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Spend, Spend, Spend: The New Model for Parenting
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While singularly ostentatious, a golden stroller is only a tiny piece of the $45 billion American children's luxury goods market, where parents routinely spend hundreds of dollars on kiddy goods that seem frivolous to the point of ridiculousness. A Coach leather diaper bag, $398. A sleekly designed baby bouncer, $200. A crib that looks more appropriate for a shoot in Architectural Digest than for use by an actual infant, $1,700.
What gives? After all, Wal-Mart and Target sell some perfectly acceptable cribs for around $100, and baby bouncers and diaper bags retailing in the low two figures are easy enough to find. Well, it's simple really. In a brand-obsessed society, parents are heading to the stores as a way of showing how much they love their children. But they forget that a society demonstrates the value of parents and their children not by how much equipment is available for them to purchase, but by how well they are taken care of when they need help. And by any standards, the United States is falling down on the job.
Marketers point out that Generation X, the age group that makes up the bulk of new moms and dads, have always spent their way into popularity. But as they simultaneously approach parenthood and middle age (the oldest Gen Xers turn 42 this year), instead of wearing Candies and Vidal Sassoon jeans to increase their social clout, they now purchase too-cool-for-school baby gear, hoping for the same result. "During the formative years of today's parents, family, religion and government programs were very weak. They had no support systems," demographer Ann Fishman points out. "And as a result, we have these young parents who want a strong family, love their kids, want to give them everything, but they don't know it doesn't mean stuff."
Instead of lobbying for a more family friendly environment, Gen X parents hit the stores, despite the fact that they carry 78 percent more debt than Baby Boomers did at the same age. But a cashmere sweater set for a newborn infant can't hide the fact that, in the United States, more than one in five children live in poverty. No $2,000 designer crib can make up for the fact we guarantee the elderly medical care, but not their children or grandchildren.
Handmade wooden toys don't make up for the modern workplaces, where the decision to procreate is considered on par with a decision to take up a time-consuming hobby, as numerous mothers, forced to "opt-out," can attest. And the latest prestige item -- a Mandarin-speaking nanny -- can't compensate for underfunded schools, with even well-heeled suburban districts routinely facing bruising battles over property tax rates and assessments used to pay for their youngest residents' education.
Of course, there has always been a side of parenting that's bordered on the ostentatious. French children's clothing stores have long lined the sidewalks of New York's Madison Avenue. Nineteenth century Parisians gossiped when Napoleon III obtained a rattle made of aluminum -- then a scarce and expensive resource -- for his son and heir. But the mass consumption of children's luxury goods is something new -- and something undesirable.
If parents are looking to buy themselves and their kids a status upgrade, jeopardizing their own -- and their children's -- financial futures with luxury shopping isn't the way to go.
After all, long after that baby bling is relegated to the attic, there will be college costs to think about. Then again, mom and dad can always tell junior to take a page from their own book. They can tell the rug rats to charge it.
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Posted by: mmales on Aug 8, 2007 1:46 AM
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Posted by: farhada on Aug 8, 2007 4:31 AM
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The mountain of toys, gadgets and "stuff" 4-15 year olds have these days really scares me.
I remember when I was kid, my parents used to give aways some of my toys that I didn't use to kids who needed them. That way, I learned to enjoy the good stuff, but at the same time, giving to others and share the joy of seeing them happy as well. Today, people through them out rather than giving them to charity or buy larger houses to be able to have more space for their "stuff".
What will happen to these kids when they get older? Are they going to request for more and not thinking about the consequences of their purchases? Go into debt in early age and suffer for the rest of their lives or let others pay for their mistakes?
We are shooting ourselves in the foot in more than one way!
