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Subprime Loans = Primetime for Vampire Lenders

By Jim Hightower, Hightower Lowdown. Posted August 22, 2007.


How "reputable" financial firms are using an arsenal of tricks to extract high payments from homeowners, drain their equity and steal their homes.
Hightower's Guide to Sub Prime Mortgage Rip Off

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One of the most dramatic stories from the New Testament is of the time that Jesus encountered money changers in the temple. Enraged by their usury and sacrilege, he went on a tear -- overturning their tables, physically driving them out and chastising them for converting the temple into a "den of robbers." The Bible doesn't say where these bloodsucking lenders went, but now we know: They have re-emerged in recent years to set up their tables right here in America, working a dark alley of homeowner financing called the "subprime mortgage market." The what? Don't be deterred by the finance industry's jargon (which is intended to numb your brain and keep regular folks from even trying to figure out what's going on). At its core, this is a classically simple story of banker greed and outright sleaze. And the astonishing part is that nearly all of the rank injustice perpetrated by today's money changers is considered legal and is practiced by supposedly reputable financial firms.

That's when avaricious mortgage hucksters and high-finance manipulators looked upon this broad pool of needy, vulnerable castoffs and suddenly shouted, "Eureka, GOLD!" With interest rates remarkably low, housing prices seemingly on a nonstop rise, and (this is the Big One) practically no regulation of this low-income market, the money changers promptly began to devise clever, Enronian schemes to entice such "subprime" borrowers into high-interest, high-fee loans. Never mind that these families really could not afford (and mostly did not understand) the level of debt being piled on their backs. That was a matter for manana. Today was for raking in profits from the poor.

The subprime schemes are run through an intricate, intertwined system of loan brokers, mortgage lenders, Wall Street trusts, hedge funds, offshore tax havens and other predators. To entrap borrowers, the industry created an arsenal of arcane financial devices and maneuvers known by such exotic names as "exploding ARMs," YSPs, teaser rates, low-doc mortgages, loan flipping and equity stripping. Ultimately, these schemes are scams, extracting high payments from the families, sucking out any equity they might build up and stealing their homes.

This is one of those economic stories, like the savings-and-loan scam of the 1980s, that are usually buried back in the business section of newspapers. But, just as with the S&L collapse, this debacle is growing too big to contain, and all of us need to be paying attention. The built-in traps of the subprime mortgage market have already taken the homes of more than a million people in just the past year, and the dangers are quickly rising for millions more. This collapse in homeownership for the working poor has begun seeping into the rest of the economy, causing thousands of job losses, shaking the soundness and reputations of some major Wall Street firms, and slowly -- ever so sloooowly -- forcing lackadaisical bank regulators and clueless politicians out of their laissez-faire stupor.

How it works

You might have seen some of the come-ons: "Bad Credit? No Problem!" "Zero Percent Down Payment!" "Creative Financing!" "No Documentation Needed!" "Quick and Easy Money!"

The key to building the subprime market is hustle and flimflam -- trying to rush anxious, uninformed people into signing on the dotted line for what they're assured is the deal of a lifetime. Of course, the mortgage industry casts its work in a noble light, asserting that its primary purpose is to help extend the joys of homeownership to the masses. But an examination of key players reveals little altruism.

BROKERS. These are independent, local operators who troll for borrowers in your town and mine, using flyers, doorbells, phone calls, personal contacts, websites, late-night TV ads, data banks and every means imaginable to get low-wage renters to sit still for a home-loan sales pitch or to find vulnerable homeowners who can be talked into taking out a refinancing loan. Brokers don't actually make the loans, service them or have any stake in whether the deals work out. Rather, they are simply "finders" who are paid an upfront fee by the mortgage lenders for every borrower they deliver. And 71 percent of all subprime mortgages come through them.

The pretense is that the broker is the borrower's trusted advisor in the shark-infested waters of banking. Au contraire, Bubba. In most states, agents have no legal responsibility to represent a buyer's best interest. And, in fact, they don't, for the system gives brokers lucrative incentives to deceive borrowers.

Through a common practice called "steering," unsuspecting families are guided into the most expensive, riskiest subprime loans. For doing this dirty job, brokers are paid cash bonuses called "yield spread premiums" (YSPs) -- though you would call them by their more common name: kickbacks. The Center for Responsible Lending reports that these YSP payoffs, averaging $1,850 per loan, are added to about 90 percent of all subprime loans. That's right, struggling families are silently assessed an extra fee for being secretly steered into a loan with higher interest rates and worse terms than they're entitled to get. They're literally being robbed by their bankers.

LENDERS. These are the brand-name players you might recognize. They include nonbank lenders -- for example, New Century Financial, Ameriquest, Option One, Countrywide and Ownit Mortgage Solutions -- that sprang up to tap into the new subprime gold rush, and several of them are now bankrupt or under investigation. Many big banking firms, including Wells Fargo, Lehman Brothers and Citigroup, also joined the free-for-all by setting up their own subprime subsidiaries,

Brokers are on the front lines, but the lenders are the ones who invented the scams that are bleeding borrowers. Only a decade ago, subprime loans were a mere fraction of the home-loan market. Today, these financial instruments are an $800 billion business -- about 20 percent of all housing loans.

How did the subprime market mushroom? The lenders -- again, they are not subject to regulation -- drastically and deceptively lowered normal banking standards to draw in low-income borrowers. As one broker says, "The culture around all these subprime lenders has been, 'Hey, bring it to us. We'll make it happen.'" If a borrower can pay little or nothing down, recently had a bankruptcy, and doesn't have the income to keep up payments, the bankers say, "That's OK. Bring us that loan."

Rather than do due diligence, lenders cavalierly offer "low-doc" and "stated income" loans -- i.e., they make little or no effort to document an applicant's ability to take on this burden, instead accepting almost anyone's word about having the income to meet monthly payments. "You could be dead and get a loan," says one broker.

The loans themselves are doozies, filled with numerous and nasty provisions that set unwitting borrowers up for failure. These are tucked into 20-page loan agreements written in legal gibberish. A friendly, reassuring, always smiling loan agent flips through the pages saying, "It's simple, just sign here ... and here ... and here." Among the nasties are:

  • TEASERS. Subprime interest rates are loudly advertised to be only 7 percent or so, with only small-type notice that these are "adjustable rate mortgages" (ARMs). This means that the interest rate will explode to 11 percent or more after a couple of years, causing the families' monthly payments to jump by half or more. Over 90 percent of subprime loans contain ARMs.

  • BLOATED APPRAISALS. Subprime lenders are notorious for pressuring appraisers to inflate the value of a house, thus causing the borrower to take out a bigger loan than the house is worth.
  • HIDE-THE-ESCROW. In conventional loans, the borrower's property taxes and mortgage insurance premiums are figured directly into the monthly loan payments, with these monies set aside in an escrow account. For subprime loans, however, lenders often don't include these costly items in the mortgage, thus making the loans appear more affordable than they really are. This leads to borrower shock (and sometimes default) when the tax and insurance bills arrive separately in the mailbox. At this point, ever-helpful lenders offer to refinance the loan, thus collecting additional fees.

