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The Pentagon Sends Messengers of Apocalypse to Convert Soldiers in Iraq

By Max Blumenthal, TheNation.com. Posted August 8, 2007.


With the Pentagon's blessings and assistance, apocalyptic evangelists are proselytizing US troops in Iraq.
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Actor Stephen Baldwin, the youngest member of the famous Baldwin brothers, is no longer playing Pauly Shore's sidekick in comedy masterpieces like Biodome. He has a much more serious calling these days.

Baldwin became a right-wing, born-again Christian after the 9/11 attacks, and now is the star of Operation Straight Up (OSU), an evangelical entertainment troupe that actively proselytizes among active-duty members of the US military. As an official arm of the Defense Department's America Supports You program, OSU plans to mail copies of the controversial apocalyptic video game, Left Behind: Eternal Forces to soldiers serving in Iraq. OSU is also scheduled to embark on a "Military Crusade in Iraq" in the near future.

"We feel the forces of heaven have encouraged us to perform multiple crusades that will sweep through this war torn region," OSU declares on its website about its planned trip to Iraq. "We'll hold the only religious crusade of its size in the dangerous land of Iraq."

The Defense Department's Chaplain's Office, which oversees OSU's activities, has not responded to calls seeking comment.

"The constitution has been assaulted and brutalized," Mikey Weinstein, former Reagan Administration White House counsel, ex-Air Force judge advocate (JAG), and founder of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, told me. "Thanks to the influence of extreme Christian fundamentalism, the wall separating church and state is nothing but smoke and debris. And OSU is the IED that exploded the wall separating church and state in the Pentagon and throughout our military." Weinstein continued: "The fact that they would even consider taking their crusade to a Muslim country shows the threat to our national security and to the constitution and everyone that loves it."

On the surface, OSU appears as a traditional entertainment troupe that brings cheer to American troops around the globe. Founded by champion kickboxer Jonathan Spinks, OSU performs comedy, acrobatic stunts and strongman displays. Its roster of entertainers includes a former WNBA star, the Flying Wallendas, a ventriloquist, and former boxing champ Evander Holyfield. "We make no bones about the fact that we are speaking directly to the soldiers of the greatest fighting force of in the world," OSU proclaims. "No 'mamsie pamsie' stuff here!"

But behind OSU's anodyne promises of wholesome fun for military families, the organization promotes an apocalyptic brand of evangelical Christianity to active duty US soldiers serving in Muslim-dominated regions of the Middle East. Displayed prominently on the "What We Believe" section of OSU's website is a passage from the Book of Revelations (Revelation 19:20; 20:10-15) that has become the bedrock of the Christian right's End Times theology: "The devil and his angels, the beast and the false prophet, and whosoever is not found written in the Book of Life, shall be consigned to everlasting punishment in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."

With the endorsement of the Defense Department, OSU is mailing "Freedom Packages" to soldiers serving in Iraq. These are not your grandfather's care packages, however. Besides pairs of white socks and boxes of baby wipes (included at the apparent suggestion of Iran-Contra felon Oliver North, according to OSU) OSU's care packages contain the controversial Left Behind: Eternal Forces video game. The game is inspired by Tim LaHaye and Jerry Jenkins' bestselling pulp fiction series about a blood-soaked Battle of Armageddon pitting born-again Christians against anybody who does not adhere to their particular theology. In LaHaye's and Jenkins' books, the non-believers are ultimately condemned to "everlasting punishment" while the evangelicals are "raptured" up to heaven.

