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A Journey into the Redneck State of Mind

By John MacCormack, Texas Observer. Posted September 14, 2007.


Beyond the heavy drinking and blue collar rowdiness, what exactly makes a redneck in this enlightened age? A visit to the Texas Redneck Games offers some answers.

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On a remote East Texas ranch, surrounded by thousands of rowdy Southern whites, many drinking heavily and driving all-terrain vehicles at eye-popping speeds, the young German confronted images of mayhem and depravity. Flula Borg, a tall, curly haired musician, was an accidental visitor to the Texas Redneck Games outside Athens in early August. He came as part of a Los Angeles film crew keen on recording a bit of the backwoods revelry.

The 26-year-old Borg's only preparation for the resulting cultural collision had come in Germany, first from watching popular American shows like the "The Dukes of Hazzard" as a child, later from grown-up movies that cast rural Southern whites in a far harsher light.

With a goodly number of Confederate flags flying, crude signs asking women to disrobe, and the occasional "White Pride" tattoo on a sallow chest, the event's early signs were unsettling. "They seem friendly. I was a little scared. You see movies. You think they'll be loud, throwing people around," Borg said shortly after arriving, still feeling conspicuous as a foreigner. Having a tall, black cameraman with flowing dreadlocks in his group only added to Borg's anxiety.

"I was worried they'd be racist. I'm worried because I don't have tattoos and everyone else is wearing wife-beaters," he confided early that Saturday morning. Hours later, after viewing various gross and silly contests, including some that resemble ancient rites of public humiliation, and competing in the mattress chunk (taking third place), Borg had relaxed.

"Wow, it's crazy. It feels a little like a movie. I don't know anything like this in Germany," he said with open amazement.

As midnight approached that roasting Saturday, the fourth annual edition of the games staggered toward a rowdy, wasted crescendo. Half-clothed women screamed and threw panties at Kevin Fowler and his band on stage while sunburned, mud-flecked men, buoyed on beer and carnal impulses, bellowed out indelicate propositions.

Lost in the roiling, fetid scrum were the guys in black T-shirts from "Girls Gone Wild," who had spent much of the day recording half-drunk blondes in unclothed poses.

"It was a mob. Lots of beer-drinking. Lots of hell-raising. Girls on guy's shoulders, lots of them without shirts. I saw a couple of naked women driving ATVs. It was better than a titty bar," laughed Patrick Holt, 40, a Fort Worth computer programmer with deep redneck roots.

With his head wrapped in a Confederate-flag bandana and wearing a shirt that read, "Loud Pipes, Longnecks and Loose Women. Everything Else is Just Bullshit," Holt could have written the game's dress code. While many of the thousands at the four-day event on a sprawling 3,000-acre ranch came to race ATVs on the backwoods trails, others wanted the chance to turn loose their inner redneck animal.

"As long as we're out of harm's way, we're not hurting anyone, and we're having fun. Life is short," Holt said later. "I didn't see too much bad stuff. There was one guy who got way too drunk, fell off his ATV, and gashed his head open. When people tried to help him, he freaked out and started swinging. When security came, he ran, and they had to tackle him."

Beyond the gimme caps, heavy drinking, and blue-collar rowdiness, exactly what makes a redneck in this enlightened age?

"It's hard to explain. It's like the opposite of an Aggie," said Mike Maxwell, a welder from Longview who spent the lost weekend in Athens throwing strings of cheap beads at passing women.

While the etymology of the word redneck is not clear--it stems either from the sunburned necks of hardworking Southern whites or, more remotely, from red scarves worn centuries ago by rebel Scots unwilling to accept the Anglican Church--until recently it held little ambiguity. Redneck meant lowdown, poor, shifty, ignorant, bigoted, and hopelessly sorry.

In 1974, Larry L. King wrote a lengthy piece for Texas Monthly reliving his harsh, redneck upbringing in rural Texas and disabusing anyone of the notion there was anything remotely attractive or glamorous about any of it.

"Of late, the Redneck has been wildly romanticized; somehow he threatens to become a cultural hero," wrote King, who grew up hard-working poor in Eastland County and then moved to Midland to continue as working poor.