  • EXCESSIVE FEES. On conventional mortgages, various lender fees typically total less than 1 percent of the loan amount. By contrast, subprime borrowers commonly are hit with fees (hidden in mortgage payments) totaling more than 5 percent.

  • PREPAYMENT PENALTIES. Obviously, it's in a borrower's interest to get out of an abusive subprime loan as soon as possible and to refinance on better terms. But --Gotcha! -- more than 70 percent of these loans carry a penalty fee of several thousand dollars for paying off the loan early. In the prime market, only about 2 percent of loans contain such punishment.

  • WALL STREET. None of the above would be happening (and certainly not on such a massive scale) if the fast-and-easy money crowd on Wall Street hadn't seen a chance to make a killing on lowly subprimers. Lured by the flow of sky-high interest rates being charged to these borrowers (and abetted by the lack of government regulation in this market), Bear Stearns, Lehman Brothers, Merrill Lynch, Goldman Sachs and other giants lumbered into the action.


They set up special investment units within their banks to buy these risky mortgages from the lenders. Then the Wall Street behemoths consolidated this bulk debt, leveraged it into complex IOUs called "mortgage-backed securities," and sold these packages to wealthy speculators around the world. This Rube Goldberg financial mechanism has shoved hundreds of billions of dollars of capital into the subprime market, fueling lenders' enthusiasm for making even more of these shaky loans.

What a system! Lenders mislead borrowers, collect fat fees from them, then shift the risk of any bad loans to Wall Street. The Wall Street repackagers then transfer the bad-loan risk to their rich investors, drawing even fatter fees. These investor elites get phenomenal yields on the IOUs, then plant their profits in tax-free havens like the Cayman Islands.

It's a brilliant Ponzi scheme ... as long as all those Mr. and Ms. Subprimes keep putting their little dabs of cash into it every month. Oops! There's the rub.

The bust

Mr. and Ms. Subprime live on the economic edge, with little margin for financial downturns. In the last couple of years, three bad storms hit them. First, falling wages combined with growing inflation (fueled by rising prices for gasoline, utilities, healthcare, etc.) to squeeze their meager household finances to the breaking point. Second, their adjustable-rate mortgages began exploding; someone who was paying $1,000 a month at the start of a $150,000 loan had to pay $1,400 a month two years later.

Third, housing prices (which the whole system claimed would only rise and rise and rise) began tumbling, making it impossible for these borrowers to refinance or sell their homes to avoid financial foreclosure. When home sales were booming, George W declared this proved that his push for economic deregulation was creating a glorious new "ownership society." He was so enthused that he even designated June as National Home Ownership Month. But his laissez-faire "success" turns out to be a house of cards. As one market analyst says, "The gain in home ownership over the last four or five years is almost entirely due to looser lending standards [for subprime mortgages]."

Those cards are now crashing down. In the first half of this year, home foreclosures are up by 41 percent. Today, a record number of subprime borrowers have fallen behind in their monthly payments and face eviction (once you fall 90 days behind, lenders typically proceed with foreclosure). More than $2.28 trillion worth of ARMs are scheduled to explode to their higher interest rates between now and 2009. Two million families are expected to have the wrenching experience of losing their homes, as well as losing all the money they invested in them.

All of this is working its way up the economic chain. More than 80 lenders have gone out of business in the past six months, thousands of jobs are being cut, and hundreds of thousands of houses are being dumped on an already-saturated market (causing a further decline in prices, which makes other subprime homeowners even more vulnerable to foreclosure, which dumps more houses onto the market ... and the downward spiral continues).

Wall Street big shots are being stung as well. Bear Stearns, for example, has had to scramble to keep its two subprime hedge funds from imploding, bailing out one of them with a panic infusion of $1.6 billion. Analysts estimate that these funds are holding more than $200 billion worth of subprime loans that are in danger of default.

Regulatory shame

This abuse of vulnerable families and the resulting economic mess would not have happened without the hands-off regulatory ideology that has infected our government. There are no less than five financial agencies at the federal level that could have protected people, yet the subprime surge was allowed to proceed on the fantasy that the financial players would police themselves. The Federal Reserve Board, for example, has direct authority under the Home Ownership and Equity Protection Act to "prohibit acts or practices in connection with mortgage loans that the board finds to be unfair, deceptive or ... associated with abusive lending practices, or that are otherwise not in the interest of the borrower." The Fed simply ignored this law.

Finally, with the entire subprime system crashing around them, the regulators issued "guidelines" on June 29 requiring banks to stop some of the worst abuses, including prepayment penalties. But the new rules still allow many of the predatory practices and -- worst of all -- do not apply to the nonbank lenders that make a large share of subprime loans. In addition, the guidelines do not directly address the role of Wall Street in pushing such loans.

The subprime industry disingenuously asserts that any attempt to regulate it only hurts the poor people who receive these mortgages, for they have nowhere else to turn for homeowner financing. What self-serving hogwash! There could be subprime loans -- from public, if not private, sources -- structured and administered without deceit. Rather than target lower-income families as suckers to be had, packaging their dreams into investment playthings for speculators and tax dodgers, let's view these folks as assets to the larger community and realize that homes for them are investments in the common good. And while we're at it, let's recognize that the need for "subprime" mortgages is driven by our low-wage/no-benefit economy and by our country's growing scarcity of affordable housing. It's not merely a low-income mortgage system that must be fixed -- our leaders' pursuit of a low-income America must be stopped.

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From "The Hightower Lowdown," edited by Jim Hightower and Phillip Frazer, Aug. 2007. Jim Hightower is a national radio commentator, writer, public speaker and author of Thieves In High Places: They've Stolen Our Country And It's Time to Take It Back.

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A wonderful article to start my day,
Posted by: zyxwvut on Aug 22, 2007 1:05 AM   
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and each day my hatred of the shallowness and greed of American financial elites grows more intense. The things that orchestrated the subprime racket are not humans; they actually have far less decency than a hamster.

But I take comfort in the fact that these abuses of the poor and weak shall not go unavenged. The world is barreling toward catastrophe, what with overpopulation, declining standards of living in most countries, resource depletion issues, mounting water scarcity, global climate change, enmity between Christianity and Islam, enmity between the United States and China, enmity between the United States and Russia, enmity between Europe and China, conflicts between the United States and Latin America, rising military budgets, renewed nuclear tensions.

There are so many potentially negative variables in play that sooner or later they will interact in a way that produces a catastrophic outcome. A little tip at any time could send the global system into collapse.

In the ensuing chaos, while the system quakes and rumbles trying to settle into a new equilibrium, offing a few million people here, a few million there, the world's poor will have a great opportunity to escape from the clutches of global capitalism - the kind of opportunity that does not exist when an exploitative structure thrives.

The modern world system would not exist without the participation of the poor; that is to say, without the existence of poverty and domination. Poverty only exists on a significant scale (more than a handful of hopeless cases) when the poor cannot escape their stratified society. If the society were to dissolve into chaos, however, the former social system can be purged.

