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Rudy: Worse Than Bush?
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Giuliani's main claim to fame is his conduct immediately after 9/11. Many still remember his TV press conference the night of the attacks, when a reporter asked how many casualties there would be. Giuliani had a magnificent answer: "More than we can bear." Compared to what President Bush was saying, that was Shakespeare.
But what about the rest of his performance around 9/11?
"Most of 9-11 was actually a debacle for the city government," Baker told me in an interview, and "Giuliani bears a great deal of the responsibility." The World Trade Center had been attacked in 1993, but Giuliani had "learned none of the lessons that could have been learned. There was no serious attempt to coordinate the radios between the police and fire departments, or even to insure that the fire department had its own communications that would work inside buildings." The consequences? "Probably hundreds of unnecessary deaths that day."
The second failure: Giuliani insisted on locating his emergency control center in the World Trade Center complex, even though that had been the target of the 1993 attack. "He did that against the advice of virtually all the security experts he consulted," Baker explained. "He put it on the twenty-third floor of a forty-seven-story building, World Trade Center Tower 7. It included an unprotected, 7,000 gallon fuel source on the seventh floor, a sort of a fuse to set the building off. When the building was hit by debris on 9/11, that did indeed bring the whole building down."
What if Giuliani he had been in his new command center on 9/11?
"He was within a few minutes of dying right there that day," Baker said. "Instead he ended up having to spend most of the 102 minutes between when the first plane hit and when the second tower came down simply walking around the area with staff members, looking for someplace to set up a new command center."
What should he have been doing?
"Other things badly needed to be done," Baker said. "Realizing there was no communicating with the firemen who were in these towers, maybe they could have set up a trail of runners or something to tell them they should get out of there, the towers are coming down. Nothing like that was done."
Giuliani told the 9/11 Commission that the firemen in the towers died because they refused orders to come out. He said they wanted to save lives of people trapped inside.
"That's a demonstrable lie," Baker told me. "The firemen in the buildings were simply waiting for orders. They never got the word. It's easy to second-guess people in such a traumatic event, and anybody could be forgiven for not making the right decisions in the middle of everything. But to go to Congress months later and lie about this -- I find that despicable."
The workers at Ground Zero in the following months, we now know, were exposed to significant health hazards. How much of that is Giuliani's responsibility? "He made no real attempt to determine the safety of working there," Baker said. "That was also the responsibility of Christie Todd Whitman, was the EPA Administrator at the time."
So what did Giuliani do after 9/11?
"He very quickly took the disaster of 9/11 as a great opportunity," Baker told me. "He proposed that his term in office be extended to give him more time to deal with things, and he tried to put his mistress of the time, who later became his third wife, Judith Nathan, in charge of a fund set up to give money to survivors and victims' families. Right from the beginning he was trying to exploit this. The words he said on TV were wonderful, but they weren't backed up by any actions at all."
Before 9/11, one of the things that made Giuliani famous, in New York at least, was his success at getting the "squeegee-men" off the streets. Baker explained that "The scourge of the squeegee-men involved a couple of dozen homeless black guys with buckets and squeegees who would come up to cars at red lights near the tunnels and bridges and offer to clean your windshield, expecting some kind of tip in return. They were not terribly threatening people. Usually you could deflect them by tapping on the window and shaking your head. End of story.
"But these guys were seen as another sign that the social order had broken down in New York. Right-wing institutions like the Manhattan Institute said they were a 'symbol of disorder' that encouraged crime, along with graffiti and turnstile-jumping and broken windows. So Giuliani made a big part of his 1993 campaign a promise to clear the squeegee-men off the streets. In fact by the time he took office in 1994, almost all of them had been cleared off the streets, by the police department. But nonetheless he got credit for this."
Giuliani as mayor said he would reduce crime -- and the crime rate did go down while he was mayor. But, Baker argued, "It had already dropped dramatically before Giuliani took office, under Mayor David Dinkins. Under Dinkins the murder rate dropped 14 per cent, robbery 15 percent, burglary 17 per cent -- the first time major crime dropped in New York City in all seven major felony categories in nearly four decades. This was before Giuliani ever came to power. It did continue to drop once he was in City Hall, but of course it also dropped dramatically throughout the country."
New York had real problems when Giuliani ran for mayor: deindustrialization, the disappearance of blue collar jobs, white flight, and then the plagues of heroin, guns and AIDS. But it was Giuliani's "insidious political genius," Baker said, to take these real problems and turn them into an argument that "the city was out of control because a black mayor was letting blacks in this town get out of control." That argument, Baker said, got him elected.
A lot of us would be delighted to see the Christian right lose in the Republican primaries. Baker agreed that Giuliani is indeed a real threat to the Christian right. But, he argued, "the problem with Bush is not so much his religious ideology, crazy as that can be. It's the arrogance emanating from this man. It's the cronyism, the incompetence, and the frightening authoritarian impulses. Giuliani embodies all the worst of that, and maybe more."
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Posted by: ericthefool on Aug 1, 2007 12:55 AM
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I'm stumped...and while all you people playing the bipartisan bs like who's cleavage is bigger, or who's hair is prettier, or who's poo don't stink the worst....this country is being sold down the river by trash we call Government.
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Posted by: orion0s on Aug 1, 2007 1:32 AM
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cries and pleading,that it was the secret police throwing
to the sharks the mental ill,the vagrants etc in Barranquilla
Colombia I did not believe untill I saw it with my eyes
risking the neck in the proccess.
