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Bush Government to Poor Voters: We Don't Want You to Vote
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"It's huge. It's another area where the administration is failing us," said Donna Brazile, chair of the Democratic National Committee's Voting Rights Institute, speaking of the Department of Justice's oversight of the nation's voter registration laws. "They are not pushing states to recognize their voter registration responsibilities."
At the same time, the Justice Department's Voting Section, which enforces voting rights and supervises elections in some states, is pressuring 10 states to do more to purge voter rolls -- or remove ineligible voters -- before the 2008 presidential election, according to letters sent to state election officials this spring.
"We conducted an analysis of each state's total voter registration numbers as a percentage of citizen voting age population," wrote John Tanner, the Department of Justice Voting Section chief, in an April 18, 2007, letter to North Carolina's top election official. "We write now to assess the changes in your voter registration list ... and the subsequent removal of persons no longer eligible to vote."
Cynthia Magnuson, a Justice Department spokeswoman, confirmed in an e-mail that similar letters had been sent to 10 states, but did not list the recipients. "The Department actively works with all states to comply with all provisions of the statutes we enforce," she said.
Voter lists are updated because people move, die or lose their right to vote if convicted of felonies. But because this process occurs out of public view and without much regulation, it can be open to partisan abuse or produce incorrect results, such as in Florida in 2000 when an estimated 50,000 voters were incorrectly removed from voter registration lists.
The contrast of a Justice Department that apparently has not enforced voter registration opportunities for poor people -- who tend to vote Democratic -- and a department that is pressuring states to more thoroughly trim voter rolls has prompted some voting rights advocates to accuse the agency of selective enforcement and partisan bias.
"I think it's pretty clear the Justice Department is pursing a partisan agenda to get states to purge voters while ignoring requirements to get states to register voters," said Michael Slater, deputy director of Project Vote, a national nonprofit specializing in voter registration drives targeting low- and moderate-income families.
Voting Section chief John Tanner did return a telephone call to discuss his office's priorities and accomplishments. On Monday, July 16, the House Judiciary Committee announced it was postponing a hearing scheduled for Tuesday, July 17 "because the Department refused to make Voting Section chief John Tanner available to testify," its press release said.
However, Hans A. Von Spakovsky, a former assistant attorney general who served four years as a top Civil Rights Division lawyer overseeing the Voting Rights Section discussed accusations of changing "the enforcement direction of the department" in a June 29, 2007, letter to the Senate Rules Committee. He became a federal elections commissioner in December 2005, and his appointment is under review.
Von Spakovsky's 18-page letter is a detailed defense of some of the department's most controversial recent rulings, such as approving a Texas congressional redistricting plan and a Georgia voter I.D. law that later was blocked in court as a violation of the Constitutional amendment barring poll taxes. Nowhere in the often-technical letter is any mention in section 7 of the National Voter Registration Act (NVRA), which is intended to help poor people vote by requiring state welfare agencies to offer the chance to register.
Instead, Von Spakovsky defended an aggressive stance with enforcing the NVRA's voter purge provisions, which fall under section 8 of the law. "The division could not willfully ignore the list maintenance requirements of the NVRA," he wrote. "It is the responsibility of DOJ to enforce these laws."
While the national media has followed the department's firing of U.S. attorneys who, in some cases, did not pursue voter fraud cases -- another priority of longtime GOP lawyer-activists like Von Spakovsky -- the department's oversight of the nation's voter rolls has mostly gone unnoticed. The potential impact on the 2008 election could be enormous, however, especially if millions of disenfranchised people registered and voted.
A just-released federal voter registration report reveals the stakes. In late June, the Election Assistance Commission issued a biennial voter registration report to Congress for 2005 and 2006. The report found that 16.6 million new registration applications were received by state motor vehicles agencies while only 527,752 applications came from state public assistance offices -- a 50 percent drop from 2003-2004. The report also found 13.0 million voters were purged nationwide and 9.9 million were put on "inactive" status, meaning these people have to provide identification before receiving a 2008 ballot.
