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War Psychiatry and Iraq Atrocities: How Killing Becomes a Reflex
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In 2004, the release of the Abu Grahib photographs broke the unforgivable silence in the mainstream press about atrocities committed by American soldiers in Iraq. Haditha followed, then Mahmoudiyah, Ishaqi, and at this writing, countless other instances of savage, homicidal violence directed at civilians have been reported. The July 30 issue of the Nation included an article, "The Other War," by Chris Hedges and Laila Al-Arian, which used interviews with 50 combat veterans to make the case that American soldiers are using indiscriminate and often lethal force in their dealings with Iraqi civilians. These veterans, the authors report, have "returned home deeply disturbed by the disparity between the reality of the war and the way it is portrayed by the U.S. government and American media." I would wager that they are more deeply disturbed by the reality itself than the way the media reports it, but certainly government and media distortions are another layer of betrayal. In a letter protesting that article, Paul Rieckhoff, president of Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America, made an argument parallel to that of VVAW, namely that "(a)nyone who wants to write a serious piece about the ethical lapses of the U.S. troops should start and end the article by putting blame where it belongs -- on the politicians who sent our troops to war unprepared and without a clear mission" (the Nation, 7/13/07).
I'm not suggesting that American soldiers take no responsibility for their actions. Like Rieckhoff, I would argue that we must balance outrage at criminal and sadistic acts with the insistence that we "guard against blaming this new generation of veterans for the terrible and tragic circumstances" that led to those acts. And I agree that, once again, the architects have been given a free pass and that the soldiers, who are doing exactly what they have been trained to do, are taking the blame. But I want to focus on an aspect of the situation that is never addressed in the mainstream media, and not often enough elsewhere: specifically that American troops are trained to act in criminal and sadistic ways.
Military training has been part of the experience of millions of young American men since the Revolutionary War. Prior to the Vietnam era, however, that training consisted largely of practicing military skills and learning to manage military equipment. It is only in the last half century that training has evolved into an entirely new phenomenon that makes use of the principles of operant conditioning to overcome what studies done over the last century have consistently demonstrated, namely, that healthy human beings have an inherent aversion to killing others of their own species.
Operant conditioning holds that organisms, including human beings, move through their environment rather haphazardly until they encounter a reinforcing stimulus. The experience of that stimulus becomes associated in memory with the behavior that immediately preceded it. In other words, a behavior is followed by a consequence, and the nature of the consequence, reward or punishment, modifies the organism's tendency to repeat the behavior. Today's recruits are intentionally and methodically subjected to a training regimen that is explicitly designed to turn them into reflexive killers. And it is very effective. It is also carefully concealed. The military would prefer to keep their methods out of sight because of the moral and ethical discussions, not to mention the legal restraints, which public scrutiny and constitutional debate might impose. Or so I would like to believe.
War Psychiatry, the army's textbook on combat trauma, notes that "pseudospeciation, the ability of humans and some other primates to classify certain members of their own species as 'other,' can neutralize the threshold of inhibition so they can kill conspecifics." Modern military training has developed carefully sequenced and choreographed elements of what many would call brainwashing to disconnect recruits from their civilian identities. The values, standards and behaviors they have absorbed over a lifetime from their families, schools, religions and communities are scorned and punished. Using cruelty, humiliation, degradation and cognitive disorientation, recruits are reprogrammed with an entirely new set of learned responses. Every aspect of combat behavior is rehearsed until response becomes reflexive. Operant conditioning has vastly improved the efficacy of American soldiers, at least by military standards. It has proven to be a reliable way to turn off the switch that controls a soldier's inherent aversion to killing. American soldiers do kill more often and more efficiently. Lt. Col. Dave Grossman, author of On Killing, calls this form of training "psychological warfare, [but] psychological warfare conducted not upon the enemy, but upon one's own troops."
