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Neocons on a Cruise: What Conservatives Say When They Think We Aren't Listening

By Johann Hari, Independent UK. Posted July 17, 2007.


The Iraq war has been an amazing success, global warming is just a myth and Guantanamo Bay is practically a holiday camp. The annual cruise organized by the 'National Review,' mouthpiece of right-wing America, is a parallel universe populated by straight-talking, gun-toting, God-fearing Republicans.
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I am standing waist-deep in the Pacific Ocean, both chilling and burning, indulging in the polite chit-chat beloved by vacationing Americans. A sweet elderly lady from Los Angeles is sitting on the rocks nearby, telling me dreamily about her son. "Is he your only child?" I ask. "Yes," she says. "Do you have a child back in England?" she asks. No, I say. Her face darkens. "You'd better start," she says. "The Muslims are breeding. Soon, they'll have the whole of Europe."

I am getting used to these moments - when gentle holiday geniality bleeds into… what? I lie on the beach with Hillary-Ann, a chatty, scatty 35-year-old Californian designer. As she explains the perils of Republican dating, my mind drifts, watching the gentle tide. When I hear her say, " Of course, we need to execute some of these people," I wake up. Who do we need to execute? She runs her fingers through the sand lazily. "A few of these prominent liberals who are trying to demoralise the country," she says. "Just take a couple of these anti-war people off to the gas chamber for treason to show, if you try to bring down America at a time of war, that's what you'll get." She squints at the sun and smiles. " Then things'll change."

I am travelling on a bright white cruise ship with two restaurants, five bars, a casino - and 500 readers of the National Review. Here, the Iraq war has been "an amazing success". Global warming is not happening. The solitary black person claims, "If the Ku Klux Klan supports equal rights, then God bless them." And I have nowhere to run.

From time to time, National Review - the bible of American conservatism - organises a cruise for its readers. I paid $1,200 to join them. The rules I imposed on myself were simple: If any of the conservative cruisers asked who I was, I answered honestly, telling them I was a journalist. Mostly, I just tried to blend in - and find out what American conservatives say when they think the rest of us aren't listening.

From sweet to suicide bomber

I arrive at the dockside in San Diego on Saturday afternoon and stare up at the Oosterdam, our home for the next seven days. Filipino boat hands are loading trunks into the hull and wealthy white folk are gliding onto its polished boards with pale sun parasols dangling off their arms.

The Reviewers have been told to gather for a cocktail reception on the Lido, near the very top of the ship. I arrive to find a tableau from Gone With the Wind, washed in a thousand shades of grey. Southern belles - aged and pinched - are flirting with old conservative warriors. The etiquette here is different from anything I have ever seen. It takes me 15 minutes to realise what is wrong with this scene. There are no big hugs, no warm kisses. This is a place of starchy handshakes. Men approach each other with stiffened spines, puffed-out chests and crunching handshakes. Women are greeted with a single kiss on the cheek. Anything more would be French.

I adjust and stiffly greet the first man I see. He is a judge, with the craggy self-important charm that slowly consumes any judge. He is from Canada, he declares (a little more apologetically), and is the founding president of "Canadians Against Suicide Bombing". Would there be many members of "Canadians for Suicide Bombing?" I ask. Dismayed, he suggests that yes, there would.

A bell rings somewhere, and we are all beckoned to dinner. We have been assigned random seats, which will change each night. We will, the publicity pack promises, each dine with at least one National Review speaker during our trip.

To my left, I find a middle-aged Floridian with a neat beard. To my right are two elderly New Yorkers who look and sound like late-era Dorothy Parkers, minus the alcohol poisoning. They live on Park Avenue, they explain in precise Northern tones. "You must live near the UN building," the Floridian says to one of the New York ladies after the entree is served. Yes, she responds, shaking her head wearily. "They should suicide-bomb that place," he says. They all chuckle gently. How did that happen? How do you go from sweet to suicide-bomb in six seconds?

The conversation ebbs back to friendly chit-chat. So, you're a European, one of the Park Avenue ladies says, before offering witty commentaries on the cities she's visited. Her companion adds, "I went to Paris, and it was so lovely." Her face darkens: "But then you think - it's surrounded by Muslims." The first lady nods: "They're out there, and they're coming." Emboldened, the bearded Floridian wags a finger and says, "Down the line, we're not going to bail out the French again." He mimes picking up a phone and shouts into it, "I can't hear you, Jacques! What's that? The Muslims are doing what to you? I can't hear you!"