"Perhaps this is because heroes are in short supply in these Watergate years, or maybe it's a manifestation of our urge to return to simpler times," he mused, harking back to a bygone time free of computers, crooked politicians, and urban tangle. Then he rejected the popular concept.

"Attempts to deify the Redneck, to represent his lifestyle as close to that of the noble savage, are, at best, unreal and naïve," he wrote, going on to analyze the redneck as a hapless creature worthy only of pity and avoidance.


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Veteran Texas journalist John MacCormack is a reporter for the San Antonio Express-News.

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A Flag Worth Burning
Posted by: Urstrly on Sep 14, 2007 4:26 AM   
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As someone descended from at least one Confederate soldier, I can't work up much enthusiasm for any gathering that celebrates under the Stars and Bars. I'm not even sure what scholars of the redneck way are defending—the right to defy liquor laws? the right to degrade women and encourage them to degrade themselves? the right to drive dangerously? Certainly it's no crime to be white and poor, but long after the Civil War, the South was burdened with an economy that trailed the rest of the nation because it rejected organized labor, defied civil rights laws, and tolerated a tax structure that overcompensated the wealthy and left it with substandard public schools. Maybe it's time to sober up and face the music and burn that flag.

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» Know your neighbor Posted by: Conservasaurus
» Exactly! Posted by: sausage
» RE: A Flag Worth Burning Posted by: YogiBear
4.1
Posted by: kepstein7777 on Sep 14, 2007 4:34 AM   
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It sounds more like a Renaissance Fair, which takes the romantic, adrenaline-pumping, mythical aspects, and leaves out all the horrible diseases, abuse of the peasantry, religious persecution, and other dull or depressing realities of the era.

Some of the appeal of an idealized Redneck lifestyle, I think, is the idea of an escape from Political Correctness and moral conventions telling you that you should be a boring, clean-cut, wimpy soccer dad with a boring office job, a plastic house in a cul-de-sac, and 2.5 kids who sit inside and play video games all day...and that you're not supposed to like motorcycles, guns, fatty/carby foods, and beer babes. Nothing new, really, as the author from the 70s points out.

It all seems pretty harmless by itself. The darker aspects of the Redneck life, like wife-beating, inbreeding, n*****-hating, molesting canoe tourists, etc. will be ignored for the most part, because they have more to do with reality, because they're bad publicity, and because they raise insurance rates.

I expect to see more of these fantasy theme events, where ordinary, boring people can participate in an idealized version of some stereotypical character or era. It may sound cheesy and pathetic, but if you're looking for a good growth investment, put your money into ACME Theme Fairs. But remember, past performance does not necessarily predict future returns.

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» It's a recurring pattern Posted by: LMNOP
» Amen. Remember Westworld Posted by: Ignatz deFyre
Way to go Alternet!
Posted by: Illiteratilumen on Sep 14, 2007 4:39 AM   
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Gems like this article will do wonders to win southern conservatives over to your progressive cause. I suppose we'll see an article tomorrow exploring the depravities of Mexican-American culture followed by an expose of the excesses of urban minorities. Maybe next week there will be a scathing report of aberrant behavior on the campuses of far-left colleges like Oberlin or Berkley.

What the hell was the point of this article? You can find drunken idiots gathering by the thousands all over the country for all manner of irrelevant reasons.

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Sounds a lot like Woodstock
Posted by: hagwind on Sep 14, 2007 5:55 AM   
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With more motor vehicles for sure, and beer substituted for pot, hash, and acid.

"Counterculture" is by definition reactionary: it's a reaction against whatever is perceived as mainstream culture. What's "mainstream"? Whatever you want to rebel against! It is a bit disconcerting to read of the young black woman who isn't bothered by all the Confederate flags -- at least until I recall that for a (blessedly brief) period in high school a couple of friends and I thought iron crosses were cool and even wore them around our necks. The purpose was to make the adults sputter. After we learned more about Nazi Germany, we stopped wearing iron crosses and came up with more constructive ways to piss the adults off.

