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Smashing Capitalism!

By Barbara Ehrenreich, Huffington Post. Posted August 22, 2007.


We may be witnessing the first time in history that the downtrodden manage to bring down an unfair economic system without going to the trouble of a revolution.

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Somewhere in the Hamptons a high-roller is cursing his cleaning lady and shaking his fists at the lawn guys. The American poor, who are usually tactful enough to remain invisible to the multi-millionaire class, suddenly leaped onto the scene and started smashing the global financial system. Incredibly enough, this may be the first case in history in which the downtrodden manage to bring down an unfair economic system without going to the trouble of a revolution.

First they stopped paying their mortgages, a move in which they were joined by many financially stretched middle class folks, though the poor definitely led the way. All right, these were trick mortgages, many of them designed to be unaffordable within two years of signing the contract. There were "NINJA" loans, for example, awarded to people with "no income, no job or assets." Conservative columnist Niall Fergusen laments the low levels of "economic literacy" that allowed people to be exploited by sub-prime loans. Why didn't these low-income folks get lawyers to go over the fine print? And don't they have personal financial advisors anyway?

Then, in a diabolically clever move, the poor - a category which now roughly coincides with the working class -- stopped shopping. Both Wal-Mart and Home Depot announced disappointing second quarter performances, plunging the market into another Arctic-style meltdown. H. Lee Scott, CEO of the low-wage Wal-Mart empire, admitted with admirable sensitivity, that "it's no secret that many customers are running out of money at the end of the month."

I wish I could report that the current attack on capitalism represents a deliberate strategy on the part of the poor, that there have been secret meetings in break rooms and parking lots around the country, where cell leaders issued instructions like, "You, Vinny -- don't make any mortgage payment this month. And Caroline, forget that back-to-school shopping, OK?" But all the evidence suggests that the current crisis is something the high-rollers brought down on themselves.

When, for example, the largest private employer in America, which is Wal-Mart, starts experiencing a shortage of customers, it needs to take a long, hard look in the mirror. About a century ago, Henry Ford realized that his company would only prosper if his own workers earned enough to buy Fords. Wal-Mart, on the other hand, never seemed to figure out that its cruelly low wages would eventually curtail its own growth, even at the company's famously discounted prices.

The sad truth is that people earning Wal-Mart-level wages tend to favor the fashions available at the Salvation Army. Nor do they have much use for Wal-Mart's other departments, such as Electronics, Lawn and Garden, and Pharmacy.

It gets worse though. While with one hand the high-rollers, H. Lee Scott among them, squeezed the American worker's wages, the other hand was reaching out with the tempting offer of credit. In fact, easy credit became the American substitute for decent wages. Once you worked for your money, but now you were supposed to pay for it. Once you could count on earning enough to save for a home. Now you'll never earn that much, but, as the lenders were saying -- heh, heh -- do we have a mortgage for you!

Pay day loans, rent-to-buy furniture and exorbitant credit card interest rates for the poor were just the beginning. In its May 21st cover story on "The Poverty Business," BusinessWeek documented the stampede, in the just the last few years, to lend money to the people who could least afford to pay the interest: Buy your dream home! Refinance your house! Take on a car loan even if your credit rating sucks! Financiamos a Todos! Somehow, no one bothered to figure out where the poor were going to get the money to pay for all the money they were being offered.

Personally, I prefer my revolutions to be a little more pro-active. There should be marches and rallies, banners and sit-ins, possibly a nice color theme like red or orange. Certainly, there should be a vision of what you intend to replace the bad old system with -- European-style social democracy, Latin American-style socialism, or how about just American capitalism with some regulation thrown in?

Global capitalism will survive the current credit crisis; already, the government has rushed in to soothe the feverish markets. But in the long term, a system that depends on extracting every last cent from the poor cannot hope for a healthy prognosis. Who would have thought that foreclosures in Stockton and Cleveland would roil the markets of London and Shanghai? The poor have risen up and spoken; only it sounds less like a shout of protest than a low, strangled, cry of pain.

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Barbara Ehrenreich is the author of thirteen books, including the New York Times bestseller Nickel and Dimed. A frequent contributor to the New York Times, Harpers, and the Progressive, she is a contributing writer to Time magazine. She lives in Florida.

