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Pentagon Denies Increase in Troops' Suicides a Result of War

By Penny Coleman, AlterNet. Posted August 28, 2007.


The military says that there's no connection between the stress of combat and spiraling suicide rates. But the widow of a vet who took his own life knows differently.

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As the widow of a Vietnam vet who killed himself after coming home, I find every new report about suicides among this generation of soldiers particularly painful. So I was surprised the other day to find myself laughing out loud reading about how poor Elspeth Ritchie, a psychiatric consultant to the Army Surgeon General's office, got stuck with the awful job of announcing, with a perfectly straight face and no irony whatsoever, that, although the suicide rate among soldiers has reached a 26-year record high, Pentagon studies still haven't found a connection between soldier suicides and the war.

They looked. What's a Pentagon to do?

And I think it was rather too kind of the media not to call attention to the fact that, as this year's designated goat, poor Elspeth had to stand up on her hind legs and try to sound sincere while once again parroting the official line that these poor dead kids are to blame for their own deaths. Year after year, they let their "personal relationships" get all messed up; they let their "legal and financial problems" get out of control; and they let "work stress" get them down. (Hmm…work stress…?)

The United States invaded Iraq in March of 2003 and by August, so many American soldiers had killed themselves that a mental health advisory team was sent to investigate. Their report, MHAT I (yes, more coming), confirmed a suicide rate three times greater than the statistical norm for the armed forces. It also acknowledged that a third of the psychiatric casualties being evacuated "departed theater with suicide-related behaviors as part of their clinical presentation." Red flag? Nope. The team's conclusion was that soldiers were killing themselves for the same reasons that soldiers "typically" kill themselves: marital, legal, financial problems, what they referred to as "underdeveloped life coping skills." There was a supplement to the report that was intended to assess the general health and well-being of soldiers. The supplement listed things that soldiers most often identified as combat "stressors," and, well, those were about what you might expect. They mentioned "seeing dead bodies or human remains, being attacked or ambushed, and knowing someone who was seriously injured or killed." Somehow none of these "stressors" made it into the team's final opinion as to why these kids were killing themselves.

So now every year they send another team of experts to Iraq, and every year they file another report (MHAT I, II, III, IV and counting), and every year some poor spokesgoat has to stand up and tell a bunch of grownups that it's these kids and their personal problems, not the war, that motivates these young people with their whole lives ahead of them to end it.

Well, every year except for 2004, when the rate dropped a lot, and everyone started crowing about how all the new suicide prevention measures were working, and they looked real good until the numbers for 2005 came in, and someone noticed that in 2004 they had used a different definition of a suicide. Tricky. That year they only counted the deaths involving guns.


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Penny Coleman is the widow of a Vietnam Veteran who took his own life after coming home. Her latest book, Flashback: Posttraumatic Stress Disorder, Suicide and the Lessons of War, was released on Memorial Day, 2006. Her blog is Flashback.

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denial is only logical
Posted by: unity1 on Aug 28, 2007 3:56 AM   
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Its logical that the pentagon would deny any link between suicides and war - its logical because the people that populate and make up the pentagon - the war machine - have to put a huge part of themselves away in order to justify the things it does in the name of freedom, liberty and justice - denying any solider would kill themselves because of their experience in war is part of that justifications that war is just and honorable not horror personified nor body mind and soul destroying - they have throughout the decades denied every thing from gulf war syndrome to agent orange and todays equivalent DU

- hell they think nuclear bombs are safe enough to minitirise and use in the battle field - the pentagon is an insane psychopathic and denying everything is keeping it going - we of course never question it out loud - its simply not done

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» RE: denial is only logical Posted by: VannaLaRoche
Let's try this
Posted by: paschn on Aug 28, 2007 5:21 AM   
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Line of reasoning;
For whatever reason, they allowed themselves to be shipped off to invade a country, slaughter it's men women and children. They begin to see what foul lies the swine that "lead" us have weaved. This, coupled with the fact they find out they're moral enough to see this slaughter committed by "our boys" is beginning to work on their psyche but because the drones they're murdering for worship those swine and the flag they wave, because they so badly want to "belong" even as young adults, they lack the conviction and courage to simply say, "f**k thou, I don't murder for NO lying SOB's", they opt for self slaughter instead. "Our boys" are gullible, yes. Glory hounds, yes. But they're not idiots. they're raised to worship a higher being in this fine "christian" nation, then they're expected to violate all they've been taught for the adulation of the sheep, a piece of cloth and the "elite" who themselves consider patriotism to be quaint and for the masses, ( replace masses with "sheep" ).

