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The Battle for Iraq is About Oil and Democracy, Not Religion!
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And it obscures the great irony of the American project: that in that defining conflict over the future of the country, the Bush administration, with the support of Congress, has taken the same side as Iran's hardliners and the same side as the Sunni fundamentalist group called al Qaeda in Iraq. All are working -- separately, but towards the same ends -- against the wishes of a majority of Iraqis, who polls show want a united, sovereign country in control of its own resources and free of meddling by Washington, Tehran and other foreigners.
Tens, perhaps hundreds of thousands of Iraqis have died violent deaths since the U.S.-led invasion in 2003, many of them as a result of the civil conflicts that have pitted Iraqi against Iraqi. But those conflicts have nothing to do with the differences that distinguish the different branches of Islam -- Iraq isn't struggling with a religious civil war.
Iraqis are fighting over fundamental questions about the future of their country. They're fighting over whether it will have a strong central government or be a weak confederation of semiautonomous states, over how soon and to what degree it will be independent of foreign influence, over who will control its massive energy reserves and under what terms they will be developed -- all of these things are tangible, concrete issues that are crucial in determining Iraq's future.
We refer to this central political conflict as one between Iraqi separatists and nationalists. Loosely speaking, separatists favor a "soft partition" of Iraq into at least three zones with strong regional governments, similar to the semiautonomous Kurdish "state" in Northern Iraq; they are at least willing to tolerate foreign influence -- meaning Iranian, U.S. or other powers' influence, depending on which group one is discussing -- for the foreseeable future; they favor privatizing Iraq's massive energy reserves and ceding substantial control of the country's oil sector to regional authorities.
Nationalists are just the opposite: They reject any foreign interference in Iraq's affairs, they favor a strong technocratic central government in Baghdad that's not based on sectarian voting blocs and they oppose privatizing Iraq's oil and natural gas reserves on the extraordinarily generous terms (to the oil companies) proposed by the U.S. government and institutions like the IMF. They favor centralized control over the development of Iraq's oil and gas reserves.
That's not to say that ethic and sectarian violence isn't real, or isn't a significant problem in Iraq. The point is that violence based on religious or ethnic identity -- Shiite or Sunni or Christian, Arab or Turkman or Kurd -- is an extension of these fundamental disputes over what the future of Iraq will hold.
Sectarian and political tensions overlap in a fluid, shifting dynamic. The Iraqi parliament began as an institution of largely sectarian coalitions, but over the past two years, as the occupation has continued to grind on, sectarian-based politics have become overshadowed by divisions between nationalists and separatists. The result of the media's singular focus on sectarian conflict is that most Americans are unable to grasp the changing terrain of Iraq's political landscape with anything approaching a sense of the context in which events occur.
Consider a recent development of some significance. At the end of August, five Iraqi parties -- representing Sunni and Shiite Arabs and Kurds -- signed a "unity accord" or a "five-party manifesto" that Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki claimed was a sign of new movement towards national reconciliation. The White House said it was "an important symbol of unity in Iraq," and congratulated "Iraq's leaders on the important agreement." A spokesman for the Iranian government called it "productive and positive." The truth, however, was that it was an agreement among parties that had long agreed -- among five Shiite, Sunni and Kurdish separatist parties that had been loosely allied since at least 2000, when all belonged to the London-based Iraqi exile group called the "Independent Iraqi Democrats." All five parties were strategic allies in the 2002 "London Conference," preparing and justifying a U.S.-led invasion. The five parties have long supported al-Maliki's regime. In fact, they are al-Maliki's regime, but the commercial media never took note of that fact.
Similarly, most Americans remain largely unaware of the political tensions that have created an almost irreconcilable impasse within the Iraqi government. The U.S.-backed al-Maliki "government" -- the Iraqi cabinet -- is dominated by separatists, including Shiites like Abdul Aziz Al-Hakeem, leader of the pro-Iranian group SIIC (formerly SCIRI), and al-Maliki himself, representing the al-Dawa Party; Sunnis like Iraqi Vice President Tariq Al-Hashimi of the Islamic Party, Iraq's President Jalal Talabani from the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan, and Massoud Barzani, the president of the Kurdish autonomous government, representing the the Kurdistan Democratic Party. (Yes, these are exactly the same five parties that met last month and repackaged their old alliance as a new political victory.)
At the same time, Shiite (al-Sadr Movement, al-Fadhila Party), Sunni (the National Dialogue Council and the People of Iraq's Council) and secular (the National Dialogue Front and the Iraqi National list) nationalist groups -- along with a few Kurdish, Christian and Yazidi representatives -- have a slight working majority in the Iraqi Council of Representatives. The division between Iraq's governing coalition and a majority of its legislators explains why so many resolutions are accepted by the cabinet in one day, but spend months without being acknowledged by the parliament and vice-versa.
Also obscured by the media's focus on sectarian conflict is the massive divide between U.S. interests and the desires of most Iraqis on the most important issues facing the nascent state. Reached in Finland last week, Saleh al-Mutlaq, head of the secular National Dialogue Front, said, "What we're facing in Iraq is a political war in which the U.S. is taking one side."
The clearest but not sole example of that is the controversial oil laws that the Iraqi government has struggled with for over a year. While the White House puts relentless pressure on Iraqi lawmakers to pass a law that throws Iraq's energy sector open to foreign investors, a recent poll found that almost two out of three Iraqis would "prefer Iraq's oil to be developed and produced by Iraqi public sector companies rather than foreign companies."
Reached by phone this week in Amman, Jordan, Khalaf al-Ulayyan, head of the National Dialogue Council, one of the key Sunni groups that pulled out of al-Maliki's cabinet last month, described a conflict that was anything but religious. "My party is one among many different Iraqi groups -- Sunnis, Shias and seculars -- who are working together inside the parliament to block the law," Ulayyan said. "This oil and gas law is a major threat to Iraq's future."
His comments were almost indistinguishable from those of Shiite nationalist Nadim al-Jaberi, the head of the al Fadhila Party, who told us by phone from Baghdad that his party favors a public referendum "regarding the oil law to prove that the majority of the Iraqi people are against this law." He added, "The U.S. is putting maximum pressure to pass the law."
On the issue of federalism, key lawmakers from both parties in Washington, along with a host of foreign-policy think tanks and media pundits, have called for partitioning Iraq into three semiautonomous regions in a loose federation. Iraqi separatists are happy with that for the obvious reasons: The strongest pro-Iranian groups want to have their Shiastan just as most of the Kurdish leadership want to keep their Kurdistan. The Islamic Party, the lone Sunni group in the bunch, is a staunch supporter of the occupation, opposes any talk of a U.S. withdrawal and supports Kurdish and Shiite separatists' aspirations.