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Un-Restrained Capitalism Implodes on itself
Posted by: channing on Aug 23, 2007 2:14 PM   
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You might not think me a "Free Market, Capitalist" type of person when I note that Karl Marx predicted in the 1850's that capitalism would implode as the greedy upper-class slowly but surely gained the upper hand in all government and industry, and through insatiable gluttony and inequitable consumption lead the experiment of US capitalism into ruins, French Revolution Style RUINS! (see; "Capital", Karl Marx english 1932)

Having spent several years within an American Conservative Think Tank during the Reagan Revolution, I acquired many subversive works in modern philosophy and ideology... funny thing is, the wingnuts kept taking their "absolute" preconceptions of free-market to the limit when, apparent to me already in the '80's things were beginning to look more complex than the 'purists" wanted to admit.

In reality, I am a "capitalist", because I believe people should not be deterred by equanimity of rewards for reaching out beyond the horizon to risk, venture, and toil to improve existing industries and services. However, if one looks at the capitalism of the early US society and compare it to today's, it is obvious where the problems are rooted.

1. Corporate Law began as cooperative solutions to major societal problems, well beyond the means of individuals. What few contemporary people realize is that the "corporation" was designed originally like today's Not for Profit 501c.3's, meaning, it was inconceivable to place such mammoth power in the hands of "for profit" persons or entities (Americans were still all too familiar with trusting concentrated wealth from the relatively recent revolutions of the English, French, Germans, etc.,.). In addition to the altruistic character of the Corporate Charter, (the provable societal benefaction), contained within it, the "Revocation" clause, which subjected the entire corporate world to "public oversight", a continual requirement to justify their contributions and integrity and worth to the whole.

The solution to #1. above, is to restore the character of "Corporate Law" to its founding principles and public oversight: Such unwieldy power cannot be kept corruption-free, and the impacts on the greater society are always nearly ubiquitous, so why pretend otherwise.

2. Taxes on the wealthy and the corporations hovered around 50%. It was generally assumed that it was not in and of itself "evil" to be wealthy, but when you have that much more than your fellow man, you can be sure that you must pay more, lots more, to avoid precisely the kind of revolution we today face. Guess what? Though taxes were that high, the United States soon became the world leader in wealth, though a huge share went to a backbone middle class that has been virtually wiped out by the extremists who have dictated economics for the past quarter century.

Briefly, "Corporate Law" is governed by the People and we need desperately to return to the altruistic heritage of the corporation through radical changes in the Law (Congress). At the same time, restore the oversight of corporations as "public companies" and subject them to frequent, if not annual review for "Revocation of Charter". AND at the same time, return the justifiably high taxes to persons and entities and inheritance that have much more wealth than their fellow man, squelching the inevitable corruption of concentrated wealth and restoring societal balance and honesty in the process... Yes, We can have it all!

We are the People, let us Govern!!!

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» RE: Nice comment Channing Posted by: scott balogh
screw 'em
Posted by: andy on Aug 24, 2007 3:43 AM   
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the best way to screw the banks is to take out a huge loan, and spend it on productive things that they cant repossess, eg Air Transport Pilots Licence with boeing 747 flight time.
After youve spent the money, cry bankrupt. Then go and get yourelf a $250 000 a year job as a pilot! ha ha suckers.

oops, im not sure you americans can do that anymore.

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Inevitable Result
Posted by: Elmo409 on Aug 24, 2007 4:41 AM   
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This is yet another example of how stupid human beings are and continue to be. We continue to pursue short term individual gains even when it is obvious that the long term result will be catastrophic for everyone. As long as I can die before that happens, I don't have to worry about it.

The obvious long term solution to the current mortgage financing crisis is to ensure that the people who are buying the houses can afford to pay for them with a simple straight interest loan that has predictable payments. Instead we continue to follow the company store model expanded to a grander scale. You can get credit that's good anywhere -- you just have to keep your job that pays doodley squat

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"Once upon a time..."
Posted by: ~Fiona~ on Aug 24, 2007 4:55 AM   
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"Once upon a time, waaaay back when government still did a reasonable job of governing..."