Now that this barrier has been broken - everyone agrees the Muslims are devouring the French, and everyone agrees it's funny - the usual suspects are quickly rounded up. Jimmy Carter is "almost a traitor". John McCain is "crazy" because of "all that torture". One of the Park Avenue ladies declares that she gets on her knees every day to " thank God for Fox News". As the wine reaches the Floridian, he announces, "This cruise is the best money I ever spent."

They rush through the Rush-list of liberals who hate America, who want her to fail, and I ask them - why are liberals like this? What's their motivation? They stutter to a halt and there is a long, puzzled silence. " It's a good question," one of them, Martha, says finally. I have asked them to peer into the minds of cartoons and they are suddenly, reluctantly confronted with the hollowness of their creation. "There have always been intellectuals who want to tell people how to live," Martha adds, to an almost visible sense of relief. That's it - the intellectuals! They are not like us. Dave changes the subject, to wash away this moment of cognitive dissonance. "The liberals don't believe in the constitution. They don't believe in what the founders wanted - a strong executive," he announces, to nods. A Filipino waiter offers him a top-up of his wine, and he mock-whispers to me, "They all look the same! Can you tell them apart?" I stare out to sea. How long would it take me to drown?


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The StrangeLove Boat
Posted by: mercianomad on Jul 17, 2007 2:14 AM   
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Nice to see the designs they have for us. Kill the liberals, no? So many of the neocon dreams and solutions for problems in that article seem to revolve around doling out hypothetical death to anyone who challenges their worldview. No empathy allowed on this cruise.

And the shocking hubris! The emphasis is entirely on winning this, that and the other thing - no compromises - betraying the inherent ethical deterioration in a competition-based society instead of a cooperative one. That "winner/loser" false dichotomy is such awful semantics anyway. Where do they get this? Is it the warfare worship, transforming life into their own little sporting event? Maybe one day they will see that there are entirely variable standards of success and failure in life. These folks fail at being human beings, for example. But one is left with the impression that with people who think that money, property, victory, and power are the only things in the world worth thinking about, the concept of multivalued orientation skyrockets over their heads. Sad.

Buckley was the only one who sounded even remotely like a mensch; his progeny turned out to be some batch of horrid thalidomide babies. And one gets the feeling he's not entirely happy about it, despite winning "his" war.

Speaking of babies, the Hitlerian "Lebensborn Experiment" baby-making advice at the end was beyond creepy. What planet is this anyway?

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Your "war truths" are crap
Posted by: Ellie1 on Jul 17, 2007 2:58 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
The economy is booming for the top three percent. The rest are just getting by or worse.

Greatest period of prosperity in world history? According to who? Big corporations again. Who do you work for (or own) ? Exxon?

More people have been lifted out of poverty-not true. There are more people IN poverty than ever-and mostly children.

Change your screen name from Bobsays to Bushsays.

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» RE: Your "war truths" are crap Posted by: levintofu
Actually what the left say behind closed doors is
Posted by: Cruella on Jul 17, 2007 5:24 AM   
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» Get out of the echo chamber Posted by: Bobsays
» Ethics Posted by: brunowe
» RE: Get out of the echo chamber Posted by: ssegallmd
» RE: Get out of the echo chamber Posted by: kelly.nickell
RE: What the left say behind closed doors
Posted by: metavurt on Jul 17, 2007 6:40 AM   
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Actually bob, our country *always* booms with and just after a war. It's how it's set up, dumbass.

Sure, we're in the greatest (learn to spell, monkey) period of prosperity in world history, but not for America. Checked the stats on the trade levels, my friend? We're going to owe China our souls very soon, and it has nothing to do with the shittyass war.

Give us links to your stats about poverty. Really. Find *one* that proves we have less people living in poverty than before.

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» Iran Posted by: Melvin
RE: What the left say behind closed doors
Posted by: particle on Jul 17, 2007 8:16 AM   
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Hmm. You are an odd one, Bobsays, but you sure can churn out the platitudes, I'll give you that. You could probably make a career out of blowing blue sky up people's shorts at business seminars.

"- most people have not been affected"

I guess that depends on what you mean by 'affected.' There's a ripple effect to soldiers coming home dead and damaged. To their families, to their friends, to their communities, to our country. There are the opportunities that are lost with all the money, resources, and attention squandered on this war. That affects us all. There's the loss of face in the world. That affects us all (even the socially stunted, though they don't realize it, Bob). There's the permanent damage that's been done to America's system of checks and balances. There's a renewed and vigorous cynicism about our government. And of course there are the people in Iraq, Bobsays, who to people like you are just abstractions.

