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Frankenforests: GE Trees Threaten Ecosystem Collapse

By Dara Colwell, AlterNet. Posted August 2, 2007.


Across the U.S. and the world, the timber industry is driving research behind genetically engineered forests. But environmentalists worry that it will open an ecological Pandora's Box.
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In China, over a million poplar trees have been planted since 2002 to combat deforestation. But the move has not been widely applauded by everyone. The poplars, which are genetically engineered, are China's first foray into the world of transgenic forestry -- or "frankenforests" -- and other countries are not far behind.

As the biotech industry continues to lay the groundwork for genetically engineered crops -- poorly tested, widely debated and yet plugged as a technological wonder -- a potentially greater threat to biodiversity has begun to emerge. Pushed forward by biotech and the multibillion-dollar timber industry, genetically engineered trees are the latest invention.

"The industry has tried very hard to keep it quiet, or tout the technology as benign and beneficial to the environment," says Anne Petermann, co-founder of the Global Justice Ecology Project, a nonprofit established to advance global justice through ecological awareness. "The technology is moving forward very quickly, outpacing regulations. There are no controls in place to properly address or assess the risks -- which are major."

GE trees are planted in monoculture forests, which look more like plantations, and pose serious risks to the ecosystem. Trees live decades or centuries longer than plants, and their seeds can travel hundreds of miles, increasing the likelihood of gene contamination to wild species. The technology was created to optimize the manufacturing process, but environmentalists worry that it will open an ecological Pandora's Box and threaten the health of the forests we depend on for survival.

The world is a test lab

GE forestry research is already alarmingly prevalent across the globe. The United States leads the world in research projects, with 150 tree test plots -- two-thirds of the world's known research areas -- and they are joined by Australia, Brazil, Canada, Chile, China, Finland, France, Germany, Japan, New Zealand, Portugal, Spain, Sweden, the United Kingdom and the United States.

Despite the prevelance of the practice, GE forestry has remained somewhat obscured by GE crops, which have raised more immediate health concerns, as forestry "doesn't seem to affect the daily shopping trip -- or at least, less visibly," according to Larry Lohmann, a researcher with U.K.-based Corner House, a nonprofit that fights for social and environmental justice.

"But the problems transgenic trees pose are just as severe. Whether it's endangering wild species or pollen drift, the fact is we're in danger of setting off a chain of events that's irreversible. We don't know what we're messing with," he says.

From the perspective of the timber industry, driven by commercial pressure and deforestation to "build" its own resources, the case for GE trees is clear-cut. Uniform, faster-growing species produce more paper or lumber in a shorter period of time, driving down costs. Faster-growing trees also produce greater biomass, which can potentially be converted into a second-generation biofuel -- an important financial incentive in the current gold rush for agrofuels. Biomass furthermore acts as a carbon sink, sucking carbon dioxide emissions from the air, which the industry claims is an environmental plus, though native forests actually absorb more. The industry's outlook is simple: The technology poses minimal risk with maximum return.

"The industry is looking for a way to make more money, damn the consequences. What's driving this is not environmental concern, but mass production -- you can't say that's environmentally friendly," says Lohmann.

Concerns over the technology's long-term impact are serious. "The forests are already under tremendous pressure from climate change and human interaction," says Dr. Ricarda Steinbrecher, co-founder of the London-based nonprofit science watchdog Eco-Nexus. Steinbrecher, also co-author of "Hungry Corporations: Transnational Biotech Companies Colonize the Food Chain," has a Ph.D. in molecular genetics.

"Compared to crops that have been cultivated for thousands of years, trees are 'wild.' If a GE trait enters a forest species, the implications could be absolutely horrendous. We could see the ecological system weaken and collapse. Without the forests, we're sunk."

Steinbrecher's fears resonate deeply with environmentalists. Given genetic science's infancy, which has been plagued repeatedly by controversy, biotech -- with its thrust towards profit -- has continued to promote its art as a magic bullet solution. But there's always the risk of misfire. And now that trees have been loaded into the barrel, environmentalists, those involved in forestry, indigenous peoples and scientists have worked to raise the alarm.

