Bush explain why Israel was never confronted concerning their attack on the US intelligence ship "Liberty" during the 1967 war? 34 Americans were killed and 172 wounded. Nuclear weapons in the hands of the Israelis, in my opinion, are much more dangerous than if Iran had them.

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Free Speech yes of course sure Ok, 1st Amendment hell no...!
Posted by: TJ-stars4peace on Sep 24, 2007 7:27 AM   
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Look this is just a stick man issue for the Right Wing fascists to distract from their corruption and daily betrayal of We The People..

That said: also there are so many idiots who do even know that Free Speech is our tradition of course, but
The 1st Amendment does not apply to this little piece of shit..!

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