/Farhad
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Posted by: Windwhistler on Aug 8, 2007 5:21 AM
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On the one hand you have the lower income people who are barely staying afloat. They are not your usual customers for $2000 baby beds. And then you have the above described portion of the population that have access to money (credit or not) and could use this money to genuinely help themselves and other Americans or even 3rd world people to improve their lot. But no, they are so brainwashed that they use their money in counterproductive ways for both themselves and others. Then at the very top you have the greedy bastards who pay few taxes and apparently are recycled slave holders who wouldn't give a drink of water to a dying thirsty man!
Did I miss anybody?
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Posted by: ABetterFuture on Aug 8, 2007 6:53 AM
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There are pay-as-you-go lines everywhere; just stand in one, give the porter your money, and you'll get to punch your parenting ticket.
It doesn't end there, though...
Your child's school failing to graduate kids who can read and add? Failing to graduate them at all? Failing period?
Spend more money; hire more administrators, more paper-clip counters, and more people to keep more chairs from rolling away by the creative placement of their well-trained posteriors. Yeah. Doesn't that feel good--to do sumfin fer' those kiddies?
Your war not going schwimmingly? Your "liberated" country now liberated to engage in civil war amongst competing flavors of the same blood-thirsty power cult at the expense of their innocent fellows?
Spend more money; surge a little more blood on the ground, and throw up a larger lightening rod and a bigger "American Targets Here, No Plane Rides Necessary" sign. That's just got to help teach grown people not to kill each other. Bonus: it's great fer the 'conomy, stewpit because the Chinese and Japanese are loaning us free money.
How about your favorite airline? Amtrak?
Nothing a few billion here or there couldn't fix. Again, it's not like we're talking about real money, after all.
Your computer running slow?
It couldn't be your choice of operating systems, smut, or program bloat. Buy more processors, more memory, more space, more power...just don't look up the word "ubuntu" or an even more paired down version of the best-free-as-in-beer-fast software in the world.
Some of my pet peeves with how my fellow citizens choose to live their lives, spend their money and support the spending of that magical, mythical, free stuff called gubbanit funds, not necessarily in any particular order of importance. Now, don't get me wrong--I'm staunchly pro-choice, and people are entitled to choose to spend on whatever they wish.
I just let my pro-choice nature be tempered by my anti-stewpit ideology on occasion.
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Posted by: mviscid on Aug 8, 2007 8:09 AM
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I've grown up thinking those of us who came of age and were into counter-cultures in the late 80s/early 90s would take that 'fuck the system' sensibilitity--and the cautionary tales from our Boomer parents selling out in the 80s--with them into adulthood. That those sensibilities would continue to define us. We were the 1st generation who were told, before college, that we wouldn't do as well financially as our parents and we were like, "fuck yeah, who wants to be a chump in the rat race where the MAN always wins?". Did the dot-com boom's sudden success just kill it in us? Was it really ever there? Guess I've never read up on our spending habits, or seen us from a consumer perspective.
What a bunch of posers.
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Posted by: Conservasaurus on Aug 8, 2007 8:18 AM
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The problem is, despite what many believe, many young people have a substantial cash flow and are two income families. They lack assets, or liquid assets, hence the debt!
And debt has been made so easy which has given rise to the market crunch because of high risk loans.
In the town I work in, which is a very high income town, mortgage defaults are skyrocketing!.. to many people over their head!
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Posted by: jeffrey7 on Aug 8, 2007 9:23 AM
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This comes straight form the govt's own figuring. Say you live in a place like Appleton Wisconsin,pop. 69.000+. What Uncle Pissy Pants calls 'Medium Level LOW INCOME for this area is 42,000/yr. Yes, $42,000/yr. That's with a family with 2 children, if it's just you and your mate, $ 36,000 per year.
So the TOP 1% of LOW INCOME with a family would be $125,000/yr or approximatly $85,000/yr. for a couple. Now remember this is LOW INCOME for a town 60,000+
If you live in NYC,LA, of any other BIG city it's $ 53,000, $44,000 and $ 145,000 respectivly, all LOW INCOME for those areas.
