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Iraq Is About to Become a Lot Worse

By Chris Hedges, Truthdig. Posted August 7, 2007.


The sad truth about Iraq in the near future is that it will get much, much worse, whether American troops stay or leave.
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The war in Iraq is about to get worse -- much worse. The Democrats' decision to let the war run its course, while they frantically wash their hands of responsibility, means that it will sputter and stagger forward until the mission collapses. This will be sudden. The security of the Green Zone, our imperial city, will be increasingly breached. Command and control will disintegrate. And we will back out of Iraq humiliated and defeated. But this will not be the end of the conflict. It will, in fact, signal a phase of the war far deadlier and more dangerous to American interests.

Iraq no longer exists as a unified country. The experiment that was Iraq, the cobbling together of disparate and antagonistic patches of the Ottoman Empire by the victorious powers in the wake of World War I, belongs to the history books. It will never come back. The Kurds have set up a de facto state in the north, the Shiites control most of the south and the center of the country is a battleground.

There are 2 million Iraqis who have fled their homes and are internally displaced. Another 2 million have left the country, most to Syria and Jordan, which now has the largest number of refugees per capita of any country on Earth. An Oxfam report estimates that one in three Iraqis are in need of emergency aid, but the chaos and violence is so widespread that assistance is impossible. Iraq is in a state of anarchy. The American occupation forces are one more source of terror tossed into the caldron of suicide bombings, mercenary armies, militias, massive explosions, ambushes, kidnappings and mass executions. But wait until we leave.

It was not supposed to turn out like this. Remember all those visions of a democratic Iraq, visions peddled by the White House and fatuous pundits like Thomas Friedman and the gravel-voiced morons who pollute our airwaves on CNN and Fox News? They assured us that the war would be a cakewalk. We would be greeted as liberators. Democracy would seep out over the borders of Iraq to usher in a new Middle East. Now, struggling to salvage their own credibility, they blame the debacle on poor planning and mismanagement.

There are probably about 10,000 Arabists in the United States -- people who have lived for prolonged periods in the Middle East and speak Arabic. At the inception of the war you could not have rounded up more than about a dozen who thought this was a good idea. And I include all the Arabists in the State Department, the Pentagon and the intelligence community. Anyone who had spent significant time in Iraq knew this would not work. The war was not doomed because Donald Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowitz did not do sufficient planning for the occupation. The war was doomed, period. It never had a chance. And even a cursory knowledge of Iraqi history and politics made this apparent.

This is not to deny the stupidity of the occupation. The disbanding of the Iraqi army; the ham-fisted attempt to install the crook and, it now turns out, Iranian spy Ahmed Chalabi in power; the firing of all Baathist public officials, including university professors, primary school teachers, nurses and doctors; the failure to secure Baghdad and the vast weapons depots from looters; allowing heavily armed American units to blast their way through densely populated neighborhoods, giving the insurgency its most potent recruiting tool -- all ensured a swift descent into chaos.

But Iraq would not have held together even if we had been spared the gross incompetence of the Bush administration. Saddam Hussein, like the more benign dictator Josip Broz Tito in the former Yugoslavia, understood that the glue that held the country together was the secret police.

Iraq, however, is different from Yugoslavia. Iraq has oil -- lots of it. It also has water in a part of the world that is running out of water. And the dismemberment of Iraq will unleash a mad scramble for dwindling resources that will include the involvement of neighboring states. The Kurds, like the Shiites and the Sunnis, know that if they do not get their hands on water resources and oil they cannot survive. But Turkey, Syria and Iran have no intention of allowing the Kurds to create a viable enclave. A functioning Kurdistan in northern Iraq means rebellion by the repressed Kurdish minorities in these countries.

The Kurds, orphans of the 20th century who have been repeatedly sold out by every ally they ever had, including the United States, will be crushed. The possibility that Iraq will become a Shiite state, run by clerics allied with Iran, terrifies the Arab world. Turkey, as well as Saudi Arabia, the United States and Israel, would most likely keep the conflict going by arming Sunni militias. This anarchy could end with foreign forces, including Iran and Turkey, carving up the battered carcass of Iraq. No matter what happens, many, many Iraqis are going to die. And it is our fault.

The neoconservatives -- and the liberal interventionists, who still serve as the neocons' useful idiots when it comes to Iran -- have learned nothing. They talk about hitting Iran and maybe even Pakistan with airstrikes. Strikes on Iran would ensure a regional conflict. Such an action has the potential of drawing Israel into war -- especially if Iran retaliates for any airstrikes by hitting Israel, as I would expect Tehran to do. There are still many in the U.S. who cling to the doctrine of pre-emptive war, a doctrine that the post-World War II Nuremberg laws define as a criminal "war of aggression."

The occupation of Iraq, along with the Afghanistan occupation, has only furthered the spread of failed states and increased authoritarianism, savage violence, instability and anarchy. It has swelled the ranks of our real enemies -- the Islamic terrorists -- and opened up voids of lawlessness where they can operate and plot against us. It has scuttled the art of diplomacy. It has left us an outlaw state intent on creating more outlaw states. It has empowered Iran, as well as Russia and China, which sit on the sidelines gleefully watching our self-immolation. This is what George W. Bush and all those "reluctant hawks" who supported him have bequeathed us.

What is terrifying is not that the architects and numerous apologists of the Iraq war have learned nothing, but that they may not yet be finished.

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Chris Hedges is the former Middle East bureau chief for The New York Times and the author of "War Is a Force That Gives Us Meaning." His latest book is "American Fascists: The Christian Right and the War on America.

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What choice do the Democrats have
Posted by: Nedtheredhead on Aug 7, 2007 12:29 AM   
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I have noticed, not only in this article, but in other articles at Alternet and other places, this new attack on the Democrats for not taking action against the Iraq war. How can the Democrats do anything while Bush has the veto, the Senate is still primarily a Republican house and most voting Americans are still supporting the status quo? I am assuming it is the intention of the Democrats to take action AFTER the Presidential election next year.'
As you know I am not American, and I may have missed something here, so I would be more than happy for someone to enlighten me if I am incorrect.

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» Well put Posted by: skoog5600
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» RE: Well put... sort of Posted by: MTguy
» RE: Well put Posted by: EinMD
» RE: What choice do the Democrats have Posted by: condor60s@hotm
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» There's action and then there's *action*. Posted by: orwellwasn'tdreaming
» Impeachment & Purse Strings Posted by: EKSwitaj
Why boys boys!
Posted by: TT5 on Aug 7, 2007 12:41 AM   
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The FUNS just getting started!

