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Are You on the Government's 'No Fly' List?

By Naomi Wolf, Chelsea Green Publishing. Posted September 13, 2007.


A new book reveals how thousands of Americans who do not fit a terrorist profile are routinely harassed and detained at the airport.
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The following excerpt is from Naomi Wolf's latest book, End of America: Letter of Warning to a Young Patriot (Chelsea Green Publishing, 2007) and is used by permission of the publisher. In this timely call to arms, Wolf compels us to face the way our freedoms are under assault, and that each of the ten classic steps used by dictators to close down open societies are underway in the United States today.

ARBITRARILY DETAIN and RELEASE CITIZENS

The Press Department of the Foreign Ministry judged that ... I was urging the "spread of counterrevolutionary developments in the GDR." Because of the role I was clearly playing "in the ideological war of imperialist media against the GDR" I should be placed on the list ... -- Timothy Garton Ash

Protest has been lively in our nation throughout most of our history because being free means that you can't be detained arbitrarily. We have also felt free in the security of our homes, believing that the state can't break in and go through our possessions. All that is changing.

The List

In 2002, I began to notice that almost every time I sought to board a domestic airline flight, I was called aside by the Transportation Security Administration and given a more thorough search. When this was happening on nine flights out of ten, I asked the officials about the special search. They told me that the search was due to the quadruple "S" that routinely came up on my boarding pass. There are several reasons why one might receive a quadruple "S" on one's boarding pass if one doesn't fit a terrorist profile: buying a ticket at the last minute, for instance, or paying in cash. But those circumstances didn't apply to me. I kept asking, but not getting real answers.

This stepped-up search became so routine as I traveled that companions who were flying with me began to simply say, "I'll meet you at the gate," even before we got through the security line.

On yet another preboarding search, I asked yet again. The TSA agent searching me, a young woman, said pleasantly, "You're on the list."

"The list?" I asked. "What list?" Her supervisor abruptly ended our exchange, took over from her, and then moved me on.

Indeed, the TSA Administration does keep a "list." The American citizens on the list who do not fit a terrorist profile range from journalists and academics who have criticized the White House to activists and even political leaders who have also spoken out.

These TSA searches and releases would be trivial in a working democracy. In the 1960s, peace activists found it merely irksome to be trailed by FBI agents, and in the 1980s those who organized The Committee in Solidarity with the People of El Salvador (CISPES) on college campuses were even amused sometimes to find, on submitting a Freedom of Information Act request, that there was a file open on them. But once the first steps in a fascist shift are in place, being on "the list" is not really funny any more.

When you are physically detained by armed agents because of something that you said or wrote, it has an impact. On the one hand, during these heightened searches of my luggage, I knew I was a very small fish in a very big pond. On the other hand, you get it right away that the state is tracking your journeys, can redirect you physically, and can have armed men and women, who may or may not answer your questions, search and release you.

Our faith in nonarbitrary "safe" detention helps to make us Americans. When I was twenty, I joined a group of graduate students who traveled from Oxford to London to get arrested. We all went over to the American embassy: There we sat, self-consciously, on the chilly concrete steps, with our "U.S. OUT OF EL SALVADOR" banner unfurled on our knees. A police van arrived. Bored British police officers took us away. We were locked up for a few hours and then, of course, released.

"Silly season," one of the bobbies commented civilly as he signed the paperwork that let us go. I wasn't scared to speak out because I was in a democracy and the rule of law protected me.

That kind of experience of accountable detention and release is eroding in America. Activists are not being beaten. But they are being watched, and sometimes intimidatingly detained and released.

In America, people are not supposed to be detained because of their political beliefs. But Senator Edward M. "Ted" Kennedy, the liberal senator from Massachusetts who is a thorn in the side of the Bush administration, was detained five times in East Coast airports in March, 2004. Democratic Congressman John Lewis of Georgia has also been subjected to extra security measures.

On September 21, 2004, U.S. security officials diverted to Bangor, Maine, a United Airlines flight from London to Washington D.C. On board was Usef Islam, once known as the singer Cat Stevens. Customs and Border Protection agents questioned him on "national security grounds." Most Americans associate Cat Stevens not with bomb-building in al-Qaeda training camps, but with slowdancing to "Wild World" in suburban rec rooms. Islam's detention helps "blur the line"-- he is "one of us."

Jan Adams and Rebecca Gordon, American peace activists, tried to check in at the San Francisco airport for a trip to Boston in August 2002. Airport personnel who said that these middle-aged women were on the "master list" called the police and notified the FBI. At least twenty other peace activists are confirmed to be on the list: A 74-year-old Catholic nun who works for peace was detained in Milwaukee; Nancy Oden, a leader of the Green Party, was prevented from flying from Maine to Chicago.