Al-Qaeda in Iraq is thrilled with the idea as well. The fundamentalist group, which had no presence in Iraq prior to the 2003 invasion, announced that it planned to build an exclusively Sunni "Islamic State" in the middle of Iraq; a "Sunnistan." And while the United States is claiming that its military operations in Anbar province have cut down on the violence there, the truth is that Sunni chieftains and other nationalists in Anbar only turned on the militants after they called for the creation of a separate Islamic state. That was months before the additional U.S. troops were on the ground.
Here, too, the separatist position backed by the United States is unpopular among Iraqis; a poll conducted last September found that majorities of all of Iraq's major ethnic and sectarian groups favor a strong central government in Baghdad (although even the most hard-core Iraqi nationalists understand the importance of the unique status of the Kurdish autonomous areas and don't object to the current system).
Of course, the most important issue facing Iraq is when and if Iraqi sovereignty will be restored. According to the poll cited above, "seven in ten Iraqis want U.S.-led forces to commit to withdraw within a year. An overwhelming majority believes that the United States military presence in Iraq is provoking more conflict than it is preventing." That view is shared by a (slim) majority of Iraqi lawmakers -- remember, nationalists have the upper hand in parliament -- but rejected by the al-Maliki government.
The contours of these very real and very important conflicts are vital to understanding where the American project in Iraq is and where it's heading. But Americans aren't being given the whole picture. Consider how a few recent stories out of Iraq look in the context of a political rather than religious civil war:
The Petraeus report's "progress"
Although many are already skeptical of general Petraeus' widely anticipated testimony about the supposedly improving security situation in Iraq, understanding the full range of conflict that afflicts Iraq makes the White House's claim that its troop "surge" has reduced violence even more dubious. As Paul Krugman noted last week, only sectarian killings count in the Pentagon's books:
Apparently, the Pentagon has a double supersecret formula that it uses to distinguish sectarian killings [bad] from other deaths [not important]; according to press reports, all deaths from car bombs are excluded, and one intelligence analyst told the Washington Post that "if a bullet went through the back of the head, it's sectarian. If it went through the front, it's criminal." So the number of dead is down, as long as you only count certain kinds of dead people.So it's a "progress report" that ignores the fact that the thousands of Iraqis who were killed, and other millions who have lost their homes are victims of a separatist political agenda that had one major obstacle during the last years: the millions of Sunnis living in "Shiastan," Shia living in "Sunnistan," and Arabs living in "Kurdistan." Even the so called "sectarian deaths" are about implementing a political agenda.
Why "start over" with the Iraqi police, but not the army?
Last week, a U.S. commission studying the situation in Iraq suggested that the Iraqi police force "be scrapped" -- presumably putting 26,000 heavily armed men out of work -- and that a new force be built from scratch. The reason: It's infiltrated by "sectarian militias" and can't be trusted, according to the commission.
Sharp observers must have been dumbfounded: Analysts agree that the Iraqi army is just as deeply infiltrated with militia forces and, like the police, they are also Shiite militias accused of "sectarian violence." Among Iraqis, the two institutions are ranked similarly -- about six in 10 have confidence in both the police and the army (PDF).
What's really going on is a mystery to most news consumers: The Iraqi police force is deeply infiltrated by Shiite nationalists -- specifically members of the Mahdi Army -- and the army is essentially controlled by Shiite separatists, specifically the Badr Organization Linked to SIIC. This U.S. bias, supporting the Iraqi Army against the Iraqi police, is not new; in May, U.S. warplanes dropped leaflets on Al-Diwaniya, a Southern Iraqi city, asking the local police to "stay home" while the Iraqi army was attacking militia fighters in the city. The U.S. military didn't just threaten to kill any policemen who left their homes, it launched airstrikes against local police buildings when members of the Iraqi Army called for backup.
Factions battling in the "power vacuum" in Basra
Of the Shia-on-Shia conflict in the southern provinces, a conflict in which British defense officials estimate 5,000 people have been killed over the past two years, most reporting has been of a vague battle between generic Shiite "factions" over "power." That's true, but lacking the vital details: it is a civil war between Shiite separatists -- pro-Iranian parties led by SIIC and backed by al-Maliki's coalition and the United States -- and Shiite nationalists from the Al-Fadhila party allied to one degree or another with the fiercely nationalistic Muqtada al-Sadr.
In Najaf, SIIC and the Dawa Party seem to have the upper hand, but not in Iraq's eight other southern provinces. Separatist governors have been assassinated in two of those provinces in the past month, along with their bodyguards, and in both instances Sadrists were suspected of having carried out the attacks. They're members of the same Muslim sect fighting over earthly issues -- power, national identity, sovereignty and control of wealth. But the media won't tell the story in its complexity, as it doesn't fit the sectarian civil war narrative.
Political impasse, not sectarian divide, has brought al-Maliki's government to standstill
The media has made much of the fracturing of al-Maliki's governing coalition, but for the most part hasn't explained that his government has come apart along political lines -- with Iraqi nationalists of every sect and ethnicity distancing themselves from al-Maliki, a Shiite separatist. One of the first parties to abandon the coalition was al-Fadhila, a Shiite nationalist party that draws strength from the poor in the south of the country. It pulled out of the Shia coalition, the United Iraqi Alliance, in March, joining other Sunni and secular nationalists. Reached by phone this week in Baghdad, the head of Fadhila, Nadim al-Jaberi, said that his party "was the pioneer in breaking up the sectarian-based coalitions in the parliament and government, and in calling for a new regrouping that's politically based regardless of sects and ethnic roots."
The Islamic Party, a Sunni separatist party, made a similar move. In joining other Shia and Kurdish separatist groups, the Islamic Party effectively broke up the largest Sunni block in the Iraqi parliament, the Accord Front. None of this fits into the neat sectarian conflict that's become the conventional wisdom about what's going on in Iraq.
Crazy ragheads
The frame of a religious civil war not only obscures the fact that the United States is backing a deeply unpopular side in Iraq's political strife -- that America is in fact an enemy of the Iraqi people, not of its "extremists" -- it also plays into the popular but profoundly wrong notion that the conflict in Iraq is based on an age-old and perfectly irrational dispute over Islamic theological issues. In the West, it's widely believed that religious wars are "primitive" -- something Europeans shook off during the Age of Enlightenment -- while the kind of struggles over land, wealth and power that are raging in Iraq, while unfortunate, are believed to be a necessary component of statehood. By ignoring the political divides that ultimately fuel the violence plaguing Iraq -- by focusing on the violent symptoms and ignoring the underlying disease -- the conventional wisdom plays perfectly into the widespread belief that the bloodshed in Iraq is being carried out by fanatical savages beyond our understanding.
