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Does Naomi Klein Oversimplify the Connections Between Globalization and War?

By Stephen Marshall, AlterNet. Posted September 22, 2007.


The left accepts as faith the idea that corporate globalization and war are connected. But there's a danger in oversimplifying that connection.

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Back in 2004, just as the insurgency was gaining traction in Iraq, I met with Naomi Klein who was then beginning to lay the intellectual foundation for her new book, Shock Doctrine: The Rise of Disaster Capitalism. In a short conversation, Klein explained that it was due to the failure of IMF and World Bank-authored free trade policies -- otherwise known as the Washington consensus -- that the United States is now forced to use military force in order to open new markets.

"The market," she said, "finds itself in a situation where its usual suppliers, its usual dealers, are cutting it off. That's what is happening in Latin America. When attempts to privatize energy and water in Bolivia are resisted, when huge popular movements are saying 'we don't want the free trade area of the Americas,' when poor countries banded together and said 'we'd rather have no deal than a bad deal.' That means that they're getting cut off."

According to Klein, the old system of using the WTO or IMF to coerce trade agreements from desperate leaders was "free trade lite." But the new framework is entirely different. It has been upgraded to one she refers to as "free trade at a barrel of a gun, or free trade supercharge."

"I believe that the goal of this war was to bomb, into being, a new free trade zone," Klein told me. "Precisely because of the enormous backlash against these economic policies by countries that have already adopted them. Capitalism functions like a drug addict. The drug is growth. It needs growth to survive. It needs growth to expand."

So, forcing regime change Iraq was conceived as a means to open a new market that could produce income for American companies. "Not just oil," Klein said, "but water, roads, schools, hospitals, private jails, anything that can be turned into a commodity and sold."

Moreover, with the supercharge model, American free traders were able to achieve in Iraq what took them three decades to engineer in Latin America, the wholesale privatization of the national economy.

"In a single day," Klein explained, "[Director of Reconstruction] Paul Bremer passed a set of policies that literally usually take three decades to get passed. Iraq's economy was protected, somewhat. In Iraq's constitution it very clearly says that there are sectors of the economy that are considered essential services and not open to privatization. Not just oil, but water and so on. And it also says that Iraqi businesses cannot be foreign-owned -- very clear rules embedded in Iraq's constitution."

"On Sept. 19, 2003, Bremer introduced Order 39, which overturned Iraq's constitution. It allowed 100 percent foreign ownership of Iraqi businesses and it put 200 Iraqi state companies up for privatization, up for sale. And it also said that companies coming into Iraq can take 100 percent of their profits out of the country. It also gave them a massive tax break. Bigger than anything Bush has been able to achieve. The top tax bracket in Iraq before Order 39 was 45 percent, which is what it is in Canada. It's now a 15 percent flat tax. So this is an economic overhaul. It is shock therapy. It has already led to 70 percent unemployment. And we're not hearing about it."

Klein pointed to the constant and extensive media coverage of the military aspect of the occupation, which generally paints the situation in a negative light. But seen in the context of the liberal economic model that has been implemented, this is a smoke screen to cover up the fact that it has been a complete success. She quoted Republican Sen. John McCain who described Iraq as a "pot of honey that's attracting a lot of flies," adding, "and we know what the honey is. And we know who the flies are: Bechtel, Halliburton and MCI. And they're having a field day."

I asked her if this new free trade supercharge is the new template for globalization.

She nodded and said something that is truly radical. "But that doesn't render the old model obsolete. Because the other countries see this, see what happens when you don't cooperate and that makes their trade negotiations a little bit easier. So I think that the free trade lite and this free trade supercharge work hand in hand."

I'd love to hear Thomas Friedman's response to that. Unfortunately we won't be treated to a debate between Friedman and Naomi Klein anytime soon. Friedman seems to ignore the young upstart, but maybe that's because she refers to him as "the White House's unofficial brand manager." So we, the ones out here in the peanut gallery, are stuck between two extremes, two mutually exclusive narratives. The problem is that, in a world that has become polarized between good and evil, Islam and Christianity, globalization and anti-globalization, most people seem to be satisfied to live with their own familiar version of the truth. This is a phenomenon that the great American economic theorist John Kenneth Galbraith elaborated in The Affluent Society.


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Stephen Marshall is an author and film-maker. A founder of Guerrilla News Network, he directed the award-winning documentary, Battleground: 21 Days on the Empire's Edge, and controversial, politicized music videos for the Beastie Boys, Eminem and 50 Cent. His new book is Wolves in Sheep's Clothing: The New Liberal Menace in America (Disinfo).

