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The Great Plastic Bag Plague
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They are an urban tumbleweed, a flag of the consumer era.
Each year across the world some 500 billion plastic bags are used, and only a tiny fraction of them are recycled. Most of them will have a short lifetime with a consumer -- they'll be used for the few minutes it takes to get from the store to home and then they're thrown away.
But what does "away" really mean? Plastic shopping bags can last up to a thousand years in a landfill. In the environment, they break down into tiny, toxic particles that become part of the soil and water. Fortunately, some communities in America have started taking serious action.
Stephanie Barger has seen what washes up on the shores of Southern California. The executive director of Earth Resource Foundation, Barger has helped clean up the sands of Orange County and has helped educate people about the effects of a society that embraces disposability.
For every bag, there's a cost. Environment California reports that plastic bags, and other plastic refuse that end up in the ocean, kill up to one million sea creatures every year, such as birds, whales, seals, sea turtles, and others. And the number of marine mammals that die each year because of eating or being entanglement in plastic is estimated at 100,000 in the North Pacific Ocean alone.
The Algalita Marine Research Foundation learned that "broken, degraded plastic pieces outweigh surface zooplankton in the central North Pacific by a factor of 6-1. That means six pounds of plastic for every single pound of zooplankton." Which means, when birds and sea animals or looking for food -- more often, they are finding plastic.
Our history with plastic bags is short but significant. The Film and Bag Federation, an industry group, reports that plastic sandwich bags were unveiled in 1957 and quickly became a part of our routine, with department stores adopting plastic shopping bags in the late '70s and supermarkets employing them by the early '80s.
Although bags are given out free these days, they are not without their costs. Retailers in the United States spend $4 billion a year on plastic bags, which gets passed on to customers as higher prices.
A global problem
According to Vincent Coob, founder of reusablebags.com, about 500 billion to 1 trillion plastic bags are used worldwide every year and are causing a global epidemic. The enormous demand for plastic bags ties into the surging global demand for oil -- plastic bags are made from ethylene, a petroleum byproduct. In the United States alone, an estimated 12 million barrels of oil is used annually to make plastic bags that Americans consume.
"Eliminating the use of disposable plastic bags is about more than just the environment," said Barger, "it is about health, sustainability, economics and focusing on what kind of quality of life we want."
A growing list of communities and countries are beginning to rethink their dependence on plastic bags. Already a complete or partial ban on the bags has been approved in Australia, South Africa, parts of India, China, Italy, Bangladesh and Taiwan.
Africa has seen an increasing problem with bags as Environmental News Network reports, "South Africa was once producing 7 billion bags a year; Somaliland residents became so used to them they renamed them "flowers of Hargeisa" after their capital; and Kenya not so long ago churned out about 4,000 tons of polythene bags a month."
In Asia, the bags were banned in 2002 in Bangladesh after they were considered to be major factors in blocking sewers and drains and contributing to the severe flooding that devastated the country in 1988 and 1998.
Taking a different route, in 2002, Ireland imposed a 15-cent tax on bags, which led to a rapid 90 percent reduction in use. Ireland uses the tax to help fund other environmental initiatives. Bags are also taxed in Sweden and Germany, and are set to be banned outright in Paris this year.
In the United States, Californians Against Waste estimate that Americans consume 84 billion plastic bags annually. The United States has been slow out of the gate in addressing the growing problem with plastic, but recently momentum has started for positive change.
Currently 30 rural Alaskan villages and towns have banned plastic bags. And in March the city of San Francisco became the first major municipality to ban the use of plastic bags, and nearby Oakland has followed suit, but not without controversy and litigation from industry groups.
Californians themselves discard about 19 billion bags each year. Over the years a growing coalition of environmental and consumer groups have been pushing for the state to take action.
This summer their work resulted in the passage of Assembly Bill 2449, which requires all supermarkets, pharmacies and other large retail stores to provide bins to help consumers recycle.
While this is a step in the right direction, many who have been aggressive on the issue, see the law as a disappointment. "It is basically just fluff -- most big stores already have the recycling bins," said Barger.
Bryan Early, who works for the Sacramento-based Californians Against Waste, admitted the legislation was a compromise. With pressure from the grocery and plastics industries, the law includes a provision that takes away the rights of municipalities to put a tax on bags the way Ireland did.
Hence, San Francisco and Oakland's push to ban the bags entirely.
