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Are Bush & Co. Gearing Up to Attack Iran?

By Ray McGovern, AlterNet. Posted August 23, 2007.


A former CIA analyst estimates the chances of an attack on Iran and shows that the mainstream media is already cheering it on.

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A shorter version of this article first appeared on Consortiumnews.com.

It is as though I'm back as an analyst at the CIA, trying to estimate the chances of an attack on Iran. The putative attacker, though, happens to be our own president.

It is precisely the kind of work we analysts used to do. And, while it is still a bit jarring to be turning our analytical tools on the U.S. leadership, it is by no means entirely new. For, of necessity, we Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS) have been doing that for almost six years now -- ever since 9/11, when "everything changed."

Of necessity? Yes, because, with very few exceptions, American journalists put their jobs at grave risk if they expose things like fraudulent wars.

The craft of CIA analysis was designed to be an all-source operation, meaning that we analysts were responsible -- and held accountable -- for assimilating information from all sources and coming to judgments on what it all meant. We used data of various kinds, from the most sophisticated technical collection platforms, to spies, to -- not least -- open media.

Here I must reveal a trade secret and risk puncturing the mystique of intelligence analysis. Generally speaking, 80 percent of the information one needs to form judgments on key intelligence targets or issues is available in open media. It helps to have been trained -- as my contemporaries and I had the good fortune to be trained -- by past masters of the discipline of media analysis, which began in a structured way in targeting Japanese and German media in the 1940s. But, truth be told, anyone with a high school education can do it. It is not rocket science.

Reporting from informants

The above is in no way intended to minimize the value of intelligence collection by CIA case officers recruiting and running clandestine agents. For, though small in percentage of the whole nine yards available to be analyzed, information from such sources can often make a crucial contribution. Consider, for example, the daring recruitment in mid-2002 of Saddam Hussein's foreign minister, Naji Sabri, who was successfully "turned" into working for the CIA and quickly established his credibility. Sabri told us there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

My former colleagues, perhaps a bit naively, were quite sure this would come as a welcome relief to President George W. Bush and his advisers. Instead, they were told that the White House had no further interest in reporting from Sabri; rather, that the issue was not really WMD, it was "regime change." (Don't feel embarrassed if you did not know this; although it is publicly available, our corporate-owned, war profiteering media has largely suppressed this key story.)

One former colleague, operations officer-par-excellence Robert Baer, now reports (in this week's Time) that, according to his sources, the Bush/Cheney administration is winding up for a strike on Iran; that the administration's plan to put Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps on the terrorism list points in the direction of such a strike; and that the delusional "neoconservative" thinking that still guides White House policy concludes that such an attack would lead to the fall of the clerics and the rise of a more friendly Iran.

Hold on, it gets even worse: Baer's sources tell him that administration officials are thinking that "as long as we have bombers and missiles in the air, we will hit Iran's nuclear facilities."

Rove and Snow: Going wobbly?

Our VIPS colleague Phil Geraldi, writing in The American Conservative, earlier noted that in the past Karl Rove has served as a counterweight to Vice President Dick Cheney, and may have tried to put the brakes on Cheney's death wish to expand the Middle East quagmire to Iran. And former Pentagon officer, retired Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatkowski, who worked shoulder to shoulder with some of the most devoted neocons just before the attack on Iraq, has put into words (on LewRockwell.com) speculation several of us have been indulging in with respect to Rove's departure.

In short, it seems possible that Rove, who is no one's dummy and would not want to be required to "spin" an unnecessary war on Iran, may have lost the battle with Cheney over the merits of a military strike on Iran, and only then decided -- or was urged -- to spend more time with his family. As for administration spokesperson Tony Snow, it seems equally possible that, before deciding he had to leave the White House to make more money, he concluded that his stomach could not withstand the challenge of conjuring up yet another Snow job to explain why Bush/Cheney needed to attack Iran. There is recent precedent for this kind of thing.

We now know that it was because former defense secretary Donald Rumsfeld went wobbly on the Iraq war -- as can be seen in his Nov. 6, 2006, memo to the president -- that Rumsfeld was canned. (That was the day BEFORE the election.) In that memo, Rumsfeld called for a "major adjustment" in war policy. And so, Robert Gates, who had been waiting in the wings, was called to Crawford, given the test for malleability, hired, and dispatched by the president immediately to Iraq to weigh in heavily with the most senior U.S. generals (Abizaid and Casey). They had been saying, quite openly: Please, please, no more troops; a surge would simply give the Iraqis still more time and opportunity to diddle us while American troops continue to die. So much for the president always listening to his senior military commanders. And the bug of reality was infecting even Rumsfeld.

In his memo to the president, Rumsfeld suggested that U.S. generals "withdraw U.S. forces from vulnerable positions -- cities, patrolling, etc.," and move troops to Kuwait to serve as a Quick Reaction Force. Bush, of course, chose to do just the opposite.