Free speech advocates are on the list: King Downing of the ACLU was detained in the Boston airport in 2003. David Fathi, also of the ACLU, was detained as well. Scholars who defend the Constitution are on the list: in 2007, Professor Walter F. Murphy, emeritus of Princeton, one of the nation's foremost Constitutional scholars, who had recently spoken critically of Bush's assault on the Constitution, was detained for being on a "watch list." A TSA official confirmed informally that it was probably because Murphy had criticized the President, and warned him that his luggage would be ransacked.

In 2005, "Evo Morales"-- which is the name of the President of Bolivia, who has criticized Bush-appeared on the list, beside President Morales' birthdate. After Hugo Chavez, the President of Venezuela, gave a speech at the United Nations criticizing Bush, Chavez's foreign minister, Nicolas Maduro, was detained at Kennedy Airport. When Maduro explained that he was Venezuela's foreign minister, he said that officers "threatened and shoved" him. According to President Chavez, the officers accused Maduro of participating in terrorist acts. The chilling effect from this last example could be profound: Any staffer of any foreign government or international regulatory body can be detained.

Now, there are tens of thousands of people on the list.

Where did the list come from? In 2003, President Bush had the intelligence agencies and the FBI create a "watch list" of people thought to have terrorist intentions or contacts. These agencies gave the list to the TSA and the commercial airlines. 60 Minutes got one copy of the list: It was 540 pages long. That list of people to be taken aside for extra screening had 75,000 names on it.

The more stringent "no-fly list" had 45,000 names; before 9/11 there were just 16 names. The list is so secret that even Congresspeople have been prevented from looking at it. People on the list endure searches that can last for hours. One American citizen, Robert Johnson, described "the humiliation factor" of being strip-searched: "I had to take off my pants. I had to take off my sneakers, then I had to take off my socks. I was treated like a criminal." Donna Bucella, who was at that time head of the FBI program that oversaw the list, told 60 Minutes, "Well, Robert Johnson will never get off the list."

On December 6, 2006, Democrats in Congress tried to find out more about recent reports that the Department of Homeland Security "was using a scoring system" that rated the dangers posed by people crossing American borders. The Democrats were worried that these lists did not simply keep people from flying-they could keep them from getting jobs as well.

According to the New York Times, Vermont Senator Patrick J. Leahy said that "the program and broader government data-mining efforts could make it more difficult for innocent Americans to travel or to get a job -- without giving them the chance to know why they were labeled a security risk." So now there is not just the anxiety that you might be detained-you could also, if you are on certain secret lists, be turned down for a job and never know why.

Being on the list can get also get some people detained and tortured -- although they are innocent.

Maher Arar is a Canadian citizen, a software consultant, husband, and father -- a North American yuppie. The United States detained Arar when he was changing planes at Kennedy Airport in 2002. He was "rendered" to Syria. Security forces there kept him in prison for over a year, beating him repeatedly with a heavy metal cable. The Canadian government pursued a two-year investigation and concluded that it had all been a terrible mistake -- Arar actually had no ties to terrorists whatsoever. Canadians were so appalled by this miscarriage of justice that the head of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police resigned. After he was released with his government's help, Arar, emboldened perhaps by living in a working North American democracy, sued the U.S. government.

The Bush administration refused to concede that it had been wrong; refused to provide documents or witnesses to the Canadian investigators; and finally announced in January 2007 that they had "secret information" that justified keeping Arar on the list.

So Arar, a North American citizen like you or me, has to live in fear, perhaps for the rest of his life (his CCR lawyer says he suffers from post-traumatic stress): Arar turns down offers to receive honors overseas, for whenever he travels -- if he dares to -- over borders, he fears being taken off the plane or train, shipped to another country and subjected to torture again.

Making it more difficult for people out of favor with the state to travel back and forth across borders is a classic part of the fascist playbook. As Nazi Germany closed down, borders tightened and families fleeing internment were traumatized by the uncertainties that they knew they faced at the borders. When reporter Timothy Garton Ash published essays that offended the Stasi, he was forbidden to re-enter the GDR. The United States has recently been refusing visas to various respected Muslim scholars from universities such as Oxford -- scholars with no ties whatsoever to terrorists -- because they have been critical of U.S. policy. This has happened before in America: in the 1950s the FBI confiscated the passports of intellectuals and journalists who had been critical of anticommunist witch hunts.

William Shirer described the tension of airport searches of suspect individuals -- reporters -- in Berlin in 1938:

