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Five Ways Bush's Era of Repression Has Stolen Your Liberties Since 9/11
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To those who scare peace-loving people with phantoms of lost liberty, my message is this: Your tactics only aid terrorists. ... They give ammunition to America's enemies, and pause to America's friends.Today's America is a much less free place than the America of 2000. Following the attacks of September 11, 2001, the Bush administration has, by word and by deed, erected an edifice of repression here in the United States.
-- former attorney general John Ashcroft
You're either with us or against us. -- George W. Bush
We've been living in it ever since. And it's not a comfortable place. The government is monitoring your phone calls and can read your e-mails and open your snail mail.
The government can access records of your large financial transactions, such as buying a house.
Law enforcement officers can bust into your home when you're not there, riffle through your belongings, plant a recording device on your computer, and leave without notifying you for at least thirty days -- and maybe a lot more.
You no longer have the right to protest where the president or vice president can see you, or at major public events when they aren't even present.
Law enforcement officers can now monitor you in public if you are merely exercising your political rights.
They can infiltrate your political organizations.
And they can keep track of you at your place of worship. The government can find out from bookstores and libraries the material you've been reading, and the bookstore owner and the librarian can't talk about it, except to their lawyers, for a whole year -- or more.
The government can hold you in preventive detention for months on end as a "material witness."
If you're not a citizen the government can deport you on a technicality or for mere political association.
If you're not a citizen the government can label you an "enemy combatant" and send you to secret prisons around the world, where you may never see the light of day again -- much less a lawyer or a judge. And even if you are a citizen, the government can label you an enemy combatant and hold you in solitary confinement here in the United States.
Under George W. Bush's interpretation of the president's powers during the so-called war on terror he can do just about whatever he wants. He cites the Authorization for Use of Military Force bill, which Congress passed on September 18, 2001, as the justification for this enormous leeway.
"Congress gave me the authority to use necessary force to protect the American people, but it didn't prescribe the tactics,"Bush said in a speech at Kansas State University on January 23, 2006. Those tactics, he presumes, are totally up to him. Under this rationale Bush could send F-16s to attack a residential area in, say, Indianapolis if he thought Al Qaeda suspects were there.
Lest you think I'm exaggerating, check out the February 13, 2006, issue of Newsweek:
A Justice Department official suggested that in certain circumstances, the President might have the power to order the killing of terrorist suspects inside the United States. ... Steven Bradbury, acting head of the department's office of Legal Counsel, went to a closed-door Senate Intelligence committee meeting last week to defend President George W. Bush's surveillance program. During the briefing, said Administration and Capitol Hill officials (who declined to be identified because the session was private), California Democratic Sen. Dianne Feinstein asked Bradbury questions about the ex- tent of Presidential powers to fight Al Qaeda; could Bush, for instance, order the killing of a Qaeda suspect known to be on U.S. soil? Bradbury replied that he believed Bush could indeed do this, at least in certain circumstances.Yes, the U.S. government has a primary obligation to protect us all from another attack. But there needs to be a legal limit; there needs to be a respect for our Constitution and our liberties. Otherwise, as Senator Russ Feingold pointed out, "this country won't be America."
What the Bush administration did after 9/11 was not to engage in precise police work to find any would-be terrorists in our midst. Instead, it issued edicts and enacted laws that curtailed all of our freedoms. And it cast a gigantic dragnet over Arabs and Muslims in this country, treating many of them with a de facto presumption of guilt. To put those experiences in context we need to examine how the Bush administration constructed the edifice of repression.
It got the job done, in part, by blasting those who dared to dissent. When the president's former press secretary Ari Fleischer told people they should "watch what they say" after comedian Bill Maher on ABC's Politically Incorrect dared to question the label of "cowards" that Bush had slapped on the suicide bombers, it sent a message. As did the canceling of Maher's show. As did Bush's repeated assertion that "you're either with us or against us."
The message was clear: If you dissent you're un-American, you're a traitor.
And that message went down the ranks.
"You can make an easy kind of link that, if you have a protest group protesting a war where the cause that's being fought against is international terrorism, you might have terrorism at that protest, "Mike Van Winkle, spokesman for the California Anti-Terrorism Information Center, told the Oakland Tribune in 2003. "You can almost argue that a protest against that is a terrorist act."
Celebrity dissenters, such as Susan Sarandon, Tim Robbins, Sean Penn, Linda Ronstadt, and the Dixie Chicks, all felt the sting of reprobation. The attacks on them reinforced the idea in the air that if you speak out, you'll pay a price. Gradually, as Bush's popularity has faded, his power to regulate the cultural thermostat has diminished.
But the Bush administration's efforts have gone way beyond chilly climate control. Breathtaking in its audaciousness, the administration has implemented, of ten by fiat, an amazing array of repressive policies that still stand. These policies deprive us of some of our most precious freedoms and threaten the very character of our democratic system. This repression has not been indiscriminate. For the most part white, non-Muslim U.S. citizens have not felt the full brunt of it. But for many Muslim and Arab and South Asian immigrants in America, citizen or not, America became inhospitable overnight. Their quality of life, their sense of security, has never been the same.
1. The Ashcroft raids
Just as the rounding up of ten thousand immigrants and radicals from 1918 to 1921 became known as the Palmer Raids, after Attorney General A. Mitchell Palmer, so too should the roundups after September 11 be called the Ashcroft Raids.
John Ashcroft, who served as attorney general from 2001 to 2005, sent law enforcement officers around the country to seize Muslims and Arabs in the United States and to hold them on whatever conceivable pretext. As David Cole notes in Enemy Aliens, this was a policy of "mass preventive detention." In the first two months after 9/11 the Ashcroft Raids had rounded up more than 1,182 people. (The Justice Department stopped reporting numbers after that.) Some were citizens; the majority were not.
Ashcroft sent law enforcement agents all over the country to nab immigrants on the slightest offenses. As he told the U.S. Conference of Mayors on October 25, 2001, "Let the terrorists among us be warned: If you overstay your visa -- even by one day -- we will arrest you. If you violate a local law, you will be put in jail and kept in custody as long as possible. We will use every available statute. We will seek every prosecutorial advantage."
Some Arabs and Muslims in the United States were apprehended solely on "anonymous tips called in by members of the public suspicious of Arab and Muslim neighbors who kept odd schedules," according to a June 2003 report of the Justice Department's office of the Inspector General titled "A Review of the Treatment of Aliens Held on Immigration Charges in Connection with the Investigation of the September 11 Attacks." One such detainee worked at a grocery store run by Middle Eastern men that was open twenty-four hours a day, and someone called that in as a threat, the report says. Three other Middle Eastern men were stopped in Manhattan on a traffic violation. In their car were design plans for a public school. Even though "their employers confirmed that the men were working on construction at the school and that it was appropriate for them to have the plans," they were detained.
"The Department was detaining aliens on immigration violations that generally had not been enforced in the past," the report noted. And it was detaining them for long periods of time, without the usual due process.
Before 9/11, the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) had a practice of charging detainees within forty-eight hours of their arrests. After the attacks, the INS changed that to seventy-two hours and added a huge loophole: "In the event of an emergency or other extraordinary circumstances, the charging decision could be made within an additional reasonable period of time," the inspector general's report said. That period was not specified, so there was no outer limit. More than 100 detainees were not charged within the first 10 days of detention, and five detainees waited "approximately 168 days after their arrest" to be charged. These delays "affected the detainees' ability to obtain effective legal counsel."
The detainees were held without bond. Many were labeled in an "indiscriminate and haphazard manner" by the FBI, making it difficult "to distinguish between aliens who it actually suspected of having a connection to terrorism as opposed to aliens who, while possibly guilty of violating federal immigration law, had no connection to terrorism." Many were held in the most restrictive wings of detention facilities.
And for the first "several days to several weeks" they were held incommunicado, not allowed to make any calls to lawyers or loved ones. On average, the FBI held these detainees for 80 days before clearing them. One was actually held for 244 days: "The untimely clearance process had enormous ramifications for September 11 detainees." One of those ramifications was brutalization.
At the Metropolitan Detention Center in Manhattan "there is evidence supporting the detainees' claims of abuse," the inspector general's report concluded. Detainees said officers "slammed them into walls, dragged them by their arms, stepped on the chain between their ankle cuffs ... and twisted their arms, hands, wrists, and fingers." One detainee said that "an officer bent his finger back until it touched his wrist. Another said that "officers repeatedly twisted his arm, which was in a cast."
The Ashcroft Raids included not only the initial dragnet after September 11 but two other dragnets. One was the Absconder Apprehension Initiative. This program expressly targeted Arabs and Muslims for deportation, even though they made up only a tiny fraction of "the more than 300,000 foreign nationals living here with outstanding deportation orders," Cole writes in Enemy Aliens. The other was the Special Registration program, which ordered immigrant men from predominantly Muslim or Arab countries to report to the immigration service. According to Cole, these three dragnets combined rounded up more than 5,000 people. With nothing to show for it.
"This program has been a colossal failure at finding terrorists," Cole writes, "of the more than 5,000 persons subjected to preventive detention as of May 2003, not one has been charged with any involvement in the crimes of September 11."
The Center for Constitutional Rights filed a class-action lawsuit on behalf of "male non-citizens from the Middle East, South Asia, and elsewhere who are Arab or Muslim or have been perceived by Defendants to be Arab or Muslim, who have been arrested and detained on minor immigration violations" after 9/11. The suit, Turkmen v. Ashcroft, charged that their First, Fourth, Fifth, and Sixth Amendment rights were violated.