But the devil is in the details. The Oakland legislation (which would go into effect in January) requires large markets to use bags made of recyclable paper or "bioplastics" -- bags made from compostable materials like cornstarch.
But a supermarket trade group calling itself the Coalition to Support Plastic Bag Recycling has sued, saying that the ban in Oakland and San Francisco conflict with the state law requiring stores to have bag recycling programs.
The group argues that compostable bags and petroleum-based bags would be confused by consumers and the compostable bags would contaminate the plastics bags during the recycling process.
"We are wasting energy fighting about disposable bags," said Barger, "when we should be putting energy into educating people about reusable bags."
Alternatives vs. the solutions
While lawyers will hash out the details in Oakland, there is a lot we can do as consumer and advocates -- some approaches are better than others.
Compostable or bioplastic bags may seem like a good solution to the typical plastic ones, but Barger believes they are more of an alternative -- not a solution.
The bioplastics may be made from natural products, but they also may contain a whole bunch of chemicals we don't know about, said Barger. And since most of them will come from corn or soy, they'll also mean more use of farmland laden with petroleum-based pesticides and fertilizers and the same environmental and energy costs to truck the bags to market.
And, while the bags may not last a thousand years, they do break down slower than regular compost and could last up to six or eight months in the environment -- threatening wildlife just the same.
"Bioplastics is really just replacing one problem for another and doesn't address what is wrong with our throw-away culture," said Barger.
Neither paper nor plastic
Which brings us to the "paper or plastic" question. The best answer is really neither. Paper bags have their own environmental cost. According to Vincent Coob, 14 million trees were cut down in 1999 to produce 10 billion grocery bags for Americans. The production and shipping of the bags also contributes to global warming and air pollution.
The best alternative Barger and Early agree, are reusable bags and education -- lots of it. By purchasing a reusable cloth bag, consumers can save hundreds and perhaps thousands of plastic or paper bags.
If you can't afford one, then reusing a plastic bag for as long as possible and then recycling it (if you are lucky to live in California or the few other places that offer the service) is the best bet.
It is also important, Barger says, to educate grocery store managers and ask them to talk to their employees.
Political pressure helps, too. Ask your elected officials to consider legislation to impose bag taxes or bag bans.
Probably the best thing we can do, though, is change our behavior as consumers and begin valuing durability instead of disposability. "There is a crisis happening right now," said Barger. "We have got to stop the flow of plastic today. People really want some organization to fix this problem. But we are the only people that can fix it."
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Posted by: american on Sep 5, 2007 5:19 AM
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The writer mentions $4 billion is spent annually on plastic bags - this, I agree is an atrocious waste. Do you know what else, though, Americans spend an average of 2% on "interchange fees" charged directly to merchants for credit card transactions? These fees, of course are passed directly on to us. With the Bush economy and the majority of people using credit cards/debit cards all of the time, this represents about - assuming the use of credit cards of one variety or another for three quarters of all transactions - 200 billion dollars per year (in the neighborhood of half the cost of the Iraq war over five years). This is on top of interest and is money that could be better - way better - used elsewhere, including the environment.
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Posted by: maxpayne on Sep 5, 2007 6:21 AM
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P.S.: Thanks to all who put the word out on hemp for plastics. If I recall, hemp is biodegradable though the government not only treats it as a "dangerous drug", it also makes it nearly impossible for biodegradable plastic to go anywhere in our "free" market.
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Posted by: workerbee on Sep 5, 2007 7:42 AM
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But that doesn't answer the question about plastic garbage bags. What do we do about those? What other ways are there to dispose of garbage? Not all towns have/allow cans -- or treat them kindly enough that you can use them for more than a few months.
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Sep 5, 2007 8:11 AM
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The use of fossil fuels is warming and destabilizing the climate, and is already causing severe crop losses in many parts of the country. Meanwhile, American 'consumers' continue to stuff their bags, paper or plastic, with energy intensive meat, processed food packaged three times in both plastic, paper and carboard, and so on.
If you stuff your consumables into paper bags, you're participating in deforestation (yes hemp is a great idea - but politicians still refuse to allow hemp cultivation - and even then, hemp could be better used for cloth production for clothing, not disposables). If you use plastic, you're still participating in disposable American culture.
The real issue is so much bigger than paper vs. plastic - it's the use of renewables (solar, wind, fossil-fuel free organic agriculture) in a resource limited reality, vs. the use of fossil fuels in an 'endless frontier' pipe dream.