Hans Kaltenborn, our star foreign news commentator, was turned back by the secret police when he arrived at Tempelhof [airport] from London this afternoon. ... I became suspicious when the passport officials continued to hold him after all the other passengers had been cleared. ... [Kaltenborn's] German relatives, who were exposing themselves to possible arrest by merely being there, remained bravely at the rail. I finally complained to a Gestapo man about keeping us standing so long. ... [A] Gestapo officer came up and announced that Hans would be taking the six o'clock plane back to London.
"Why, he's just come from there," I spoke up.
"And he's returning there now," the officer said.
"May I ask why?" Hans said, boiling inside but cool outside, though beads of sweat bubbled out on his forehead.
The officer had a ready answer: Looking in his notebook, he said with tremendous seriousness: "Herr Kaltenborn, on such and such a date in Oklahoma City, you made a speech insulting the Furhrer."
"Let me see the text of that, please," Hans spoke up. But you do not argue with the Gestapo. ... Hans was hustled out. ... Then he disappeared.
Are the cases we hear of Americans being caught up in detention, searches, and releases merely Homeland Security or TSA zealotry? Or are the stories effective PR about a new reality? Fascist propagandists target individuals, detain and release them, and then publicize the stories. Could all these -- Bensman the fish defender and Cat Stevens the balladeer and the little elderly nun and the lady peace activists -- be victims not of simple clumsiness but, rather, examples of the fact that perfectly ordinary Americans can now get entangled in the increasingly punitive apparatus of the state?

Could what happened to Maher Arar happen to a U.S. citizen? Chaplain James Yee was arrested and investigated on suspicion of "espionage and possibly treason" on September 10, 2003. It is not widely reported that he had also spoken up on behalf of better treatment for the detainees in Guantánamo. Military officials claimed that Yee had classified documents that included diagrams of cells at Guantánamo and lists of detainees. He was also said to have "ties to [radical Muslims in the U.S.]."

Chaplain Yee was taken to a navy brig in Charleston, South Carolina, and interrogated. He was blindfolded; his ears were blocked; he was manacled and then put into solitary confinement for seventy-six days; forbidden mail, television, or anything to read except the Koran. His family was not allowed to visit him. He was demonized on TV, radio, and the Internet and accused of being an operative in "a supposed spy ring that aimed to pass secrets to al- Qaeda from suspected terrorists held at Guantánamo. ... Court papers said he would be charged with espionage, spying, aiding the enemy, mutiny or sedition, and disobeying an order." Chaplain Yee, born in New Jersey and raised a Lutheran before he converted to Islam, was baffled at the accusations. His lawyers were told he could face execution.Within six months, the U.S. government had dropped all criminal charges against Yee. But the government said it did so to avoid making its sensitive evidence public, not because Yee is innocent.

Yee was released -- but charged with what looked like punitive "Mickey Mouse" charges: "adultery, lying to investigators and two counts of downloading porn." In the presence of his humiliated wife and his four-year-old daughter, military prosecutors compelled Navy Lt . Karyn Wallace to testify about their extramarital affair. The military rarely prosecutes adultery. The government never presented the evidence on which it based its first accusations against Yee. But after Yee was set free, he was placed "under a new Army order not to talk about his ordeal in any way that might be seen as critical to the military." If he says anything negative about what happened to him, he faces further prosecution.

(In 2007, Lieutenant Colonel William H. Steele, who like Chaplain Yee has spoken up for a more humane situation for the detainees, would also find himself accused of "aiding the enemy," for various charges, and facing possible execution.)

So in Yee's case a United States citizen innocent of the initial charges was kept in solitary confinement, this time for 76 days. His name was destroyed, his family humiliated-and he can't talk about it or he will be arrested again.

On July 24, 2006, Chaplain Yee said he had been detained once again, this time at the Canadian border as he was trying to come home after a trip to Vancouver to see a performance. Yee was questioned for two hours. You can imagine how that "Come with us" might have felt.

In Germany, by 1933, arbitrary arrest and release was common. On November, 27, 1938, two police officers came to Victor Klemperer's house to search for weapons. As they ransacked the possessions of the two middle-aged German Jews, Mrs. Klemperer made the mistake of asking them not to go through the linen cupboard with unwashed hands. Professor Klemperer was taken into custody and released: "[A]t four o'clock I was on the street with the curious feeling, free-but for how long?" (In 1941, Klemperer would spend eight days in prison for forgetting to close the curtains on his windows for the blackout.)

The charges against those taken into custody and then released were often vague and uncontestable. In a survey of German citizens who had lived through that era, 36 percent reported having been arrested, questioned, and released. A well-known Cologne priest who was outspoken about the Nazis was arrested and released repeatedly. As the 1930s progressed hundreds of thousands of German citizens were arbitrarily detained and released. General Pinochet used this tactic too: Every so often the military would enter a slum, arrest people in random sweeps, keep them behind bars briefly, and then let them go. The only real reason was to intimidate the population.




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Welcome, to the NEW WORLD ORDER
Posted by: mizipi on Sep 13, 2007 1:27 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Pres. Bush #1 spoke of this and his son is implementing the "new" freedom and democracy that our soldiers die for.

Didn't Hitler claim to be a Christian?

Don't declare your independence. Don't think that the constitution is anything more than a piece of fiction. In today's America, kissing the asses of the aristocrats and their political minions is the 'only way to fly.'

