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Getting Busted for Pot Can Cost Your Right to Vote

By Silja J.A. Talvi, In These Times. Posted July 31, 2007.


Once you've been arrested for the harsh anti-marijuana laws on the books, you can be denied everything from food stamps to voting rights to the right to adopt a child.

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When a person is sent to prison for the first time on a drug-related felony charge, there is little chance that he or she will be told about the "collateral consequences" of their sentence.

The severity of these residual punishments depends on the state. "Life Sentences: The Collateral Sanctions Associated with Marijuana Offenses," a report released in July by the Center for Cognitive Liberty and Ethics (CCLE), ranks Florida, Delaware, Alabama, Massachusetts, New Jersey, Oklahoma, Virginia, Utah, Arizona and South Carolina as the 10 states with the worst records for continuing the punishments of people who have already served their time.

"Life Sentences" author Richard Boire writes that the long-term sanctions for drug crimes, even for relatively benign drugs like marijuana, can exceed those of violent crimes like premeditated assault, rape and murder. Intense criminalization of drugs began with the Nixon administration, which ignored its own appointed "marihuana" commission's recommendation that legalization for personal use was a logical alternative to costly and ineffective criminalization. The drug war intensified during the Reagan era and has since grown worse: Today, fully 45 percent of 1.5 million annual drug arrests are related to marijuana.

Up until the early '90s, people who smoked pot were rarely arrested in large numbers. If sentenced, most users and small-time dealers did not face long sentences. That has changed. According to the Washington D.C.-based Sentencing Project, marijuana-related arrests jumped up by 113 percent from 1990 to 2002, while overall drug arrests only increased by three percent during that time. Meanwhile, the Office of National Drug Control Policy (ONDCP) has linked smoking weed to everything from teen violence to terrorism.

"ONDCP's crusade seems to get more incoherent and detached from reality every day," says Bruce Mirken, communications director for the Marijuana Policy Project. "One minute they say marijuana makes you an apathetic slug, the next they say it turns you into a violent gangbanger. Neither has the remotest connection with reality, and these latest claims of a link between marijuana and violence are based on shameless manipulation of statistics taken completely out of context."

Government-funded propaganda has been disseminated everywhere, from ads in some progressive magazines, to press releases regurgitated as "news" on cable stations like FOX News, to websites such as BlackNews.com, which recently posted an ONDCP article, "Early Marijuana Use an Early Warning Sign for Gang Involvement." For all of its hoopla about the consequences of drug use, the ONDCP hasn't shown an interest in documenting the problems faced by those convicted of felony drug charges after release.

Job applicants must inform potential employers, upon request, of past felonies, no matter how long ago they happened. The resulting job discrimination pushes many former prisoners back into the underground economy, contributing to the fact that two-thirds of former prisoners recidivate.

Former drug-related offenders have been further punished by stipulations signed into law in 1996, without congressional or public debate, as a part of the Welfare Reform Act. Former convicts can now be denied public housing, food stamps, Temporary Aid for Needy Families and scholarships for higher education. Other limits on freedoms include the denial of vocational licensing and certification for some professions, voting rights, suspension of driver's licenses -- regardless of whether the offense had anything to do with an automobile -- and lifetime bans on the adoption of a child.

Equally serious is that incarcerated men and women, especially those who do not have the physical size or prowess to fight off predators, can be extorted, bullied, beaten, molested or raped by guards and fellow inmates. "Stories from Inside: Prison Rape and the War on Drugs," a study released earlier this year by Los Angeles-based Stop Prisoner Rape, estimates that as many as one in four female and one in five male prisoners experience sexual violence while incarcerated. The real numbers are likely to be higher because of underreporting related to fear of repercussion or stigma.

"While anyone can be a victim of prisoner rape," the report states, "inmates convicted of a non-violent drug offense typically possess characteristics that put them at great risk for abuse. They tend to be young, unschooled in the ways of prison life, and lacking the street smarts necessary to protect themselves from other detainees."

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Silja J.A. Talvi is a senior editor at In These Times, an investigative journalist and essayist with credits in many dozens of newspapers and magazines nationwide, including The Nation, Salon, Santa Fe Reporter, Utne, and the Christian Science Monitor. She is at work on a book about women in prison (Seal Press/Avalon/Perseus).

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Posted by: TT5 on Jul 31, 2007 12:38 AM   
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it endangers your LIFE!

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way to go
Posted by: El Hombre Malo on Jul 31, 2007 12:46 AM   
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As western countries slowly leave behind the moralistic torpor that made them aprove soft drug legislations in the early XX, the USA (who pressured many countries to adopt those laws) swims against currents and tightens the grip against recreational drugs...