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href=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/16/AR2006081601764.html?referrer=emailarticle>Left Behind videogame is a real-time strategy game that makes players commanders of a virtual evangelical army in a post-apocalyptic landscape that looks strikingly like New York City after 9/11. With tanks, helicopters and a fearsome arsenal of automatic weapons at their disposal, Left Behind players wage a violent war against United Nations-like peacekeepers who, according to LaHaye's interpretation of Revelation, represent the armies of the Antichrist. Each time a


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Rethinking the System
Posted by: jeffrey7 on Aug 8, 2007 9:22 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Well here we are. Still fighting the Global War on Terror and still being bombed by our media in the Global Psychological War of Terror. Have you had enough yet? I damn sure have. I know several million of you are too. Those of us old enough to remember 'living it', rightly compare the current action with Vietnam.Both were illegal,both against former 'Friends'. both resulted in a big uptick in the World opiate trade, both are making big bucks for the Govt/Industrial/Defense Complex. The very people that think of ALL OF US AS EXPENDABLE!!!
It's high time for a change. One we can actually do. One that can truly effect future generations in the best possible way. For sure the first thing is to abolish all military actions NOW. Then dismantle the offensive capacity of the military.Write pacts of Non-Aggression with appendixes that include total disarmament. As we beging the disarmament of the G-8, the rest of the nations will want to join the soildarity of nations that Trade fairly,operate openly in the Spirit of co-operation and not confrontation.
We made our enemies,we can unmake them. We've been playing a game of 'favorites'. It did'nt work in the schoolyard,it sure as hell does'nt make it as foriegn policy. It's time to 'Think Outside the System'.
The current model of the system works like this,both foriegn and domestic..." I will control you, You may Love me,But I Will Control You! You may Hate me,but, I Will Control You! You may support me,but I Will Control You! You may Fear me, but I Will Control You! If you don't Love me or Hate me or Suppot me or Fear me, I WILL STILL CONTROL YOU!!!" Jesus Christ, how can you call this a 'democracy'? I think I can say for more than a few people that this isn't the 'packaged and approved for human indoctrination' vision of America we're supposed to be all flag waiving about. I'm offended by the way this system treats it's neighbor Nations and our own People.
We really do have to power to make things different, better, to truly 'advance' our society and our Civilization as a whole. We can end the War. Tyranny survives when brave People of Vision give in to complacancy and call it Freedom.

All we need to do is THINK OUTSIDE the SYSTEM

Draft Jeffrey7 for Prez. it's the only vote that counts

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» The latter part of your post Posted by: hurricane hugo
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Sounds like a good idea
Posted by: mangell on Aug 8, 2007 9:24 AM   
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Why not have our soldiers pumped up like crusaders? Maybe if they carry the word of the Lord and Righteousness into battle, they won't need that expensive stuff like body armor and better gear.

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» RE: Sounds like a good idea Posted by: rhinojos
Of course,
Posted by: hurricane hugo on Aug 8, 2007 10:09 AM   
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actually enlisting never seems to occur to these OSU losers.

plur

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» RE: Of course, Posted by: clvngodess
Worry about Bush, not Baldwin.
Posted by: HughScott on Aug 8, 2007 10:31 AM   
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Baldwin's Bible-pounding rhetoric is peanuts compared to the inflammatory, anti-Islamic pronouncements of George W.

The importance of religion in Shrub's role as commander-in-chief was raised by Bob Woodward in his 2004 bestseller, Plan of Attack.

Woodward said Dub-ya claimed he was on a mission from God to spread democracy throughout the Muslim world. The first time I read about his religious quest, it raised three questions in my mind:

1. Where does the Constitution say a president has the right or responsibility to spread democracy?
2. What kind of democracy was Bush talking about?
3. How does he know Muslims want a democratic form of government?

To blow Bush’s “I love the Lord” façade to smithereens, one need only ask a simple question. Who would Jesus torture?

The answer, of course, is no one. That leaves two conclusions. Either Shrub is a charlatan or he’s a born-again hypocrite. I fear the latter.

Assume for a moment Shrub’s an evangelical who believes every word in the Old Testament but considers the new version a book of suggestions. If so, like Stephen Baldwin, the president thinks we’re in the Last Days, Armageddon will come during his lifetime along with the Rapture, and he will shoot up to Heaven like a Roman candle.

That would explain Bush's dismissive approach to global warming. After all, if these actually are the End Times, then concern about Earth becoming too hot in 50 years is meaningless.