One thing's certain, though: in the U.S. of A. there's no culture or counterculture that can't be homogenized, repackaged, and sold back to consumers. Get your hippie/redneck paraphernalia here! What do you want to bet that "white trash rallies" are the next coming thing? Maybe they're already happening on a fairground near you.

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» RE: Sounds a lot like Woodstock Posted by: Luther Blissett
The good ole days
Posted by: Axiom69 on Sep 14, 2007 6:09 AM   
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As I read this article I found myself grinning from ear to ear. Soley because I could visually see the events taking place and wished to be there. I'm a New Yorker that lived in Virginia for two years and North Carolina for 8. I remember being called a Yankee and also remember it being meant as the harshest of insults. It took a few years to lose the term "yous guys" and pick up "y'all". Eventually I found myself at home. I never met a friendlier group of people than the "redneck". The people I met would give you the shirt off their back. Break down in your car? No worry. Just knock on the door of the closest house and someone will come out to help. If they can't, they will call a neighbor who can. You may even get invited to dinner. In North Carolina I knew all my neighbors and knew if I ever needed a hand with something all I needed to do was ask. Back in New York, I've lived in the same house for 9 years and know none of my neighbors on a first name basis. Yes I miss the rowdy rural lifestyle. It was friendlier, more laid back and a hell of alot more fun. Nothing beats a redneck BBQ. People there may not have two dimes to rub together but you will be hard pressed to find more delicious food or more hospitable people.

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» RE: The good ole days Posted by: Knowmad
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» I know what you mean Posted by: kepstein7777
socalled rednecks
Posted by: yale on Sep 14, 2007 6:36 AM   
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Iam an old hippie myself, having moved out of the big city a long time ago, where I was well educated. Now I live in the middle of this socalled redneckville. A lot of folks like me ran to this place back in the 70s and 80s to get out of the insane life they had in the city. So here we are, half of us from away, and the other half, native backwoods folk who would probably be labeled as rednecks. My opinion of these folks has changed dramaticly over the years. They are more family oreintated, more apt to come help if you need it, and for the most part really dont care how you dress or what you look like. They are unconditionally always there as good neighbors. On the other hand some of the old back to the landers from the city, you know, the intellectually obnoxious, types, are very criticle of these folks. Thankfully a lot of the over critical ones have moved back to their suberbs where they grew up. The ones that remain keep themselves isolated from the native population. They have that snooty, elite, air about themselves, like they are actually a cut above most other folks. Its these neighbors that I have little or nothing to do with anymore. The native folk are refreshingly down to earth, and although, not as politically aware, they surprisingly have the same outlook.

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Are you kidding?
Posted by: jhc13 on Sep 14, 2007 6:44 AM   
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Hey Alternet, I stopped reading over a year ago and each time I check back to see if you've gotten it together, there's some article like this one, confirming the fact that you are a bunch of yuppies. The Weathermen would have eaten you for breakfast.

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» RE: Are you kidding? Posted by: Jan Frel
» RE: Are you kidding? Posted by: Camilla Cracchiolo
Fer a college perfess'r, James Cobb sho is dum
Posted by: sausage on Sep 14, 2007 7:02 AM   
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I was simply flabbergasted by Southern Georgia professor James Cobb's characterization of computer programmer "rednecks" as "hippies of the 1990s and early 21st century."

Please, these contrarian wannabes are anything but "countercultural." They take all their clues right from the purveyors of popular culture in Hollywood and the marketing consultants of Madison Avenue. The Harleys, the blue jeans, the bandanas as do-rags, the T-shirts, the cowboy boots, all marketed to these idiots as emblematic of a uniquely American machismo. These cases of arrested adolescence go into debt for their "countercultural" accoutrements. All the better Harley-Davison dealers offer generous financing plans through Harley-Davidson Credit so any "redneck" can afford to strap on of these babies between his legs.

Perhaps rather than celebrating redneckedness at bogus "games" put on by a slick promoter, the few real rednecks remaining in East Texas, Arkansas, Missouri, etc, should stage a mock burial `a la the 1967 burial of "Hippie, Son of Media" in San Franciso's Height-Ashbury.