On June 14, 2006, District Judge John Gleeson dismissed the plaintiffs' claims, except those relating to the conditions of their confinement. He ruled that it was OK for the government to hold the detainees essentially on a pretext -- a minor immigration infraction -- when, in fact, they were holding them for other purposes. He said that it was OK for the government to hold detainees for six months -- and sometimes longer -- after a judge has issued a determination to deport. In fact, he said, the government could hold them so long as their release was "reasonably foreseeable" -- an exceptionally elastic term. And he said that it was OK for the government to discriminate on the basis of race, religion, and/or national origin by holding Muslim and Arab detainees longer than others. The judge cited a Supreme Court case (Reno v. American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee) that said that the discrimination needs to be "so outrageous"as to overcome the deference owed to the executive branch in immigration matters.
Judge Gleeson said there was nothing outrageous about the alleged discrimination in this case.
As Cole, who worked on the case with the Center for Constitutional Rights, pointed out in a Los Angeles Times piece, "In essence, he authorized a repeat of the Japanese internment."
2. Abuse of Material Witness Statute
The Bush administration has used another technique for holding people -- primarily but not exclusively noncitizens -- in preventive detention. And that is by aggressively and speciously applying the 1984 material witness statute. This law allows the government to detain a witness in a criminal case if it's likely that this person would flee before testifying.
As Nat Hentoff wrote in The Progressive, this statute was "largely intended to prevent members of organized crime from fleeing." But the Bush administration used it to detain about four dozen people whom it viewed as suspects but did not have sufficient evidence to charge with any crime or immigration violation. Some were held for more than three months, according to the Justice Department. "Jailing people who are simply under investigation is a hallmark of an authoritarian regime," District Judge Shira Scheindlin ruled on April 30, 2002, in a case involving Osama Awadallah, a Jordanian student who was here legally but whose phone number was found in one of the 9/11 hijackers' cars. "If the government has probable cause to believe a person has committed a crime, it may arrest that person," Judge Scheindlin said. But misusing the material witness statute poses "the threat of making detention the norm and liberty the exception."
3. Enemy combatants and "extraordinary renditions"
Another mechanism for depriving people -- citizen and noncitizen alike -- of their rights is to label them "enemy combatants."And that's what the Bush administration has been doing. It's held more than six hundred prisoners at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, as enemy combatants, and it has held others the same way in Iraq and Afghanistan and in secret CIA prisons around the world. Using the ridiculous euphemism of "extraordinary renditions," the United States has seized hundreds of individuals and shipped them off to countries notorious for torture.
In the process the Bush administration has deprived these detainees of their due process rights and denied them protection under the Geneva Conventions. In the Supreme Court's 2006 decision in Hamdan v. Rumsfeld, Justice John Paul Stevens, writing for the majority, ruled that Common Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions applies. That article requires trials by a "regularly constituted court, affording all the judicial guarantees which are recognized as indispensable by civilized peoples." Common Article 3 also prohibits "violence to life and person, in particular murder of all kinds, mutilation, cruel treatment and torture," as well as "outrages upon personal dignity, in particular humiliating and degrading treatment." (Similarly, Article 75, Fundamental Guarantees, of the 1977 protocol to the Geneva Conventions states unambiguously: "Persons who are in the power of a Party to the conflict and who do not benefit from more favorable treatment under the Conventions or under this Protocol shall be treated humanely in all circumstances.")
Essentially, the Bush administration claims the authority to seize any individual anywhere in the world, label that person an enemy combatant, and send him off to some prison in this remote corner or that, there to languish forever.
The Bush administration has used the enemy combatant label not only against foreign nationals but against U.S. citizens, too. The administration held both Yasser Hamdi and José Padilla for more than two years, of ten in solitary confinement, in military brigs, and denied them their due process rights. They were held incommunicado and not charged with any crimes.
In one of its sillier arguments the Bush administration even claimed that it was holding Hamdi, who was picked up on a battlefield in Afghanistan, for his own benefit. The president, the government said in its Supreme Court brief, has "the authority to engage in the time-honored and humanitarian practice of detaining enemy combatants captured in connection with the conflict, as opposed to subjecting such combatants to the more harmful consequences of war"(italics in original).
Padilla, however, wasn't captured on the battlefield like Hamdi. He was collared at O'Hare Airport in Chicago. "By imprisoning Padilla without a hearing of any sort and without producing any evidence against him, the executive branch has taken one of the most drastic steps in our nation's history," writes Barbara Olshansky in America's Disappeared.(The italics in that quotation are hers.)
As it has with much of its overreaching, the Bush administration argued in the Hamdi and Padilla cases that the president's commander-in-chief powers in Article II of the Constitution give him the authority to designate citizens as enemy combatants and deprive them of due process. "You have to recognize that in a situation where there is a war, where the government is on a war footing, that you have to trust the executive," argued Paul Clement in Hamdi. Clement was deputy solicitor general at the time, and subsequently became solicitor general. Astonishingly, under questioning from the justices, Clement claimed that the president had this power to declare U.S. citizens enemy combatants even when there is no war. "The president had that authority on September tenth," Clement told the justices.
The Supreme Court disagreed, even about executive powers during wartime. As it said in the Hamdi decision, "A state of war is not a blank check for the President."
And in June 2006, in Rasul v. Bush, a case brought by Guantánamo detainees, the Supreme Court also ordered the government to give those detainees some due process protections. Nevertheless, the administration has dragged its feet.
As for Hamdi, the United States released and deported him in October 2004. As for Padilla, the Supreme Court decided not to rule on his original case, since they said his lawyers filed it in the wrong district. Then, rather than let the Supreme Court rule on his designation as an enemy combatant and risk repudiation, the Bush administration finally charged him with three crimes -- more than three years after detaining him.
Justice John Paul Stevens, in the original Padilla case, let his views be known on the gravity of the matter. "At stake in the case is nothing less than the essence of a free society," he wrote. "Unconstrained Executive detention for the purpose of investigating and preventing subversive activity is the hallmark of the Star Chamber."
4. Watering down the Levi guidelines: A boon for domestic spying
The Church Committee hearings (named after Senator Frank Church of Idaho) in 1974 and 1975 revealed widespread FBI spying on political dissidents. One of the FBI's most notorious counterintelligence programs was called COINTELPRO, which infiltrated and disrupted the Black Panthers and the American Indian Movement, among other groups. In response to the revelations President Gerald Ford had his attorney general, Edward Levi, draw up guidelines to limit such activities in the future. The 1976 Levi guidelines prohibited the FBI from investigating the First Amendment activities of individuals and groups that weren't advocating violence. And, mindful of the role of FBI agents provocateurs in the 1960s, the guidelines outlawed the disruption of groups and the discrediting of individuals engaged in lawful First Amendment activities. Domestic spying could occur only when there was "specific and articulable facts" that indicated criminal activity.
Under the Reagan administration and that of Bush Senior, these guidelines were loosened somewhat. Then came Ashcroft. On May 30, 2002, he threw out the need to demonstrate any connection to criminal activity. Ashcroft's guidelines allow the FBI "to engage in searches and monitoring of chat rooms, bulletin boards, and websites without evidence of criminal wrongdoing," notes the Electronic Privacy Information Center. "Additionally, agents are permitted to visit public places and events to monitor individuals' activities with no predicate of criminal suspicion. These powers are not limited to terrorism investigations." What's more, Ashcroft's guidelines "allow FBI agents to use private-sector databases prospectively in order to predict terrorist acts. These databases may be used without any evidence of criminal activity or suspicious behavior. The FBI can now go on data mining 'fishing trips.'"
And it's not just the FBI. Since 9/11, agents from the campus police all the way up to the National Guard and the Pentagon have gotten into the domestic snooping game. Much of the gathering of domestic intelligence has been done by joint terrorism task forces that bring together state and local law enforcement with the FBI.
A story that MSNBC broke on December 14, 2005, told how the Pentagon had been busy spying on antiwar groups. The Pentagon's own database lists forty-three events in a six-month period alone, dating from November 11, 2004, to May 7, 2005. Pentagon political spying took place in the following states and the District of Columbia: Arizona, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Florida, Georgia, Illinois, Louisiana, Massachusetts, Nebraska, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Texas, Vermont, and Wisconsin. On January 17, 2007, the ACLU revealed that the Pentagon had monitored at least 186 antimilitary protests.
5. Listening in on lawyer-prisoner conversations
Here's one of the violations of our civil liberties that has received little attention: If you're in federal custody you no longer can assume that you have the right to confidential communications with your lawyer.
On October 31, 2001, Ashcroft issued a regulation that allows the Justice Department at its own discretion and authority to eavesdrop on the lawyer-client conversations of anyone in its custody, so long as the attorney general says there is "reasonable suspicion"that the person in custody may use such conversations "to further or facilitate acts of terrorism." Prior to this, the only way prosecutors could eavesdrop on such communications was to demonstrate "probable cause" before a judge that the prisoner was using his discussions with counsel to further a criminal purpose. Under the Ashcroft regulation probable cause is no longer the standard. And Ashcroft unilaterally discarded the obligation of going to a judge. Now the executive branch itself makes the decision as to whether to listen in or not.
How can you possibly defend yourself and plan your legal strategy with your lawyer if the prosecutors are listening in?
"This regulation is an unprecedented frontal assault on the attorney-client privilege, and on the right to counsel and the right of access to the courts guaranteed by the Constitution," Nadine Strossen, president of the ACLU, testified to the Senate Judiciary Committee on December 4, 2001.
© 2007 by Matthew Rothschild. This piece is excerpted from You Have No Rights: Stories of America in an Age of Repression (The New Press, July 4, 2007). Published with the permission of The New Press and available at good book stores everywhere.
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Posted by: Michael Boldin on Jul 24, 2007 12:11 AM
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Rights are not taken at the point when they're physically violated or restricted, but rather, at the point in time when power is created that allows politicians to take them in the future.
Bush and this criminal gang have usurped great powers, and even if nothing has personally happened to you, it's still of grave concern to all Americans.