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Awfully big roundhouses from Engler! Whoosh!
Posted by: notabilia on Sep 22, 2007 2:32 AM   
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Ah, let me get this barrage straight - war is NOT globalization? I probably agree with some of what Marshall/savant Engler want to say, but it's hard to keep up with the persnickety autism.
1. In the end, to find out why fascists chickenhawks sent their bombs a burstin' is not all that important. They wanted to go to war, and Hussein was the best target. Why was he the best target? Oh, for several reasons - Israel, oil, the convenient staging of the enslaved, decimated Middle East, where the demented father had conducted his splendid mass murders. Why did they want to go to war? Well, because they are first-rate poltroons. Do you really care to delve deep into the childhoods of these fake tough guys 'n gals?
2. Yes, it is the supersystem that is at fault. Yes, that is the ultimate concern, but isn't that what Klein is saying, that huge corporate war profiteers are at work in Iraq/Iran/New Orleans/maybe next to your neighborhood next?
3. War is good for some businesses, bad for others, but boy, it sure gives a people and an overlord elite a focus away from their devolving state.
4. Why won't would-be pundits respond to criticism? Why won't they slow down and try to develop their positions, rather than spouting off without surcease? Marshall/Engler, like all the other would-be social critics, including me, need to capitalize on the freedom of not being a war combatant to actually respond when others weigh on on their assertions. Engler sounds awfully confident about his big, bold assertions - what is he, the Great Decider of the Sure-to-Sell-Out Left?
5. That also goes for Klein - enough with the one talking head speeches, lectures, classes - we are all one level above dust, and need to start getting some humility about our intellectual reach.

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Naomi Klein hit the nail on the head ...
Posted by: mmckinl on Sep 22, 2007 2:42 AM   
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Engler has oversimplified Kleins' thesis , especially on Iraq .

See these videos http://www.policyalternatives.ca/naomi%5Fklein%5Fvideos/

Engler draws a contrast between Bush and Clinton saying they are opposites when in fact Bush is just Clinton on steroids while incompetent ...after all Clinton killed 500,000 children with sanctions in Iraq !

Engler fails to see that social trauma happens in many ways and in varying degrees ...

What happened after 9/11 in this country is Shock Doctrine 101 . Tax cuts during a war ... first time in history ... the trauma of the Democrats ... the Patriot Act ...

Two other books on this issue are Chalmers Johnson's "Nemesis" and John Perkins " Economic Hit Man" ...

The rush for Iraqi oil is the Peak Oil scenario ... with demand accelerating in China and India , and , going down nowhere else while oilwells are drying up at increasing rate creates a big problem ... a very big problem ...

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Disaster Capitalism, a Tool from Empire's Toolbox
Posted by: Greg on Sep 22, 2007 3:55 AM   
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I welcome Naomi Klein's exploration and articulation of the lengths (U.S.) Empire will go to further and protect its ambitions. Klein connects the dots and renders an outline that, to those familiar with it, looks an awful lot like the old imperial mandate.

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War as a tool of change?
Posted by: rnagisetty on Sep 22, 2007 4:09 AM   
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Either Friedman is a congenital fascist or he thought through all things and came to the conclusion, wars could be used whenever the big power feels it is useful(?). To reach this level of insensitivity, it is beyond my comprehension. I don't know what Friedman can do in a debate with Naomi. I think he is irrelevant to the reality. He lives in a fantasy land just like Bush and the neo-cons.

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They're possibly both right.
Posted by: justaguy on Sep 22, 2007 4:14 AM   
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I'm not sure that Engler has correctly interpreted Naomi Klein's work and anyone who speaks of "the left" in such a monolithic way has to be viewed with a skeptical eye, but he is IMO quite correct in his view of the neocon/neoliberal dichotomy.

The neocons are more about an idealized vision of empire and crucially, a firm place for Eretz Y'israel tucked nicely into it. The bucks being handed out are bribes to bring a significant portion of the ruling class along. They're delusional and evil but clever.

I've always felt that GW Bush is a crony capitalist first and foremost but the empirical notion is appealing to his shallow vanity.

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Mere anecdotes do not disprove a thesis
Posted by: nc green on Sep 22, 2007 5:23 AM   
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Just because there were different motives behind the Iraq war (economic, religious, geopolitical, etc.) does not invalidate Klein's argument. Nor does it lessen the importance of the economic motivation (Klein's focus) just because some global corporations opposed the war.

Engler accuses "liberals" of seeing capitalist interests as monolithic, then he proceeds to argue that since global capital's interests are not monolithic, Klein's thesis is wrong. Circular reasoning. Even if he could prove "liberals" are deluded on the one point, the fact that every CEO in the world is not in agreement has no bearing on the economic theories and motivations of those who started this war.

Again, just because Disney or Coke didn't benefit from the Iraq war does not invalidate the argument that the war was fought at least partly to deliver a new market to global capital and a new sphere of influence to the Chicago school.

What is significant is that disaster capitalism creates a perfect storm within which economic and geopolitical, and even utopian and religious, motivations feed off one another to satisfy those in power.

There can be many motives behind the Iraq war, but the group that sold it were members of the Chicago school, and they got their way in exactly the way Klein describes. That group seems now to be out of favor in the White House, but that doesn't mean their methods have been discarded, by the White House, the Pentagon or the CIA.

Engler also attacks Klein's argument by suggesting that its ONLY logical extension is that every economically non-compliant country will be invaded. This is easily refuted by our recent history. Instead of invading every country that stands in the way of corporate globalisation, we can undermine those countries through sanctions, we can foment rebellion, we can arm opposition groups, we can destroy governments with debt, and we can assassinate leaders (all documented in Perkins's "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man").