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Rednecks vs Gangstas. I saw an amazing store in Tennessee (it
Posted by: albrechtkrausse on Sep 14, 2007 7:26 AM   
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might have been in Virginia). Regardless this gas station had a convenience store attached to it selling souveniers and such. One half was totally selling country music cds, t-shirts like: "100% Redneck", "South Will Rise Again" stuff, and NASCAR-associated items. The other half of the store, literally, was selling rap cds, had t-shirts of .50 Cent" Gangsta for Life", t-shirts showing large pitbulls being held back by a muscled black guy in tank top, etc. It was surreal and bizarre. There were people of all colours in the store buying their gas and drinks and acted like this segregation, and blatant pandering to the worst in both races, was completly normal. Very bizarre.

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If you teach rhetoric and literature...you might be a redneck
Posted by: profoflitandtrout on Sep 14, 2007 8:44 AM   
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To be certain, marketers will always capitalize on a subculture's popularity whether the flannel of grunge sold at the Gap, or hemp t-shirts available from the Sierra Club, selling the image of a recognizable 'lifestyle.' This is no surprise. However, there is always an originary source. 'Redneck,' I would argue has been a badge of honor far before Larry the Cable Guy (I side with David Cross on him nonetheless) . Having grown up in a blue-colar paper-mill town in the Midwest, I grew up wondering why I didn't want 44" tires on my truck, or a snowmobile, etc. I resented this up-bringing, even cursing my father at the time for deciding to raise us in such a backwater of culture. Yet, I have come to appreciate that my escape led me to encounter the reality that the grass wasn't much greener elsewhere. I now live in a college town in Montana (extremely progressive for the West) where I am an adjunct professor who discusses literature, rhetoric, and politics in the classroom and the duck blind (the latter in full camo of course). I'd argue there is a sort of redneck ethnography I do identify with, and which I have often defended against the ivory-tower cultural/environmental naivity of all too many intellectuals (think EarthFirst, if you will). When I attended Duke University, my fishing/camping/hunting/beer-party-in-the-woods stories were referred to as "colloquial," my accent, as "vernacular." While I felt insecure, having to prove that I am an intelligent human being, I now embrace this upbringing and the insight into the politics of American culture. We are all branded and succumb to marketing to a degree, but to generalize any life and make assumptions about values, politics, etc. is willful ignorance. After editing my essay on an eco-critical approach to Joseph Conrad's "Typhoon," a text, I argue, dedicated to the phenomenological and experiential, I am going out to set up my deer stand for bow hunting. Oscar Wilde was tried in London, but embraced out West.

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Burningman for Ted Nugent
Posted by: nor cal surfer on Sep 14, 2007 8:49 AM   
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everyone should be able to blow off steam and gather with the like minded. that's what makes this country great. i really don't like the confederate flag and what that stands for, but hopefully (like anne coulter et al) it reminds us of what's wrong with this country and moves us towards healing and overcoming (ignorance).

i live in Virginia now, having moved from the San Francisco area, and i find 'rednecks' some of the most honest, forthright folks i've met in this land. they chop good wood, stop when you break down (yes, that other poster is correct), and work an honest day. i'd like for them to not throw so many beer cans down by the river, but i found that to be the case in Santa Cruz, Chico, and Malibu; ignorance is everywhere, color blind, and economically distributed.

i did get a laugh when a redneck in a dented, smoking Buick wanted to street race me in my pumped out Pantera the other day.

i don't street race.

and judging by his smile, i think he won.

p.s. the only thing worse than an ignoramus: a politicianus, something i'm surrounded by now. this flavor of human is by far the most dangerous, fork tongued backstabber on two feet today. they actually wear american flags whilst dismantling america! i kid you not.

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Does "red" state (vs. blue) come from "redneck" too?
Posted by: Sojourner on Sep 14, 2007 9:30 AM   
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It's the folks who voted for Bush twice this article is about, right? Drinking, nudity, and riding motorcycles don't necessarily hurt anyone. Putting a sociopath in as President hurts us all.

It was the states that identify themselves as redneck that solidly elected the Shrub, especially Texas which will be run by the Tom Delay legislative takeover indefinitely.