Of course, there are many who live their lives in fear - that claim we need to do this to protect the country. But, terrorism will never, ever destroy this country. It can't. If our liberty is destroyed, our way of life ended - it will come from within. It will come from politicians like Bush, who believe in their ultimate power far more than your freedom.
That's my rant on the subject. Some further reading here:
"You Are Destroying America. Yes, You." - click here
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Posted by: Lector on Jul 24, 2007 1:14 AM
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In America, people are wondering whether we will devolve into a police state. Well, it certainly looks like one now. The effect of lost civil liberties hasn’t been felt by everyone yet. And like Boldin says, we are our own worst enemy. But now that Americans have lost so many liberties, it's doubtful we will ever get them back out of the kindness of the hearts of those fanatics who took them away.
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Posted by: Suzon on Jul 24, 2007 3:43 AM
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Thus, it is very rare for police to be prosecuted for wrongdoing and unknown for company executives to be prosecuted for fraud (corporations also having immunity). The military can do no wrong. Lawyers and judges can do no wrong. Wouldn't do to embarrass the Queen.
The UK is sometimes thought of as the 51st state, but under the present administration, the US has returned to being an English colony. "King George" says it all.
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Then voted with the Republican Nazis, fully one third of them, to deny detainees their right to a trial, charges, and review in a court. This cowardly appeasing fascist support by many democrats goes hand in hand with their support of Bush's Empire in the Middle East.
Many of the democrats, as a result of their votes in Congress, are complicit war criminals, and warmongerers, especially the corporate democrats, that the corporate media coronates as their class thugs to represent both Amerikan fascist foreign policies and the Zionist policies that justify the criminal policies of Israel. War and dictatorship usually go hand in hand, and many of the people, democrats, voted for nuclear war against Iran, by giving Bush, permission to do so in advance, cowering, groveling at the feet of AIPAC, the Israeli lobby, that corrupts and threatens them if they are not sufficiently fascist in their support of Israel.
The recent support of most democrats in Lieberman' resolution, is another example of the fascist, class nationalism, class ideology that democrats are party to. Hillary, Obama, and most of the democrats should not even run for office, as they are just as guilty of their support of the war and its financed occupation. So why is the corporate media cheerleading their class rot, in the same they lied us into the war. Because many of you out there will not think for yourself, women voting for women, minorities voting for minorities, no matter how servile, rotten and appeasing they are to the very polcies that hurt the majority position against the war in Iraq. You get what you deserve. Vote for complicit war criminals who voted for fascist legislation, and you get the Colin Powells, Condaleeza Rices's, Gonzales's, on in the Democratic version of Hillaries, Obama's, etc.
We have moved towards dictatorship because of the class thugs, but even more because of the class appeasing democrats, who like the Socialist party in the Weimar regime, opened the back door for fascism, and Hitler, only to be swept off the stage and into the prisons camps, their own complicity did them in. Ditto for the whoring Democrats.
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Posted by: shangrilalad on Jul 24, 2007 4:29 AM
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The Presidential order gives the administration the power to freeze assets of any person or entity considered to be "undermining" efforts to stabilize Iraq.
Executive Order: Blocking Property of Certain Persons Who Threaten Stabilization Efforts in Iraq
Office of the Press Secretary
Tuesday 17 July 2007
Fact sheet: Message to the Congress of the United States Regarding International Emergency Economic Powers Act
By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including the International Emergency Economic Powers Act, as amended (50 U.S.C. 1701 et seq.)(IEEPA), the National Emergencies Act (50 U.S.C. 1601 et seq.)(NEA), and section 301 of title 3, United States Code,
I, GEORGE W. BUSH, President of the United States of America, find that, due to the unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security and foreign policy of the United States posed by acts of violence threatening the peace and stability of Iraq and undermining efforts to promote economic reconstruction and political reform in Iraq and to provide humanitarian assistance to the Iraqi people, it is in the interests of the United States to take additional steps with respect to the national emergency declared in Executive Order 13303 of May 22, 2003, and expanded in Executive Order 13315 of August 28, 2003, and relied upon for additional steps taken in Executive Order 13350 of July 29, 2004, and Executive Order 13364 of November 29, 2004. I hereby order:
Section 1. (a) Except to the extent provided in section 203(b)(1), (3), and (4) of IEEPA (50 U.S.C. 1702(b)(1), (3), and (4)), or in regulations, orders, directives, or licenses that may be issued pursuant to this order, and notwithstanding any contract entered into or any license or permit granted prior to the date of this order, all property and interests in property of the following persons, that are in the United States, that hereafter come within the United States, or that are or hereafter come within the possession or control of United States persons, are blocked and may not be transferred, paid, exported, withdrawn, or otherwise dealt in: any person determined by the Secretary of the Treasury, in consultation with the Secretary of State and the Secretary of Defense,
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Posted by: shangrilalad on Jul 24, 2007 4:40 AM
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Sec. 5. For those persons whose property and interests in property are blocked pursuant to this order who might have a constitutional presence in the United States, I find that, because of the ability to transfer funds or other assets instantaneously, prior notice to such persons of measures to be taken pursuant to this order would render these measures ineffectual. I therefore determine that for these measures to be effective in addressing the national emergency declared in Executive Order 13303 and expanded in Executive Order 13315, there need be no prior notice of a listing or determination made pursuant to section 1(a) of this order.
Sec. 6. The Secretary of the Treasury, in consultation with the Secretary of State and the Secretary of Defense, is hereby authorized to take such actions, including the promulgation of rules and regulations, and to employ all powers granted to the President by IEEPA as may be necessary to carry out the purposes of this order. The Secretary of the Treasury may redelegate any of these functions to other officers and agencies of the United States Government, consistent with applicable law. All agencies of the United States Government are hereby directed to take all appropriate measures within their authority to carry out the provisions of this order and, where appropriate, to advise the Secre tary of the Treasury in a timely manner of the measures taken.
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Posted by: shangrilalad on Jul 24, 2007 4:44 AM
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Sec. 7. Nothing in this order is intended to affect the continued effectiveness of any rules, regulations, orders, licenses, or other forms of administrative action issued, taken, or continued in effect heretofore or hereafter under 31 C.F.R. chapter V, except as expressly terminated, modified, or suspended by or pursuant to this order.
Sec. 8. This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right, benefit, or privilege, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, instrumentalities, or entities, its officers or employees, or any other person.
GEORGE W. BUSH
THE WHITE HOUSE,
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Americans have been deluged with Bush’s Executive Orders, but this one is truly ominous. How many Americans remember that Hitler stripped Jews of their wealth, property and means of making a living before he began exterminating them? Republicans seem to be following the Nazi blueprint to impose a fascist dictatorship.
The astonishing thing about Bush’s many Executive Orders, is that they are ignored by the Monopoly Media and Democrats. None of his “Signing Statements” or “Executive Orders” have been discussed or explained by anyone. Does anyone know what they mean? Most of these “Signing Statements” and “Executive Orders” are so disingenuous, complicated and convoluted, it takes a Chinese Lawyer to decypher what they mean.
Who will finally decide the “Decider” has decided way beyond what was his to decide?
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» All of them are illegal anyway..... they violate the Constitution and thus we are free.....
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Posted by: JSquercia on Jul 24, 2007 4:44 AM
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Conservative Republican his name is Fein makes a GREAT case for impeaching BOTH Cheney AND Bush citing precisely the kind of evidence contained in this article and yet STILL the Media remains silent as our rights are stripped away . He derides the Congress for NOT stepping up to their Constitutional RESPONSIBLITY to provide a check on the Executive Branch . He reminds us of the days when the members of his own Party told Nixon he should do the honorable thing and resign . Unfortunately there is no
such courage among today's Republicans and no such honor in either Bush or Cheney . He notes that Nixon ALLOWED
John Dean the White House Council to testify before Congress . Contrast this with Bush's refusal to allow any of his aides to appear before the Congress . Especially Chilling was the testimony of Sarah Taylor who spoke of taking an Oath to Serve the President . Fein said it reminded him of
Germans who took an oath to the Fuhrer he reminded Ms Taylor that she swore to protect the CONSTITUTION not the President .
As Franklin said those who would trade their Liberty for a little Security desrve Neither .
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Posted by: skydog on Jul 24, 2007 5:20 AM
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This criminality must be repudiated. But Pelosi, for craven political reasons, claims that impeachment is "off the table." Meanwhile in the Senate, Harry "Faith Based Initiative" Reid won't even entertain Feingold's milquetoast censure resolution.
If Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid will not fulfill their duty to protect and defend the Constitution, they should likewise be removed from office for violating their oath. The time to the end of Bush's term is completely one hundred percent irrelevant. The 2008 election is completely one hundred percent irrelevant. They must be held to perform their sworn duty.
Perhaps we should be calling for the removal of Speaker Pelosi and Majority Leader Reid instead. Maybe then they'll get the message.
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Posted by: shangrilalad on Jul 24, 2007 5:54 AM
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Our elected Representatives don’t seem concerned about Bush’s lawlessness rampage, and they definitely aren’t interested in attempting to check his endless empowerment of himself at the expense of our “balance of powers” or constitution, but don’t worry, they’ve got rock solid plans to win the next election . . . forget Impeachment though.
The Problem is: All the King’s horses and All the King’s men, couldn’t put Humpty Dumpty together again.
It sure appears that Humpty has been dumped.
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Posted by: Maggieb on Jul 24, 2007 6:30 AM
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WAKE UP AMERICA!
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Posted by: wagadog on Jul 24, 2007 7:18 AM
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RIGHT ON!