The potential number of public assistance recipients who could register runs into the millions. According to the Health Resources and Services Administration's FY 2008 budget, federally subsidized "health centers" will serve an estimated 16.3 million patients, a population where "91 percent are at or below 200 percent of the federal poverty level, 64 percent are from racial/ethnic minority groups and 40 percent are uninsured." This is the same population who typically seek a variety of federally subsidized public assistance, from food stamps to fuel assistance to welfare.
Another indication of how many poor people could register is Tennessee, whose elections are federally supervised. From 2005-2006, Tennessee registered 120,992 people at public assistance offices -- nearly a quarter of the national total, the EAC reported. Tennessee registered more voters than the combined totals of welfare office registrations from California, Colorado, Florida, Illinois, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Texas, Virginia and Washington.
Karen Lynn Dyson, EAC Research director, said there were several reasons why many states have not made voter registration more available through public assistance agencies. First, the NVRA was passed in 1993, and many state and county election officials have been paying more attention to newer federal election mandates and transitioning to new voting machines. Moreover, many state welfare agencies don't see voter registration in their job descriptions -- despite the federal law. The same factors were also cited by Project Vote's Michael Slater, who emphasized that low-income people tend to move more often than better-off Americans.
"Our organization exists to correct the problem that voting is skewed toward upper-income folks," he said. "We are trying to make voting more representative of the population."
Justice Department spokesperson Cynthia Magnuson cited two department enforcement actions concerning increased voter registration; suing New York in 2004 because its state universities did not "offer voter registration opportunities at those offices serving students with disabilities," and the department's 2002 suit against Tennessee, which led to federal oversight of its elections. The New York suit is still pending.
Scott Novakowski, a senior policy analyst at Demos, a centrist public policy group based in New York that has followed this issue for several years, said it was ironic the Justice Department cited Tennessee because that state's welfare office registrations reveal how many potential voters could be involved if the department enforced the law.
"This is not a lot of numbers until you see Tennessee," he said. "We have looked at how many people can feasibly get on the rolls and it is enormous. Tennessee is under a court order and is doing it right. If you look at the number of people who go through public assistance offices, in some states it is in the millions."
The public interest groups that have tracked this issue -- Demos, Project Vote, ACORN and the Lawyers Committee for Civil Rights Under Law -- have issued reports citing a steady downward trend in these voter registrations and met with Justice Department officials in 2005 to present their findings and concerns.
"In January 2005, we had a 10-year report, which documented the 59 percent decline from 1995 through 2004," Novakowski said, adding follow-up letters cited violations from Arizona, Connecticut, Florida, Massachusetts, Missouri, Montana, New Jersey, Pennsylvania and Tennessee. "John Conyers (now the House Judiciary Committee chairman) and 29 other representatives asked Attorney General Alberto Gonzales to look into this, and there was no response."
This spring, after learning of Voting Section letters to North Carolina and Kentucky pressuring those states to more aggressively purge their voter lists, the same coalition called on the House and Senate Judiciary committees to investigate the "selective enforcement" of voter registration laws.
"We are concerned that the Justice Department's Voting Section is ignoring the primary purpose of NVRA to "establish procedures that will increase the number if eligible citizens who register to vote in elections for federal office."" it wrote in a May 8, 2007, letter. "Instead, the Voting Section is concentrating its NVRA enforcement priority on pressuring states to conduct massive purges of their voter rolls."
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Posted by: sapatatanka on Jul 17, 2007 1:13 AM
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I can't speak for other European countries, but this well-established procedure at least ensures you can vote - and the only way for the state to rescind your voting right is through the courts - always in connection to criminal trial.
Naturally, the requirement to always carry our ID card and to always be registered at your place of residence (there are relatively stiff fines for non-compliance) is a repressive measure - but that is a different discussion.
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» Any receiving a net gain from the government should NOT be allowed to vote. Full stop.
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Posted by: White middleclass male on Jul 17, 2007 2:33 AM
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It seems the poor are too stupid to even register to vote. Good. I’ll make sure to vote republican to cut their public assistance programs further. Do zebras give the feeble members of their herd a head start to avoid the lions? Why should I care about people that are too pathetic to do anything for themselves? Natural selection applies to people too.
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Posted by: richholland on Jul 17, 2007 3:21 AM
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But automatically the government sends you an invitation to vote on your registrated adress.