No mention in this article about the extent to which the areas who voted for Bush are dependent on the arms race and military spending. Yes, they are willing to die for their beliefs by sending the sons and daughters off to fight a war to steal the oil and other resources of nations around the world.

So they may not be bad people. But they are dead wrong about how to run a modern superpower.

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» yes, dead wrong for sure Posted by: nor cal surfer
Redneck 2007
Posted by: jeffrey7 on Sep 14, 2007 9:31 AM   
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If Saddam had WMD's,you're a redneck.
If you're republican and against gays and get caught in a gay situation,you're a redneck.
If you think a border fence is a good idea,you're a redneck.
If you cut a fart and wave it to the person next to you,you're fer sure a redneck.
If your life is on Jerry Springer and you think it's your 'big break' in entertainment,you're a redneck
If you voted for Bush,you're a redneck
If you're pissed at reading this,you're a redneck.
If you're laughing your ass off.you're probably all right.

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» RE: edneck 2007 Posted by: Axiom69
I know that I'm setting myself for a beating, but.....
Posted by: FedUp on Sep 14, 2007 9:56 AM   
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I moved to San Francisco 15 years ago; I'm Latino and of the brown-skinned variety. It was only last week that I mentioned to a friend here that some of the very nicest people that I have ever met in those 15 years, have been rednecks, from towns with strange names I can't even pronounce in Georgia, from Alabama, Tennessee (the nicest), my best friend was from Mexico, Missouri, and another was a sharecropper's grandson from Mississippi. Another was from Front Royal, Virginia. Yet another was from Smoot, West Virginia.
The former tenant of my apartment was from Midland, Texas, and when I met his mother, we became fast friends. I used to love to ask her; "Hi, Betty! How are you?" She'd respond; "Honey, Ah'm wunnerfull!"
To my eye, most of the people that I've met would nicely fit the stereotype, but time and again, on a one to one basis, I couldn't ask for nicer people.
Walking around San Francisco, almost every time that someone has engaged me in a warm and friendly conversation, they've had a southern drawl. It may be my luck, but I think there's more to these people than meets the eye.
Of course, they get balanced out by pseudo-hip, pseudo-intellectual, pseudo-liberals and pseudo-urbane San Franciscans from the Central Valley.

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Racism and Rednecks
Posted by: Camilla Cracchiolo on Sep 14, 2007 10:06 AM   
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Did you know that the 5 most segregated cities in the country are all in the North? That the state with the biggest KKK is Michigan? Followed by Southern California.

Some of the most effective anti racist organizing around is in the South. By some of those very same rednecks who took it to heart when they saw black folks having dogs set on them just for wanting to vote. Urban northerners have NO business looking down on the South for racism. Not any more.

And when your leftist group has more than one person of color in it, please DO let me know.

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And now for the Real Definition and Etimology of the Term, "REDNECK"...
Posted by: yellow on Sep 14, 2007 10:09 AM   
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The actual origin of the term is somewhat dignifying. It is not an unschooled, drunken moron who's poor, hates the local negroes, and hails from Dixie. This is the sterotype. The term redneck refers to the red silk sash worn around the necks of Scottish Protestants in the 17th Century who defied the Church of England in starting and practicing their own faith...Scottish Presbetyrianism. So in fact the term originated not with cultural rot but with...a brave struggle for religious freedom.

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Author needs more history
Posted by: ReallyBearish on Sep 14, 2007 10:41 AM   
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This "redneck" business relates back to the rual-urban divide that's been with us since the "Cross of Gold" speech in the late 19th Century. There's always some blather about the left trying to incorporate these folks into their political club, much as FDR did in the 1930s. Ain't going to work.

At the bottom of this is some nasty, heavy duty anti urban, anti modern, anti intellectual undercurrents. This group was the last supporters of the Klan, and that was no accident.

Actually, those of us in the North know some of their "kin folks". In New England they're called "swamp yankees".

When times get tough, they may vote for progressives, but this is a temporary phenomenon. When times get better, they'll regress to their natural tendency to vote for reactionary, racist crooks who sell them on "social issues". This group is ideal for recruiting latter day brown shirts and their ilk.