Engler's argument fails, I think, because he requires a conspiracy. Because everybody who benefits doesn't agree, he suggests, Klein must be wrong. This is a fundamental misunderstanding of the unconscious workings of an economic system. Marx never said the capitalists were consciously out to destroy their own means of production. The capitalists do it unconsciously and semi-consciously, but they do it anyway. Many capitalists are offended to see others do it, but that doesn't disprove Marx's statement, either.

In the same way, disaster capitalism doesn't require a conscious global conspiracy. It requires only a combination of corporate and governmental power and the ideological and economic desire to open "new markets." If Coke and Disney don't agree with the Chicago school's theories, they had better take a look at their own business practices, because those practices have led us where we are today.

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» Ideological Cynicism Posted by: pdxstudent
EXPLAINING WAR?
Posted by: chalet on Sep 22, 2007 6:33 AM   
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This has to be one of the most superficial conversations about waging war. I guess destruction, mass killings, astronomical financial indebtedness, not to mention that no acceptable reason has ever been given for the war by Bush, all are not discussed. Nor will the repercussion on democracy and inevitable blowback seemingly be of importance. Opinions are not facts. Facts need to be proved. Wholesale manslaughter is a fact. Who gains and who loses are facts. The rest is just hot air.

dci

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Did none of you read PNAC? YOU CAN PUT LIPSTICK AND A TUTU
Posted by: mdruss42 on Sep 22, 2007 7:11 AM   
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ON A PIG, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT IS STILL A PIG, AND NOT AS GRACEFUL AS YOU HAD HOPED.

Afghanastan, Iraq, Iran, then Syria........THIS IS THE PLAN........ON TRACK. When people like Cheny, Wolfie, the AH who was War Dept, etc actually publish their wishlist, it is a good idea to pay attention.

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Whoosh! Engler misses! Whoosh! He misses AGAIN!
Posted by: wagadog on Sep 22, 2007 7:48 AM   
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As for the play-by-play where Engler takes a swipe at Klein's thesis by looking at a small portion of it -- undeiable Iraq war profiteering and corruption-- and calls it an "oversimplification " on the basis that it has not been good for all businesses in the world. Do tell?

It appears that this article is just setting up a small part of Klein's 575-page thesis and mischaracterizing it as an absolute -- Klein never said that the Iraq war benefited every business on the face of the planet but this is how Engler has set up his strawman argument.

Engler then goes on, in his telephone interview to engage in a couple of absolutes of his own: "...you have that Clinton model of corporate globalization that was working very well for everyone , it was a very profitable period for everyone ." (Emphasis mine. Words Engler's.)

Do tell?

It was during the Clinton administration that the practice of extraordinary rendition was started -- why? Whom did these kidnappings and torture benefit? Perhaps his own cronies in corporate globalization? Has Engler researched that ? I'm actually quite curious to find out -- because clearly, Clinton's extraordinary renditions did not benefit the men and women kidnapped from their homes, disappeared into the night and fog, and then tortured to death in coffin-sized cells in the present-day equivalent of the Black Hole of Calcutta .

And, you know I hear Hil has written a book about raising children in the areas of Iraq they bombarded with cruise missiles -- it's called It Takes Out A Village. You know you can raise them sky high with that philosophy of child development. And make interesting modifications to the skeletal structure of those that survive.

What else did the Clintons do in the service of their "model of corporate globalization that benefited everyone "? Oh, NAFTA, widespread plant closings, Union Busting! Growing Economic Inequality At Home And Abroad, Welfare Reform, Growing Child Poverty, A Failed Universal Healthcare Policy which just happened to coincide with large donations from Big Pharma to The Hil.

Wow, you know I am just so impressed with how the Clinton Economic Miracle Of Corporate Globalization Benefited EVERYONE .

Pull the other one, Engler, it's got bells on it.

Klein writes a well-researched 575-page thesis complete with source materials provided on the web, detailed footnotes and endnotes (several per page, backing up every fact she presents) and covering a recurring pattern of shock and economic awe-full takeover in multiple "Economic Miracles" explicitly recommended by a small academic coterie of U UChicago economists that corresponds to a growth in poverty in those same countries. Klein documents, in her thesis The Shock Doctrine that the mechanisms by which this poverty is causally related to the specific policies recommended by The Chicago Boys in every instance (including those conducted during the Clinton administration).

And Engler phones this just in: Klein's thesis is an "oversimplification."

Again, we're looking forward to reviewing his research materials.

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» Time to switch tactics Posted by: ray burchard
Cause/Effect
Posted by: newtype_alpha on Sep 22, 2007 8:27 AM   
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Speaking of shallow analysis, Engler pulls a few doosies in his responses here. Best embodied by this one:
According to Engler, even if Klein is right, and the goal of invading Iraq was to institute a so-called capitalist paradise, the unilateral invasion and subsequent quagmire and global divide it has created is simply "bad capitalism" and there is little support for doing it again. Hence it cannot be the new phase of anything. Instead, as he said, it is a throwback to an older version of imperial globalization, the kind that Thomas Friedman refers to as Globalization 1.0.