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» RE: Let's try this Posted by: farmertx
» RE: Let's try this Posted by: leafsong1
» RE: Let's try this Posted by: leafsong1
Pentagon lying? Yawn.
Posted by: LMNOP on Aug 28, 2007 6:43 AM   
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You know what would be interesting? Tell me when they *don't* lie.

Why do people act as if any words emanating from any aspect of American government are ever anything else?

At this point, even if some Bush spokesperson misspoke and told the truth, I wouldn't believe it.

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» RE: Pentagon lying? Yawn. Posted by: VZEQICVA
DON'T WAIT FOR AN APOLOGY
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Aug 28, 2007 7:27 AM   
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The only saving grace here is that people should remember all the awful consequences of war. Next time around maybe people won't be so quick to 'get behind their president'. We are all paying the price. Suicides are indeed higher than would be expected. It's another piece of a lousy idea that didn't work. The people who were in a position to stop it, did nothing. In time they just resign and go off to better things. There are no consequences. Thanks, ANNA

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» RE: DON'T WAIT FOR AN APOLOGY Posted by: peacefullaim
So this means...
Posted by: Ghoulman on Aug 28, 2007 7:51 AM   
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troops will not get medical treatment for there trouble.

Support the troops... my arse.

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as Michael Moore pointed out, it's not the sons and daughters of the decision makers
Posted by: Suzon on Aug 28, 2007 8:04 AM   
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who get sent off to see and do terrible things.

I have a 19 year old granddaughter. Her generation is going to be short of men, just as previous generations have been because of war.

If politics is about power and power is about sex, you have to wonder if there isn't some subconscious imperative which results in powerful men sending other less powerful men away to die.

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» RE: "have to wonder..." Posted by: dangerouslysane
Davy
Posted by: davy on Aug 28, 2007 8:53 AM   
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Scary when the pentagon is in such deep denial. Kinda smells like a rove. As you said so well, how ever do they keep a straight face? I've got a feeling BS detectors are going off all over america. God your government takes you for DUMB, bet your a lot smarter than they think, I'm betting on the people. Simply watch bush's eyes then you will know what liar eyes are like, wouldn't want his karma.

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» Why shouldn't they? Posted by: LMNOP
» RE: Davy Posted by: farmertx
» RE: Bush's eyes Posted by: dangerouslysane
Greenback Patriots
Posted by: shangrilalad on Aug 28, 2007 9:08 AM   
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The people who give you your daily dose of lies and propaganda supporting the war and neo-conservative agenda are not American patriots. They are Greenback Patriots and race
-class armchair warriors determined to impose their will on the world. Calling others unpatriotic, they are unpatriotic. Calling others cowards in the war against terrorism, they support neo-con terrorism. What else can you call their threats to bomb Iran with nuclear weapons?

Using lies and propaganda, they lied us into a war against an oil-rich country that had nothing to do with the 9/11 attack against our country. Don’t be fooled when they say we must continue to support our troops in Iraq, their main concerns are war-profiteering, Iraqi Oil and their continued political domination of America. They are not looking our for our best interests, their only interest is to get richer, quicker.

How many lives are they willing to sacrifice to feed their greed?

If their insanity one day threatens their own families, are they too, expendable?

.

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» RE: Greenback Patriots Posted by: Dboy
Underdeveloped Death Coping Skills
Posted by: LeftCoastProgressive on Aug 28, 2007 9:34 AM   
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It also acknowledged that a third of the psychiatric casualties being evacuated "departed theater with suicide-related behaviors as part of their clinical presentation." Red flag? Nope. The team's conclusion was that soldiers were killing themselves for the same reasons that soldiers "typically" kill themselves: marital, legal, financial problems, what they referred to as "underdeveloped life coping skills."