That, in turn, diverts responsibility for the chaos that followed the U.S. invasion away from American imperial hubris. After all, how could rational, Western war planners in Maryland or Virginia possibly predict an orgy of sectarian violence when they decided to dismantle the Iraqi government and security forces and replace them with an occupation force with a "light footprint"?
But more importantly than that, the religious civil war narrative obscures the fact that the United States is not working towards political reconciliation in Iraq. As we've detailed before, Iraq's nationalist groups -- groups representing the majority of Iraqis -- have reached out repeatedly in a series of attempts to reach a peaceful, negotiated end to the occupation and have been rebuffed. Instead of supporting the very groups that aspire to an independent Iraq where Iranians would not interfere and groups like al Qaeda would find no shelter, we are riding the wrong horse.
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Posted by: vox persona on Sep 10, 2007 1:34 AM
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Welcome to the 21st century.
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Posted by: JayMagoo on Sep 10, 2007 3:35 AM
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America, the most noble experiment in Democracy in history is being perverted and misused by the sleezy little grasping minds of Bush and Cheney to simply and blatantly steal the resources of another country. It's a disgrace!
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» its not just oil
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Posted by: Michael Boldin on Sep 10, 2007 5:04 AM
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But, the reality is just the opposite. Wars give the politicians more and more power - and we have less freedom, less democracy, less security and less prosperity.....every single time.
The article is spot on - we fight for the power and profits of just a few at the top of our society. Dennis Kucinich has been speaking out on this for some time too...and I hope more and more will start listening.
Some good follow up reading if you're interested:
"Revealed: Why Your Sons and Daughters Died in Iraq" - click here
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» Mike, I read your link. The ultimate value of untapped oil reserves is crucial to US motives.
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» RE: Why we fight......Michael, wouldn't it be nice if Alternet would cover what Kucinich says?
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Posted by: Paxmana1 on Sep 10, 2007 5:29 AM
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A million Iraqi's slaughtered .. Palestinian Children slaughtered and the people herded into Gulags where the monsters can control them easier and allow the theft of their ancestral lands .. the whole middle east is aflame .. who is to blame? ..
These maniacs are now actively pursuing Nuclear War with Iran .. a country that does not yet have the capability to produce a Nuclear weapon and even if they did .. they understand the Cold War Doctrine of Mutual Assured Destruction or MAD as its acronym. The Iranians were civilised whilst we still ran around dressed in wolf skins and carrying clubs.
The rest of the world understands who it is that controls the white house and the military .. a bunch of nutters who have the gall to state that they were chosen by God .. all of the unrest in the middle east was deliberately fostered.
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Posted by: mbrock on Sep 10, 2007 5:34 AM
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The simple reason for nearly every Bush decision made regarding the middle east is simple: Turmoil inflates the price of crude oil and the Americans who produce about 5 million barrels a day of crude on American soil profiit from it. In 1998 the price of oil was 1/6th what it is today. American oil producers (including Western Kansas farmers with a well or two on the north 40) are cashing in on the fact that a country with the second or third largest proven oil reserves in the world has been put out of the oil business. It adds up to about a billion dollars every three days JUST FROM SELLING OIL!
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SEPT. 5, 2007 - MARKEY APPALLED AT UNPRECEDENTED AIR FORCE NUKE LOSS http://markey.house.gov/index.php?option=
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WASHINGTON, D.C. – Representative Edward J. Markey (D-MA), a senior member of the House Homeland Security Committee and the co-chair of the House Bipartisan Task Force on Non-Proliferation, expressed outrage today at reports that the Air Force mistakenly loaded five nuclear warheads on a B52 bomber for a cross-country flight. The warheads should have been removed from the Advanced Cruise Missiles before they were transported to their decommissioning site. According to reports, no one in the Air Force, including the B52 pilots, knew the whereabouts of the warheads until the bomber landed over three hours later.
“Nuclear weapons are the most sensitive and dangerous items that exist in the world. It is absolutely inexcusable that the Air Force lost track of these five nuclear warheads, even for a short period of time,” said Rep. Markey
“Nothing like this has ever been reported before and we have been assured for decades that it was impossible. The complete breakdown of the Air Force command and control over enough nuclear weapons to destroy several cities has frightening implications not only for the Air Force, but for the security of our entire nuclear weapons stockpile.
“This frightening incident highlights that the Bush administration’s plan to design and build a new arsenal of nuclear warheads is dangerous, especially when we can’t keep track of the warheads we already have. We should put the breaks on the President’s program for new nuclear weapons, and solve the daunting challenges posed by those weapons we already own,” concluded Markey.
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
September 5, 2007 CONTACT: Jessica Schafer, 202.225.2836
U.S. Air Force Statement on B-52 Nuclear Incident at Minot
Lt Col Edward Thomas http://www.fas.org/blog/ssp/united_states/usaf090607.pdf
Chief, Current Operations
Air Force Public Affairs
September 6, 2007
[Reproduced by Hans M. Kristensen, Federation of American Scientists.
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» Your post is frightening indeed and cause for alarm. A nuclear war with Iran is to be avoided.
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Posted by: duck-lady on Sep 10, 2007 8:43 AM
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Please stop perpetuating the myth of the low death count. The British medical journal, Lancet, has published an estimate of 655,000 "excess deaths" since the U.S. led invasion of Iraq. Unlike other estimates from the U.S. and Iraq, this is the only one that used the very reliable statistical method called cluster sampling to produce the estimates. This technique is widely used in war zones and is only being ignored this time because we are the cause of the deaths. If you had read the research you would know that the great majority of the deaths are substantiated with death certificates.
Please stop letting the conservatives frame all the issues. The Iraqi death toll is obscenely high. Let's not be afraid to report that.
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» Glad to hear your so careful, Josh, read this..... brits say its now closer to 1.2 million...
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Posted by: sausage on Sep 10, 2007 9:38 AM
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That the war against the late Iraqi dictator, Saddam Hussein, and subsequent and continuing occupation, was a grab for the country's oil wealth should have been obvious to all. It was plain as the nose on George W. Bush's face the day American forces enter downtown Baghdad and occupied the oil minestry building. Meanwhile letting 7,000 years of Mesopotamian, not to mention the roots of Western, civilization go out the front door of the Iraq National Museum in looters' hands with Donald Rumsfeld shrugging it off as "stuff happens" and "what free people do."