Our domesticated press has not yet been able to put two and two together on this story, so it has been left to investigative reporters like Robert Parry to do so. In his Aug. 17 essay, "Rumsfeld's Mysterious Resignation," Parry closes with this:

The touchy secret about Rumsfeld's departure seems to have been that Bush didn't want the American people to know that one of the chief Iraq war architects had turned against the idea of an open-ended military commitment -- and that Bush had found himself with no choice but to oust Rumsfeld for his loss of faith in the neoconservative cause.
Granted, it is speculative that similar factors, this time with respect to war planning for Iran, were at work in the decisions on the departure of Rove and Snow. Someone ought to ask them.

Surgical strikes first?

With the propaganda buildup we have seen so far on Iran, what seems most likely, at least initially, is an attack on Revolutionary Guard training facilities inside Iran. That can be done with cruise missiles. With some 20 targets already identified by anti-Iranian groups, there are enough assets already in place to do that job. But the "while-we're-at-it" neocon logic referred to above may well be applied after, or even in conjunction with, that kind of limited cruise missile attack.

Cheerleading in the domesticated media

Yes, it is happening again.

The lead editorial in yesterday's Washington Post regurgitates the allegations that Iran's Revolutionary Guard Corps is "supplying the weapons that are killing a growing number of American soldiers in Iraq," that it is "waging war against the United States and trying to kill as many American soldiers as possible." Designating Iran a "specially designated global terrorist" organization, says the Post, "seems to be the least the United States should be doing, giving the soaring number of Iranian-sponsored bomb attacks in Iraq."

It's as though Dick Cheney and friends are again writing the Post's editorials. And not only that: arch-neocon James Woolsey told Lou Dobbs on Aug. 14 that the Nited States may have no choice but to bomb Iran in order to halt its nuclear weapons program. As Woolsey puts it, "I'm afraid within, well, at worst, a few months, [or] at best, a few years, they could have the bomb."

Woolsey, self-described "anchor of the Presbyterian wing of the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs," has long been out in front plumbing for wars, like Iraq, that he and other neocons myopically see as being in Israel's, as well as America's, interest. On the evening of 9/11, Woolsey was already raising with Tom Brokaw and Peter Jennings the notion that Iraq was a leading candidate for state sponsorship of the attacks. A day later, Woolsey told journalist James Fallows that, no matter who proved responsible for 9/11, the solution had to include removing Saddam Hussein because he was so likely to be involved the next time (sic).

The latest media hype is also rubbish. And Woolsey knows it. And so do reporters for the Washington Post, who are aware of, but have been forbidden to tell, a highly interesting story about waiting for a key National Intelligence Estimate -- as if for Godot.

The NIE that didn't bark

The latest National Intelligence Estimate regarding if and when Iran is likely to have the bomb has been ready since February. It has been sent back four times -- no doubt because its conclusions do not support what Cheney and Woolsey are telling the president and, through the domesticated press, telling the rest of us as well.

The conclusion of the most recent published NIE (early 2005) was that Iran probably could not acquire a nuclear weapon until "early to mid-next decade," a formula memorized and restated by Director of National Intelligence Michael McConnell at his confirmation hearing in February. One can safely assume that McConnell had been fully briefed on the first "final draft" of the new estimate, which has now been in limbo for half a year. And I would wager that the conclusions of the new estimate resemble those of the NIE of 2005 far too closely to suit Cheney.

It is a scandal that the congressional oversight committees have not been briefed on the conclusions of the new estimate, even though it cannot pass Cheney's smell test. For it is a safe bet it would give the lie to the claims of Cheney, Woolsey and other cheerleaders for war with Iran and provide powerful ammunition to those arguing for a more sensible approach to Iran.

But attacking Iran would be crazy

Despite the administration's warlike record, many Americans may still cling to the belief that attacking Iran won't happen because it would be crazy and that Bush is a lame-duck president who wouldn't dare undertake yet another reckless adventure when the last one went so badly.

But rationality and common sense have not exactly been the strong suit of this administration. Bush has placed himself in a neoconservative bubble that operates with its own false sense of reality. Worse still: as psychiatrist Justin Frank pointed out in the July 27 VIPS memo "Dangers of a Cornered Bush," updating his book, Bush on the Couch:
We are left with a president who cannot actually govern, because he is incapable of reasoned thought in coping with events outside his control, like those in the Middle East.
This makes it a monumental challenge -- as urgent as it is difficult -- not only to get him to stop the carnage in the Middle East, but also to prevent him from undertaking a new, perhaps even more disastrous adventure -- like going to war with Iran in order to embellish the image he so proudly created for himself after 9/11 as the commander in chief of 'the first war of the 21st century.'
Scary.

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It has been on the cards since 2005
Posted by: Bobsays on Aug 23, 2007 1:52 AM   
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I had contact with a B52 pilot back in 2005. And he was clear that they are ready to go, trained up and are clear what is the next mission: Iran. All else since then has been deception.

It will happen like this: we will go to sleep for another normal night. And we will wake up as usual and flip on some mind-numbing 24 hour news programme and there will be the following: "Major strikes against Iran occurred last night. At least 25 targets were hit by cruise missiles and US and British bombers. The President will give an address to the nation at nine this morning. Some reports say two bombers did not return to base."