Do not believe me.but friends swear they saw the same in New
York under Gulliani.
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Aug 1, 2007 3:22 AM
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One thing is for certain: The next year and a half will be a political junkie's dream.
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"The Rant" by Tom Degan
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» how can anyone with a modicum of intelligence like Rudy?
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» New Yorkers Know Rudy ...
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» "Think of what he could do for this country..."
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» And worked to clean up the streets...
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» RE: And worked to clean up the streets...
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» dino I thought you worked for the rethug party. Did rudy hire you now?
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» INCORRECT.
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» Rudy is a crossdresser and that is why he is too busy to lead....
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» Defeatism....
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» catdad,thats the pot calling the kettle black. Your posts are almost always pessimistic
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» Giuliani's fingerprints are all over building 7's "collapse."
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» What caused the explosion in WTC7? BEFORE the towers collapsed?
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» 9-11 "Truth Movment" - A "Controlled Demolition" of the Left
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» Riiiiight
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» moon landing? what moon?
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» but... but.. Jon Wiener says that Kevin Baker said...
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» Guiliani=Crnl. Klink
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» RE: Adolf Guiliani
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» Search for the video on you tube
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» What you are saying is identical to what they are doing to the democratic race...
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Posted by: LMNOP on Aug 1, 2007 6:05 AM
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What monster have those monsters concocted for us this time?
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» And what in hell is wrong with the American public
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» Now those are some truly frightening thoughts!
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Posted by: Maggieb on Aug 1, 2007 7:09 AM
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Join the real Revolution with Ron Paul and DO SOMETHING!
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» Ron Paul is our only hope right now.
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» Ellie1: You're right about Ron Paul. He only wants to retrun America to the...
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Posted by: Democritus on Aug 1, 2007 7:19 AM
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Michael Moore's "Sicko" shows how Hillary veered to the right after she failed in her bid to reform health care. If she gets elected, you can kiss a single-payer health care plan goodbye, and you can say "hello" to increased privatization of whatever remains of our third-world health care system. If Giuliani were to get elected we would get even worse--perhaps another invasion to benefit "big oil."
Why are our journalists and pundits concerned with how much money Hillary, Rudy, or Barack are raising--or how much Edwards pays for his haircuts? Why aren't they publicizing the Conyers-Kucinich health care bill (HR 676) that would put everyone under Medicare? It's hard not to be cynical in seeing our media and our "pundits" as part of the same, corrupt political process that will offer us the choice of Clinton or Giuliani in 2008. Now that's what's really meant by a "Hobson's choice."
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoGfhv80ii0
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Posted by: lamar on Aug 1, 2007 7:27 AM
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Bringing in Disney and arresting everybody. Is that what we want in the White House? Perhaps NYC needed an enema, and Rudy was just the cocky asshole to do it. Rudy wants a police state, and his NYC record is exhibit one of that fact.
I can't stand it when GOPers cite his success in NYC as a reason to make him president. Are we going to make America better by arresting everybody? It isn't that Rudy has some positives and negatives. The problem I have is that Rudy's positives are his biggest negatives.
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» RE: udy cleaned up NYC, but does America need a police state?
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» "organized with a response"
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» RE: udy and George and Dick!
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Posted by: WhuThe?!? on Aug 1, 2007 7:56 AM
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They could have never pulled it off without his assistance!
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» My next door neighbors
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» Or just....
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» Absolutely Unnecessary Comment.
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Posted by: po cracka on Aug 1, 2007 8:14 AM
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Nothing about it in the 9/11 Commision report. WTC7 came straight down, no 7th floor explosions on any of the ample video available. Sound like Wiener believes the Mickey Mouse mainstream version on the 9/11 incident, even padding it out for them.
Sure, Rudy is wicked. But Wiener was too easy on him. Nothing new or insightful in this writing by Wiener. This was a fluff/ filler article.
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» not according to anyone, no, so why does Wiener say it as if it were true?
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» RE: fuel reserve brought WTC7 down.
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Posted by: lc on Aug 1, 2007 8:17 AM
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"When a friend of mine did explain to me the origin of distant
cries and pleadings; that it was the secret police throwing
to the sharks the mental ill, the vagrants etc in Barranquilla
Colombia, I did not believe it until I saw it with my own eyes
risking my neck in the process.
Do not believe me, but friends swear they saw the same in New York under Giuliani. " quote from a guy in Barranquilla.
I drove to Barranquilla in 1972 from Toledo Ohio in a VW Van. Barranquilla is a port city and one of the capitals of crime in S. America. We had something stolen from our van while encircled and keeping the thieves at bay. Even so they stole something and we chased them into the barrios and they lost us. I believe anything is capable in Barranquilla including “feeding mental ill and vagrants” to “sharks” in the bay. In 1972 it only cost $20 to hire someone for murder. A baby could be stolen for less. That was when cocaine was just taking off for export to the US. I can not imagine it has gotten any better. I have to believe this story and then I have to consider that New York City imported Barranquilla’s policy of “ethnic cleansing” that Giuliani carried out during his regime. Giuliani has no soul. He sold it to the GOP and for $$$ $$$ $$$. Even his family despises him. The rumors of Giuliani Gestapo tactics dumping NYC vagrants and homeless into the rivers around NY seems a commonly acceptable practice for a Mafioso Italian-American hypocrite like Giuliani. The Internet should not let this one die. Pass on the quote from the guy in Barranquilla. I edited it. The original follows my edit. Pass it on and have feedback sent back to Alternet. Anyone else out there with stories of Giuliani’s river detention policy dumping American citizens and aliens into New York rivers?
"When a friend of mine did explain to me the origin of distant
cries and pleadings; that it was the secret police throwing
to the sharks the mental ill, the vagrants etc in Barranquilla
Colombia, I did not believe it until I saw it with my own eyes
risking my neck in the process.
Do not believe me, but friends swear they saw the same in New York under Giuliani. " quote from a guy in Barranquilla.
IM
Belteshazzar
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» RE: Tell Giulian that Humans are not live bait for sharks. Pass it on!
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» RE: Tell Giulian that Humans are not live bait for sharks. Pass it on!
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Posted by: Trazom on Aug 1, 2007 8:23 AM
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No matter how you feel about the guy, this alone should prove his incompetence. Igoring the advice of virtually all experts and doing what you want to do, simply because you feel it is right and you have the power to do so? Now who on earth would do something like that? Nobody I know.
Furthermore, by not working to improve the radio-controlled communications between the police and fire departments after the 1993 bombing he demonstrated he is either out to lunch or ignorant of real problems. Where he should be put on trial for homicidal negligence, he is instead being heralded as New York's savior and is the front-runner in the Republican race to the White House. Ahh, what a country we have.
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Posted by: Nick on Aug 1, 2007 8:29 AM
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» Yeah, with Guliani beating out Hillary,
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Posted by: Conservasaurus on Aug 1, 2007 8:57 AM
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Second the point that the fireman were waiting for orders goes against every account I've ever read on the subject. Considering the chaos that ensured after the attacks, it's amazing that the death toll wasn't higher - to discount the efforts made by the first responders is typical liberal press!
Overall, I think Rudy did a great job of bringing together a city after a major attack like no one else could have done.. Rudy's leadership skills were evident and tested..and together with his vast experience running a major government organization he brings skills that NO DEM can match!
Hopefully, his moderate views appeal to a broad base and bring back many of the moderates fed up with Bush. It would be nice to see a different party altogether in the white house but those chances are slim.
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» RE: udy - Leadership - Leadership
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» RE: udy - Leadership - Leadership
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» Here's a link
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» Oh, and let's not forget..
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» Wet for Wiener
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» More of the same BS from worm-tongue-o-saurus
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» RE: udy - Leadership - Leadership
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Posted by: CJC on Aug 1, 2007 8:58 AM
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The firefighters of NYC hate him for his incompetence and indifference that led to the deaths of hundreds on 9/11/01.
The utterly corrupt Bernie Kerik was his police commissioner and then he recommended him to the Bush administration to head Homeland Security.
And here's a recent but little publicized fact. Giuliani was appointed to the Iraq Study Group but then was formally dropped as a no show because he kept missing meetings. He was out on the road making tens of thousands of dollars per shot as a speaker. This is a recommendation for his resoluteness and public service?????
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» Hardly trouble
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Posted by: fanny666 on Aug 1, 2007 9:17 AM
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Firefighters Union Letter Blasts Rudy Giuliani
It's Giuliani Time: the Mussolini of Manhattan The year before Giuliani took office, 720 people were arrested for misdemeanor marijuana-related offenses; by 2000, the number had jumped to 59,495--an increase of 4,549 percent.
Giuliani's priorities
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» BUT THE ZIONIST ISREALI'S LOVE HIM AND HILLARY!
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Posted by: Russ Wellen on Aug 1, 2007 10:53 AM
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I'm 15 pages from finishing this myth-destroying book. Giuliani's complete lack of interest in learning from the '93 WTC bombing (which happened under the previous mayor, Dinkins) almost surpasses Bush & Co.'s complete lack of interest in Al-Qaeda before 9/11.
Most people don't know it, but that attack was one of the largest non-nuclear bombings in the history of the world.
Also, I never knew Giuliani was so much at the mercy of public opinion, nor that he was so reluctant to stand up to the police department.
In the end, he comes off as not only ego-ridden and incompetent, but cowardly.
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Posted by: HughScott on Aug 1, 2007 11:12 AM
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Mr. Mayor deserves the greatest respect for his leadership on 9/11. The fact that he put York City’s disaster response command post in one of the Twin Tower buildings, even though it had been bombed by Al Qaeda before, shows Rudy wanted his men close to the action. Okay, maybe a little too close, but he had good intentions.
Given more time, I could provide numerous examples of why Giuliani should be our next president, but none come to mind right now. I’m still pissed about my favorite baseball team losing to the Giants last night at Dodger Stadium, especially when I spent a hundred bucks taking my wife and grandson to the game. The good part was, Barry failed to hit a home run again. I figure the juice is wearing off.
Back to Rudy.
More seriously, since the first part of this comment was tongue-in-cheek, there is no way he should ever be commander-in-chief. As proof, consider what the Big Apple Drag Queen has done for America the past six years. Nothing except pay more income taxes on all the money he’s made exploiting his phony “Mr. 9/11” reputation.
Hugh E. Scott, Vietnam vet and editor of King-George.biz -- the only website with hardcopy proof of White House corruption.
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» and Rudy was a Yankee fan when the Dodgers were still in Brooklyn
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Posted by: WitchyNy on Aug 1, 2007 11:47 AM
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They all work for the same rich bastards-
same as Bush.
The voting machines are rigged anyway. Forget voting-it is time for Revolution.
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Posted by: ReallyBearish on Aug 1, 2007 11:56 AM
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By the way, squeegy men would "key" your car if you didn't tip them. Pan handlers and others did threaten people. These folks weren't "harmless".
Getting rid of this level of crime made the city more livable and the city was better off without these characters. Stop refering to this as "Fascist". Driving the middle class out of town in favor of the "down trodden" is not a good way to govern.
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» ". . .did threaten people. These folks weren't 'harmless'."
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Posted by: eosrk on Aug 1, 2007 12:00 PM
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Remember- he just flipped over to gay rights, abortion, and gun control so that if he was to get that seat.......by chance of default ( see; BushCheney), he'll just 'flop' back over to his real self!
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BushCo. Not only more of the same, but monumentally more
evil than we can imagine.
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» RE: BENITO GIULIANI or worse
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» Giuliani to Run for President of 9-11
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Posted by: karma_ran_over_dogma on Aug 1, 2007 2:16 PM
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And ferrets!
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Posted by: may261989 on Aug 1, 2007 4:01 PM
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I can't wait to see Rudy win the Repug nomination. Boy its gonna be great seeing how the Bible belt attempts to energise the masses into voting for a multi divorced New Yorker. I imagine many a reichwinger will be voting for their man through gritted teeth come election day.
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Posted by: opeluboy on Aug 1, 2007 4:34 PM
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For those who may be in comas, only recently Podhoretz advocated an immediate bombing of Iran — to save Israel any further problems from the latest reincarnation of Hitler.
Of course Rudy would be delighted to do this. Now if he would only drop those pesky last three sylables from his name, he would be assured of the Presidency.
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» oooh - how witty!
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Posted by: Hal on Aug 1, 2007 5:47 PM
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Why?
Every bit of his bogus fame and political clout was handed to him by the criminal power elite behind a clear and present 911 COVER-UP and its “war on terror” blood money sham. The power elite of a de facto Corporate Monopoly State (a.k.a. Corporate Psyop State – a.k.a. Organized Corporate Crime State)
The Fascist Organized Corporate Crime State that rules stooge Washington and its “Mockingbird” brothel of an MSM will have to work overtime to make Rudy smell and look like the hero of 911 he pretends to be. And they will have to keep telling yet bigger lies to trade in for their old ones.
In the process, maybe (just maybe) a majority of Americans will wake up to the Fascist fraud Amerika Corp has become.
Since the U.S. was taken over by a giant private Ponzi scheme better known as the “Federal Reserve” Corporation, corporate multinational oligarchs control:
1] the economy
2] the government
3] the “Mockingbird” media (a.k.a. MSM)
4] “education”
Yes, the parasite “ruling class” Einstein named has made its latest power grab for hearts and minds of the good little sheep.
Sad to say, the sheep were already on the plantation.
“The ruling class has the schools and press under its thumb. This enables it to sway the emotions of the masses.”
DOCTOR ALBERT EINSTEIN (Nobel Laureate and refugee from Nazi fascism. 1879-1955)
“The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the larger centers has owned the government ever since the days of Andrew Jackson.”
PRESIDENT FRANKLIN D. ROOSEVELT (on oligarch rule in a letter to handler “Colonel” Edward M. House, confidence man for the cartel and founder of the Council on Foreign Relations. House also handled President Wilson in the foisting of a private and unconstitutional “Federal Reserve” Corporation sham with its IRS in 1913. FDR speaks of monopolists at cartel centers of New York & London that own the U.S. Government. November 21st, l933)
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ronpaul2008.com
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» THE GOOD CHOICE
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Posted by: SteveInNZ on Aug 1, 2007 6:52 PM
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Otherwise the article is fine.
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» RE: Stop with the 911 fairly tale already
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» AND HIS OWN KIDS HATE HIM!
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Posted by: drricklippin on Aug 1, 2007 8:31 PM
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Rudy G is indeed a war-mongering liar and psychopath
But "W" and cronies have so brought this formally great nation to almost complete collapse that I cannot possibly imagine the DEMS blowing it again?
The critical question is who will be the DEM nominee?
I am hoplessly waiting for NEO-GORE to make his move?
Gore has the capacity to restore some level of respectability and self esteem to our once great nation.
Dr. Rick Lippin
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» How do you know the election won't be stolen again
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» THE 2000 & 2004 ELECTIONS WERE STOLEN!
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Posted by: lc on Aug 2, 2007 6:24 AM
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You have obviously never been arrested and spent time in jail or prison so of course you do not believe NYC would dump unwanted humans into the rivers. You all are addressing 911 as a giant conspiracy implicating Giuliani at the highest levels which means mass murder but you don't think Giuliani’s police force would otherwise kill innocents. What kind of conspiracy theorists are you to jump on only one band wagon?
Why the crack pipe comment? Maybe I was drunk and smoking tobacco. Does that make me more or less in tune? And what is your drug of choice that makes you so smart about things but anyone you don't agree with you completely dismiss with such a dumb ass dismissal. Have you ever traveled to a third world country where they do kill humans with such inhuman compassion? Sri Lanka is now trying to account for hundreds of "disappeared ones" as did Argentina back in the 70 when the government "disappeared" tens of thousands. I was in Argentina and met people who had lost friends and relatives. At that time only the friends were talking and nobody else believed such atrocities could be committed by a democratic government such as Argentina. The US of A is no different. Police brutality stories abound. The police are corrupt and fully capable of doing the most terrible things. In a police department the size of NYC there are all kinds of goon cops who have no problem throwing people to sharks. Get real and stop smoking crack yourself if you think 911 is a conspiracy but NYC shark feeding is all just blowing crack smoke. Many humans disappeared from the streets of NYC under Giuliani’s policing program. Everybody just assumes they left town or something. Nobody knows what happened to all those people. They just “disappeared” didn’t they? This is America so they just walked away to some new city where they are welcome. NYC just threw them out and they left. Right! And 911 was caused by Iraq.
IM
Belteshazzar
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» Time to Clean Out Your Bong
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» RE: "They" are blowing smoke in your face and you can not see the truth.
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Posted by: moontime on Aug 2, 2007 12:55 PM
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1) His father is an admitted mob capo, this was in mainstream news
2)His law firm represents cintra, a spanish company that is buying up roads in the US and charging tolls for PROFIT
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Posted by: lc on Aug 3, 2007 7:18 AM
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Like the other commentator to you who mentioned so many other US programs to kill us, this has been going on for a long time and you are still waving your flag thinking the “free” press would have known about this. Instead of getting in at the beginning you chose to dismiss it because you are so incompetent to do anything about it that you expect others must have done something because this is just too horrible to not hear about. How naïve of you! Go smoke some crack or pot or anything that might jog your consciousness out of the denial and patriotism it is stuck in now.
IM
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Posted by: Iconoclast421 on Aug 3, 2007 12:28 PM
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The reason he has so much support is because he might win if there is a(nother) terrist attack.
Gotta win that war on 'terra' (terra = earth? It all makes sense now.)
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Posted by: Jest2007 on Aug 4, 2007 6:13 AM
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Posted by: fortruth on Aug 5, 2007 3:08 PM
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Are you aware of the fact that WTC 7 fell neatly into a pile at near-freefall speed. If it fell from the explosion of a fuel tank, there could possibly have been some type of collapse, but not a symmetrical one where in the videos you can see the crimp that takes out the core collumns first. The firefighters were warning everyone to move away from the building because they were told it was going to collapse. There were very limited and small fires in the building, which alone do not bring down steel-framed skyscrapers. Key point: all three WTC buildings (1, 2, &7) fell at near-freefall speed, two were hit by planes, one suffered very minor damage comparatively. Common factor? All owned by Larry Silverstein who on PBS admitted he gave the instruction to "pull" the building, which is a construction term for "demolish".
Let's get the facts straight.
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Posted by: sbrown13 on Aug 6, 2007 9:38 AM
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The fact is that the Democrats -- the entire left -- more happily spend their time, money, and energy on destroying one another (Democrats destroyed Carter's presidency because he was not a member of the Washington club, as they destroyed Dean's candidacy for the same reason) -- than those whom they are supposedly running against.
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Posted by: ericthefool on Aug 1, 2007 12:55 AM
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I'm stumped...and while all you people playing the bipartisan bs like who's cleavage is bigger, or who's hair is prettier, or who's poo don't stink the worst....this country is being sold down the river by trash we call Government.
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» RE: Selling false hope like some new dope we're addicted to...
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Posted by: orion0s on Aug 1, 2007 1:32 AM
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cries and pleading,that it was the secret police throwing
to the sharks the mental ill,the vagrants etc in Barranquilla
Colombia I did not believe untill I saw it with my eyes
risking the neck in the proccess.
Do not believe me.but friends swear they saw the same in New
York under Gulliani.
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Aug 1, 2007 3:22 AM
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One thing is for certain: The next year and a half will be a political junkie's dream.
Tom Degan
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» Trudy for pez
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» how can anyone with a modicum of intelligence like Rudy?
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» Same Old Retread & Phony "Conservative" Taking Points...
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» No, it's true:
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» RE: udy For President!!!
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» Future debate headline:
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» RE: udy For President!!!
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» RE: udy For President!!!
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» New Yorkers Know Rudy ...
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» "Think of what he could do for this country..."
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» And worked to clean up the streets...
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» RE: And worked to clean up the streets...
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» dino I thought you worked for the rethug party. Did rudy hire you now?
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» INCORRECT.
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» RE: New Yorkers Know Rudy ...
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» RE: New Yorkers Know Rudy ...
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» Rudy is a crossdresser and that is why he is too busy to lead....
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» Defeatism....
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» RE: Defeatism....
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» RE: Defeatism....
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» RE: Defeatism....
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» RE: Defeatism....
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» catdad,thats the pot calling the kettle black. Your posts are almost always pessimistic
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» I'll Be a "Stepford Democrat"
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» who is better: Hitler or Stalin? Pol Pot or Mao? Those aren't choices. We need to rid ourselves
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» Thucy, you rock. albrechtstrause and conservasaurus both are hacks for the rethugs.
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» The world is not black&white despite what conservatives, and progressives, tell. Democrat/Republican
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» Giuliani's fingerprints are all over building 7's "collapse."
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» What caused the explosion in WTC7? BEFORE the towers collapsed?
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» 9-11 "Truth Movment" - A "Controlled Demolition" of the Left
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» 9-11 "Truth Movment" - A "Demolition" of the Controlled Left
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» Riiiiight
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» moon landing? what moon?
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» RE: Building 7 was a controlled demolition!
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» but... but.. Jon Wiener says that Kevin Baker said...
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» Guiliani=Crnl. Klink
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» RE: Adolf Guiliani
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» Search for the video on you tube
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» What you are saying is identical to what they are doing to the democratic race...
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» Nice Revisionist History WitchNy
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» You know, I agree with you
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Posted by: LMNOP on Aug 1, 2007 6:05 AM
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What monster have those monsters concocted for us this time?
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» And what in hell is wrong with the American public
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» what's your beef?
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» Now those are some truly frightening thoughts!
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» RE: . Mr W was obeying the orders he was now receiving (Mr C was giving them)
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Posted by: Maggieb on Aug 1, 2007 7:09 AM
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Posted by: Democritus on Aug 1, 2007 7:19 AM
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Michael Moore's "Sicko" shows how Hillary veered to the right after she failed in her bid to reform health care. If she gets elected, you can kiss a single-payer health care plan goodbye, and you can say "hello" to increased privatization of whatever remains of our third-world health care system. If Giuliani were to get elected we would get even worse--perhaps another invasion to benefit "big oil."
Why are our journalists and pundits concerned with how much money Hillary, Rudy, or Barack are raising--or how much Edwards pays for his haircuts? Why aren't they publicizing the Conyers-Kucinich health care bill (HR 676) that would put everyone under Medicare? It's hard not to be cynical in seeing our media and our "pundits" as part of the same, corrupt political process that will offer us the choice of Clinton or Giuliani in 2008. Now that's what's really meant by a "Hobson's choice."
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Posted by: lamar on Aug 1, 2007 7:27 AM
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Bringing in Disney and arresting everybody. Is that what we want in the White House? Perhaps NYC needed an enema, and Rudy was just the cocky asshole to do it. Rudy wants a police state, and his NYC record is exhibit one of that fact.
I can't stand it when GOPers cite his success in NYC as a reason to make him president. Are we going to make America better by arresting everybody? It isn't that Rudy has some positives and negatives. The problem I have is that Rudy's positives are his biggest negatives.
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Posted by: WhuThe?!? on Aug 1, 2007 7:56 AM
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They could have never pulled it off without his assistance!
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Posted by: po cracka on Aug 1, 2007 8:14 AM
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Nothing about it in the 9/11 Commision report. WTC7 came straight down, no 7th floor explosions on any of the ample video available. Sound like Wiener believes the Mickey Mouse mainstream version on the 9/11 incident, even padding it out for them.
Sure, Rudy is wicked. But Wiener was too easy on him. Nothing new or insightful in this writing by Wiener. This was a fluff/ filler article.
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» not according to anyone, no, so why does Wiener say it as if it were true?
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Posted by: lc on Aug 1, 2007 8:17 AM
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"When a friend of mine did explain to me the origin of distant
cries and pleadings; that it was the secret police throwing
to the sharks the mental ill, the vagrants etc in Barranquilla
Colombia, I did not believe it until I saw it with my own eyes
risking my neck in the process.
Do not believe me, but friends swear they saw the same in New York under Giuliani. " quote from a guy in Barranquilla.
I drove to Barranquilla in 1972 from Toledo Ohio in a VW Van. Barranquilla is a port city and one of the capitals of crime in S. America. We had something stolen from our van while encircled and keeping the thieves at bay. Even so they stole something and we chased them into the barrios and they lost us. I believe anything is capable in Barranquilla including “feeding mental ill and vagrants” to “sharks” in the bay. In 1972 it only cost $20 to hire someone for murder. A baby could be stolen for less. That was when cocaine was just taking off for export to the US. I can not imagine it has gotten any better. I have to believe this story and then I have to consider that New York City imported Barranquilla’s policy of “ethnic cleansing” that Giuliani carried out during his regime. Giuliani has no soul. He sold it to the GOP and for $$$ $$$ $$$. Even his family despises him. The rumors of Giuliani Gestapo tactics dumping NYC vagrants and homeless into the rivers around NY seems a commonly acceptable practice for a Mafioso Italian-American hypocrite like Giuliani. The Internet should not let this one die. Pass on the quote from the guy in Barranquilla. I edited it. The original follows my edit. Pass it on and have feedback sent back to Alternet. Anyone else out there with stories of Giuliani’s river detention policy dumping American citizens and aliens into New York rivers?
"When a friend of mine did explain to me the origin of distant
cries and pleadings; that it was the secret police throwing
to the sharks the mental ill, the vagrants etc in Barranquilla
Colombia, I did not believe it until I saw it with my own eyes
risking my neck in the process.
Do not believe me, but friends swear they saw the same in New York under Giuliani. " quote from a guy in Barranquilla.
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Posted by: Trazom on Aug 1, 2007 8:23 AM
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No matter how you feel about the guy, this alone should prove his incompetence. Igoring the advice of virtually all experts and doing what you want to do, simply because you feel it is right and you have the power to do so? Now who on earth would do something like that? Nobody I know.
Furthermore, by not working to improve the radio-controlled communications between the police and fire departments after the 1993 bombing he demonstrated he is either out to lunch or ignorant of real problems. Where he should be put on trial for homicidal negligence, he is instead being heralded as New York's savior and is the front-runner in the Republican race to the White House. Ahh, what a country we have.
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Posted by: Conservasaurus on Aug 1, 2007 8:57 AM
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Second the point that the fireman were waiting for orders goes against every account I've ever read on the subject. Considering the chaos that ensured after the attacks, it's amazing that the death toll wasn't higher - to discount the efforts made by the first responders is typical liberal press!
Overall, I think Rudy did a great job of bringing together a city after a major attack like no one else could have done.. Rudy's leadership skills were evident and tested..and together with his vast experience running a major government organization he brings skills that NO DEM can match!
Hopefully, his moderate views appeal to a broad base and bring back many of the moderates fed up with Bush. It would be nice to see a different party altogether in the white house but those chances are slim.
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Posted by: CJC on Aug 1, 2007 8:58 AM
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The firefighters of NYC hate him for his incompetence and indifference that led to the deaths of hundreds on 9/11/01.
The utterly corrupt Bernie Kerik was his police commissioner and then he recommended him to the Bush administration to head Homeland Security.
And here's a recent but little publicized fact. Giuliani was appointed to the Iraq Study Group but then was formally dropped as a no show because he kept missing meetings. He was out on the road making tens of thousands of dollars per shot as a speaker. This is a recommendation for his resoluteness and public service?????
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Posted by: fanny666 on Aug 1, 2007 9:17 AM
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Firefighters Union Letter Blasts Rudy Giuliani
It's Giuliani Time: the Mussolini of Manhattan The year before Giuliani took office, 720 people were arrested for misdemeanor marijuana-related offenses; by 2000, the number had jumped to 59,495--an increase of 4,549 percent.
Giuliani's priorities
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Posted by: Russ Wellen on Aug 1, 2007 10:53 AM
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I'm 15 pages from finishing this myth-destroying book. Giuliani's complete lack of interest in learning from the '93 WTC bombing (which happened under the previous mayor, Dinkins) almost surpasses Bush & Co.'s complete lack of interest in Al-Qaeda before 9/11.
Most people don't know it, but that attack was one of the largest non-nuclear bombings in the history of the world.
Also, I never knew Giuliani was so much at the mercy of public opinion, nor that he was so reluctant to stand up to the police department.
In the end, he comes off as not only ego-ridden and incompetent, but cowardly.
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Posted by: HughScott on Aug 1, 2007 11:12 AM
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Mr. Mayor deserves the greatest respect for his leadership on 9/11. The fact that he put York City’s disaster response command post in one of the Twin Tower buildings, even though it had been bombed by Al Qaeda before, shows Rudy wanted his men close to the action. Okay, maybe a little too close, but he had good intentions.
Given more time, I could provide numerous examples of why Giuliani should be our next president, but none come to mind right now. I’m still pissed about my favorite baseball team losing to the Giants last night at Dodger Stadium, especially when I spent a hundred bucks taking my wife and grandson to the game. The good part was, Barry failed to hit a home run again. I figure the juice is wearing off.
Back to Rudy.
More seriously, since the first part of this comment was tongue-in-cheek, there is no way he should ever be commander-in-chief. As proof, consider what the Big Apple Drag Queen has done for America the past six years. Nothing except pay more income taxes on all the money he’s made exploiting his phony “Mr. 9/11” reputation.
Hugh E. Scott, Vietnam vet and editor of King-George.biz -- the only website with hardcopy proof of White House corruption.
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Posted by: WitchyNy on Aug 1, 2007 11:47 AM
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They all work for the same rich bastards-
same as Bush.
The voting machines are rigged anyway. Forget voting-it is time for Revolution.
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Posted by: ReallyBearish on Aug 1, 2007 11:56 AM
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By the way, squeegy men would "key" your car if you didn't tip them. Pan handlers and others did threaten people. These folks weren't "harmless".
Getting rid of this level of crime made the city more livable and the city was better off without these characters. Stop refering to this as "Fascist". Driving the middle class out of town in favor of the "down trodden" is not a good way to govern.
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Posted by: eosrk on Aug 1, 2007 12:00 PM
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Remember- he just flipped over to gay rights, abortion, and gun control so that if he was to get that seat.......by chance of default ( see; BushCheney), he'll just 'flop' back over to his real self!
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BushCo. Not only more of the same, but monumentally more
evil than we can imagine.
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Posted by: karma_ran_over_dogma on Aug 1, 2007 2:16 PM
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And ferrets!
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Posted by: may261989 on Aug 1, 2007 4:01 PM
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I can't wait to see Rudy win the Repug nomination. Boy its gonna be great seeing how the Bible belt attempts to energise the masses into voting for a multi divorced New Yorker. I imagine many a reichwinger will be voting for their man through gritted teeth come election day.
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For those who may be in comas, only recently Podhoretz advocated an immediate bombing of Iran — to save Israel any further problems from the latest reincarnation of Hitler.
Of course Rudy would be delighted to do this. Now if he would only drop those pesky last three sylables from his name, he would be assured of the Presidency.
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Posted by: Hal on Aug 1, 2007 5:47 PM
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Why?
Every bit of his bogus fame and political clout was handed to him by the criminal power elite behind a clear and present 911 COVER-UP and its “war on terror” blood money sham. The power elite of a de facto Corporate Monopoly State (a.k.a. Corporate Psyop State – a.k.a. Organized Corporate Crime State)
The Fascist Organized Corporate Crime State that rules stooge Washington and its “Mockingbird” brothel of an MSM will have to work overtime to make Rudy smell and look like the hero of 911 he pretends to be. And they will have to keep telling yet bigger lies to trade in for their old ones.
In the process, maybe (just maybe) a majority of Americans will wake up to the Fascist fraud Amerika Corp has become.
Since the U.S. was taken over by a giant private Ponzi scheme better known as the “Federal Reserve” Corporation, corporate multinational oligarchs control:
1] the economy
2] the government
3] the “Mockingbird” media (a.k.a. MSM)
4] “education”
Yes, the parasite “ruling class” Einstein named has made its latest power grab for hearts and minds of the good little sheep.
Sad to say, the sheep were already on the plantation.
“The ruling class has the schools and press under its thumb. This enables it to sway the emotions of the masses.”
DOCTOR ALBERT EINSTEIN (Nobel Laureate and refugee from Nazi fascism. 1879-1955)
“The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the larger centers has owned the government ever since the days of Andrew Jackson.”
PRESIDENT FRANKLIN D. ROOSEVELT (on oligarch rule in a letter to handler “Colonel” Edward M. House, confidence man for the cartel and founder of the Council on Foreign Relations. House also handled President Wilson in the foisting of a private and unconstitutional “Federal Reserve” Corporation sham with its IRS in 1913. FDR speaks of monopolists at cartel centers of New York & London that own the U.S. Government. November 21st, l933)
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ronpaul2008.com
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Otherwise the article is fine.
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Posted by: drricklippin on Aug 1, 2007 8:31 PM
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Rudy G is indeed a war-mongering liar and psychopath
But "W" and cronies have so brought this formally great nation to almost complete collapse that I cannot possibly imagine the DEMS blowing it again?
The critical question is who will be the DEM nominee?
I am hoplessly waiting for NEO-GORE to make his move?
Gore has the capacity to restore some level of respectability and self esteem to our once great nation.
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» THE 2000 & 2004 ELECTIONS WERE STOLEN!
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Posted by: lc on Aug 2, 2007 6:24 AM
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You have obviously never been arrested and spent time in jail or prison so of course you do not believe NYC would dump unwanted humans into the rivers. You all are addressing 911 as a giant conspiracy implicating Giuliani at the highest levels which means mass murder but you don't think Giuliani’s police force would otherwise kill innocents. What kind of conspiracy theorists are you to jump on only one band wagon?
Why the crack pipe comment? Maybe I was drunk and smoking tobacco. Does that make me more or less in tune? And what is your drug of choice that makes you so smart about things but anyone you don't agree with you completely dismiss with such a dumb ass dismissal. Have you ever traveled to a third world country where they do kill humans with such inhuman compassion? Sri Lanka is now trying to account for hundreds of "disappeared ones" as did Argentina back in the 70 when the government "disappeared" tens of thousands. I was in Argentina and met people who had lost friends and relatives. At that time only the friends were talking and nobody else believed such atrocities could be committed by a democratic government such as Argentina. The US of A is no different. Police brutality stories abound. The police are corrupt and fully capable of doing the most terrible things. In a police department the size of NYC there are all kinds of goon cops who have no problem throwing people to sharks. Get real and stop smoking crack yourself if you think 911 is a conspiracy but NYC shark feeding is all just blowing crack smoke. Many humans disappeared from the streets of NYC under Giuliani’s policing program. Everybody just assumes they left town or something. Nobody knows what happened to all those people. They just “disappeared” didn’t they? This is America so they just walked away to some new city where they are welcome. NYC just threw them out and they left. Right! And 911 was caused by Iraq.
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Posted by: moontime on Aug 2, 2007 12:55 PM
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1) His father is an admitted mob capo, this was in mainstream news
2)His law firm represents cintra, a spanish company that is buying up roads in the US and charging tolls for PROFIT
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Posted by: lc on Aug 3, 2007 7:18 AM
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Like the other commentator to you who mentioned so many other US programs to kill us, this has been going on for a long time and you are still waving your flag thinking the “free” press would have known about this. Instead of getting in at the beginning you chose to dismiss it because you are so incompetent to do anything about it that you expect others must have done something because this is just too horrible to not hear about. How naïve of you! Go smoke some crack or pot or anything that might jog your consciousness out of the denial and patriotism it is stuck in now.
IM
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Posted by: Iconoclast421 on Aug 3, 2007 12:28 PM
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The reason he has so much support is because he might win if there is a(nother) terrist attack.
Gotta win that war on 'terra' (terra = earth? It all makes sense now.)
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» RE: ON PAUL!?!??!? AS IF!!! OSAMA BIN LADEN has more chance of NaziGOP candidacy than Ron Paul!!
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Posted by: Jest2007 on Aug 4, 2007 6:13 AM
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Posted by: fortruth on Aug 5, 2007 3:08 PM
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Are you aware of the fact that WTC 7 fell neatly into a pile at near-freefall speed. If it fell from the explosion of a fuel tank, there could possibly have been some type of collapse, but not a symmetrical one where in the videos you can see the crimp that takes out the core collumns first. The firefighters were warning everyone to move away from the building because they were told it was going to collapse. There were very limited and small fires in the building, which alone do not bring down steel-framed skyscrapers. Key point: all three WTC buildings (1, 2, &7) fell at near-freefall speed, two were hit by planes, one suffered very minor damage comparatively. Common factor? All owned by Larry Silverstein who on PBS admitted he gave the instruction to "pull" the building, which is a construction term for "demolish".
Let's get the facts straight.
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Posted by: sbrown13 on Aug 6, 2007 9:38 AM
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The fact is that the Democrats -- the entire left -- more happily spend their time, money, and energy on destroying one another (Democrats destroyed Carter's presidency because he was not a member of the Washington club, as they destroyed Dean's candidacy for the same reason) -- than those whom they are supposedly running against.
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