And I always thought it curious that we, meaning the belligerent, retarded giant that is the USA, labeled Muqtada al-Sadr an outlaw even though the Sadr family were opponents of Saddam. But this essay makes clear what was not made clear in 2003: Muqtada al-Sadr as a nationalist would never agree to the privatization of Iraq's oil industry. And all along I have said that in George W. Bush's eyes, and that of his major corporate backers, Saddam Hussein's crime was not allowing the privatzation of the Iraqi oil industry by the IMF and World Bank.
Certainly privatizing Iraq's petroleum industry would benefit the late Iraqi dictator's Persian Gulf creditors and Western oil companies. But it would not stem violence aimed at the central government or Americans in Iraq, the recent history of Nigeria and its oil war tells us this.
The retarded giant which is the USA should take a clue from our oldest and closest puppets, the government of Mexico. Since the 1980s the Mexican government has gone on a privatization spree. Dictator Porfirio Diaz was overthrown because he, for all practical purposes, was gving Mexico away to America corporate interests. Now ownership of Mexican industries by American corporations at almost back to pre-revolution levels. Except Pemex, the Mexican state-owned oil industry. The puppet presidents of Mexico know that if Pemex is ever privatized there will be a new revolution.
But yet the retarded giant, USA, insists on continuing down the privatization road in Iraq.
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Posted by: Illiteratilumen on Sep 10, 2007 10:17 AM
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Articles like this are why I come to Alternet. Thanks for the good read.
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» RE: Much more than "Oil and Democracy"
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» Precisely Correct! When the love of money dominates ... overpopulation is the result
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Posted by: PakiBoy on Sep 10, 2007 10:26 AM
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US will attack Iran 'cause your intellectual Chomsky says so:
"Yes, I was quite sceptical. Less so over the years. They're desperate. Everything they touch is in ruins. They're even in danger of losing control over Middle Eastern oil -- to China, the topic that's rarely discussed but is on every planner or corporation exec's mind, if they're sane. Iran already has observer status at the Shanghai Cooperation Organization -- from which the US was pointedly excluded. Chinese trade with Saudi Arabia, even military sales, is growing fast. With the Bush administration in danger of losing Shiite Iraq, where most of the oil is (and most Saudi oil in regions with a harshly oppressed Shiite population), they may be in real trouble.
Under these circumstances, they're unpredictable. They might go for broke, and hope they can salvage something from the wreckage. If they do bomb, I suspect it will be accompanied by a ground assault in Khuzestan, near the Gulf, where the oil is (and an Arab population -- there already is an Ahwazi liberation front, probably organized by the CIA, which the US can "defend" from the evil Persians), and then they can bomb the rest of the country to rubble. And show who's boss."
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Posted by: eosrk on Sep 10, 2007 10:34 AM
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USA, this is what's going to be part of the new norm in the new Third World!
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» If America stops dying over there, reporters will die over here?
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» Osama Bin Laden, the former CIA asset and terrorist, is quite dead.
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» And how is this news story germane to the above topic on Iraq?
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For peace activists there is no more urgent issue than AIPAC to understand better, the role of religion in the perpetuation of this war, the pro-war lobby.
See these:
1) Hillary addressing AIPAC (3 min.):
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVWagtd8uwM&mode=related&search=
Hillary's "No options left on the table..." nuclear threat.
2) Then consider the company she keeps at AIPAC:
Rev. Hagee the self-described Christian Zionist. rapture cultist: www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDRxmqOn7x4&mode=related&search=
3) www.beyondiraq.com "Dr. Mike Evans" site for the AIPAC, Christian Zionism, 'Rapture' Iraq bloody propaganda.
All this is ignored by the mainstream and alternative media, partly because of the sensitivity of being called anti-semitic (see Rabbi Lerner below).
The impasse in Israel is the underlying cause of the Iraq invasion and the push to bomb Iran. Our best hope is to support the movement among American and Israeli Jewish peace activists for comprehensive and lasting results.
"The Israel Lobby (excerpt from Tikkun newsletter)
"In this Issue Tikkun Editor Rabbi Michael Lerner responds to the recent publication of The Israel Lobby by John Walt and Stephen Mearsheimer by giving an in-depth analysis of one of the most important issues in U.S. politics today: The power of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) to control the relationship between the United States and Israel.
"He comes to one conclusion: AIPAC is bad for the Jews, bad for the U.S., and bad for the world and he tells why.
This is not only a Jewish issue. Lerner presents ideas for how the Network of Spiritual Progressives can become the interfaith alternative to the Israel Lobby and shows that it can only do so with the help of non-Jews as well as Jews.
"Walt and Mearsheimer will be speaking at a series of Tikkun forums. The first will be held September 19th in Berkeley, California at 2345 Channing Way at 7:00 p.m. (reservations through Cody's bookstore)."
Editorial comment: Will US foreign policy continue to be directed by AIPAC under Hillary Clinton? All the candidates need to be asked if they have accepted donations from foreign agencies and lobbies like AIPAC. It is time to join with the Jewish peace activists here and in Israel, and not fear the Lukid zionist backlash of AIPAC. Israelis are deeply divided over war and peace issues; we simply don't get their news past the US corporate media censors.
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Posted by: solrev on Sep 10, 2007 1:21 PM
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People get ready there's a train a comin
I hear the train a comin' it's rolling round the bend
So bye-bye, miss American pie
The battle for Iraq is for a lot more than oil and you are expendable.
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Posted by: umrayya on Sep 10, 2007 1:56 PM
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The story that Iraq's history is one of centuries of deep-seated ethno-sectarian conflict, and that therefore Iraq's fracture into three warring groups was an inevitable result of the removal of Saddam Hussein's regime has no basis in reality. The claim that Iraq is an inherently non-viable entity consisting of three distinct geo-ethno-sectarian bodies who have detested and slaughtered each other for centuries, and that the nation was only held together by the iron fist of Saddam is a falsehood that by incessant repetition over at least a decade, has become "received truth". To challenge this "received truth" one could begin by asking how Iraq managed to not only hold together but become well known for its people's strong sense of national identity during the half century or so of statehood that constitutes most of its history before Saddam's iron fist supposedly started holding it together.
This is an interesting question particularly because compared to the relatively politically stable years of Saddam's rule the earlier decades were a period of great political instability and regular upheaval, and yet Iraq did not show any signs of flying apart along geo-ethno-sectarian or any other lines. On the contrary, as Iraq historian Reidar Visser shows in his book,
Basra, the Failed Gulf State: Separatism and Nationalism in Southern Iraq, an early attempt by Iraqis at separatism was not based on ethno-sectarian considerations at all, but on political and economic ones. Furthermore, as Visser shows, Iraqi nationalism ultimately prevailed.