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» RE: Hitler WAS a Catholic... Posted by: ShrubtheWarcriminal
» RE: Hitler WAS a Catholic... Posted by: Schroeder
Why a 'No Fly' list?
Posted by: borat99 on Sep 13, 2007 3:16 AM   
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Hey, what's the government's problem with flies? Yeah, they're a nuisance, but hey, it's not like they're mosquitoes. Man, governments, can't live with them, can live without them ;-)

"The cause of liberty becomes a mockery if the price to be paid is the wholesale destruction of those who are to enjoy liberty."
-- Gandhi

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» EMILY LITELLA LIVES!! Posted by: smendler
USAF on no fly this Friday and where is Missing Nuke #6?
Posted by: Setnakt on Sep 13, 2007 3:57 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I know this is unrealted but why the hell is no on talking about this? The biggest story of the year, perhapes ever!

9-11-2007- WHAT'S GOING ON?

By Carol Wolman

Going into Labor Day weekend, there were lots of rumors anticipating a
false flag operation, another 9-11. Trainloads of armored vehicles
rolled into Houston. The San Francisco Bay bridge closed for three days.
Suspicious activity was reported on ferries in Puget Sound. Ominous
civil defense exercises are being held in Oregon, as part of Operation
Noble Resolve, which also involves military jets flying over New York.
An antiaircraft division is ordered to Washington DC.

We made it through the holiday safely.

Then last Wednesday, Congressman Paul Gillmor (R-OH) was found dead in
his home. This was reported as a heart attack, until word leaked out
that he had blunt trauma to the head and neck.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20649320/ Now we're being told he fell down
the stairs. Gillmor was investigating a series of option trades that are
suspicious- someone is betting billions of dollars that the market will
fall 50% by September 21st. Even with the housing crisis, it would take
a major catastrophe, like a "terrorist" attack, to precipitate such a
plunge. As part of his job on the House Finance Committee, Gillmor was
investigating this deal. Was he murdered because he was about to reveal
something?

Would this death, on top of the deaths of Senators Wellstone and
Carnahan, and the anthraxing of Senators Daschle and Leahy, have a
chilling effect on people in Congress? Maybe that's why they're
"spineless".

Now we learn that on August 30th, six nuclear warheads were
"accidentally" shipped by B-52 from Minot Air Force Base in North Dakota
to Barksdale Air Force Base in Louisiana. (Five arrived, did one get
"lost"? Or is someone unable to count?) This violates all military
procedure, which requires that nuclear weapons always be shipped on the
ground in the continental US, so that if there's an accident, a bomb
detonation won't occur. It would take an order from the
Commander-in-Chief to put nukes on a plane.

The warheads were reportedly fastened to cruise missiles, which have a
range of 1500-2000 miles. Not enough to cross the Atlantic, but enough
to hit cities in the US as part of a false flag operation. This scenario
is being claimed by "military investigators" on the Hal Turner show, and
is making its way around the internet. It's being said the plan was to
hit 5 American cities with nuclear weapons over Labor Day weekend in
order to install martial law. If so, we have been saved by the grace of
God, operating through loyal American whistleblowers, who made the
"accidental shipment" of nuclear warheads public.

Now we are told that the entire Air Force will stand down on September
14th, for overhaul and review of procedures.
http://www.airforcetimes.com/news/2007/09/
(Broken by Alternet)
airforce_aircombatcommand_standdown_070807/
Our skies will be unguarded for a day, and our vulnerability has been
announced to the whole world. It's an open invitation to America's
enemies to attack us. The last stand-down, unannounced ahead of time,
took place on Sept 11, 2001. What's planned for Sept. 14th, 2007? Oddly
enough, El Al, the Israeli airline, will not be flying planes that day
either.

What is going on? One of my most anti-conspiracy friends says he
believes it's a giant conspiracy. What do you think? and how can we nip
it in the bud?
(Continued..)

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happy to know I'm on the list...
Posted by: ellie on Sep 13, 2007 4:01 AM   
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every time I fly, I go through the same thing, but do have a copy of my official 'political agitator' file from years ago... funny thing is that every time I request a copy of the file, more and more of the old stuff is blacked out, but there are few if any entries in 30 years... hey, I use a copy of the original face page and the latest face page for comparison when I teach a 101 class as a powerpoint slide no less... last time I requested a copy I was told no more copies because of 'national security' in a nice way...

last time I flew, they even went after my medical assistance dog, squeezed and patted him down, all 100 lbs of indignant elderly fur, and he left a 'deposit' on the floor for them as a political statement, no I walked away and didn't clean it up...

been doing mail ping pong with the state department for almost a year over my passport renewal...

nice to know TSA is on their toes after an older lady who is an academic with her elderly medical assistance dog... gee, I'm still a thorn in the governmental side after all these years, I do feel so loved...

the thing that makes them nuts at the airport is that I've flipped the situation on them so many times, that I act like I'm a celebrity and don't react with indignation or anger and that drives them crazy!!!

yes, I do leave a network of info and assorted people knowing my whereabouts every time I go somewhere as a safety measure...

now, where's my renewed passport?????