Even worse, if Bush does believe Armageddon is coming, he may be trying on a subconscious level to urge it on. What better way to inflame ancient enemies—Arabs, Persians, Palestinians and Jews—than by promoting a Middle East war of choice?

Evidence of Dub-ya’s messianic thinking was provided by a BBC transcript published on October 6, 2005. The text quoted two Palestinian leaders, Prime Minister Abu Mazen and his deputy, Nabil Shaath, after they met privately with George W. in June 2003.

According to the British report, Bush said to Mazen and Shaath, “I’m driven with a mission from God. He told me, ‘George, go and fight those terrorists in Afghanistan’ and I did. Then God told me, ‘George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq’ and I did. Now, again, I feel God’s words coming to me: Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East, and, by God, I’m gonna do it.”

Assuming he wasn’t fibbing and God isn’t an idiot, there can only be two explanations for Shrub hearing words in his head. He’s either schizophrenic or the voice belonged to Dick Cheney.

One thing's for sure. Besides being the most incompetent commander-in-chief in U.S. history, Born-again Bush is the most dangerous.

Hugh E. Scott, Vietnam vet and editor of the nonprofit investigative website, King-George.biz, which features the only hardcopy proof of White House corruption ever found on the Internet.

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» RE: Worry about Bush, not Baldwin. Posted by: edgar_michel
ohh fuck, here we go again
Posted by: eosrk on Aug 8, 2007 11:09 AM   
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the acroblockhead theory

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OSU Freedom Package contents check
Posted by: eddie torres on Aug 8, 2007 11:17 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
OSU Freedom Package contents check. In them you will find: four pairs of white socks, two boxes of Baby Wipes, one copy "Left Behind: Eternal Forces" video game, one copy Jonathan McDowell's "More Than A Carpenter" double-printed in Arabic, one miniature Gideon's New Testament, one greeting card, one 75-minute AT&T phone card, one Extreme Sports “Livin It” Witnessing DVD...

Shoot, a fellah could have a pretty good weekend in Orlando with all that stuff...

"Survival Kit contents check. In them you will find: one 45 caliber automatic, two boxes of ammunition, four days concentrated emergency rations, one drug issue containing antibiotics, morphine, vitamin pills, pep pills, sleeping pills, tranquilizer pills, one miniature combination Rooshan phrase book and Bible, one hundred dollars in rubles, one hundred dollars in gold, nine packs of chewing gum, one issue of prophylactics, three lipsticks, three pair of nylon stockings... shoot, a fellah could have a pretty good weekend in Vegas with all that stuff...."

(Colonel Kong, Slim Pickens' B-52 commander character in "Dr Strangelove")

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» RE: OSU Freedom Package contents check Posted by: animalleaderisgreat
» I thought it was MAJOR Kong? Posted by: MadFlacc
Roman Christians Carrying On As Before
Posted by: edgar_michel on Aug 8, 2007 3:35 PM   
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I read Bush's comments to Abu Mazen, otherwise known as Palestinian Prime minister Mahmoud Abbas, back in 2005. I thought then that George W. Bush was delusional. Such statements don't infer that W. is repeating Cheney precepts, but rather that he has had an emotional breakdown from pressures beyond his comprehension which leads to a megalomaniac break. In other words he is desperately praying for a miracle to exercise him from what he perceives an insolvable dilemma. I also think that fundamental evangelism is the root cause of all the problems we face in America today. And I think the problem is this. No one thinks to criticize Billy Graham, of Jerry Falwell or Robert Schuler, or Pat Robertson. The philosophy of these people seems to be off the table as far as criticism. I think Christianity has to either stand or fall based on its merits. The Christianity we have today certainly isn't the Christianity of 2000 years ago. Arianism is gone, Manichaeism is Gone, The Gnostics are gone. The Christianity we have today is the Christianity, modified though it may be, of Constantine. And it is interesting that Christianity became the sword of the failing Roman Empire.