Every stupid act by the financial and power elites that destabilizes metropolitan countries and thereby the entire world system leads the poor one grueling inch closer to freedom.

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» RE: Doesn't parent post sound insane?! Posted by: SatanicJamboree
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Trickle down economics
Posted by: mizipi on Aug 22, 2007 1:14 AM   
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It works in the Third World and is now becoming more common in the US. What little the po' folk got, is beginning to trickle down to the bank accounts of those who bank in the Cayman Islands, Channel Islands and Switzerland, you know, those folks that got the huge tax-breaks the past few years, because they have to keep some of their dollars in the US where taxes are a patriotic way of supporting the government, though those foreign accounts remain secret and un-taxable.

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4.8
Posted by: kepstein7777 on Aug 22, 2007 3:36 AM   
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This is a good article. It takes a boring, confusing, but important topic, and makes it interesting, organized, and digestible.

Comments:

1. There's no such thing as a "buyer's agent". I'm glad this article pointed that out.

2. I suppose a few at the top of the chain might get hurt. But as usual, I think most of the weight will fall on those at the bottom who lose homes, jobs, savings, retirement investments, etc. as this mess ripples through the economy. I'm sure there will be some sort of taxpayer bailout. And then there will be the draconian legislation to follow, which will require first-time homeowners to give their first-born, sign double the paperwork, pay higher PMI, etc. in order to protect bloodthirsty lenders from their own excesses.

3. Having said all that, some blame should be put on those ordinary homeowners who thought they could get something for nothing, get more house than they needed, etc. A lot of our neighbors thought they were pretty slick. I wonder where they are now...Well, some of them stayed, because they jumped too late--so to speak--and eventually gave up and took the signs down. Maybe they were the lucky ones.

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It seems as if
Posted by: willymack on Aug 22, 2007 4:27 AM   
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Those "good guy" Democrats we elected to stand between the crooks and liars and us have joined those crooks and liars. Now what? What happens when every last ounce of blood has been extracted from the hapless victims of their greed, and they have nothing left to steal? Who do the crooks and liars go after next? It seems as if our current financial system is like a voratious parasite which kills its host and dies as well.

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It's not just the poor
Posted by: SteveO on Aug 22, 2007 4:40 AM   
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Many buyers and refi-ers in the Alt-A and A (prime) lending markets have fallen for the same tricks. Just because the person has a middle class income doesn't mean they won't get sucked in by the same tricks. There are plenty of high grade mortgages out there that are on the edge too, they will just take a few more months before they too join the ranks of defaulted loans.

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Free Houses for Democrats
Posted by: redbird30328 on Aug 22, 2007 5:07 AM   
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No one lends money without being compensated for taking a risk. That sub-prime lending is risky is being borne out by the recent huge losses sustained by several high-profile mortgage-backed hedge funds and the complete collapse of several large mortgage brokers. I doubt that Mr. Hightower will advocate government assistance for the thousands of professionals who have lost their jobs because of this debacle. The situation here is completely analogous to the S&L crisis and the dot.com bust - incompetent businessman (amateurs) began throwing money around without any concept of due diligence. There is no malevolent conspiracy here - just bad business. And people understand whether they can afford something or not. What Hightower and his ilk really want is a massive wealth transfer, disguised as some type of government agency and funded by a new tax on the "rich," to provide nice new homes to every needy prospective homeowner (reliable democratic voter). In his world, any misfortune suffered individually or collectively is the result of conspiratorial policies by Bush and the Republicans - climate change, hurricanes, cold days in August in NY, etc.

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A way to stop the leagleze contracts
Posted by: louexis on Aug 22, 2007 5:37 AM   
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All legal contracts should have a required disclosure of information that limits the customers rights. and an explanation of all conditions imposed by the seller. Maybe this will make the seller write a simple contract that is a fair bargain between the seller and the buyer.

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The lessons of history
Posted by: SENILEBIKER on Aug 22, 2007 5:38 AM   
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This is just a carbon copy of the UK housing crisis of 1988 - 1990, where house prices fell by 35%, and about 10% of the mortgages ended up in default and "negative equity"

All of the signs were there 105% loans, variable rates, equity withdrawal, securitisation of mortgages , overselling etc.

It took the Uk until 1997 before the market returned to 1988 prices.

Some of the steps that were taken in the UK -

All brokers have to declare their fees in the contract.

All mortgages have to be declared with an APR ( average percentage rate) over the life of the mortgage ( which shows the effect of the real rate after the discount period has expired).

A term sheet which outlines clearly all the essential conditions of the contract.

Having said that, the people at whom these selling practices are targeted tend to be very unsophisicated financially and are dazzled by the salesman's patter.

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Bankruptcy "reform" was a key component of this debacle.
Posted by: KeepsonTickn on Aug 22, 2007 6:04 AM   
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Any article on this subject should include the bankruptcy "reform" law President Bush signed into law. This gave lenders the green light to ignore common sense precautions on the presumption that, no matter how onerous the terms, the consumer would have to continue to cough up the cash. Now they are "shocked, shocked!" that poor risk consumers still default.

The federal government was quite happy to encourage the approaching train wreck, because the flow of mortgage cash-outs bolstered a fundamentally flawed, debt-based economy. Now the administration will do everything in its power to prop up the mortgage industry until the end of Bush's term. Their best-case scenario envisions a collapse immediately after the election. Then the newly elected Democratic President and Congress can be blamed for the disaster that Bush, the Republicans and a few enabling Democrats have wrought.

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equity stripping
Posted by: DrXyzzy on Aug 22, 2007 6:05 AM   
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We need to bring financial wheeling and dealing into the light of day. I first heard equity stripping explained in part 3 of the excellent Wizards of Money series.

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Francis
Posted by: Francis on Aug 22, 2007 6:10 AM   
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Mr. Hightower's remarks will never find their way to the MSM. On the McLaughlin Report, two weeks ago, Mortimer Zuckerman dismissively blamed the borrowers for the subprime mess...no mention of the Fed, the other regulators, the bankers, Wall Street, or the brokers. Interestimng that Alan Greenspan watched this entire mess rise to a crescendo under his leadership and never stepped in to deter any aspect of it. Such a GENIUS! and so HONEST! How could this ever slip by him?

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What happens to the poor?
Posted by: angel8580 on Aug 22, 2007 6:17 AM   
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I personally worked in this environment for over a year. Everything this article says is true. Lenders really did and still do all of these horrible things and more. I worked for a reputable company that had been in business for many years. The company that bought them out used this name to exploit every one of its customers. When I got hired on to the company they had just fired an entire office for forging income documents on most of the loans they had closed in the last year. None of those customers who unknowingly qualified for a loan they could not afford were contacted.

It is very clear that these companies have made incredible amounts of money exploiting poor and unsuspecting citizens. It seems like everyone is concerned about the stock market (which they should be), but what is happening to these people who are losing their homes? Why aren't these lenders being held accountable to the homeowners? I know the homeowners signed a contract, but the company I worked for also fired people for not giving the customers all the paperwork or covering up the fees. These people deserve proper counsel and should be retaliating against these companies, but are too poor and homeless to have the time. It is a terrible injustice.