Engler is absolutely correct here. Yet he inexplicably fails to aknowledge that the result of the invasion bears little resemblance to what was SUPPOSED to result from the invasion. The disaster-capitalist knockover of Iraq is bad capitalism precisely because the entire adventure was doomed to failure; that the war profiteers running this government didn't see this coming hardly changes their motives.

I get from a reading of "Imperial Life in the Emerald City" that the greater emphasis on the Iraq war was given to "Bush's vision for Iraq," so graetly in fact that the entire invasion and reconstruction effort revolved around it. L. Paul Bremmer shared that vision, and made no secret that the foundation of that vision was a capitalist utopia that would attract foreign (particularly American) investment and widepsread capitalization.

Take the Bushites at face value, and you get their own words to fall back on: they DID invade Iraq for the purpose of opening a new market. Not just Iraq per se, but the entire middle east. Bush's vision for Iraq is to "spread freedom" to the region; even till recently, the expectaction is that "success" in Iraq will setup some sort of domino effect that will spread that "freedom" to Iran or Syria or Sudan or Lebanon. It's only when we look at their actions that we undersand that Bushites like L. Paul Bremmer define "freedom" as "free-market capitalism" and little else.

Ironically, Engler is way off the mark because he doesn't seem to recognize that the Bush agenda has been a complete failure in Iraq for a variety of reasons. That the invasion of Iraq failed to reach any of the objectives that Klein describes does NOT mean the invasion didn't have those objectives in mind.

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» RE: Cause/Effect Posted by: ray burchard
» Never been there, have you? Posted by: justaguy
» Never been there, have you? Posted by: ray burchard
» Ridiculous. Posted by: justaguy
» RE: Ridiculous. Posted by: ray burchard
The PLAN is on TRACK....The new GOLD RUSH ..for
Posted by: picket on Sep 22, 2007 8:33 AM   
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Corporate America. There is lots of $$$$$$$$$$$ to be made unfortunately on the backs of the American majority.
While many Americans are trying to figure out how to pay this winter's fuel bill or pay the medical bill or buy the BIG TICKET item off the credit card [forget the new fridge] or pay the taxman, BUSHCO +DEMS are spending $$$$$ 2.5 BILLION a week in Iraq.

Why spend billions to build "enduring" bases. The Pentagon calls these 14 Bases 'enduring' all of which will eventually be consolidated into four mega bases.

The USA is not leaving totally EVER. While Defense Secretary Bill Gates sometimes appears to be a GWB adversary....do not fall for this chess move...GHWB and Gates are both CIA friends forever. Gates said we may be there 50 years.

http://www.fcnl.org/iraq/bases.htm

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A Response from Engler
Posted by: Mark Engler on Sep 22, 2007 8:35 AM   
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This is Mark Engler writing. I feel compelled to respond in brief because I believe that this article takes my arguments out of context.

I do have a somewhat different analysis of the Iraq War than does Naomi Klein. However, my argument was not formulated as an attack on Klein or on The Shock Doctrine. My interview with Stephen Marshall took place two years ago, in 2005; in it, we discussed an article I had written a year before, in 2004. The Shock Doctrine was just published this month, in September 2007. To present my phone interview as a specific response to The Shock Doctrine is disingenuous.

I hope I will have an opportunity to explore the full thesis of Klein’s new book and consider the strengths and weaknesses of her argument. However, I have not been able to do so yet. I believe it is an important work.

I would recommend readers who would like to engage in further discussion of the connections between war and globalization to my original article, available at: http://www.democracyuprising.com. I stand by the arguments presented there, and I would be happy to explore them further with interested readers.

Yours sincerely,
Mark Engler

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» A response from wagadog Posted by: wagadog
» RE: A Response from Engler Posted by: crazyquilt
» Response from Marshall Posted by: SWMarshall
» Thanks to both authors, Posted by: kwalla
» RE: Thanks to both authors, Posted by: SWMarshall
Response from Marshall (repost)
Posted by: SWMarshall on Sep 22, 2007 11:40 AM   
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First of all, I want to address the accusations that this article disingenuously presented Engler's arguments about war and globalization as a repudiation of Klein's Shock Therapy thesis. In the lede, I clearly explained that the interviews with Klein and Engler date back to 2004 and focused on a fractional, but still vital, plank of the widely held progressive contention that the Iraq war has a causal relationship to the global thrust of US corporate imperialists.

The body of this article was excerpted from my book, and the whole point of it was to do exactly what crazyquilt, at least initially, perceived as its strength. To question progressive conventional wisdom. This is by no means a repudiation of Klein's Shock Therapy thesis, which I totally support and believe to be one of the most important important political, let alone anthropological, treatises to be tabled in the last 20 years.

But what is the point of Engler's discussion? (And it is obviously just a discussion based on his own research and not an essay.) In the end... what he is warning us about is to not get caught in the good cop/bad cop routine that can so easily be played out by the institutions (IMF, World Bank) which can suddenly seem like a remedy to the global economic unilateralism of the neocons.