The psychological warfare that is being conducted on today's recruits is a truly disturbing indication of the worldview of our leadership, both military and political. The group identity they are drilling into these kids, the "insider" identity, is based on explicit contempt not only for the declared enemy of the week, but for the entire civilian population, with a special emphasis on women and homosexuals. In an army that is now 15 percent female and who knows (don't ask, don't tell) what percentage gay, drill instructors still rely on labels like "girl" or "pussy," "lady" or "fairy" to humiliate, degrade and ultimately exact conformity. Recruits are drilled with marching chants that privilege their relationships with their weapons over their relationships with women ("you used to be my beauty queen, now I love my M-16"), or that overtly conflate sex and violence ("this is my rifle, this is my gun; this is for fighting, this is for fun."). Aside from teaching these kids to quash their innate feelings about killing in general, they are being programmed with a distorted version of not only what it means to be a man, but of what it means to be a citizen. To ascend to the warrior class, one must learn to despise and distrust all that is not military. Chaim Shatan, a psychiatrist who worked with Vietnam-era veterans, described this transformative process as deliberate, as opposed to capricious, sadism, "whose purpose is to inculcate obedience to command."
There are any number of ways that modern training methods both support violence, aggression and obedience and help to disconnect a reflex action from its moral, ethical, spiritual or social implications, but one of the best illustrations of this process is the marching chants, or "jodies," as they are known in the services. "Jody" is the derivative of an African-American work song about Joe de Grinder, a devilish ladies' man who is at home making time with the soldier's girlfriend while the soldier is stuck in the war ("ain't no use in going home; Jody's on your telephone"). According to the military, jodies build morale while distracting attention from monotonous, often strenuous, exertion. The following, originally a product of the Vietnam era, has been resurrected for training purposes in every war since and is an example of the kind of morale building that has been judged appropriate to the formation of an American soldier:
Shell the town and kill the people.
Drop the napalm in the square.
Do it on a Sunday morning
While they're on their way to prayer.
Aim your missiles at the schoolhouse.
See the teacher ring the bell.
See the children's smiling faces
As their schoolhouse burns to hell
Throw some candy to the children.
Wait till they all gather round.
Then you take your M-16 now
And mow the little fuckers down.
Thankfully, the brainwashing has not yet been developed that will override the humanity of most American soldiers. According to the troops interviewed in the Nation, the kind of psychotic brutality described in the marching cadence above is indulged by only a minority. Still, they described atrocities committed against civilians as "common" -- and almost never punished. As multiple deployments become the norm, however, and as more scrambled psyches are sent back into combat instead of into treatment, it is frightening to consider that the brainwashing may yet prevail. Given the training to which these soldiers have been subjected and the chaotic conditions in which they find themselves, it is inevitable that more will succumb to fear and rage and frustration. They will inevitably be overwhelmed by cumulative doses of horror, and they will lose control of their judgment and their compassion. Thirty-six years ago, American veterans tried to cut through the smoke and mirrors of the official response to civilian atrocities, the version that scapegoated soldiers and ignored those who gave the orders. As then Lt. John Kerry put it, "We could hold our silence; we could not tell what went on in Vietnam, but we feel (that it is) not reds, and not redcoats (that threaten this country), but the crimes which we are committing." The soldiers who, following orders, have run over children in the road rather than slow down their convoy will never be the same again, regardless of whether government and the media tell the truth. Nor will the soldiers manning checkpoints who shoot, as ordered, and kill entire families who failed to stop, only to learn later that no one had bothered to share with them that the American signal to stop -- a hand held up, palm towards the oncoming vehicle -- to an Iraqi means, "Hello, come here." I have heard a number of the men cited in the Nation article speak about their combat experiences, and they are tormented by what they saw and did. They want to tell their stories, not because they are looking for absolution, but because they want to believe that Americans want to know. But neither are they willing to take the blame.
They have already carried home the psychic wounds and the dangerous reflexive habits of violence that will always diminish their lives and their relationships. In return, they are hoping we will listen to them this time when they ask us to look a little harder, dig a little deeper, use a little more discernment. Or have we already arrived at a point in our collective moral development when, as Shatan predicted, "Like Eichmann, we … consider evil to be banal and routine?"
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Posted by: TT5 on Aug 22, 2007 12:54 AM
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Posted by: xbj on Aug 22, 2007 3:42 AM
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Well-deserved retribution. Nothing remotely heroic about it either.
Merely pathetic.
Wise up America. You are allowing your children to be programmed for useless miserable death to make rich bastards richer than any human has a right to be.