Could it have anything to do with private prisons beign one sweet biz for certain companies? Or maybe its simply that old evangelical hatred towards any kind of sensual pleasure? (wich was a big factor in the prohibition in the first place).

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» Know the history -- read the book Posted by: BenCaxton12
» RE: way to go Posted by: cindymattson
An insincere argument
Posted by: LMNOP on Jul 31, 2007 2:45 AM   
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Obviously, the so-called War on Drugs is a war on the average American, which is not only very profitable for many industries (on the backs of ordinary citizens who not only fund the War with tax dollars and also serve as its fodder), it increases conservatives’ political power. It does this by disenfranchising the poor, the major target of the war.

The War’s chief proponents (apart from the masses who have been made to feel that marijuana is immoral and destructive to its user) pretend to have the nation’s well being at heart. It’s enemies, most of us, for example, believe that they do, but are mistaken in their judgment. It’s not like that at all. It really is time to incorporate a paradigm shift into all aspects of our political thinking: our opponents are lying when they say that they want what we want: a sane drug policy and a healthy society.

The corporatists and fascists that support this pernicious weapon against ordinary citizens, almost all of whom have broken the marijuana laws at some time by smoking it, are definitely not interested in your well-being. They’re just not free to say so, and so they continue to argue for the War as if it is a good thing for the nation when they know it is not. And we go on showing them data about marijuana as if they can be convinced of something they already believe but deny. They even have the Supreme Court working for them now. The Court made a medical judgment against scientific evidence and impartial expert recommendations when they declared that marijuana has no legitimate medical use. It also provided an argument as tortuous as that in Florida after the November 2000 presidential election when it argued that the feds had a compelling interest in controlling marijuana law, even against the wishes of the voters of several states, because medical marijuana could conceivably be sold, and conceivably it could be across state lines.

Likewise with the so-called War on Terrorism. Nobody responsible for creating it thinks that it is helpful to America – just corporate America and the Republicans.

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» RE: An insincere argument Posted by: pure_genius
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» One J at a time Posted by: LMNOP
Just one thing. . .
Posted by: Annarisse on Jul 31, 2007 3:28 AM   
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There is no "right" to adopt a child. No one has the right to adopt a child. After a lengthy and rigorous process, families may get the privilege of adopting a child.

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» RE: Just one thing. . . Posted by: LMNOP
Vicious cycle
Posted by: pure_genius on Jul 31, 2007 3:50 AM   
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I have always been disturbed by felon disenfranchisement laws. It's often said that everyone deserves a second chance, but these laws and other institutional obstacles to reintegration show it to be lip service.

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» RE: Vicious cycle Posted by: Basenjis
» RE: Vicious cycle Posted by: Basenjis
Petro-manufactured drugs are far more dangerous than marijuana.
Posted by: maxpayne on Jul 31, 2007 5:44 AM   
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The War on Drugs already signals that we have no free market or Cannibas would be allowed in the market already.

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Have a Marijuana If You Can
Posted by: Tom Degan on Jul 31, 2007 5:59 AM   
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By the time you get to be my age (I'll turn 49 on August 16th) you have known (as I have) at the very least, 50 people who have died from alcohol abuse. Throw in another 50 lost souls due to cigarettes.

Question:
How many people have I known who have died as a result of marijuana abuse? Not only have I never known anyone to die in that matter I'm not aware of it happening in all recorded human history! If someone can forward me an example, please do.

In 1966 Lenny Bruce predicted that pot would be legal in five years because every law student he knew smoked weed and they would eventually become congressmen and senators and that they would legalize it to protect themselves. What is criminal is the fact that forty-one years later we are still having this mind-numbingly stupid conversation.

Peace....

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
"The Rant" by Tom Degan

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» RE: Have a Marijuana If You Can Posted by: mercianomad
» RE: Have a Marijuana If You Can Posted by: Tom Degan
» What happened to our generation? Posted by: Bearzerker
Being Terminally Ill ..AND....getting busted...double whammy..
Posted by: picket on Jul 31, 2007 5:59 AM   
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The Hinchey-Rohrabacher Amendment failed again in the House of Reps for 2007. This amendment if passed would stop Government raids on sick people in the twelve USA States that have passed medical MJ for the sick.

The Amendment got only TWO more votes than last year and HOW MANY NEW REPS did the people elect in 2006, mostly DEMS? They gave you the finger.

Quoting Bruce Mirken, from Marijuana Policy Project, "As long as we have a 'war on drugs', can we please at least remove the sick and wounded from the battlefield?"

As for the rest of the millions of voters that take a chance on arrest..Lots of Luck...you will need it UNLESS you are well-connected, of course.