"Forests are crucial to us," says Alexander Evans, research director at the Forest Guild, which promotes responsible forestry in America, noting how they are one of the most valuable and little-understood ecosystems in the world. "When it comes to GE, the potential risks are not well understood, so why go into it? We're not into the quick-return model -- there are too many hidden costs. There's simply no reason to take the risk."

The risks, in fact, are numerous. Genetically modified trees have been engineered to exhibit unnatural traits such as herbicide tolerance, insecticide production, reduced lignin content, the substance that makes trees strong but must be removed to make paper, and finally, sterility.


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China this...
Posted by: TT5 on Aug 2, 2007 1:15 AM   
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China that! Racism promoted in the disguise of "environmentalism"

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» RE: China this... Posted by: mandiwrite
» RE: Dippy Racism... Posted by: LeftCoastProgressive
» RE: Dippy Racism... Posted by: juanpecan81
» RE: totally agree joshua Posted by: channing
» RE: TT5 is a Racist Posted by: channing
» Don't you just love..... Posted by: mizipi
Keep our forests natural
Posted by: packofwolves on Aug 2, 2007 4:04 AM   
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If we continue to mess with the natural order of things, we will find, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that we have gone too far. I just don't understand why we would want to risk using genetically altered trees (or genetically altered anything) when there are natural products, such as hemp, that could be used instead, safely. Just goes to show you how irrational people get when it comes to making money...they would rather risk the health of our planet and life itself rather than use hemp because of marijuana...unbelievable. People will get what they deserve in the end, you can bet on that.

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» Hemp is the way! Kaneh bosm! Posted by: garry minor
» RE: Keep our forests natural Posted by: gracefounddog
» RE: Keep our forests natural Posted by: aonghus36
» RE: Keep our forests natural Posted by: Iconoclast421
test plots
Posted by: setterwoman on Aug 2, 2007 4:27 AM   
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I can't help wonder if that's what's going on in central Minnesota with hybrid poplars. If one looks at the various plots and how they are managed, it's pretty obvious that some sort of test is going on.

It's interesting that the deer stay out of these plots although that's probably because of the amount and types of pesticides that are used. They aren't environmentally friendly by any stretch of the imagination.

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» RE: Tree test plot myth Posted by: LeftCoastProgressive
We overestimate ourselves
Posted by: american on Aug 2, 2007 6:19 AM   
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In genetics, we have no idea what the hell we are doing.

To say that we do is unmitigated arrogance.

We know the structure and function of certain genes from cause and effect, but we don't know what occurs to motivate actions; we know them only as semi-static models. (Lie 1)

It's a seriously arrogant thing to say that "we know what is going on."

Lie 2: the interaction between altered genes and populations of the same, closely-related, or other species...

The complexity is un-encompassable. We don't know what will happen exept that someone may make a killing.

I mean that literally.

Anyone here know what several hundred million years of evolution represents? No, YOU DON'T. But I'll say this: that is precisely how long a species took to gain it's specialized niche in a harmonious working relationship with all of the plants and animals around us, including us.

And they say they've got it figured out in a few years. Whoa!

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Paradise Lost
Posted by: nmeyer on Aug 2, 2007 6:39 AM   
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Earth kaleidescope
made patterns with colored pieces.
Ever changing, ever new.
Random, enchanting prize.

What are those rogue pieces inside?

People pieces in control
taint every pattern with their science, values and popular trends.

Breeding more people!
Feeding more people!
Saving more people!
All compete with more people
until patterns are people, are all alike.

Around and around, it's all the same.
Variety's loast as people are gained.

Enchantment has fled
Kaleidescope's dead.

We're spinning rigormortis.

Neil Meyer
1984

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What exactly is bad about this?
Posted by: Tirjasdyn on Aug 2, 2007 7:35 AM   
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Besides saying it's bad can't they give us reasons why it's bad...