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Posted by: shangrilalad on Jul 17, 2007 4:01 AM
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In their heart of hearts, all republicans want to be Rulers. From the richest republican right down to the poorest, they all lust for power over their fellow man. For rich and middleclass republicans it’s a matter of class domination, for the "poor white trash" at the bottom, it’s race domination. They yearn for a world where Every Man is King, with the power to dominate and abuse everyone on a lower rung of the ladder.
Republicans will destroy America to achieve their cherished dream. It’s their nature.
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Jul 17, 2007 4:14 AM
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Has anyone out there compiled a list of impeachable offences that this disgusting, nightmare of an administration can be charged with? I imagine that it would go on for pages and pages. Is there anyone out there so out of touch that still insists on believeing that sending this corrupt, half-witted little frat boy to the oval office - to the White House - was a good idea? Please make yourselves known.
Who among us is still so drugged up on Stupid Pills that they don't believe that there is not enough evidence to send this hideous little thug and Dick Cheney to federal prison for the rest of their lives?
This is a man who at one time called Jesus Christ his favorite "philosopher" (the fact that he was unable to distinguish pilosophy from theology seems not to have dawned on anyone but me at the time - seriously) The fact that he would try to disenfranchise the poorest among us his revealing. Did he ever even read the Sermon on the Mount?
"Blessed are the meek."
No question about it: under this administration, the meek have been getting the shaft.
Pray for peace.
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"The Rant" by Tom Degan
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Posted by: kbest on Jul 17, 2007 4:49 AM
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If someone is to poor to get this photo I.D. then one will be provided free. Even the elderly support this because they know their vote will not be compromised by vote fraud. This is what Republicans want in the United States. But Democrats fight this because then they can't cheat, like bringing in busloads of people to the polls with only a name and address even though it is not theirs.
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Posted by: phindrup on Jul 17, 2007 5:51 AM
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Perhaps you ought look at the Australian system where the electoral commission is a totally independent body. It maintains the electoral roll and organises everything to do with the running of the election.
Enrolment is compulsory. As is voting — with which I do not agree — and if you don’t vote you get a ‘please explain’ letter and a fine if you do not have a good reason for not having voted.
The absolute certainty is that neither the government, state or federal, nor the justice department outh to have anything to do with organising elections.
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Posted by: pieman on Jul 17, 2007 6:15 AM
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THIS IS A PRELUDE TO A SUPER-POLICE STATE ALA PINOCHET'S CHILE
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Posted by: InsertNameHere on Jul 17, 2007 7:21 AM
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They are the kind of people who don't talk to people, they talk at people...usually yelling incessantly.
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Posted by: brotherjonah on Jul 17, 2007 7:33 AM
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Little known fact here, poor people aren't all or even mostly in the ranks of poverty because of ignorance, stupidity, insanity or substance abuse. Not even the ranks of the homeless have a majority whose homelessness is caused by these problems.
If it were that simple it would have been fixed long ago. In Colorado, the law is you must not have changed your address less than 30 days before the election, which knocks migrant workers off the rolls, homeless people of course, anybody who changed residences, usually due to poverty.
There was a provision when our nation was young that only people who owned property could vote. Tenants were automatically excluded.
These "continuity of residency" loopholes are, purely and simply, to the vast benefit of the very rich. Since the majority of Americans aren't actually homeowners,, the homeowners and slumlords would have to have some sort of enhancement of their political clout, to make their votes count for more than the majority.
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Posted by: JSquercia on Jul 17, 2007 8:01 AM
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It has not been used in something like 80 years but it still exists , at least for now .
Sadly I have almost as little faith in the Supreme Court as I do in the Justice Department . They just recently overturned a ruling about Price fixing Agreements that had stood since 1911 . Prior to this such agreeemnt were automatically considered anti trust violations now they are to be decided on a case by case basis . Of course it will up to some poor retailer or Consumer to fight a Corporation
like GE in court . If it is a consumer the court will likely rule that they have no standing to sue since they can't prove THEY were harmed . They used this to deny people suing over the warrantless wiretaps their right .to sue . It placed them in the Catch-22 of trying to prove they were on the list which the government will not provide due to " National Security "
National Security and Executive Priviledge are the way the Bush Executive branch hides its actions from Oversight , Now they are even claiming Executive Priviledge over the inquiry about the misinformation about the death of Pat Tillman even though Bush says he was NOT involved .