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Posted by: LeftCoastProgressive on Jul 24, 2007 9:14 AM
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In America and throughout the world, people are watching while we dummingly dissolve into a police state. There are only a few voices raised in horror at what is happening. Most of the sheeple are traumatized and mesmerized by the everyday machinations. The effect of lost civil liberties hasn’t been felt by everyone. The everyday situations, where you will be slapped against a wall and bitch-searched and cuffed, are not prevalent yet. The appalling thing that can happen to any citizen will occur when they come to your door and haul you away for something you said or wrote. They will confiscate all your accounts and real holdings to feed their system. We have lost so many liberties already: court cases have been adjudicated, precedents have been set. It's doubtful we will ever get them back even with extreme persuance over decades.
Fein, the Conservative Republican (see the Bill Moyers PBS show) made a STRONG case for impeaching BOTH Cheney AND Bush citing and enumerating much evidence. There is no one with cajones in the MSM except Olbermann willing to use cable-waves to impale the creeps in office. Congress has a Constitutional RESPONSIBLITY to provide a check on the Executive Branch . What are they doing? Where are they? This IS the MOST IMPORTANT reason for being in Congress at this time!
Bush has refused to allow any of his aides to appear before the Congress. The most depraved cupidity was the testimony of Sarah Taylor. "I took an oath to Serve the President ." All government employees take oaths to protect the CONSTITUTION, NOT the President.
We cannot let these Constitution violating precedents to be handed to the next President. This loaded weapon must be destroyed!
The election in 2008 is completely irrelevant. Pelosi and Reid's duty is to impeach. If Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid will not fulfill their duty to protect and defend the Constitution, they must be removed from office for violating their oath. Now is the time to end Bush's reign.
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Posted by: Bobsays on Jul 24, 2007 9:15 AM
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I think it hasn't been perfect and many mistakes have been made. But on the whole, the only thing that has come close to ruining my day has been islamic fascists blowing themselves up on my way to work. I take all the snooping to stop that happening again. Oh, and by the way, why aren't we deporting these people?
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» While you're at it....
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Posted by: Bobsays on Jul 24, 2007 9:15 AM
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I think it hasn't been perfect and many mistakes have been made. But on the whole, the only thing that has come close to ruining my day has been islamic fascists blowing themselves up on my way to work. I take all the snooping to stop that happening again. Oh, and by the way, why aren't we deporting these people?
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Posted by: HughScott on Jul 24, 2007 9:40 AM
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“Senior Al Qaeda leaders sent to Iraq.”
“Al Qaeda in Iraq has foreign leadership.”
“Bush cites links between Al Qaeda groups.
“Al Qaeda in Iraq directed by foreigners”
“Bush asserts Iraq central to war on terror.”
“Bush: Al Qaeda fosters sectarian strife.”
“Bush” U.S. retreat would embolden Al Qaeda.”
One CNN banner quoted Bush as saying, “Al Qaeda is public enemy number one.”
Wrong, Mr. President. YOU are America’s public enemy number one. Otherwise, we would have eliminated Al Qaeda in Afghanistan four years ago instead of invading Iraq.
Case closed on the most incompetent commander-in-chief in U.S. history.
Hugh E. Scott, Vietnam vet and editor of the nonprofit investigative website, King-George.biz, which features the only hardcopy proof of White House corruption ever found on the Internet.
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Posted by: Sushi on Jul 24, 2007 10:58 AM
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Who is protecting us when our leaders are attacking the very freedoms our country represents?
While the blood of American's sons and daughters soak the sands of foreign soil, Americans are being terrorized back here at home by our own "leaders". Along with robbing us of our rights, we are also being robbed of our peace of mind (a "war of mind"?), our treasury and our futures.
Terrorists are not "taking our freedoms"...Bush is! We are living in a Bizarro World where our tormenters are posing as our protectors and saviours!
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Posted by: TJ-stars4peace on Jul 24, 2007 11:30 AM
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I just forward it to askdoj@usdoj.gov, this way I save them the trouble and the tax payers the expense of breaking into my apartment and all the rest..
Also I believe the more we "speak our mind and don't back down" the safer and stronger a nation and people we are..!
As the Great Frank Herbert told us:
"Fear is the Mind Killer..!"
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Posted by: Ghoulman on Jul 24, 2007 11:42 AM
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email is NOT private. Never was.
So this article doesn't pass muster for me. Try again.
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Posted by: solrev on Jul 24, 2007 11:56 AM
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Stop, hey - what's that sound? Everybody look what's going down..."
What happens in 2012 if everyone is still saying this same rhetoric? One of you journalist should get a copy of the Declaration of Independence and rewrite it. I did it on the fourth of July and I was amazed, a few words changed (one king for another) and a dropped line here and there, and you would swear it was written yesterday. Money talks and bullshit walks and they have the money.
"There's a man with the money over there...telling me I got to beware...
Stop, hey - what's that sound? Everybody look what's going down..."
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Posted by: MAD on Jul 24, 2007 12:50 PM
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2. It's all good cuz cheap shit from China is still that: cheap shit.
3. Most of us have health insurance so why won't those 50 million lazy, degenerate bastards without just die already??!!
4. Beckham and Posh are living in the US? Now? Oh fuck yeah!! I've been waiting so long for this moment!! Just what we need - another pair of Hollywood socialite dimwits to grace us with the next mindless reality TV show.
5. "I'll be voting for Hillary or Obama or Edwards cuz they just look better than that Kucinich guy".
I love how Alternet periodically rolls out these long winded tirades on how the Bush administration has stripped us of our liberties. What exactly are they talking about? Our right to continue ignoring the kleptocratic dictatorship that's in bed with big biz and has been for the last 50 years? Our right to replace some tired, Republican thugs with those from the Democratic party? (God forbid Americans take a 3rd route!) Our right to sit idly by whilst our fearless leader wipes his ass with the Constitution?
In our defense, I have to admit that we have been availing ourselves of this wondrous Democratic system in several capacities: the right to ambivalence, complacency, irrationality, fear mongering, rampant consumerism, etc.
Hate to say it, but the show's over folks. Roll up the carpets and hit the lights on the way out. This country is fucked and no Hillary or Obama is going to fix it. If you believe that, then you're merely part of the problem.
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Posted by: Crazy H on Jul 24, 2007 12:58 PM
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The slide started soon after - did you know that an animal-rights protest can be considered terrorism if it costs a company money? Even a peaceful protest, with no property damage - the defining element is money. So, now, anyone involved with PETA is automatically a 'terrorist' and can be shipped off to Gitmo at the whim of The Decider.
Not that I have any love for PETA, I wear leather and eat my steaks rare. But they are Americans and used to have the same rights as any of the rest of us.
How long will it be before you can be declared an 'enemy combatant' for paying off your credit card late? ...stealing a candy bar? ...voting for the wrong party?
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Posted by: edgar_michel on Jul 24, 2007 1:27 PM
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"My book Blowback was not noticed in the United States until after 9/11, when my suggestion that our covert policies abroad might be coming back to haunt us gained new meaning. Many Americans began to ask--as President Bush did--"Why do they hate us?" The answer was not that some countries hate us because of our democracy, wealth, lifestyle, or values, but because of things our government did to various peoples around the world. The counterblows directed against Americans seem, of course, as out of the blue as those airlines on that September morning because most Americans have no framework that would link cause and effect. The terrorist attacks of September 11 are the clearest examples of blowback in modern international relations. In the initial book in this trilogy, I never foresaw the terrorist nature of the attacks, nor the incredibly inept reaction of our government..."
"...Because Americans generally failed to consider seriously why we had been attacked on 9/11, the Bush administration was able to respond in a way that made the situation far worse. I believed at the time and feel no differently five years later that we should have treated the attacks as crimes against the innocent, not as acts of war. We should have proceeded against al-Qaeda the same way we might have against organized crime. It would have been wise to call what we were doing an "emergency," as the British did in fighting the Malay guerrillas in the 1950s, not a "war." The day after 9/11, Simon Jenkins, the former editor of the Times of London, insightfully wrote: "The message of yesterdays incident is that, for all its horror, it does not and must not be allowed to matter, It is a human disaster, an outrage, an atrocity, an unleashing of the madness of which the world will never be rid. But it is not politically significant. It does not tilt the balance of world power one inch. It is not an act of war. America's leadership of the West is not diminished by it. The cause of democracy is not damaged, unless we choose to let it be damaged."
Had we followed Jenkin's advice we could have retained the cooperation and trust of our democratic allies, remained the aggrieved party of 9/11, built criminal cases that would have stood up in any court of law, and won the hearts and minds of populations al-Qaeda was trying to mobilize. We would have avoided entirely Contravening the Geneva Conventions covering the treatment of prisoners of war and never have headed down the path of torturing people we picked up almost at random in Afghanistan and Iraq. The U.S. government would have had no need to lie to its own citizens and the rest of the world about the nonexistent nuclear threat posed by Iraq or carry out a phony preventive war against that country."
Chalmers Johnson presents a good case for the path not taken, which is the path of police action against the perpetrators of 9/11. But I contend that the reason that path was not taken is that a comprehensive forensics investigation would have ultimately led back to the Pentagon and the Whitehouse. They knew that blowback would be a plausible explanation for the attacks on 9/11. And they reasoned that if there was no investigation of 9/11 at all for a significant amount of time, then the assumption of blowback would become the settled perception of the cause of the attacks. It wasn't until the Family Steering Committee for the Investigation of the attacks on 9/11 forced the Whitehouse to investigate, that any serious facade of an effort to investigate actually commenced. But by then all the evidence had been carted out of the country and disposed of so that there really couldn't be a real investigation.
We need to impeach George W. Bush for obstruction of justice if nothing else, and the proceeding needs to begin now.
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Posted by: aurora2484 on Jul 24, 2007 4:10 PM
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B/ Who they consider is undermining economic events etc in Iraq.. (war protestors?)
www.whitehouse.gov:80/news/
releases/2007/07/20070717-3.html
Comments on this here:
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One line of response has been to effect that, "I wouldn't let them take .. "(home, car, bank acct, etc) "I'd fight them rather than let it go."