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Greed is Good
Posted by: american on Aug 22, 2007 6:23 AM   
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The lenders already make a whole lot of money before defaulting occurs. Much of this went in to multi-million dollar salaries and bonuses for the heads of these predatory companies based on projected revenue they knew were very, very shaky (reflected in the interest rate).The money is now in Switzerland.

Also, the lenders still own the homes. Their revenue is down, but the homes are an asset - part of their companies’ value. They look at their revenue stream and their bottom line and then squeal at the government to bail them out. Alternatively, they could ease back on their voracity a few notches and repackage the loans so that the borrowers could at least make payments, enabling the companies to stay afloat while the hapless borrowers wait for the Bush Economy to kick in to gear (although this is really less profitable for the owners, and I know it is more complicated for the repackaged stuff; albeit they conveniently skirted the rules when problems were not yet evident-). This way they get to keep their cake and eat it too, along with a free limousine ride to and from the party!

Don’t you see how greed is good?

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Just paying down Chapter 9-11
Posted by: Bobsays on Aug 22, 2007 6:27 AM   
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That's what the President calls it. Just another way to fund the war. And the big suckers are all the home owners. Hope you liked the joke. Did you think it was funny? George did.

Now just wait for those flatulant, bad teeth people the British to implode on all their debt (it is worse than the US). Only the British now live in an island cage packed to the rafters with people, and are already turning on each other like half-starved lobsters in a water tank. If only Kubrick were still alive; he would make an excellent movie.

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stan
Posted by: samco on Aug 22, 2007 6:40 AM   
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I dabbled in the industry a little in the peak of the subprime lending period. The one thing not quite correct in the article is the talk about kick backs or YSPs. That's not really how it works.

A broker gets a rate card from a lender which basically gives various loan rates and how much the broker will earn on each of them, if they convince the person to take that rate.

So the higher the interest rate, the more the broker makes. That goes for prime or sub-prime loans. It's just the way it works. If someone steers a person towards a higher interest loan they earn more.

I agree there's a lot of blame to go around, but I can't totally excuse the borrowers themselves, as the author seems to do. I've gotten into trouble with debt and credit cards -- and I'm not completely out of it yet. And to some degree the banks are at fault, but I also knew what I was doing and the risks I was taking. The idea implied by the author, that the borrowers were all too stupid to know what was going on is condescending.

While many of these foreclosed upon folks were innocent victims, I would guess at least as many just took a risk that didn't work out.

My point basically being, let's just include the borrowers in the equation.

Stan

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Create Wealth - Spend Money
Posted by: anothername on Aug 22, 2007 6:41 AM   
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Check out Catherine Austin Fitts's opinion about the engineered housing bubble and how both the Republicans and the Democrats created it at www.solari.com.

I am working with non-profits trying to build wealth and opportunity for lower-income women. I regularly object to the inclusion of owning a home as one of the measurements. The federal government decided people should buy homes, which led to non-profits making homeownership a priority in order to receive federal funding to pay their operating expenses.

Meanwhile, I am regularly ridiculed when I live in smaller and lower quality rental units in order to save money for a down payment. The increasing costs of renting, due to increasingly restrictive requirements on tenants, have made saving money more difficult. But I believe the pressure on tenants is an intentional balance to the pressure on low-income households to buy houses.

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MAKES YOU WONDER
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Aug 22, 2007 7:03 AM   
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If someone can't afford to own a home why would anyone think that tailoring loans and giving them cute names would change anything. Or that adding fees for various things would 'encourage' people to pay. It's called loan sharking. On a grand scale it doesn't work. It's impossible to screw just one segment of the population and bring them to their knees. It somes back and bites everyone else on the ass. It has always been that way. Thanks, ANNA

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» Simply and Eloquently put. Posted by: KeepsonTickn
Repugwicans behaving badly, I am SHOCKED
Posted by: james2021 on Aug 22, 2007 7:45 AM   
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The Repugwican Rallying cry was for Less Regulation. This actually was implemented as less Regulation for Business, and more Regulation of individuals. The Doors were thrown open to all the crooks and the General Public was no longer protected from the predators. The Repugwicans were more interested in keeping Terri Shaivo alive forever, or until her benefits ran out, preventing abortions, Gay marriage, etc.

Meanwhile, Iraq is rapidly draining US resources, and Sub Prime fiasco, and hedge funds are moving us toward a new Great Depression.

Business cannot be trusted to self regulate itself, and polititians who spread such crap should be jailed.

Institute Capital Punishment for White Collar Crimes.

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The Other Side of the Rainbow or IT’S NOT SUBPRIME
Posted by: DrSuess on Aug 22, 2007 7:47 AM   
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I am living in an area that is “ahead” of the curve on the mortgage crash- Indiana. We have competed for the dubious title “highest foreclosure rate” for several years. I am here to tell you that the sub prime crash is not SUBPRIME. Here there are big beautiful 2000+ sq foot houses in brand new subdivisions that are in foreclosure at high rates. I talked to a friend who is in one of those beautiful new subdivisions, and there are 2-3 vacant homes on his expensive large house block. These are all middle class houses. The hardest hit parts of town are NOT the poor houses downtown (though they are struggling). The peaks of the foreclosures are in houses that are 2-4 years old.

THAT’S RIGHT- NEW HOUSES. AND IT IS NOT JUST THE “CHEAP” STARTER HOMES EITHER. IT IS THE BIGGEST AND MOST EXPENSIVE OF THEM ALL. THE BANKS USED ARMS TO “UPSELL” LARGE NUMBERS OF MIDDLE CLASS PEOPLE INTO BIGGER HOUSES.

In 1999 and 200 I was shopping for a new home, and I was amazed at what I could qualify for. I was offered loans on my $60K programmer’s salary that exceeded $250,000. I was not a sub prime borrower. These loans were all arms (which were not explained). I made some calculations- and discovered that this would take me over 50% of my take home pay- and that was before the mortgage started adjusting. I thought these were ridiculous amounts- and I didn’t need a house that big. So I kept looking. But I know many people who didn’t keep looking, and fell for the salesman. All these ARMS and other fancy gimmicks were used by new home builders to double the size of house that a buyer could afford.

While the older homes have problems- the foreclosure rate is lower in the “poor” parts of town. In the older neighborhoods, there are lots of people who have owned their homes for a long time. The banks in Indiana had a two tier mortgage system. The “old” houses went through a stricter process where owners had to be more qualified to buy. But my cat could buy a new home.

Based on what is happening here in Indiana- the problem is just getting started. Indiana has lost our title of foreclosure king- not because things have gotten better. Rather it is for the more horrible reason that states with larger populations have started to turn over. If you want to know what will happen in the next few years- just study Indiana, Ohio, and the rest of the “rust belt”. It is not a pretty picture- and it is not just the “POOR” people who are affected.