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So What?
Posted by: mrs whatsit on Jul 31, 2007 6:18 AM   
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If you have been raised in a society of which certain drugs have been illegal since your birth, why are you crying about it? Are you so self indulging and narcisistic to believe that you have the right to do something just because you 'want' to and because it pleases your notions of self righteousness, regardless of the law?
I don't believe that one should be penalized for their entire lives for being caught with pot when they're young and I will certainly fight against that. But, whether or not you agree, it's been against the law since before your birth.
Grow up.

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» Don't be a tool. Posted by: MadFlacc
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» Shut up and have a beer ;-) Posted by: 9wicket
Reefer Madness...
Posted by: adp3d on Jul 31, 2007 6:50 AM   
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...these low level "violators" are incarcerated because of the privatization of our prison systems. These prison operators give contributions to our lawmakers in the name of law and order, so they can enrich themselves as the prison population increases.

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Remember that Ron Paul is a strong advocate of legalizing...
Posted by: poppop_schell on Jul 31, 2007 7:06 AM   
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medical marijuana and is a sharp critic of the so-called Drug War. And he is also a principled and long term opponnet of the Iraqi War and interventinism in general. e is the GOP peace candidate.

ronpaul2008.com

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kafka
Posted by: marchpet on Jul 31, 2007 7:58 AM   
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Another life-sentence consequence of a marijuana bust from the distance past is lifetime inadmissability to the usa. This applies to the spouses and parents of u.s. citizens who are banned from living with their families. Many of the politicians who enacted this law are ardent supporters of protecting the family and the institution of marriage.

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» RE: kafka Posted by: Lauren
Prison overcrowding?
Posted by: Talon on Jul 31, 2007 8:26 AM   
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Imagine! Release of all the inmates incarcerated for victimless "crimes," and you've how much more space for real criminals? Problem solved. People suffering because our government has a profit issue with a plant. Absurdism, for sure. Anyone can put the seed in the ground, and these conservatives must find some way to make their profit from it. It's shameful! Our government are the criminals!

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» RE: Prison overcrowding? Posted by: Lauren
Perverse Justice
Posted by: InsertNameHere on Jul 31, 2007 8:30 AM   
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I've seen 'Cops' or 'World's Craziest Videos' or whatever you want to call it (on FOX of course), where the cops sit there, try to sell pot to people, then arrest them to be thrown to the courts, where they undoubtedly get stiff punishment.

How the hell does that get any drugs off the street? Pot? There's things being peddled on the streets that are far more deadly, like tobacco, alcohol, guns and enlistment in the Army.

I had a friend here in Canada once who got caught with a decent-sized bag on him, the cops just took it and left him alone (they probably smoked it).

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By the way, speaking of WOD, TV is the most addictive DRUG
Posted by: maxpayne on Jul 31, 2007 9:34 AM   
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You know, we could find ways to screen people for ADD and use disqualification and force reform but I guess our WOD don't cover it.

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The War on Drugs is a War on You....
Posted by: Michael Boldin on Jul 31, 2007 10:07 AM   
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The idea behind the war on drugs it totally repugnant to the ideals of a free society.

What is that? Well, it's based on the idea that you do not own your own body - you can't make decisions as to what you'll smoke, eat, or drink...instead, your owners, the government, will decide for you.

Prohibition doesn't work, and it never has. It creates a black market, doesn't end usage and massively increases crime.

The time for prohibition to finally end is now!

Some reading on this:

"7 Ways to Make Your Neighborhood Safer" - click here

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YOU CAN'T MAKE MONEY ON A WEED.
Posted by: WitchyNy on Jul 31, 2007 11:49 AM   
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Weeds grow everywhere. (no profit)

Or the Sunshine (no profit)

Or the Wind (no profit)

Get the picture?

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If we'd outlawed voting for all smokers, we wouldn't have had a GOP President for the last 50 years
Posted by: xbj on Jul 31, 2007 12:00 PM   
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I'm not so sure letting people stupid enough to light anything on fire and breathe the smoke into their lungs NOT vote is NOT such a bad idea.... if we'd outlawed voting for all smokers, the NaziGOP would simply not exist, period... there wouldn't have been a single GOP president in the last 50 years. And take the tobacco users out of this White House and it would be COMPLETELY empty. In stark contrast to the Carter AND Clinton White Houses.

Big Tobacco always chooses the Nazi Party.

Flame on... it's not a serious post anyway. As if we'd EVER be so blessed to live in such a world...