Now think about this.....80% of Americans are LOW INCOME. This is unthinkable in a country that used to pride itself on the opinion that a person who had a family of 5,working a 40 hour week,making $35,000/yr, could own a house,have a good car and a vacation spot, pay all the household bills and keep the kids in the latest of things without being 'showy'. I don't know anyone making $35,000/yr. with three kids that has that kind of ability today.
According to the feds, MID-LEVEL MIDDLE INCOME, 350,000/YR!!!!! That's barely good enough to get you an efficency appt. to 'own', as a fixer-upper, that costs $500,000 in the Big City. This is also unthinkable.
For 80% of us the cost of Living is almost unbearable. They don't factor in food and gas when they tell us 'prices have gone up only slightly'. They don't tell us the 100% utility increase was due to the fines the Power Company had to pay for over pollution fines. Try asking your boss for a 100% raise the next time you've got a ticket to pay.
80% of us are having the money sucked out of our wallets faster than a hoover in overdrive. 80% of us are still waiting for the light to even flicker in the tunnel or even see the 'end' we're supposed to meet. We're the people that need the most from any sort od governance,NOT the Coperations or Upper Middle Income and Upper Income People. They hoard the wealth of the Nation on the backs of the LOWER INCOME.
80% of us have the absolute power to change the way the system works!
80% of us can be the change we want to see in the world. There's one small hangup though. 80% of don't have the money. That's true. That's why there needs to be an Executive Order written that relieves all taxes on the Low Income. Think of what you could do with NO TAXES ON LOW INCOMES.
Then we stop the second drain on your monies,compound interest rates.
The banks steal your money for doing nothing. The house you own will cost three times as much in 'interest payments' as you paid for it. You are being robbed buy the banks! They should only be allowed to charge a 'Flat Rate Interest' no matter how long you had to pay it off.
80% of us can make these things happen. 80% of us can build a better society. 80% of us can bring Peace to the World.
Draft Jeffrey7 for Prez, It's the only vote that counts!!!
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Posted by: Bab5nutz on Aug 8, 2007 9:54 AM
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The two things I would invest in would be a decent buggy - not necessarily an expensive buggy. Just something that would be easy to use, get in and out of places, and could go the distance. You could be using the buggy for three/four years, so it's worth getting a decent one - not a solid gold one, though!
The other thing would be a cot. Again, not a solid-gold one. Something solid, and safe. Again, it's going to be something that you will use for a couple of years.
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» I never even wore diapers
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Posted by: Trazom on Aug 8, 2007 10:22 AM
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Want your child to play in the local soccer league? $100 or more. And, you have to volunteer for at least one or two off-the-field activities, such as painting the lines, operating the concession stand, etc. (kind of defeats the point of volunteering doesn't it?) And don't forget the snacks and water now too. Kids dehydrate themselves a lot faster than they used to, so make sure to pack a few gallons of water. Snacks are mandatory now (I don't ever remember having one when I was a kid playing).
Want a membership to the community pool? $250-$500/year. When I was a kid, it was free.
How about school. Remember the days when just a pencil and some paper sufficed? No longer. Now we need to buy everything from glue sticks to scientific calculators because "there is no money" for these things in the budget. My favorite - buying kleenex. Yes, kleenex for the schools.
What is my point in all of this? This article talks about a small minority of generation X who are parents. Let's talk about the things that affect the vast majority, and then figure out why we're getting into debt. It seems as a parent there is no choice anymore, unless of course you want to sit home all the time.
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» The point? Parents who spend more on their kids than I do are wrong?
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Posted by: nopuppy on Aug 8, 2007 12:05 PM
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First, spelling: It's "Architectural Digest," not "Archetectural Digest". It's "too cool for school baby gear" (actually, better would be "too-cool-for-school baby gear," to easily differentiate the modifier from the compound noun, though the whole construction is awkward), not "to cool for school." It's "...with even well-heeled suburban districts routinely facing bruising battles over property tax rates...", not "...with even well-heeled suburban districts routinely face bruising battles over property tax rates..."