Here is a little excerpt from The History of Christianity the during the rule of Nero:

“Great fire of Rome, started by Nero and blamed on Christians, {Therefore to squelch the rumor , Nero created scapegoats and subjected to the most refined tortures those whom the common people called "Christians," [a group] hated for their abominable crimes. Their name comes from Christ, who, during the reign of Tiberius, had been executed by the procurator Pontius Pilate. Suppressed for the moment, the deadly superstition broke out again, not only in Judea, the land which originated this evil, but also in the city of Rome, where all sorts of horrendous and shameful practices from every part of the world converge and are fervently cultivated.} [Tacitus Annals 15.44;Marginal Jew;Meier;p.89-90]”

And its also interesting that the Christians are now doing to the Muslims, exactly what the Romans of Nero’s day did to the Christians; funny how history repeats itself. Everything remains the same, only the names are changed.

Also note that the origins of Christian holidays come from the celebration of Mithras who was supposed to be the son of god come to earth to judge the living and the dead. Mithraicism takes its core doctrine from Zoroastrianism. Zoroaster has been depicted several time in history depicted to look very much like the depictions of Jesus Christ, and the mythology is so similar that you would be hard pressed to see the difference if you could some how be transported from one time to another. Also Buddhism factored strongly into the religious practices of not only Zoroaster, but probably also Jesus Christ, because of the transport of eastern religions through Iran to Judea at the time. Mani was influenced by Buddhism in 300 AD as was so much of the Middle East. Just to give you an idea of how Christianity may have evolved, here is an excerpt from The History of Christmas:

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» Root cause? Posted by: Chickensh*tEagle
» RE: oot cause? Posted by: edgar_michel
fun d' mental
Posted by: particle61 on Aug 8, 2007 3:52 PM   
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redstateupdate.net covers crazy christians and messianic militarists with humor and prescience-see these stories and many more in the fun d' mental archive-
http://www.redstateupdate.net/fun-d-mental/fundmental.html

Militant Ministers Concoct Combat Christ to Tempt Teenagers
see-edition 54
Neighbors Wary of American Theocracy
see edition-105
Lawmakers Certify Single Military Messiah
see edition-71

frequently focusing on fulminating fun d' mental(ists), and a new gwbush comic every week- see the verbatim archive, at -
www.redstateupdate.net/verbatim/verbatim.html

www.redstateupdate.net
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and 'it's all true'

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They'll be disappointed...
Posted by: opeluboy on Aug 8, 2007 5:11 PM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
...when Jesus doesn't show up on his white horse, trampling the fallen and even those born-again Christianist soldiers keep getting blown up despite being the Hand of God.

But let's at least excuse Holyfield for his participation in this heretical and pathetic organization. The guy's spent a lifetime getting hit in the head.

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A better game
Posted by: YogiBear on Aug 8, 2007 6:01 PM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
We should be mailing them games of chess, in which one discovers that even the smallest move of a pawn can come back to haunt you.

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» RE: A better game Posted by: opeluboy
» Great idea! Posted by: stoicnag
ah but the constitution
Posted by: marid on Aug 8, 2007 6:29 PM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
only authorizes war to protect and defend against attacks against the country proper. This would mean Saudi Arabia which had the largest contingent of the 9/11 bombers, is who we should have attacked. Only one just war in the last century or so according to this, WWII. Japan attacked Pearl.

The Merchants of Death who run our country, whom we were warned about by Eisenhower, have really controlled most of the rest of the conflicts, either directly or indirectly.

These religious zealots, for lack of a better term, are delusional and demented. They believe in the supernatural and are lead around by the nose by the religious hierarchy which uses religion as a tool to keep the masses in line.

They are very good at it.

“Not all the treasures of the world, so far as I believe, could have induced me to support an offensive war, for I think it murder.” —Thomas Paine

Damn those old goats really did know their stuff. But the Death Makers ignore any type of intelligent thought.

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An apocalypse all right!
Posted by: TT5 on Aug 9, 2007 1:08 AM   
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since when has the US Department of Defense had a Chaplain's Office?
Posted by: Suzon on Aug 9, 2007 3:45 AM   
Current rating: 2    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Is this for real? I'd be very interested to know the origins of this office if anyone can enlighten me.