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Hemp can save the country
Posted by: cindymattson on Jul 31, 2007 12:51 PM   
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You are right if people smoked a joint instead of drinking a six pack spouse/child abuse would go down in this country. If we wouldn't incarcerate young people for MJ possession poverty would go down. The cycle is vicious. A new book that explores the History and realities of Marijuana laws and attitudes in this country is "Twelve Steps to Marijuana Maintenance" by Dennis Harlan can be purchased online at lulu.com/content/595844

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Marijuana is Bullshit
Posted by: rwmk12 on Jul 31, 2007 3:11 PM   
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Well not marijuana, but the illegalization of marijuana. Why is it illegal? Several reasons... here's four.
1-As someone pointed out already it is hard to charge people money for. (profit) which might take away from other industries like alcohol, entertainment, and cigarette (just like oil delays the technology of hydrogen, cause they can't limit the extraction of hydrogen from the universe... free energy... equals death of the burgeosie ruling class... elite in wealth alone... equals empire on the verge of collapse.
2-It is a depressant, or rather a relaxant, which means it isn't making you more profitable of a wage slave like caffine. Plus, you might be just content to sit around and not go out and spend your money on other shit you don't need.
3-the slippery slope principle... if we legalize marijuana how far is it till people want other things like healthcare, economic equality, and environmentally friendly legislation. Keep the population focused on non-issues and real issues can be avoided by red-herring debates. who cares about abortion or gay marriage? I'm not sleeping with em', what do I care. There are a lot of brave men and women that go home to ugly spouses every night, should we intervene?
4-you can't have your soldiers in iraq and afganistan smoking weed otherwise they might chill, and not pursue other more profitable acts such as raping and murdering innocent 14 year old girls in the spirit of big business for other people's resources.

Instead, Iraq and Afganistan surrender due to free MJ handouts dropped by oversexed and happy marines... big oil still profits... military industrial complex converts to the production of bongs and other smoking and growing apparatus... capitalism enters the beginning of the prophesized thousand year Reich.

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» RE: Marijuana is Bullshit Posted by: Lycas7x
Government stands to profit multiple times on this war on freedom
Posted by: guerillaTHOUGHTterrorist on Jul 31, 2007 6:26 PM   
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This potentially never-ending war of ideals and morals increases the budget every single year, not to mention the social costs of arresting and incarcerating drug users. It seems as if this government must keep justifying reasons, why we as a people should just step aside and let them get bigger every year.

Justifying new government jobs that continually rape our paychecks, while they increase their own salaries more often than most people are even offered, the government also seems to enjoy arresting drug dealers. Not only does this negatively stigmatize a subculture by creating out of thin air, an entire class of criminals for the police to profile, but combined with the RICO Stature, the government is able to legally take any and all of a drug dealer's assets. Obviously, the government wouldn't legalize drugs, because that would only deflate the profit margins on the drugs. And who else could they steal from?

There is also the pull of the big money in alcohol and tobacco to send our politicians' allegiances astray. Whenever you see this much money in any industry, you will find politicians accepting handouts and campaign contributions. Politicians also benefit when people are incarcerated. These bags of wind with inflated senses of self-importance exploit those in prison with no right to vote, to bloat the number of people living within the congressional district where they are incarcerated, justifying a greater number of electoral votes.

The government is playing the people for fools. Turning one side of society against the other over what should be a non-issue. I mean, what kind of people wouldn't want the prices of drugs to drop? Users would benefit, junkies would steal less often for their fix, and the government could collect the tax off of the legalization of marijuana, for I don't know... socialized healthcare? The only issue at play is that the government, among other voices in our society telling the people that they know what is best for us, and have our interests in mind.

Be that as it may, that still does not address the fact that tobacco is more addictive than heroin, alcohol can kill with devastating results, and that they are both legal... at the age of consent, of course. The hypocrisy of the government to criminalize a relatively harmless pursuit as opposed to a the other two that are legal is a kick in the face of the American people. One would be extremely hard pressed for finding a person in life who died from smoking too much pot, in fact it would be nearly impossible. I mean who could possibly smoke the 900 joints that Time magazine said was the lethal dosage?

Unfortunately the criminalization hinges on most of society living in ignorance about the relative harmlessness of both marijuana, as well as its legalization. They believe in the end of civilization after marijuana legalization. As if they were anything really left to save in this society. We should tear it all down and continue to kick these bumbling, crusty, old men out of office, before they can take away the rest of our rights to vote.

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Waraq al-Khayal, ‘Fancy’s Leaf.’
Posted by: Lauren on Aug 1, 2007 6:58 AM   
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I think this is an interesting story, another religious perspective. I like stories that are dated like this one from April of this year.

http://www.onmarijuana.com/2007/04/11/
marijuana-and-islam-forgetting-fancys-leaf/

Pray for peace.
Thank you.