This is much too large a subject to address in any real detail here. I strongly recommend taking a good look at Visser's site, and some of the articles he has written. It will open some eyes to an Iraqi reality that very few Americans have any idea of.
It is also worth considering that the original issues that led to the creation of the Shi'ite sect were not over issues of religious doctrine or practice, but over politics. To be specific it was over who should succeed Mohammad as leader of the Muslims.
I will end this comment by pointing out that, rather than being some kind of uncharacteristic anomaly as it was presented in the media, Iraqis' reaction to their soccer team's victory in the Asia Cup was a true reflection of their natural feeling of nationalism and national pride. That win engendered enormous joy and pride in Iraqis of all kinds, everywhere, including in Kurdistan, where a number of Kurds were arrested for waving the Iraqi flag. (Oh yes, did you know that the separatist "government" of Kurdistan has made it a crime to display the Iraqi flag?)
Iraqis' natural habit and inclination is not toward division, but toward nationalism. The polls referred to by Ra'ed and Joshua illustrate that, as does the reaction to the soccer victory. It has taken years of unrelenting pressure from some very powerful forces to gradually drive Iraqis into this state of conflict. It should be obvious that the longer the United States stays in Iraq the more difficult it will become for Iraqis to repair their nation and their society.
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Meanwhile, just for comparison, 'reputable news sources' like AP continue to run statements like this:
"Bush not only wanted to rid Iraq of weapons of mass destruction and overthrow a brutal dictator but to create a shining pro-Western democracy in the heart of the Arab world."
Ah - Bush deliberately lied about WMDs, and went in to set up a puppet client state that would give control of the oil, water and electricity to his and Cheney's cronies at Halliburton, Exxon, Chevron, BP, and Shell, to name a few.
The AP sums things up like this:
"Michael O'Hanlon, a Brookings Institution military analyst who has criticized the administration's post-invasion tactics but who saw signs of military progress during a recent tour of Iraq, cites "momentum that I think is real."
The Brookings Institute is also the home of Kenneth Pollack, the author of the NYT-Bestselling "Threatening Storm" put put by Random House in 2002 - the ideological basis of the Bush -Cheney invasion, quoted extensively, cheered endlessly, and total rubbish - slick pro-war propaganda with 'definitive proof' of Iraqi WMDs, etc. (He removed that book from his 'selected publications', and now its on to:"
"The Threat from Iran," Pollack Testimony before the House Armed Services Committee (9/29/05)
There are endless examples of corporate media malfeasance - the whole corporate media business is just rotten propaganda written by smirking liars.
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Posted by: etisoppa on Sep 10, 2007 4:05 PM
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The U.S. military it launched airstrikes against local police buildings ≠ Shiite nationalists.
Hence the US policy is as per Bilderberg Vienna 1979, a Balkanization of sorts. They, in their minds, want an Iraq weak enough or not coherent enough, but not so weak as to be a failed state harbouring radicals with impunity, and still capable of having an infrastructure that can deliver the oil.
"Bombing police buildings" show they are supporting the separatist over the nationalist.
Look and learn all those who dear to deride the Conspiracy Facts and the subterfuging fig leaf covers of the Conspirators.. At best it is a case of diverging or conflicting objectives.
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The benchmark that requires the Iraqi government to pass the hydrocarbon law puts control of all untapped Iraqi oil reserves into the hands of multinational oil companies. These companies would receive 80 percent of the revenue, the Iraqis 20 percent under what's called a production sharing agreement. These agreements are binding typically for 25 to 40 years. They're likely having a difficult time figuring out how to divvy up the spoils of their oil reserves and explain to their constituencies why they gave away the lion's share of their oil wealth.
All the administration*s and Congressmen*s talk about our prematurely leaving Iraq to sectarian civil war and violence has, in my opinion, little to do with democracy or humanitarian concerns and everything to do with who eventually gets to control the OIL. That is the true *Operation Iraqi Liberation* as it was originally called. It seems to me that the administration*s desired benchmark that has not been met but cannot be openly talked about is having the Iraqi parliament pass the hydrocarbon law that requires them to give away most of their oil. On Iraqi politician said, way back in May, "We're afraid the U.S. will make us pass this new oil law through intimidation and threatening. We don't want it to pass, and we know it'll make things worse, but we're afraid to rise up and block it, because we don't want to be bombed and arrested the next day." (Quotation from an Alternet article on Iraq)
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» RE: Talk about hubris - and with a touch of orientalism to go along with it!
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» pundits (and others) on typewriters (keyboards)........
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» RE: pundits (and others) on typewriters (keyboards)........
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» RE: pundits (and others) on typewriters (keyboards).....I may very well be wrong but.....
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» What the People Want
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» RE: What the People Want....Yes....
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» BTW....I certainly defer to your evident first hand knowledge and expertise....
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» RE: What the People Want? Here's A suggestion
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Posted by: etisoppa on Sep 12, 2007 7:41 PM
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Any way, some time ago I made a suggestion that what Iraq really meads now is a national town meeting, held on tv radio, newspapers, where these issues are thrashed out, with the grass-roots voting and commenting using text messaging, so that everyone understands what the grassroots, the REAL people want, and what is the strength of their numbers. I think they may need this as a catharsis and for their "political leaders".
I sent my suggestion to the Iraq Foundation in Washington, to Ms Pelosi in the Congress, to Mr. Al Hanooti of FAAIR in Dearborn MI; not a reply much less a follow-up or implementaion. Now I kind of know why.
If anyone else thinks it is a good idea and want to run with it please feel free.
Do you think the ( Bush) US would oppose this?
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Posted by: Aramis on Sep 15, 2007 4:47 PM
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This was never about any kind of western style “democracy”. Not from an Iraqi standpoint and certainly not from a corporate run Big Oil western invasion standpoint.
There are some decent marginal points in this article but no cigar. Also, much of what is covered is so vague or conflicted as to be a distraction.
Real Iraqis are fighting to get “neocon”-Zionist run foreign invaders (along with local Iraqi/Saudi western stooges) out of their nation. And out of the trillions plus Big Oil wealth that was motive for faux “war on terror” from the start.
The mention of so-called “al-Qaeda” as some serious presence in Iraq is an eye-roller. No proof for this. Al-Qaeda was put together and funded by CIA and House of Saud oil cash. (Follow the money)
Like Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kuwait and others, Iraq is now hardly more than a bloody puppet garrison state for the ultra-corrupt. It will remain so until western corporate proxies are cleared out.