And at nine: "My fellow Americans. Last night US and coalition pilots carried out strikes on Iran's nuclear production facilties. I took this decision with great pain, but our intelligence showed Iran was very close to developing nuclear weapons capability, and importantly, has on mnay occassions threatened to use this capability against other nations, including our good ally, Israel.

I know these developments are alarming to many, and I share your sadness, but keep this clear: we can not allow terrorists and terrorist supporting nations to prevail.

I would like to send out my admiration for our brave coalition forces fighting side-by-side in the Gulf. Our thoughts are with you and with your families. God bless America."

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A war with Iran?
Posted by: TT5 on Aug 23, 2007 3:36 AM   
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Sure! If you just dont mind the casualties:)

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Beautiful! A THIRD Unwinnable War!
Posted by: Tom Degan on Aug 23, 2007 4:43 AM   
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I have no doubt that these disgusting bastards are, at this very moment, formulating an attack on Iran. So eager are they to grease the coffers of the Military Industrial Complex that they would committ genocide. I have no doubt about it.

If our devil/president actually goes through with this and attacks Iran without the constitutionally mandated congressional approval, he should not only be forcably - and immediately removed from office, he should be handed over to the Hague as a war criminal. The hideous little thug has got to know that the American people will not stand for it (I hope...You never know with this country).

Does the disgusting little thug think that by invading the sovereign nation or Iran he will be able to boost his popularity as a "war president" as he did in March 2003? Does he honestly believe that the American people are THAT stupid??? Well, we're not!!! (I think....again, you never know with these people).

The trillion dollar shithammer is about to hit the fan, campers! This is gonna get REALLY interesting.

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
"The Rant" by Tom Degan

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» Tom... Posted by: bob t
» RE: Tom... Posted by: Tom Degan
» RE: Beautiful! A THIRD Unwinnable War-Forcibly removed? Posted by: Robert_Hoogenboom@leftfoot.com.au
Francis
Posted by: Francis on Aug 23, 2007 5:41 AM   
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Governments and criminals and children have something in common...when they do bad things and pay no price, they are encouraged to repeat and repeat until there are consequences. Who, in and around the Bush administration, has been hurt by the genocide of a million plus Iraqis? Does Richard Perle have any less drawn butter dripping from his flabby chin? Has William Kristol been dragged into the public square and hanged for treason? Or Lieberman? or Cheney? or Feith? or Wurmser? or Rumsfeld? or any of the other neocons who are behind the Iraq holocaust, the Afghanistan holocaust before it or the holocaust yet to be visited upon the innocent children of Iran?

There is indeed a learning curve amongst the American public. Unfortunately it seems to be both retrograde in it's trajectory and all too brief. How many times must we sit idly by and be repeatedly struck on the head by the same hammer? And if we are as powerless now as we sense we are, doesn't this augur poorly for our attempts to confound continued future adventurism? What will stop these people from reprising their act in Syria? Saudi Arabia,
or will it, perhaps, be unnecessary as the ME is in process of collapsing into chaos as a result of what we have already done? What miracle, in short, will end the careers of these highly prolific and highly successful murderers and war profiteers? Where, exactly, is the deux in this machina?

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» Governments, criminals, children...? Posted by: SatanicJamboree
» RE: Francis Posted by: opeluboy
Warmongering from Baghdad to Tehran
Posted by: Roy Eidelson on Aug 23, 2007 5:42 AM   
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For those interested in a psychological analysis of warmongering, I have recently completed a 10-minute online video entitled “Resisting the Drums of War.” It examines how the Bush administration has promoted the misguided and destructive war in Iraq by targeting five core concerns that often govern our lives--concerns about vulnerability, injustice, distrust, superiority, and helplessness. Looking ahead, the continuing occupation of Iraq--or an attack on Iran--will likely be sold to us in much the same way. The video examines these warmongering appeals and how to counter them. It’s available for viewing HERE.

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» Roy... Posted by: bob t
Militaristic Plutocracy
Posted by: shangrilalad on Aug 23, 2007 5:51 AM   
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Now we’re getting down to the nitty-gritty. Iraq the new Viet Nam, the issue Conservatives and Republicans have used to betray democracy and turn America into a Militaristic Plutocracy. According to the RIGHT, all our problems can be traced to the lefts cowardly retreat from Viet Nam. Millions of people died before, during and after the war, but those killed after America left, most concern the RIGHT. They say, “The Left is responsible for our humiliating defeat, and the loss of millions people killed in Cambodia.”

Never mind the millions killed during the war.

Since when has the RIGHT been concerned about the deaths of a few million people? Aggression and militarism always appeal to some people, that’s the way they conduct their own lives. Might makes right and they’ve got the money to prove it. Might does not make Right. The powerful oppressing the weak does not make Right. We all know that, but the Militaristic Plutocracy that rules America has a different point of view, and most of the wealth and power in America. And they use that wealth and power to dictate what we hear and see on TV. They have their tentacles into government, media and religion. That’s called control.