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changes
Posted by: donl51 on Aug 1, 2007 1:44 PM   
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Whoever said the Justice System was just! Blind,Corrupt,Greedy and not at all for the protection of the people,things have changed over the years,lot of wealthy powerfull self-interest groups out there,system's broken,or actually its not ours anymore, our leaders are terrible,one's totally nuts! so when was it that the people had finally had it w/their leaders and the existing injustices and did something about it ?! something monumental! they changed all the bad and went for something new,welll..........maybe its time again!

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Remember, the pot arrest takes up jail space
Posted by: ReallyBearish on Aug 1, 2007 2:30 PM   
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We have violent criminals released from prison because of "overcrowding". Society has to make decisions about jail and who goes, or spend billions on still more prisons. You want killers, child molesters, etc. in prison, or do you want pot heads in prison? Your choice. Republican idiots want to ignore the issue. Just take a look at how many serial killers got sprung in the Texas prison system!

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This is about rights and cash"control"
Posted by: Krain61 on Aug 1, 2007 4:10 PM   
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It's all about keeping
The economy going"with jobs to arrest and try and convict and hold they aleged
crimminals"
More of our rights and less voters to worry about.
Another way of taking taxes via confications and that other words I can't seem to spell.
In Comunist countries they put these people in jails and denie them jobs when they
get out. Wont rent to them which makes them homeless. So they know within just
6 months they will be right back..I wonder where we get our ideas or was it us that
gave them there ideas..Noting that we are the ones who gave Hitler his idea of getting
rid of the less desireables when we "our government" use to sterilize people back b4
hitlers rule.. Now our government is getting more and more ballzy at getting rid of the
voices and fight from us..We have more and more police on the street than needed.
But I guess this is only going to get worse b4 it gets better.
Fasten your seatbelts people or "fine" .
If they really wanted to stop drugs here why didn't we close the borders 50 plus years
ago..No they had a plan and we are now seeing the fruits of that plan coming to
a head..
Our rights just as they have been doing with demestic voilence.
Saying if there called one of you is going to jail which they know the man usally owns
a gun b4 his wife and many women use this as a tool to get at the husband b4 devorse
even though she might of cheated on him..
Look at the laws and you see they are aimed at rights or cash from us.

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Penalties for Pot Smoking
Posted by: coatsfh on Aug 1, 2007 6:04 PM   
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With laws as they now exist, anyone with any common sense would just not smoke pot. Any reasonable assessment of benefit to risk would lead one to say it just aint worth it.

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» RE: I've smoked it for 36 years Posted by: swifturtle
» RE: I've smoked it for 36 years Posted by: cindymattson
Dances With Hemp
Posted by: bobjbax on Aug 1, 2007 10:35 PM   
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This is an out of context excerpt of a larger work so it will read a bit awkwardly. Just a quick & dirty comment for your amusement..

JUST SAY NO TO THE TEXECUTIONER.
DENY HIM HIS DRUG OF CHOICE.
Got a better 'drug' for him, and US, just ahead.

tongue in toxed cheek..
'Ye shall know the Great Satan's True Hand by his minion's poisoning of your minds, your hearts, your bodily temples and your lands.'

and ha, by BUSHZI'S pointy ears roosting up there in their stolen Whuthauz"