– Don’t hold your breath over that one –
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Add this :
The Iraqi oil under this law would be divided among Exxon, Royal Dutch Shell,etc. Rockefeller owns more or less Exxon and the queen of the Netherlands, -Beatrix- has the most shares in Shell Oil. They're both members of the Bilderburg group, a group striving for a new world order!! Both companies are supporting the Iraq war financially. Bilderburg and the Neocons are destroying our democracy.
and there you have it: why Bush/Cheney will not leave Iraq: The true Bush/Cheney goal requires the Iraqi government to pass the hydrocarbon law putting control of all untapped Iraqi oil reserves into the hands of multinational oil companies--otherwise known as: Occupation Iraqi Liberation or O I L.
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Posted by: vox persona on Sep 10, 2007 1:34 AM
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Welcome to the 21st century.
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Posted by: JayMagoo on Sep 10, 2007 3:35 AM
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America, the most noble experiment in Democracy in history is being perverted and misused by the sleezy little grasping minds of Bush and Cheney to simply and blatantly steal the resources of another country. It's a disgrace!
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Posted by: Michael Boldin on Sep 10, 2007 5:04 AM
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But, the reality is just the opposite. Wars give the politicians more and more power - and we have less freedom, less democracy, less security and less prosperity.....every single time.
The article is spot on - we fight for the power and profits of just a few at the top of our society. Dennis Kucinich has been speaking out on this for some time too...and I hope more and more will start listening.
Some good follow up reading if you're interested:
"Revealed: Why Your Sons and Daughters Died in Iraq" - click here
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» Mike, I read your link. The ultimate value of untapped oil reserves is crucial to US motives.
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» RE: Why we fight......Michael, wouldn't it be nice if Alternet would cover what Kucinich says?
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» Yep. (nm)
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Posted by: Paxmana1 on Sep 10, 2007 5:29 AM
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A million Iraqi's slaughtered .. Palestinian Children slaughtered and the people herded into Gulags where the monsters can control them easier and allow the theft of their ancestral lands .. the whole middle east is aflame .. who is to blame? ..
These maniacs are now actively pursuing Nuclear War with Iran .. a country that does not yet have the capability to produce a Nuclear weapon and even if they did .. they understand the Cold War Doctrine of Mutual Assured Destruction or MAD as its acronym. The Iranians were civilised whilst we still ran around dressed in wolf skins and carrying clubs.
The rest of the world understands who it is that controls the white house and the military .. a bunch of nutters who have the gall to state that they were chosen by God .. all of the unrest in the middle east was deliberately fostered.
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Posted by: mbrock on Sep 10, 2007 5:34 AM
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The simple reason for nearly every Bush decision made regarding the middle east is simple: Turmoil inflates the price of crude oil and the Americans who produce about 5 million barrels a day of crude on American soil profiit from it. In 1998 the price of oil was 1/6th what it is today. American oil producers (including Western Kansas farmers with a well or two on the north 40) are cashing in on the fact that a country with the second or third largest proven oil reserves in the world has been put out of the oil business. It adds up to about a billion dollars every three days JUST FROM SELLING OIL!
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SEPT. 5, 2007 - MARKEY APPALLED AT UNPRECEDENTED AIR FORCE NUKE LOSS http://markey.house.gov/index.php?option=
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WASHINGTON, D.C. – Representative Edward J. Markey (D-MA), a senior member of the House Homeland Security Committee and the co-chair of the House Bipartisan Task Force on Non-Proliferation, expressed outrage today at reports that the Air Force mistakenly loaded five nuclear warheads on a B52 bomber for a cross-country flight. The warheads should have been removed from the Advanced Cruise Missiles before they were transported to their decommissioning site. According to reports, no one in the Air Force, including the B52 pilots, knew the whereabouts of the warheads until the bomber landed over three hours later.
“Nuclear weapons are the most sensitive and dangerous items that exist in the world. It is absolutely inexcusable that the Air Force lost track of these five nuclear warheads, even for a short period of time,” said Rep. Markey
“Nothing like this has ever been reported before and we have been assured for decades that it was impossible. The complete breakdown of the Air Force command and control over enough nuclear weapons to destroy several cities has frightening implications not only for the Air Force, but for the security of our entire nuclear weapons stockpile.
“This frightening incident highlights that the Bush administration’s plan to design and build a new arsenal of nuclear warheads is dangerous, especially when we can’t keep track of the warheads we already have. We should put the breaks on the President’s program for new nuclear weapons, and solve the daunting challenges posed by those weapons we already own,” concluded Markey.
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
September 5, 2007 CONTACT: Jessica Schafer, 202.225.2836
U.S. Air Force Statement on B-52 Nuclear Incident at Minot
Lt Col Edward Thomas http://www.fas.org/blog/ssp/united_states/usaf090607.pdf
Chief, Current Operations
Air Force Public Affairs
September 6, 2007
[Reproduced by Hans M. Kristensen, Federation of American Scientists.
Obtained from USAF Public Affairs, September 6, 2007]
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» Your post is frightening indeed and cause for alarm. A nuclear war with Iran is to be avoided.
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Posted by: duck-lady on Sep 10, 2007 8:43 AM
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Please stop perpetuating the myth of the low death count. The British medical journal, Lancet, has published an estimate of 655,000 "excess deaths" since the U.S. led invasion of Iraq. Unlike other estimates from the U.S. and Iraq, this is the only one that used the very reliable statistical method called cluster sampling to produce the estimates. This technique is widely used in war zones and is only being ignored this time because we are the cause of the deaths. If you had read the research you would know that the great majority of the deaths are substantiated with death certificates.
Please stop letting the conservatives frame all the issues. The Iraqi death toll is obscenely high. Let's not be afraid to report that.
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» Glad to hear your so careful, Josh, read this..... brits say its now closer to 1.2 million...
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Posted by: sausage on Sep 10, 2007 9:38 AM
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That the war against the late Iraqi dictator, Saddam Hussein, and subsequent and continuing occupation, was a grab for the country's oil wealth should have been obvious to all. It was plain as the nose on George W. Bush's face the day American forces enter downtown Baghdad and occupied the oil minestry building. Meanwhile letting 7,000 years of Mesopotamian, not to mention the roots of Western, civilization go out the front door of the Iraq National Museum in looters' hands with Donald Rumsfeld shrugging it off as "stuff happens" and "what free people do."
And I always thought it curious that we, meaning the belligerent, retarded giant that is the USA, labeled Muqtada al-Sadr an outlaw even though the Sadr family were opponents of Saddam. But this essay makes clear what was not made clear in 2003: Muqtada al-Sadr as a nationalist would never agree to the privatization of Iraq's oil industry. And all along I have said that in George W. Bush's eyes, and that of his major corporate backers, Saddam Hussein's crime was not allowing the privatzation of the Iraqi oil industry by the IMF and World Bank.