Stop romanticizing the blather of crusty old farts and grow up goddammit.

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More people lifted out of poverty?
Posted by: ladmeaux on Jul 17, 2007 8:49 AM   
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According to studies I have read recently, the number of people in the US living in poverty has increased under the Bush Administration, and as a percentage of US population over all, is higher than it has been for many years. So people are not being lifted out of poverty, more people are being reduced to poverty level status due to Bush Adminstration's economic policies.

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RE: What the left say behind closed doors
Posted by: maddy on Jul 17, 2007 9:13 AM   
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Let me take a deep breath first.

....inhale...

...

exhale...

Okay, I'm ready.

Others have poked holes in your "war truths," so I'll take on the first batch. They were:

1. "hey, 9/11 was a good thing and I kind of wish it would have happened more often" Please find me an example of a dreaded American liberal saying "Woo hoo, just LOVED that 9/11." Please. One. Admittedly, you should probably wait until the "I love 9/11" parade, as there you'll find all of us in one place.

2. "why can't we just give in to Osama and fundamentalists." "Giving in," of course, must mean NOT bombing the whole of the Middle East and sending our troops to "secure" Iraq's oil. We must keep bombing, torturing, and raiding Iraqi homes. Iraqis surely admire our resolve on that score. After all, we're so dedicated to bringing them freedom and stopping the growth of terrorism that we've deprived them of fresh water, electricity, and basic security. They will be so grateful to us, for decades to come.

This would also be the point to reference Bush's ties to the Saudi royal family. Ya know, Saudia Arabia: that bastion of freedom.

3. "when's the next international meeting so we can provoke a riot." Ya know, as a leftie-activist, I just can't keep straight which riot I'm heading to next.

If you were to actually research any global-wide protest against the WTO or the IMF, you'd actually find that the police instigate and carry out the violence, and do so against a peaceful majority.

4. "let's make a marriage of convenience with islamic fundamentalism because it hates Bush and capitalism as much as we. Consider that reality has more than 2 sides (one absolutely good, the other absolutely evil). Find me ANY anti-war American who wants Americans to convert to Islamic fundamentalism. We anti-war folks are scared enough by the batshit Christian sects in the U.S.

A final, and equally scary, thought: This list of yours basically boils down to the whole "We have to fight 'em over there so we don't have to fight 'em over here," a sentiment I still can't think on without giggling. But, anyway, considering that you're distraught that Americans aren't affected enough by the war to understand its implications, is it possible that you--in your darkest moments--hope for another domestic terrorist attack to prove you right and rally the fearful to your cause? Thus, aren't YOU the one who secretly loves 9/11? Be sure to invite me to the parade.

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RE: What the left say behind closed doors
Posted by: hot karlrove on Jul 17, 2007 9:47 AM   
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What the Left ( sane ) really say behind closed doors...

Hmm I better get a gun and learn how to use it.

What's the status of my application of citizenship in the EU, Australia, NZ, Canada?

How am I going to protect my children from this madness?

Is this conversation being monitored?

Ron Paul is on to something.

Hillary??? Puhlease!!!

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RE: What the left say behind closed doors
Posted by: mejsmith on Jul 17, 2007 12:04 PM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I'd say that 9/11 and Osama have been a blessing for the right. Allows them to take away civil rights from those nasty Liberals and Lefties. How dare they have an opinion that contradicts the right. Democracy and freedom are whatever the right says it is and those who disagree should be shot and buried, like the traitors they are. The right must look on with envy at what countries like China can get away with. That's the kind of freedom and democracy they embrace.

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RE: What Bobsays... this article demonstrates.
Posted by: Ghoulman on Jul 17, 2007 12:48 PM   
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... I feel the need to point out that, mainly, neoconservatives don't make up silly things like this, as Bobsays has listed. They actually get these "talking points" from the various "conservative" media sources and merely repeats them.

Works like a charm... until the message becomes familiar and repeated, if in different forms. People begin to see it's not in line with reality. The one around them.

Of course no one, ever, wished for another 9/11... except Dick Cheney and Osama Bin Laden (what a pair). But neoliars like Bobsays have no problem declaring any American who disagrees with him a traitor. Someone deserving of torture, rape, and slow death.

It's sickening. What if Bobsays was a cop? He could ruin your life in one night.

Personally, I'm all for figuring out who he is (there are ways) and having a little "chat" with Bobsays in his driveway. You know the one Bob? The one with the garage out in the suburbs Bob.