"The only thing of which I know that can be planted in our soils.. without much relative energy expenditure or physical effort through it's crop cycle.. without much disturbance of and loss of those soils.. or unnatural displacement and destruction of our precious wildlife.. without finishing the draining of what little 'industrial agriculture' has left of our now chemically poisoned by them drinking water aquifers to massively slake theirs since this one does not require irrigation.. without the horrid, persisting chemical pesticides and herbicides (remember Paraquat and 'Agent Orange'? Drink up the poison cup folks it's FREE in your water now. Along with a little gasoline 'bonus' from the CORPSETOCRACY since we kinda lost our 'taste' for Lead,.. MTBE. Some of US Who Served, many no longer with US because of these 'AGENTS', Remember and Well.. and much more to come elsewhere. It's just you who choose to 'forget' your poisoners.).. without more CARBON PROFIT PROSTITUTION OF US ~ vast quantities of their carbon petroleum and 'natural' gas converted into excoriating chemical fertilizer topsoil burners and equipment fuels... and that actually BUILDS UP TOPSOIL.. IS HEMP. CLEAN AND SOLAR POWERED. A NATURAL BORN WINNER GIVEN US BY MOTHER EARTH. GROWS LIKE A WEED. Geese honk for hemp.. why won't you? What fools we seem to be. Hemp naturally builds back soils in extended rotations for future clean food production. IT WAS THE LARGEST CROP IN THE WORLD until it's sudden and ruthless polymer suppression in the 1930's. A clean, wildlife friendly and low environmental impact agricultural industry providing much employment, citizen held enterprise, natural products and all hugely useful to US.. but.. that very large, relatively honest and private industry was destroyed by CORPSECO monopololists for their increased CARBON PROFITS by forcing US into and destroying the enormous existing natural market with their toxic carbon petroleum plastic material technologies they cleverly and slickly media substituted into our lives. ~
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Dances With Hemp
Posted by: bobjbax on Aug 1, 2007 10:38 PM   
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Forcefully replacing our many hemp based foods, oils, molded solids, natural fibers and our galaxy of happy and economical uses of them. Killing Hemp's and much other Safe Natural Progess For US Ahead. Hemp is Good Medicine, the Very Best, the day comes you need it. It's cannabanoids like those your body naturally produces. CORPSECO'S criminally stealthed poisons have long been building, festering in you. Hemp Is The Only Salvation that will Unshackle Your Spirit, Your True Strength, from their Chemco, Nukeco, Drugco chains of your suffering and anguish ticking ticking ticking away in you. Drugco will kill you before they will 'allow' that. The majority of our serious illnesses ARE NOT chance, natural occurences. (POISONS workup to be put either here or other option. I know what my body fluids testings say. Oooh. Naughty naughty.) Arsenic and Old Lace? I'd watch my step these days, truer than you 'might allow'. These occulteds are premeditated, accomplished career poisoners for their own cruel profits. Utterly without Conscience. Perhaps a trip into the Sanct Realm of Your Dictionary might be 'profitable' for YOU. The simple and clear definitions reappraised, of the words 'premeditated' and 'murder'. Live a little.. commit a 'thought crime'. uummm.. I sense a new round of book bannings and burnings. Not to fear, gallantly proven, our ferocious librarian ladies will save US. These Outrages began 75 or so years ago as an enormous 'market switcheroo' monopoly THEFT. Unjustly by their criminal manipulation of our minds and government, ruthlessly GULAGing many tens of millions of US along the way since taking the promise of our lives. And those healthy products our own private industries produced cleanly and inexpensively for US. With that complete loss for so many of US of our hemp avocations and incomes, soon and inevitably our lands, properties and businesses that we ourselves by that time had built up by dedication and hard work as families through our generations. All taken. Another domino down. One of many large privately held industries to be taken down the years since, and so arcanely done. This ‘take downs’ ruthless 'wages' paid this year by three quarters of a million fellow human beings Peacefully and Privately, happily if very carefully exercising their Constitutional Rights enjoying breathtaking spiritual portals with a humble, but noble garden herb. ~
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Dances With Hemp
Posted by: bobjbax on Aug 1, 2007 10:39 PM   
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Or Fearfully Salving their CORPSECO inflicted wounds of terrible illness in the only, only way that helps. Your unquestionable Constitutional Right! No 'law' about what is in your garden whatsoever proper. 'Medical Marijuana' for all the good intentions and efforts of those who struggle for it, a bad joke on US all. Their 'paid mades' playing CORPSECO'S victims like fish on a line. 'ARRESTED!!', their homes, families and properties taken, enfelonated and never again to be Citizens of Right (not that any of you are anymore), terrorized into 'obedience'. Comply. Inform. Enforce. They Divide and Conquer. The "gift that keeps on giving". Your new plastic pants. And soul I guess. Allowing, even cheering on these staggering serial thefts against ourselves decade after decade, industry after industry, as you so many jingoistically have. Such do not hesitate to viciously destroy others healthy crop industries and our precious topsoil for a higher profit. And all other of our industries as they have 'progressed' now. Even GULAGING US by the tens of millions to seal their theft. CORPSECO PSYCHCO DRUGCO CARBON CHEMCO at 'work'. "What's in your wallet?" And brain, and every cell of your body.. ticking.. ticking.. ticking. "Your Life? Priceless".

CORPSECO.. "BETTER LIVING THROUGH CHEMISTRY".
GUNPOWDER, NITRO GLYCERIN & ZYKLON B.

BUY SOAPO. (and Prozac) WAR IS GOOOD. zzzt.

What CORPSECO has found to be so 'very good' for YOU, in comprehension, I'm sure you will find to be equally efficacious for them. EQUAL JUSTICE UNDER THE LAW.