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Sorry, but....
Posted by: Mewsician on Sep 14, 2007 2:14 PM   
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....the red-state ilk this article profiles is one of the great plagues taking America down in the history books. The South is a boil on this nation's ass; these are the people that backed George Bush from start to finish, and while I'm sure not ALL of them vote, enough of them do to have made a terrible difference. At the core of the red-neck identity is the celebration of underachieving mediocrity, and the identity offers its devotees a chance to crow to their fellow citizens, "Hey, lookit me. I'm nobody, I ain't never done nothin', and I ain't never going to BE nothin'. How do ya like that?" This flies directly in the face of everything that made this country great - a willingness to work hard, do better, achieve something decent and be a human being who contributed something during his time on Earth. In the red-neck persona, I see nothing but a sad, lamentable existence that benefits no one. And Dumbya, in fact, is their poster child.

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» RE: Sorry, but.... Posted by: yale
Just tell them you're a Yankee
Posted by: Violetflame11 on Sep 14, 2007 12:41 PM   
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Yeah, sounds like lots of fun. Just go on in and join the crowd! And if you're not from the south, just open your mouth and start yapping with your Yankee accent, or take a black friend with you.

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The KKK will be in Athens Alabama tomorrow.
Posted by: MobileSucks on Sep 14, 2007 2:40 PM   
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The Klan is a southern tradition and members will be appearing in Athens Alabama this Saturday to speak to the public about immigration.

I plan to attend this event with a friend and hopefully join with other Alabamians in telling these assholes we don't agree with their hateful bullshit and to go away. From what I understand, these individuals are actually from Indiana. I hope they get the message, loud and clearly, that they are not welcome here in Alabama. Apparently Athens has often been the site of klan speeches and so I guess that is why they're choosing it as their location.

I've discussed this with black people I know, one who is from Athens and another from northern Alabama as well. They are both in their twenties. I found it interesting that both of them were more or less uninterested in the fact that the klan will be in Athens. One actually defended the klan, calling the klan just another tradition, like churches and ,he said, unions (it's true). I replied that yes, the KKK is a tradition, but a really bad one. I told them I would be going to protest the KKK being here and I was told by them that the klan has a right to be here and they aren't bothered by them. I hope most people, whatever their skin color, aren't this politically apathetic. But I think the vast majority are overwhelmingly preoccupied with college football this Saturday. Most do not care that people representing a long and all too recent history of hatred and murder of countless innocents will be here representing that tradition. That the forces of regression all too quickly can overcome the progress people have struggled so hard to defeat remains of little concern, apparently, to most citizens. Or I guess it's now just consumer/football fan.

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Real Nice Folk
Posted by: thornwolf on Sep 15, 2007 3:36 AM   
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I'm a Yankee born and bred, but I've been around the country a bit in my 60-some years and I have to say that the Southerners I've met have been some of the nicest people you would ever want to meet.

In Kentucky (which is practically a northern state for its location, for gosh sakes, but is truly southern for its charm) people say things like, "Y'all come back soon, hear?" even if they don't know you real well. No one in New York or New England ever says anything like that.

My good friend in Mississippi tells me I have a standing invitation to come and stay. "Just c'mon down," she says. Up North here, it's "Call first." That's all right, but not as charming and friendly as the South.

My Virginia friends recently invited me down for a redneck barbecue. Damn, that was good. Smack-your-lips, finger-lickin', memorably good food, served up in generous portions by the friendliest, nicest people you could hope to meet. I was treated like family by folks who'd only just met me.

One day I said to my Texian friend, "Jon, how come Southerners are so polite?" He said, "'Cause they think you have a gun." I said, "Why would they think that?" And he replied, "'Cause they have a gun." Heh. I imagine he was joking, but it doesn't matter why they're polite, they just are, and that's a great thing. Makes you want to come back.

Even though I think New Yorkers are far nicer then they get credit for, and though I find New Englanders warm enough (if a bit reserved and too PC), none of them have the charm of the South. Southern hospitality is not just a slogan, it's for real. Check it out.

(By the way, us Yankees don't mind being called Yankees one bit. We rather like it, actually. It speaks directly to the Dutch part of our heritage. Just remember that New Yorkers are the original Yankees. And c'mon up anytime, but just call first, ok?)