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Posted by: stormchilde1975 on Jul 17, 2007 9:02 AM
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In any case, have any of you bigots managed to consider WHY it is that such a large proportion of our population lacks the skills and knowledge to participate in democracy? You're absolutely right that the bar is set pretty low: so why aren't our public schools systems able to get them up there? Jefferson said that education was vital to democracy, and it seems clear that he would not be pleased with our failures in that regard.
Doubtless, the bigots will be eager to blame poor kids for being lazy and unambitious, and say that they don't "deserve" a quality education. But education is the responsibilty of professional educators, not minor children. If people with power and wisdom continue to place responsibility for the nation's failures on the victims of those failures, their neglect of duty is bound to bear ugly fruit.
Responsibility comes in proportion to power: the powerful, not the powerless, are responsible for the current state of affairs, and they have a duty to either responsibly employ or else relinquish their authority.
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Posted by: TJ-stars4peace on Jul 17, 2007 10:44 AM
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We are at a Constitutional crisis and a plot to overthrow our very system of government is underway..!
There are still some good people at the Justice dept. and many others have resigned as it is now just an appendage of the Unitary Executive..!
Look close at any issue and the stench of the Federalist Society will cause your eyes to water and throat to close up..!
Scalia and Alito and Thomas, Roberts even maybe sadly Kennedy are committed to altering America forever..for the worse..and establishing the supremacy of the Unitary Dictator..!
Why would you think these Tory swine would want to poor to vote..?
The shameless Republican Taliban is just a rubber stamp for this huge C change in our system of governance this treason..
It's pervading our system every agency from Katrina and the war on the workers to the children of the poorest Americans and health care..to al-FDA killing thousands of Americans every year and allowing China to poison our food and selling drug companies to sell bad drugs that kill us..
America is at war we are under attack and the biggest threat is from within..!
Perhaps Chertoff's "gut feeling" was from poisoned Chinese seafood and not al-Qaeda but al-FDA..and Zawacheney..!
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Jul 17, 2007 11:02 AM
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The guy stole the election, with the aid of the Supreme Court in what will probably go down as the worst Supreme Court decision since the Dred Scott decision - you know, the one that helped start the Civil War?
It'd be incredibly easy to set up a solid voter registration system that counted everyone and did a good job of it. Just get the IRS to run the voting system - they don't seem to have a problem with accidentally erasing people from their lists.
There has been a move for years to get states to register voters when they get their drivers licences, but Republicans always go overboard to stop this from happening. Why? They know that poor people are smart enough not to vote Republican, is why.
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Posted by: US Citizen on Jul 17, 2007 11:04 AM
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Do you hear me John Edwards ? Hilary ? Obama ?
Here is a very good way one of the lesser candidates could become famous.
Organize the biggest "Get Out the Vote" rally ever.
It needs to be done with this corrupt President and Attorney General ! Wouldn't that be refreshing to have a massive "Get out the Vote" rally. It would be a way to make nearly everyone to feel good about Democrats before the election, and it would show the nation how sick George W., Cheney, and Gonzales really are.
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Posted by: brotherjonah on Jul 17, 2007 11:10 AM
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But, hey, only the criminals fear the police, Right? or simply "right wing"?
It's amazing how many of these right wing thugs CLAIM to be Fundamentalist Christians and simultaneously set up the mechanisms for a One World Government, One World Religion, One World Order.
Schicklegroeber Bush's own daddy used to babble about the New World Order (that would be King George The Not Quite As Stupid.)
Me calling him Herr Schicklegroeber is a direct insult, he's got Nazi support even if he claims not to be one, or even if he personally isn't actually a Nazi, but only attempting to use them the same way he uses Fundamentalist Christianity.
The Nazis know what it means.. Their Fuhrer was born out of wedlock, and his "father" was merely a guess. And his father's name.
I know plenty of people born out of wedlock, it's a shame they have to share the name bastard with that punk. Or with GW even though there's no proof that King George The Not So Thick was not actually his daddy.
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Posted by: anothername on Jul 18, 2007 1:00 PM
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The Help America Vote Act (HAVA) allows grants to be given for colleges and universities to promote voting among students. There is no equivalent funding allowed for people who do not continue education past high school. This also discriminates against low-income families.
