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I hope Gore receives exactly what most nonviolent, low-level drug offenders in California do -- a chance at treatment instead of a record. Proposition 36, passed by 61 percent of voters in 2000, offers community-based treatment instead of incarceration to over 36,000 people each year. The Orange County district attorney will determine Gore's eligibility for the program in the next couple of weeks.
It is a tragedy when anyone enters the criminal justice system -- rather than the healthcare system -- because of their drug use. That's why a majority of California voters approved Proposition 36, changing state law so that people can address their drug problems without adding the trauma and stigma of incarceration.
Over 36,000 people -- famous and not -- benefit from Proposition 36 each year. Robert Downey Jr. is a Proposition 36 graduate. So is Alec Baldwin's brother Daniel, who told Larry King just last week that Proposition 36 intervened in his 18-year cocaine addiction and allowed him to access the treatment he needed to enter long-term recovery. He is now taking it one day at a time.
His story is similar to that of Rudy Mendez, a not-so-famous resident of San Diego, who entered Proposition 36 to treat his long-term addiction to heroin. He's now been sober for five years. Cynthia McDonald, another not-famous Proposition 36 grad from Southern California, thanks the law for her recovery from years of addiction to methamphetamine. She has been sober for nearly four years.
Daniel Baldwin, Rudy Mendez, Cynthia McDonald and thousands more Proposition 36 grads are now spokespeople for recovery, working with others to spread the news that "Recovery Happens!" and that one way to get there is Proposition 36. The positive impact they have had on the lives around them prove that, while addiction is not contagious, recovery can be.
Gore's arrest and Baldwin's interview come just as the California Senate considers cutting funding for Proposition 36 treatment in exchange for hefty tax breaks for large corporations. Squeezing the budget of this life-saving and cost-effective program is a slap in the face of California voters, and, worse, a direct assault on the quality of treatment that the state can provide Proposition 36 participants next year, perhaps including Gore.
In just six years, over 70,000 Californians have graduated from Proposition 36 treatment, and taxpayers have saved $1.8 billion. Gore could be one of 12,000 more people expected to graduate next year. If so, perhaps he'll become another spokesperson for treatment and alternatives to incarceration -- and be able to explain to Sacramento politicians just how outrageous it is to starve a program that saves money, reduces jail and prison overcrowding, and improves the lives of tens of thousands of real people each year.
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Posted by: Lector on Jul 26, 2007 12:40 AM
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That along with his various other "run in's" with the law involving DUI, and drug possession as noted below suggests that he should get the same treatment that Brittney, and Lohan and Richie received. I wonder though if he were a poor black person would he be thrown in jail. Because he's Gores son and rich, he'll be sent to that beautiful rehab center "Promises".
Some Background
In August 2000, he was ticketed for going 97 mph in a 55-mph zone in North Carolina, and had his driving privileges suspended.
Two years later, he was cited for DUI in Virginia. He eventually pleaded guilty and was sentenced to one year's probation.
And in December 2003, Gore was arrested for marijuana possession in Maryland after he was pulled over for driving with his headlights off. He was sentenced to drug counseling in that case.
no doubt he's as out of control as many young wealthy people with little on their minds except how to party.. He shouldn't get special treatment, but he will..rehab is a given but rarely works the first, second or third time. Jail time is useless, unless he intended to distribute all those pills!!! Maybe he can room with Brittney and co..party on!!
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Posted by: vasumurti on Jul 26, 2007 6:59 AM
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Former Green Party political activist Jeanne Besanceney (of the San Francisco Vegetarian Society) has written about the negative effect a flesh-centered diet has on our health, and that beginning in childhood, most Americans are "hooked on sugar, caffeine, alcohol...cigarettes."
Dr. John MacDougall similarly advocates a strictly vegan diet with no oils, sugar, salt, caffeine, alcohol or tobacco in The MacDougall Plan (1983). I've been drug, alcohol, and caffeine free, except chocolate :) for 16 years now.