How do you defend your property if you've been arrested, - detained - possibly in a detention center? The way the law is written, it seems that if you end up in a detention center, your property will likely have been appropriated by the State - if you are released, there won't be much to return to.
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Posted by: gellero on Jul 24, 2007 9:46 PM
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Posted by: SJ on Jul 25, 2007 1:04 AM
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“Whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these [the rights of the population], it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness... [W]hen a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object, evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security.” (IT IS OUR DUTY)
THIS IS THE BOYSCOUTS OF AMERICAS SELF HELP 101 WHEN LOST IN THE FOREST SOLUTIONS TO GUIDE ONE TO SAFTEY. Standing armies is what our for fathers warned against and cut the apron strings from King George over. WE MAY HAVE COME FULL CIRCLE IN MANY RESPECTS. We are the only ones who can stop the abuse. As with the battered wife or spouse, otherwise the behavior escaltes to very unhealthy outcomes for the enslaved partner. Constant label changing and repetitve lies til people think of them as truth and dehumanized ethnic groups for the pupose to rape and pillage their lands under the guise of democracy, to only create and foster more terroism and elections are refered to as mere poles, rather than the voice of the american people. Were the last two presidential elections just public poles, LOL, not for them then. Silence and complacency will mean death for many and death for the people. Support a 3rd party now while your dollar is still worth the .03 cents it is valued at.
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"Now, surely, nothing but Universal Education can counter-work this tendency to the domination of capital and the servility of labor. If one class possesses all the wealth and the education, while the residue of society is poor and ignorant, it matters not by what name the relation between them may be called; the latter, in fact and in truth, will be the servile dependents and subjects of the former.... Education, then, beyond all other devices of human origin, is the great equalizer of the conditions of men-the balance-wheel of the social machinery."
Diary 85 quotes from a pastor in Nazi Germany who famously "summarized the outcome of what happens when no one takes a stand. 'They came for the trade unions, but I was not a trade unionist, so I didn't respond. Then they came for the Socialists, but I was not a Socialist, so I didn't respond. Then they came for the Jews and since I was not a Jew, I didn't respond. Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me.' Next to this quote was a picture of the concentration camp. I looked at that picture for a while repeating the words in my head. The more I thought about it, the more I cried."
Contrarily, they are winning at this war, as they remove the resistant Iraqi populace. The democrates provide dubious meaning less motions to try and appease the voters only to quickly approve the funding, after the veto on a worthless set of markers for withdrawal which only mean redeployment , keeping a massive presance in the area. Same as the retoric bring the troops home , really means only to the home base in Iraq off the Bagdad battle field. Silence will not be an option for those who care. Do what you can NOW, 08 IS TO LATE, DON'T TAKE THEIR BAIT. rEID SAYS THEYHAVE IMPORTANT WORKTO DO. LIKE PASS WAR FUNDING AND OTHER BILLS FOR THE KING TO VETO, AND MORE TAX BREAKS TO THE WEALTHY. MOST IMPORTANT A ANTI WARMOVEMENT TO DIVERT AND DISPELL.
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In a recent essay, I examine the history of U.S. executive privilege, from the framing of the Constitution to these latest power grabs. No, this is nothing new -- however, these loopholes have been enlarged so dramatically in the past five years as to constitute a threat to liberty greater than any yet attempted in this country. And the most drastic moves can be made under the declaration of a national emergency. This is where we see the newest directives pointing, and with the very recent intimations from Chertoff and others about a "spectacular" terror attack in the near future, we must speculate about the scenario being prepared for us.
Please find my essay at RealitySandwich.com for the full analysis.
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Out of all the legendary closers—Whirlaway, Stymie, and Needles before him, his contemporary Gallant Man, and Forego and John Henry after him—none could hang so far back, let the field get so far ahead, and then decide to overtake the rest of the runners like a bullet shot from a gun. Called the "California Comet" and ridden often in his career by the great Hall of Fame jockey, Willie Shoemaker, Silky once galloped along in a race until the field was 41 lengths in front of him—and still won by three lengths. To accomplish such heart-stopping feats, he had to clock the last quarter in 22 seconds flat. On one occasion, it was a hair over 20 seconds flat. His trainer, the West Coast veteran Reggie Cornell, said, "I've never seen a horse in my life, or heard of one either, go faster."
The Shoe[1] once said of Silky, "You can't do a thing with him, you just have to allow him to run his own race, at his own speed, in his own style in the first quarter or maybe the first three eighths. And you just sit there and wait, hoping you won't have to wait too long, because when he really gets going you have to be alert or he might just leave you behind—and then you hold on for dear life."
Silky could also leave the starting gate like any other racehorse, run a few yards, and then virtually slow to a mosey for a while, never doing more than loping along, despite the best efforts of his jockey, finally coming in a very distant last. Whether it was due to an arthritic condition (one theory) or whether it was because he was a born showman (another, very popular, theory—which holds up rather well since Silky always did his stuff in front of the grandstand), or whether it was because he caught a cold as a two-year-old and forever after could not breathe properly until well into a race, or whether he was a natural born sprinter entered into long races he had to learn to win by saving his incredible power for the last minute (a very credible theory), with Silky, nothing was ever predictable.
And yet out of his 27 career starts, he was in the money 18 times with 12 Wins, 1 Place, and 5 Shows. His career earnings were $157,700. Purses were much smaller when Silky raced, but it wasn't the money or the wins that made Silky "Silky." It was the style.
Silky's running in the $130,500 Santa Anita Derby was Silky Sullivan to a T. In the first five furlongs, he fell 28 lengths off the pace. But when Bill Shoemaker rattled his bit and gave him a little chirrup, asking him to please speed it up (no hitting Silky with a whip, he might just stop), he took off, flying past horse after horse with his incredible distance-consuming stride. But instead of looping the field, Silky cut to the inside, then zigzagged through the pack like a halfback until he was three and one half lengths in front at the finish[2] line—and going away. Towards the end, he was easing himself up, apparently satisfied with his effort.
Shoemaker once said Silky got so far behind that he couldn't see another horse...not because of dirt in his face but because the whole field was so far ahead. Silky won.
It was his intelligence that made Silky Silky. Willie Shoemaker swore, "He knows when to move inside and then out. He knows when to make his winning move."
*On a note of optimism just remember: Silky Sullivan was an American, and so are you.
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Here's a news clip on the subject: http://goleft.tv/view.asp?v=303
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Posted by: aurora2484 on Jul 25, 2007 10:49 AM
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NY Daily Star
www.thedailystar.com/news/stories/2007/
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Posted by: johndoraemi on Jul 25, 2007 2:25 PM
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The main problem with Rothschild is that he has no concept of September 11th 2001, his watershed event which he uses as a starting point for modern history.
Further, by ignoring similar rollbacks on civil liberties under Clinton, and before, he presents a partisan view of the modern fascist empire in Washington DC, rather than an honest unvarnished investigation (where Democrats collaborate with Republicans to destroy your inalienable, consitutionally protected rights).
The Anti-Terrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act under Clinton included many of these unconstitutional abuses, and was in response to another false flag state sponsored attack: the Oklahoma City bombing.
But, in Alternet world, and Rothschild universe, there ARE no US state sponsored false flag attacks. Ignore a Brigadier General who personally investigated the crime, and came to the conclusion (given to 535 members of congress and all major US media) that the truck bomb did not solely cause the damage, and that demolition charges were placed inside the Murrah building at strategic points on the supporting columns. History is erased. The government is exonerated of high treason. Everyone who disagrees must be mad, and 9/11 follows in similar circumstances.
They like to call this the "conspiratorial view" of history, which of course can't happen ... because ... because they say so. As Gore Vidal put it, "we take it on faith that there are no conspiracies in America."
When Rothschild delves into the roundups of suspects in the wake of 9/11, he doesn't want to go into a particular group rounded up: Israeli Mossad agents, numbering near 200. These include the ones celebrating so vehemently the damage at the WTC that the police were called. The ones holding up a cigarette lighter with the burning World Trade Center in the background, captured on their own camera.
I must be mad, thinking I read about that in real newspapers like the Totonto Star.
And what ever happened to those arrested on the George Washington Bridge on 9/11 in a van full of explosives?
Anyway, the point is that gatekeepers do not tell the whole truth. They tell partial truths. They get away with it because the latte liberal mocha morons willingly swallow the "alternative" propaganda, with no compulsion to investigate further.
And I'm quite sick of it. There is no excuse for such persistent ignorance in this age of near limitless access to information.
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Posted by: m_mooss on Jul 25, 2007 5:15 PM
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But this rot began under Clinton. The abuse and prosecution of protesters and demonstrators by the Secret Service The unconstitutional requirement for I.D. for citizens traveling on common carriers. The list can go on -- but what's the point?
Do you REALLY believe that things would REALLY be different if Gore been inaugurated (and not just elected!!) President? And do you believe President H. R. Clinton will be any less repressive than presidents W.J. Clinton and G.W. Bush?
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1) are you registered to vote?
2) if you aren't - then GET registered
3) IF you REALLY want your freedom back - vote for Ron Paul or Tom Tancredo
4) If you don't do the above - then SHUT THE HE _ _ UP and Suffer with what you have done to this country by NOT speaking up where it really counts.
5) Your vote means nothing? Maybe you should remember the election of 2000 - EVERY VOTE MEANS SOMETHING. Get Registered - Get voting - after 2008 I HIGHLY recommend you SHEEP start looking at 3rd parties - WE DO HAVE THEM YOU KNOW. Paul and Tancredo are running as republicans because they are FORCED to NOT because they WANT to.