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» RE: Hey... just a chat. Posted by: Ghoulman
RE: What the left say behind closed doors
Posted by: Wacre on Jul 17, 2007 1:21 PM   
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Bobsays nonsense! Any evidence one way or the other for the points that you raise? Or is your post supposed to be somehow ironic being that you have (I assume) just read an article about where old, tired neo-cons go to be amongst their own kind?

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RE: What the left say behind closed doors
Posted by: kelly.nickell on Jul 17, 2007 4:03 PM   
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Bob, you really should try a different brand of scotch.

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RE: What the left say behind closed doors
Posted by: tgabriel on Jul 17, 2007 4:17 PM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
You must not have read your history book - you know, the part about WWI, Korea, and Viet Nam.

Your "war truths" fit them all nicely.

You are just a typical right wing dullard. Go back under your rock.

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the 2000 year old dead man says:
Posted by: mizipi on Jul 17, 2007 4:13 AM   
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Forgive then Father, they don't have any idea as to what they are doing.

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Won't you let me take you on a sea cruise????
Posted by: Tom Degan on Jul 17, 2007 4:43 AM   
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WOW! Can you even imagine it? Taking a summer cruise with the creme de la creme of America's half-witted right wing! Think of the possibilities of some serious mischief! This really gives me some serious ideas!

Can you imagine the damage one could do by infiltrating one of those excursions??? You could really fuck with their minds in serious, traumatizing ways - without even shedding a drop of blood and without ever even blowing your cover! Subtle, psychcologocal warfare can, indeed, be a devistating thing. Two or three agent provocatuers, working the room in a low key way could pull off some really funny pranks!

It boggles the mind!

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
"The Rant" by Tom Degan

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Conservatives are not afraid to state their beliefs out loud.........
Posted by: kbest on Jul 17, 2007 4:53 AM   
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for anyone to hear, anytime.

This article is bunk.

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» bunk? where's the proof? Posted by: zooeyhall
Ten out of ten for acting
Posted by: Cruella on Jul 17, 2007 5:21 AM   
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Must have been so hard to avoid screaming at them. Great article. Would be interesting to get them onto the subject of abstinence-only education programs and all that stuff.

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Would make a great movie
Posted by: edraven on Jul 17, 2007 5:48 AM   
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I couldn't stop reading. The only thing you would have to do to make it believable is change it to a science fiction film.

No one would think this kind of delusion could be possible. I remember "Ship of Fools."

Don't do Black and White this time. The film should use garish computer generated colors - - like the red dresses and lipsticks of neo-con molls.

Ed Graham

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I'd love to believe there really is a liberal conspiracy
Posted by: nopuppy on Jul 17, 2007 5:55 AM   
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And that this article is part of its insidious propaganda. But unfortunately I know a number of these folks. Like the relative (by marriage) who traces all of America's ills back to the [gasp!] ACLU!

But most of the folks I know are middle-of-the-road conservative boobies, the kind who forward you emails about our gallant boys (sometimes girls) in Iraq, or pictures of the World Trade Center with the flag fluttering behind it.

Oh lord, this is so depressing. Makes me want to just find a rock (in a more advanced society) and crawl under it.

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» The in-fertile crescent Posted by: maddy
Our fifth column
Posted by: reinaldok on Jul 17, 2007 6:33 AM   
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During the Spanish civil war, the pro-Franco military commander said: "We have four columns of infantry ready to attack Madrid and one fifth column already inside the city."
These neo-cons - right wingers or whatever you want to call them are our ever so dangerous fifth column. How many of them are there? 28% ? I meet them just about every day.
Yes, they are supposedly friends, neighbors, co-workers and the guy on the street. What can we do about this? I certainly don't have a great idea. But if we ever want some world peace, we have to combat them and absolutely not let them get away with their absurd spouting.

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Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha
Posted by: grim ripper on Jul 17, 2007 6:38 AM   
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Brilliant! Now that's journalism. Too bad he wasn't muslim, too. The Yes Men oughta infiltrate such a ship.
My parents also cling tenaciously to this conviction that the muslims will be taking over the world soon. Is that one of the preachings of Fox Noise? Because they watch that constantly....

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» Is it possible... Posted by: hurricane hugo
» "not decadent enough"? Posted by: karma_ran_over_dogma
slave emancipation
Posted by: zooeyhall on Jul 17, 2007 6:43 AM   
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I think these people are so nutty-right that they still have a problem dealing with the fact that the slaves were freed.