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» You go, girl. Posted by: orwellwasn'tdreaming
I'm not on the list yet - I have to work harder, I guess
Posted by: smendler on Sep 13, 2007 6:04 AM   
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A recent trip to the UK and back passed by without incident -- I guess I have to work harder to get the notice of the Powers That Be... and I have to admit I wimped out, I considered wearing my "IMPEACH HIM!" button when coming back thru US Customs but thought better of it, so I guess it's my own damn fault...

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Adolph
Posted by: paschn on Sep 13, 2007 6:50 AM   
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Bush et al are goose-stepping this "fine" country into a spot that will eventually take it down. Of course, the elite don't give a damn,...they'll simply jump flights provided by Adolph Bush to spirit them away to their own private resort country complete with AIPAC offices....Dubai. Now, I'm not saying you drones DESERVE it,.....but you are with out a doubt ASKING for it.

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ALL Roads Lead to Tel Aviv
Posted by: wawa on Sep 13, 2007 7:24 AM   
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I have no problem traveling in USA, but I have been stripped searched twice at Ben Gurion Airport.

When I flew home this last July, I told 'security' everywhere I have been; Jenin, Ramllah, Bil'in, Bethlehem; Occupied Territory!

I handed out my WAWA cards and encouraged them to read my reports [July 13th through the August 5th WAWA Blog]

Before my trip Israel had been in 12th place out of 70+ countries who visit WAWA daily.

They have been in 3rd-4th place ever since!

Big Brother in USA: Military and Government are also considered countries and they have been in top 20 ever since i gave 'birth' to WAWA in July 2005 after my first of five trips to occupied territory.


"You shall know the truth and the truth will set you free."
John 8:32

Eileen Fleming,
Reporter and Editor http://www.wearewideawake.org/
Author "Keep Hope Alive" and "Memoirs of a Nice Irish American 'Girl's' Life in Occupied Territory"
Producer "30 Minutes With Vanunu."

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Aldous Huxley was on the money
Posted by: ld7440 on Sep 13, 2007 7:28 AM   
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Welcome to "Brave New World". I've known for a long time that we are not living in a democracy. The "suicides" of prominent politicians, Presidential assassinations, watch lists - these are common fascist tools. This is the power that the wealthy autocrats feel they have, to dictate our actions. But they can't control our thoughts. We have many avenues of expression, this site being one of them. We must to continue to educate people about governmental atrocities. Knowledge is power.

I don't really fly - I hate planes and airports - even more so now. My hope is to move towards self-sufficiency - working from home, growing my own food, eliminating debt - because at some point, the U.S.'s fascist system - like all empires before it - will come crashing down. Actions always have consequences.

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All Heil The Security Of The Homeland!
Posted by: InsertNameHere on Sep 13, 2007 7:58 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
The only difference between Hitler and George W Bush is that Hitler was actually elected.

Vonnegut

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» Cute, Cute ... but not true Posted by: BenCaxton12
» RE: Cute, Cute ... but not true Posted by: InsertNameHere
» 'So-called Liberals' ... hmmm Posted by: BenCaxton12
» RE: 'So-called Liberals' ... hmmm Posted by: InsertNameHere
» RE: Cute, Cute ... but not true Posted by: SatanicJamboree
Bush family clear and present danger, in the air or on the ground..!
Posted by: TJ-stars4peace on Sep 13, 2007 8:47 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
With all their contacts with the bin-Laden family and the Saudi's who slaughtered us on 9/11 including Bush 41 meeting with a bin-Laden the day before at the Ritz hotel...

Then Prescott Bush helping the Nazi's even into 1941 and 1942 while America was fighting for it's very existence against Germany and His attempting to overthrow FDR, and establish a fascist state here in America, and then Neil Bush meeting with the shooter of President Reagan the day before Reagan was shot, and George H.W. Bush being in Dallas when JFK was shot ...

If anyone in America should be on the no fly list it's the entire Bush family..

Am I wrong..?

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Beth
Posted by: BK on Sep 13, 2007 8:48 AM   
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I think we are on the same list! I did nothing so bold as you did to get there. I simply married an Iranian and made a few visits to my in-laws. The airport in Iran is a dream compared to the U.S., no problems whatsoever, very kind. A recent trip to the U.S. I had a TSA look at me snarkily and say "You've certainly been around, haven't you?!" I said, I've traveled a little, is that a crime? She snorted at me and gave me and my bags a thorough, and messy search. Am living in Iran now (temporarily, leaving in a few weeks)and dread the trip home...today I am nervous...but I feel it turning to fear. Isn't it something for an American to feel safe in Iran and to fear going to he U.S?