...There was a time when megabusinesses were broken up into smaller groups so they could not "monopolize" (Remember that word???) whatever market they sank their greedy teeth into. Remember "Ma' Bell", remember how the oil companies were once upon a time "Regulated" along with other large corporations who could exert undue influence on a market?

With the current administration this "deregulation" has taken on epidemic proportions and as a result unregulated Greed has sucked and sucked every last penny out of the world market until, as someone has already pointed out, the economy has "Imploded".

Today's politicians just don't "Get it"... With corporate whores like Hillary insisting she will continue to use "Corporate Sponsors" to fund her champaine it is clear our leadership has become so corrupt they no longer even have a clue at how criminal such practices have become. It is clearly time for a change.

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Colors of Revolution
Posted by: Leman on Aug 24, 2007 5:45 AM   
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Personally, I prefer my revolutions to be a little more pro-active. There should be marches and rallies, banners and sit-ins, possibly a nice color theme like red or orange. Certainly, there should be a vision of what you intend to replace the bad old system with -- European-style social democracy, Latin American-style socialism, or how about just American capitalism with some regulation thrown in?

Funny, how Dr. Ehrenreich did not mention the very examples symbolized by her favorite banner colors to begin with. You want red - why not recall Russia in 1917 (and the 40 years of genocide that followed)? You want orange - why not look closer into Ukraine of 2004 (and the utter confusion, corruption and power vacuum that ruled ever since)?

I constantly hear from two prominent fans of all shades of red in this country. Funny thing is one of them lives in California instead of Cuba and the other one in Massachusetts instead of North Korea. It's very easy to trash capitalism, while living cushy lives provided by the very system they loathe. I just love all those essays about Nicaraguan progressives. So, why are you still in MIT? Why not farm coffee instead? Or all this exaltation of "European democracies". So, why are you still in California then? Could it be because Europe has as much need for socialist pundits as for Ph.D.s in biology?

The only honest answer to these questions that I can imagine is this: "I like it here and I do not want to live in Sweden or Nicaragua; I like my federal grants and my MIT tenure, I love all the royalties I get from my I-feel-for-the-poor books".

So why all this hipocricy??

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Barbara knows best
Posted by: daniel1982 on Aug 24, 2007 6:04 AM   
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>Wal-Mart, on the other hand, never seemed to figure out that its cruelly low wages would eventually curtail its own growth, even at the company's famously discounted prices.

The eminent writer, business guru, economics professor and the author of these piece, Barbara Ehrenreich will now weight in and tell one of the most successful companies in history what it needs to ... be successful. So the "cruelly" low wages at Wal-Mart are the cause of the recent lower than expected forecast? And you know this how? You thought about it real real hard?

>The sad truth is that people earning Wal-Mart-level wages tend to favor the fashions available at the Salvation Army.

You don't really know anybody who works in Wal-Mart or even retail - do you?

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» Actually, she does know. Posted by: CarolL
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Lessons we learn
Posted by: Leman on Aug 24, 2007 6:13 AM   
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Predatory lending is much more complex of an issue than this article tried to present.

Yes, lenders have to provide honest information about their products, with all the detailed disclosures in plain English. And if they don't - they deserve jail time, not just a drop in their stock price.

On the other hand, anybody who ever heard of interest knows that this is the price you pay for borrowing. Therefore, you are a buyer, you are the one who actually pays money here, although it may look like your lender does. And if you pay for something, doesn't it make sense to find out in all the details what you are paying for?

The way I see it, there will always be waves of scams, bubbles and get-rich-quick schemes. And there will always be greedy people sucked into it and punished for their greed. And there will be innocent victims, suffering just because they trust their fellow human beings on the other side of the desk. But in both categories there will be several classes of people:

1) Very smart people - who will carefully calculate risks and rewards, buy on the upswing and sell close to the top;

2) Just smart enough people - who will recognize that they are not Supermen and that odds are against them, so they will stay away from the whole game;

3) Mediocre people - who will buy on top, get burned and never do it again;

4) And finally, dumb morons - who will get burned and burned and burned and never learn their lesson anyway.