This is obviously a small excerpt from my book, which looks at the way that liberalism has come to be defined in this country. And abroad. Where, as Conor Cruise O'Brien once told a young Christopher Hitchens, liberalism is "the word that makes the rich world yawn and the poor world sick." All of us on this site are progressive thinkers but we are also guilty of falling from time to time into the comforts of conventional wisdom. Is Klein guilty of it in moments, in aspects of her gifted ability to synthesize her understanding of macro-economic trends with micro-societal impact? I think Engler makes some good points here and it does not have to be reduced to a dualistic either/or paradigm. It's simply worth considering an alternative viewpoint.

Finally, it's interesting to note that another aspect of a traumatized family, or society, is the inability to question authority figures. In times of great pain or loss, we feel very protective of our leaders, even if they have been our tormentors. This is played out in abusive families all the time and, I would argue, has been replicated in the way Americans supported the administration (and still support it!) in the wake of the Iraqi quagmire. But we on the left have to be equally vigilant about our own need to question ourselves and the foundations of our beliefs. And this was just one small excursion into that quest for truth. It was a casual discussion with a learned writer that I believe needs to be heard and which can give us all a departure point for our own self-analysis as much as that of the left in general.

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Does Naomi Klein Oversimplify the Connections Between Globalization and War?
Posted by: StPeteRican on Sep 22, 2007 11:56 AM   
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Engler needs to read Rebuilding America's Defenses. He seems to be arguing in circles. So what if there are different types of capitalism. The type that is destroying the world right now is the one professed by the Bush Administration. It is no coincidence that the same people that brought us the coup in Chile, Iran-Contra, Drugs for Weapons, privatization of government, etc. are the ones bringing us the Iraq Invasion, even if there's been a 30 year gap in their control of power. Their aims remain the same, rape the planet for profit with whatever means necessary before global warming issues become too huge to ignore, then run for the hills with the loot. They are international criminals and should be put to death.

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Absolute nonsense from Engler and Marshall.
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Sep 22, 2007 12:16 PM   
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Example:
"Maybe. But corporate America doesn't look at the 50-year picture. Corporate America looks at their next quarter profits."

That is simply not true, and if you ask any insider they'll tell you that it's nonsense. The oil industry, as just one example, tends to have a twenty year heads-up view.

After all, why do you think that refineries all over the US are now tooling up for more sulfur-rich heavy oil? It's because their long-term forecasts show that the cheap light crude is running out fast.

That phrase alone is good evidence that the author doesn't have a clue. Who were these 'major business executives' who opposed the war? Disney? Coca-Cola? Let's have a look-see:

Disney DIS
Top Four Shareholders:
FMR CORPORATION (FIDELITY) $3,242,944,602
STATE STREET CORPORATION $2,354,666,389
Barclays Global Investors UK $2,049,533,243
VANGUARD GROUP, INC. (THE) $1,859,898,789

ExxonMobile XOM
Top Four Shareholders:
Barclays Global Investors UK $21,279,239,976
STATE STREET CORPORATION $14,693,423,166
VANGUARD GROUP, INC. (THE) $13,710,516,151
FMR CORPORATION (FIDELITY) $9,822,117,749

The value of their holdings in Exxon has doubled since the war began, thanks to high oil prices plus the fact that Exxon has been getting Iraqi oil, and is moving to establish a dominant position in Africa.

For your convenience:
Coca Cola
Chevron
Monsanto
NewsCorp (FOX)
Lockheed

Again, here are the top holders for Lockheed:
STATE STREET CORPORATION $7,382,542,290
Barclays Global Investors UK $2,508,740,617
MARSICO CAPITAL MANAGEMENT $1,959,140,021
FMR CORPORATION (FIDELITY) $1,744,714,328

Now, reread this article with this in mind, and look at the author's attempt to paint Naomi Klein as a religous fanatic:

This resignation, as Galbraith put it, to "associate truth with convenience," is a trait that isn't relegated to liberals or conservatives, layman or academics. We all have a yearning to see our view of the world corroborated in the ideas of others, especially those more famous than ourselves. To describe these widely acceptable and predictable ideas, Galbraith coined the term "conventional wisdom." He likened the act of listening to conventional wisdom to a religious experience, one that grants its audience a form of "affirmation like reading aloud from the Scriptures or going to church."

I wondered how much this could be applied to writers like Noami Klein, who have had tremendous success in mining the deep discontent of their progressive audiences


Conclusion: This is a really rotten article that relies heavily on distortion and deliberate smeat tactics in a calculated attempt to smear Naomi Klein. Did Alternet actually pay this author for this tripe? Amazing.