But just as there are millions of Americans who don't drink, but who don't have a problem with other people drinking, or with alcohol being legal, so I also don't have a problem with people around me using mild forms of intoxication, such as alcohol, caffeine, tobacco AND marijuana.
Over 400,000 marijuana arrests are made annually, costing the nation billions of dollars in police and court time and prison space.
Richard Posner, Chicago's chief federal appeals judge, and one of the nation's leading legal scholars, says marijuana should be legalized as a way of reducing crime. "It is nonsense that we should be devoting so many law enforcement resources to marijuana," said Posner.
"I am skeptical that a society that is so tolerant of alcohol and cigarettes should come down so hard on marijuana use and send people to prison for life without parole...Only decriminalization is a sure route to a lower crime rate. It is sad that it appears so far below the horizon of political feasibility."
Prostitution was legal in ancient India for the same reason the Prohibition of alcohol failed in the United States.
Commenting on Srimad Bhagavatam 1.11.19, A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami writes:
"By tricks of chance, one may be obliged to adopt a profession which is not very adorable in society...even in those days, about five thousand years ago, there were prostitutes in a city like Dwarka...This means that prostitutes are necessary citizens for the proper upkeep of society.
"The government opens wine shops, but this does not mean that the government encourages the drinking of wine. The idea is that there is a class of men who will drink at any cost, and it has been experienced that prohibition in great cities encouraged illicit smuggling of wine.
"Similarly, men who are not satisfied at home require such concessions...It is better that prostitutes be available in the marketplace so that the sanctity of society can be maintained."
Again, I sympathize with Al Gore III.
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Posted by: Michael Boldin on Jul 26, 2007 8:44 AM
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Instead, the politicians who thrive off this - make these decisions for you.
But, prohibition doesn't work. Didn't this country learn that from alcohol?? It drives up prices, doesn't end usage, and creates black markets, criminal elements and violence.
The best way to deal with drugs is to end this insane "war" on your personal freedom. now.
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Posted by: edgar_michel on Jul 26, 2007 12:44 PM
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Having said that however, treatment should always be preferred to jail, because jail is just a revolving door designed to enrich the jailer.
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Not that I am a fan of Shrub or his henchmen, just thought I would point that out. I also think that rehab would be the logical thing to do in these situations, so it is not as if I oppose the California laws regarding this. Again, just pointing out what would happen if the shoe was on the other foot.
Oh, one more thing...being in possession of 124 vicoden in your car suggests intent to distribute. It's not like they were at his house, they were in his car with him. Why would one carry around 124 vicoden? Because one is going to give them away/sell them. Or maybe he is just an idiot. Something rehab cannot cure.
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I am still reeling from watching PBS program Prison Town... Susanville, California...a program about four families , on TV this week.
One family passing through on way to work in another state, with hungry children and NO $$$$$$$$. The father stole bread, tuna, mac and cheese, .....OK $40 worth of food from a store. How much time did the young man get in Calif State Prison??????
16 MONTHS...........the wife also got arrested and the children were put in foster care for a time. The program followed them through the man finishing parole and getting out of the GOD FORSAKEN PLACE.
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"low-level drug offenders"
Now, I'm all for legalizing drugs, but lets be honest when reporting the facts of the case. The number of prescription Vicadins Gore was carrying implies he was a dealer, which carries a far heavier penalty than personal use.
"The Orange Country District Attorney's office said in a statement Mr Gore had been charged with two felony counts of possessing a controlled substance and two misdemeanor counts of possessing a drug without a prescription.
He also faces an additional misdemeanor count of marijuana possession as well as a traffic offense for speeding."
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/
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Posted by: blitzmesser on Jul 26, 2007 8:50 PM
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Exactly.
In my book: no one should go to prison for drug usage, or whatever you call it. Drug usage is personal and has nothing to do with the government, which should have no role, whatsoever, interfering with our choices.