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It's easy to get on the "4S" list
Posted by: sarahk on Sep 13, 2007 9:05 AM   
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My husband and I have ended up on the "4S" list because I have a habit of writing to elected officials and government departments when I disagree with a policy. I have always made a point to be very polite and keep to a specific point without diverging into insults, but I think that we have ended up on the list because my views are obviously progressive with a focus on human rights. Some past letters were about releasing the teenage boys held for a few years at Guantanemo, and stopping the CIA "black" prisons in Afghanistan and Iraq. I only use information from the mainstream press articles (New Yorker, NYTimes, Vanity Fair, ect) when making my points in the letters, and I cite those articles when making my points.
Thinking about it, I realize that I have not written any letters in a while because I am afraid of being moved from the "4S" list to the DoNotFly list. That would be a huge problem for us, but I hate feeling muzzled.
For now, I will continue to enjoy chatting with my fellow "4S" travelers as we wait in line. Usually, it is just my husband and me with lots of people who are FWM (flying while muslim).

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TSA Nonsense
Posted by: frank69 on Sep 13, 2007 12:15 PM   
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Don't forget to take your shoes off! Are we all Richard Reid's now? It's absurd!

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And now, a Number Six bedtime story!
Posted by: NumberSix on Sep 13, 2007 2:34 PM   
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Once upon a time, there was Tom. Tom was a defiant liberal type, who sent a load of emails bitching about how his nation had turned into a load of poo. Bitch, Tom, bitch.

Well, this bitching caught up to Tom, you see. Tom was going to fly to Florida to visit some friends. He parked his car, pocketed his ticket, drug his bags into the airport, and to the counter he went. He presented his ID, his tickets, and over comes Mister Gestapo.

Mister Gestapo then informs Tom he is on this no-fly list and must now leave the airport. Poor Tom, and he was never told this! Angry, Tom went home. On the way home, Tom stopped for gas and ran into his neighbor, Dave. Dave saw Tom was most ill. Dave then laughed!

"Tom, I've got the Skylane this weekend. You cut in some gas, you can ride with me!"

So, early Saturday morning, Tom parks his car in the grass next to the hangar. Dave fuels, checks the weather, checks his GPS, bags are thrown into the backseat. The Lycoming coughs, the constant-speed prop purrs to life. Up, up and away they go!

This puzzles Tom. He explains his dilemma to Dave. Dave shrugs and lights up a Winston, offering Tom one.

"Yeah, we've noticed it. Weird, y'know? All this talk about airport security. Did you see any Gestapo? Or dogs? And hey, no kid behind you kicking your seat!"

Tom and Dave touch down, taxi and tie down the plane. Tom gets a rental car and they go and do stuff, even some fishing. Sunday, they fly home.....undisturbed.

"I still don't get it. I mean, couldn't those weird creeps attack something in one of these?", Tom asks.

"Yep.", Dave nods. "But, Washington is full of idiots. Most can't find their ass with either hand. They're convinced that pissing off the public is the way to go."

So, Tom learned a neat thing. Dave can take him about anywhere. All he has to do is ask.

See, the moral to this story? Washington is stupid beyond words. They won't touch general aviation, thinking that Al Quacko wouldn't use small planes for terror work. So, banned persons like Tom still get to fly............any damned ways.

And yes, this a true story. I happen to know Tom. He's loving flying small planes. "Okay, it's slower, but, it's nicer, oh, yes!"

Tom is so smart. Washington is so dumb. Dumb, Washington, so dumb.

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» I know that story, Posted by: orwellwasn'tdreaming
I'm on the list
Posted by: eltiki on Sep 13, 2007 2:57 PM   
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Like Wolf, I found out I was on the "list" because I noticed that all of a sudden I couldn't print boarding passes online, use the quick check-in kiosks or check-in curbside anymore. I though it was an issue with my preferred airline's security procedures, but when I used a different airline I had the same problem. So I asked the nice lady why I couldn't check in online and she told me I was "one of the these guys." She then handed me a letter from the Dept. of Homeland Security explaining that I was on the watch list and that per a Congressional oversight law, I had a right to appeal.

So appeal I did. I got a letter back from Homeland Security stating that per my request my file had been reviewed and changes had been made, but there was no mention of whether or not I was removed from the list. For all I know the only thing they changed was the updated address I sent them.

Turns out that I continue to be on the list. I live in Europe now and every time I return to the states I get detained. The last time it was with my one month old infant daughter and my wife. I've been reluctant to say anything publicly because I do not want to exacerbate the situation, but the truth is I that I have never broken any laws, I have no connections whatsoever to anything remotely related to terrorism, and I'm a nonviolent Buddhist. I have been an a vocal and active antiwar critic for over 20 years, so I suppose this is what it's all about. My honest feelings about the situation is that I'm heart broken. I grew up believing that I'm entitled to certain rights, and that being able to freely express my opinions was what makes a democracy healthy and strong. If this no-fly and watch list is being used to club critics over the head, then it is pure hypocrisy, it is a sham of a policy, and the government employees in charge of maintaining it should be embarrassed by their actions because they've been had. They have been asked to protect their country, and now they are being used to cover the asses of doomed and failed individuals who gutlessly destroy peoples lives to fight their wars while commanding from behind the wall of a mobile police state. I hope to god this message is getting sucked up by the NSA Internet spy machine and will eventually be read by a human with a real heart who will intuitively understand the tragedy of this situation. I'm sick to death about this, and wonder if I can ever really feel safe in my homeland again, not because of a threat by some foreign enemy, but from a government that lost its conscience and soul.