All the information is there. Plenty of Web sites and books will explain to you in plain English various pitfalls of the newest financing schemes. If you can afford a new house, you can afford a "Mortgages for Dummies" book. And if you can't read, you probably should not be signing a 200-page stack of closing papers.

We teach little children not to get candy from strangers. We teach our pets not to wonder too far from our door. Those are very simple lessons we grow up with. It does not take a genius to remember it: if I don't know what it is, I probably should not eat it.

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Know what?
Posted by: american on Aug 24, 2007 7:10 AM   
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This is what:

To abscond with the resources of the nation and this world - the people who hold the levers of power in New York, Washington, and Hollywood have overreached. This has been accomplished by molding law, government, and society itself so that every benefit boomerangs back to those that control the levers of power and that every detriment boomerangs back to the those that aren’t connected. I don’t care what anyone says, it hasn’t been “the people’s” responsibility that this has happened. Everything from the food supply to what we watch in these times has been tuned and monitored so that what we see, hear, taste and experience is scrutinized, squeezed, queerly regulated, molded, packaged, profit-maxed, and altered in a thousand different ways by “them” before arriving on our table, being viewed by our eyes, heard by our ears or otherwise “taken in” by us. The ownership and control of everything – government, industry, finance – has been so consolidated that it has so simply and clearly come down in a major way to the proverbial “haves” and “have nots.” I remind you, people, however, that this is not supposed to be happening. Refer to our Constitution. Refer to the Declaration. Refer to common sense. It comes down on them. There is no fairness without justice and no freedom without fairness. The time for trying to get "them" to work justly is over. We have been trying to get the existing system to become more equitable. We have been trying to get the people who run it to be fairer. It just is not happening. Again: It just is not happening. Simple as that. We like to say “the system.” We like to say “the corporations.” We like to say “them.” I remind you that these are words. What are driving the injustices of these times are people. They portray themselves as well intention but hapless. George W with his worried face, acting like he can’t understand how things are turning out this way, despite his well-meaning intentions. It is a game face. So many of the economic theories, laws and international agreements that have been let loose and engineered in contemporary times are nothing but rigging. Common sense has bee flushed away as if to another dimension. It is now that every one of the evildoers must be dealt the justice that they so easily mete to the poor, unfortunate, disconnected and dis-abled but withhold from themselves. It has to happen now, in the upcoming elections. I feel like I am writing a "subversive” note in some third world dictatorship. You-all - we-all - have to come around to the fact that, de-facto, I AM!

The solution as I see it is to get back to basics. Fall back on the Constitution. Fall back on common sense thinking as a first resort on all of the institutions that are failing us from the congress to the courts, to the corporations. Prohibit monopolies and oligopolies. Eliminate financial trickery. Remove complexity. Simplify. Make justice apply equally to everyone. If we can’t understand it, we can’t govern it; if we can’t see clearly, we can’t steer it. And we are supposed to be steering it, we, the people.

Preamble to the Constitution:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

From the introductory section of the Declaration of Independence:

...Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it...

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A REVOLUTION WHERE NOBODY GOES TO JAIL
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Aug 24, 2007 7:11 AM   
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Most states have a 'statute of limitations' on debt. In NJ it's 4 years. My guess is that once people lose their home or don't own one to begin with they simply walk away from all of it. Too bad it's come to this. But one day all lenders became loansharks. While people assumed more debt than they did 10+ yrs. ago, it was encouraged because it was a money maker for invertors. Mortgages & studen loans for openers. Funny how people find a way. Thanks, ANNA

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The illusion of control
Posted by: apple pie on Aug 24, 2007 7:54 AM   
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Wow the numbnuts republican cheerleaders have got all their panties in a twist over this one!

To focus in on Ehrenereich supposedly insulting the working poor is silly at best, a modification of the morality/perversity argument that her observations actually are nsulting to and hurt the poor.

But this reaction is the same old flabbid shadow that Ehrenereich is in fact trying to shine some light upon. The illusion of control, whether emanating from bankers and their credit agents, heartless capitalists, or grumbly trolls all try to enforce an illusion of control upon everyone else.