There are many questions that come to mind reading this article. Are women seeking public assistance more than men and is this a matter of gender bias as well as or instead of economics? Do people registering for public assistance not want to have their names associated as having been registered when they sought (hopefully temporary) public assistance, whether that would be the case or not? Are public assistance applicants homeless or in shelters and not in a position that they are thinking about voting, considering it somewhat less important than getting away from the rapes, hail storms, or blistering heat to which they might be exposed because of their lack of money?
Are people registering cars more likely to think about voting because they can see political decisions giving them more roads and rules about driving, where people on public assistance don't see how their vote will make any difference since it all depends on who runs the public housing unit in which they live?
As with everything else I've seen come from the Election Assistance Commission, created by HAVA, the numbers cited in this article do not really give me confidence that the federal government has a clue about what really needs to be done to draw Americans to the voting booth.
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Posted by: Reader11722 on Jul 19, 2007 10:29 AM
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They violate the 1st Amendment by opening mail, caging demonstrators and banning books like "America Deceived" from Amazon.
They violate the 2nd Amendment by confiscating guns during Katrina.
They violate the 4th Amendment by conducting warrant-less wiretaps.
They violate the 5th and 6th Amendment by suspending habeas corpus.
They violate the 8th Amendment by torturing.
They violate the entire Constitution by starting 2 illegal wars based on lies and on behalf of a foriegn gov't.
Support Dr. Ron Paul and end this madness.
Last link (unless Stark County District Library caves to the gov't and drops the title):
America Deceived (book)
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» Attempts to kick peope off the rolls is undemocratic. If is fascist!!
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Posted by: ZPaul on Jul 17, 2007 12:13 AM
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Posted by: sapatatanka on Jul 17, 2007 1:13 AM
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I can't speak for other European countries, but this well-established procedure at least ensures you can vote - and the only way for the state to rescind your voting right is through the courts - always in connection to criminal trial.
Naturally, the requirement to always carry our ID card and to always be registered at your place of residence (there are relatively stiff fines for non-compliance) is a repressive measure - but that is a different discussion.
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Posted by: gellero on Jul 17, 2007 1:41 AM
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» Any receiving a net gain from the government should NOT be allowed to vote. Full stop.
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Posted by: White middleclass male on Jul 17, 2007 2:33 AM
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It seems the poor are too stupid to even register to vote. Good. I’ll make sure to vote republican to cut their public assistance programs further. Do zebras give the feeble members of their herd a head start to avoid the lions? Why should I care about people that are too pathetic to do anything for themselves? Natural selection applies to people too.
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Posted by: richholland on Jul 17, 2007 3:21 AM
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But automatically the government sends you an invitation to vote on your registrated adress.
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Posted by: shangrilalad on Jul 17, 2007 4:01 AM
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In their heart of hearts, all republicans want to be Rulers. From the richest republican right down to the poorest, they all lust for power over their fellow man. For rich and middleclass republicans it’s a matter of class domination, for the "poor white trash" at the bottom, it’s race domination. They yearn for a world where Every Man is King, with the power to dominate and abuse everyone on a lower rung of the ladder.
Republicans will destroy America to achieve their cherished dream. It’s their nature.
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Jul 17, 2007 4:14 AM
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Has anyone out there compiled a list of impeachable offences that this disgusting, nightmare of an administration can be charged with? I imagine that it would go on for pages and pages. Is there anyone out there so out of touch that still insists on believeing that sending this corrupt, half-witted little frat boy to the oval office - to the White House - was a good idea? Please make yourselves known.
Who among us is still so drugged up on Stupid Pills that they don't believe that there is not enough evidence to send this hideous little thug and Dick Cheney to federal prison for the rest of their lives?
This is a man who at one time called Jesus Christ his favorite "philosopher" (the fact that he was unable to distinguish pilosophy from theology seems not to have dawned on anyone but me at the time - seriously) The fact that he would try to disenfranchise the poorest among us his revealing. Did he ever even read the Sermon on the Mount?
"Blessed are the meek."
No question about it: under this administration, the meek have been getting the shaft.
Pray for peace.