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» smear tactics, that is. Posted by: thoughtcriminal
» RE: smear tactics, that is. Posted by: ray burchard
» So post it here. Posted by: thoughtcriminal
Yes! No! Maybe! BS along with "diamonds on the soles"
Posted by: jambro on Sep 22, 2007 12:56 PM   
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marshall/engler have many relevant points, not the least a conclusion that "soft capitalism" penetrates markets more effectively than "gunboat diplomacy". but look at history ... which most pundits shy away from & media abhor.

from 1776 onward, the us anglo-american offspring of uk mercantilism has bulied its way to continental, hemispheric global hegemony, quite black - white calvinist in its principles.

mid 19th cent. abolutionists were stoned in their northeast regional bastion, tarred & feathered in pennsylvania & ohio.

even deeper, historic opposition to protestant anti-hispanic / catholic war lobbies (black legend, which was unfortunately a part of jefferson's imperial vision/nightmare), brought equal sanctions, right up to present. history provides a deep context for attempts at "english-only legislation" & codewords, for unwelcome hispanic as well as asian immigration, not to mention deeply embedded anti-black racism.

what is on the homefront, carries on to the global stage - havana as the enemy from spanish rule to home rule, monroe exacerbated & exemplified in creating a panama for a usa controlled canal, ad infinitum - "yankee go home" has a deep history.

while the brits carried opium from india to china, boston mandrin ships carried the same cargo from turkey to the same chinese ports - open door policy.

do i need to really go on citing the entire 19th & 20th cent. catalog of a greedy, brutal & opportunistic usa, its ruling elite (see kevin phillips & gore vidal on this topic)?

it is obvious to any casual as well as serious student of history that words are words while deeds are deeds, but the two forces converge into patterns that survive regime change (czarist-ussr-russia), or lack thereof (usa).

finally i always object to the absurd codes right-left that dominate a polar psychology & discourse, more prevalent among anglo-saxon protestant culture (WASP) ... two sides of the aisle ... obsolete, useless.

yes, friedmann & klein may write & be published on different sides of the aisle, but they sit in the same discursive arena.

motivations for decision making are always complex & usually unfathomable, those responsible often most adept at attempts to armchair quarterback, damage control & rewriting what was to what is most palatable to their respective constituencies.

as to, any monolithic block encompassing multi-dimensional segments, sectors & players in the capital-accumulation arena, history also shows us that there never was, nor ever will be such coherency.

geopolitics. it has been argued should be relabeled as geo-economics ... a globalist proposition. but politics is human greed for absolute power, while economics, however misused the term, only represents greed for accumulation of power via symbolic capital & control of markets & resources, inclusive of labour & energy.

what a princeton educated ideologue / intellectual like rumsfeld holds is a historical worldview not unlike machiavelli, or julius ceasar, of ongoing geopolitical struggle as a zero-sum game, that continues however much the players change ... ergo, anti soviet meant anti socialism in all forms that might threaten the complex interwoven fabric of a 200 year old anglo-american capitalist system, and its struggle to dominate global trade, resources, markets, etc.

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Yes! No! Maybe! BS along with "diamonds on the soles" pt 2
Posted by: jambro on Sep 22, 2007 1:01 PM   
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vis marshall/engler discussion ...

what a princeton educated ideologue / intellectual like rumsfeld holds is a historical worldview not unlike machiavelli, or julius ceasar, of ongoing geopolitical struggle as a zero-sum game, that continues however much the players change ... ergo, anti soviet meant anti socialism in all forms that might threaten the complex interwoven fabric of a 200 year old anglo-american capitalist system, and its struggle to dominate global trade, resources, markets, etc.

not only rumsfeld, & more than neo-cons, a powerful elite, including segments of the old-family military establishment (multi-generations graduating from the citadel, & all the us military academies), are more than eager to take over from the uk in continuing the 19th cent. "great game" so aptly named by kipling in his classic view of the struggle ... who among these men has not read "kim"!

then there are remnants of a century old china lobby, blaming intellectuals for "losing china" from us missionary-capitalist grip.

put together great game players & those embedded in legacies of the chinese card, and look at a map of us involvement in central asia. then count the resources invested in an american intrusion into the region via quasi-academic - public administration - market ideology - corporate - ngo sectors ... add up the result & you can see where iraq - iran - afghanistan all sit on the gameboard.

think i am nostalgic or missing contemporary reasons for words & deeds swirling around destruction of iraq & billions of national debt invested into clearing the ground for a failed neo-liberal takeover of rebuilding what the military so conveniently destroyed ... read what strategic minded scholars & tacticians from within the us military elite are writing!

conclusion: the article / review in question aptly criticises points within all the friedmann - klein non-debate, but vastly oversimplifies both propositions as well as its own conclusions about motivation, always a mystery, and consequences -- more complex than an american elite, much less public are willing to consider.

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corporate vs. other models of global commerce
Posted by: jambro on Sep 22, 2007 2:25 PM   
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an afterthought from rereading this discussion ... corporate may exist as a "western" model, but non-Euro-American systems of family owned networks of capital & power, actually may far outweigh the shares/stock-market based corporate players in terms of global circulation of capital, goods & labour.

.... last night while sitting with a group of arab gulf players, they joked about bill gates as the world's richest man, all knowing individuals from gulf states with similar fortunes invested quietly around the world ...

... they also laughed about the indian billionaires they knew doing business in the gulf, some of them the grandsons of pearl buyers & gold smugglers, now money launderers with commercial networks stretching across the globe thanks to the british empire that gave them access via immigration, ostensibly as labour, but quickly turning family commercial investment networks into commercial powerhouses ...

... then someone mentioned the aga khan, every current ismaeli leader being put on the scales in east africa by his followers, who would match his weight in precious jewels & metals ... for generations before & after the brits opened the doors for them to spread out from india ...