I have lived in the UK for 20 years in a belief system which is thoroughly entrenched. The propaganda begins with school children saying daily prayers for the Queen. Once you have comitted to a belief system, it's hard to get a rational persepctive because no one likes to admit that they've been duped.

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» daily prayers for the Queen.? Posted by: zipper696
» Daily Prayers -- Posted by: BenCaxton12
How low can the administration get......
Posted by: kgs1947 on Aug 9, 2007 4:14 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
a new low. Pathetic and boarding on pathological. The military, Bush, Cheney et al are scrapping the bottom of the sewer to find ways to divest all human decency from our soldiers. They have brought the slogan "Support Our Troops" to a scary level of defiinition. Support them to be changed into lemmings on behalf of an administration melt down...and this new tactic once again goes for fear and shame. Get our troops scared enough and shame them into mindless obedience!

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im1013
Posted by: im1013 on Aug 9, 2007 4:57 AM   
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This has got to be one of the scariest things I've ever heard. I would say THE scariest, but given all of the crap that's happened over the past six years, I could be wrong.

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ZETIGEIST MOVIE
Posted by: caru on Aug 9, 2007 5:09 AM   
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ZEITGEIST MOVIE

this movie shows that christianity is a fraud, religion is about murder and money, and the whole shooting match is controlled by the nasty nasty illuminati. (see: Chinese Secret Society Challenges Illuminati - A Conversation Between Jeff Rense & Benjamin Fulford 11th July 2007)

money = death
war = death
money = war

WE GOT TO GET OURSELVES BACK TO THE GARDEN!!!!!!

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» RE: ZETIGEIST MOVIE Posted by: Basenjis
Zeitgeist and other movies
Posted by: reval on Aug 9, 2007 5:52 AM   
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Zeitgeist can be viewed HERE along with several other excellent videos from around the globe that address the abject stupdity of all religion. Jesus Camp (the full-length move and War on Science have recently been added.

Check it out. Tell a friend.

Rev. El

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RON PAUL HAS THE LARGEST NUMBER OF ACTIVE MILITARY..
Posted by: poppop_schell on Aug 9, 2007 7:05 AM   
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sending money to his campaign. Many of these donations are coi from te military in Iraq. Apparanetly, our fighting forces like Ron Paul and don't think he is weak on defense.

ronpaul2008.com

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IS THIS MORE SUPPORTING THE TROOPS ?
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Aug 9, 2007 7:48 AM   
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The military in Iraq and Afganistan have become some sick form of entertainment and a way for our leaders to pass the time. They have no idea what to do. These people are happy with their own religion. Right now they could all use a drink of water. They're tired of seeing people die. Their country is a pile of rubble and Our leaders continue to come up with more lousy ideas. like sending pamphlets to our soldiers when they need better equipment. Brilliant! Thanks, ANNA

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They never enlist but they'd like you to feel free to die for Jesus
Posted by: scheherezade on Aug 9, 2007 7:58 AM   
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Hurricane hugo hit it on the head. These Bible loafers aren't going anywhere near a battlefield, but they'd cordially like to invite you to die for your country/God.

And let us be very clear, by 'you,' they mean America's young, male population.

We evidently don't have enough young men in jail...it looks like we've got to find another way to prune the population where ugly old farts and socially inept clergy can get a blow job now and again. The God Squad, of course, has historically been the ideal instrument to make that happen.

Middle aged losers and nasty old farts make sure it's impossible to make a living at home, send young guys off to die...then wallow in the resources soldiers have "left behind" or "liberated."

Church "leaders," who produce nothing and are therefore wholly dependent upon the kindness of strangers (especially powerful, rich ones) for their supper, have nothing to lose and everything to gain from this equation.

It's the oldest story in the book (see Bible: Solomon, Bathsheba?)

If America finds the wherewithal to avoid wasting our young male population for the sake of George Bush's dick, not to mention young male Iraqi lives, it will be a 'miracle.'