Underdeveloped life coping skills?? Don't they mean underdeveloped death coping skills

When you grab your best buddy as he's falling and find his face is a mass of bloody goo...tell me how any 20 year old is going to cope with this! This government and its Death Dealing Pentagon are sending our young men into a Meat Grinder! They learn to wantonly kill or be killed. Even when they're wounded , fitting legs, arms, and pieces of skull back onto them is politicized by the Pentagon and this sub-human cabal government. Just reading about the inhumanity makes me want to puke.

I clearly and maddeningly want to take our nation away from these subhuman freaks and don't speak to me about impeachment or a dumbass candidate. I want to be on the street in DC with my M3 and a bus load of ammo along with a thousand other like minded and mad veterans.

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Suicidal vet put at #26 on a VA waiting list, kills himself
Posted by: fanny666 on Aug 28, 2007 9:50 AM   
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It's hard to imagine the level of denial taking place when the suicide rate is doubled among vets. It probably doesn't help when suicidal soldiers are sent back to the front lines. But then when, after several tours, they finally come home, the Department of Veterans Affairs "Support" system is somehow surprised and overwhelmed.

For example, a Marine contemplating suicide seeks help at VA mental health clinic. He's turned away and placed #26 on a waiting list. Four days later he kills himself.

I think the context of the so-called "swamped" VA system is important... this is all part of Rumsfeld's "Transformation of the Military" programs. Essentially: privatization of the military. The (ongoing) Walter Reed fiasco is happening because skilled and experienced military employees were being outsourced during Rumsfeld's push for privatization. Everything must be for profit.

"Support the Troops"
Support the Troops by calling PTSD a pre-existing condition
Support the Troops by de-funding the Center for War Related Brain Injuries
Support the Troops by not giving them body armor, and not letting them use their own
Support the Troops with faulty equipment
Support the Troops, but not if it means paying for counseling
Support the Troops by trying to re-define PTSD
Support the Troops by poisoning them, and all of Iraq, with Depleted Uranium

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suicide for peace
Posted by: Iconoclast421 on Aug 28, 2007 9:58 AM   
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I think the only way that all the damage we have done over there can be reversed is if enough Bush administration officials kill themselves. By a ritual self-hanging in public. Then maybe Iraqis would see us in a different light. Now, if only Bush, and Rumsfeld, and Cheney, and Gonzales, and Chertoff, and Rove would all go over there and be the first to hang themselves in the town square...

Who was it that said those who live dishonorably can still die an honorable death upon their own sword?

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'From the Pentagon' = LIES
Posted by: jeffrey7 on Aug 28, 2007 12:21 PM   
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These guys are the 'Enforcement Arm' of the American/World Business Group. Does any of us really believe they would tell us how mwny troops kill themselves?
Let's allow ourselves to think like the 'Big Dogs'.
' We are making a tremendous amount of money off the weapons, planes,trucks and tanks and cruise missles. We do have this small problem of a high number of troops comitting suicide,a little hiccup,but with the right spin....' La De Da, La De Da, the people keep die-ing and the money keeps comming in. This is the mind set of the idiots that control our politicians. This is why we can't trust anything anyone from either party says. They all owe someone in some protion of the Government/Industrial Complex for their jobs. As long as we let this situation exist it won't only be a few troops that are comitting suicide,it will be the mothers,siblings,friends and lovers who just lost someone due to an illegal war, ordered by an incompetant Executive Branch,who will go down in history as....boobs.
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Maybe the sickest thing.....
Posted by: Asses of Evil on Aug 28, 2007 6:44 PM   
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I've ever seen. Inevitable, but still obscene. Dismissing these heroic men and womens' lives so glibly is disgusting.

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I have seem these men at vet hospitals
Posted by: Ellie1 on Sep 1, 2007 2:53 AM   
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and they break your heart. I had occasion to spend some time at one in Florida, and I was most touched by a number of young men curled into a fetal position in the waiting room, hiding their faces and bodies while waiting to see some kind of doctor . You could tell they were all young men, so they had to be Iraqi vets. The haunted misery in their eyes and on their faces made me wish I could do something to the "brains" of this administration (using the term loosely) for the destruction they have wrought. I still tear up when I recall them, and yes, I have demonstrated and organized against this war. (I was once criticized by someone in here that I have done nothing but post-not true).

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