... as i thought, even in canada where the aga khan's telephone call to pierre trudeau opened the door for 30,000 ismaili refugees from uganda & east africa to become one of the country's current economic forces ...

... or the shah of iran's sister bringing $5billion to vancouver, buying her own island, then along with other iranian exiles developing shoreline high rises that forever changed the city's landscape and capital markets, paving the way for a few $billion annual inflow from hong kong ..

a saudi among us, opened up another pandora's box with a comment on king abdullah's personal income of 20% from all annual oil revenues, with no expenses, since the state pays all those, and for all the royal family as well ....

... we then tried to guess what investments he has personally, & if he takes interest from bank accounts on his annual $billions of income how much that would amount to over 10 years at a mere 5% ... or if he does not trust banks .... where he keeps the money or gold ... & how much more valuable that stash than current accounts in the legendary fort knox ...

all in all it was an enjoyable conversation over shisha & tea .. & as we left, a quick moment of realization that i was the only one not getting into a half million dollars worth of automobile, nor driving home with a bodyguard to a house much larger and very much more luxuriously appointed than bush's white house ... just a few guys with a few connections & investments, hanging out on a warm gulf night after watching a world cup rugby match ...

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The Real Money - NSA and Pentagon Contracts
Posted by: mmckinl on Sep 22, 2007 4:05 PM   
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"Based on this year’s estimated budget of at least $48 billion, that would come to at least $34 billion in contracts."

salon.com 2007/06/01/ Tim Shorrock

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And that is just the NSA ...

Hallliburton and the usual suspects are chump change ...

And these contracts will go on for YEARS in the Black Box of DOD budgets ...

So while everybody is focused on Iraq 35 Billion a year is being privatized right here at home ...

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Naomi Klein is right, it's not rocket science
Posted by: Ghoulman on Sep 23, 2007 11:22 AM   
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... WAR IS A RACKET.

It's a very old story, Klein is simply giving history and context of our Corporatist enfeebled world. Free Market Capitalists never accept corporatism as anything but leftist propoganda... yet Klein points out how this is precisely what is going on and the Right's evangelical war/crisis mongering to affect 'privatization' has become the 'common wisdom' in Washington and corporate towers worldwide.

Governments are brokers for corporations. This is in direct contradiction to social needs and realities. Why is this so hard to fathom?

If Klein is wrong, why invade Iraq in what is plainly a war of aggression for oil privatization (which is aht the IRaq government right now is fighting)? Attack Hugo Chavez simply because he feeds the poor with nationalized oil revenues? Refer to anyone who isn't behind the Free Market religion as a commie and hippie (Bill O'Reilly quote, I'm sure)?

The Right does wholeheartedly believe this is the best thing for the world and they simply don't acknowledge the many failures and damage to society this has wrot. Hey, if Americans want their dollar to be on par with the Canadian dollar... keep it up. If American's like having homeless everywhere, fine. If Americans just wait for people do die off when a hurricane hits New Orleans..., well, I guess that's ok too. If American think yet another tax CUT for the super-rich and social security privatized is a good thing, well... oh I could go on and on. And Naomi does too... her book does have, like, 70 pages of footnotes and over a 1000 sources. I don't think this article does much more than try to paint Naomi as a someone who is forwarding a conspiracy theory when in fact she is mearly points out history, what's happened before, what we are doing now, and why it's a failure. And brother... if you think the US of A is anything else but a massive failure economically, politically, and morally... come on.

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So, war may not be good for Disney and Coke? Tish, tish.
Posted by: Sojourner on Sep 23, 2007 7:53 PM   
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It's a whole lot worse for the three thousand plus Americans who have lost their lives in military service. And the million plus Iraqis.

Can we keep our priorities straight?

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National identity IS BRANDING...
Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Sep 24, 2007 11:38 AM   
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& allows us to 'externalize' what we do 'for us'.

Let's try to remember: what DO we have in common?

we're human... & rich dudes pay us to kill each other, steal from one another... & dump our crap on each other's doorsteps.

where's the mystery?: that's globalization

victimizing OTHERS under the impression that our turn won't come next... as a means to 'keep disaster at bay' by sacrificing others to protect ourselves 'from bad things'.

Its a shame that nobody watched Apocalypto... because all the noise about Gibson's distressed, drunken ramblings (gee, an Australian who doesn't think like everybody else, what are the odds?) obscured the genius of that film.

that to 'blame the victim' or to sacrifice others to appease that frightened voice within our own heads...

most of us will do almost anything to Silence that frightened Voice that tells us that disaster could happen to anyone... that disaster can be averted by victimizing someone else first... that by maiming & naming The Other, is throwing our fellow shipmates to the sharks of Fate hoping they'll be too sated to turn on us...


Have you ever noticed that NeoCons are happiest when there is someone to cull from the herd & reduce in-herd competition?

Spread Love...
... but wear the Glove!