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» young male population Posted by: MadFlacc
Free to Choose
Posted by: Jbuuty on Aug 9, 2007 8:05 AM   
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First let me state my bias upfront. I am a Christian, a theologically conservative one - though not politically conservative, and a pacifist - because Jesus was.

I have no problem with religious groups speaking out about their faith and wishing to 'evangelize' others. I don't like aggressive means of doing so, because they violate the spirit of most religions, if not, unfortunately the histories of them.

This newest right-wing 'crusade' is sickening. It may have some commonalities with different periods of Christian history, but it violates the real spirit of Jesus. How can they have anything to do with Jesus - who was executed on a cross by an occupation force convinced of their peace-keeping intentions - and have 'crusades' in a Muslim nation? How can they expect an occupying force be able to communicate who Jesus really is through Arabic translations of books?

It's absurd religiously, politically and morally. When Bush speaks of the axis of evil, I think these right-wingers should look in a mirror.

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» RE: Free to Choose Posted by: MadFlacc
» RE: Free to Choose Posted by: Jbuuty
» point taken Posted by: MadFlacc
Just what they need
Posted by: willymack on Aug 9, 2007 8:15 AM   
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As if a shortage of necessary equipment designed to protect them from serious injury or worse, deranged "leadership" from Washington, and a daily dose of the certain knowlege that retribution from an outraged people who don't want us in their country, could be at hand at any moment weren't enough, psycopaths in the form of missionaries are spreading their poison in the hope of giving the end times predicted in a book written thousands of years ago by unwashed ignoramuses a little boost.If you're wondering what insanity is, just take a look at this scenario.

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IF...
Posted by: Gisele on Aug 9, 2007 8:55 AM   
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evangelical fundamentalists were truly preaching the TRUTH to military in Iraq (and elsewhere), the care package would cause all soldiers to lay down their weapons and search for peace...hell, they may even begin to physically help rebuild a country broken by lies and greed.

Christians are given a new commandment in John 15:12: "Love one another as I have loved you." If you love someone, how do you kill them? If you kill them, or condone killing them...how is it you call yourself a Christian?

The american military may better be served by having their pentagon, white house and other war establishments - including people like Lahaye, Hagee, Robertson and ilk, go back to Bible school and start again at the beginning. But if they did that they'd run the risk of losing their will to lie and manipulate...and that just wouldn't do. Would it?

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Relax after a hard day out on Patrol
Posted by: james2021 on Aug 9, 2007 8:58 AM   
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Pop open a beer, kick off your boots sit in your tent with the Left Behind game and continue kill the heathen Iraquis.

Nothing like a video game to desenitize your sensabilities on killing anything that moves. Deamonize the Arabs, desentize your troops. After all they are only Iraqui's. How best to create a group of killers without remorse.

Just wait till the come home, and decide that if you don't agree with them, then you to can be LEFT BEHIND.

This is a disgusting example of how Bu$h & Co. wish to push this war into a justified war by invoking the End Times Fantasy. The rapture and such is not mentioned in the bible, but because they wish to believe it, it becomes dogma.

As for the rapture or rapture like event, it has already occurred. Only it was limited to the residents of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, in early August 1945. The residents at ground zero vanished from the earth, victims of the fireball at the epicenter. Only thing left benind in some cases was a shadow of the person raptured. So The rapture of sorts has already occurred.

Once Religion gets involved, that makes everything ok. After all Moses set Joshua to destroy the Canaanites, because he wanted their land. To accomplish this GENOCIDE, Moses enlisted the name of God to accoplish the feat.

The Evangelicals are now doing the same thing in Iraq. We want their oil, so we may have to wipe out all the Arabs to get it. And like Moses, Dumbya is using God as way to rid the world of pesky infidels to allow Exxon/Mobile etc. to gain access to the Iraqi (Maybe Iranian as well) oil fields.

Using Religion to justify greed is nothing new to history.

Corporate Greed, Religious and political leaders with dreams of the American Empire are destroying this country.