If people stopped paying their bills they would get far more control than they have now over their own lives. The problem is that we as a people have been so hypnotized and suffocated in a false sense of comfort that the re-entry to real human life where one is not defined by the commodities they possess would be very traumatic and painful. But psychological control works that way, building up the barrier of illusions until they appear invincible, and drown the inherent human spirit in irrelevancy, passivity, and impotence.

AHHH, the American capitalist dream machine keeps popping out those hot dogs. Get the barbecue going and don't mind the maggots.

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Who's Smashing Capitalism?
Posted by: dover23 on Aug 24, 2007 8:47 AM   
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Under a true capitalist system, these wall street dickheads would be financially accountable for the risks they took. Instead, under this current system of Americanism (read: Fascism), the Fed is bailing them out via inflation or our money. Of course the Fed did their part in creating the credit bubble in the first place by providing cheap easy credit (i.e. money) after 9/11 to avoid recession.

So Barbara is correct, Capitalism is being smashed, but not by the working underclass. The Fed, this quasi-governmental monster with full control over the money system, is the one smashing capitalism. Don't confuse an artificial credit bubble with capitallism... it is a misrepresentation in the truest sense of the word.


By a continuing process of inflation, government can confiscate, secretly and unobserved, an important part of the wealth of their citizens
- Keynes

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Just a Symptom
Posted by: blstock on Aug 24, 2007 8:50 AM   
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It seems to me that the failing of American Society is coming from a lack of civility that is present in every list of comments that appear here. No one seems to really care about anyone other than themselves. One article will revile religious persons as the cause of all problems, the next reviles those who eat meat, the next speaks of the impossibility of a stable husband and wife who actually love each other and their children, and so on ad infinitum.
I suppose all these articles and comments could also be a symptom of too many voices speaking at once. People may feel that they have to say extreme things and act in extreme ways just to get noticed in the maelstrom of current culture.

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Nothing Will Change
Posted by: InsertNameHere on Aug 24, 2007 9:02 AM   
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I don't think Wall Street or the banks will learn anything from the current credit meltdown. They will cite the actions of 'a few bad apples', lay off a few thousand people and continue on. They will claim that they learned their lesson and then keep doing what they always do, scaled back a few degrees.

As long as banks have the power to create money out of thin air by using Fractional Reserve rules, and money is created as interest bearing debt, we will all continue to be wage slaves. Corporations will continue to enjoy their legally enshrined rights as individual entities. The Federal Reserve will continue to play Russian Roulette with its monetarist gun.

You can bet that if people start defaulting on loans and mortgages on a large scale, you will get to see how vicious this system can get, real fast.

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YOU PEOPLE HAVE SOUR GRAPES.
Posted by: andy on Aug 24, 2007 10:05 AM   
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what we have here is a war between the intelligent vs the non intellect. Say what you will but Darwinian theory will always rule. I believe you would be lying to yourselves if you think you would not engage in the same practices if you had the brains and the opportunity. What we have is a classic case of shaudenfrauda?? (sour grapes). Dont worry im pissed off with these immoral pricks aswell, only cos im jealos that i cant do it.

all you bleedin hearts can give me shit if you want, but as an aspiring intellectual i despise the stupid, the ignorant, the apathetic and the lazy. Survival of the fittest, game on.

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This country is RIPE
Posted by: Nick on Aug 24, 2007 10:33 AM   
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for FASCISM

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Sit down, shut up and take your medicine kids! You're all AlterCowards
Posted by: MAD on Aug 24, 2007 10:39 AM   
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Wal-Mart and Home Depot same store sales are declining because we are drawing near the zero hour - that highly anticipated moment when the complete transfer of the working class' remaining capital will be complete and the teeming masses will enter into a new and exciting phase of eternal indebtedness and perpetual slavery. Wages are declining, the deficit is unsustainable and Vietnam II rages on but the average American bonehead thinks Bernanke, Inc. and Hillary are gonna make it alright. Poor, silly, dumb bastards.