Tom Degan
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Posted by: kbest on Jul 17, 2007 4:49 AM
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If someone is to poor to get this photo I.D. then one will be provided free. Even the elderly support this because they know their vote will not be compromised by vote fraud. This is what Republicans want in the United States. But Democrats fight this because then they can't cheat, like bringing in busloads of people to the polls with only a name and address even though it is not theirs.
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Posted by: phindrup on Jul 17, 2007 5:51 AM
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Perhaps you ought look at the Australian system where the electoral commission is a totally independent body. It maintains the electoral roll and organises everything to do with the running of the election.
Enrolment is compulsory. As is voting — with which I do not agree — and if you don’t vote you get a ‘please explain’ letter and a fine if you do not have a good reason for not having voted.
The absolute certainty is that neither the government, state or federal, nor the justice department outh to have anything to do with organising elections.
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Posted by: pieman on Jul 17, 2007 6:15 AM
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THIS IS A PRELUDE TO A SUPER-POLICE STATE ALA PINOCHET'S CHILE
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Posted by: InsertNameHere on Jul 17, 2007 7:21 AM
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They are the kind of people who don't talk to people, they talk at people...usually yelling incessantly.
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Posted by: brotherjonah on Jul 17, 2007 7:33 AM
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Little known fact here, poor people aren't all or even mostly in the ranks of poverty because of ignorance, stupidity, insanity or substance abuse. Not even the ranks of the homeless have a majority whose homelessness is caused by these problems.
If it were that simple it would have been fixed long ago. In Colorado, the law is you must not have changed your address less than 30 days before the election, which knocks migrant workers off the rolls, homeless people of course, anybody who changed residences, usually due to poverty.
There was a provision when our nation was young that only people who owned property could vote. Tenants were automatically excluded.
These "continuity of residency" loopholes are, purely and simply, to the vast benefit of the very rich. Since the majority of Americans aren't actually homeowners,, the homeowners and slumlords would have to have some sort of enhancement of their political clout, to make their votes count for more than the majority.
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Posted by: JSquercia on Jul 17, 2007 8:01 AM
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It has not been used in something like 80 years but it still exists , at least for now .
Sadly I have almost as little faith in the Supreme Court as I do in the Justice Department . They just recently overturned a ruling about Price fixing Agreements that had stood since 1911 . Prior to this such agreeemnt were automatically considered anti trust violations now they are to be decided on a case by case basis . Of course it will up to some poor retailer or Consumer to fight a Corporation
like GE in court . If it is a consumer the court will likely rule that they have no standing to sue since they can't prove THEY were harmed . They used this to deny people suing over the warrantless wiretaps their right .to sue . It placed them in the Catch-22 of trying to prove they were on the list which the government will not provide due to " National Security "
National Security and Executive Priviledge are the way the Bush Executive branch hides its actions from Oversight , Now they are even claiming Executive Priviledge over the inquiry about the misinformation about the death of Pat Tillman even though Bush says he was NOT involved .
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Posted by: willymack on Jul 17, 2007 8:46 AM
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Posted by: stormchilde1975 on Jul 17, 2007 9:02 AM
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In any case, have any of you bigots managed to consider WHY it is that such a large proportion of our population lacks the skills and knowledge to participate in democracy? You're absolutely right that the bar is set pretty low: so why aren't our public schools systems able to get them up there? Jefferson said that education was vital to democracy, and it seems clear that he would not be pleased with our failures in that regard.
Doubtless, the bigots will be eager to blame poor kids for being lazy and unambitious, and say that they don't "deserve" a quality education. But education is the responsibilty of professional educators, not minor children. If people with power and wisdom continue to place responsibility for the nation's failures on the victims of those failures, their neglect of duty is bound to bear ugly fruit.
Responsibility comes in proportion to power: the powerful, not the powerless, are responsible for the current state of affairs, and they have a duty to either responsibly employ or else relinquish their authority.
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Posted by: danmaeso on Jul 17, 2007 10:05 AM
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Posted by: TJ-stars4peace on Jul 17, 2007 10:44 AM
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We are at a Constitutional crisis and a plot to overthrow our very system of government is underway..!
There are still some good people at the Justice dept. and many others have resigned as it is now just an appendage of the Unitary Executive..!