So.. 'thought crime' anyone? GOT HEMP!? Gitcha sum. Forbidden Hemp Industrial, Oil and Food Products. SWEET MARY JANE herself your guest. See the light. GULAGing you anyway. Their so called 'DRUG WAR' begun in 1970. Against US!! We PSYOPed like drooling idiots. Many of US cheering them on. Our own 'government' criminally and cruelly assaulting Our Own People!? Our military envelopment by their thinly disguised paramilitaries in Truth. SWAT!! if you looked at them wrong. They disarmed US. We are now Veritably Prisoners In Our Own Homes, only comfortable and seemingly secure at their whim. SNEAK, PEEK, TAKE. You avidly sitting in your Personal Confessional booth (PC) that you paid for and then brought into your own home for them. No warrant necessary. ~
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Dances With Hemp
Posted by: bobjbax on Aug 1, 2007 10:41 PM   
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You even obligingly pay the monthly charges to have it wired straight into them, tapping away naively telling them your deepest private thoughts. Your Private Informations and Private Papers straight into their automated hands. Their cyber abyss that never forgets what you forget. A power over you that you cannot escape the iron jaws of when they finally whim it, scroll, click. Tap. As an old agency intel/ew type I counsel you that they are imperceptably but fully in control of it, at will, do not doubt it. Your near total loss of your precious, personal privacy and thought security is the only reason you were ever allowed to have more than a Tandy TRS DOS 80 'personal computer' in the mid 70's. Their risks small in comparison to yours, or so they strategize. "Torture to the point of organ failure" now 'written into law' and the new standard of CORPSECO POISONERS and it's 'justice system'. Though we most won't admit it, ever peering ahead as we peer behind into our rear view mirrors. We are all become Dr. Doolittle's 'pushmepullyou'. We all fear this criminality rising about our ears if we would only admit it, speak it. One must ask oneself, 'who dealt this mess!?' Why, it was you, deceived to by them. Anyone who so much as chisels, much less destroys the Supreme Law of the Land, OUR CONSTITUTION, is Guilty of Treason. REASON!! BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE!! IT IS TREASON. AGAINST YOU AND YOUR CHILDREN. Perhaps then those who have long afflicted US with their DECEPTIONS, THEFTS, MURDERS, GREAT GENOCIDES & TREASONS UPON US, we giving all this back to them in Our True Court of The Supreme Law of the Land, and it being their own cruel choice this December 2006 in their grossly illegal, murderous silencing of Saddam on their own crimes against US all planetwide, should ponder their own 'stretch' of hemp rope ahead. Get em' high on hemp. Teach these sweethearts some new dancesteps in their coquettish shadows. Sweep em' right off their feets. Charm em' with a little 'texas shuffle', then on to a little 'texas swing'. The horrid 'penalty' they themselves, such 'law writing and abiding citizens', immorally set for their own HIGH TREASONS. Time respects no man.. or MONSTER. ~
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Dances With Hemp
Posted by: bobjbax on Aug 1, 2007 10:42 PM   
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SWEET MARY I'm quite sure, as myself, appalled by such an abuse of her wonderful bounty.

'CELLULOSIC ETHANOL' MR. GORECO? FUNNY THING HAPPENED ON THE WAY TO THE FORUM TODAY, TURNS THAT HEMP HAS THE HIGHEST CELLULOSE CONTENT OF ANY ENVIRONMENTALLY HARMONIOUS, ECONOMICALLY VIABLE CROP. NEW CROP EVERY YEAR. 'GENETICALLY MODIFIED' SWITCHGRASS? BETTER SWITCH TO THE HEALTHY GRASS. MY GUESS.. GIVEN ENOUGH HEMP ROPE.. 'YOU LOT' HAVE NOW HUNG YOURSELVES.

GEESE HONK FOR HEMP FOLKS. WHY DON'T YOU?

Bobby Baxter ~ Calculated Military JetGun CrossInfection HCV Veteran & Marijuana ‘Thought Crime’ Felon

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And a President
Posted by: kingathebottom on Aug 2, 2007 12:42 PM   
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...And a President who used pot and cocaine gets impeached?

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Ron Paul is a MD so he "maybe" part of the current problem...
Posted by: Bearzerker on Aug 3, 2007 8:20 PM   
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originally posted here
poppop_schell wrote;...push the decision on medical reform down to states to allow each state to develop what is best for them...

Single Payer, Universal Health care...
"WOULD" be administrated by the individual States anyway, but universality means a national single payer system as any other system just wouldn't be cost effective...
and if he truly was for health care he would know the issues and the solutions...
as adopted by 90% of all western nations... there are lots of models to look at!