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Posted by: Axiom69 on Aug 22, 2007 6:17 AM
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Is this the path to a perfect utopian world? No. Until the world is a perfect utopia we will need these soldiers. The alternative is to surrender to and be ruled by whatever nation does have soldiers. I'm not sure who said it but I beleive it was Thomas Jefferson who said "Those that beat their swords into plow shares will plow for those that didn't" The fact of the matter is that we need these soldiers and they need to be trained to do their job. That is to kill. How do you turn it off? I have no clue. That's a question for the shrinks that have the "training" to deal with such matters.
The first Rambo movie, titled "First blood" actualy has an interesting sub plot about the problems faced by some soldiers trying to adjust back into civilian life. Too often this country forgets about those that have served it once their usefulness has ended. We owe it to our men and women in uniform to provide them with the best tools available to make the transition back into the "civilian world" once they leave the service of this nation. As far as atrocities on the battlefield? All wars have had them but it wasn't until the age of mass media exposure did it come into our living rooms. Now everyone can see first hand the true horrors of war. How do you stop atrocities from happening? You don't. You train to prevent them but as long as there is war there will be atrocities. It's part of war.
I am a realist. PLEASE don't leave comments about how we could stop war and create the perfect utopia by getting rid of all guns or doing away with armies or impeaching George Bush. It is a FACT. We are human and will always be killing each other.
As far as the "Winter Soldier" hearings that the author mentioned. I do believe that it was proven that 4 of the 5 that testified for Kerry were frauds. That they had never even been in combat. Maybe I have it mixed up but I believe that's the case.
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Posted by: messedup on Aug 22, 2007 6:59 AM
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The younger you start them the better.
Although I lost my taste for killing innocent creatures as I became "aware", I killed an animal recently and saw the blood, and it was a rush. I wanted to do it again.
Training humans to kill eachother is not particularly pretty but most every government is training their people to do it so when you turn on the television even you can be reminded on an almost daily basis that it is "ok".
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Posted by: robedal on Aug 22, 2007 7:48 AM
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Psychology is only one of several disciplines that the U.S. has turned into "Nazi science". It is no wonder that the trigger happy rabble of U.S. troops are are a danger to themselves and their allies as well as the enemy. "Friendly fire" be it bombing, shooting, fragging .... is a a characteristic of the behaviour of U.S. military personnel. The treatment of Calley sent a clear signal that genocidal behaviour will not be seriously punished. Although the U.S. has not set up concentration camps yet, in every other aspect they have outdone the S.S.
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Posted by: Opinion on Aug 22, 2007 8:25 AM
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"Ain't no use in calling home, Jody's on the telephone.
Ain't no use in going home, Jody's got your girl and gone."
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Posted by: shangrilalad on Aug 22, 2007 8:46 AM
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Our government, with the support of the Monopoly Media, lies and has lied to you every day of your life. When our leaders get caught in a lie, they say “You don’t, can’t understand . . . the world is complicated, and we’re doing what’s best for all of us.” If you believe that, you’re already a slave.
Nobody hates us because of our freedom, they hate our tyrannical government’s unprovoked attacks on their countries, for killing their people, and for stealing their wealth and natural resources. Both of our political parties are committed to wars of aggression, because that’s the way the tyrants who rule our country gained their wealth and power. And they always want more.
Our leaders are not doing what’s best for any of us, they are doing what’s best for them. Or so they think.
If the time comes when it all falls apart, let’s make sure none of them escape to enjoy their wealth and power.
They imposed WAR and the Law of the Jungle on the world.
Those who live by the sword, die by the sword.
Those who live by the Law of the Jungle, die by the Law of the Jungle.
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Posted by: Michael Boldin on Aug 22, 2007 9:11 AM
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Aggressive war was once punished as a war crime back at Nuremburg, and I believe that this aggressive war holds some serious moral and legal implications for all those involved.
Calling the killing of someone "self-defense" after you've gone into their home or on their property with a gun pointed at them is absurd......
That's my rant. Read on if you'd like:
"Collateral Damage is Murder" - click here
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Posted by: fearless flower on Aug 22, 2007 9:13 AM
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If we are going to turn soldiers into killing machines, we better make damn sure their training includes understanding the definition of legal warfare, as set forth in our Constitution and International Law. Our Constitution demands we abide by the "Supreme Law of the Land" that includes honoring any foreign treaties we have signed. In case anyone has forgotten, that includes the Geneva Convention banning torture and the use of weapons like depleted uranium and cluster bombs, both of which have been used in Iraq, not to mention the targeting of civilians.