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» RE: I'm on the list Posted by: mombot
This Law Is Causing More Than Inconvenience To Passengers
Posted by: Nedtheredhead on Sep 13, 2007 4:58 PM   
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According to a recent media report I read here in Aussie, flights to and from the US have been seriously reduced since 9/11.
A similar story posted similar results at the BBC concerning Brits and Europeans generally flying to and from the US.
Complaint of people being detained, the case of Cat Stevens being a story that had a very serious effect on British Muslims travelling to, from, or through the US, are reportedly on the increase.
This then means that aircraft, particularly ones owned by American companies, are not bringing in the money necessary for the very thorough checks each aircraft needs before flying. Incidents of faulty aircraft, due to poor maintenance, is on the increase, according to some non American analysts, and here in Australia, a number of Universities and academic centres have recommended Australians only fly with non US companies wherever possible.
The whole idea of terrorism is to bring a country to it's knees. It takes a very special Administration, with a cluey leader, to be able to keep the country going, without its security measures seriously effecting the economy.
Europe, particularly Britain, are successfully doing it.
What George has done has perfectly fitted into the plans of the terrorists.
Lock down the country and fill it's citizens with fear, and just like fire-ants, that country starts attacking its own, while the invader, merrily stirring from the sideline, laugh with glee.

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And you don't even have to be 18
Posted by: jcabraham on Sep 13, 2007 5:05 PM   
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About five years ago my wife and I tried to e-check-in at the airport and were directed to a ticket agent. She took our three tickets (mine, my wife's, and my son's, who was two years old at the time), looked at her computer and asked: "which one's Henry?"

We pointed at the floor, where Henry was toddling around.

"He's on the watch list" she said.

"Um, what?"

It took 30 minutes of telephone calls before the ticket agent convinced the person on the other end that the suspect was a TWO YEAR OLD, a fact easily verifiable by his social security number. In fact, we said:

"Can't you tell he's only two, by his SSN?"

"It doesn't go by SSN, only by name"

For years we were hassled at the airport because of our son. Whenever we asked why he was on the watch list, we were told "Can't tell you." When we asked how we could get him off, we were told (confidentially) that there's no way to get off it, since you're not allowed to know any of the details.

So this went on for years, UNTIL we started booking his tickets using his MIDDLE NAME. This apparently is enough to make him a different person to the geniuses who designed the system. Probably you know who could book a ticket in the name of "Fred bin Laden" and have no trouble.

Eventually my son's youth will be insufficient to protect him from the government, and I will have to hire an immigration lawyer (or whoever might know anything about this), to try to get him removed.

Thuggish, yet incompetent. That's what our government has become. God bless America.

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» RE: And you don't even have to be 18 Posted by: Nedtheredhead
» RE: And you don't even have to be 18 Posted by: Nedtheredhead
too poor to fly...
Posted by: DaBear on Sep 14, 2007 1:17 AM   
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Sheesh, I never thought I'd have a reason to be happy I'm too poor to fly.

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» RE: too poor to fly... Posted by: Constitutionalist75
This is the first assault, the first step
Posted by: Ian MacLeod on Sep 14, 2007 12:47 PM   
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Take a look at the plans of Israeli leaders since the beginning for “pacifying” the Palestinians: routine cruelty, no right NOT to be hassled at any time by anyone in any kind of authority, vulnerable to arrest and a cruel detention at any time without charges, representation or any promise of EVER being released, etc. That’s what this is: it is training the American people to expect this type of treatment from their government, to believe that the government has the authority to do any damned thing they want to anyone at any time. We’re being conditioned to live under a totalitarian state, that exercises it’s power against us on a whim, to believe that we have no rights and no recourse. This has to be fought by EVERYONE, at every attempt! If it ins’t we can count on the real thing – as soon as the government feels insecure in their hold over us. We need to be ready for that too. We have to reject martial law, reject the illegal “laws” and unconstitutional EOs that were made to give the President these illegal, unethical and immoral powers! Call your representative, your senator, make sure s/he understands: this is intolerable, and it is the wedge of an assault we cannot afford to lose!

Ian

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Caesar77
Posted by: Caesar77 on Sep 15, 2007 2:30 AM   
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While the American people are being feed a steady diet of Paris Hilton, Britanny Spears and all the other 'bullshit' by the mainstream media, the Lunatic-in-chief ( Bush ) is stealing our freedom. The terrorists have won; the morons in Washington have done their work.