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Distracted
Posted by: realist on Sep 15, 2007 8:52 AM   
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I confess I've missed the uprising of redneck southerners and their "culture." Maybe I was too immersed in high-minded northern fare like "The Sopranos."

Perhaps if southerners could persuade HBO to do a high-budget series featuring the Klan as "America's favorite redneck crime family," we'd get more respect.

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I have driven from the north to Florida several times,
Posted by: Ellie1 on Sep 15, 2007 11:14 AM   
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and I always feel like I lose ten points in I.Q. every time I enter a new state. The news is entirely slanted, and Faux is the news of choice. Nascar is considered exciting (zzzzzz!). I know I don't belong there and would NEVER move there under any circumstances. I blame the idiots in the South for the past 6 years of George W., and they have blood on their hands as far as I am concerned. They are in bed with lying murderers.

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title
Posted by: Balans on Sep 16, 2007 9:52 AM   
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This is exactly what I expected to find out after reading the title. Thanks for informative article.

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glamorizing imbeciles
Posted by: WhatNow? on Sep 16, 2007 2:06 PM   
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way to go alternet. these imbeciles are the most ecologically damaging creatures to devolve. I've lived amongst them for years. Few if any care how iraqis are slaughtered as long as they can drive their gas guzzling trucks, kill off half of the few remaining brain cells they have, and defile nature with their ATVs.

A very large percentage of people in the south believe:

1) Hussien has wmd
2) Bush is good christian man
3) Violence is admirable
4) Admitting a mistake is not allowed
5) wasting resources is good and all should strive to do the same
6) Education is uncool, wimpy, or pathetic
7) overbreeding is desirable

I could go on an on. The love and admiration for violence makes me the sickest.

Nothing about "redneck" ignorance should ever be glorified.

I probably would have been a much happier and productive person had my parents never moved here. I've been so corrupted, polluted, defiled, demoralized, and sickened by life here, I'd never want to go anywhere else and make someone else have to suffer me because of what this place has made me.

Suck up to the idiots all you want but all I can tell you is "if you're a redneck you can go to hell."

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Some rebels
Posted by: drcyflowers on Sep 16, 2007 7:59 PM   
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The article claims that rednecks are people who think for themselves, unconventionally. Indeed, they like to think of themselves as "rebels."

I wonder then why rednecks follow every word that the minister of their megachurch tells them, every word spoken by Bush and other Republican politicians. I wonder why they believe Rush Limbaugh and everyone on Faux News. I wonder why they wave the flag on cue whenever some demagogue tells them to.

Some rebels, really thinking for themselves.

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Great Company
Posted by: Axiom69 on Sep 17, 2007 6:38 AM   
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The Nazi's referred to the Jews as "they" and "them". The Klan refers to minorities as "they" and "them". Homophobes refer to gays as "they" and "them". I read this article and see alot of posts referring southerners using words like "they" and "them". Anyone that buys into a stereotype is just as ignorant as the Nazi's, Klan and homophobes. Racism is the bastard child of ignorance and intolerance. Putting down an entire social group is just a way of making someone feel better about themselves. Putting down all southerners or "rednecks" as an entire group is no better than putting down all minorities, jews or gays. YES it is the same thing. Just because it's politically correct to put down southern white conservatives doesn't make it any different than the above mentioned examples. If you posted negative comments about "the south" or "southerners" as an entire group then you are not an open minded progressive, you are a bigot.

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Think before you judge.
Posted by: Texocrat on Sep 18, 2007 11:36 AM   
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Nothing in this article surprises me except for the complete lack of journalistic integrity. This is nothing more than a story told by an outsider who knows very little about the local culture. I'm not trying to defend the festival. But there is a lot more to East Texas and southern culture than stupid redneck games. One thing of significance is the misunderstanding of the Confederate flag. To most southerners, this flag represents independance and freedom. It is usually not directly associated with racism, except by outsiders. I wouldn't fly this flag because I don't want to be misunderstood, but the independant minded "redneck" couldn't care less if you get it or not. That doesn't make him a racist.

Think before you judge. Southerners are just people, for better or worse.

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