Why worry about a few typos? Because they're not typos. They're evidence of sloppy, haphazard thinking. The sweeping generalizations are sloppy thinking's payoff. At best, this undermines the credibility of the piece; at worst, it inevitably leads to alienating the thoughtful reader. I happen to share some of the assumptions and prejudices of the writer; but I will question those assumptions and prejudices more vigorously now; perhaps righteous indignation leads to sloppy thought, eh?
The greatest of sins is self-righteousness, for it fuels all other sins.
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Posted by: DaBear on Aug 8, 2007 1:58 PM
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Ad hominem slumming aside, it's curious that Ms. Olen cites no actual statistics to support her claims... oh wait, I forgot, a rich lady says it's so so we're supposed to believe her. There is not one GenX parent I know (of or personally) that even thinks about gold plated strollers or whatever the frack Olen is slobbering about here. We're too overworked and underpaid, underhoused, underinsured, etc. to care. Buy stuff from Target?! Jesus, lady, whaddaya think we are, rich or something? We shop at thrift stores dammit! Those soccer boots for little janey? Hand me downs from some yuppette from school, carefully scrubbed and polished to look new-er. Back when we needed strollers, we used a sling, made from an old shirt. Go sit in your yuppified Manhattan penthouse and poo-poo your pals but don't mix us up in your psychosis, chickita!
Here's the deal, from now on, if your GenX, you can speak from your own experience, but if you're not born between 1963 and 1971 (the genuine GenX) shut the frack up and mind your business... this was the clearest case of projection I've ever seen.
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Posted by: ender on Aug 8, 2007 4:02 PM
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Paragraph five: "....more than one in five children live in poverty."
Hmmm. So, then about one in five Gen Xers is also living in poverty, yeah?
Why oh why would GenXers be living in poverty?
Paragraph four: "Gen X [ers]...carry 78 percent more debt than Baby Boomers did at the same age..."
Hmmm. Healthcare, staggering college debt, falling wages, home ownership costs that double every decade, a veritable plague of corporate malfeasance, corporate welfare and externalization of corporate costs onto the unwashed masses? Perhaps the extinction of the middle class?
Naah.
Paragraph four: "Gen X[ers]...have always spent their way into popularity." Yes, that's it. The generation of grunge, tolerance, second-hand shops wearing keeping-it-real anti-consumerist and able to smell bull**** at 100 yards 'slackers' have always spent their way into popularity.
(Last time I checked the TV, it was a Logan's Run-esque wasteland of over-privileged 20 somethings a la Paris and Lohan, and super sweet sixteens conspicuously consuming with nary a thirty year old to be seen anywhere.)
Since Reagan, the United States has become a pyramid scheme using the enticing dream of freedom in a middle class life and constant shiny distractions to keep the sheep asleep. The baby boomers have gorged themselves on all that the 'greatest generation' worked for and left nothing but the bill for the Gen Xers to pay.
I found this article to be below alternet's usual standards.
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Posted by: heecheeboy on Aug 9, 2007 12:31 AM
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A suggestion to Alternet: hire some editors, stop trying to fill the site with quantity (and subscription lists that endlessly repeat content), pointless top ten lists and comment rating systems. Pay pay more attention to quality articles and vetting out poor concepts and sloppy thinking. Less is more.
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Posted by: farhada on Aug 8, 2007 4:31 AM
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The mountain of toys, gadgets and "stuff" 4-15 year olds have these days really scares me.
I remember when I was kid, my parents used to give aways some of my toys that I didn't use to kids who needed them. That way, I learned to enjoy the good stuff, but at the same time, giving to others and share the joy of seeing them happy as well. Today, people through them out rather than giving them to charity or buy larger houses to be able to have more space for their "stuff".
What will happen to these kids when they get older? Are they going to request for more and not thinking about the consequences of their purchases? Go into debt in early age and suffer for the rest of their lives or let others pay for their mistakes?