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» RE: Caesar77 Posted by: kewpie
Americans Are Scared Stupid
Posted by: maggzilla on Sep 16, 2007 7:51 PM   
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The comments I have read, are mostly, hilarious well because they aren't happening to me. I am laughing thinking have we really gone this far? I just could not help but think that Americans have become stupid with fear of things that might potencially happen--when most of us will likely die of old age or an accident! I hope we pull out of it. I like my freedoms.

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» Americans are in denial.... Posted by: Zed1961
Kathleen
Posted by: KPelley on Sep 19, 2007 3:08 PM   
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I flew to Maui with my husband from Oakland CA. My husband, a retired peace officer, and I have different last names. On the way there and on the way back, I was pulled out. The strange part is that leaving Oakland my husband accidentally carried on a pocket knife [they were not allowed then] and they did not even ask him to remove it, but they pulled me out for special checking. In Maui, I asked why I was pulled out--the staff said it was because of the grommets on my jeans. My husband was also wearing jeans with grommets. Yes, I have been involved in the antiwar movement and will continue to be.

I have not flown since, so do not know if I still remain on the "list", but I did not relish that experience. Fortunately, I do not have to fly for work because I am now retired, but I still retain a creepy feeling about those two incidents.

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Yes, I'm on "the list"
Posted by: thejanet2 on Sep 19, 2007 4:42 PM   
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The first time I was the "random searchee" I didn't think much about it, after all, someone has to be it. The next flight I was also the random searchee, and I thought how lucky I am to get picked twice in a row. The novelty wore off as I was ALWAYS the random searchee for a period of time running from winter 2002 through spring of '04. I had flown a lot during that time, a lot of international flights and a lot of flights with multiple "legs" (or flights to a hub city, then to another hub city, then to my destination)... The trips that included three or four flights each way got extremely tedious, being pulled out and searched each time. I did notice that some of the time my boarding ticket got marked with red marker by the pre-screener, and once when I asked "why me?" the TSA worker explained it was because I had a red mark on my boarding pass.

The first flight I was NOT the random searchee was sometime in the fall of 2004, my husband remarked I must be out of "time out" now. I enjoyed what I'd always considered a right for a while and then thought I had gone slack during a period of ill health and it was not a good thing to get dropped from The List.

I'm happy to report I'm back on The List now, although each time I get pulled out of line it gets more scary. I won't stop flying, I refuse to let the bastards win that way. But it scares me more and more.

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Lady peace activists
Posted by: armswideopen on Sep 19, 2007 9:27 PM   
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Good article, but I cringed at "lady peace activists" - why not just peace activists? Was "lady" added to render them more harmless somehow? Annoying use of language.

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The LIST!
Posted by: kewpie on Sep 20, 2007 11:30 AM   
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Before I left for New Orleans, my friend told me that her daughter was harrassed in the airport everytime she travels. It gave me pause. As I came into the tiny airport the TSA decided to throughly check my bags, not once but twice. They came close to strip searching me. Another passenger told me not to question TSA or I may not make it to the plane. Another passenger from Los Angelos commented that he never saw anything like that at LAX.
When I left New Orleans airport to return home, my bags had the tag in that TSA had checked them,once.
I do not know if what I went through was routine, or if I am on a list. How does one find out?

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» RE: The LIST! Posted by: Tonya
» RE: The LIST! Posted by: thejanet2
my husband is on the no-fly list
Posted by: Tonya on Sep 20, 2007 12:41 PM   
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which has really interfered with his job which involves a lot of travel. He has also been denied new credit cards, and getting approved for a mortgage we had to jump thru extra hoops. Sometimes when he talks about it he lowers his voice as if we are being bugged.
When I wore a shirt that said "The Patriot Act is unpatriotic" to the airport, he pretended we were not together when we went thru security. The irony was that the TSA supervisor made a point of telling me that he agreed with me. I knew I was taking a risk but not being on the list myself it was less of a risk than otherwise.
He has a very common name, and apparently there is not only a wanted (regular) criminal with that name but a suspected terrorist. I don't know how they can target everyone with that name though, can't they distinguish people by birthdate, height, middle name, etc?

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» I am not a terrorist! Posted by: thejanet2
Here's a suggestion....
Posted by: JoeAlterNet on Oct 12, 2007 9:40 AM   
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here's an interesting set of circumstances....

What if enough individuals on the No-fly list or with S's attached to their name fly on the same flight or series of flights; again, and again, and again...

Although, you're all aware of being pulled aside to be detained, searched, whatever; the agents conducting the searches do not. How happy will they be when they have to search 400, 500, 1,000+ individuals in a row. Hey, you can even show up extra early; say 1,3, or 5 hours early.

So at the moment you cannot be taken off the list. It's possible to slow up a process and system to the point where change must happen to address correcting things. In fact, why Congress hasn't created or changed existing laws to correct this issue is beyond me.

One positive hope; there is a flow and ebb when it comes to bad leaders and governments. History shows there is a consistency in that they all get overthrown eventually and replaced with something more tolerable. Then civilizations wash, rinse, and repeat the cycle all over again.

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