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the Heist; Subprime Loans
Posted by: eosrk on Aug 22, 2007 7:51 AM   
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Part 4

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Criminals
Posted by: Stellaa on Aug 22, 2007 7:58 AM   
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I have worked in affordable housing for over 30 years and now I am retired. I watched this debacle and no one did anything. Where was the Federal Reserve Bank that oversees mortgage lending? Staffed with free mareketteers letting the market do it's tricks. Where was Congress? All, eating from the donation plate of the lending industry. The Democrats let these scavengers destroy their base, thanks Mr. Dodd. Where was HUD? Ahh, making sure that a single mother does not get a dollar more on the voucher program.

I tried to talk people out of the loans, but the flim flam, Hightower is right, was way too powerfull. A number of people were told that I did not want them to be part of the great boom in real estate, that I wanted to shut them out. Now they are asking me how to solve the problem. Frankly, there is no solution unless lenders reduce the loans by 50 % or so to make the mortgages affordable and forgive the rest, what else are they going to do? Own millions of houses with no potential buyers? My fantasy solution, which would never happen, is that everyone for a few months not make any mortgage payments. Really bring them down and force a change in the lending standards.

If we scracth the surface I am sure it's the same boys that brought us the S&L fiasco. The only surprise to me in all this was that the Europeans and the rest of the world bought these securities in light of how strict their lending laws are. The flim flam worked there as well.

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Free Economics Lesson for Redbird
Posted by: lamar on Aug 22, 2007 8:29 AM   
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What irks me is that people like redbird30328 is that they rail against people who make imprudent financial decisions, yet they don't apply the same austerity to the corporations that make the terrible business decisions. He even cites to "1000's of professionals" who have lost their jobs because their bosses have sleazy business practices. Then he cites to the failure of several large mortgage brokers and hedge funds, but fails to mention that the holding companies will get bailouts if they are in trouble.

The fact that redbird30328 can't account for is that Wall Street is getting bailed out, like it always does. The Fed and other governments have injected billions of dollars of cash into the market. That's NOT free market.

For all your free market talk, you fail to recognize that the free market isn't in play here. Big business gets bailed out. Medium business loses some profits. Small businesses take their profits and close up shop (limited liability). The only real losers are people who lost their homes.

Hightower favors government regulation, and perhaps in the current non-free market state of our economy, such regulation could work. I tend to think that the free market would work, but for it to work, Wall Street gunners would have to take the austere consequences when their sleazy schemes fail.

If anybody should get a bailout, it should be the people who got in over their heads. If the Fed bailed these people out, the mortgage industry would be in the same position as it is now (getting bailed out by the gov't), but people would keep their homes.

I believe in the free market and personal responsibility. Redbird30328's comment fails because he doesn't believe big business should be subject to the same level of responsibility as homeowners.

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Thanks to Jim Hightower
Posted by: daspendlove on Aug 22, 2007 8:42 AM   
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That was a great article. I work in the foreclosure industry, and I found that his facts were right on.
I just wanted to say thanks for showing it like it is.

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Ridiculous
Posted by: Bart Thesc on Aug 22, 2007 9:03 AM   
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I certainly don't feel sorry for any of the financial institutions who have stuck themselves in this mess, but the borrowers who are crying boo-hoo about the big bad lenders who talked them into loans they "didn't understand" are full of nonsense. We are talking about possibly the largest financial transaction of your life. If you claim that you didn't understand what you were getting into then you are one of the biggest fools on the planet. I agree wholeheartedly that the loans were predatory and that they took advantage of people, but what they were taking advantage of was peoples' greed, not their stupidity.

That said, I, for one, am glad to see these lenders getting bit in the a** by their own greed and I expect that we will see quite a few more announcing major pain or bankruptcy in the near future. The unfortunate thing is that this problem will likely cause major dislocations in the world's economies and many people are going to be hurt by the greed of a few.

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» RE: Ridiculous Posted by: kmart35
Lots of complaints; if you can't state the answer, I will.
Posted by: ABetterFuture on Aug 22, 2007 9:20 AM   
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If the problem is increasing the availability of money to risky borrowers, then the answer is federal regulation that requires the vast majority of home borrowers ("home owners" is a misnomer) to put up 20% of the value of their home, have a positive income in which the mortgage consumes no more than 30% of the net monthly income, and have a VERY relatively low debt, and have been employed continuously for some arbitrary amount of time.

Exceptions might be made for veterans, fha, low-income initiatives or other programs that emphasize "social good" over objective analysis of a borrower's ability to pay.

That puts the onus on the borrower to:

a) demonstrate the ability earn a living

b) demonstrate some basic ability to save and spend wisely

and it also improves the borrower's standing by

c) making sure every borrower goes into every home "owning" at least a bedroom and a toilet (~20%, remember)

d) if times get rough, it all but guarantees that the home borrower would be able to walk away with SOME cash in their pocket

e) actually have, in their hands, twenty or thirty thousand dollars before they commit to saddling themselves with a $100,000 or $150,000 home-borrowership sentence. You'd be surprised how much more people will think about spending the money they have, versus when they can just "sign-and-drive, save-baby-save".

So, there's the heavy-handed answer would solve the author's complaint that people who have scant resources and are poor lending risks shouldn't be lent money. Beyond that, it would have an absolute chilling effect on the price of homes, due to the scarcity of genuinely qualified buyers.

I favor better financial education in this country, empowering people to take control of their money--especially the poor, so that they understand exactly what they are getting into with not just bad mortgage deals, but also Al Sharpton enterprises, car (f)leases for POV's, credit cards, and all manner of what should be obvisously BAD fianancial decisions to anybody who understands the first thing about the time value of money.

Short of instituting federal guidlines on who can and can't borrow money, there are some areas in which nominal measures might help. Plain-language reform of lending documents, more transparency in the lending process, and regulating out of existence the true, demonstrable sharks of the consumer lending market could have a positive impact.

Education would be a better choice.

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» Translation: blame the victim. Posted by: thoughtcriminal
» You respun my post! How clever! Posted by: ABetterFuture
» You claiming that I make a claim... Posted by: ABetterFuture
» All arguably valid points. Posted by: ABetterFuture
» Very sensible comments Posted by: Bobsays
» Very sensible comments Posted by: Bobsays
» Get the heck out... Posted by: ABetterFuture
EARN MILLIONS IN REAL ESTATE!
Posted by: vomeggido on Aug 22, 2007 9:48 AM   
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These horrible advertisements that we are inundated with daily about earning millions in the real estate market is nothing more than capitalizing on kicking Americans out of homes they are struggling to hang onto as they tread water in our drowning economy.

Of course the banks will back you up even if you have bad credit or no credit, because the loan passes and someone will be right behind you to buy your investment at cheap foreclosure prices.

I used to work in real estate- its fucking gross. Banks and mortgage brokers are about the slimiest creatures on the planet.

We make the banks rich while doing their dirty work for them. The added plus is we keep increasing the homeless problem and increase poverty levels by capitalizing on the bankruptcy of our neighbors.