Some Americans are unable to see they are being controlled, some welcome control as long as it suits their personality, but there are others who resent being controlled by people who don’t care if our families starve to death. Both of our political parties have the used the bugaboo of socialism/communism and now terrorism to feed the Military Industrial Complex, owned by our Militaristic Plutocracy. That’s how our stupid and corrupt economic system and government works, everything else is fluff.

Maybe we’ll never be free of somebody’s control, but shouldn’t we at least try to understand that someone IS controlling us, and take just a moment to think for ourselves.

War is sometimes inevitable, but wars of aggression as our reason to be, is insane.

What we should have learned from Viet Nam is to question our leaders whenever they start beating the war drums. They don’t represent the people, and they lie, lie, lie.

Of all the presidential candidates, Dennis Kucinich is the least favored by our Militaristic Plutocracy.

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» RE: Militaristic Plutocracy Posted by: Glennk1949
If Ray McGovern...
Posted by: bob t on Aug 23, 2007 6:26 AM   
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...says it you can just about bet your last dollar on the truth of what the says, Same as if Sy Hirsch says some thing is so. Both of these gentlemen are totally credible, in my estimation having scoured the internet for the last twelve years and cross checked everything I can. I'm not boasting, just saying. I'm from back in the day, long before AOL ever existed. When Compuserve was king. Anyway...

Unless America wakes up and/or we bloggers and posters do all that we can to raise holy hell Baby Bush will continue to make war. And no matter what we bloggers/posters do if America doesn't wake up the Neocon Repub religious right wingers will continue on their path of death for profits and for political power and domination and dominion over the lives of all of us.

Damn the religious right, as they really are the religious wrong. There is nothing right or righteous about their death agenda. They are not one bit pro-life, only pro-death for political power and dominion over the lives of others. And that includes my religion. I know I've said this a hundred times before but if we have any chance of stopping this and the other seven wars Bush and his religious right have planned then we better point fingers and name names.

I hate to use their terminology but we have to become the tip of the spear because being nice, diplomatic, understanding and calm and gentlemanly is getting us nowhere. And in the final analysis may well get us nowhere because Rove/Bushco and the criminal Bush family have all of us by the throat. He/they the blind, lock step, neocon repubs have formed a powerful alliance of right wing religions and corporatocracy.

To use God for their own self serving political ambitions is an abomination unto God and man.

America is truly a badly fractured/deeply divided country and is being killed off for the right wingers agenda of death for all who oppose them, including all of us.

The death agenda of the right wing religions is truly shocking., that any religion could support these death-agenda thinkers is beyond belief.

I have been radicalized and scandalized by my religion, Catholicism, and my government, which obviously is no longer my government and has not been for a long time.

War and killing serves no one, least of all God, IMO. Let the religious warriors fight it out among themselves somewhere on an abandoned island out in the middle of nowhere and without nu-ku-ler weapons, only hand to hand combat will be allowed. They will not be allowed to contaminate the world with their effluvia/ flotsam and jetsam/ or their garbage mentality.

So I make a hopeful thought, some fantasy in service of ones momentary peace of mind is to be allowed in times of desperation. A temporary respite, as it were/was/is.

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RE;Militaristic Plutocracy More LIES-- and MORE_WACK-A_ MOLE
Posted by: wmGreybeard on Aug 23, 2007 6:32 AM   
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Thanks Lad & Tom!
Keep on telling it like it is.

wmGreybeard

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Dumb Amerikans
Posted by: Ydotheyhateus on Aug 23, 2007 7:11 AM   
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deserve what is coming to them i.e. a crumbling empire and the blow-back that is sure to come from all the war mongering.

AEI, Heritage Foundaation, CATO, Weekly Standard, all the pro-war pundits that dominated the so-called liberal media such as NYT, WashingtonPost et al, continue to stay in business. How come? All these institutes, and news media have been blatantly wrong on Iraq invasion, yet these same organizations are still the "leading experts"...

Are Amerikans that dumb? What a country!

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» RE: Dumb Amerikans Posted by: MindyB
We can only PRAY
Posted by: JSquercia on Aug 23, 2007 7:20 AM   
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We can only pray that the Military Commanders will remember that they swore allegience to the Constitution and REFUSE to follow any orders to attack Iran .
Hoping they would place this gang of muderous thugs under arrest is too much to hope for but in a perfect world

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» RE: We can only PRAY Posted by: MindyB
» We have a little weed of a prime minister here in Australia ... Posted by: Robert_Hoogenboom@leftfoot.com.au
DRUNKEN CAPTIN BUSH
Posted by: caru on Aug 23, 2007 7:40 AM   
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we are careening to 2012 with a DRUNKEN CAPTIN. he is making us a booze up in the mind. DRUNKEN raging around the world. DRUNKEN slovenly approach to living on this planet. DRUNKEN passed out mess of people who stupidly cheer it all on DRUNKEN MAYHEM. this country is a mess like after a bar room brawl, no one cares, everyone is passed out on the floor on the fumes of the alchohol saturated brain of the president.