War is a horrible thing and our Founding Fathers knew this. That's why they made it a laborious process to go to war, involving debate and evidence-gathering so that all the circumstances and consequences and alternatives could be thoroughly considered first. The evidence is indisputable now that our President personally manipulated and fabricated the justification to go to war in Iraq, deceiving Congress and interfering with their responsibility to come to a decision based on reliable evidence. George Bush's "Macho-ization" of the presidency has had disastrous consequences and turned our once respected Republic into the equivalent of a diabolical out-of-control Lone Ranger. A sign I saw at a rally lays things out very well: "Impeachment: The Cure for Mad Cowboy Disease!"
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Posted by: Arkham42 on Aug 22, 2007 9:21 AM
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In fact, while this article brings up many good points, as a 17 year Active/Guard member, I must say it just pushes the stereotype that we are all mindless drones who do what we are told. Many/Most of us know a lot of what we are doing is wrong but it isn't because we've been brainwashed to do it, we do it because we don't want to go to Leavenworth for Derilection of Duty! You are a sort of indentured servant in the military and too often you have to do things you know are wrong simply because someone above you orders it. How many people are going to throw away their job and family to be sent to prison if they have the choice, especially if they think they can use the excuse, "I was just following orders."
So yes, the main point of this article is if you don't want atrocities, give the military a mission it's trained for and it can win. Clear goals is what it is all about. As Churchill said, "Peacekeeping isn't a job for a soldier; unfortunately only soldiers can do peacekeeping."
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Aug 22, 2007 1:00 PM
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"It was a travesty of justice, they claimed, to focus blame on the soldiers when it was the policy makers, McNamara, Bundy, Rostow, Johnson, LeMay, Nixon and the others who were truly responsible for the war crimes that had been committed."
Let's update this:
" It was a travesty of justice, they claimed, to focus blame on the soldiers when it was the policy makers, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Cambone, Bush, Miller, Sanchez, Pace, Abizaid, Bremer, Rice, Powell, and the others who were truly responsible for the war crimes that had been committed."
See Chain of Command:
How the Department of Defense mishandled the disaster at Abu Ghraib.
by Seymour M. Hersh, 2004
"The Pentagon’s impatience with military protocol extended to questions about the treatment of prisoners caught in the course of its military operations. Soon after 9/11, as the war on terror got under way, Donald Rumsfeld repeatedly made public his disdain for the Geneva conventions. Complaints about America’s treatment of prisoners, Rumsfeld said in early 2002, amounted to “isolated pockets of international hyperventilation.”
Rumsfeld is the one who belongs behind bars - along with the rest of this corrupt administration.
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Posted by: hilaryuk on Aug 26, 2007 9:21 AM
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The plain truth is that mass killing has never been possible without the killers being encouraged to dehumanise the victims. In a world that has industralised the slaughter of humans it is impossible to continue the old myths of glory and heroism, so identifying the enemy as less human than you is the only effective strategy. Violent video games etc. may have some marginal effect on a few, but the true poison is the mundane daily diet of establishment crap that constantly narrows the definition of who is truly human. It works even with progressives on sites such as these - some say openly that they only really care about US deaths in Iraq.
Of course, there is a catch in the strategy - soldiers come home eventually and may have some difficulty in switching off their conditioning.
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Posted by: Dboy on Aug 28, 2007 6:25 PM
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Drop the napalm in the square.
Do it on a Sunday morning
While they're on their way to prayer.
Aim your missiles at the schoolhouse.
See the teacher ring the bell.
See the children's smiling faces
As their schoolhouse burns to hell
Throw some candy to the children.
Wait till they all gather round.
Then you take your M-16 now
And mow the little fuckers down.
Why does ANYONE take this 'war on terror' idea seriously? I even notice people here on Alternet talking about it as if it is real.
Dboy
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Posted by: xbj on Aug 22, 2007 3:42 AM
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Well-deserved retribution. Nothing remotely heroic about it either.
Merely pathetic.
Wise up America. You are allowing your children to be programmed for useless miserable death to make rich bastards richer than any human has a right to be.