By buying a cheap foreclosure property (the family that used to live their is now living in their car or back in with relatives) and you move into their old home at a discount. Oh, yeah you are successful alright. Three cheers for you!

Well, Karma is going to bite you right in the ass- and when you are living out of your car- fondly remembering when you lived in that house with all your belongings- that house which you fucked some struggling family out of- well don't bum change from me- cause I will likely punch you in your ignorant, stupid fucking face!

Sorry for the anger folks! I just get so damn mad because it is so obvious- sadly the majority of people do not understand what they are doing- even after its done- they never think about the family that is in exactly the same position they are in now- The just sit there wondering- why me?

That's why...Asshole. That's why.

I apologize to my fellow Americans for ever selling real estate and supporting that evil empire. I really do sincerely apologize.

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Borrowers Beware
Posted by: HughScott on Aug 22, 2007 9:49 AM   
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My wife and I are retired, with a credit rating of 800 and our Southern California home paid off.

Solicted last week by a cold-calling Home Finance Corporation (HFC) agent, we considered taking cash out of our property with a prime, 30-year first mortgage equal to 10% of the property value.

The agent offered us a fixed 7.25 interest rate over the phone which became 7.85 when we met him at his office the next day. The “low” origination fee he promised also jumped -- by more than a $1,000. Obviously, the agent had applied the old bait-and-switch technique used by car salesmen. And this from a supposedly honest loan compay.

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» RE: Borrowers Beware Posted by: RacerX
What about the realtors role in all of this?
Posted by: Tim Chadron on Aug 22, 2007 9:53 AM   
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Maybe I am way off base here as I certainly am no expert on this subject (or most others for that matter!) but it seems to me the local realtors helped to create the rise and subsequent tanking of the housing market by helping to drive up the costs of homes all across the country. After all, most folks allow the realtor to set the price of their homes for them, supposedly based upon information that only realtors possess regarding the prices of homes in their area and of similar design. Well, if I am making 6-10% on every home I sell, it certainly helps me to drive the prices up a bit so my cut (for doing extremely little in the way of work I might add) goes up.

THis may be a simplistic view, but it is something I have personally noticed in the region of the country that I live. Feel free to educate me if I am wrong.

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Some more good articles on this:
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Aug 22, 2007 10:02 AM   
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The Grapes of Wrath Return, Brent Budowsky

Save Subprime Borrowers, Not Bloated Bankers, By Dean Baker

This is an ongoing theme in the United States - wealthy corporate interests are protected from financial losses as well as criminal prosecution by their tools in government positions. Just look at the excellent Corporate Crime Reporter - people get sent to prison for decades for stealing a pencil under 'Three Strikes" laws, while corporations pay fines that are tiny percentages of their illicit profits and continue with business-as-usual.

How many of these lenders will be prosecuted under predatory lending laws by the US government? Probably zero.

Brent Budowsky has spelled it out very clearly: Gilded Age Crime: Poor Go Homeless, Wealthy Get Bailouts

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This article isn't the whole picture
Posted by: RacerX on Aug 22, 2007 10:18 AM   
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As a broker and seeing this from the front lines I have a little different perspective on it.

First, lenders and brokers aren't all to blame, a good portion of the blame has to be put on the borrower. But then again it's always easier to feed others your crap than eat it yourself.

First, when done properly there are numerous Federally mandated disclosures that need to be signed by the borrower, including a Truth-in-Lending disclosure that reflects a "worst-case scenario" of the mortgage payments. If all the proper disclosures are signed as the Feds require there is no way the borrower doesn't know what he is getting into.

Second, sub-prime loans are a way for lower FICO score borrowers to be able to realize home ownership. Yes, there is a higher interest rate to these loans because these are higher risk borrowers. The lower the risk the lower the interest rate paid. It is fact that a borrower with a 580 FICO is 8-times more likely to default on any loan or credit card as a borrower with a 660 FICO. Sub-prime loans are usually fixed for 2 to 5 years to give the borrower time to repair his credit and refinance with a better loan. Unfortunately many of them haven't done anything to improve their credit and can't refinance when the adjustable rate comes due. Is this the bank's fault or the borrower's?

Third, the borrower knows what he can afford in a monthly payment. Also, lenders have a debt-to-income ratio (known as DTI) maximum that they will allow, if the mortgage payment puts the borrower above the maximum DTI the lender will not approve the loan. At this point the borrower has to look for a less expensive home that he can afford payments on.

Fourth, prepayment penalties. Many loans care prepayment penalties, both prime and sub-prime. Lenders offer lower interest rates to the borrower for having a prepayment penalty, but the option of waiving it is always available for an 1/8 or 1/4 higher rate. Only government-insured loans like FHA, FannieMae, and FreddieMac don't require or option prepayment penalties.

Prepayment penalties are a means by which the lender can minimize their risk exposure by insuring the investors a minimum return on their money. It also protects the lender from losses associated with the origination costs of the loan in cases of house flippers who get a mortgage on an investment property and then sell it before they've made even a couple of payments. The lender loses money in these cases and nobody is in business to lose money. Even if you are a W2'd employee you wouldn't pay your employer to work for him.

Fifth, bloated appraisals. In my experience as a broker it is a sub-prime lenders review of an appraisal that is a broker's concern. Usually the sub-prime lender disputes the appraisal, not pressures appraisers to pad it. Also, virtually every lender-ordered appraisal I've dealt with came in lower than an independent appraisal.

Sixth, HIDE-THE-ESCROW. Most sub-prime lenders REQUIRE escrows for property taxes and hazard insurance to be included to protect themselves from possible tax liens if the home owner doesn't pay their property taxes and losses if the home were destroyed or damaged in a natural disaster or fire.

Seventh, EXCESSIVE FEES. This can be very true in the sub-prime market as you get some unethical loan officers that think "they're lucky to be getting a loan" and justify their high fees that way. These are the crooks and a good reason people should shop for a mortgage and compare fees. For instance, I charge the same 1% broker fee for originating a sub-prime loan that I do for an A-paper loan. To me, it's only right. Many states are now requiring loan officers be licensed and pass criminal background checks. This allows the state to revoke a license and press charges against those unethical loan officers.

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» RE: Risk?? Posted by: kmart35
25 ghostcommander
Posted by: 25ghostcommander on Aug 22, 2007 10:23 AM   
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Face it folks---We do not have a government anymore. The Bush mis-administration is just clearing house for Corporate America to economically rape, pillage, and plunder the Citizens of the USA.

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» RE: 25 ghostcommander Posted by: Glennk1949
This is our government
Posted by: lamar on Aug 22, 2007 12:09 PM   
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Oh we certainly do have a government and it's pumping billions of dollars into Wall Street to avoid a sub-prime meltdown.

See, the government can't bail out homeowners because then people would act irresponsibly in the future. But government can bail out Wall Street despite its irresponsibility, because Wall Street hires people to lobby Democrats and Republicans to protect them from the consequences of their actions.