The number one cost to the manufacturers in the US is health care with manufacturing plant closures the number one concern for people in the rust belt! Just think of all the jobs that could be saved if this simple concern was relieved from the manufacturing sector.
and the votes are up for grabs

The number one cause of bankruptcies in the US are health care related, imagine the saving to the people, the courts and economy if this burden was taken over by a national nonprofit organization.
and the votes are up for grabs

The number one cost to medical professionals is legal malpractice and the insurance to cover this added cost, just imagine the savings to the tax base through court costs alone if this burden was taken over by a single payer nonprofit organization.
and the votes are up for grabs

and the huge purchasing power that a single non-profit desk would provide, plus the multiple other cost effective benefits that universality provides!
and the votes are up for grabs

Nice try... but Dr. Ron Paul is not for universality, or for non-profit health care.
His policy from what you have listed boils down to mean, some coverage for some people, and no coverage for others... all depending on the ability of a states resources...
At best you are advocating a 2 tiered system, which would be a huge step backwards as that dumps all the expensive procedures to the non-profit organization, leaving the safer clients to the profit based systems... no thanks that definitely wont work!

A single payer system works... do your research, I'm sure Dr. Paul has and why he doesn't fully embrace universal health care coverage for all "is for him to detail"...

I don't think he would ever stand for a true non-profit health care system... but if he ever does a paper detailing his position... ensure he gets it published here on Alternet to be vetted... the people hear would love that!

He must realize that Health Care coverage is "thee" issue this election cycle...
It's the elephant in the room, and the mouse that is roaring...is us!!!...

HE MUST PAY ATTENTION TO IT OR LOOSE RELEVANCY!

This is not a left wing socialist agenda to reform government policy but is in reality a blatant capitalistic approach to bring sensible direction to the manufacturing base of this once powerful manufacturing society called the USA!

I love politicians that accept responsibilities for their actions and recognize positions where policy improvements can be made...
Ron Paul can go far... but so far he's way out in right field while others are way out in center and left field... I'm looking for a closing pitcher that can deliver a win and I don't care which field he's in as long as he delivers the win!

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DDOS Hacker gets OWNED by Cannabis Culture Forum
Posted by: ArghMonkey on Aug 4, 2007 11:26 AM   
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Looks like the hacker responsible for over 20 DDOS attacks on various sites, Eric Leech, finally has been exposed and through some internet investigation his name, picture, address, house picture, phone number etc. is available to the public. Suffered from a DDOS? Check out the link to see if you recognize the guy.

LINK HERE

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refuting government propaganda
Posted by: vasumurti on Aug 4, 2007 6:31 PM   
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I like the author's referring to the government's claims that marijuana use leads to gang violence as "propaganda." I've been free of all drugs, alcohol, and caffeine for 16 years now, and plan to remain like this the rest of my life. But in 1989-90, I was a pothead. A few have accused me of having been in a gang. That's bullshit!

1. None of us carried weapons.
2. We all held day jobs.
3. We smoked pot in the evenings, after work.
4. We were all college educated.

A gang? Give me a break! It was a bunch of guys smoking pot...a substance safer than alcohol and tobacco.

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Supreme Court Justice Questions Marijuana Policy
Posted by: vasumurti on Aug 4, 2007 8:35 PM   
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Dissenting from the recent Supreme Court ruling on the suspension of an Alaskan student for waving a banner -- "BONG HITS 4 Jesus" -- at a high school event, Justice John Paul Stevens takes the long view:

"...the current dominant opinion supporting the war on drugs in general, and our anti-marijuana laws in particular, is reminiscent of the opinion that supported the nationwide ban on alcohol consumption when I was a student. While alcoholic beverages are now regarded as ordinary articles of commerce, their use was then condemned with the same moral fervor that now supports the war on drugs...

"...just as Prohibition in the 1920's and early 1930's was secretly questioned by thousands of otherwise law-abiding patrons of bootleggers and speakeasies, today the actions of literally millions of otherwise law abiding users of marijuana, and of the majority of voters in each of the several states that tolerate medicinal uses of the product, lead me to wonder whether the fear of disapproval by those in the majority is silencing opponents of the war on drugs."

The Washington Post, July 26, 2007, reported: "Stevens compared the current marijuana ban to the abandoned alcohol ban and urged a respectful hearing for those who suggest 'however inarticulately' that the ban is 'futile' and that marijuana should be legalized, taxed and regulated instead of prohibited."

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Vote?
Posted by: Darrell Kern on Aug 5, 2007 6:13 AM   
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Being that elections are rigged and have been for decades losing the right to vote in this country is an honor.

Being that our votes do not count- what's the loss, here?

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All I know is the...
Posted by: bob t on Aug 24, 2007 9:46 AM   
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...damn laws are so not working that something else must be tried. I like the Canadian approach or is it the Vancouver, BC approach.

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