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Posted by: Axiom69 on Aug 22, 2007 6:17 AM
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Is this the path to a perfect utopian world? No. Until the world is a perfect utopia we will need these soldiers. The alternative is to surrender to and be ruled by whatever nation does have soldiers. I'm not sure who said it but I beleive it was Thomas Jefferson who said "Those that beat their swords into plow shares will plow for those that didn't" The fact of the matter is that we need these soldiers and they need to be trained to do their job. That is to kill. How do you turn it off? I have no clue. That's a question for the shrinks that have the "training" to deal with such matters.
The first Rambo movie, titled "First blood" actualy has an interesting sub plot about the problems faced by some soldiers trying to adjust back into civilian life. Too often this country forgets about those that have served it once their usefulness has ended. We owe it to our men and women in uniform to provide them with the best tools available to make the transition back into the "civilian world" once they leave the service of this nation. As far as atrocities on the battlefield? All wars have had them but it wasn't until the age of mass media exposure did it come into our living rooms. Now everyone can see first hand the true horrors of war. How do you stop atrocities from happening? You don't. You train to prevent them but as long as there is war there will be atrocities. It's part of war.
I am a realist. PLEASE don't leave comments about how we could stop war and create the perfect utopia by getting rid of all guns or doing away with armies or impeaching George Bush. It is a FACT. We are human and will always be killing each other.
As far as the "Winter Soldier" hearings that the author mentioned. I do believe that it was proven that 4 of the 5 that testified for Kerry were frauds. That they had never even been in combat. Maybe I have it mixed up but I believe that's the case.
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Posted by: messedup on Aug 22, 2007 6:59 AM
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The younger you start them the better.
Although I lost my taste for killing innocent creatures as I became "aware", I killed an animal recently and saw the blood, and it was a rush. I wanted to do it again.
Training humans to kill eachother is not particularly pretty but most every government is training their people to do it so when you turn on the television even you can be reminded on an almost daily basis that it is "ok".
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Posted by: robedal on Aug 22, 2007 7:48 AM
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Psychology is only one of several disciplines that the U.S. has turned into "Nazi science". It is no wonder that the trigger happy rabble of U.S. troops are are a danger to themselves and their allies as well as the enemy. "Friendly fire" be it bombing, shooting, fragging .... is a a characteristic of the behaviour of U.S. military personnel. The treatment of Calley sent a clear signal that genocidal behaviour will not be seriously punished. Although the U.S. has not set up concentration camps yet, in every other aspect they have outdone the S.S.
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Posted by: Opinion on Aug 22, 2007 8:25 AM
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"Ain't no use in calling home, Jody's on the telephone.
Ain't no use in going home, Jody's got your girl and gone."
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Posted by: shangrilalad on Aug 22, 2007 8:46 AM
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Our government, with the support of the Monopoly Media, lies and has lied to you every day of your life. When our leaders get caught in a lie, they say “You don’t, can’t understand . . . the world is complicated, and we’re doing what’s best for all of us.” If you believe that, you’re already a slave.
Nobody hates us because of our freedom, they hate our tyrannical government’s unprovoked attacks on their countries, for killing their people, and for stealing their wealth and natural resources. Both of our political parties are committed to wars of aggression, because that’s the way the tyrants who rule our country gained their wealth and power. And they always want more.
Our leaders are not doing what’s best for any of us, they are doing what’s best for them. Or so they think.
If the time comes when it all falls apart, let’s make sure none of them escape to enjoy their wealth and power.
They imposed WAR and the Law of the Jungle on the world.
Those who live by the sword, die by the sword.
Those who live by the Law of the Jungle, die by the Law of the Jungle.
.
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Posted by: Michael Boldin on Aug 22, 2007 9:11 AM
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Aggressive war was once punished as a war crime back at Nuremburg, and I believe that this aggressive war holds some serious moral and legal implications for all those involved.
Calling the killing of someone "self-defense" after you've gone into their home or on their property with a gun pointed at them is absurd......
That's my rant. Read on if you'd like:
"Collateral Damage is Murder" - click here
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Posted by: fearless flower on Aug 22, 2007 9:13 AM
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If we are going to turn soldiers into killing machines, we better make damn sure their training includes understanding the definition of legal warfare, as set forth in our Constitution and International Law. Our Constitution demands we abide by the "Supreme Law of the Land" that includes honoring any foreign treaties we have signed. In case anyone has forgotten, that includes the Geneva Convention banning torture and the use of weapons like depleted uranium and cluster bombs, both of which have been used in Iraq, not to mention the targeting of civilians.