And we foolishly allow this to happen.

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"Christianity: Safer than a lobotomy, but just as effective." - Anonymous
Posted by: lrrysgl on Aug 9, 2007 9:45 AM   
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"Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived." - Isaac Asimov, Russian-born American author

"Religion is excellent stuff for keeping common people quiet." - Napoleon Bonaparte

"Help preserve your child's belief in Santa Claus. Tell him or her that Santa will send them to hell if they don't believe in him." - Anonymous

"Like all religions, the Holy Religion of the Invisible Pink Unicorn is based upon both Logic and Faith. We have Faith that She is Pink; we Logically know that She is Invisible, because we can't see Her." - Anonymous, parody created by atheists

"Believing is easier than thinking. Hence so many more believers than thinkers." - Bruce Calvert

"I would defend the liberty of consenting adult creationists to practice whatever intellectual perversions they like in the privacy of their own homes; but it is also necessary to protect the young and innocent." - Arthur C. Clarke

"Gods are fragile things; they may be killed by a whiff of science or a dose of common sense." - Chapman Cohen

AND NOW A WORD FROM THE FOUNDERS:

James Madison: Although prayer groups proliferate in today’s Congress, James Madison, “father of the Constitution,” denounced EVEN THE PRESENCE OF CHAPLAINS in Congress – AND in the armed forces – as UNCONSTITUTIONAL. He OPPOSED all use of “religion as an engine of civil policy,” and accurately prophesized the threat of “ecclesiastical corporations.”

Benjamin Franklin? "The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason."

Benjamin Franklin: Raised a Calvinist, Franklin rebelled – and spread the rebellion, affecting Adams and Jefferson. His friend, Dr. Priestley, wrote in his own Autobiography: “It is much to be lamented that a man of Franklin’s general good character and great influence should have been an unbeliever in Christianity, and also have done as much as he did to make others unbelievers.” A scientist, Franklin REJECTED churches, rituals, and ALL rituals, and ALL “supernatural superstitions.”
“Scarcely was I arrived at fifteen years of age, when, after having doubted in turn of different tenets, according as I found them combated in the different books that I read, I began to doubt of Revelation itself” (Franklin’s Autobiography, 1731-1759).
“Some books against Deism fell into my hands…they wrought an effect on my quite contrary to what was intended by them; for the argument of the Deists, which were quoted to be refuted, appeared to me much stronger than the refutations; in short, I soon became a thorough Deist” (ibid.).
George Washington: The FALSE image of Washington as a devout Christian was fabricated by Mason Lock Weems, a clergyman who also invented the cherry-tree fable and in 1800 published his Life of George Washington. Washington, a Deist and a Freemason, NEVER ONCE mentioned the name of Jesus Christ in any of his thousands of letters, and pointedly referred to divinity as “It.” Whenever he (RARELY) attended Church, Washington deliberately left before communion, demonstrating disbelief in Christianity’s central theme.

Thomas Paine: Paine’s writings heavily influenced the other Founders. A freethinker who opposed ALL organized religion, he particularly REVILED Christianity. “My country is the world and my religion is to do good (The Rights of Man, 1791).
“I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman Church by the Greek church, by the Protestant church, NOR BY ANY CHURCH, that I know of. My own mind is my church” (The Age of Reason, 1793)
“Of all the systems of religion that ever were invented, there is no more derogatory to the Almighty, more unedifying to man, more repugnant to reason, and more contradictory to itself than this thing called Christianity” (ibid.)

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The 14 Characteristics of Fascism
Posted by: lrrysgl on Aug 9, 2007 10:13 AM   
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The 14 Characteristics of Fascism


Dr. Lawrence Britt, a political scientist, studied the fascist regimes of Hitler
(Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia), and Pinochet (Chile). He found the regimes all had 14 things in common, and he calls these the identifying characteristics of fascism.

The article is "Fascism Anyone?," Lawrence Britt, Free Inquiry,
Spring 2003, page 20.

The 14 characteristics:

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of
prisoners, etc.