FUN

FUN

FUN

And even MORE FUN!

FOREVER;=))

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» And lets not forget! Posted by: TT5
» fabulous bumper sticker, Posted by: orwellwasn'tdreaming
But i only wonder
Posted by: TT5 on Aug 7, 2007 12:54 AM   
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Who is going to pay the bills?

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Hmmmmmmmm.......
Posted by: mizipi on Aug 7, 2007 1:17 AM   
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The warmongers who profit from this war will call this article "stupid". The warmongers who are too cowardly to go to Iraq, will sit at their computers and condemn those of us who are against the war. The Iraqis will suffer, except the rich Iraqis who live outside of their country. How many posters on AlterNet will disagree with this article? Only the cowards, warmongers and totally ignorant. What happened in the USA to end the Vietnam War? Whatever it was , we need for it to happen again. Last November, many of us thought the political process of congressional elections might do something about it, but what has Congress done since last January. The war continues. People die and suffer and the profits for the suppliers of the war increase. Whether true or not, Jesus did not fight back. Ghandi believed in non-violence. What happened to them? I enjoy solving puzzles, but I have no clue as to how to solve this problem.

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» RE: Hmmmmmmmm....... Posted by: paschn
» Ending Vietnam Posted by: orwellwasn'tdreaming
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The End of the United States
Posted by: Tom Degan on Aug 7, 2007 1:45 AM   
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Iraq has done to the United States what Afghanistan did to the late Soviet Union. Remember how we watched in glee as the Russkies self destructed? Somewhere right now, there are a lot of elderly, retired commies laughing their heads off.

Here me out: the salvagability of any American credibility depends on one thing and one thing only - that George W. Bush, Dick Cheney and the tidal wave of walking, talking excrement that comprises this digusting administration are tried and imprisoned for the rest of their lives for the crimes they have committed against humanity in general and the men, women and little children of Iraq in particular.

George W. Bush must not be allowed a comfy retirement in Crawford, Texas; to live out his final days cheerfully attending to his library. There will be no Bush 43 Presidential Library. His papers will be housed somewhere in the National Archives. Bush will end up being buried in the basement of his father's library - in some unmarked corner where he will decompose for all eternity unnoticed and unmourned. Who knows where poor Laura will end up being interred....

America's credibility absolutely depends on our not letting this dispicable war criminal live out his retirement as a respected "elder statesman". He needs to be held accountable for the crimes - too numerous to be catalogued - he has committed. Sadly, Dick Cheney will be able to avoid the same, well deserved fate. Given the precarious state of his health, the old bastard is going to drop dead any day now. Someone please pass me a hanky.

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
"The Rant" by Tom Degan

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mismanagement.?. no a great lie
Posted by: wleming on Aug 7, 2007 3:58 AM   
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mr. hedges continues to say what the corporate press will not allow... but please, chris, remember that the u.s. was lied into this war, by the very people you hold incompetent.
it is not enough to say that the war was mismanaged and made worse.... its very existance puts the lie to american effort to promote democracy worldwide. iraq has been, not just a disaster for the u.s. but for the world. and an image of the russians sitting by gleefully watching is more than a bit cold warish... but begs the question that they are very fearful of the blow back the u.s. is now looking at.... worldwide.

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Warmongers, Iraq, and Iran
Posted by: Roy Eidelson on Aug 7, 2007 4:03 AM   
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From a psychological perspective, the Bush administration has promoted the misguided and destructive war in Iraq by targeting five core concerns that often govern our lives--concerns about vulnerability, injustice, distrust, superiority, and helplessness. Looking ahead, the continuing occupation of Iraq--or an attack on Iran--will likely be sold to us in much the same way. I examine these warmongering appeals--and how to counter them--in a 10-minute video entitled “Resisting the Drums of War”available for viewing HERE.

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» RE: Warmongers, Iraq, and Iran Posted by: Ghoulman
Dont worry boys!
Posted by: TT5 on Aug 7, 2007 4:10 AM   
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Democracy and Iraq
Posted by: LeaderofMen on Aug 7, 2007 4:26 AM   
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"They assured us that the war would be a cakewalk. We would be greeted as liberators."

You forgot to mention that it wasn't just the pundits that said this. It was the Dick, Mr. Cheney who assured us of this SEVERAL times, all while knowing it was a total and abject lie.

Regardless, you've pointed out the most salilent points, the most important of which is that history is not on the side of Bush's grand plans to turn that region into some bastion of glorious democracy. Indeed, every step of the way everything Bush has told us about Iraq, terrorism in Iraq, terrorism in the Middle East, insurgents... you name it. He has been wrong, wrong, wrong.

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War Criminals
Posted by: packofwolves on Aug 7, 2007 4:35 AM   
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The Bush Administration should be arrested and tried as war criminals. IMPEACH BUSH AND HIS CRONIES.

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Hedges is a tuth teller
Posted by: Dee1276 on Aug 7, 2007 4:45 AM   
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Chris Hedges has a clarity of vision and grasp of the facts that is sorely needed in the media. He should be syndicated and his columns should appear in every major newspaper. He should be invited to talk on PBS and CNN and MSNBC. "Shoulds" don't matter.
Maybe all of us who appreciate his articles should barrage these news sources with copies. I'm going to send a copy to the Columbus Dispatch (aka Columbus (Ohio)Disgrace).

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Bush usurped Congress's constitutional power to declare war
Posted by: Suzon on Aug 7, 2007 4:52 AM   
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by talking it up (on Bush's behalf, Colin Powell seriously perjured himself in his presentation to the UN).

In 2003 Bush, despite his personal inadequacies, was, as commander in chief and president, an authority figure. Stanley Milgram's classic experiments showed that almost anyone will do what an authority figure tells them to. This is why otherwise decent people will drop bombs on civilians, despite their knowledge of the human suffering that will be caused. And why Congress enabled the neo-con strategy.

Could we not require anyone entering public office to pass a test that would insure that they understood something about human behavior?

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Marshall Law
Posted by: SuGee on Aug 7, 2007 4:53 AM   
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I'll bet that before his presidency is over, he'll (probably on the recommendation of Unka Dicky) declare marshall law and never leave office. By the way, he likes to torture people and he's said that GOD talks to him. Thanks Barbara, you did a wonderful job raising a serial killer.

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An exercise in madness
Posted by: Democritus on Aug 7, 2007 5:04 AM   
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Anyone who has read T.E. Lawrence's Seven Pillars of Wisdom knew that what was fashioned into Iraq was not really a country, but many families and tribes. Loyalties shifted with the desert winds. Saddam Hussein held these disparate groups together with brute force. Bush's invasion cut the Gordian knot and everything unraveled.

Now what the generals are saying is that we have paid too much in blood and treasure to turn back. What they advocate is a mad exercise in which we lose more blood and treasure; and for what? As Hedges points out, the Russians and the Chinese sit on the sidelines, the former enjoying the payback we're getting for our aid to the Mujadeen in Afghanistan--aid that hastened the demise of the Soviet Union--the latter continuing to finance our occupation of Iraq by buying our paper and therefore putting our economy at increasing risk.

Mr. Hedges may be mistaken on one point--the last remaining item in Pandora's box, which is hope. The people who inhabited the land that was briefly transformed into Iraq managed to live together in relative peace before the Western powers intervened because of their lust for the resources lying under the desert sands. Our military occupation might be a necessary condition for the increasing violence. If that condition is removed, the situation may get better, not worse. Of course, we will lose the oil; but it was never ours to take.

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» RE: An exercise in madness Posted by: mommy64
It IS our fault
Posted by: Urstrly on Aug 7, 2007 5:36 AM   
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What a tragedy this war is! Hedges is right that the blood of many, many more Iraqis is on our hands, not to mention a chaotic civil situation. It's not that we are obligated to stay until the Iraqis work things out, but whether we can be convinced to stay until George Bush has meandered back to his ranch to wait for history to redeem him. Talk about delusions! We need to recalibrate our foreign policy to take into account the damage we've done; too much has been undertaken on some blind notion that this was good for Israel or to secure oil for our SUVs. The only entity for whom this war has been win-win is Halliburton and its subsidiaries, and I have no idea how we can bring them in hand.

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Boys boys!
Posted by: TT5 on Aug 7, 2007 5:50 AM   
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The FUN hasn't even started yet;=))

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"Lions for Lambs"
Posted by: lively56 on Aug 7, 2007 6:00 AM   
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is the title for a movie coming out in Nov. this year. I don't know if any of you have seen the trailor or not, but Robert Redford tells his son that the problem is not the people who started this war, the problem is us, all of of us, who do nothing to stop it. How true.

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» RE: "Lions for Lambs" Posted by: mommy64
relax everything is on schedule
Posted by: solrev on Aug 7, 2007 6:26 AM   
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“It will, in fact, signal a phase of the war far deadlier and more dangerous to American interests.”
I am really tired of this American interests in Iraq BS, we have no real interest in Iraq, that is why we can not win. There is nothing to win.

“Democracy would seep out over the borders of Iraq to usher in a new Middle East.” The Middle East is full of democracies they are flawed because the people keep making choices we do not like or the elections are not free. The US has the most flawed democracy of all. Elections are basically free unfortunately the choices are being completely controlled.

“This anarchy could end with foreign forces, including Iran and Turkey, carving up the battered carcass of Iraq. No matter what happens, many, many Iraqis are going to die. And it is our fault.” I think Americans greatly underestimate the power of the Iraqi people and the true power of Islam. We will leave a united Iraq; it is time to declare victory and leave. The American people love winners so be careful what you wish for.

“Blessed are they that mourn, but we will all surely die”.

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Forest vs. trees
Posted by: SolitonMan on Aug 7, 2007 6:35 AM   
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The problem we really need to address is a global lack of vision. Back in the day, the common wisdom was that the earth was flat. Everyone "knew" it was flat, and it took "crazy" people to prove that this common wisdom was false. Likewise with the "knowledge" that the earth was the center of the universe. Sometimes the common wisdom needs to be held at arms' length and examined in detail.

Today we suffer from a similar delusion. Our fundamental social basis is delusional, and that delusion has led to the creation of an immoral society. Our delusion: humans are the center of the universe. We don't teach it explicitly, but it is implicitly taught in every creation myth for every "religion". God created the heavens and the earth, the creatures of the land, sea and air, and finally MAN, the pinnacle of God's achievement. Or so the common wisdom goes.

Despite the intricacy, detail and subtlety of the human experience, life is, simply, physically, stardust driven into motion by sunlight. All the trappings of ego with which we decorate our world mean nothing to the fundamental physical nature of existence. Fundamentals that can be neither ignored nor resisted without catastrophic result.

Because of our delusion of an egocentric world, we take actions, like the Iraq war and so many others, that at their basis presume that all that matters in existence are the choices made by humans on earth. This is false. In fact, if all human life on earth were to vanish, the experience of Life would most likely improve dramatically for the remaining lifeforms. Humans are not essential to the existence of Life. Life is essential to the existence of humans.

Yet on we forge, step after step down the delusional path. Nothing will change about human society unless the fundamental delusions which underlie it are identified and purged. Truth alone will allow for real problem solving. Anything else is rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.

Because of our delusion of the place of the human species in the universe, we also have a delusional understanding of morality. So many use this term as a cudgel to bash those whose behavior differs from their own. We are all immoral, since we are all willing participants in an immoral system. But to understand that, one needs to understand what it means to be moral, which, fortunately is easy enough to grasp, but basically impossible to achieve in our society. Morality means taking only what you need from Life.

Shocking? I think if you follow the logic you'll see that it's true. Necessity IS morality. And because God is very smart, necessity is also happiness. In most of our societies, the idea that you can "follow your dreams" as a means of achieving a happy life is pushed endlessly in all forms of media. But the fact is that getting what you want is as often a disappointment as a source of pleasure. How many people have NOT experienced disappointment? If you say you have, I don't believe you. I think that it's one of the common human experiences. Disappointment arises because experience fails to meet expectation.

Life is simple. Take only what you need and you'll be moral. Have what you need and you'll be happy. Humans endlessly complicate the situation with their egotistical self-indulgence, by choosing to believe in delusional ideas in order to rationalize their immoral behavior.

What does any of this have to do with the war in Iraq? Simply that in order to solve our planet-wide problems - REALLY solve them, not cover them up or distract or create newer, larger problems - we must consider and adopt a completely radical social paradigm.

At least, that's my experience.

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ANTI BUSH CONTROLLED BY NEO CONS
Posted by: geodamontodd on Aug 7, 2007 6:39 AM   
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AS LONG AS WE ARE HAVING OUR FOREIGN POLICY DICTATED BY A SMALL GROUP OF SPECIAL INTEREST PERSONNEL (IN THIS CASE NEO CONS) WE AMERICANS ARE GETTING THE SHAFT. EVERYONE KNOWS WHY THE NEO CONS WANTED IRAQ, BUSH WENT ALONG WITH IT BASED ON THE IDIOTIC PRESUMPTION THAT HE AND HIS FAMILY AND FRIENDS WOULD GET RICHER AND MORE POWERFUL BY SECURING OIL AND SELLING ARMS. WELL, THEY WERE CERTAINLY RIGHT ABOUT INCREASING THEIR WEALTH, BUT AT WHAT A HORRENDOUS COST. BUSH'S ACTIONS AND INACTIONS IN THE MID EAST AT THE BEHEST OF THE SHADOW GOVERNMENT (WE ALL KNOW BUSH COULDN'T FIGURE OUT SUCH A PLAN ALL BY HIS LONESOME) BUT HE COULD BE AND WAS HANDILY USED BY THE SUB-HUMANS WHO WANT TO RUN THE NEW WORLD ORDER. BUSH HAS DISGRACED THE ONCE GREAT USA AND THE CHIX WILL COME HOME TO ROOST IN WAYS SO TERRIBLE THEY HAVE NOT YET EVEN BEEN IMAGINED. WAY TO GO GEORGE!

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Disillusioned?
Posted by: shangrilalad on Aug 7, 2007 6:42 AM   
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Disillusioned?

Capitalism was our state religion, not democracy right from the get-go. It’s a dogma pounded into our heads from birth by everyone around us. Maybe our godlike founding fathers didn’t call it capitalism, but they all understood the concept and embraced as their founding principle: “What’s in it for me.”

A principle as old as man.

Our founding fathers were all rich or well connected white men who, first and foremost, individually cut the best deal they could for themselves. That bit about “We the People,” looked good on paper, but the notion of true democracy horrified them. They were the “Enlightened Elite,” and by golly, they would rule the country as they saw fit. Nothing has changed since then. The Devine Right of Kings, still holds.

Our “Enlightened Elite” still rule by hook and by crook because most Americans still believe the myths and capitalistic religion they’ve been taught all their lives.

“We the People,” don’t rule. We are governed by representatives who don’t represent us, and seldom have. Franklin D. Roosevelt was one of the few exceptions. Most of our elected leaders see and treat us like cattle, and they make an effort to protect their investments, but they won’t coddle us with things like Universal Healthcare. That would be too expensive. War on the other hand is so profitable, that they can suffer the loss of a few head of cattle. What’s the loss of a few million cattle compared to Billons of Dollars in profits?

So there we have the paradigm.

We are however, the first generation to get a peek at what’s really happening.

Based on what you’ve seen, heard and learned, are you feeling, disillusioned?

It’s a bummer, isn’t it?

Sometimes it becomes imperative for “We the People” to lop-off the heads of the ever increasing number of “Enlightened Elite.” We can only bow down to so many gods.

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Enough of blaming the victim!
Posted by: jbello on Aug 7, 2007 6:49 AM   
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There is no reason to believe the country would have fallen apart if we hadn't destroyed it. Our country would fall apart under the kind of dire circumstances we have created in Iraq. Occupation is an evil business. We are the problem in Iraq, not the Iraqis. The soldiers don't want to fight with us because our soldiers don't understand, and don't respect their social and political boundaries. Our leaders won't accept any decision from their government that doesn't reflect their own fantasy for the area. No. They don't want to give us their oil. Sure, the Kurds want to use this upheaval to have their own countrly. However, if that were to occur, they would then go to war against Turkey, another ally of ours. And yes, under the current circumstances, Iran is their best hope for help in rebuilding.

There are forces in Iraq that have been working for an internal solution and an end to the sectarian violence and we have consistently worked against them every step of the way. Muqtada al Sadr has been negotiating with the Sunni Council and was making headway before our people decided to undermine him every step of the way. Why, because he doesn't want the country to be occupied. He wants us to go. And he's right. If we leave right now, they might still have a chance.

I get sick of hearing about how the Iraqis are the problem. The Iraqi government (which we approved and selected) is weak and falling apart. The Iraqi army is lazy and incompetent. We destroy every independent asset they acquire, because if we can't control it, they can't have it. Then we wonder why they don't show independence in their governance. Well, they hate us and with good reason. They don't trust us and with good reason.

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War criminals - never
Posted by: ps2987 on Aug 7, 2007 7:18 AM   
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I'm pretty sure you're dreaming if you think that the US govt will ever declare Bush and Cheney as war criminals. But I certainly agree that they should not be allowed to live out their lives as respected former govt officials. In reality, I think the best we could hope for is for them to be hounded, harassed and protested against at ever public function that they attend for the rest of their lives. They certainly deserve that much.

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» RE: War criminals - never Posted by: VZEQICVA
hold up
Posted by: hellofriends on Aug 7, 2007 7:39 AM   
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ok. yea. it's a horrible situation. we know. articles like this reinforce my disturbing suspicion that many people who are against this war are actually HAPPY when they hear news about how badly it's going in iraq. car bomb = "bush is bad." 17 killed in market = "see i was right." it's like we're rooting for failure because it supports our particular ideological perspective. would actual and undeniable progress in iraq---if it were to occur---be greeted with disappointment by anyone here?

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IT WILL HAPPEN WITH RON PAUL OR DENNIS KUCINICH. YOU CAN'T...
Posted by: poppop_schell on Aug 7, 2007 7:42 AM   
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COUNT ON ANYONE ELSE. Take a look at what Ron Paul sai on the GOP Debate this past Sunday. The Ron Paul Revoltion is gaining ground with many Democrats like myself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhXc7LiPlsw

ronpaul2008.com

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Good Things Come To Those Who Wait
Posted by: InsertNameHere on Aug 7, 2007 7:46 AM   
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The most painful thing to watch will be the looks on everyone's faces when Hillary continues this criminal war after her election to the White House. Let the back-peddling begin!

As I recall, she hasn't recanted on her support for the war and her only criticism of it has been the management of it. She supports 'redeployment', a fancy deck-shuffle designed to quiet the antiwar crowd while they get on with the business of killing more civilians and extracting their oil.

There is no way in hell the Democrats will support someone who comes out and says that this war was wrong from the beginning. Obama? Get real. He just came out and said he wouldn't nuke Pakistan. Game over for him.

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MORE CHRIS HEDGES
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Aug 7, 2007 7:55 AM   
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He tends to get dramatic and hysterical. He may or may not be wrong, but his style of 'this is how it's gonna be' is a little offensive to me. Iraq has gotten worse by the day since day one. His remarks are really not a gamble. Based on the last 5 yrs. he's on the safe side of the bet. So he doesn't go far out on a limb. This has all been said before because sadly things continue to get worse by the day. I'm just a little weary of it all. Thanks, ANNA

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David Chabot
Posted by: dchabot on Aug 7, 2007 8:06 AM   
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Good article. But in my point of view, the chaos in the middle east is exactly what they wanted. The "liberation of Irak" and the "democracy" were only propaganda tools. It's part of a "divide and conquer" strategy: while they are fighting, grab the country's resources.
Our real ennemies are not the islam extremists. They are here in america, great britain and europe. They are the ones who perpetrate all this violence around the world and create terrorists.

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And other countries could follow...
Posted by: ladmeaux on Aug 7, 2007 8:17 AM   
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Iraq gives the Muslim world a glowing example of the failure of a Western-style, imposed nation state, one which emboldens all factions involved, and encourages an outward and violent jihad, rather than an inner struggle. Other Muslim countries - Pakistan, Afghanistan, Lebanon - are equally strife riven, arbitrary geo-political creations that coud crumble. Though they all have had stable periods, and evem occasionally without "strong-men" like Tito and Saddam, now all three are in big trouble from both Shi'a and Sunni extremism, fueling strife where the vast majority of the population are caught between as helpless victims. Only the future will tell, but the tide of extremism certainly is rising... what happens when Pak really can't control the NWFF, Balochistan and Waziristan, Karzai's government and NATO cannot control a resurgent Taliban, while Iraq burns, Lebanon errupts into civil war again... and our vaunted military is broken, burnt-out and of no use except for lobbing some innacurate long-distance air strikes that inevitably just end up killing innocent people...

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General Strike
Posted by: Gonnuts on Aug 7, 2007 8:22 AM   
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Impeach/Out of Iraq GENERAL STRIKE SEPT.11th

Buy nothing - do nothing! Tell your co-workers, friends, neighbors, strangers, stay home from work, be you cab-driver, baker, banker, waitress, manager, painter, contractor, cashier, cameraman, garbage collector, entertainer, laborer, gardener, if you own a company give your employees the day off, whatever you do do nothing! Is you future and the future of this country worth one day out of your life? Bring this country to a standstill!

Pass it on. Post a sign.

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LarryHeath
Posted by: LarryHeath on Aug 7, 2007 8:29 AM   
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Going in to Iraq - - to quote Professor Harold Hill, from The Music Man: You've go to know the territory!

Going in was a bad idea, as this article said. But to have the guy who "did it" be so ignorant, misguided and arrogant - - there is just no excuse that congress and the media let him get away with it.

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» RE: LarryHeath Posted by: dover23
Running is no option
Posted by: ray burchard on Aug 7, 2007 8:33 AM   
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The writer, Chris Hedges is correct in suggesting that America, regardless of whether or not we individually agreed or disagreed with this corporate American war in Iraq, we as Americans own it, morally and ethically its made in America. Now Saddam Hussein’s hyperbole, “the mother of all wars” isn’t so funny, and turn tail and running is not an American option.

What makes America's concept of democracy great is in the (whole) of holism. A harmonious modality as organism interaction created by establishing equality through the individual’s vote. Thereby extrapolating sovereignty equality to your opposition and In doing so, letting the majority rule, regardless of party, gender, race or religion.

This institutionalizing the creation of an harmonious reality is likened by mathematics symmetrical whole number resolve as opposed to the chaos, discord and confrontation created by fractional number resolve.
There as a harmonious modality being man kind’s moral compass in his attempting balance between life’s on going (parities/disparities).

The anfractuous dichotomy, then seen as being the Muslim reality, where the comprising factions refuse to extend to their opposition an equality standing in sovereignty, "NO QUARTER", "Death to the infidels", fractionalism, where consequently its always a violent joust between becoming either the tyrant or the oppressed.

This is why the Muslim reality is so tumultuous that the individual can find so little solace here on earth, they have to believe that their solace will then come when they join ALLAH, its not a death wish, but moreover, just not enough to create a stronger wish to live....i.e. suicide bombers. Demonstrating the disparity between fractionalism and (whole) holism.

Mathematically it’s the difference between “Pure mathematics” whole number resolve and “Applied mathematics” Fractional number resolve, with the use of binary 'Odd' and 'Even' numbers as Kurt Godel's Recursive and Primary Recursive Numbers Theory.

In "pure mathematics" separation of the animated whole (biological engineering) is accomplished by cleaving along lines of symmetrical weakness, dominate/subordinate. String theory’s principles 01 plus their mirrored image 10 equaling 11, symmetrically cleaved into two parts (01 + 10) = 11, whole number resolve, E. A. Milne's Theory of "Kinematic Relativity" as differing vantage point generated descriptions of the same entity. Demonstrating the (men/women) relationship as mutually ignorant descriptions of the whole in the terms of one and another


While in "applied mathematics" separation of the inanimate whole (structural engineering / commerce) is accomplished by division along lines of equality, as equal parts of the whole. 11 divided by 2 = (5.5 + 5.5) = 11, Fractional resolve, A. Einstein’s “Theory of Relativity”.



In Summation, When we build a society of man on the principals of an applied mathematics, a system designed to facilitate commerce and inanimate engineering (fractionalizing mathematics), then applied to the living as the stalwart foundation for all logical resolve. What we end up with is a fractionalized society pitting, profit against loss, asset vs. liability and man vs. women, black vs. white, Christian vs. Muslim, etc...Etc.....i.e. the necessity of 'leap years'.... 46 chromosomes while 23.5 pair....Pere de Fermats 'Last Theorem'. And institutionalizing a “pathetic fallacy” where everything is equated to the almighty dollar.

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Just the Begining
Posted by: shadowkicker on Aug 7, 2007 8:55 AM   
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This is just the begining folks. How bad will it get when Cheney declares martial law, suspends the constitution, and bombs Iran after a staged false flag attack is carried out here in the USA

In the immortal words of our Lord Jesus

"All these are the beginning of sorrows" (Matthew 24:8)

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» Who cares? Posted by: mizipi
The Arabists and the Zionists
Posted by: edith on Aug 7, 2007 8:55 AM   
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The author correctly illustrates one major reason that common sense did not prevail in the planning of the Iraq War: Arabists, that is, experts in Near East affairs, were ignored. That is because Zionists controlled the Secretary of Defense and also have significant influence at the CIA which works hand in hand with Mossad with which CIA teams to secure "intelligence" about the Near East. Mossad, a really dependable source of info for the US to make decisions on behalf of the American people as a whole, instead of one ethnic group.

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Razor thin majority, small majority?
Posted by: agathena on Aug 7, 2007 9:08 AM   
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How does that explain the 41 Democrats who voted under pressure from lame duck 29% GWB to give him permission to spy on US citizens and further expand his power-grab?

AND how about the power of the filibuster?

No excuses anymore. Whatever the Democratic strategy, they have made a feckless cave-in to the White House. It is stomach-turning and does not give me cause for "understanding." Now read the NYT editorial if you want a description of what just happened in Congress; it's entitled "Fearful Dems"

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25ghostcommander
Posted by: 25ghostcommander on Aug 7, 2007 9:08 AM   
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The Iraq war is two smokescreens. One is for the Largest Robbery in History of Taxpayer's money-specially your children and grandchildren. Two--the Iraq War is instrumental in establishing a Fascist America. Read the 12 Year Reich by Richard Grunberger, Check out Victor Klemperer on the web and the language of the Nazi's, and the 14 points of Fascism by Dr. Lawrence Britt--ratical.org/fasci. Then compare this info to the Bush misadministration. Welcome to America's First Reich.

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The Democrats may have the majority, but...
Posted by: outlander55 on Aug 7, 2007 9:32 AM   
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The Senate is still largely Republican. They continually filibuster most legislation and then claim the Democrats are leading a "Do nothing Congress". On the other hand, the Democrats can suspend rules (like the Repugnants threatened during the Samuel Alito conformation hearings) and deny the ability the filibuster any legislation. But, then the Idiot in Chief (a.k.a. George Bush) will veto it any way. The House and Senate have no balls to stand up to this megalomaniacal despot. Amerika is in big trouble and if the people of the world can not see this, then they are either blind or too complacent. More and more Amerikans are seeing their dream go up in smoke with every explosion in Iraq. Proper health care is becoming a luxury. Our civil rights are being plucked away a little at a time by a Justice Department whos' leader (Fredo) is shredding the Constitution. Corporate Fascism is slowly swallowing up what is left of the American Dream. Welcome to Amerika, Land of the disenfranchised worker, home of those who are in debt up to their ears. My desire to leave the land I love is becoming stronger every day. Our government has been hijacked by corrupt men who seek only wealth and power. Their disregard of oversight is historic. The throwing around of Executive Privilege is just one example of the disdain that the White House has for the law. The Vice President is a loose cannon, living in a fantasy world of his own (have you ever heard him speak on TV?) Their crimes are too numerous to list here.
Alot can happen in the 15 months leading up to the 2008 election. Already, Habeas Corpus has been canceled, along with the implementation of warrentless wire tapping and Bush's Executive Order giving him full power during a crisis. What will be next? Will he suspend the election and declare himself "Supreme Leader"?
Where are the American people?! Why are they not out in the streets, screaming for justice? Wait a minute... Oh yeah, I forgot... The majority of the American people are more interested in American Idol, Paris Hilton and her gal pals, and Nascar than what is really going on in the world, much less their own country. And for those of us who are aware, we are going out of our minds trying to educate the sheeple. But they keep voting against their own self interests. They would rather hide in their little dens and watch their big screen TVs, claiming, "Why should I bother to vote. Nothing will change".
And with an attitude like that, nothing will change... Except, Big Brother will be watching....
We, the people are truly screwed. And there is no rescue in sight.


Good night and good luck...

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There are only two ways the US will leave Iraq. Maybe three.
Posted by: sausage on Aug 7, 2007 9:55 AM   
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One: A majority of American forces now on the ground in Iraq, army and marines, must suffer a humiliating defeat, in detail, at the hands of armed insurgents as did the French at Diem Bien Phu or the Germans at Stalingrad. A Tet-like offensive would not be enough, American ground forces in Vietnam were not defeated. Scared yes, defeated no. And anyway the mainstream media is under tighter self-censorship now. No Walter Conkite to tell us this thing is lost.

Two: A general mutiny of a majority of American forces, army and marine, in Iraq such as the Kiel Mutiny in October 1918 by common sailors of the German High Seas Fleet, thereby ending Germany's participation in the war, contrary to America propaganda then as now. This scenario is highly unlikely since the advent of the All Volunteer Force the military is seen more as a career than a duty to the country and a high ratio of committed "born-again" Christians in the ranks. And let us not forget the 14 permanent military bases.

There is a third option for the early withdrawl of US forces from Iraq, and that's on the order of the next duly elected president. Don't hold your beath.

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Religion, Fear, War
Posted by: mommy64 on Aug 7, 2007 10:15 AM   
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To be exposed to religious condemnation, and fear, during early childhood, and, simultaneously, threat and fear of war is unbelievable. Then, consider the effects of on-going war within one's homeland upon children. And Chomsky writes about the sponge-like three year old brain.

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What's it going to take to get us out?
Posted by: Rebel with a cause on Aug 7, 2007 10:23 AM   
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Since the elections are a long way off - and Bush, Cheney, and buddies are making big money for every minute we stay in Iraq - and the Democrats don't have the decency to stop funding this madness, the only thing left is widespread civil disobedience. America has got to threaten to become ungovernable. As a war-resister during the Vietnam years, I think that's probably what was the deciding factor then; whether it will work now is a good question. (If you're concerned about detention camps for dissidents, please remember these were also rumored to be ready in the 70s.)

Ending the war has to become a "top-of-mind item" for most Americans. We've ALL got to repeatedly write our representatives and deluge our local news media to drive home the message that "We're mad as hell and we're not going to take it anymore!" You might refuse to pay your taxes until the war is ended. The prison camps aren't big enough to hold all of us and it costs money to process and house dissidents. Maybe the Chinese won't want to keep loaning us the money to pay our bills when they see things breaking down here.

If you really want to frost the Neo-cons' ass, register for the Republican primary and vote for Ron Paul. His victory in the primary would signal that the Neo-Cons have lost their hold on this country.

We're all going to have to make sacrifices to take our country back. Are you willing to get over relatively minor discomforts like arrest and imprisonment to end the slaughter of innocent children and other civilians by our forces every day in Iraq and Afghanistan? Would you even swallow your pride and vote for a Republican who will end the war? We've got to do more than talk, friends.

Elect Ron Paul and then definitely root out and prosecute the war criminals who tried to steal our freedom and our country!

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» you're missing the point... Posted by: dover23
It's time for a second American Revolution.
Posted by: HughScott on Aug 7, 2007 10:26 AM   
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Democrats caving to Bush last weekend on warrantless wiretapping was my last straw.

It's time for freedom-loving citizens to invade Washington, D.C. set up protest camps and raise hell until Congress starts representing us, ordinary Americans, instead of the upperclass, neocons, big business, greedy globalists, etc.

I suggest that MoveOn.org plan a massive invasion of D.C. by automobiles to coincide with the September Iraq progress (bullshit) report. Living in California, I'm too far to drive but I'll damn sure fly out and take up residence in a pup-tent by the Capitol Building. Anyone care to join me?

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» A "massive invasion" Posted by: hurricane hugo
A slight disagreement
Posted by: sculptor on Aug 7, 2007 11:14 AM   
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I'm going to disagree here, in principle, about one thing said in this piece. That is about the degree of the inevitability of the dislocation of Iraq and Yugoslavia. You said what held Iraq together was Sadam and what held Yugoslavia together was the secret police. That may be true but nations like this don't fall apart on their own, they fall apart because of the actions of cynical power seeking and manipulative leaders. These "leaders" are in essence the antithesis of the "leaders" that held these nations together in the first place. Human nature being what it is, these nations would have held together if these new "leaders" had not arisen. However, human nature being what it is, this kind of scum (leader) will rise to the top in a situation like this and do his best to exploit the divisions in such a nations.

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Bush said to them, "Bring it On!!!!"
Posted by: eosrk on Aug 7, 2007 1:51 PM   
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...and the insurgents, Al-Qadia, and the lot have been doing an good job of it ever since that idiot-type of comment!

Meanwhile, we have bridges falling down, streets crumbling from underneath us, lock and dams eroding away, school system constatly failing...do I need to go on.

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Consider/Comment
Posted by: mommy64 on Aug 7, 2007 4:42 PM   
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Sean Gonsalves, represented within these fora, presents columns, including: "Is Religion the Source of All Evil," a well responded to column which received a 3 rating (3 of 5). Please review his column, scroll near the end to a contribution by Regnar Danneskjold, who presents five points which illustrate a Mid-East profile.

Because Hedge's column is current, and so intense, it would be appreciated if fora participants read and respond to Danneskjold's illustration. Thank you!

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PARASITE STATE –> WARNING: this is NOT about "Capitalism" Gone Bad
Posted by: Hal on Aug 7, 2007 7:11 PM   
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The issue of Iraq War Incorporated and its faux “war on terror” goes to the core of a blood money system that is anything but what it pretends to be.

So-called “capitalism” coined by puzzled “communist” Karl Marx DOES NOT EXIST in a de facto Fascist and centrally controlled organized corporate crime state.

By definition, capitalism requires free and open markets of ideas and culture as well as commerce.

Anyone that believes they actually live under the “capitalism” and “democracy” our founders intended is in dire need of a clue. Both “parties” at Amerika Corp are owned by the same master. And it isn’t anyone visible out of bad theatre DC and its MSM carny echo chamber.

“Capitalism” and “democracy” are – at best – Kool-Aid slogans pumped by corporate gangsters to gull the sheep and take what they want from a system cooked from the top down to produce blood and treasure for Fascist parasites.

ONE MORE TIME: welcome to the machine. The de facto Fascist spy state which controls:

1] the economy
2] the government
3] the “Mockingbird” media (a.k.a. MSM)
4] “education”



“The ruling class has the schools and press under its thumb. This enables it to sway the emotions of the masses.”
DOCTOR ALBERT EINSTEIN (Nobel Laureate and refugee from Nazi fascism. 1879-1955)

“The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the larger centers has owned the government ever since the days of Andrew Jackson.”
PRESIDENT FRANKLIN D. ROOSEVELT (on oligarch rule in a letter to handler “Colonel” Edward M. House, confidence man for the cartel and founder of the Council on Foreign Relations. House also handled President Wilson in the foisting of a private and unconstitutional “Federal Reserve” Corporation sham with its IRS in 1913. FDR speaks of monopolists at cartel centers of New York & London that own the U.S. Government. November 21st, l933)

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THE IRAQI WAR
Posted by: marrieah on Aug 7, 2007 7:47 PM   
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Remember when Saddam Hussein talked about the 'MOTHER OF ALL WARS'.

Too bad the US didn't listen. I suspect Saddam was not talking about a war with weapons, but a war between the religion factions in his country that good, bad. right or wrong, he had a handle on.

Even the one that were killed by his army, he didn't wadge that brutal attack until they tried to have Saddam killed.

I often wonder what would happen to people in this country who would try and knock off Bush. Or any public figure for that matter.

Bush came into office with Saddam on his bull's eye. Incrediously 9-11 happened nine months after Bush was sworn in.

Saddam and bin Laden were sworn enemies. Saddam and the Saudis were sworn enemies. Bin Laden was a US operative during the war between Afghanistan and the Soviets or Russia. Once you work for the US in espionage, you always work for them. The Saudis and family Bush are busom buddies. What country in the world is capable of pulling off the workings of a 9-11 without our government not knowing about it and get away with it. Why is that our government insist that they didn't know the whos and where abouts out the hijackers of 9-11, but was able to identify every one when they were burnt to a crisp. Most of these guys were Saudis, the same Saudis that the Us is now providing weapons to as of last week.

THIS COUNTRY HAS BEEN HAD BIG TIME.

And yet we are still sending our men and women to fight a fixed fight for a man who would be caught dead in military ware except for show.