BlueBerry Pick'n
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science of economic warfare
Posted by: vzn on Sep 24, 2007 8:56 PM   
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poor stephen marshall, I fully sympathize; yes economics is a quite complicated subject.
its hard to see thru all the massive propaganda.

probably tens of millions, maybe hundreds of millions are spent per year
on thinktanks coming up with veiled philosphies of property theft disguised as economic theory.

federal reserve is nothing but a smokescreen for
sophisticated, veiled parasitism of the capital class
vs the labor class.
but the propaganda is quite effective,
and the labor class has no problem with it, only dimly aware
of its true purpose.

aka "economic warfare"

"none are more enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free" --goethe

of course dear naomi cannot cite my paper,
but you can see all the same key memes (albeit 5 years older) laid out bare. (and actually many more).

naomi suffers the same flaw as everyone studying the problems; she is insufficiently radical.
(ok I dont blame her, she has to protect her reputation & sell books....
I commend for how far out on a limb she's gone.... true bravery.... wink)

anyway, all the gory details in a paper I wrote called


"fractional reserve banking as economic parasitism"


endorsed by two phd economists. printed in nexus
magazine, 60k world circulation. #1 top downloaded
economics paper. used by economics
teacher in australia as standard classroom material.

more info on request.


recent supporting material:



The Shock Doctrine: Naomi Klein on the Rise of Disaster Capitalism


Confessions of an Economic Hit Man: How the U.S. Uses Globalization to Cheat Poor Countries Out of Trillions


John Perkins on "The Secret History of the American Empire: Economic Hit Men, Jackals, and the Truth about Global Corruption"


Video, senator/pres candidate Dennis Kucinich at last years 2005 Monetary Reform Conference

money as debt video by Grignon

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Profitable for everyone?
Posted by: LastPuritan on Sep 25, 2007 8:30 AM   
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Engler: ""We assume that capital is a monolith, it's always united, it's always a fist. The fact of the matter is that's not true. There's always competing interests among the global elite, there's always fractures within capitalism, especially at this moment, where you have that Clinton model of corporate globalization that was working very well for everyone, it was a very profitable period for everyone."

Yeah, just ask any Mexican farmer how NAFTA of 1994 has been "profitable" for them and you're bound to get a strange look. I believe when Engler was referring to "everyone" he meant citizens of the United States. NAFTA undermines democracy.

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Lenin's Insights.
Posted by: yellow on Sep 27, 2007 8:51 AM   
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Much of the Left's tendency to make the connection between globalization and war comes from Lenin's ideas as expressed in his WWI era work with a quite self-expanatory title, Imperialism: The Hightest Stage of Capitalism which sees imperialism and its corollary, war, not so much as a policy but as a stage of history. For Lenin, Capitalism developes in stages according to what Marx previously identitfied as the laws of motion of capital which basically held that from capitalism's early beginnings in the 16th century merchantilist phase to the late industrial phase, there is a marked tendency for capital to concentrate and centralize along this linear timeline.

The merchantile trade of capitalism's first three decades, much of it including the transAtlantic Slave trade, led to sufficient accumulation to invest in the large scale factories of the 19th century industrial revolution which eclipsed the earlier small workshops. This called for rural to urban migration to develop an urban workforce for commodity production which led to greater economic concentration. Finally, we got to the monopoly stage of capitalism in the 20th century which grew out of the competitive stage. This phase began roughly with the 1893 US recession which led to a flurry of mergers which created the robber barrons who dominated mostly banking, railroads, steel, mining, energy and meatpacking. It would be left to the post WWII era, with its growth based on the pent up consumer demand from massive war production, to create monopolies based on consumer durables like autos and consumer appliances.

Thus, as capitalism as a global economy concentrates, Lenin saw two tendencies as early as 1916. One is the merging of industrial and finance capital whereby financialization guides and facilitates the strategies of industrial expansion. The other is the need for capitalism, as an inherently expansionist system, to break out of its national boundaries and seek outlets for profitable investment and markets for goods once the home market was saturated. Thus, capitalism's late phase concentrated the global economy in its competition for markets and control of accumulation and investment. There was also the necessity to extend capitalist relations of production to the non-capitalist world. Thus, the intensified competition between national capitals led to war. In this sense, Lenin's general understanding of the WWI era was dead on target.

But what of the peace between the advanced capitalist powers after WWII under the hegemony of the US which Lenin didn't foresee? This is explained by the essential integration of western capitalism and Japan into a singular global system sans the east bloc. Currently, in an epoch of total globalization and the most intense economic concentration ever in capitalism's 500 year history, we have war based not so much on competition between national capitals, which has been mitigated by the WTO (the creator of a transnational capitalist class), but between the US which is still a kind of hegemon, and those who resist globalization in the third world as in the middle east and elsewhere. In the epoch of globalization the Core/Periphery dichotomy of dependency theory with its focus on the periphery's comprador bourgeousie is eclipsed by the new phenomenon of the transnational capitalist class which encompasses the melding of the entire global bourgeousie and the creation of a world of social classes and the elimination of the nation-state as the basic organizational principle of capitalism. This may not have been foreseen by Lenin but it is certainly a logical extension of his thought. The wars of today are class conflicts more than the national ones that typified the earlier eras of nation-state based phases of capitalist development.

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