How do we want to hang ourselves? Paper-based rope or plastic-based rope? Think carefully...
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Posted by: seamus on Sep 5, 2007 8:21 AM
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I'm glad to say that the plastic bag tax has gone up to 22c here.
Why the rest of the world hasn't followed our lead is a bit of a mystery.
When I was in Africa there were big piles of rubbish that are usually eaten by animals; sensibly enough they don't eat plastic bags so they are bits of them flying around everywhere.
I used to drink out of plastic bottles as the local water isnt so good but even they can be recycled by giving them to poor children or for use in horticulture.
Plastic bags are just absolute rubbish. They're not even free; mostly the cost is factored into the price of everything you buy.
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Dr. Theo Colborn, who has written and lectured widely on the human health and environmental threat posed by endocrine disruptors and other industrially-produced chemicals at low concentrations in the environment. Bisphenol A (BPA), a plastic monomer used widely in the production of materials to package food, in plastics that are rapidly replacing steel, and as a fire retardant, has been found to have endocrine disrupting properties in every developing fetal system in which it has been tested, depending on stage of exposure and dose. Listen to an interview of her below:
Go here: ( http://www.chicagopublicradio.org/Program_WV_Series.aspx ); Click on: "End of the World"; Click on: "Better Infertility Through Chemistry".
Better Infertility Through Chemistry - Release date: 8/28/2007
Imagine if you caught a male fish in Lake Michigan, cut it open expecting to find its gonads... and instead found eggs!
Dr. Theo Colburn is the founder and president of The Endocrine Disruption Exchange, she's been a consultant and researcher for many governmental and non-governmental organizations over her career.
Dr. Colburn served on the EPA's Science Advisory Board until 2002. She directed the World Wildlife's Contaminants program for 10 years.
Her research has discovered the pervasiveness of endocrine-disrupting chemicals, especially in plastic-based-products.
The book she co-author in 1996, 'Our Stolen Future' prompted the enactment of new research and regulations in the U.S. around the world.
Dr. Theo Colburn is now the president of the "Endocrine Disruption Exchange" and explains what "Endocrine Disruption" is...
Download here: ( http://audio.wbez.org/wv/2007/08/wv_20070828b.mp3 )
Listen here: ( http://audio.wbez.org/wv/2007/08/wv_20070828b.m3u )
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( http://www.ourstolenfuture.com/index.htm )
The book: 'Our Stolen Future' brought world-wide attention to scientific discoveries about endocrine disruption and the fact that common contaminants can interfere with the natural signals controlling development of the fetus. This website tracks the most recent developments.
( http://www.endocrinedisruption.com/ )
The Endocrine Disruption Exchange, Inc is the only international organization that focuses primarily on the human health and environmental problems caused by low-dose and/or ambient exposure to chemicals that interfere with development and function, called endocrine disruptors.
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It was on our way home, after finishing the Los Angeles-to-Hawaii sail race known as the Transpac, that my crew and I first caught sight of the trash, floating in one of the most remote regions of all the oceans. ...Trashed
Across the Pacific Ocean, Plastics, Plastics, Everywhere
Charles Moore, Natural History v.112, n.9, Nov03
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I often struggle to find words that will communicate the vastness of the Pacific Ocean to people who have never been to sea. Day after day, Alguita was the only vehicle on a highway without landmarks, stretching from horizon to horizon. Yet as I gazed from the deck at the surface of what ought to have been a pristine ocean, I was confronted, as far as the eye could see, with the sight of plastic.
It seemed unbelievable, but I never found a clear spot. In the week it took to cross the subtropical high, no matter what time of day I looked, plastic debris was floating everywhere: bottles, bottle caps, wrappers, fragments. Months later, after I discussed what I had seen with the oceanographer Curtis Ebbesmeyer, perhaps the world's leading expert on flotsam, he began referring to the area as the "eastern garbage patch." But "patch" doesn't begin to convey the reality. Ebbesmeyer has estimated that the area, nearly covered with floating plastic debris, is roughly the size of Texas.
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What we saw amazed us. We were looking at a rich broth of minute sea creatures mixed with hundreds of colored plastic fragments-a plastic-plankton soup. ...
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The trash vortex - GreenPeace
Chemical sponge
There is a sinister twist to all this as well. The plastics can act as a sort of “chemical sponge”. They can concentrate many of the most damaging of the pollutants found in the worlds oceans: the persistent organic pollutants (POPs). So any animal eating these pieces of plastic debris will also be taking in highly toxic pollutants.