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We Must Stop This Next Train Wreck!!!!!!!
Posted by: MindyB on Aug 23, 2007 7:49 AM   
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It baffles me how, after the lies and fabrications that lead our idiot elected representatives to vote for the Iraq invasion, anyone is even giving any consideration to attacking Iran based on, once again, lies and fabrications!!

C'mon!! we can't be that stupid and brain dead, can we???
Those elected representatives who are even considering the lies and fabrications on Iran should be impeached along with the president and vp!

If this country lifts a finger against Iran, after the Great Iraq Deception, we should be fair game to anybody, and I'll be on the welcoming committee.

The media needs to stop hiping everyone up with false facts about Iran, nobody knows for sure what is up because we've refused to actually find out from them!

I am so aghast, I can't even see straight, this is absolutely ridiculous.
This needs to stop now!

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Again
Posted by: Axiom69 on Aug 23, 2007 8:54 AM   
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The President will not attack Iran unless the Congress approves it. If this happens with the Democrats in control of both the House and Senate who will be to blame? Nobody will be able to say they were tricked into voting for war a second time. Believe it or not the President has little power without Congressional approval. That's why it's good for a President to have his party in control of at least one but preferrably both the House and Senate. Otherwise everything he tries to do can be shut down by the opposition. If we attack Iran look to your Congressman not the Prez.

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these wars ain't "fumbles" at all
Posted by: sidguppy on Aug 23, 2007 9:33 AM   
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the next war: not a fumble

anyone still thinking that the current war in irak is a 'fumble" or a "screw-up' needs a reality-check or wake up call and fast.
like this next war, the attack on Iran, the current wars are going exactly as planned!

there are enough US casualities to rile the rightwing into dominion-like "patriotism", keep the dumb sheeples into "hating ragheads/terrists" and ofcourse the spineless jellyfish in both congress and house roll over time and again when Bush or Cheney really want them too

follow the money, people: it's easy: the Pentagon, halliburton and several others are making BILLIONS with this war and the next one; as long as the sheeples are scared of every potential towelheaded shadow under the table nobody will seriously protest against more money on weaponry, more guns, more bombs, more death, especially when the dead occur half a world away

unfortunately our own spineless jellyfish in Europe are also hipdeep in it, most bend over for any monkey or warmonger in the white House, cause they're bought and owned by the same money as the politician parasites in the US.

they (here and over there) don't change their bent on destruction course, not even when millions hit the streets.
the only thing that will stop them in the end is armed revolt; to hunt down every single corporate business creep and politician and rope em to the lampposts. Mussolini-style, like in Italy '44.

remember they're mostly old men, they don't give a shit what's going to happen to planet earth or life on it; they want their megalomaniac kicks and they want them now

or did any of you forget what good ol' Bush answered when early in his reign some reporter had the nerve to ask him how history would judge him?
"history? we will all be dead"
.......says it all, I'm afraid.
better take em out, and fast; before they take all of us out and the whole planet too as an add-on
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Gearing Up?!?
Posted by: jeffrey7 on Aug 23, 2007 9:37 AM   
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We know Iran like the back of our hand. They were our 'friends' back in the 60's and 70's.We gave them a Navy,Fighter jets, and lots of technology. Why? Their oil makes the best gasoline! Like all of America's 'friends' we screwed them over. But not too badly, Dick Cheney and Haliburton comitted Treason and sold them weapons to fight Saddam,who we also sold weapons too.
Does the Government want Iran? Sure, because America's oil industry wants Iranian oil. Our Government runs on oil. Oil and back stabbing,double dealing,crossed finger oaths not worth the breath it takes to say yes.
This governance is corrupt. This governance is illegal. This governance is un-constitutional. It is the enemy of the People.
It's time to Think Outside the System
Draft Jeffrey7 for Prez
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Bush, Cheney, and Nazi Amerika in for a VERY BIG, VERY FATAL SURPRISE
Posted by: xbj on Aug 23, 2007 9:50 AM   
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The Big Surprise

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it is time...
Posted by: mn on Aug 23, 2007 9:52 AM   
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...for someone to put a stop to this.

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Bush will attack Iran because liberals and progressives are gutless blowhards.
Posted by: HughScott on Aug 23, 2007 10:01 AM   
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Several times on AlterNet I argued that liberals and progressives on the East Coast opposed to the Iraq occupation should drive to Washington, D.C. every weekend and jam the streets around Capitol Hill and the White House with horns blaring.

From the negative and indifferent responses to my idea, I've concluded that if Bush wanted to, he could bomb Iran, Syria and North Korea simultaneously without consequences.

In sum, without a draft to inspire ACTIVE antiwar protest, America has become a nation of self-centered sheep deserving of rightwing Republican rule.

Hugh E. Scott, Vietnam vet and editor of King-George.biz -- the only website with hardcopy proof of White House corruption.

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911 -2007-NEW FLASH- IRAN TERRORISTS ATTACK DISNEYWORLD!!!!
Posted by: WitchyNy on Aug 23, 2007 11:12 AM   
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Stand by for special news report by Katie Corrick----or turn to Fox News...