We are shooting ourselves in the foot in more than one way!
/Farhad
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Posted by: Windwhistler on Aug 8, 2007 5:21 AM
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On the one hand you have the lower income people who are barely staying afloat. They are not your usual customers for $2000 baby beds. And then you have the above described portion of the population that have access to money (credit or not) and could use this money to genuinely help themselves and other Americans or even 3rd world people to improve their lot. But no, they are so brainwashed that they use their money in counterproductive ways for both themselves and others. Then at the very top you have the greedy bastards who pay few taxes and apparently are recycled slave holders who wouldn't give a drink of water to a dying thirsty man!
Did I miss anybody?
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There are pay-as-you-go lines everywhere; just stand in one, give the porter your money, and you'll get to punch your parenting ticket.
It doesn't end there, though...
Your child's school failing to graduate kids who can read and add? Failing to graduate them at all? Failing period?
Spend more money; hire more administrators, more paper-clip counters, and more people to keep more chairs from rolling away by the creative placement of their well-trained posteriors. Yeah. Doesn't that feel good--to do sumfin fer' those kiddies?
Your war not going schwimmingly? Your "liberated" country now liberated to engage in civil war amongst competing flavors of the same blood-thirsty power cult at the expense of their innocent fellows?
Spend more money; surge a little more blood on the ground, and throw up a larger lightening rod and a bigger "American Targets Here, No Plane Rides Necessary" sign. That's just got to help teach grown people not to kill each other. Bonus: it's great fer the 'conomy, stewpit because the Chinese and Japanese are loaning us free money.
How about your favorite airline? Amtrak?
Nothing a few billion here or there couldn't fix. Again, it's not like we're talking about real money, after all.
Your computer running slow?
It couldn't be your choice of operating systems, smut, or program bloat. Buy more processors, more memory, more space, more power...just don't look up the word "ubuntu" or an even more paired down version of the best-free-as-in-beer-fast software in the world.
Some of my pet peeves with how my fellow citizens choose to live their lives, spend their money and support the spending of that magical, mythical, free stuff called gubbanit funds, not necessarily in any particular order of importance. Now, don't get me wrong--I'm staunchly pro-choice, and people are entitled to choose to spend on whatever they wish.
I just let my pro-choice nature be tempered by my anti-stewpit ideology on occasion.
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Posted by: mviscid on Aug 8, 2007 8:09 AM
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I've grown up thinking those of us who came of age and were into counter-cultures in the late 80s/early 90s would take that 'fuck the system' sensibilitity--and the cautionary tales from our Boomer parents selling out in the 80s--with them into adulthood. That those sensibilities would continue to define us. We were the 1st generation who were told, before college, that we wouldn't do as well financially as our parents and we were like, "fuck yeah, who wants to be a chump in the rat race where the MAN always wins?". Did the dot-com boom's sudden success just kill it in us? Was it really ever there? Guess I've never read up on our spending habits, or seen us from a consumer perspective.
What a bunch of posers.
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Posted by: Conservasaurus on Aug 8, 2007 8:18 AM
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The problem is, despite what many believe, many young people have a substantial cash flow and are two income families. They lack assets, or liquid assets, hence the debt!
And debt has been made so easy which has given rise to the market crunch because of high risk loans.
In the town I work in, which is a very high income town, mortgage defaults are skyrocketing!.. to many people over their head!
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Posted by: jeffrey7 on Aug 8, 2007 9:23 AM
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This comes straight form the govt's own figuring. Say you live in a place like Appleton Wisconsin,pop. 69.000+. What Uncle Pissy Pants calls 'Medium Level LOW INCOME for this area is 42,000/yr. Yes, $42,000/yr. That's with a family with 2 children, if it's just you and your mate, $ 36,000 per year.
So the TOP 1% of LOW INCOME with a family would be $125,000/yr or approximatly $85,000/yr. for a couple. Now remember this is LOW INCOME for a town 60,000+
If you live in NYC,LA, of any other BIG city it's $ 53,000, $44,000 and $ 145,000 respectivly, all LOW INCOME for those areas.
Now think about this.....80% of Americans are LOW INCOME. This is unthinkable in a country that used to pride itself on the opinion that a person who had a family of 5,working a 40 hour week,making $35,000/yr, could own a house,have a good car and a vacation spot, pay all the household bills and keep the kids in the latest of things without being 'showy'. I don't know anyone making $35,000/yr. with three kids that has that kind of ability today.
According to the feds, MID-LEVEL MIDDLE INCOME, 350,000/YR!!!!! That's barely good enough to get you an efficency appt. to 'own', as a fixer-upper, that costs $500,000 in the Big City. This is also unthinkable.
For 80% of us the cost of Living is almost unbearable. They don't factor in food and gas when they tell us 'prices have gone up only slightly'. They don't tell us the 100% utility increase was due to the fines the Power Company had to pay for over pollution fines. Try asking your boss for a 100% raise the next time you've got a ticket to pay.
80% of us are having the money sucked out of our wallets faster than a hoover in overdrive. 80% of us are still waiting for the light to even flicker in the tunnel or even see the 'end' we're supposed to meet. We're the people that need the most from any sort od governance,NOT the Coperations or Upper Middle Income and Upper Income People. They hoard the wealth of the Nation on the backs of the LOWER INCOME.
80% of us have the absolute power to change the way the system works!
80% of us can be the change we want to see in the world. There's one small hangup though. 80% of don't have the money. That's true. That's why there needs to be an Executive Order written that relieves all taxes on the Low Income. Think of what you could do with NO TAXES ON LOW INCOMES.
Then we stop the second drain on your monies,compound interest rates.
The banks steal your money for doing nothing. The house you own will cost three times as much in 'interest payments' as you paid for it. You are being robbed buy the banks! They should only be allowed to charge a 'Flat Rate Interest' no matter how long you had to pay it off.
80% of us can make these things happen. 80% of us can build a better society. 80% of us can bring Peace to the World.
Draft Jeffrey7 for Prez, It's the only vote that counts!!!
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Posted by: Bab5nutz on Aug 8, 2007 9:54 AM
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The two things I would invest in would be a decent buggy - not necessarily an expensive buggy. Just something that would be easy to use, get in and out of places, and could go the distance. You could be using the buggy for three/four years, so it's worth getting a decent one - not a solid gold one, though!
The other thing would be a cot. Again, not a solid-gold one. Something solid, and safe. Again, it's going to be something that you will use for a couple of years.
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» I never even wore diapers
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Posted by: Trazom on Aug 8, 2007 10:22 AM
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Want your child to play in the local soccer league? $100 or more. And, you have to volunteer for at least one or two off-the-field activities, such as painting the lines, operating the concession stand, etc. (kind of defeats the point of volunteering doesn't it?) And don't forget the snacks and water now too. Kids dehydrate themselves a lot faster than they used to, so make sure to pack a few gallons of water. Snacks are mandatory now (I don't ever remember having one when I was a kid playing).
Want a membership to the community pool? $250-$500/year. When I was a kid, it was free.
How about school. Remember the days when just a pencil and some paper sufficed? No longer. Now we need to buy everything from glue sticks to scientific calculators because "there is no money" for these things in the budget. My favorite - buying kleenex. Yes, kleenex for the schools.
What is my point in all of this? This article talks about a small minority of generation X who are parents. Let's talk about the things that affect the vast majority, and then figure out why we're getting into debt. It seems as a parent there is no choice anymore, unless of course you want to sit home all the time.
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Posted by: Phenix on Aug 8, 2007 10:42 AM
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» The point? Parents who spend more on their kids than I do are wrong?