The North Pacific gyre is one of five major ocean gyres and it is possible that this Trash Vortex problem is one which is present in other oceans as well. The Sargasso Sea is a well known slow circulation area in the Atlantic, and research there has also demonstrated high concentrations of plastic particles present in the water.
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Of course, not all plastic floats. In fact around 70 percent of discarded plastic sinks to the bottom. In the North Sea, Dutch scientists have counted around 110 pieces of litter for every square kilometre of the seabed, a staggering 600,000 tonnes in the North Sea alone.
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Sailing The Seas Of Trash
Vast Area Of Pacific Ocean Polluted With Plastic
"I have no doubt that some of these things that we're discovering out there have been there since the dawn of the plastic era in the 1950's," says Moore.
As plastic ages it crumbles, leaving so many tiny fragments that Moore found seawater in the Gyre contained more plastic than plankton, the tiny sea life that many ocean creatures feed on.
To jellyfish, the plastic particles seem like food.
"It's like putting them on a plastic diet," says Moore. "It becomes part of their tissue."
In his lab, Moore studies jellyfish embedded with plastic. ...
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Posted by: madhypnotist on Sep 5, 2007 8:53 AM
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PANIC ! PANIC! And now we are choking on plastic....
Genius......
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http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/plastic-bag-ban
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Not saying everyone should go buy new reusable bags, but I found that a compact bag that's easy to carry with me was easy to integrate into my lifestyle and easy to use, which means I actually do use it instead of forgetting it, leaving it in the car, etc.
I also highly recommend the Evert-Fresh produce bags. They greatly extend the useful life of fruits, vegetables, greens, herbs etc. and have almost eliminated food waste in my house.
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The cardboard tampon applicators, while not environmentally ideal, at least will decompose.
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Posted by: Crazy H on Sep 5, 2007 11:19 AM
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When a paper bag is dumped in a landfill and covered with other garbage, it stays dry and does not have access to light or oxygen. It doesn't degrade, it just sits there the same as a plastic bag.
Recycle, or better yet: bring in your own bags.
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Animal wastes cause 10 times more water pollution than the U. S. human population; the meat industry causes 3 times as much harmful organic water pollution than the rest of the nation's industries combined.
Meat producers are the number one industrial polluters in our nation, contributing to half the water pollution in the U.S. The water that goes into a thousand-pound steer could float a destroyer. It takes 25 gallons of water to produce a pound of wheat, but 2,500 gallons to produce a pound of meat. If these costs weren't subsidized by the American taxpayers, hamburger meat would be $35 per pound!
The burden of subsidizing the California meat industry costs taxpayers $24 billion annually. Livestock producers are California's biggest consumers of water. Every tax dollar the state doles out to livestock producers costs taxpayers over 7 dollars in lost wages, higher living costs and reduced business income. 17 western states have enough water supplies to support economies and populations twice as large as the present.
Overgrazing of cattle leads to topsoil erosion, turning once-arable land into desert. We lose 4 million acres of topsoil each year and 85 percent of this loss is directly caused by raising livestock. To replace lost soil, we're destroying our forests. Since 1967, the rate of deforestation in the U. S. has been 1 acre every 5 seconds. For each acre cleared in urbanization, seven are cleared for grazing or growing livestock feed.
It takes 3 times as much fossil fuel energy to produce meat than it does to produce plant foods. A report on the energy crisis in Scientific American warned: "The trends in meat consumption and energy consumption are on a collision course."
Nor can fish provide any help here. The fishing industry, quite energy-intensive, has already overfished the oceans in several areas. And fish could never play a major role in the worlds diet anyway: the entire global fish catch of the world, if divided among all the world's inhabitants would amount to only a few ounces of fish per person per week.
The American Dietetic Association reports that most of mankind has lived on "vegetarian or near vegetarian diets;" meat has traditionally been a luxury. The healthiest human populations on the globe live almost entirely on plant foods. Nathan Pritikin, author of The Pritikin Plan, recommended not more than three ounces of animal protein per day; three ounces per week for his patients who had already suffered a heart attack.
Obviously the idea of providing the entire world with a Western diet is absurd. But what about satisfying today's demand for meat--which provides only a fraction of humanity with a Western diet?
If the world population triples in the next 100 years, and meat consumption continues, then meat production would have to triple as well. Instead of 3.7 billion acres of cropland and 7.5 billion acres of grazing land, we would require 11.1 billion acres of cropland and 22.5 billion acres of grazing land.
But this is slightly larger than the total land area of the six inhabited continents! We are desperately short of forests, water and energy already.
Even if we resort to extreme methods of population control: abortion, infanticide, genocide, etc...modest increases in the world population would make it impossible to maintain current levels of meat consumption. On a vegetarian diet, however, the world could easily support a population several times its present size.
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"Bryan Early, who works for the Sacramento-based Californians Against Waste, admitted the legislation was a compromise. With pressure from the grocery and plastics industries, the law includes a provision that takes away the rights of municipalities to put a tax on bags the way Ireland did."
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Posted by: moolady45 on Sep 6, 2007 10:38 AM
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Plastic in every shape and form is a contaminent...We are dying from a lot of plastic induced illnesses.....Just Say NO NO NO to PLASTIC!!
We can live without Plastic!!! Even though they say that Plastic is SO Important...Not even on a Real Good Day! That is the Big Companies Producing Plastic ..Saying That!!!
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The writer mentions $4 billion is spent annually on plastic bags - this, I agree is an atrocious waste. Do you know what else, though, Americans spend an average of 2% on "interchange fees" charged directly to merchants for credit card transactions? These fees, of course are passed directly on to us. With the Bush economy and the majority of people using credit cards/debit cards all of the time, this represents about - assuming the use of credit cards of one variety or another for three quarters of all transactions - 200 billion dollars per year (in the neighborhood of half the cost of the Iraq war over five years). This is on top of interest and is money that could be better - way better - used elsewhere, including the environment.
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P.S.: Thanks to all who put the word out on hemp for plastics. If I recall, hemp is biodegradable though the government not only treats it as a "dangerous drug", it also makes it nearly impossible for biodegradable plastic to go anywhere in our "free" market.
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Posted by: workerbee on Sep 5, 2007 7:42 AM
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But that doesn't answer the question about plastic garbage bags. What do we do about those? What other ways are there to dispose of garbage? Not all towns have/allow cans -- or treat them kindly enough that you can use them for more than a few months.
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Sep 5, 2007 8:11 AM
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The use of fossil fuels is warming and destabilizing the climate, and is already causing severe crop losses in many parts of the country. Meanwhile, American 'consumers' continue to stuff their bags, paper or plastic, with energy intensive meat, processed food packaged three times in both plastic, paper and carboard, and so on.
If you stuff your consumables into paper bags, you're participating in deforestation (yes hemp is a great idea - but politicians still refuse to allow hemp cultivation - and even then, hemp could be better used for cloth production for clothing, not disposables). If you use plastic, you're still participating in disposable American culture.
The real issue is so much bigger than paper vs. plastic - it's the use of renewables (solar, wind, fossil-fuel free organic agriculture) in a resource limited reality, vs. the use of fossil fuels in an 'endless frontier' pipe dream.
How do we want to hang ourselves? Paper-based rope or plastic-based rope? Think carefully...
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Posted by: seamus on Sep 5, 2007 8:21 AM
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I'm glad to say that the plastic bag tax has gone up to 22c here.
Why the rest of the world hasn't followed our lead is a bit of a mystery.
When I was in Africa there were big piles of rubbish that are usually eaten by animals; sensibly enough they don't eat plastic bags so they are bits of them flying around everywhere.
I used to drink out of plastic bottles as the local water isnt so good but even they can be recycled by giving them to poor children or for use in horticulture.
Plastic bags are just absolute rubbish. They're not even free; mostly the cost is factored into the price of everything you buy.
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Posted by: ldasteelworker on Sep 5, 2007 8:36 AM
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Dr. Theo Colborn, who has written and lectured widely on the human health and environmental threat posed by endocrine disruptors and other industrially-produced chemicals at low concentrations in the environment. Bisphenol A (BPA), a plastic monomer used widely in the production of materials to package food, in plastics that are rapidly replacing steel, and as a fire retardant, has been found to have endocrine disrupting properties in every developing fetal system in which it has been tested, depending on stage of exposure and dose. Listen to an interview of her below:
Go here: ( http://www.chicagopublicradio.org/Program_WV_Series.aspx ); Click on: "End of the World"; Click on: "Better Infertility Through Chemistry".
Better Infertility Through Chemistry - Release date: 8/28/2007
Imagine if you caught a male fish in Lake Michigan, cut it open expecting to find its gonads... and instead found eggs!
Dr. Theo Colburn is the founder and president of The Endocrine Disruption Exchange, she's been a consultant and researcher for many governmental and non-governmental organizations over her career.
Dr. Colburn served on the EPA's Science Advisory Board until 2002. She directed the World Wildlife's Contaminants program for 10 years.
Her research has discovered the pervasiveness of endocrine-disrupting chemicals, especially in plastic-based-products.
The book she co-author in 1996, 'Our Stolen Future' prompted the enactment of new research and regulations in the U.S. around the world.
Dr. Theo Colburn is now the president of the "Endocrine Disruption Exchange" and explains what "Endocrine Disruption" is...
Download here: ( http://audio.wbez.org/wv/2007/08/wv_20070828b.mp3 )
Listen here: ( http://audio.wbez.org/wv/2007/08/wv_20070828b.m3u )
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( http://www.ourstolenfuture.com/index.htm )
The book: 'Our Stolen Future' brought world-wide attention to scientific discoveries about endocrine disruption and the fact that common contaminants can interfere with the natural signals controlling development of the fetus. This website tracks the most recent developments.
( http://www.endocrinedisruption.com/ )
The Endocrine Disruption Exchange, Inc is the only international organization that focuses primarily on the human health and environmental problems caused by low-dose and/or ambient exposure to chemicals that interfere with development and function, called endocrine disruptors.
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Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Sep 5, 2007 8:40 AM
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It was on our way home, after finishing the Los Angeles-to-Hawaii sail race known as the Transpac, that my crew and I first caught sight of the trash, floating in one of the most remote regions of all the oceans. ...Trashed
Across the Pacific Ocean, Plastics, Plastics, Everywhere
Charles Moore, Natural History v.112, n.9, Nov03
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I often struggle to find words that will communicate the vastness of the Pacific Ocean to people who have never been to sea. Day after day, Alguita was the only vehicle on a highway without landmarks, stretching from horizon to horizon. Yet as I gazed from the deck at the surface of what ought to have been a pristine ocean, I was confronted, as far as the eye could see, with the sight of plastic.
It seemed unbelievable, but I never found a clear spot. In the week it took to cross the subtropical high, no matter what time of day I looked, plastic debris was floating everywhere: bottles, bottle caps, wrappers, fragments. Months later, after I discussed what I had seen with the oceanographer Curtis Ebbesmeyer, perhaps the world's leading expert on flotsam, he began referring to the area as the "eastern garbage patch." But "patch" doesn't begin to convey the reality. Ebbesmeyer has estimated that the area, nearly covered with floating plastic debris, is roughly the size of Texas.
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What we saw amazed us. We were looking at a rich broth of minute sea creatures mixed with hundreds of colored plastic fragments-a plastic-plankton soup. ...
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The trash vortex - GreenPeace
Chemical sponge
There is a sinister twist to all this as well. The plastics can act as a sort of “chemical sponge”. They can concentrate many of the most damaging of the pollutants found in the worlds oceans: the persistent organic pollutants (POPs). So any animal eating these pieces of plastic debris will also be taking in highly toxic pollutants.
The North Pacific gyre is one of five major ocean gyres and it is possible that this Trash Vortex problem is one which is present in other oceans as well. The Sargasso Sea is a well known slow circulation area in the Atlantic, and research there has also demonstrated high concentrations of plastic particles present in the water.
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Of course, not all plastic floats. In fact around 70 percent of discarded plastic sinks to the bottom. In the North Sea, Dutch scientists have counted around 110 pieces of litter for every square kilometre of the seabed, a staggering 600,000 tonnes in the North Sea alone.
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Sailing The Seas Of Trash
Vast Area Of Pacific Ocean Polluted With Plastic
"I have no doubt that some of these things that we're discovering out there have been there since the dawn of the plastic era in the 1950's," says Moore.
As plastic ages it crumbles, leaving so many tiny fragments that Moore found seawater in the Gyre contained more plastic than plankton, the tiny sea life that many ocean creatures feed on.
To jellyfish, the plastic particles seem like food.
"It's like putting them on a plastic diet," says Moore. "It becomes part of their tissue."
In his lab, Moore studies jellyfish embedded with plastic. ...
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Posted by: madhypnotist on Sep 5, 2007 8:53 AM
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PANIC ! PANIC! And now we are choking on plastic....
Genius......
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Posted by: broni on Sep 5, 2007 9:02 AM
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Posted by: darkgrrrl on Sep 5, 2007 10:04 AM
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Not saying everyone should go buy new reusable bags, but I found that a compact bag that's easy to carry with me was easy to integrate into my lifestyle and easy to use, which means I actually do use it instead of forgetting it, leaving it in the car, etc.
I also highly recommend the Evert-Fresh produce bags. They greatly extend the useful life of fruits, vegetables, greens, herbs etc. and have almost eliminated food waste in my house.
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Posted by: sarahk on Sep 5, 2007 10:29 AM
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The cardboard tampon applicators, while not environmentally ideal, at least will decompose.
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Posted by: Crazy H on Sep 5, 2007 11:19 AM
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When a paper bag is dumped in a landfill and covered with other garbage, it stays dry and does not have access to light or oxygen. It doesn't degrade, it just sits there the same as a plastic bag.
Recycle, or better yet: bring in your own bags.
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Posted by: vasumurti on Sep 5, 2007 11:27 AM
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Animal wastes cause 10 times more water pollution than the U. S. human population; the meat industry causes 3 times as much harmful organic water pollution than the rest of the nation's industries combined.
Meat producers are the number one industrial polluters in our nation, contributing to half the water pollution in the U.S. The water that goes into a thousand-pound steer could float a destroyer. It takes 25 gallons of water to produce a pound of wheat, but 2,500 gallons to produce a pound of meat. If these costs weren't subsidized by the American taxpayers, hamburger meat would be $35 per pound!
The burden of subsidizing the California meat industry costs taxpayers $24 billion annually. Livestock producers are California's biggest consumers of water. Every tax dollar the state doles out to livestock producers costs taxpayers over 7 dollars in lost wages, higher living costs and reduced business income. 17 western states have enough water supplies to support economies and populations twice as large as the present.
Overgrazing of cattle leads to topsoil erosion, turning once-arable land into desert. We lose 4 million acres of topsoil each year and 85 percent of this loss is directly caused by raising livestock. To replace lost soil, we're destroying our forests. Since 1967, the rate of deforestation in the U. S. has been 1 acre every 5 seconds. For each acre cleared in urbanization, seven are cleared for grazing or growing livestock feed.
It takes 3 times as much fossil fuel energy to produce meat than it does to produce plant foods. A report on the energy crisis in Scientific American warned: "The trends in meat consumption and energy consumption are on a collision course."
Nor can fish provide any help here. The fishing industry, quite energy-intensive, has already overfished the oceans in several areas. And fish could never play a major role in the worlds diet anyway: the entire global fish catch of the world, if divided among all the world's inhabitants would amount to only a few ounces of fish per person per week.
The American Dietetic Association reports that most of mankind has lived on "vegetarian or near vegetarian diets;" meat has traditionally been a luxury. The healthiest human populations on the globe live almost entirely on plant foods. Nathan Pritikin, author of The Pritikin Plan, recommended not more than three ounces of animal protein per day; three ounces per week for his patients who had already suffered a heart attack.
Obviously the idea of providing the entire world with a Western diet is absurd. But what about satisfying today's demand for meat--which provides only a fraction of humanity with a Western diet?
If the world population triples in the next 100 years, and meat consumption continues, then meat production would have to triple as well. Instead of 3.7 billion acres of cropland and 7.5 billion acres of grazing land, we would require 11.1 billion acres of cropland and 22.5 billion acres of grazing land.
But this is slightly larger than the total land area of the six inhabited continents! We are desperately short of forests, water and energy already.
Even if we resort to extreme methods of population control: abortion, infanticide, genocide, etc...modest increases in the world population would make it impossible to maintain current levels of meat consumption. On a vegetarian diet, however, the world could easily support a population several times its present size.
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"Bryan Early, who works for the Sacramento-based Californians Against Waste, admitted the legislation was a compromise. With pressure from the grocery and plastics industries, the law includes a provision that takes away the rights of municipalities to put a tax on bags the way Ireland did."
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Posted by: moolady45 on Sep 6, 2007 10:38 AM
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Plastic in every shape and form is a contaminent...We are dying from a lot of plastic induced illnesses.....Just Say NO NO NO to PLASTIC!!
We can live without Plastic!!! Even though they say that Plastic is SO Important...Not even on a Real Good Day! That is the Big Companies Producing Plastic ..Saying That!!!
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