WE ARE ONE STUPID COUNTRY

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Now boys boys!
Posted by: TT5 on Aug 7, 2007 8:52 PM   
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No need to rush! The FUN hasn't even started yet;=))

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» And lets not forget! Posted by: TT5
US Foreign Policy
Posted by: guerillaTHOUGHTterrorist on Aug 7, 2007 9:56 PM   
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Brothers and Sisters,

Your government is selling you out. Iraq is just another. in a long line of conflicts in which the United States government has decided to participate in at the expense of blood from your sons and daughters.

These so-called "educated" leaders settle for complacent, lazy terms in office and choose to ignore diplomacy in favor of a non-existent foreign policy of unnecessary aggression. Our government has continually thrown money and bombs at their problems, rather than to sit down and discuss differences in morals, values and beliefs like any other civilized human being would do. Our government did provide funds to Iraq, Iran and Bin Laden, we've put dictators in power, we've taken out a democratically elected socialist regime, and we've even put our own soldiers needlessly into harms way such as the Gulf of Tonkin Incident (which turned out to be a false flag operation against our own servicemen), and this war among countless others.

Not only does this set a bad moral standard, and affect the attitudes of our youth more than say video games, movies and music, but this perpetuates a hypocrisy to the rest of the world. While our government praises Democracy, they do nothing to uphold the ideals of this potentially great system of government which can only further fuel resentment against the US. Our government seldom hands out foreign aid, unless of course that country, guerrilla or terrorist group is a strategic ally against a cause such as fascism, communism and terrorism.

Our government has been doing this for years. The names and causes change, but conflict remains the same. Just look at the federal budget and see how much is being spent of defense. We are a military hyperpower. There is no army on this earth that is able to sustain an extended ground, air, or sea offensive against the US, yet we choose to ignore centuries of sectarian violence by exporting our misaligned sense of government so corporate America can benefit from the bloated wartime-economy, while they let your education go down the shitter by only spending 9 cents for every wasted dollar on it, while they let you get sick and rot away with no healthcare, while allowing the exportation of our jobs, while the government lets corporate , but I guess it's alright because they tell me that I'm free.

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"What is terrifying. . ."
Posted by: monkeywrench on Aug 7, 2007 10:24 PM   
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". . .is not that the architects and numerous apologists of the Iraq war have learned nothing, but that they may not yet be finished."

What is equally terrifying is that we, the American people, have let them do it. Cowered by fear after the 9/11 attack, we have been content to trade freedom for a little temporary security – and, as Benjamin Franklin stated, deserve neither freedom nor security in the eyes of our new dictatorship.

We have not marched on Washington as during Vietnam; we have not demanded more than salacious gossip from the "news" media; we have not turned out of office by a margin so large as to make election fraud impossible the most evil, most criminal administration since the Third Reich. What we have done is been suckered by propaganda on the level of the old Soviet Union into believing that our stupid, naked, drug-store emperor is wearing the new clothes of a "war president."

What is most terrifying to me is that by the time we realize what demented clowns are running our government, by the time we realize that the american democratic experiment is running out, it will be too late to recover, the iron fist of dictatorship having closed around us. If that day comes – and it seems perilously close – we will then, painfully, relearn the lessons of Nazi Germany. The Third Reich was to stand for a thousand years, but a powerful America and free Europe stopped it in less than ten. With no one to come to our aid, who will stop this Fourth Reich, and for how long will it stand?

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Iraq is a roaring success...
Posted by: ceti on Aug 7, 2007 10:58 PM   
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1. For the war profiteers of all kinds involved in the lucrative and completely corrupt task of rebuilding the country or supplying the troops with both food and weapons.

2. For military contractors who now outnumber US soldiers in Iraq, subverting the centre of power like the old Barbarian mercenaries did for Rome.

3. For the Zionists who are celebrating the destruction of a once proud and fiercely nationalistic people, now battered and divided into warring sects, while their country is turned into a wilderness.

4. For the grand designs of the US Empire which has succeeded in installing itself in old Babylon, the strategic centre of the Old World, while generating its own raison d'etre by instigating renewed terrorism as a weapon of the weak.

In all four cases, the lives of three thousand or even ten thousand soldiers does not matter. After all, it is better that they die over there than demand fast disappearing good jobs over here.

Welcome to the Sith Empire...

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House divided?
Posted by: Col. Jackleg on Aug 8, 2007 10:02 AM   
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I think it is fair to say that the Iraq "war" has been bandied about long enough to establish two things: (1) it is a travesty; (2) there is no consensus about how to overcome it. Ah, a classic "house divided?" Bushoids will never abandon ship, Democrats have no idea where the ship is docked, and the public believe that the last ship of registry was Noah's Ark. Now, if only Yogi Bear, Fred Flintstone, Homer Simpson or Archie Bunker could find a way onto the 2008 ballot we might have some hope for redemption, but that won't happen and neither will the sole solution of Dennis Kucinich either.

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ZERO
Posted by: pappy on Aug 8, 2007 11:17 AM   
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YOUR ALL RIGHT .HAVEN'T YOU SEEN " ZEITGEIST"?
If not check it out
WE are never leaving iraq.The goons at the federal reserve will see to that.
SHUT DOWN THE FEDERAL RESERVE,SAY NO TO NORTH AMERICAN UNION AND REAL ID!

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Thanks for the sacrifice
Posted by: Doggycuny on Aug 9, 2007 5:49 AM   
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Would just like to thank our brave armed forces for going to war and giving us Zombies back home some good old entertainment on our TV's! It's very honorable of you to give up your lives so we can watch some more explosions and flying limbs on TV - it's great fun! I wish I was there in Iraq with you to share the enjoyment but would just prefer to stay here with my family. And don't worry if you get blown up; we won't cry. We'll just watch TV, numb faced, waiting for news of another worthless life taken away. Keep it up! Hoorah!

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TZ
Posted by: TZ on Aug 12, 2007 12:16 PM   
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There are so many bad guys in this war in Iraq but two stand out over the others.

1. The arms dealers who are making a fortune and love it no matter how many people die or how really insecure America becomes.

2. Russia and China who control the UN votes and love it that the Unired States is wasting its resources in people, the psychological effects on the military, especially, and cold hard cash while they sit on the sidelines and wonder how Americans made it this far, being as stupid as we are.

Pray hard. This is how a country dies.

Thomas Zammikiel
Cleveland, Ohio

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