Certainly privatizing Iraq's petroleum industry would benefit the late Iraqi dictator's Persian Gulf creditors and Western oil companies. But it would not stem violence aimed at the central government or Americans in Iraq, the recent history of Nigeria and its oil war tells us this.
The retarded giant which is the USA should take a clue from our oldest and closest puppets, the government of Mexico. Since the 1980s the Mexican government has gone on a privatization spree. Dictator Porfirio Diaz was overthrown because he, for all practical purposes, was gving Mexico away to America corporate interests. Now ownership of Mexican industries by American corporations at almost back to pre-revolution levels. Except Pemex, the Mexican state-owned oil industry. The puppet presidents of Mexico know that if Pemex is ever privatized there will be a new revolution.
But yet the retarded giant, USA, insists on continuing down the privatization road in Iraq.
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Articles like this are why I come to Alternet. Thanks for the good read.
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» Precisely Correct! When the love of money dominates ... overpopulation is the result
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Posted by: PakiBoy on Sep 10, 2007 10:26 AM
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US will attack Iran 'cause your intellectual Chomsky says so:
"Yes, I was quite sceptical. Less so over the years. They're desperate. Everything they touch is in ruins. They're even in danger of losing control over Middle Eastern oil -- to China, the topic that's rarely discussed but is on every planner or corporation exec's mind, if they're sane. Iran already has observer status at the Shanghai Cooperation Organization -- from which the US was pointedly excluded. Chinese trade with Saudi Arabia, even military sales, is growing fast. With the Bush administration in danger of losing Shiite Iraq, where most of the oil is (and most Saudi oil in regions with a harshly oppressed Shiite population), they may be in real trouble.
Under these circumstances, they're unpredictable. They might go for broke, and hope they can salvage something from the wreckage. If they do bomb, I suspect it will be accompanied by a ground assault in Khuzestan, near the Gulf, where the oil is (and an Arab population -- there already is an Ahwazi liberation front, probably organized by the CIA, which the US can "defend" from the evil Persians), and then they can bomb the rest of the country to rubble. And show who's boss."
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USA, this is what's going to be part of the new norm in the new Third World!
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Posted by: herbal on Sep 10, 2007 1:21 PM
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For peace activists there is no more urgent issue than AIPAC to understand better, the role of religion in the perpetuation of this war, the pro-war lobby.
See these:
1) Hillary addressing AIPAC (3 min.):
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVWagtd8uwM&mode=related&search=
Hillary's "No options left on the table..." nuclear threat.
2) Then consider the company she keeps at AIPAC:
Rev. Hagee the self-described Christian Zionist. rapture cultist: www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDRxmqOn7x4&mode=related&search=
3) www.beyondiraq.com "Dr. Mike Evans" site for the AIPAC, Christian Zionism, 'Rapture' Iraq bloody propaganda.
All this is ignored by the mainstream and alternative media, partly because of the sensitivity of being called anti-semitic (see Rabbi Lerner below).
The impasse in Israel is the underlying cause of the Iraq invasion and the push to bomb Iran. Our best hope is to support the movement among American and Israeli Jewish peace activists for comprehensive and lasting results.
"The Israel Lobby (excerpt from Tikkun newsletter)
"In this Issue Tikkun Editor Rabbi Michael Lerner responds to the recent publication of The Israel Lobby by John Walt and Stephen Mearsheimer by giving an in-depth analysis of one of the most important issues in U.S. politics today: The power of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) to control the relationship between the United States and Israel.
"He comes to one conclusion: AIPAC is bad for the Jews, bad for the U.S., and bad for the world and he tells why.
This is not only a Jewish issue. Lerner presents ideas for how the Network of Spiritual Progressives can become the interfaith alternative to the Israel Lobby and shows that it can only do so with the help of non-Jews as well as Jews.
"Walt and Mearsheimer will be speaking at a series of Tikkun forums. The first will be held September 19th in Berkeley, California at 2345 Channing Way at 7:00 p.m. (reservations through Cody's bookstore)."
Editorial comment: Will US foreign policy continue to be directed by AIPAC under Hillary Clinton? All the candidates need to be asked if they have accepted donations from foreign agencies and lobbies like AIPAC. It is time to join with the Jewish peace activists here and in Israel, and not fear the Lukid zionist backlash of AIPAC. Israelis are deeply divided over war and peace issues; we simply don't get their news past the US corporate media censors.
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Posted by: solrev on Sep 10, 2007 1:21 PM
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People get ready there's a train a comin
I hear the train a comin' it's rolling round the bend
So bye-bye, miss American pie
The battle for Iraq is for a lot more than oil and you are expendable.
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Posted by: umrayya on Sep 10, 2007 1:56 PM
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The story that Iraq's history is one of centuries of deep-seated ethno-sectarian conflict, and that therefore Iraq's fracture into three warring groups was an inevitable result of the removal of Saddam Hussein's regime has no basis in reality. The claim that Iraq is an inherently non-viable entity consisting of three distinct geo-ethno-sectarian bodies who have detested and slaughtered each other for centuries, and that the nation was only held together by the iron fist of Saddam is a falsehood that by incessant repetition over at least a decade, has become "received truth". To challenge this "received truth" one could begin by asking how Iraq managed to not only hold together but become well known for its people's strong sense of national identity during the half century or so of statehood that constitutes most of its history before Saddam's iron fist supposedly started holding it together.
This is an interesting question particularly because compared to the relatively politically stable years of Saddam's rule the earlier decades were a period of great political instability and regular upheaval, and yet Iraq did not show any signs of flying apart along geo-ethno-sectarian or any other lines. On the contrary, as Iraq historian Reidar Visser shows in his book,
Basra, the Failed Gulf State: Separatism and Nationalism in Southern Iraq, an early attempt by Iraqis at separatism was not based on ethno-sectarian considerations at all, but on political and economic ones. Furthermore, as Visser shows, Iraqi nationalism ultimately prevailed.
This is much too large a subject to address in any real detail here. I strongly recommend taking a good look at Visser's site, and some of the articles he has written. It will open some eyes to an Iraqi reality that very few Americans have any idea of.
It is also worth considering that the original issues that led to the creation of the Shi'ite sect were not over issues of religious doctrine or practice, but over politics. To be specific it was over who should succeed Mohammad as leader of the Muslims.