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just icing on the cake
Posted by: solrev on Aug 23, 2007 11:11 AM   
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It seems to me that AlterNet knows the value of some good saber rattling propaganda, it excites the masses. Bush needs an enemy in Iraq to blame for the fiasco he blundered into and al Qaeda is wearing thin. “I would have won in Iraq if the Iranians had stayed out of it. It was the Iranians who killed the American troops not me”. The bottom line is simple we openly attack Iran, and Iran invades Iraq and Afghanistan. Man to man and hand to hand on their home field, our ground forces would be annihilated. Iran also has the capability of knocking our Navy out of the Persian Golf. Iran would love an invasion. They would end up with the whole region, including the Shia dominated oil fields of Saudi Arabia. He who controls the spice controls the universe. If that happens it will be because that was always the plan. As for rats deserting a sinking ship, B and C probably wish they could get the hell out of Dodge. If you want to know the next plan read the tealeaves or the status quo ho.

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Iranian regime welcomes an attack because...
Posted by: persian on Aug 23, 2007 11:17 AM   
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it would just prove what they have been preaching for years, that america is an aggressive bully at the service of israel's lobby and there is no use negotiating with her .The regime has no credibility in the eyes of most ordinary iranians but that will change the moment the first missle launched. Iranians under no circumstances will side with a foreign power at time of the war no matter how much they despise their ayatollahs. What all iranains agree on is that US hostility has nothing to do with the alleged support for resistance in iraq or the alleged nuclear weapon programme. It has to do with iran refusing to sign on to american/ israel's agenda of dominating middle east. Iran sees herself as a major country with her own regional interests and this won't change no matter who calls the shots in Tehran.

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At the risk of invoking Godwin's law...
Posted by: NumberSix on Aug 23, 2007 11:20 AM   
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Let's look at this yet another way:

Iraq = Sudetenland
Iran = Poland

Now is this making sense?

Wake me when the Allies come.....

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When Nancy says support the president
Posted by: DaBear on Aug 23, 2007 1:54 PM   
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the morning after the air strikes, I'm going to puke.

If the Chimp strikes Iran, it'll be her fault for taking Impeachment off the table. Period. After her, it's the soldier-cult's fault for being good soldiers instead of warriors who know better.

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Of Course
Posted by: vertical on Aug 23, 2007 1:56 PM   
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Of course we are going to attack Iran, how else could Mr. Bush set off the Rapture.

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» RE: Of Course Posted by: xbj
It's mostly about the dollar
Posted by: Rod from Canada on Aug 23, 2007 2:37 PM   
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If Iran were to accept only the US$ for oil exports from now on, they likely would have nothing to worry about (when it comes to possible American attacks). That is what this whole business is really all about. If Iran and more and more countries demand payment for their exports in something other than the dollar (US), then the dollar's role as the world's reserve currency is doomed, with huge implications for U.S. global financial (and, ultimately, political and military) power. The decision to invade Iraq came in the aftermath of that country's decision to demand payment for its oil exports in Euros, in the fall of 2000. I would recommend checking out an excellent book, Petrodollar Warfare, by William Clark. It lays it all out in detail.

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» RE: It's mostly about the dollar Posted by: Aussie Kim
I RAN
Posted by: Glennk1949 on Aug 23, 2007 2:46 PM   
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Wasn't that a song by Flock of Seagulls in 1981?

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» You should be flogged... Posted by: justaguy
The Insignificance of the American President....
Posted by: starvinmarvy on Aug 23, 2007 3:46 PM   
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What we`re seeing at this point and time is an unraveling of the fabric that once was the United Stated of America.
We`re witnessing on a daily basis the atrocities against us.The
disregard of the "Constitution","Bill of Rights",ect. in the name of "PROTECTION"!!!!! .........huh?....what the fuck!!!!!!!
However this man...this so called leader of the "free world" got elected to the position of President of the USA...is in itself a complete mystery to me.A perfect example of what money and power can achive...where ever and whenever it desires.
Here is the most incompetent person we`ve ever known to occupy the White House.The same House that is to signify Truth,Freedom,Honor,Wisdom,and a house that reflects "hope" to other countries with corrupt regimes!! Well....
If these last two Presidential elections don`t underline the word..."INSIGNIFICANT"...to the office of "commander in chief" of my country....I`ll be a freekin monkeys uncle!!!
Lets get it together people!!!!!!

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» He was NOT elected-remember? Posted by: WitchyNy
the CIA have the most deadly job above fishing...
Posted by: eosrk on Aug 23, 2007 4:39 PM   
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and I believe to my knowledge they're doing a hell of a job out there, finding out who is who, where, how much, and the danger threat. It's just the jackasses who are in charge of it, along with "wannabe agents".

Then came the Mrs. Plame situation, which from what I understand within the pages of the UCMJ, compromising an agents' identity is treason, punishable under death, or life in prison, and for some odd reason, this strict law dosen't apply to any Capitol Hill officals!