War is a horrible thing and our Founding Fathers knew this. That's why they made it a laborious process to go to war, involving debate and evidence-gathering so that all the circumstances and consequences and alternatives could be thoroughly considered first. The evidence is indisputable now that our President personally manipulated and fabricated the justification to go to war in Iraq, deceiving Congress and interfering with their responsibility to come to a decision based on reliable evidence. George Bush's "Macho-ization" of the presidency has had disastrous consequences and turned our once respected Republic into the equivalent of a diabolical out-of-control Lone Ranger. A sign I saw at a rally lays things out very well: "Impeachment: The Cure for Mad Cowboy Disease!"
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Posted by: Arkham42 on Aug 22, 2007 9:21 AM
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In fact, while this article brings up many good points, as a 17 year Active/Guard member, I must say it just pushes the stereotype that we are all mindless drones who do what we are told. Many/Most of us know a lot of what we are doing is wrong but it isn't because we've been brainwashed to do it, we do it because we don't want to go to Leavenworth for Derilection of Duty! You are a sort of indentured servant in the military and too often you have to do things you know are wrong simply because someone above you orders it. How many people are going to throw away their job and family to be sent to prison if they have the choice, especially if they think they can use the excuse, "I was just following orders."
So yes, the main point of this article is if you don't want atrocities, give the military a mission it's trained for and it can win. Clear goals is what it is all about. As Churchill said, "Peacekeeping isn't a job for a soldier; unfortunately only soldiers can do peacekeeping."
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Aug 22, 2007 1:00 PM
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"It was a travesty of justice, they claimed, to focus blame on the soldiers when it was the policy makers, McNamara, Bundy, Rostow, Johnson, LeMay, Nixon and the others who were truly responsible for the war crimes that had been committed."
Let's update this:
" It was a travesty of justice, they claimed, to focus blame on the soldiers when it was the policy makers, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Cambone, Bush, Miller, Sanchez, Pace, Abizaid, Bremer, Rice, Powell, and the others who were truly responsible for the war crimes that had been committed."
See Chain of Command:
How the Department of Defense mishandled the disaster at Abu Ghraib.
by Seymour M. Hersh, 2004
"The Pentagon’s impatience with military protocol extended to questions about the treatment of prisoners caught in the course of its military operations. Soon after 9/11, as the war on terror got under way, Donald Rumsfeld repeatedly made public his disdain for the Geneva conventions. Complaints about America’s treatment of prisoners, Rumsfeld said in early 2002, amounted to “isolated pockets of international hyperventilation.”
Rumsfeld is the one who belongs behind bars - along with the rest of this corrupt administration.
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Posted by: sofla100 on Aug 22, 2007 5:57 PM
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Posted by: JayHaden on Aug 23, 2007 4:13 AM
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» RE: Wait until 2012 when 80% of the planet has been brought up killing in violent video games
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» RE: Wait until 2012 when 80% of the planet has been brought up killing in violent video games
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» violent video games are WAY down the list of things to blame
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Posted by: hilaryuk on Aug 26, 2007 9:21 AM
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The plain truth is that mass killing has never been possible without the killers being encouraged to dehumanise the victims. In a world that has industralised the slaughter of humans it is impossible to continue the old myths of glory and heroism, so identifying the enemy as less human than you is the only effective strategy. Violent video games etc. may have some marginal effect on a few, but the true poison is the mundane daily diet of establishment crap that constantly narrows the definition of who is truly human. It works even with progressives on sites such as these - some say openly that they only really care about US deaths in Iraq.
Of course, there is a catch in the strategy - soldiers come home eventually and may have some difficulty in switching off their conditioning.
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Posted by: Dboy on Aug 28, 2007 6:25 PM
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Drop the napalm in the square.
Do it on a Sunday morning
While they're on their way to prayer.
Aim your missiles at the schoolhouse.
See the teacher ring the bell.
See the children's smiling faces
As their schoolhouse burns to hell
Throw some candy to the children.
Wait till they all gather round.
Then you take your M-16 now
And mow the little fuckers down.
Why does ANYONE take this 'war on terror' idea seriously? I even notice people here on Alternet talking about it as if it is real.
Dboy
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