I'm not seeing a down side...

GE trees aren't new. Take navel oranges....every navel orange you eat is from a GE tree that is created from cuttings of the first navel orange tree. They are grafted to other "natural" and other ge orange trees...

This is an irrational fear that has no basis. It's been found that weeds make great fuel sources and they can be extremely renewable but people don't want fields of weeds next to them.

GE alarmists need to get some perspective. GE doesn't equal bad just because they say so. Come up with some real reasons.

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» RE: What exactly is bad about this? Posted by: albrechtkrausse
» You lost me at... Posted by: Habaro
All monocultures are less productive than diverse systems..
Posted by: wmGreybeard on Aug 2, 2007 7:53 AM   
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But; they are easier to harvest;.. therefore good for short term profits , which are good for greedy CEO's.

Even natural forest with only one predominate species of trees provide a poor environment for animal life. In the National forest south of the Grand canyon, where I have camped many times, there are almost exclusively the beautiful Ponderosa pine. While hiking there, I found no small mammals, very few song birds or insects. The only other trees I found there were Gambel oaks, in scattered areas of volcanic rocks.

"So far, engineering persistent sterility has been impossible. But its success would be worse, creating sterile trees that would produce no seeds, pollen, fruit or flowers, sources of food for thousands of species of birds, insects and animals. Instead, sterile trees would comprise forests akin to silent green desserts, devoid of life."

The web of life needs diversity.--- Humans have already destroyed toooo much of that diversity!!!

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The real issue here
Posted by: ReallyBearish on Aug 2, 2007 8:21 AM   
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Is overpopulation. Monoculture, global warming, etc. are simply symptoms of the real problem. Monoculture is potentially deadly (ask the Irish about the potato famine in the mid 19th century). But the force driving it is too many people trying to squeeze too much out of the land.

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» RE: The real issue here Posted by: Shey
beyond scarey
Posted by: pleaseplanttrees on Aug 2, 2007 9:38 AM   
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It is not enough to be absudly rich these massively irresponsible people ruining and mismanaging the worlds resourses have to be insanely rich. When are the people of this country going to stand up and say enough is enough greed is a mental illness the most severe and dangerous mental illness. Time the dick cheney's and bush's of the world are strapped to a bed where they belong not endangering the safety of the rest of the planet with their massive lack of an enviromental conscience.

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We should be cautious
Posted by: Ambrose Pare on Aug 2, 2007 9:59 AM   
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Its a little pre-mature to be releasing these man made species into the environment.

While there may be no obvious immediate risks, such as a fatal impact on humans, the long term impact on such a complex system is unknown.

I think the risks outweight the benefits at this point in time.

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Religionism. Pure. Utter. Unadulterated. Religionism.
Posted by: ABetterFuture on Aug 2, 2007 10:07 AM   
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Steinbrecher's fears resonate deeply with environmentalists. Given genetic science's infancy, which has been plagued repeatedly by controversy, biotech -- with its thrust towards profit -- has continued to promote its art as a magic bullet solution. But there's always the risk of misfire. And now that trees have been loaded into the barrel, environmentalists, those involved in forestry, indigenous peoples and scientists have worked to raise the alarm.

Well, that was a fairly convincing sermon directed at the choir, but not-so-clever metaphors fail to make a convincing case for taking up the torch and burning a few witches among reasonable people, in my experience.

Reductions in biodiversity are alarming, but the loss of biodiversity is a product of human agriculture as a whole--the fault of that pesky eating habit among our species. It should, therefore, be addressed as a whole and not piecemealing the loss of diversity into whether it's better or worse for a commerical species to be sinfully frankenized, voodoo'd, or traditionally engineered when clearing vast swaths of land to produce a single crop. After all, you know what sorts of outbred plants easily return to take up residence on exhausted farmland? Yeah, me neither.

But good grief people, c'mon:

...promote its art as a magic bullet solution. But there's always the risk of misfire. And now that trees have been loaded...

Such a flowery verse; it was worth review. I suggest like-minded folks to politely ask the next sixth grader they encounter to help them talk and think about genetic science in something other than the most abstract vernacular they can conjure from their personal wee pulpits.

tagged under: Roswell, "franken_____", Medieval prose.

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» Context. Posted by: ABetterFuture
The war is on Hemp, not on Marijuana (because Hemp could free us from our dependency on trees, oil)
Posted by: gracefounddog on Aug 2, 2007 10:42 AM   
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Hemp is power to the people, and every effort will be made to keep that from happening. It's to the point where the corporations have no choice but to do harm to the planet and to us, in order to "survive" and grow that insatiable bottom line that, to them, is more important than life itself.

These corporate "persons" need to be stopped. They are taking over our entire world - as we the people support them in doing so with the fruit of our labor. We feed the sociopaths, these corporate "persons," and they give us poison in return - with just enough "essential" stuff to keep us dependent. The only way to stop them is to starve them, and this we COULD do with Hemp. This is what their war on drugs is really all about.

There is no war on drugs. These sociopaths could care less if the people are dumbed down and complacent on drugs, whether legal or not. They want us weak and powerless, because that keeps us dependent on them. The only chance we the people have against the corporate persons who, like evil abusive parents poison us while telling us we need them, is to destroy them. We the people must send this beast; this great deranged parasite to hell where it belongs. Until this happens we don't stand a chance of leaving this planet inhabitable for our grandchildren's children.

Vote in a president who will allow the people the power of hemp. It's the one thing that could really save us. We need to end our dependency on the sociopaths in power, and hemp is the most viable way to do this.

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Tree DNA ownership
Posted by: sarahk on Aug 2, 2007 11:12 AM   
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If a GE company has created a DNA that starts showing up in trees on someone else's property, do they then have claim to the tree? If they own the DNA, then it seems that they could make a claim to those trees.
I remember reading about a farmer in Canada whose crop was contaminated by a near-by GE farm. The GE company--I think it was Monsanto--sued him for using their private technology, and they won. The farmer said that his seed crop had been carefully cultivated by him and his father before him. That was a 2 generation-old seed, perfectly suited for it's environment, just mutilated.

Farmers in Africa are particulary concerned about the sterile seeds that are coming into their countries from the US as food aid and seed crop. Although many are poor and illiterate, they have a lot of knowledge about plant life. Many have cultivated seeds that have passed down generations from father to son. These heirloom seeds are perfectly suited to their environment and farmers are rightly concerned about the GE seeds contaminating their family treaure. But as the choice for many African countries is to let people starve or to accept GE seeds and grains from the US, they accept the "gifts" from us.

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» Insightful comment. Posted by: ABetterFuture
» Thanks for the info Posted by: sarahk
» RE: The Future of Food Posted by: parmenicleitus
When will we ever learn -- technofixes are no substitute for...
Posted by: Pat Kittle on Aug 2, 2007 12:48 PM   
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ecologically-based birth control.

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Corporatized ETHICS...
Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Aug 2, 2007 1:04 PM   
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India to plant trees, launch climate change strategy">India to Plant Trees for Climate Strategy: Corporations making agreements to plant FrankenTrees in Northern Québec
"You Can't Make Me": defining culture on the DownSide of PeakOil...

Now, why is it you think, that Canada exercises no authority to prevent this sort of 'testing' & sickening forestry response to their responsibility to re-forest clearcutting... (gee, a monoculture of remote, in-test DNA of FrankenTrees, thanks!! just what we wanted after Monsanto sued Schmeiser, Canadian farmer, for POLLENATION... )
US DA forced to drop "crimes "far worse" than those of Arthur Andersen"
"illicit... ": which sounds more 'illicit' to you?
addressing: "Opium economics: Madelaine Drohan - Value Added"
Do you trust a CorporateGovernment to protect YOU from CONTAMINATED FOOD?
Physicians & the Pharmaceutical Industry": Is a Gift Ever Just a Gift?” - variations on an question...
Universities Create Leaders: €œThe role of the university in a corporatist society€
On Bullshit: the media of BigBioResearch
DNA, ethics & "Dear MediaMatters: the *rest of us* are afraid of Bush & Co., too...."
"Islands at Risk" - GMO & FrankenFood in Hawai'i
Le Refus Global: revisitation
Afro-Netizen: A Bitter Pill for Black Hearts
Antonia Juhasz: The Bush Agenda: Water and Corporate Globalization / Bechtel in Cochabamba, Bolivia



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look out, Giant spiders.......
Posted by: eosrk on Aug 2, 2007 1:12 PM   
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Courtesy of GE Genetics Division, now we'll have twenty-foot spiders, 30-foot long cockroaches, giant ticks that can eat your head, and swallow it.

Sounds like the government, dosen't it!

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The Left allowed the Right to PRIVATIZE our forests to DEATH by
Posted by: maxpayne on Aug 2, 2007 1:29 PM   
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allowing the vested business interests to work to BAN industrial hemp 70 years ago despite the fact that it had no THC ! Until the Left fights to legalize hemp for the 25000 industrial but environmentally friendly uses, Big Timber will keep FUCKING and RAPING America and eventually the entire planet to DEATH !

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Synthetic BIOLOGY: "Just because we can"
Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Aug 2, 2007 1:43 PM   
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what was it Chris Rock once said?
"you can have a lot of good REASONS to push an old man off a flight of stairs; but, you just don't do it"


Do YOU think that if DNA took billions of years to develop... it MIGHT be more than a simple 1:1 relationship of disease:amino acid code?

really? you think you can afford to lease a liver? or simply get a corporate job that will give you *just enough* healthcare to keep you alive month-to-month?
StemCells & Corporations: NYT' s Tierney quoted “IQ expert” funded by eugenicists
what if those LIVERS aren't so great... & they screw up? What if they turn out to be the next great contamination? worse than viruses. other humans who are tragically flawed? those whose DNA is contaminated with unknown horrible flaws... what if we don't find OUT for 200 years after *everyone* has become related to those initial few mistakes?

In sickle-cell anemia increases one's opportunity to reproduce, if with a limited, more painful Life in malaria-riddled regions.
(wait a minute... GLOBAL WARMING & insects? think about what that means)
but if you have malaria... you can live longer with syphilis... without the cognitive emotional effects of syphilis.

The human body's function is still a black box. The Genome project is going to be a massive 'personal privacy v security' issue that few yet recognize. Only last month, researchers were saying, "hey Ma! it looks like we don't have 'extra pieces' in the Box... !"
We have the ultimate 'human' hubris to believe it is within our *PROFIT OR 'ETHICAL'* grasp to play with DNA... much less own it.
with DNA copyright... your children could become perpetual serfs with DNA they DO NOT OWN.

think about that: why does a CORPORATION have the RIGHT to tinker with DNA that belongs NOT TO HUMANS, but to ALL LIFE?

"Just because we can": Scientists call for action on synthetic biology



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Ask yourselves why...
Posted by: Pirate1 on Aug 2, 2007 3:12 PM   
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With all the thousands of tree species that exist in nature anyone would need or want to genetically engineer new ones?
Or with the new knowledge around wind and solar energy, why would we attack and subdue another country for it's mineral or petroleum reserves instead of putting "Manhattan Project" focus behind developing these new energy sources and doing an end run around the rest of the world and win big selling them what they need to do it too? Why must we manufacture a new "enemy" every decade or so to justify continued funding of a bloated military? Why are we easily finding the funds to build billion $$ fences along borders while storm devastated cities still await repair?

We are the belly of the Capitalist Empire, kiddies. Bottom line profits are the ONLY concern of the elite who truly own anything. They aren't exactly visionaries, folks... that's why they cling to old ways of doing things so long and convince you it's the sensible thing to do. A lot of these new technologies give way too much power to the rabble, (that's us). No... but we don't have time for any of that, it's all so confusing anyway, right? We're "free"... so we follow the cravings that are programmed into us by our TV habit. We are told we have it good, we believe what we are told and follow the rules without question and maybe turn in those who don't. Meanwhile life as we know it is already going extinct at an unprecedented rate... as we reach for ever more "resources"... faster than any prehistoric die off we can descern through fossil records. These trees and other bio engineered species will be our legacy until some blight takes out the whole global monoculture in one season. (Imagine that, if you will) It will likely take nature all the time the sun has left to shine to sort it all out and find diversity again. The saddest part of it all is that we do nothing and that none of it is necessary. We leave way too much to the "experts" and are too busy acquiring and riding our jet skis and off road vehicles and shouting at sporting events on our TV screens and other emblems of "freedom". We may deserve what's coming but the other noble species life has brought forth do not. Given what we are finding, life seems to be pretty fucking rare in the universe and for my money I would bet that it only occurs the way it does here once... Just here, folks... elsewhere it would be so alien and unfamiliar as to not even be seen as living by us... kind of like not so long ago seeing Indians and Africans as not human only more extreme... yet we are so jaded and glib we act like life is a universal given for which we have no responsibilty. Too many of us are brainwashed from infancy on in the mythologies of life after death to the point where most humans on earth really believe that this is not our true life and is but a proving ground or something for the magical thinking of life after death in some variety of heaven and so we treat this true miracle as unimportant. We're sick.

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CUT THE CRAP!
Posted by: wireup on Aug 2, 2007 3:17 PM   
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OH PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't give a shit WHAT country is mentioned here. Any country..ANYWHERE that subscribes to this horror is grist for the mill - that goes for China, Russia, the US, the EU -let's know the name of EVERY country that is perpetuating this nightmare. It must be STOPPED!

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Some folks just don't care
Posted by: mizipi on Aug 2, 2007 5:28 PM   
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Start a war, kill a bunch of innocents, as long as the profits roll in, no problem. Some people do not care about life on earth as it is, much less what life will be like for their children, grandchildren, etc. It's all about $$. Every redneck in Mississippi knows that our vast pine plantations are mostly 'dead forests' with very little wildlife, especially compared to the native forests. If we could only figure out how to genetically engineer politicos and aristocrats to be sterile so they would not reproduce..................

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What too damned many people don't understand is: WE DON'T KNOW ENOUGH!
Posted by: Ian MacLeod on Aug 2, 2007 10:20 PM   
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First, genetics is so complex, we haven't managed to isolate every function of most of the genes we've isolated - usually, we know ONE function, the one we want to meddle with. Genes seem to seldom do just one thing. The lenses in our eyes are modified SKIN cells, for instance. We could likely alter them so that they're more efficient, maybe even give ourselves telescopic vision. But what would it do the the REST of our skin cells? No one knows.

Second, when you loose something into the environment, it becomes subject to natural evolution, and it follows its own, unpredictable, path. The GM corn that was planted a "safe" 500 feet from a commercial crop, for instance, turned out to have been fertilized or whatever by the GM crop and ended up in OUR food, as well as the food of animals. How many other "natural" crops are no longer quite so natural? No one know - again.

Third, even the methods we use aren't safe, and the results have properties no one predicted. An e. coli strain that was used to get a modified gene into a number of plants so that they'd make their own pesticide turned out to do the same thing to the e. coli in human intestines, which began making pesticide right there in people's intestines. Oops.

One the really bug rubs here is that GM organisms, especially in Big Ag, are so very profitable that they don't want ANY negative PR to get out. Well, Big Pharma kept Vioxx toxicity secret long enough to make lots of money - and kill 28,000 people. So how much of this infiltration of the food chain, of animals in our food chain and in the wild and on and on - how much is going to happen, and how much do you suppose we'll get to hear about before it become a "mystery plague" or something? I'm all for science, but not unregulated, unobserved, careless science that the corporations are intent on using for more windfall profits not matter how many people get hurt.

Ian

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