As for the situation of that Seal Team ambushed in Afghanististan, I seriously question that one too, because them militants didn't just pop up on them without knowing their whereabouts beforehand, which also calls for an investigation at ALL LEVELS OF THE US GOVERMENT, starting with some former officals!!!

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Impeach the Neo-Nazis
Posted by: P. Hermes on Aug 23, 2007 5:13 PM   
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NOW!!!

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Only a major paradigm shift will stem the tide of bloodshed
Posted by: ld7440 on Aug 23, 2007 5:31 PM   
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It's common knowledge that 9/11 had nothing to do with the attack on Iraq; it was planned well in advance of that event. Even now, soldiers who have been fighting in Iraq have been going AWOL in record numbers, resulting in arrests and imprisonment, including women who claimed that they were being raped regularly. (Of course, the Establishment isn't going to make this public.) African-American recruits are down, so now they're targeting Hispanics, even illegal immigrant high school students! I loved the excerpt below:

The lead editorial in yesterday's Washington Post regurgitates the allegations that Iran's Revolutionary Guard Corps is "supplying the weapons that are killing a growing number of American soldiers in Iraq," that it is "waging war against the United States and trying to kill as many American soldiers as possible."

Funny. I thought that Bush and his cast of clowns in Washington were trying to kill as many American soldiers as possible. Just as there was during the Vietnam War, there has arisen an anti-war veterans movement, which is determined to educate would-be recruits about the real story behind enlistment.

So I wonder - who are they planning to send into Iran? Suddenly, there aren't too many takers. And after Iran, what's next? Shall we go back to Panama, or Costa Rica? I can just imagine the conversation in the Oval Office; "Hey, let's roll the dice and try a totally new country. Who's going to stop us?" Who, indeed.

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BIG OIL WAR @ Amerika Corp
Posted by: Hal on Aug 23, 2007 6:40 PM   
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“Bush has placed himself in a neoconservative bubble that operates with its own false sense of reality.”

McGovern seems a decent sort but his take on Bush smacks of pure limited hangout.

Puppet rodeo clown GW Bush & Co was never outside a “neoconservative bubble” . And the neo-con front itself is hardly a “false sense of reality” but a cover for the decades old sting that has cooked the nation from well before 911 COVER-UP to phony “war on terror” at public cost for private blood money profits.

With at least a trillion dollars to be spent on “war on terror” against CIA created “Al-Qaeda” (among other phony “enemies”) and over $2 trillion “missing” from the Pentagon with trillions more at stake for the U.S. petrodollar monopoly – there can be small doubt where this preemptive war of conquest was going.

The bestial parasite mob that runs Fascist Amerika is the prime “reality” that drives a Washington-MSM carny show and its faux “leftwing” press. All this for another dirty and criminal bloodbath in the pocket of organized corporate crime.

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» Hal - Ray McGovern is cool Posted by: LeftWright
A Recipe for Disaster
Posted by: sofla100 on Aug 23, 2007 7:14 PM   
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A war with Iran would be a big disaster for the American economy. The Iranians would immediately cut-off oil exports and try to close the Straits of Hormuz, where 1/2 of the world's oil passes thru. Other Arab governments might likely join in with the cutting of oil production and exports. Iran could also launch attacks against the American troops in Iraq. Finally, any actual attack might come from Israel, rather then the USA. All the weapons for the Israel attack provided by the USA of course (as always). By using a surrogate like Israel, the USA could try to keep some distance from being labelled as direct aggressors. Naturally, however, the success of bombings would be difficult to determine and a USA or Israel attack is sure to galvanize the support (among the Iranian people) of the most militaristic, hard-liners, in Iran.

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war with iran would be a disaster
Posted by: dealmeinfo2 on Aug 26, 2007 12:56 PM   
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If Bush attacks Iran, I cant even begin to imagine what a disaster that would be to the public image of the US to other countries in the world. Not to mention how messed up Iraq is now, how can they possibly even manage 2 countries at once and in the same region. This would be the dumbest think Bush has done yet. We need to move the election up to get someone with some brains in the white house.

-Chris

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We will reap what we sow
Posted by: pawndog54 on Aug 26, 2007 9:28 PM   
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The neocons have worked hard to generate hatred throughout the world directed at the US. We are going to pay a heavy price for the choices of our inept president and our maniacal vice president. If we injure enough of the world, the world may rise up and destroy our country.

Michael - www.michaelhansen.us

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» RE: We will reap what we sow Posted by: Aussie Kim
Could this be related to the Iran thing?
Posted by: mountainmama on Aug 26, 2007 10:37 PM   
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I have just finished reading an article on the website for WESH-TV channel 2 in Florida about their local troups being deployed to Washington DC for "Operation Noble Eagle" where it says, "They are ordered by the president to the nation's capital, where they will operate high-tech weapons systems against any potential air threat." Now I am wondering if that is part of the planning for the Iran attack. I'd bet everything it is!!

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America won't attack Iran...
Posted by: Whitecliff on Aug 27, 2007 2:37 PM   
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...but Israel will!