I hate to think of these people having kids---it could be considered child abuse.

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Attention Comedy Central
Posted by: Urstrly on Jul 17, 2007 6:45 AM   
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You've just outlined the plot for a fantastic new sit-com, Ship of Fascists. I couldn't stop reading because the list of supposed intellectuals kept pulling me through the predictable quotes from the airhead paying passengers. If these people had no money and no power, I could laugh a little harder. But then, who would care?

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They Ought To Call It The SS Racist
Posted by: rgoalierob on Jul 17, 2007 6:50 AM   
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There ought to be a fund set up to Rehab these folks.

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On the other hand.........
Posted by: al.dilorenzo@ncmail.net on Jul 17, 2007 7:01 AM   
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I think this would make a great movie. Actually a Horror movie.
One broad minded thinking guy trapped out at sea with a ship full of rich white right-wing conservative people. It's rich with possibilities. The profits can go to education low income voter. ADL

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One of the reasons why Iraq is a quagmire.
Posted by: HughScott on Jul 17, 2007 7:07 AM   
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The most important sentence in Johann Hari’s entertaining article concerned the husband of National Review cruise guest commentator, Kate O'Beirne.

Wrote Hari, “As I enter the onboard restaurant she is sitting among adoring Reviewers with her husband Jim, who announces that he is Donald Rumsfeld's personnel director.”

My curiosity tweaked, I googled “Jim O'Beirne” and ran across a Washington Post article headlined, “Ties to GOP Trumped Know-How Among Staff Sent to Rebuild Iraq,” written by Rajiv Chandrasekaran, author of Imperial Life in the Emerald City.

Published on September 17, 2006, the opening paragraphs mentioned Jim O'Beirne this way:

After the fall of Saddam Hussein's government in April 2003, the opportunity to participate in the U.S.-led effort to reconstruct Iraq attracted all manner of Americans -- restless professionals, Arabic-speaking academics, development specialists and war-zone adventurers. But before they could go to Baghdad, they had to get past Jim O'Beirne's office in the Pentagon.

To pass muster with O'Beirne, a political appointee who screens prospective political appointees for Defense Department posts, applicants didn't need to be experts in the Middle East or in post-conflict reconstruction. What seemed most important was loyalty to the Bush administration.

O'Beirne's staff posed blunt questions to some candidates about domestic politics: Did you vote for George W. Bush in 2000? Do you support the way the president is fighting the war on terror? Two people who sought jobs with the U.S. occupation authority said they were even asked their views on Roe v. Wade.

Many of those chosen by O'Beirne's office to work for the Coalition Provisional Authority, which ran Iraq's government from April 2003 to June 2004, lacked vital skills and experience. A 24-year-old who had never worked in finance -- but had applied for a White House job -- was sent to reopen Baghdad's stock exchange. The daughter of a prominent neoconservative commentator and a recent graduate from an evangelical university for home-schooled children were tapped to manage Iraq's $13 billion budget, even though they didn't have a background in accounting.


End of extract.

The remainder of Chandrasekaran’s dynamite disclosure is over 5,000 words. I urge all AlterNet users who oppose Bush’s unjustified war of choice to read the entire article by googling, “Chandrasekaran Washington Post September 17, 2006.”

Hugh E. Scott, Vietnam vet and editor of the nonprofit investigative website, King-George.biz, which features 50 cartoons, photos and other Bushwhacking illustrations plus the only hardcopy proof of White House corruption ever found on the Internet.

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Great illumination of the far Right's fundamental assumption
Posted by: daw13 on Jul 17, 2007 7:14 AM   
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Which is that oppression is still a FEASIBLE way for the U.S. to deal with challenges to it's imperial dominance. No one on the right considers the possibility that even with all the liberals controlled or disappeared, with Rumsfields and Cheneys fully in charge, a Clash of Civilizations based foreign policy might no longer constitute good strategy, much less decency.

Unfortunately, the Left isn't asking this question either. Unfortunately, in a world in which it seems reasonable to many people to join the side of the stronger, this question must be examined.