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Posted by: nopuppy on Aug 8, 2007 12:05 PM
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First, spelling: It's "Architectural Digest," not "Archetectural Digest". It's "too cool for school baby gear" (actually, better would be "too-cool-for-school baby gear," to easily differentiate the modifier from the compound noun, though the whole construction is awkward), not "to cool for school." It's "...with even well-heeled suburban districts routinely facing bruising battles over property tax rates...", not "...with even well-heeled suburban districts routinely face bruising battles over property tax rates..."
Why worry about a few typos? Because they're not typos. They're evidence of sloppy, haphazard thinking. The sweeping generalizations are sloppy thinking's payoff. At best, this undermines the credibility of the piece; at worst, it inevitably leads to alienating the thoughtful reader. I happen to share some of the assumptions and prejudices of the writer; but I will question those assumptions and prejudices more vigorously now; perhaps righteous indignation leads to sloppy thought, eh?
The greatest of sins is self-righteousness, for it fuels all other sins.
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Posted by: scb on Aug 8, 2007 1:06 PM
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Posted by: DaBear on Aug 8, 2007 1:58 PM
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Ad hominem slumming aside, it's curious that Ms. Olen cites no actual statistics to support her claims... oh wait, I forgot, a rich lady says it's so so we're supposed to believe her. There is not one GenX parent I know (of or personally) that even thinks about gold plated strollers or whatever the frack Olen is slobbering about here. We're too overworked and underpaid, underhoused, underinsured, etc. to care. Buy stuff from Target?! Jesus, lady, whaddaya think we are, rich or something? We shop at thrift stores dammit! Those soccer boots for little janey? Hand me downs from some yuppette from school, carefully scrubbed and polished to look new-er. Back when we needed strollers, we used a sling, made from an old shirt. Go sit in your yuppified Manhattan penthouse and poo-poo your pals but don't mix us up in your psychosis, chickita!
Here's the deal, from now on, if your GenX, you can speak from your own experience, but if you're not born between 1963 and 1971 (the genuine GenX) shut the frack up and mind your business... this was the clearest case of projection I've ever seen.
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» you've actually NEVER heard women bragging about what BRAND of stroller or crib or child seat
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Posted by: ender on Aug 8, 2007 4:02 PM
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Paragraph five: "....more than one in five children live in poverty."
Hmmm. So, then about one in five Gen Xers is also living in poverty, yeah?
Why oh why would GenXers be living in poverty?
Paragraph four: "Gen X [ers]...carry 78 percent more debt than Baby Boomers did at the same age..."
Hmmm. Healthcare, staggering college debt, falling wages, home ownership costs that double every decade, a veritable plague of corporate malfeasance, corporate welfare and externalization of corporate costs onto the unwashed masses? Perhaps the extinction of the middle class?
Naah.
Paragraph four: "Gen X[ers]...have always spent their way into popularity." Yes, that's it. The generation of grunge, tolerance, second-hand shops wearing keeping-it-real anti-consumerist and able to smell bull**** at 100 yards 'slackers' have always spent their way into popularity.
(Last time I checked the TV, it was a Logan's Run-esque wasteland of over-privileged 20 somethings a la Paris and Lohan, and super sweet sixteens conspicuously consuming with nary a thirty year old to be seen anywhere.)
Since Reagan, the United States has become a pyramid scheme using the enticing dream of freedom in a middle class life and constant shiny distractions to keep the sheep asleep. The baby boomers have gorged themselves on all that the 'greatest generation' worked for and left nothing but the bill for the Gen Xers to pay.
I found this article to be below alternet's usual standards.
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Posted by: owleyes on Aug 8, 2007 8:16 PM
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Posted by: heecheeboy on Aug 9, 2007 12:31 AM
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A suggestion to Alternet: hire some editors, stop trying to fill the site with quantity (and subscription lists that endlessly repeat content), pointless top ten lists and comment rating systems. Pay pay more attention to quality articles and vetting out poor concepts and sloppy thinking. Less is more.
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