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Posted by: Michael Boldin on Jul 24, 2007 12:11 AM
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Rights are not taken at the point when they're physically violated or restricted, but rather, at the point in time when power is created that allows politicians to take them in the future.
Bush and this criminal gang have usurped great powers, and even if nothing has personally happened to you, it's still of grave concern to all Americans.
Of course, there are many who live their lives in fear - that claim we need to do this to protect the country. But, terrorism will never, ever destroy this country. It can't. If our liberty is destroyed, our way of life ended - it will come from within. It will come from politicians like Bush, who believe in their ultimate power far more than your freedom.
That's my rant on the subject. Some further reading here:
"You Are Destroying America. Yes, You." - click here
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Posted by: Lector on Jul 24, 2007 1:14 AM
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In America, people are wondering whether we will devolve into a police state. Well, it certainly looks like one now. The effect of lost civil liberties hasn’t been felt by everyone yet. And like Boldin says, we are our own worst enemy. But now that Americans have lost so many liberties, it's doubtful we will ever get them back out of the kindness of the hearts of those fanatics who took them away.
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Posted by: Suzon on Jul 24, 2007 3:43 AM
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Thus, it is very rare for police to be prosecuted for wrongdoing and unknown for company executives to be prosecuted for fraud (corporations also having immunity). The military can do no wrong. Lawyers and judges can do no wrong. Wouldn't do to embarrass the Queen.
The UK is sometimes thought of as the 51st state, but under the present administration, the US has returned to being an English colony. "King George" says it all.
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Posted by: Perfectclue on Jul 24, 2007 4:02 AM
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Then voted with the Republican Nazis, fully one third of them, to deny detainees their right to a trial, charges, and review in a court. This cowardly appeasing fascist support by many democrats goes hand in hand with their support of Bush's Empire in the Middle East.
Many of the democrats, as a result of their votes in Congress, are complicit war criminals, and warmongerers, especially the corporate democrats, that the corporate media coronates as their class thugs to represent both Amerikan fascist foreign policies and the Zionist policies that justify the criminal policies of Israel. War and dictatorship usually go hand in hand, and many of the people, democrats, voted for nuclear war against Iran, by giving Bush, permission to do so in advance, cowering, groveling at the feet of AIPAC, the Israeli lobby, that corrupts and threatens them if they are not sufficiently fascist in their support of Israel.
The recent support of most democrats in Lieberman' resolution, is another example of the fascist, class nationalism, class ideology that democrats are party to. Hillary, Obama, and most of the democrats should not even run for office, as they are just as guilty of their support of the war and its financed occupation. So why is the corporate media cheerleading their class rot, in the same they lied us into the war. Because many of you out there will not think for yourself, women voting for women, minorities voting for minorities, no matter how servile, rotten and appeasing they are to the very polcies that hurt the majority position against the war in Iraq. You get what you deserve. Vote for complicit war criminals who voted for fascist legislation, and you get the Colin Powells, Condaleeza Rices's, Gonzales's, on in the Democratic version of Hillaries, Obama's, etc.
We have moved towards dictatorship because of the class thugs, but even more because of the class appeasing democrats, who like the Socialist party in the Weimar regime, opened the back door for fascism, and Hitler, only to be swept off the stage and into the prisons camps, their own complicity did them in. Ditto for the whoring Democrats.
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Posted by: shangrilalad on Jul 24, 2007 4:29 AM
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The Presidential order gives the administration the power to freeze assets of any person or entity considered to be "undermining" efforts to stabilize Iraq.
Executive Order: Blocking Property of Certain Persons Who Threaten Stabilization Efforts in Iraq
Office of the Press Secretary
Tuesday 17 July 2007
Fact sheet: Message to the Congress of the United States Regarding International Emergency Economic Powers Act
By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including the International Emergency Economic Powers Act, as amended (50 U.S.C. 1701 et seq.)(IEEPA), the National Emergencies Act (50 U.S.C. 1601 et seq.)(NEA), and section 301 of title 3, United States Code,
I, GEORGE W. BUSH, President of the United States of America, find that, due to the unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security and foreign policy of the United States posed by acts of violence threatening the peace and stability of Iraq and undermining efforts to promote economic reconstruction and political reform in Iraq and to provide humanitarian assistance to the Iraqi people, it is in the interests of the United States to take additional steps with respect to the national emergency declared in Executive Order 13303 of May 22, 2003, and expanded in Executive Order 13315 of August 28, 2003, and relied upon for additional steps taken in Executive Order 13350 of July 29, 2004, and Executive Order 13364 of November 29, 2004. I hereby order:
Section 1. (a) Except to the extent provided in section 203(b)(1), (3), and (4) of IEEPA (50 U.S.C. 1702(b)(1), (3), and (4)), or in regulations, orders, directives, or licenses that may be issued pursuant to this order, and notwithstanding any contract entered into or any license or permit granted prior to the date of this order, all property and interests in property of the following persons, that are in the United States, that hereafter come within the United States, or that are or hereafter come within the possession or control of United States persons, are blocked and may not be transferred, paid, exported, withdrawn, or otherwise dealt in: any person determined by the Secretary of the Treasury, in consultation with the Secretary of State and the Secretary of Defense,
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Sec. 5. For those persons whose property and interests in property are blocked pursuant to this order who might have a constitutional presence in the United States, I find that, because of the ability to transfer funds or other assets instantaneously, prior notice to such persons of measures to be taken pursuant to this order would render these measures ineffectual. I therefore determine that for these measures to be effective in addressing the national emergency declared in Executive Order 13303 and expanded in Executive Order 13315, there need be no prior notice of a listing or determination made pursuant to section 1(a) of this order.
Sec. 6. The Secretary of the Treasury, in consultation with the Secretary of State and the Secretary of Defense, is hereby authorized to take such actions, including the promulgation of rules and regulations, and to employ all powers granted to the President by IEEPA as may be necessary to carry out the purposes of this order. The Secretary of the Treasury may redelegate any of these functions to other officers and agencies of the United States Government, consistent with applicable law. All agencies of the United States Government are hereby directed to take all appropriate measures within their authority to carry out the provisions of this order and, where appropriate, to advise the Secre tary of the Treasury in a timely manner of the measures taken.
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Sec. 7. Nothing in this order is intended to affect the continued effectiveness of any rules, regulations, orders, licenses, or other forms of administrative action issued, taken, or continued in effect heretofore or hereafter under 31 C.F.R. chapter V, except as expressly terminated, modified, or suspended by or pursuant to this order.
Sec. 8. This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right, benefit, or privilege, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, instrumentalities, or entities, its officers or employees, or any other person.
GEORGE W. BUSH
THE WHITE HOUSE,
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Americans have been deluged with Bush’s Executive Orders, but this one is truly ominous. How many Americans remember that Hitler stripped Jews of their wealth, property and means of making a living before he began exterminating them? Republicans seem to be following the Nazi blueprint to impose a fascist dictatorship.
The astonishing thing about Bush’s many Executive Orders, is that they are ignored by the Monopoly Media and Democrats. None of his “Signing Statements” or “Executive Orders” have been discussed or explained by anyone. Does anyone know what they mean? Most of these “Signing Statements” and “Executive Orders” are so disingenuous, complicated and convoluted, it takes a Chinese Lawyer to decypher what they mean.
Who will finally decide the “Decider” has decided way beyond what was his to decide?
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Posted by: JSquercia on Jul 24, 2007 4:44 AM
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Conservative Republican his name is Fein makes a GREAT case for impeaching BOTH Cheney AND Bush citing precisely the kind of evidence contained in this article and yet STILL the Media remains silent as our rights are stripped away . He derides the Congress for NOT stepping up to their Constitutional RESPONSIBLITY to provide a check on the Executive Branch . He reminds us of the days when the members of his own Party told Nixon he should do the honorable thing and resign . Unfortunately there is no
such courage among today's Republicans and no such honor in either Bush or Cheney . He notes that Nixon ALLOWED
John Dean the White House Council to testify before Congress . Contrast this with Bush's refusal to allow any of his aides to appear before the Congress . Especially Chilling was the testimony of Sarah Taylor who spoke of taking an Oath to Serve the President . Fein said it reminded him of
Germans who took an oath to the Fuhrer he reminded Ms Taylor that she swore to protect the CONSTITUTION not the President .
As Franklin said those who would trade their Liberty for a little Security desrve Neither .
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Posted by: skydog on Jul 24, 2007 5:20 AM
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This criminality must be repudiated. But Pelosi, for craven political reasons, claims that impeachment is "off the table." Meanwhile in the Senate, Harry "Faith Based Initiative" Reid won't even entertain Feingold's milquetoast censure resolution.
If Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid will not fulfill their duty to protect and defend the Constitution, they should likewise be removed from office for violating their oath. The time to the end of Bush's term is completely one hundred percent irrelevant. The 2008 election is completely one hundred percent irrelevant. They must be held to perform their sworn duty.
Perhaps we should be calling for the removal of Speaker Pelosi and Majority Leader Reid instead. Maybe then they'll get the message.
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Posted by: shangrilalad on Jul 24, 2007 5:54 AM
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Our elected Representatives don’t seem concerned about Bush’s lawlessness rampage, and they definitely aren’t interested in attempting to check his endless empowerment of himself at the expense of our “balance of powers” or constitution, but don’t worry, they’ve got rock solid plans to win the next election . . . forget Impeachment though.
The Problem is: All the King’s horses and All the King’s men, couldn’t put Humpty Dumpty together again.
It sure appears that Humpty has been dumped.
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WAKE UP AMERICA!
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Posted by: wagadog on Jul 24, 2007 7:18 AM
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RIGHT ON!
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Posted by: LeftCoastProgressive on Jul 24, 2007 9:14 AM
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In America and throughout the world, people are watching while we dummingly dissolve into a police state. There are only a few voices raised in horror at what is happening. Most of the sheeple are traumatized and mesmerized by the everyday machinations. The effect of lost civil liberties hasn’t been felt by everyone. The everyday situations, where you will be slapped against a wall and bitch-searched and cuffed, are not prevalent yet. The appalling thing that can happen to any citizen will occur when they come to your door and haul you away for something you said or wrote. They will confiscate all your accounts and real holdings to feed their system. We have lost so many liberties already: court cases have been adjudicated, precedents have been set. It's doubtful we will ever get them back even with extreme persuance over decades.
Fein, the Conservative Republican (see the Bill Moyers PBS show) made a STRONG case for impeaching BOTH Cheney AND Bush citing and enumerating much evidence. There is no one with cajones in the MSM except Olbermann willing to use cable-waves to impale the creeps in office. Congress has a Constitutional RESPONSIBLITY to provide a check on the Executive Branch . What are they doing? Where are they? This IS the MOST IMPORTANT reason for being in Congress at this time!
Bush has refused to allow any of his aides to appear before the Congress. The most depraved cupidity was the testimony of Sarah Taylor. "I took an oath to Serve the President ." All government employees take oaths to protect the CONSTITUTION, NOT the President.
We cannot let these Constitution violating precedents to be handed to the next President. This loaded weapon must be destroyed!
The election in 2008 is completely irrelevant. Pelosi and Reid's duty is to impeach. If Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid will not fulfill their duty to protect and defend the Constitution, they must be removed from office for violating their oath. Now is the time to end Bush's reign.
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Posted by: Bobsays on Jul 24, 2007 9:15 AM
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I think it hasn't been perfect and many mistakes have been made. But on the whole, the only thing that has come close to ruining my day has been islamic fascists blowing themselves up on my way to work. I take all the snooping to stop that happening again. Oh, and by the way, why aren't we deporting these people?
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I think it hasn't been perfect and many mistakes have been made. But on the whole, the only thing that has come close to ruining my day has been islamic fascists blowing themselves up on my way to work. I take all the snooping to stop that happening again. Oh, and by the way, why aren't we deporting these people?
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Posted by: HughScott on Jul 24, 2007 9:40 AM
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“Senior Al Qaeda leaders sent to Iraq.”
“Al Qaeda in Iraq has foreign leadership.”
“Bush cites links between Al Qaeda groups.
“Al Qaeda in Iraq directed by foreigners”
“Bush asserts Iraq central to war on terror.”
“Bush: Al Qaeda fosters sectarian strife.”
“Bush” U.S. retreat would embolden Al Qaeda.”
One CNN banner quoted Bush as saying, “Al Qaeda is public enemy number one.”
Wrong, Mr. President. YOU are America’s public enemy number one. Otherwise, we would have eliminated Al Qaeda in Afghanistan four years ago instead of invading Iraq.
Case closed on the most incompetent commander-in-chief in U.S. history.
Hugh E. Scott, Vietnam vet and editor of the nonprofit investigative website, King-George.biz, which features the only hardcopy proof of White House corruption ever found on the Internet.
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Posted by: wmGreybeard on Jul 24, 2007 10:08 AM
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Posted by: Sushi on Jul 24, 2007 10:58 AM
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Who is protecting us when our leaders are attacking the very freedoms our country represents?
While the blood of American's sons and daughters soak the sands of foreign soil, Americans are being terrorized back here at home by our own "leaders". Along with robbing us of our rights, we are also being robbed of our peace of mind (a "war of mind"?), our treasury and our futures.
Terrorists are not "taking our freedoms"...Bush is! We are living in a Bizarro World where our tormenters are posing as our protectors and saviours!
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Posted by: TJ-stars4peace on Jul 24, 2007 11:30 AM
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I just forward it to askdoj@usdoj.gov, this way I save them the trouble and the tax payers the expense of breaking into my apartment and all the rest..
Also I believe the more we "speak our mind and don't back down" the safer and stronger a nation and people we are..!
As the Great Frank Herbert told us:
"Fear is the Mind Killer..!"
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Posted by: Ghoulman on Jul 24, 2007 11:42 AM
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email is NOT private. Never was.
So this article doesn't pass muster for me. Try again.
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Posted by: solrev on Jul 24, 2007 11:56 AM
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Stop, hey - what's that sound? Everybody look what's going down..."
What happens in 2012 if everyone is still saying this same rhetoric? One of you journalist should get a copy of the Declaration of Independence and rewrite it. I did it on the fourth of July and I was amazed, a few words changed (one king for another) and a dropped line here and there, and you would swear it was written yesterday. Money talks and bullshit walks and they have the money.
"There's a man with the money over there...telling me I got to beware...
Stop, hey - what's that sound? Everybody look what's going down..."
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Posted by: MAD on Jul 24, 2007 12:50 PM
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2. It's all good cuz cheap shit from China is still that: cheap shit.
3. Most of us have health insurance so why won't those 50 million lazy, degenerate bastards without just die already??!!
4. Beckham and Posh are living in the US? Now? Oh fuck yeah!! I've been waiting so long for this moment!! Just what we need - another pair of Hollywood socialite dimwits to grace us with the next mindless reality TV show.
5. "I'll be voting for Hillary or Obama or Edwards cuz they just look better than that Kucinich guy".
I love how Alternet periodically rolls out these long winded tirades on how the Bush administration has stripped us of our liberties. What exactly are they talking about? Our right to continue ignoring the kleptocratic dictatorship that's in bed with big biz and has been for the last 50 years? Our right to replace some tired, Republican thugs with those from the Democratic party? (God forbid Americans take a 3rd route!) Our right to sit idly by whilst our fearless leader wipes his ass with the Constitution?
In our defense, I have to admit that we have been availing ourselves of this wondrous Democratic system in several capacities: the right to ambivalence, complacency, irrationality, fear mongering, rampant consumerism, etc.
Hate to say it, but the show's over folks. Roll up the carpets and hit the lights on the way out. This country is fucked and no Hillary or Obama is going to fix it. If you believe that, then you're merely part of the problem.
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Posted by: Crazy H on Jul 24, 2007 12:58 PM
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The slide started soon after - did you know that an animal-rights protest can be considered terrorism if it costs a company money? Even a peaceful protest, with no property damage - the defining element is money. So, now, anyone involved with PETA is automatically a 'terrorist' and can be shipped off to Gitmo at the whim of The Decider.
Not that I have any love for PETA, I wear leather and eat my steaks rare. But they are Americans and used to have the same rights as any of the rest of us.
How long will it be before you can be declared an 'enemy combatant' for paying off your credit card late? ...stealing a candy bar? ...voting for the wrong party?
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Posted by: edgar_michel on Jul 24, 2007 1:27 PM
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"My book Blowback was not noticed in the United States until after 9/11, when my suggestion that our covert policies abroad might be coming back to haunt us gained new meaning. Many Americans began to ask--as President Bush did--"Why do they hate us?" The answer was not that some countries hate us because of our democracy, wealth, lifestyle, or values, but because of things our government did to various peoples around the world. The counterblows directed against Americans seem, of course, as out of the blue as those airlines on that September morning because most Americans have no framework that would link cause and effect. The terrorist attacks of September 11 are the clearest examples of blowback in modern international relations. In the initial book in this trilogy, I never foresaw the terrorist nature of the attacks, nor the incredibly inept reaction of our government..."
"...Because Americans generally failed to consider seriously why we had been attacked on 9/11, the Bush administration was able to respond in a way that made the situation far worse. I believed at the time and feel no differently five years later that we should have treated the attacks as crimes against the innocent, not as acts of war. We should have proceeded against al-Qaeda the same way we might have against organized crime. It would have been wise to call what we were doing an "emergency," as the British did in fighting the Malay guerrillas in the 1950s, not a "war." The day after 9/11, Simon Jenkins, the former editor of the Times of London, insightfully wrote: "The message of yesterdays incident is that, for all its horror, it does not and must not be allowed to matter, It is a human disaster, an outrage, an atrocity, an unleashing of the madness of which the world will never be rid. But it is not politically significant. It does not tilt the balance of world power one inch. It is not an act of war. America's leadership of the West is not diminished by it. The cause of democracy is not damaged, unless we choose to let it be damaged."
Had we followed Jenkin's advice we could have retained the cooperation and trust of our democratic allies, remained the aggrieved party of 9/11, built criminal cases that would have stood up in any court of law, and won the hearts and minds of populations al-Qaeda was trying to mobilize. We would have avoided entirely Contravening the Geneva Conventions covering the treatment of prisoners of war and never have headed down the path of torturing people we picked up almost at random in Afghanistan and Iraq. The U.S. government would have had no need to lie to its own citizens and the rest of the world about the nonexistent nuclear threat posed by Iraq or carry out a phony preventive war against that country."
Chalmers Johnson presents a good case for the path not taken, which is the path of police action against the perpetrators of 9/11. But I contend that the reason that path was not taken is that a comprehensive forensics investigation would have ultimately led back to the Pentagon and the Whitehouse. They knew that blowback would be a plausible explanation for the attacks on 9/11. And they reasoned that if there was no investigation of 9/11 at all for a significant amount of time, then the assumption of blowback would become the settled perception of the cause of the attacks. It wasn't until the Family Steering Committee for the Investigation of the attacks on 9/11 forced the Whitehouse to investigate, that any serious facade of an effort to investigate actually commenced. But by then all the evidence had been carted out of the country and disposed of so that there really couldn't be a real investigation.
We need to impeach George W. Bush for obstruction of justice if nothing else, and the proceeding needs to begin now.
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Posted by: aurora2484 on Jul 24, 2007 4:10 PM
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B/ Who they consider is undermining economic events etc in Iraq.. (war protestors?)
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One line of response has been to effect that, "I wouldn't let them take .. "(home, car, bank acct, etc) "I'd fight them rather than let it go."
How do you defend your property if you've been arrested, - detained - possibly in a detention center? The way the law is written, it seems that if you end up in a detention center, your property will likely have been appropriated by the State - if you are released, there won't be much to return to.
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Posted by: gellero on Jul 24, 2007 9:46 PM
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Posted by: SJ on Jul 25, 2007 1:04 AM
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“Whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these [the rights of the population], it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness... [W]hen a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object, evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security.” (IT IS OUR DUTY)
THIS IS THE BOYSCOUTS OF AMERICAS SELF HELP 101 WHEN LOST IN THE FOREST SOLUTIONS TO GUIDE ONE TO SAFTEY. Standing armies is what our for fathers warned against and cut the apron strings from King George over. WE MAY HAVE COME FULL CIRCLE IN MANY RESPECTS. We are the only ones who can stop the abuse. As with the battered wife or spouse, otherwise the behavior escaltes to very unhealthy outcomes for the enslaved partner. Constant label changing and repetitve lies til people think of them as truth and dehumanized ethnic groups for the pupose to rape and pillage their lands under the guise of democracy, to only create and foster more terroism and elections are refered to as mere poles, rather than the voice of the american people. Were the last two presidential elections just public poles, LOL, not for them then. Silence and complacency will mean death for many and death for the people. Support a 3rd party now while your dollar is still worth the .03 cents it is valued at.
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Posted by: SJ on Jul 25, 2007 1:46 AM
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"Now, surely, nothing but Universal Education can counter-work this tendency to the domination of capital and the servility of labor. If one class possesses all the wealth and the education, while the residue of society is poor and ignorant, it matters not by what name the relation between them may be called; the latter, in fact and in truth, will be the servile dependents and subjects of the former.... Education, then, beyond all other devices of human origin, is the great equalizer of the conditions of men-the balance-wheel of the social machinery."
Diary 85 quotes from a pastor in Nazi Germany who famously "summarized the outcome of what happens when no one takes a stand. 'They came for the trade unions, but I was not a trade unionist, so I didn't respond. Then they came for the Socialists, but I was not a Socialist, so I didn't respond. Then they came for the Jews and since I was not a Jew, I didn't respond. Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me.' Next to this quote was a picture of the concentration camp. I looked at that picture for a while repeating the words in my head. The more I thought about it, the more I cried."
Contrarily, they are winning at this war, as they remove the resistant Iraqi populace. The democrates provide dubious meaning less motions to try and appease the voters only to quickly approve the funding, after the veto on a worthless set of markers for withdrawal which only mean redeployment , keeping a massive presance in the area. Same as the retoric bring the troops home , really means only to the home base in Iraq off the Bagdad battle field. Silence will not be an option for those who care. Do what you can NOW, 08 IS TO LATE, DON'T TAKE THEIR BAIT. rEID SAYS THEYHAVE IMPORTANT WORKTO DO. LIKE PASS WAR FUNDING AND OTHER BILLS FOR THE KING TO VETO, AND MORE TAX BREAKS TO THE WEALTHY. MOST IMPORTANT A ANTI WARMOVEMENT TO DIVERT AND DISPELL.
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Posted by: stfrequency on Jul 25, 2007 4:21 AM
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In a recent essay, I examine the history of U.S. executive privilege, from the framing of the Constitution to these latest power grabs. No, this is nothing new -- however, these loopholes have been enlarged so dramatically in the past five years as to constitute a threat to liberty greater than any yet attempted in this country. And the most drastic moves can be made under the declaration of a national emergency. This is where we see the newest directives pointing, and with the very recent intimations from Chertoff and others about a "spectacular" terror attack in the near future, we must speculate about the scenario being prepared for us.
Please find my essay at RealitySandwich.com for the full analysis.
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Posted by: shangrilalad on Jul 25, 2007 5:39 AM
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Out of all the legendary closers—Whirlaway, Stymie, and Needles before him, his contemporary Gallant Man, and Forego and John Henry after him—none could hang so far back, let the field get so far ahead, and then decide to overtake the rest of the runners like a bullet shot from a gun. Called the "California Comet" and ridden often in his career by the great Hall of Fame jockey, Willie Shoemaker, Silky once galloped along in a race until the field was 41 lengths in front of him—and still won by three lengths. To accomplish such heart-stopping feats, he had to clock the last quarter in 22 seconds flat. On one occasion, it was a hair over 20 seconds flat. His trainer, the West Coast veteran Reggie Cornell, said, "I've never seen a horse in my life, or heard of one either, go faster."
The Shoe[1] once said of Silky, "You can't do a thing with him, you just have to allow him to run his own race, at his own speed, in his own style in the first quarter or maybe the first three eighths. And you just sit there and wait, hoping you won't have to wait too long, because when he really gets going you have to be alert or he might just leave you behind—and then you hold on for dear life."
Silky could also leave the starting gate like any other racehorse, run a few yards, and then virtually slow to a mosey for a while, never doing more than loping along, despite the best efforts of his jockey, finally coming in a very distant last. Whether it was due to an arthritic condition (one theory) or whether it was because he was a born showman (another, very popular, theory—which holds up rather well since Silky always did his stuff in front of the grandstand), or whether it was because he caught a cold as a two-year-old and forever after could not breathe properly until well into a race, or whether he was a natural born sprinter entered into long races he had to learn to win by saving his incredible power for the last minute (a very credible theory), with Silky, nothing was ever predictable.
And yet out of his 27 career starts, he was in the money 18 times with 12 Wins, 1 Place, and 5 Shows. His career earnings were $157,700. Purses were much smaller when Silky raced, but it wasn't the money or the wins that made Silky "Silky." It was the style.
Silky's running in the $130,500 Santa Anita Derby was Silky Sullivan to a T. In the first five furlongs, he fell 28 lengths off the pace. But when Bill Shoemaker rattled his bit and gave him a little chirrup, asking him to please speed it up (no hitting Silky with a whip, he might just stop), he took off, flying past horse after horse with his incredible distance-consuming stride. But instead of looping the field, Silky cut to the inside, then zigzagged through the pack like a halfback until he was three and one half lengths in front at the finish[2] line—and going away. Towards the end, he was easing himself up, apparently satisfied with his effort.
Shoemaker once said Silky got so far behind that he couldn't see another horse...not because of dirt in his face but because the whole field was so far ahead. Silky won.
It was his intelligence that made Silky Silky. Willie Shoemaker swore, "He knows when to move inside and then out. He knows when to make his winning move."
*On a note of optimism just remember: Silky Sullivan was an American, and so are you.
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Posted by: mudcat on Jul 25, 2007 9:53 AM
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Here's a news clip on the subject: http://goleft.tv/view.asp?v=303
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Posted by: aurora2484 on Jul 25, 2007 10:49 AM
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NY Daily Star
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Posted by: johndoraemi on Jul 25, 2007 2:25 PM
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The main problem with Rothschild is that he has no concept of September 11th 2001, his watershed event which he uses as a starting point for modern history.
Further, by ignoring similar rollbacks on civil liberties under Clinton, and before, he presents a partisan view of the modern fascist empire in Washington DC, rather than an honest unvarnished investigation (where Democrats collaborate with Republicans to destroy your inalienable, consitutionally protected rights).
The Anti-Terrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act under Clinton included many of these unconstitutional abuses, and was in response to another false flag state sponsored attack: the Oklahoma City bombing.
But, in Alternet world, and Rothschild universe, there ARE no US state sponsored false flag attacks. Ignore a Brigadier General who personally investigated the crime, and came to the conclusion (given to 535 members of congress and all major US media) that the truck bomb did not solely cause the damage, and that demolition charges were placed inside the Murrah building at strategic points on the supporting columns. History is erased. The government is exonerated of high treason. Everyone who disagrees must be mad, and 9/11 follows in similar circumstances.
They like to call this the "conspiratorial view" of history, which of course can't happen ... because ... because they say so. As Gore Vidal put it, "we take it on faith that there are no conspiracies in America."
When Rothschild delves into the roundups of suspects in the wake of 9/11, he doesn't want to go into a particular group rounded up: Israeli Mossad agents, numbering near 200. These include the ones celebrating so vehemently the damage at the WTC that the police were called. The ones holding up a cigarette lighter with the burning World Trade Center in the background, captured on their own camera.
I must be mad, thinking I read about that in real newspapers like the Totonto Star.
And what ever happened to those arrested on the George Washington Bridge on 9/11 in a van full of explosives?
Anyway, the point is that gatekeepers do not tell the whole truth. They tell partial truths. They get away with it because the latte liberal mocha morons willingly swallow the "alternative" propaganda, with no compulsion to investigate further.
And I'm quite sick of it. There is no excuse for such persistent ignorance in this age of near limitless access to information.
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But this rot began under Clinton. The abuse and prosecution of protesters and demonstrators by the Secret Service The unconstitutional requirement for I.D. for citizens traveling on common carriers. The list can go on -- but what's the point?
Do you REALLY believe that things would REALLY be different if Gore been inaugurated (and not just elected!!) President? And do you believe President H. R. Clinton will be any less repressive than presidents W.J. Clinton and G.W. Bush?
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1) are you registered to vote?
2) if you aren't - then GET registered
3) IF you REALLY want your freedom back - vote for Ron Paul or Tom Tancredo
4) If you don't do the above - then SHUT THE HE _ _ UP and Suffer with what you have done to this country by NOT speaking up where it really counts.
5) Your vote means nothing? Maybe you should remember the election of 2000 - EVERY VOTE MEANS SOMETHING. Get Registered - Get voting - after 2008 I HIGHLY recommend you SHEEP start looking at 3rd parties - WE DO HAVE THEM YOU KNOW. Paul and Tancredo are running as republicans because they are FORCED to NOT because they WANT to.
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