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HOW DID HE DO IT?
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Jul 17, 2007 7:15 AM   
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The proverbial 'fly on the wall'. I'm not surprised he got to wondering how long it would take him to drown. Thanks to the author for sharing his memorable time with us. It's a classic piece. They all believe every word of what they say. They must represent Bush's remaining -30% approval people. Which would explain why they don't laugh much. It certainly tells us alot about the people running the show. Thanks, ANNA

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From a Non-Liberal and a Non-Conservative
Posted by: Canes816 on Jul 17, 2007 7:28 AM   
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First let me say that I was drawn to this article after seeing it on one of the news aggregators (Reddit.com) and found the title interesting. Upon reading it, I'm glad I did. This stuff is not all new and I knew there were many out there that felt this way, it's just hard to picture them in the light you described. I would have assumed these people were toothless and living in trailers in middle America. It is frightening to hear polarized viewpoints from people, be they conservative or liberal. I still listen, since I like to get both sides of the story, in order to decide for myself what I think. Excellent article and interesting that a cruise like this exists. I guess everyone needs a vacation, and what they do on vacation is, of course, their perrogative.

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What is inversely proportional?
Posted by: Bic Pentameter on Jul 17, 2007 7:28 AM   
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The quality of an immigrant is inversely proportional to the distance travelled to get to the United States

In other words latinos suck.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I suspect D'Sousa might have said directly proportional, or have meant to. Inversely proportional yields the axioms 'great distance, low quality' and 'short distance, great quality'.

In other words, latinos are the best. Those from India the worst.

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Just prooves my motto...
Posted by: Ellie1 on Jul 17, 2007 8:03 AM   
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there is no underestimating the intelligence of the American public-especially in red states.

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» RE: Just prooves my motto... Posted by: Kodiak44
Bill Doesn't get it?
Posted by: etisoppa on Jul 17, 2007 9:18 AM   
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You said:

"President Bush described today's American conservatives as "Bill's children". I ask him ( Bill Buckley) if he feels like a parent whose kids grew up to be serial killers. He smiles slightly, and his blue eyes appear to twinkle. Then he sighs, "The answer is no. Because what animated the conservative core for 40 years was the Soviet menace, plus the rise of dogmatic socialism. That's pretty well gone."

Does Mr. Buckley not realize that the present threat is even more insidious that the former Soviet threat? This present threat can unintentionally, or be used internally to intentionally change the very Founding Father, Jeffersonian character of the US and other Western democracies?

And what is this threat? We may say its outward face is Islamo- (extremist)-fascism. We (at this internet site and others) tend to know that there/these are also permutations on behind the scene conspiracies that are going on.

But Mr. Buckley is a very smart, intelligent man. I am sure he knows all this, but failed to say so? To some this is quite telling, or just more conformation of the now obvious.

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» RE: Bill Doesn't get it? Posted by: willymack
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Amazing and scary.
Posted by: willymack on Jul 17, 2007 10:00 AM   
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A "genteel" woman posing a suicide bombing as a solution to ANYTHING just boggles the mind. I didn't read about her volunteering for the job.I wonder why. Have you ever met anybody so stupid and ignorant you wonder how they've survived as long as they have? The fact that many of these nuts occupy socially prominent positions is what's so scary, and doesn't speak that well for the rest of us, either, because, after all, we enable them to affect the rest of us.

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» Being there Posted by: Melvin
Ship of Fools Sails Again- and again, and again...
Posted by: earthmother on Jul 17, 2007 10:13 AM   
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I am not the first to say it but it bears repeating... Just because you have money does not prove you are, in any way, intelligent. It just means you have money. And for some of these idiots, it is most likely the only way they can survive!

It's scary, really, to think that a) money buys action and b) these are the lunatics with money! I mean...

Further example: My mate plays music in retirement communities. Just after the devastating tsunami of Indonesia one of the blue-haired (and ludicrously weathy) residents commented thusly, "Did you hear about that flood in Indonesia? That's terrible! Why, our clothing prices are going to go right through the roof!"

What the fuck is one to say or think in the face of such self-absorbed ignorance and stupidity?

It's a good thing for them they have money. On the other hand... when they spend so lavishly on themselves, they are leaving less to their inbred progeny!

They and their ilk are proof that evolution is not a one-way street. They also give evidence that some species' variations are dead-end branches of the tree of evolution. See. Nature DOES make mistakes. It just takes a while to make them extinct!

I say, let us hurry on, privatise space colonization, and load this ship of fools onto another kind of ship. One that is ready to go where no fools have gone before!

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Where's a torpedo when you really need one?
Posted by: kwalla on Jul 17, 2007 10:17 AM   
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Or a convenient iceberg...

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Neoconservatives, neoliberals and neocolonialists...
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Jul 17, 2007 10:38 AM   
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Self-styled conservatives are better understood as regressives. They are typically fairly inco