Under a regulatory system, big lenders wouldn't be able to make predatory loans. Under a free market system, the same lenders would go out of business. We can debate the merits of these all day long. What is abundantly clear is that allowing the predatory practices while bailing out the industry when it's mess gets too big is a result of buying members of congress through lobbying.

That is our government.

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Sub-Prime citizens
Posted by: persian on Aug 22, 2007 12:18 PM   
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Most people who have been vicimized by predatory practice of sub-prime lending industry are financially illitrate. The pride and joy of home ownership is so inticing that they take leave of their senses by signing on to these high rate loans, knowing full well they will have difficulty making the required monthly payments. What these sub-prime citizens don't realize is that these shark brokers work on behalf of the loan sharks at the major financial institutions. The govenment could care less if millions lose their homes or are being taken to the cleaners, their main concern is the health of the financial system, i.e banks, brokerage houses. America is the only place where those who can afford the least, pay the most.

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Financier's Holiday
Posted by: jeffrey7 on Aug 22, 2007 12:23 PM   
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This is the kind of financial institution crap I've been talkinmg about for years. They are facillitating a depression.
Co-conspiritors in yanking your money out of your wallet!
Compound interest rates allow them to make money fist over ass,and ARM loans given to folks that clearly can't afford the rate hikes,sets up a dangerous situation for the average person.
Don't pay any attention to the whinning of the bankers as they say they're loosing money on default loans,they've got tax and insurance protections. If things get real bad they can Chapt. 11 themselves out of trouble. How about the homeowner? Or should we say the EX-homeowner.
Their credit is ruined. Not to mention their psyche.Now they have to move to another neighborhood,paying the same amount,for a worse house,in a worse neighborhood,the family starts a decline. Maybe they argue more or the kids act out,maybe even substance abuse comes around. Why?
Because some yahoo that needed to make a sale to get his quarterly number conned some underinformed person a house they could never afford,to pursue a dream they can barely reach,for a country that thinks of them as some statistic that will soon offer up their children to defend a freedom few if any truly have.
The banks aide in the control of the government,the politicians, and even you. They need to be controled as much as crooked politicians do. It's time for 'Non-Profit Banking' to become reality. It's time to Think Outside the System.
Draft Jeffrey7 for Prez....
www.youtube.com/RevJeffrey7

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teaserpony
Posted by: teaserpony999 on Aug 22, 2007 1:20 PM   
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House flippers panic sweat cry
No longer super sexy greed EZ money honey
No boat floats in the Sea of RED ink

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The Republicans have politicized virtually every regulatory agency in the Federal Government.
Posted by: boblecht on Aug 22, 2007 1:46 PM   
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I think this process started with Newt Gingrich's "Contract ON America." Regulatory functions that were in place to protect citizens from abuse by corporations were attacked and "defanged" through legislation, and the federal agencies charged with enforcing regulations were systematically defunded to the point their function in safeguarding the citizens against corporate malfeasance was neutralized.
The commonwealth of this nation has suffered greatly from these processes. Almost every corporate scandal in the past decade is the result of these two very successful Republican strategies.
Government of the people by the corporations for the corporations is not Democracy--it is Fascism. You could look it up in your dictionary.

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So... MAKE THE BANKS AND REALTORS PAY!
Posted by: edstate on Aug 22, 2007 2:26 PM   
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...NOT the taxpayers.

There's no doubt there was *some* deception here. A lot of poor, uneducated people got *tricked* into doing something they shouldn't have.

In fact, when I put my tinfoil hat on I think that maybe these Hedge Fund managers actually WANTED this to get as bad as possible so the Government would HAVE to bail them out. I mean... these people are supposed to be so smart? They didn't see the last five years of articles, TV specials and friggin sky writing warning of a sub-prime collapse?

That said, let THEM bail out the people who were TRULY defrauded. Not us. No way.

Oh, and by the way: media people, politicians and banks... "Home Ownership" is NOT the American Dream.

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Ralph Nader on the Sub-prime loan bailout scandal
Posted by: fanny666 on Aug 22, 2007 3:14 PM   
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Outlaw The Crooks: Effective Government Regulation Needed
Posted by: sofla100 on Aug 22, 2007 5:47 PM   
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This problem has its origins in the laissez faire, poorly regulated, mortgage and loan sectors. Clearly, the American government failed to properly regulate this industry and many now are paying the price. Many of the loan products brokers offered should simply have been illegal in the first place. The government should have defined what is acceptable, outlawing usury rates and adjustable rate mortgages from the get-go. But, alas, here we are. What this shows is how the greed and the corruption of elite big money has infected and decimated the American governments regulatory apparatus. We need to get money completely out of politics. No more of this nonsense. After the S&L debacle, Enron, the (now never talked about) de-regulation of electricity (that decimated California), here we have another one. We need strong and effective regulation of the mortgage and loan industries.

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Proof Positive…
Posted by: whyoung on Aug 22, 2007 9:50 PM   
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…that Reaganomics works!

The greatest president my ass.

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why is the stock market rising again?
Posted by: andy on Aug 23, 2007 12:53 AM   
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i dont get it! bloomberg is awash with predictions of an impending recession, yet the stock market continues to reclimb. Are these invester people farkin nuts or is it just a way for fund managers to lure in more suckers and then quickly bail with their money.

this is an incredible bubble that must be popped. the last place id be lookin to put my cash is the stock market.
The good times are over!

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» It's a crack-up boom Posted by: Bobsays
There is a difference between subprime and predatory
Posted by: kathyel66 on Aug 23, 2007 4:55 AM   
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Please be careful folks - subprime describes ONLY the creditworthiness of the borrower, not any term or feature of the loan product, abusive or not. There are good, responsible subprime lenders out there -- lots of them credit unions, the industry I work in, whose current mortgage default rate is FAR below all other lenders. Responsible subprime lenders provide financial education for low-income families and work with those families to get them loans and homes they can afford. The problem Mr. Hightower wrote about is PREDATORY subprime lenders, a different and highly reprehensible breed. But please don't throw the subprime baby out with the predatory bathwater; subprime lending is not inherently bad.

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Putting it all together
Posted by: anothername on Aug 23, 2007 6:00 AM   
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This has been a good discussion. It has reminded me of parts of the problem that I forgot and alerted me to parts about which I had not thought.

I wanted to connect this to a couple other discussions. One is the call I heard from many people after Hurricane Katrina that in order to prevent poor people from being left behind in the future, America needed to figure out how the poor could get cars. Forget public transit investment, pile more debt on the poor by forcing them to buy cars and the insurance and other requirements that go with the responsibility of ownership. It is the same mentality that is pushing homeownership for everybody.

The other discussion is connected to Matt Bai’s call for the Democratic Party to come up with an ideology. On the Alternet discussion about this topic, I opined that my decades-long search is for a party that does not penalize Americans for doing the right thing. In the current presidential contest, Democrats are pushing for health care reform and against the war in Iraq. Yet, as this discussion on the current housing and credit situation makes clear, issues as complex as these involve government policies, private investment, and individual choices. We cannot just call for troops to be out of Iraq, we have to have an underlying belief as to what we want the U.S. military’s purpose to be. We cannot just toss out fashionable cures for the illness of American health care, we need to have a belief about health care from pre-natal to post-mortem (e.g., organ donation).

Whether the ideology is “Each to his self, according to his greed” or “Each to his own, according to his need,” or “All for one and one for all” or something else, the Democrats (or Republicans, Libertarians, or Greens) need to have an ideology that will guide them in setting rules and passing laws for all of those government policies, private investments, and individual choices that come into play in housing, transportation, the environment, national security, economic development, and so on.

We have identified the problems (and benefits) behind pushing homeownership. Now, how do we go about creating an alternative for an economy driven by home equity loans and construction of new housing for new homeowners?

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As the man said, "subprime=subcrime." It was a Wall Street Scam!!
Posted by: yellow on Aug 23, 2007 12:12 PM   
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Everyone now knows that the entire subprime scandle was a Wall Street scam to stuff the banks and bloat the financial markets with the hard earned dollars of the working poor who were drawn into the housing market when they shouldn't have been and will now lose everything as the big investment funds who bought these loans and used them to back securities offerings got rich. The real question is why? Was it just another get rich scam?

My take is that late capitalism is inherently stagnant. The economy limps from quarter to quarter and is increasingly financialized used debt to prop it up rather than solid investment, production and GDP growth. Redistribution or some major catastrophic event to restructure capital globally would be necessary to achieve a fifth long wave of capitalist expansion. Failing this, capitalists continue to scam and use financial creativity in an economy that is highly skewed to the rich in order to concentrate wealth and income further and keep the entire capitalist game in play. Sometimes it works for a while. Sometimes the plan collapses and the poor get knocked for a loop. Then the Federal Government comes in to rescue the rich on the grounds that "they're to big to fail." Then it all starts over again.

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Good article. Too bad a lot of people will not see it.
Posted by: cheshirecatz on Aug 24, 2007 11:25 AM   
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Good article. Unfortunately, the only place we will see its ilk is on the internet because the mainstream press is of course burying the truth. I was out of work for two weeks and I am frightened that my house will be joining the foreclosure party going on my town. Rows and rows of houses for sale and none selling. And these are homes almost all at $200K in the heyday of the boom. I can only imagine what the "upper class" neighborhoods look like. Blaming people for buying "more house than they could afford" is useless. In the Bush economy, robbing the poor to feed the rich has always been the order of business. Gas prices, food prices, declining wages, outsourcing of jobs, education costs, medical costs, etc etc are the biggest reasons people will default. Washington hopes we will be busy blaming the working poor for trying to get ahead and not realize who the true vampires are-THEM! You will start to see more and more press propaganda devoted to how "greedy" Americans are ruining the economy instead of living within their means (read: staying poor) when it is the greedy government who are robbing them blind.

http://cheshirecatz.blogharbor.com/blog/_archives
/2007/7/19/3105084.html

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The problem is the extra greed of the subprime lenders...
Posted by: kmart35 on Aug 24, 2007 7:19 PM   
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What gets me is that the subprime lenders are hurting themselves in their stupid greed! We were paying $924 a month for 2 years (they lock you in for 2 years when you sign) for a $100,000 house. Then after our 2 years was over and we were released, they upped our interest to 13% and wanted us to pay over $1100 a month for a $100,000 house which is kind of crazy esp. since my dh has a 775 credit rating (considered excellent). We refinanced (now that we could) and got our mortgage down to $800 a month and for only 25 years instead of the 30 year mortgage we had with the prior subprime lender at 13%.

I don't understand why they don't just keep their interest rates at 9 or 10% (still double the current rates) and certainly compensating them for any added risk, instead of upping them to 13% (which I believe causes a lot of the risk by raising the interest rate to such an impossible amount). That is what is making it impossible for people to pay and causing the default rates. Either people refinance with other companies if they have a decent credit rating or they have to default their houses, so it is just stupid!!!! Of course from what I understand a lot of people with the subprime mortgages do not have excellent or good credit ratings so I think basically still are in effect locked in with the subprime mortgages, and have to struggle to pay them, which I could see would be very difficult. If you had a 150,000 house, our payment would have been too high for us to pay for example, and my dh has a good job.

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The Fed cowtows to Banks again
Posted by: lamar on Aug 25, 2007 6:03 PM   
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saml, racerx, redbird30328:

Where is your free market austerity for the banks? Where's the responsibility there?

Here's your responsibility: The Fed eases banking rules. Just as I predicted. Not only did Wall Street get a huge bailout, the banks are getting favors from Washington. This whole mess reeks to high hell. How is the free market ever going to work if banks that make bad decisions get special favors? They have no incentive to be responsible. Without worry, they can inject billions of cash into the housing market, drive up housing costs, then get bailed out and rules waived when the chickens come home to roost.

That's not free market capitalism. That's corporate favoratism. People took loans they couldn't afford, and banks made loans they couldn't collect on. Only one side is getting bailed out....

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socialisme isnot only bad
Posted by: richholland on Aug 27, 2007 10:39 AM   
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till 1990 in some/ many west europecountries a bank has a responsibility, no judge would allow a bank to sell your house if they (the professionals) gave you to much credit.
Our governments protected the workers.
Many times the minicupility could guarantee a part of the debt.
the judge would look at your income and decide the bank must write off the excess. I believe many honest and hardworking americans feel they must support and protect the rich capitalists, why???

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There is some help....
Posted by: peachmcd on Aug 27, 2007 12:06 PM   
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ACORN, the oldest grassroots group in the US, won a settlement from several major lenders (BoA, USBank,,,) that created a fund for folks who are in danger of losing their home to foreclosure. If you, or someone you know, is being threatened with foreclosure, contact ACORN right away. There are offices in over 100 US cities, or you can find out about this program via their website at the link above.

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Subprime gave people a shot
Posted by: Joe on Aug 28, 2007 7:57 PM   
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Subprime loans gave people with poor credit a shot at getting a loan. But lets not put any blame on them lets blame the "rich". When the "rich" refuse to loan out money in the future who are you going to blame then. I tell you what, if I loan out $20 to someone who won't pay me back then why should i loan to them again. This has nothing to do with rich against poor, it's simple trustworthiness and untrustworthiness.

I swear some of the people on these liberal blog must live in an Utopian bubble.

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» RE: Subprime gave people a shot Posted by: mike_burns
ULYSEES
Posted by: ULYSEES on Sep 18, 2007 6:40 AM   
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It is typical of Warfare/Workfare Capitalism that it blames its own endgame on the poor. Who else would the FATMAN blame for the implosion of all his dirty little lies? After all, didn't the FATMAN deliver shelter to those he/she called 'losers' 'scroungers' and 'no hopers'. The FATMAN
whilst not acknowledging his/her own dysfunctionality in this tragically despoiled divine creation, used the LIE of 'success'
(theft, plunder, selfishness, indifference, brutality) to displace God in our minds!
The FATMAN is dead and his LIES no longer appeal to those who believed. We now face a NEW CREATION with grateful
thanks to its original Creator!

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