If we are not violating any persons, property, or animal, , there should be no crime mentioned.
Prisons are for rapists, murderes, etc. (Including rapist clergy)
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He's lucky reckless endangerment was not on the list of charges. And even more fortunate that he did not have a longer chance to kill some one. The police may have saved more than one life.
Plus he had fairly dangerous drugs with him. When was the last time a MJ smoker was busted for speeding? I don't mean a dealer selling criminal (gang member, mob, ect.) who pushes other drugs as well as MJ, but a regular citizen who likes to toke up. Few MJ users endanger people's lives on the freeway. Usually MJ users drive too slow, if they drive at all.
Gore should do some time, but for the way he was driving. I agree that the drug war should be ended. I am an activist to that end. But when consumers take it to the streets at 100 mph, they have entered the public arena. No one has the right to get high & drive that way. I believe in moderation & responsibility. Young Al showed neither or he would not have been arrested.
If we are not responsible, wise & prudent, the RE legalize movement will be be badly hampered by us who fight for the lost, stupid, draconian, $$ wasting drug war to end. We will be our own worst enemies.
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Posted by: Conservasaurus on Jul 26, 2007 5:45 AM
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That along with his various other "run in's" with the law involving DUI, and drug possession as noted below suggests that he should get the same treatment that Brittney, and Lohan and Richie received. I wonder though if he were a poor black person would he be thrown in jail. Because he's Gores son and rich, he'll be sent to that beautiful rehab center "Promises".
Some Background
In August 2000, he was ticketed for going 97 mph in a 55-mph zone in North Carolina, and had his driving privileges suspended.
Two years later, he was cited for DUI in Virginia. He eventually pleaded guilty and was sentenced to one year's probation.
And in December 2003, Gore was arrested for marijuana possession in Maryland after he was pulled over for driving with his headlights off. He was sentenced to drug counseling in that case.
no doubt he's as out of control as many young wealthy people with little on their minds except how to party.. He shouldn't get special treatment, but he will..rehab is a given but rarely works the first, second or third time. Jail time is useless, unless he intended to distribute all those pills!!! Maybe he can room with Brittney and co..party on!!
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Posted by: vasumurti on Jul 26, 2007 6:59 AM
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Former Green Party political activist Jeanne Besanceney (of the San Francisco Vegetarian Society) has written about the negative effect a flesh-centered diet has on our health, and that beginning in childhood, most Americans are "hooked on sugar, caffeine, alcohol...cigarettes."
Dr. John MacDougall similarly advocates a strictly vegan diet with no oils, sugar, salt, caffeine, alcohol or tobacco in The MacDougall Plan (1983). I've been drug, alcohol, and caffeine free, except chocolate :) for 16 years now.
But just as there are millions of Americans who don't drink, but who don't have a problem with other people drinking, or with alcohol being legal, so I also don't have a problem with people around me using mild forms of intoxication, such as alcohol, caffeine, tobacco AND marijuana.
Over 400,000 marijuana arrests are made annually, costing the nation billions of dollars in police and court time and prison space.
Richard Posner, Chicago's chief federal appeals judge, and one of the nation's leading legal scholars, says marijuana should be legalized as a way of reducing crime. "It is nonsense that we should be devoting so many law enforcement resources to marijuana," said Posner.
"I am skeptical that a society that is so tolerant of alcohol and cigarettes should come down so hard on marijuana use and send people to prison for life without parole...Only decriminalization is a sure route to a lower crime rate. It is sad that it appears so far below the horizon of political feasibility."
Prostitution was legal in ancient India for the same reason the Prohibition of alcohol failed in the United States.
Commenting on Srimad Bhagavatam 1.11.19, A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami writes:
"By tricks of chance, one may be obliged to adopt a profession which is not very adorable in society...even in those days, about five thousand years ago, there were prostitutes in a city like Dwarka...This means that prostitutes are necessary citizens for the proper upkeep of society.