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» No one will attack Iran. Posted by: yellow
My Two Cents Worth ($C) - Penny McIlraith
Posted by: Greensleaves on Aug 28, 2007 5:02 PM   
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I had just finished responding to another article on the Alternet about the fear of terrorism. Do some Americans still not know why some countries or Muslims in particular might hate them? Hmmm, I don't know. Could it be people don't like the United States supporting dictators, overthrowing governments, making up excuses to go to war so that their oil corporation pals can secure their oil fields in those countries, terrorizing its own citizens into thinking the only way they will be safe in their beds is to pre-emptively make war at the drop of a hat?

As an after thought to finish the comments, I added something about Americans having to be careful because there was probably enough time left before the next election for Bush to talk up going to war in Iran.

After I finished those comments, I went browsing for other stories and found this one about the possibility of Bush planning to go to war with Iran. Honestly, I must have my finger on the pulse of the cosmic universe or be a genius or something.

But I hope we are all completely wrong about this. I'm a Canadian (I'm sure you guessed with the ($C) in the comment title?), and since Canadians are next door neighbours, we don't want the U.S. making any more enemies than it already has around the world. It doesn't even treat its friends well.

Canadians thought we would be thanked when the U.S. was thanking those countries who had helped with the rescue efforts after September 11th. You may not have noticed that we were purposely missed, but Canadians certainly did. Not only were people and supplies sent, many more went voluntarily to see how they could help.

Which country had to take on the risk of landing all those planes which should have landed in the U.S., many of which were filled with Americans, when the U.S. closed its airspace. Who gave Americans and others who were stranded things to eat and drink and found them somewhere to sleep (often in people's homes)? Individual Americans were very grateful, but Canada's thank you from Bush (the official one) came two years later. Maybe word got out that Canadians thought the "freedom fry" anti-French antics south of the border were an outrageously stupid revenge because France did not support the Iraq war.

But wait a second, if American citizens or country friends are traitors for speaking their mind, maybe Canada is next on the list to be bombed and not Iran. But not to worry, maybe the Americans who were billeted with Canadian families after the planes were stranded in Canada will give us a heads up if Toronto is going to be bombed some night instead of Tehran. Then we can all drive up north and watch the Northern Lights or the ice cap melt, eh?

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Philip Giraldi article from The American Conservative magazine
Posted by: fanny666 on Aug 29, 2007 12:04 PM   
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forgotten history repeats itself
Posted by: Constitutionalist75 on Aug 31, 2007 10:40 AM   
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Similar to Hitler, having bankrupted the federal treasury and nearing removal from office, Bush must arrange another terrorist attack, expand the Iraq war into Iran and launch World War Three, his Biblical Armageddon, rather than admit any fault or mistake.

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PNAC, PNAC, PNAC!
Posted by: Mycos on Sep 1, 2007 2:19 AM   
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I have been trying to tell a certain Alternet journalist that "Rearming America's Defenses", the PNAC guide to American foreign policy that was somehow written long before 9/11 and yet has been followed almost to the letter ever since, supposedly /because/ 9/11 "changed everything", is not "just another think-tank, no more important than the dozens of others that come and go in Washington".(his words!)

Yes, despite other fascinating facts such as how the 9/11 event was eerily foretold, described as being the kind of event that was going to be required to change public opinion from that of one expecting a "peace dividend" in the wake of the collapse of the Soviet Union, how that money was being earmarked as coming out of the military budget. Tell him how this was considered a disaster as far as the arms (aerospace) industry and the prominent Likud-niks you reference, and who saw the military-strategic position Israel had long enjoyed evaporating before their eyes. Tell him that there was little they could do about it in 92-93 when Cheney and Wolfowitz set their ideas to paper, and in a last ditch attempt to save themselves from obscurity aligned themselves with media insiders Kristol and Kagan, form PNAC, and Lo and Behold, hire the rest of the the PNAC wholesale immediately upon Bush's inauguration. Tell him how Cheney's election of himself as VP, the hiring of Rumsfeld, Libby, Wolfowitz, Podhoertz, Armitage, Perle, Feith, etc., etc, was not a mere coincidence....that in fact PNAC = Neocon, and that this is the group whose influence on American policy is possibly greater than that of Congress, the Senate, and The Supreme Court combined.

I fear young Holland has offhandedly equated PNAC with a the dozens of other silly 9/11 conspiracy theories that cannot withstand a second of critical analysis. This is not one of them of course. Please help advance his career by dropping him a line...perhaps a note coming from a source with a higher profile (thus to his sort, more credibility) than myself.... a person who remains unknown, yet who does indeed possess the skill you speak of earlier in the article when discussing the ability to pick and choose those media stories that have substance.

Thank you. You do the world a great favor with this.

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Bush attack Iran????
Posted by: donl51 on Sep 7, 2007 10:01 PM   
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Does a bear deficate in the woods? What the hell do you think? Does this question even need to be asked? He's a meglomaniac with a Napolion complex,actually he's a greedy little weasel that wants to control all the oil for he and his ''buddies'', .........

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