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

5. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.

6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.

9. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business
aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the
government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial
business/government relationship and power elite.

10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed .

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and
academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption

14. Fraudulent Elections

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Got Fascism?
Posted by: DavidGeorge on Aug 9, 2007 10:24 AM   
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Got Fascism?

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HOW'D WE THINK
Posted by: Roverton on Aug 9, 2007 10:24 AM   
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... the Devil was going to pull it off?

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Maybe they can plead insanity?
Posted by: Ellen Remore on Aug 9, 2007 11:42 AM   
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If there is anything positive in such an abysmally stupid, blatantly unconstitutional harassment of already-way-too-harassed grunts, it might be that someday, somewhere, some spectacularly charitable Iraqi may look at the Marauding Barbarians laying his country to waste, cast his eyes heavenward and mutter, "Father, forgive them; they know not what they do. They have been Bush-caliber-Idiocized."

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(With a nod to "Talledega Nights"...)
Posted by: Suz on Aug 9, 2007 2:21 PM   
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I like to picture Jesus in full body armor, riding across the desert in a Bradley fighting vehicle, smoking a cigarette and looking to kick ASS!

Nickname: "The Prince of Pieces."

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Nothing new here
Posted by: Denver Dem on Aug 9, 2007 3:41 PM   
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People have been using the name of Jesus to wage war for centuries, sickening.

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» RE: Nothing new here Posted by: snorkeeeee
both atheists
Posted by: MT512 on Aug 9, 2007 10:18 PM   
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"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."
(historian Stephen Henry Roberts)

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Is it any wonder?
Posted by: janten on Aug 10, 2007 8:00 AM   
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The End Times message the OSU is spreading is, on one level, very clear, straight forward and simple. It's a presentation that claims to provide all the answers to all questions. Make that all the right answers (the only real answers) . . . because they come from God.

In this confused and confusing world, and especially in the messy turmoil of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, this message that claims to provide all the answers is likely to be very appealing to a lot of young minds wondering why they are there, why we are there, why "they" hate us and should we hate "them."

Also, any serious wondering at all may lead to thinking - thinking for one's self and coming up with one's own answers . . . thinking independently. Thinking about the stupidity of it all, about all the waste and destruction, about the lies that got them there and that are keeping them there, about the fact that "they" are human beings too.

Is it any wonder that OSU wants to go there to deliver their message to this large, captive audience of young, confused, scared and angry minds? Is it any wonder that the Pentagon should be happy to assist in providing answers to their questions so they don't need to be thinking on their own?

Give 'em God and give 'em more ammunition!

But hold the flack jackets and the vehicles that deflect IEDs.

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» RE: Is it any wonder? Posted by: snorkeeeee
Postmodern Times
Posted by: quetzal on Aug 10, 2007 8:43 AM   
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I am the author of "2012: The Return of Quetzalcoatl" (Tarcher/Penguin, 2006). In that book, I look at the concept of the Apocalypse from a Jungian perspective, as an archetype that is currently constellating in the collective psyche. The word literally means "uncovering" or "revealing."

The best way to fight the mass media is to create more powerful new media. To that end, I have collaborated on a short animation that explains some of my ideas about this time of transformation. Just released on-line last week, the video can be seen at http://postmoderntimes.com . I have also launched a new web magazine, http://realitysandwich.com, that looks at our current world from a psychic and shamanic as well as a materialist one.

PostmodernTimes is Youtube's featured pick in the "film and animation" category today:
http://www.youtube.com/categories

It has also been selected to run on Current TV's cable channel, and can be seen on the CurrentTV website as well.

Hope you like it!

Yours,
dp

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apocalyptic evangelists
Posted by: Intellect on Aug 10, 2007 2:41 PM   
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These apocalyptic evangelists seem to be the result of Reagan's stopping funding to our country's mental hospitals which let loose all kinds of wackos into society.

It is unconstitutional for our government to allow this and time to enforce respect and compliance with the Constitution!

Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity.
-Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782

History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes