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Wait, There Actually Is a Bridge in Brooklyn You Can Sell Me?
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The gullibility of anyone who thinks it's possible to buy the Brooklyn Bridge is an old punch line, but today the joke is on us. In these weird times of privatization fever, buying bridges is no longer considered preposterous, and old Will would be appalled by the crass morals of both the sellers and the buyers in these increasingly common transactions.
The Brooklyn span has yet to be sold off, but similar public assets all across the country have been, and many more are up for grabs -- an estimated $100 billion worth of highways, bridges, airports, and other public properties could be transferred into corporate hands in just the next two years. Among those already gone or actively being considered for privatization are Chicago's Skyway commuter route, the city's entire downtown parking system, and Midway Airport; in Indiana, three major throughways (a 157-mile toll road across the state, a new Illiana Expressway, and a section of the I-69 NAFTA highway) and the state lottery; Virginia's Pocahontas Parkway and Dulles Greenway; the 537-mile Pennsylvania Turnpike and Philadelphia International Airport; New York's Tappan Zee Bridge; a vast 4,000-mile network of toll roads across Texas; Colorado's Northwest Parkway; Alabama's Foley Beach Expressway bridge; the Detroit-Windsor Tunnel; and, in New Jersey, the NJ Turnpike, Garden State Parkway, and Atlantic City Expressway.
What's at work here is a convergence of gutless politicians, right-wing ideological fantasizers, conniving investment bankers, and raw corporate greed. What has drawn them together is the incandescent, transformative, blinding, neon-green force that rules American society: money.
A deliberate defunding
Let's start with the lack of money. Since the 1980s, national, state, and local politicos of both parties have abjectly failed to meet their responsibility to maintain our country's essential transportation infrastructure. They've had the political backbone of slugs, unwilling to speak an obvious truth: It takes tax revenues to have a first class public system. But forget first-class -- our roads, bridges, airports, and other systems have been allowed to deteriorate even as traffic has steadily increased, so American transportation isn't even second class. In this same time span, our "leaders" have squandered trillions of dollars from our public treasury on special tax breaks for corporations and the rich, as well as on senseless wars and boondoggles, while letting the basics of government service slide. Now we're at a crisis point. The federal highway system (established by that wild-eyed, tax-and-spend liberal, Dwight Eisenhower, in 1956), is the chief national source of money for building and repairing roads, bridges, and mass transit systems. It is financed by an excise tax that has stood at 18.4 cents on a gallon of gasoline since 1993. Today, that's only about 6% of what it costs for a gallon of regular gasoline -- down from the 10% rate of taxation that Ike and Congress established when the fund was created.
In 2005, when Congress was about to replenish the dwindling trust fund with an increase of 4 cents per gallon, George W killed the hike with a veto threat. As a result, a fund with a $23 billion surplus when Bush came into office will be broke when he leaves, running a deficit of nearly $2 billion in 2009 and $8 billion the next year.
If you're an antigovernment, privatization zealot (like Bush and his top Transportation Department appointees), those are joyous numbers, for they mean that state and local officials are more vulnerable than ever to your pitch that public assets are better placed in corporate hands. For years, such corporate- funded, right-wing think tanks as the Reason Foundation have dreamed of the moment when they could impose their ideology on the public -- and here it is.
"Trust us," they're cooing into the ears of governors, mayors, and other officials who are looking at massive transportation needs, yet are too shackled to money interests even to mouth the words "tax increase." These sirens of corporatization sing softly, "We have the perfect, painless solution. All you have to do is to turn over that toll road (either by sale or long-term lease) to GlobalGigantica, Inc., which will pay a pretty penny for it. You'll get money for your public treasury, you'll lose your migraine headache, the magic of free enterprise will deliver greater efficiency and lower costs, and an adoring public will shower you with rose petals, hosannas, and votes."
Such rosy nonsense is now official U.S. policy. Last year, the Department of Transportation produced a plan known as the National Strategy to Reduce Congestion, which really should be called the Strategy to Induce Corporatization. Under this scheme, DOT officials are actively working as proselytizers of privatization, aggressively pushing states to pass laws that help corporations take over chunks of their public transportation infrastructure. To move this ideological surge along, DOT has drafted sample legislation for states to rubber-stamp, and more than 20 states have passed such laws.
Washington is also throwing public money behind this push. The 2005 highway bill conveniently changed the law so that corporations -- not just governments -- can now raise tax-exempt funds and get special subsidies for privatized projects. As a congressional staffer confided to reporters for Mother Jones magazine, "It's a very, very sweet deal."
The corporate players
Public infrastructure -- long considered the stodgiest of investments -- suddenly has a financial allure surpassing anything since the California Gold Rush, with corporate powers from all over the globe hustling to get pieces of the action. Consider the transactions of June 29, 2006. On this single day:
A consortium of two international corporations -- the Spanish construction giant Concesiones de Infraestructuras de Transporte (Cintra) and the Australian conglomerate Macquarie Infrastructure Group (MIG) -- inked a $3.8-billon deal to run the Indiana Toll Road for the next 75 years.
A partnership between Spain's Cintra and a Texas-based conglomerate, Zachry Construction got state approval on a $1.3-billion deal giving it a 50-year lease to build and operate a 40-mile toll road running south from Austin.
Australian toll-road operator Transurban signed a $611-million deal to gain control of the Pocahontas Parkway in Richmond, Virginia's capital city. Why are corporations laying down such sums to run toll roads? Because these are high-fat sugar bombs with whipped cream dollops and sprinkles on top.
First, the corporate owners get monopolistic control of prime routes of travel. This provides a steady (and steadily increasing) flow of tens of thousands of captive customers every day. The corporations have a guaranteed cash flow that's literally driven to them!
Second -- and this is the biggest factor of all -- private owners get to raise toll rates. Elected officials are wary of hiking tolls because of the political backlash they can suffer, and the better pols actually give a damn about keeping costs affordable for regular people. But corporations are not subject to the electorate and thus have no qualms about stiffing the public (think of Big Oil's price gouging, ever-rising bank and credit-card fees, cereal companies that charge more for less, Enron's manipulation of energy markets, etc.).
When the hucksters tout the advantages of privatization, it's this political immunity that they highlight. Corporations, they exult, are able to amass private investment funds to build or repair roads because they are free to raise tolls. Robert Poole, a privatizing zealot at the Reason Foundation, even tries to turn such monopoly profiteering into a virtue, gushing that corporations "depoliticize the tolling decision." I'll say -- We the People are conveniently removed from any decision-making role!
In 2005, when Cintra-MIG paid $1.8 billion for a 99-year lease to run the Chicago Skyway, the $2 toll to drive the 8-mile road immediately jumped by 25% and is scheduled to be $5 within a decade. That's $10 a day for just one short stretch of your commute. Similarly, last year's Cintra-MIG deal to take over the Indiana Toll Road came with a neat doubling of the tolls, plus allowing the consortium to raise rates every year after 2010 by 2% or the rate of inflation -- whichever is higher.
When corporations and their political enablers first push a privatization scheme on a state or city, they invariably claim that it will be in the public interest because "everyone knows" that corporations are more efficient than government. Ah, yes, we've seen the "efficiencies" of the Halliburtons, the big HMOs, and that ilk.
The reality is that the corporate operator not only has to cover the fixed costs of operating a road system, but it also must satisfy its shareholders with ever-expanding profits, cover the exorbitant pay levels of its top executives, and add in the enormous overhead of its own bureaucracy, including its marble headquarters, advertising budget, lobbyists, and so forth. What's "efficient" about these deals is that corporate operators can freely raise our tolls to cover their inherent inefficiencies.
Third, if a free-wheeling ability to jack up tolls is not enough to fatten the investors' bottom line, corporations receive two other advantages that the privatizers don't like to mention. The new operators receive hundreds of millions of dollars in tax breaks, and instead of staffing the system with full-time public employees getting decent wages and benefits, these private operators shift to low-wage, parttime workers with no benefits. So taxpayers subsidize the conversion to "free enterprise," and the reward to the community is worse jobs than it had before. What a deal!
Fourth, the profits are astronomical. As a Wisconsin transportation official reminds us, "The private sector's legal responsibility to its shareholders is to make money -- profit is their purpose. [Privatization] is all about money." And lots of it. Business Week magazine notes that Cintra-MIG's investment in the Indiana Toll Road "could break even in year 15 of the 75-year lease, on the way to reaping as much as $21 billion in profits." In sum, the state of Indiana got $3.8 billion in exchange for inflicting much higher tolls on its citizens, thus producing $21 billion in profits that will benefit a handful of foreign investors rather than the Indiana people.
Banks always get theirs
The big investment banks and capital funds have sniffed the fecund possibilities of enormous fees and profits to be had in this game, and they are pushing their way into it with the exuberance of bank robbers tunneling into an unguarded vault. Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, Citigroup, the Carlyle Group, and others are not only raking in fees as financial advisors to both the sellers and buyers of these assets, but also piling up cash from wealthy investors to put into infrastructure deals.
Wait. Doesn't the dual role of advisor and investor pose conflicts of interest? Of course! Mother Jones reports that while Goldman Sachs was advising Indiana officials on selling rights to the state's toll road, it didn't mention that it was also putting together a private infrastructure investment fund to get part of the action, meaning Goldman had a financial interest in getting Indiana to sell the roads as cheaply as possible. You see, in deals this big, the first thing that bankers do is to drag ethical considerations into a back room and strangle them.
A Morgan Stanley banker estimates that around the world, some 30 special funds are now amassing a total of $500 billion in capital to buy U.S. public assets. At the same time, bankers are roaming from statehouse to statehouse to persuade officials to sell. Mark Florian, a Goldman Sachs executive who has become Wall Street's happy huckster of privatization deals, says he has personally visited top officials in more than 35 states to "help spur the market."
Laissez-faire ideologues are not bothered either by conflicts of interest or by any concerns about the public interest. They view our roads, airports, and such strictly as commodities that should be put on the market for the enrichment of wealthy investors. As Florian puts it, "There's a lot of value trapped in these assets."
A raw deal
For those of us without the wealth to profit from privatization, this is a mighty rocky road to travel. Instead of providing universal public service, our prime transportation routes will be priced at what the market will bear. Working stiffs, small businesses (from truckers to maid services), and others -- the majority -- will be economically burdened or forced onto clogged side roads.
We'll also be giving up any semblance of democratic control, ceding decision making over fundamentally public matters to selfinterested private executives cloistered inside board rooms. With long-term leases, decisions about major repairs or expansion 10, 20, or 30 years from now will rest not on public need, but on what will make the most profit for the shareholders. The corporation can refuse to add lanes, can raise tolls to do so, or can even sell its lease to another party that might choose to cover its cost of purchase by lowering the quality of service.
What we're losing here is the whole idea of public purpose. This is our commonly shared infrastructure we're talking about, and it's more valuable than money. For example, privatizers estimate that the magnificent Golden Gate Bridge is worth $3.4 billion to investors. But that's its price -- not its value. That bridge embodies community identity, history, aesthetics, unity, service, and purpose.
These are the people's assets -- belonging not just to all of us here today, but to those who went before and to all those yet to come. Politicians need to know that these are not "theirs" to sell, that no one can "own" our public assets as their private property. By politicians, I mean Democrats as well as Bushites. It's Democrats who're running the fire sales in Chicago, it was a Democrat -- Rep. Chaka Fattah -- who ran for mayor of Philadelphia on a plan to privatize the city's airport (he lost), and it's Democratic Governor Jon Corzine (a former CEO of Goldman Sachs) who has pushed the sale of New Jersey's major highways.
This abandonment of the public trust and the common good is a leadership issue of Rooseveltian proportions, yet no one running for president has made a peep about it. If they did, they'd tap into a rich reserve of public resentment against the rip-off deals, the profiteering, and the very principle of selling what is ours. Where are the Rooseveltian Democrats who'll stand up to the profiteers and rally the people to reclaim and reinvest in our public infrastructure? We can't wait on the pols to come to us. Check our Do Something box in this issue ... and go to them.
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Posted by: moontime on Jul 23, 2007 2:37 AM
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» Guiliani is almost more 'privatisation' crazy than Bush. From Texas to NYC Guiliani is involved!
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Posted by: Suzon on Jul 23, 2007 3:26 AM
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Can the Dems do anything but assure themselves that they do more good than harm? After all, you need money to give to the media to get elected and corporations hand it out big time.
Two suggestions: Give the politicians equal--and limited--but free television and radio broadcasts. This is the one thing that the UK government does that is worth copying.
The second suggestion is that the broadcasts must not be misleading as judged by an independent panel.
Freedom of speech has always had restraints. Your doctor can't tell you that the test results are negative when they are positive, so why should politicians be able to trick the public?
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» Right--here's how egalitarians can challenge corporate control
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Posted by: reval on Jul 23, 2007 5:46 AM
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The fact that Holy Joe (I guess we're going to start referring to him as "Holy Moses" now), Blunt, McCain, et. al. were in attendance should be fodder for the press for at least the next month. But it won't be!
These jackasses are beyond insane. Their presence at this years annual insano conference (as last year's) fully explains why our country has fallen off the cliff. What else can it do but self destruct when insane assholes like these morons are behind the wheel of ship, with the country's chief insano sitting in the captain's chair no less?
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» RE: Same problem in the UK
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Posted by: vivachavez on Jul 23, 2007 6:14 AM
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It shouldn't be any surprise that Mitch Daniels, the former head of the Office of Management and Budget that never found a domestic program he wouldn't slash funding for, is the Governor of Indiana that pushed through this privatization dubbed "Major Moves."
Mitch even went so far to propose a 75-mile partial outer beltway around Indianapolis dubbed the "Indiana Commerce Connector" that would have been built and operated by a private corporation to pay for the construction of the I-69 extension from Indianapolis to Evansville. Thankfully, that proposal was shot down.
I also want to make a couple of modifications to Hightower's assertions. Initially, the Illiana Expressway through Indiana would have ended at the Indiana Toll Road, but citizen opposition and a Democratic controlled House of Representatives led Mitch to shorten the expressway to end at I-65.
And as it stands now, the I-69 extension will not be tolled at all or sold to a private firm, although that was Mitch's initial plan.
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Posted by: jmndodge on Jul 23, 2007 7:22 AM
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Posted by: Vernacularry on Jul 23, 2007 7:42 AM
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Is this not another reason to take the road management function of their responcibilities away from Politicans?
Elected officials are wary of hiking tolls because of the political backlash they can suffer, and the better pols actually give a damn about keeping costs affordable for regular people. But corporations are not subject to the electorate and thus have no qualms about stiffing the public
Look to Texas' Camino-Colombia Toll Road. In Laredo Texas, a new 22-mile highway was privately constructed and tolled for less than a year. The ownership inaccurately projected significant toll revenue from optimistic estimates of increased truck traffic. When the truckers that the Camino-Colombia Road had counted on, refused to pay the tolls, the road foreclosed and was sold to the State of Texas.
Vivachavez
Initially, the Illiana Expressway through Indiana would have ended at the Indiana Toll Road, but citizen opposition and a Democratic controlled House of Representatives led Mitch to shorten the expressway to end at I-65.
The Illiana Expressway is a project that would have never came about had it not been for Gov. "Quick Fix" Mitch Daniels' Major Moves program. Money from the ITR deal has gone towards the construction of this long awaited road.
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» RE: How's this form of road management bad though?
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» Because these tolls NEVER go away and because the government is in cohoots with the companies
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Posted by: BJT on Jul 23, 2007 7:43 AM
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Private ownership of anything is not a crime. I think government ownership invites more corruption because government is the only institution with a monopoly on coercive force. It will get to monopolize whatever stuff we give it.
I would rather decentralize power and let true privatization of EVERYTHING occur.
If you believe corporations are evil, please keep in mind they are legal entities created by GOVERNMENTS. If we didn't have governments helping people create these fictitious persons, and giving them so many special privileges, a free market would be exactly that, with a low bar of entry and lots of competition, doing everyone a lot of good. Corporations are so ready to engage in fraud and force because the individuals controlling them are often indemnified by the corporate umbrella from the consequences of their actions.
Take out the governmental favoritism, and individuals will be responsible for their own actions again. End of problem.
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» Are privitization and the decentralization of Power compatible?
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» infrastructure conservancy?
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Posted by: spencerh on Jul 23, 2007 7:53 AM
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'If property is held by the state, Rothbard advocates its confiscation and return to the private sector: "any property in the hands of the State is in the hands of thieves, and should be liberated as quickly as possible."'
This is simply a part of America's dominant socio-economic ideology: Market Fundamentalism (Anarcho-capitalism/Libertarianism/Minarchism/Objectivism, specifically)
Destroying the idea of the public good and the commons are not accidental, they are a fundamental part of these ideologies. Remember:
"If it is now the belief of my fellow men, who call themselves the public, that their good requires victims, then I say: The public good be damned, I will have no part of it! - Ayn Rand"
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» Free Market Mania
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Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Jul 23, 2007 8:13 AM
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Same thing gets done with our natural resources. Our politicians don't hate collectivism of any kind because its evil or doesn't work.. .they hate it because it puts resources and tools in the hands of the people, not government. We don't get anything from our natural resources being sold out from under us for pennies (see the timber of the NorthWest)... but government and the corporations who support our politicians sure do benefit from it.
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» RE: Privatization is just the rape of taxpayers.
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Posted by: Mop Cheese on Jul 23, 2007 8:49 AM
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Could it be that removing power over a specific area reduces the chances for corruption in that area?
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» They shoot the corrupt, don't they?
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Posted by: mommy64 on Jul 23, 2007 8:51 AM
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they say, to the highest bidder,
but politicians shape the deals
that guarantee them ownership.
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Posted by: Mop Cheese on Jul 23, 2007 9:11 AM
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Instituted price controls on products in Iraq
Borrowed and spent money at an enormous rate
Signed legislation vastly expanding the government's power
Directed billions in contracts to his and Cheney's business connections--for instance, massive reconstruction deals to KBR et al after hurricane Katrina
Instituted massive tariffs
Signed legislation banning businesses from hiring so-called illegal immigrants
Endorsed constitutional amendments to ban gay marriage
Nope, nepotism, corporatism, and protectionism are not "antigovernment" behaviors. Just because you dislike what he's doing, Mr. Hightower, does not mean he is an anarcho-capitalist. Mr. Hightower seems to have fallen into the sloppy, albeit typical, mistake of equating the US with laissez-faire capitalism and Republicans (the other big government party) with libertarians.
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Posted by: heraclitus on Jul 23, 2007 9:21 AM
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A toll booth blocked the entirety of the road before the next exit. The toll was $3.50 to continue. I explained to the attendant that I simply needed to turn around. There was no traffic.
Nope, can't turn around. $3.50 or sign a voucher.
Curious, I declined. She fetched her supervisor, who explained that I had entered a private road, was subject to private law (privi-lege in latin) and that he would call a trooper if I continued to decline.
I suggested he call the trooper. Thought it would be an interesting conversation.
Not a big priority on the trooper's part ... I waited for him half an hour while they shut down my lane, but he or she never came.
In the course of the waiting I chatted with the toll-keeper. She told me that many people every day found themselves in the same situation, and that the toll had risen from $1.50 from when the road was ceded to the current $3.50 and climbing.
Finally I paid her off and went on my way ... I had time, but not that much time.
When I got home I read about a public road in the next town over that was now banning photography and protest because it had been ceded to a corporation, although the road had been built with public funds.
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Posted by: Logic's Edge on Jul 23, 2007 9:41 AM
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Locally, the government toyed with a privately-owned highway. A Spanish company built it and now operates it.
They're hated for the blatant gouging of the public, but they have their contract and nothing can be done about it. A bad deal all around.
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» RE:Selling off the commons
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Posted by: pre-emptive impeachment on Jul 23, 2007 10:03 AM
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Some toll collectors around Boston are making $50,000/year plus all of the crazy benefits they get for being a government employee. I don't remember how it worked out that way, but that is quite excessive pay. I heard the story on NPR when they were talking about eliminating tolls around Boston because they were no longer needed.
I would assume this is an isolated case but I am not sure. Isolated in the sense of Boston area, not a single employee there.
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Posted by: zooeyhall on Jul 23, 2007 10:20 AM
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My town has 444 people and I heard that the postmaster gets 50K/year plus a ton of benefits. I also heard that this local rural carrier gets 36K/year, and with the depopulation of rural areas I am sure his workload has substantially decreased over the last few years. These people are earning these types of wages in an area where, according to last census, the median income is 18k/year.
Meanwhile, I also receive daily delivery of a local newspaper via their own carriers. They put it into a box that is directly under my mailbox. Monday-Saturday, 52 weeks a year and they have never failed to deliver or refused to deliver it--even bringing it to my front door if there was snow in front of the mailbox. And I am sure that they are working substantially cheaper than the over-paid USPS guys.
I know privitization can cause harm, but I think my story illustrates how it can be beneficial sometimes.
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» But the post office is semi-privatized.
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Posted by: ExAussie on Jul 23, 2007 10:49 AM
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Posted by: lamar on Jul 23, 2007 11:12 AM
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Show me a private road and I'll show you a road that is well maintained. The same is just not true of non-strategic gov't roads. It just isn't.
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Posted by: dajson on Jul 23, 2007 12:25 PM
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» RE: Wise up America
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Posted by: sofla100 on Jul 23, 2007 1:41 PM
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This then, is the basic description of privatization in America and why it does not and has not been working. It is also the reason why there has or was a "public sector," some things just cannot be well privatized. And, if you try to do so, you only end up destroying what you are trying to protect.
Past examples include when California tried to privatize its electrical supply and electrical energy prices soared over 100%. The same thing with our military contractors in Iraq, as they squeeze the "little piggey" of government dry.
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» RE: Most infrastructure in America has always been private...
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Posted by: JayHaden on Jul 23, 2007 2:07 PM
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» RE: does imminent domain come into this?
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All this creates an atmosphere of secrecy in which corporate trade secrets become far more important than educating students or exchanging information with other researchers. More and more college administrators are hired right out of corporate management. This is resulting in low quality education, as such administrators see no value in a broad education for students. The only value they see is in generating patents for their corporate pals.
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This is going to be the story more and more. The recent proliferation of casinos all over the US are also part of this logic as they to provide a tax on the poor to help pay state and local government bills. This is part of the great tax shift and the bigger ongoing story of the even greater wealth shift from the poor and middle classes to the rich. Privatization of War is only part of the story. It will be something that increasingly invades our lives as the society polarizes more and more. In just a few more years the middle class will truely be history.
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While we're at it, we should probably reconsider monarchy, illiteracy, fundamentalism and imperialism, maybe this go around we'll have better luck! It couldn't hurt to try right?
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Walter Reed Privatization
A couple good sources, but whuddup with the second result?
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Posted by: Suzon on Jul 23, 2007 3:26 AM
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Can the Dems do anything but assure themselves that they do more good than harm? After all, you need money to give to the media to get elected and corporations hand it out big time.
Two suggestions: Give the politicians equal--and limited--but free television and radio broadcasts. This is the one thing that the UK government does that is worth copying.
The second suggestion is that the broadcasts must not be misleading as judged by an independent panel.
Freedom of speech has always had restraints. Your doctor can't tell you that the test results are negative when they are positive, so why should politicians be able to trick the public?
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Posted by: reval on Jul 23, 2007 5:46 AM
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The fact that Holy Joe (I guess we're going to start referring to him as "Holy Moses" now), Blunt, McCain, et. al. were in attendance should be fodder for the press for at least the next month. But it won't be!
These jackasses are beyond insane. Their presence at this years annual insano conference (as last year's) fully explains why our country has fallen off the cliff. What else can it do but self destruct when insane assholes like these morons are behind the wheel of ship, with the country's chief insano sitting in the captain's chair no less?
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Posted by: vivachavez on Jul 23, 2007 6:14 AM
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It shouldn't be any surprise that Mitch Daniels, the former head of the Office of Management and Budget that never found a domestic program he wouldn't slash funding for, is the Governor of Indiana that pushed through this privatization dubbed "Major Moves."
Mitch even went so far to propose a 75-mile partial outer beltway around Indianapolis dubbed the "Indiana Commerce Connector" that would have been built and operated by a private corporation to pay for the construction of the I-69 extension from Indianapolis to Evansville. Thankfully, that proposal was shot down.
I also want to make a couple of modifications to Hightower's assertions. Initially, the Illiana Expressway through Indiana would have ended at the Indiana Toll Road, but citizen opposition and a Democratic controlled House of Representatives led Mitch to shorten the expressway to end at I-65.
And as it stands now, the I-69 extension will not be tolled at all or sold to a private firm, although that was Mitch's initial plan.
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Is this not another reason to take the road management function of their responcibilities away from Politicans?
Elected officials are wary of hiking tolls because of the political backlash they can suffer, and the better pols actually give a damn about keeping costs affordable for regular people. But corporations are not subject to the electorate and thus have no qualms about stiffing the public
Look to Texas' Camino-Colombia Toll Road. In Laredo Texas, a new 22-mile highway was privately constructed and tolled for less than a year. The ownership inaccurately projected significant toll revenue from optimistic estimates of increased truck traffic. When the truckers that the Camino-Colombia Road had counted on, refused to pay the tolls, the road foreclosed and was sold to the State of Texas.
Vivachavez
Initially, the Illiana Expressway through Indiana would have ended at the Indiana Toll Road, but citizen opposition and a Democratic controlled House of Representatives led Mitch to shorten the expressway to end at I-65.
The Illiana Expressway is a project that would have never came about had it not been for Gov. "Quick Fix" Mitch Daniels' Major Moves program. Money from the ITR deal has gone towards the construction of this long awaited road.
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» Because these tolls NEVER go away and because the government is in cohoots with the companies
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Posted by: BJT on Jul 23, 2007 7:43 AM
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Private ownership of anything is not a crime. I think government ownership invites more corruption because government is the only institution with a monopoly on coercive force. It will get to monopolize whatever stuff we give it.
I would rather decentralize power and let true privatization of EVERYTHING occur.
If you believe corporations are evil, please keep in mind they are legal entities created by GOVERNMENTS. If we didn't have governments helping people create these fictitious persons, and giving them so many special privileges, a free market would be exactly that, with a low bar of entry and lots of competition, doing everyone a lot of good. Corporations are so ready to engage in fraud and force because the individuals controlling them are often indemnified by the corporate umbrella from the consequences of their actions.
Take out the governmental favoritism, and individuals will be responsible for their own actions again. End of problem.
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Posted by: spencerh on Jul 23, 2007 7:53 AM
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'If property is held by the state, Rothbard advocates its confiscation and return to the private sector: "any property in the hands of the State is in the hands of thieves, and should be liberated as quickly as possible."'
This is simply a part of America's dominant socio-economic ideology: Market Fundamentalism (Anarcho-capitalism/Libertarianism/Minarchism/Objectivism, specifically)
Destroying the idea of the public good and the commons are not accidental, they are a fundamental part of these ideologies. Remember:
"If it is now the belief of my fellow men, who call themselves the public, that their good requires victims, then I say: The public good be damned, I will have no part of it! - Ayn Rand"
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Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Jul 23, 2007 8:13 AM
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Same thing gets done with our natural resources. Our politicians don't hate collectivism of any kind because its evil or doesn't work.. .they hate it because it puts resources and tools in the hands of the people, not government. We don't get anything from our natural resources being sold out from under us for pennies (see the timber of the NorthWest)... but government and the corporations who support our politicians sure do benefit from it.
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Posted by: Mop Cheese on Jul 23, 2007 8:49 AM
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Could it be that removing power over a specific area reduces the chances for corruption in that area?
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Posted by: mommy64 on Jul 23, 2007 8:51 AM
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they say, to the highest bidder,
but politicians shape the deals
that guarantee them ownership.
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Posted by: Mop Cheese on Jul 23, 2007 9:11 AM
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Instituted price controls on products in Iraq
Borrowed and spent money at an enormous rate
Signed legislation vastly expanding the government's power
Directed billions in contracts to his and Cheney's business connections--for instance, massive reconstruction deals to KBR et al after hurricane Katrina
Instituted massive tariffs
Signed legislation banning businesses from hiring so-called illegal immigrants
Endorsed constitutional amendments to ban gay marriage
Nope, nepotism, corporatism, and protectionism are not "antigovernment" behaviors. Just because you dislike what he's doing, Mr. Hightower, does not mean he is an anarcho-capitalist. Mr. Hightower seems to have fallen into the sloppy, albeit typical, mistake of equating the US with laissez-faire capitalism and Republicans (the other big government party) with libertarians.
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Posted by: heraclitus on Jul 23, 2007 9:21 AM
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A toll booth blocked the entirety of the road before the next exit. The toll was $3.50 to continue. I explained to the attendant that I simply needed to turn around. There was no traffic.
Nope, can't turn around. $3.50 or sign a voucher.
Curious, I declined. She fetched her supervisor, who explained that I had entered a private road, was subject to private law (privi-lege in latin) and that he would call a trooper if I continued to decline.
I suggested he call the trooper. Thought it would be an interesting conversation.
Not a big priority on the trooper's part ... I waited for him half an hour while they shut down my lane, but he or she never came.
In the course of the waiting I chatted with the toll-keeper. She told me that many people every day found themselves in the same situation, and that the toll had risen from $1.50 from when the road was ceded to the current $3.50 and climbing.
Finally I paid her off and went on my way ... I had time, but not that much time.
When I got home I read about a public road in the next town over that was now banning photography and protest because it had been ceded to a corporation, although the road had been built with public funds.
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Posted by: Logic's Edge on Jul 23, 2007 9:41 AM
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Locally, the government toyed with a privately-owned highway. A Spanish company built it and now operates it.
They're hated for the blatant gouging of the public, but they have their contract and nothing can be done about it. A bad deal all around.
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Posted by: pre-emptive impeachment on Jul 23, 2007 10:03 AM
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Some toll collectors around Boston are making $50,000/year plus all of the crazy benefits they get for being a government employee. I don't remember how it worked out that way, but that is quite excessive pay. I heard the story on NPR when they were talking about eliminating tolls around Boston because they were no longer needed.
I would assume this is an isolated case but I am not sure. Isolated in the sense of Boston area, not a single employee there.
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Posted by: zooeyhall on Jul 23, 2007 10:20 AM
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My town has 444 people and I heard that the postmaster gets 50K/year plus a ton of benefits. I also heard that this local rural carrier gets 36K/year, and with the depopulation of rural areas I am sure his workload has substantially decreased over the last few years. These people are earning these types of wages in an area where, according to last census, the median income is 18k/year.
Meanwhile, I also receive daily delivery of a local newspaper via their own carriers. They put it into a box that is directly under my mailbox. Monday-Saturday, 52 weeks a year and they have never failed to deliver or refused to deliver it--even bringing it to my front door if there was snow in front of the mailbox. And I am sure that they are working substantially cheaper than the over-paid USPS guys.
I know privitization can cause harm, but I think my story illustrates how it can be beneficial sometimes.
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Posted by: lamar on Jul 23, 2007 11:12 AM
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Show me a private road and I'll show you a road that is well maintained. The same is just not true of non-strategic gov't roads. It just isn't.
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Posted by: sofla100 on Jul 23, 2007 1:41 PM
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This then, is the basic description of privatization in America and why it does not and has not been working. It is also the reason why there has or was a "public sector," some things just cannot be well privatized. And, if you try to do so, you only end up destroying what you are trying to protect.
Past examples include when California tried to privatize its electrical supply and electrical energy prices soared over 100%. The same thing with our military contractors in Iraq, as they squeeze the "little piggey" of government dry.
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Jul 23, 2007 4:59 PM
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All this creates an atmosphere of secrecy in which corporate trade secrets become far more important than educating students or exchanging information with other researchers. More and more college administrators are hired right out of corporate management. This is resulting in low quality education, as such administrators see no value in a broad education for students. The only value they see is in generating patents for their corporate pals.
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This is going to be the story more and more. The recent proliferation of casinos all over the US are also part of this logic as they to provide a tax on the poor to help pay state and local government bills. This is part of the great tax shift and the bigger ongoing story of the even greater wealth shift from the poor and middle classes to the rich. Privatization of War is only part of the story. It will be something that increasingly invades our lives as the society polarizes more and more. In just a few more years the middle class will truely be history.
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While we're at it, we should probably reconsider monarchy, illiteracy, fundamentalism and imperialism, maybe this go around we'll have better luck! It couldn't hurt to try right?
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Walter Reed Privatization
A couple good sources, but whuddup with the second result?
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