You marginally informed and overeducated readers (and writers) here at Alternet are perhaps the most cursed class because you see it coming yet do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to stop it. It's the same ridiculous "wait and see" MO or should I say HO with you people: Hillary, Obama, Hillary, Obama, Hillary, Obama . . . Let's just ride it out 'till 2008, close our eyes and vote for the lesser of all losers. You're all F'ing pathetic and you know it!! This country will pay the ultimate price for your inaction and ambivalence. We are the laughing stock of the world and yet none of this seems to bother any of you in the least. You sit idly by while a sociopath steadily guides this country to the precipice.

The reason you do nothing is because, in all honesty, you're just like good Dr. Barbara in more ways than you would care to admit. She talks a big game but if you dig a little deeper, you'll find she's that and nothing more - A real big talker who happens to vacation (or live) in the Hamptons all the while excoriating, quite hypocritically I might add, the very people who publish her books, bring her wealth and prop up her status as part of the liberal intelligentsia (if ever there was a greater oxymoron, it currently escapes me).

Barbara is a consummate pro when it comes to living room activism - just like you chickens shits and cowards. She'll froth at the mouth but ask her to really put some skin in the game - risk something - and she'll melt away into the crowd for fear of her book royalties drying up.

This site is for losers. You're all losers. With every keystroke your hypocrisy grows. WHAT HAVE ANY OF YOU DONE THIS WEEK besides slave away for your corporate masters and slink in here to vent under your breath? And of course the first question on your minds is, "Oh yeah, well what the fuck have you done lately?" And that, my vapid little friends, is why nothing will ever change - you're too cowardly to risk anything. You froth at the mouth, speak with the kind of passion and indignation reserved for men and women of action but then threaten to move to Canada! You haven't earned the right to speak with such fervor. You're truly cowards among cowards. God forbid you actually organize, and *GASP* risk embarrassing yourselves. Shame on all of you. Hope it all works out in '08 cuz the last elections really got us on the right track, eh?

Now, tell me I'm wrong. Or instead of mulling over what I have written, ask me "what exactly have you done?". At least vindicate me in that respect.

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Nonsense.
Posted by: Lincoln fan on Aug 24, 2007 10:42 AM   
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This is a nonsensical artclle from the start. Number one, we had a bloodless revolution with FDR. And exactly the same thing was happening then; the capitalistic system was imploding and people couldn't pay their debts. When capitalism imploded it didn't repair itself. Neither will it today.

The fact that when the system fails, the working class suffers most, is an indication that when the system is working right it's good for the people. It's obvious to me that the answer is to fix the system, not to destroy it.

The way to fix it is the same way now as it was in the 30's. The government has to control corporations to keep them from destroying capitalism and all of us. Capitalism has no built-in controls against self-destruction. It can only be controlled by government.

The answer, now as it was then, is political action. We haven't yet fallen to the depths of the 30's so neither party will break with their corporate backers to rescue the system. It's up to us to take control of both political parties and force them to fix the system.
Bob Reichenbach,
Director. The Lincoln Initiative.

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» RE: Nonsense. Posted by: rgoalierob
No RED!
Posted by: stilldreaming on Aug 24, 2007 12:03 PM   
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RED as a color theme is a BAD choice. Do not forget the crimes of communism.

A moron designer who knew zero history choose red to represent "red states" ie Republican, right wing voters, wich I find ironic. It fits only if we decide to make the color red a symbol of oppression, potentially bloody.

Don't forget: revolutionaries have created bloodbaths for left-left leaning as well as for right-leaning "causes" .

>> There should be marches and rallies, banners and sit-ins, possibly a nice color theme like red or orange. Certainly, there should be a vision of what you intend to replace the bad old system with -- European-style social democracy, Latin American-style socialism, or how about just American capitalism with some regulation thrown in?>>

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» RE: No RED! Posted by: Trazom
Captalism vs. Communism
Posted by: takepillsdie on Aug 24, 2007 12:51 PM   
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Capitalsim and communism are the same thing. Limited choices in both. Capitalism just gives you the illusion of choices. The only government that will ever work is people taking responsibility into their own hands. Leave out anyone and you leave out everyone! The most fun and free lifestyle choice we can have is sharing everything all the time as the evolution of selfishness.

the new rules :)
People are intrinsically good (there is no evil).
There is enough (so we don't have to hoard).
There is nothing we have to do.