I will end this comment by pointing out that, rather than being some kind of uncharacteristic anomaly as it was presented in the media, Iraqis' reaction to their soccer team's victory in the Asia Cup was a true reflection of their natural feeling of nationalism and national pride. That win engendered enormous joy and pride in Iraqis of all kinds, everywhere, including in Kurdistan, where a number of Kurds were arrested for waving the Iraqi flag. (Oh yes, did you know that the separatist "government" of Kurdistan has made it a crime to display the Iraqi flag?)
Iraqis' natural habit and inclination is not toward division, but toward nationalism. The polls referred to by Ra'ed and Joshua illustrate that, as does the reaction to the soccer victory. It has taken years of unrelenting pressure from some very powerful forces to gradually drive Iraqis into this state of conflict. It should be obvious that the longer the United States stays in Iraq the more difficult it will become for Iraqis to repair their nation and their society.
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Posted by: dajson on Sep 10, 2007 3:32 PM
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Sep 10, 2007 3:48 PM
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Meanwhile, just for comparison, 'reputable news sources' like AP continue to run statements like this:
"Bush not only wanted to rid Iraq of weapons of mass destruction and overthrow a brutal dictator but to create a shining pro-Western democracy in the heart of the Arab world."
Ah - Bush deliberately lied about WMDs, and went in to set up a puppet client state that would give control of the oil, water and electricity to his and Cheney's cronies at Halliburton, Exxon, Chevron, BP, and Shell, to name a few.
The AP sums things up like this:
"Michael O'Hanlon, a Brookings Institution military analyst who has criticized the administration's post-invasion tactics but who saw signs of military progress during a recent tour of Iraq, cites "momentum that I think is real."
The Brookings Institute is also the home of Kenneth Pollack, the author of the NYT-Bestselling "Threatening Storm" put put by Random House in 2002 - the ideological basis of the Bush -Cheney invasion, quoted extensively, cheered endlessly, and total rubbish - slick pro-war propaganda with 'definitive proof' of Iraqi WMDs, etc. (He removed that book from his 'selected publications', and now its on to:"
"The Threat from Iran," Pollack Testimony before the House Armed Services Committee (9/29/05)
There are endless examples of corporate media malfeasance - the whole corporate media business is just rotten propaganda written by smirking liars.
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Posted by: etisoppa on Sep 10, 2007 4:05 PM
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The U.S. military it launched airstrikes against local police buildings ≠ Shiite nationalists.
Hence the US policy is as per Bilderberg Vienna 1979, a Balkanization of sorts. They, in their minds, want an Iraq weak enough or not coherent enough, but not so weak as to be a failed state harbouring radicals with impunity, and still capable of having an infrastructure that can deliver the oil.
"Bombing police buildings" show they are supporting the separatist over the nationalist.
Look and learn all those who dear to deride the Conspiracy Facts and the subterfuging fig leaf covers of the Conspirators.. At best it is a case of diverging or conflicting objectives.
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Posted by: Christie on Sep 10, 2007 7:22 PM
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The benchmark that requires the Iraqi government to pass the hydrocarbon law puts control of all untapped Iraqi oil reserves into the hands of multinational oil companies. These companies would receive 80 percent of the revenue, the Iraqis 20 percent under what's called a production sharing agreement. These agreements are binding typically for 25 to 40 years. They're likely having a difficult time figuring out how to divvy up the spoils of their oil reserves and explain to their constituencies why they gave away the lion's share of their oil wealth.
All the administration*s and Congressmen*s talk about our prematurely leaving Iraq to sectarian civil war and violence has, in my opinion, little to do with democracy or humanitarian concerns and everything to do with who eventually gets to control the OIL. That is the true *Operation Iraqi Liberation* as it was originally called. It seems to me that the administration*s desired benchmark that has not been met but cannot be openly talked about is having the Iraqi parliament pass the hydrocarbon law that requires them to give away most of their oil. On Iraqi politician said, way back in May, "We're afraid the U.S. will make us pass this new oil law through intimidation and threatening. We don't want it to pass, and we know it'll make things worse, but we're afraid to rise up and block it, because we don't want to be bombed and arrested the next day." (Quotation from an Alternet article on Iraq)
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Posted by: Dboy on Sep 10, 2007 7:38 PM
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» RE: Talk about hubris - and with a touch of orientalism to go along with it!
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» RE: pundits (and others) on typewriters (keyboards).....I may very well be wrong but.....
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» What the People Want
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Posted by: etisoppa on Sep 12, 2007 7:41 PM
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Any way, some time ago I made a suggestion that what Iraq really meads now is a national town meeting, held on tv radio, newspapers, where these issues are thrashed out, with the grass-roots voting and commenting using text messaging, so that everyone understands what the grassroots, the REAL people want, and what is the strength of their numbers. I think they may need this as a catharsis and for their "political leaders".
I sent my suggestion to the Iraq Foundation in Washington, to Ms Pelosi in the Congress, to Mr. Al Hanooti of FAAIR in Dearborn MI; not a reply much less a follow-up or implementaion. Now I kind of know why.
If anyone else thinks it is a good idea and want to run with it please feel free.
Do you think the ( Bush) US would oppose this?
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Posted by: Aramis on Sep 15, 2007 4:47 PM
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This was never about any kind of western style “democracy”. Not from an Iraqi standpoint and certainly not from a corporate run Big Oil western invasion standpoint.
There are some decent marginal points in this article but no cigar. Also, much of what is covered is so vague or conflicted as to be a distraction.
Real Iraqis are fighting to get “neocon”-Zionist run foreign invaders (along with local Iraqi/Saudi western stooges) out of their nation. And out of the trillions plus Big Oil wealth that was motive for faux “war on terror” from the start.
The mention of so-called “al-Qaeda” as some serious presence in Iraq is an eye-roller. No proof for this. Al-Qaeda was put together and funded by CIA and House of Saud oil cash. (Follow the money)
Like Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kuwait and others, Iraq is now hardly more than a bloody puppet garrison state for the ultra-corrupt. It will remain so until western corporate proxies are cleared out.
– Don’t hold your breath over that one –
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Posted by: Christie on Sep 15, 2007 5:06 PM
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Add this :
The Iraqi oil under this law would be divided among Exxon, Royal Dutch Shell,etc. Rockefeller owns more or less Exxon and the queen of the Netherlands, -Beatrix- has the most shares in Shell Oil. They're both members of the Bilderburg group, a group striving for a new world order!! Both companies are supporting the Iraq war financially. Bilderburg and the Neocons are destroying our democracy.
and there you have it: why Bush/Cheney will not leave Iraq: The true Bush/Cheney goal requires the Iraqi government to pass the hydrocarbon law putting control of all untapped Iraqi oil reserves into the hands of multinational oil companies--otherwise known as: Occupation Iraqi Liberation or O I L.
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