"The government opens wine shops, but this does not mean that the government encourages the drinking of wine. The idea is that there is a class of men who will drink at any cost, and it has been experienced that prohibition in great cities encouraged illicit smuggling of wine.
"Similarly, men who are not satisfied at home require such concessions...It is better that prostitutes be available in the marketplace so that the sanctity of society can be maintained."
Again, I sympathize with Al Gore III.
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Posted by: Michael Boldin on Jul 26, 2007 8:44 AM
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Instead, the politicians who thrive off this - make these decisions for you.
But, prohibition doesn't work. Didn't this country learn that from alcohol?? It drives up prices, doesn't end usage, and creates black markets, criminal elements and violence.
The best way to deal with drugs is to end this insane "war" on your personal freedom. now.
If you'd like to read more:
"7 Ways to Make Your Neighborhood Safer" - click here
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Having said that however, treatment should always be preferred to jail, because jail is just a revolving door designed to enrich the jailer.
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Not that I am a fan of Shrub or his henchmen, just thought I would point that out. I also think that rehab would be the logical thing to do in these situations, so it is not as if I oppose the California laws regarding this. Again, just pointing out what would happen if the shoe was on the other foot.
Oh, one more thing...being in possession of 124 vicoden in your car suggests intent to distribute. It's not like they were at his house, they were in his car with him. Why would one carry around 124 vicoden? Because one is going to give them away/sell them. Or maybe he is just an idiot. Something rehab cannot cure.
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I am still reeling from watching PBS program Prison Town... Susanville, California...a program about four families , on TV this week.
One family passing through on way to work in another state, with hungry children and NO $$$$$$$$. The father stole bread, tuna, mac and cheese, .....OK $40 worth of food from a store. How much time did the young man get in Calif State Prison??????
16 MONTHS...........the wife also got arrested and the children were put in foster care for a time. The program followed them through the man finishing parole and getting out of the GOD FORSAKEN PLACE.
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Posted by: YogiBear on Jul 26, 2007 4:18 PM
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"low-level drug offenders"
Now, I'm all for legalizing drugs, but lets be honest when reporting the facts of the case. The number of prescription Vicadins Gore was carrying implies he was a dealer, which carries a far heavier penalty than personal use.
"The Orange Country District Attorney's office said in a statement Mr Gore had been charged with two felony counts of possessing a controlled substance and two misdemeanor counts of possessing a drug without a prescription.
He also faces an additional misdemeanor count of marijuana possession as well as a traffic offense for speeding."
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/
0,21985,22109459-5005961,00.html
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Posted by: blitzmesser on Jul 26, 2007 8:50 PM
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Exactly.
In my book: no one should go to prison for drug usage, or whatever you call it. Drug usage is personal and has nothing to do with the government, which should have no role, whatsoever, interfering with our choices.
If we are not violating any persons, property, or animal, , there should be no crime mentioned.
Prisons are for rapists, murderes, etc. (Including rapist clergy)
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Posted by: SamFox on Jul 26, 2007 9:26 PM
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He's lucky reckless endangerment was not on the list of charges. And even more fortunate that he did not have a longer chance to kill some one. The police may have saved more than one life.
Plus he had fairly dangerous drugs with him. When was the last time a MJ smoker was busted for speeding? I don't mean a dealer selling criminal (gang member, mob, ect.) who pushes other drugs as well as MJ, but a regular citizen who likes to toke up. Few MJ users endanger people's lives on the freeway. Usually MJ users drive too slow, if they drive at all.
Gore should do some time, but for the way he was driving. I agree that the drug war should be ended. I am an activist to that end. But when consumers take it to the streets at 100 mph, they have entered the public arena. No one has the right to get high & drive that way. I believe in moderation & responsibility. Young Al showed neither or he would not have been arrested.
If we are not responsible, wise & prudent, the RE legalize movement will be be badly hampered by us who fight for the lost, stupid, draconian, $$ wasting drug war to end. We will be our own worst enemies.
SamFox
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