I ask myself the question. Would I do this for fun and free, with everything I do. If I wouldn't do it for free or fun, I'm not doing it.

Happy people make happy "products". Not forced happy people with the threat of losing their house, family, life, etc. Truly happy people that love you and life.
This is WAY MORE EFFICIENT! for everyone.. Work is for lazy people. Money is for poor people. Cars are the ultimate symbol of poverty. We will get to this sooner or later. It is inevitable.

Governments only regulate our ability to regulate ourselves. They are parasites. Who needs em. Lets grow up. http://whywork.org
http://freegan.info

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READ BETWEEN THE LINES
Posted by: jende on Aug 24, 2007 1:02 PM   
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The author does not actually state it. The people who can't afford to buy are not really applying it, but they are indirectly using it by withholding plastic. The secret word is boycott! A tactic tried and true. If enough of us use it directly, we can lift this world out of the hell into which it's sinking and make it the decent place it should be for all living things. Boycott for a better world! It's the most powerful people power of all!

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» RE: AD BETWEEN THE LINES Posted by: VZEQICVA
» RE: AD BETWEEN THE LINES Posted by: peacefullaim
"CAPITALISM" - coined by Karl Marx DOES NOT EXIST anymore than "COMMUNISM"
Posted by: Hal on Aug 24, 2007 3:18 PM   
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“Capitalism” that requires free and open markets as well as democracy to exist is a propaganda blood money joke in the west and the rest of the world. Ditto for “freedom” and “democracy” itself. These are hardly more than Orwellian killing gags constantly advertised to push bogus “war on terror” to take over nations for a petrodollar Big Oil monopoly.

In the U.S. where the nation’s economy is rigged by an illegal private bank monopoly cum Ponzi scheme better known as the “Federal Reserve” Corporation (not federal, no reserves) the very idea of “free markets” is arrant brainwash. Every crime monopoly run out of the west from Big Oil to Big Banking, to a carny show Big MSM to a Big Military-Industrial Complex and Big Pharma takes cues from this master corporate criminal cartel. A central bank monopoly is also one of the prime planks @ the “Communist Manifesto”. No accident, that.

CLUE: a centrally planned and privately rigged economy is a license to steal from the good little sheep. And to murder them. Control the money and you control everything worth conrolling.

And of course the “Communism” pipedream put out by Karl Marx NEVER EXISTED AT ALL. From Lenin to Stalin and on – “Communism” was always a brutal autocrat con game that murdered over 80 million people worldwide.

“Global capitalism will survive the current credit crisis; already, the government has rushed in to soothe the feverish markets.”

It is the “Federal Reserve” Corporation that attempts to keep a lid on the sting not a bad theatre DC “government” that is attempting to “soothe the feverish markets” that the “Federal Reserve” Corp and its private riggers fixed to begin with.

Again “global capitalism” DOES NOT EXIST by definition. That would require truly free and open markets untainted by organized corporate crime. Such is not the case.

The fact that Barbara Ehenreich and others @ a corporate monopoly cooked MSM can put out this kind of Kool-Aid disinformation (and are well paid to do so) is just another sign of the core sickness of a system that kills and keeps on killing in the name of an organized corporate criminal agenda.



“The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the larger centers has owned the government ever since the days of Andrew Jackson.”
PRESIDENT FRANKLIN D. ROOSEVELT (on oligarch rule in a letter to handler “Colonel” Edward M. House, confidence man for the cartel and founder of the Council on Foreign Relations. House also handled President Wilson in the foisting of a private and unconstitutional “Federal Reserve” Corporation sham with its IRS in 1913. FDR speaks of monopolists at cartel centers of New York & London that own the U.S. Government. November 21st, l933)

“This [Federal Reserve] Act establishes the most gigantic trust [private monopoly] on earth. When the president [Wilson] signs this bill, the INVISIBLE GOVERNMENT of the money power will be legalized… The worst legislative crime of the ages is perpetrated by this banking and currency bill.”
CONGRESSMAN CHARLES A. LINDBERG SR. (speaking to Congress in opposition to the global banking cartel and its privately owned “Federal Reserve” Corporati