Look close at any issue and the stench of the Federalist Society will cause your eyes to water and throat to close up..!
Scalia and Alito and Thomas, Roberts even maybe sadly Kennedy are committed to altering America forever..for the worse..and establishing the supremacy of the Unitary Dictator..!
Why would you think these Tory swine would want to poor to vote..?
The shameless Republican Taliban is just a rubber stamp for this huge C change in our system of governance this treason..
It's pervading our system every agency from Katrina and the war on the workers to the children of the poorest Americans and health care..to al-FDA killing thousands of Americans every year and allowing China to poison our food and selling drug companies to sell bad drugs that kill us..
America is at war we are under attack and the biggest threat is from within..!
Perhaps Chertoff's "gut feeling" was from poisoned Chinese seafood and not al-Qaeda but al-FDA..and Zawacheney..!
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Posted by: veggiegrrrl on Jul 17, 2007 10:49 AM
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Jul 17, 2007 11:02 AM
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The guy stole the election, with the aid of the Supreme Court in what will probably go down as the worst Supreme Court decision since the Dred Scott decision - you know, the one that helped start the Civil War?
It'd be incredibly easy to set up a solid voter registration system that counted everyone and did a good job of it. Just get the IRS to run the voting system - they don't seem to have a problem with accidentally erasing people from their lists.
There has been a move for years to get states to register voters when they get their drivers licences, but Republicans always go overboard to stop this from happening. Why? They know that poor people are smart enough not to vote Republican, is why.
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Posted by: US Citizen on Jul 17, 2007 11:04 AM
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Do you hear me John Edwards ? Hilary ? Obama ?
Here is a very good way one of the lesser candidates could become famous.
Organize the biggest "Get Out the Vote" rally ever.
It needs to be done with this corrupt President and Attorney General ! Wouldn't that be refreshing to have a massive "Get out the Vote" rally. It would be a way to make nearly everyone to feel good about Democrats before the election, and it would show the nation how sick George W., Cheney, and Gonzales really are.
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Posted by: brotherjonah on Jul 17, 2007 11:10 AM
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But, hey, only the criminals fear the police, Right? or simply "right wing"?
It's amazing how many of these right wing thugs CLAIM to be Fundamentalist Christians and simultaneously set up the mechanisms for a One World Government, One World Religion, One World Order.
Schicklegroeber Bush's own daddy used to babble about the New World Order (that would be King George The Not Quite As Stupid.)
Me calling him Herr Schicklegroeber is a direct insult, he's got Nazi support even if he claims not to be one, or even if he personally isn't actually a Nazi, but only attempting to use them the same way he uses Fundamentalist Christianity.
The Nazis know what it means.. Their Fuhrer was born out of wedlock, and his "father" was merely a guess. And his father's name.
I know plenty of people born out of wedlock, it's a shame they have to share the name bastard with that punk. Or with GW even though there's no proof that King George The Not So Thick was not actually his daddy.
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Posted by: anothername on Jul 18, 2007 1:00 PM
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The Help America Vote Act (HAVA) allows grants to be given for colleges and universities to promote voting among students. There is no equivalent funding allowed for people who do not continue education past high school. This also discriminates against low-income families.
There are many questions that come to mind reading this article. Are women seeking public assistance more than men and is this a matter of gender bias as well as or instead of economics? Do people registering for public assistance not want to have their names associated as having been registered when they sought (hopefully temporary) public assistance, whether that would be the case or not? Are public assistance applicants homeless or in shelters and not in a position that they are thinking about voting, considering it somewhat less important than getting away from the rapes, hail storms, or blistering heat to which they might be exposed because of their lack of money?
Are people registering cars more likely to think about voting because they can see political decisions giving them more roads and rules about driving, where people on public assistance don't see how their vote will make any difference since it all depends on who runs the public housing unit in which they live?
As with everything else I've seen come from the Election Assistance Commission, created by HAVA, the numbers cited in this article do not really give me confidence that the federal government has a clue about what really needs to be done to draw Americans to the voting booth.
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Posted by: macdon1 on Jul 18, 2007 10:26 PM
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Posted by: Reader11722 on Jul 19, 2007 10:29 AM
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They violate the 1st Amendment by opening mail, caging demonstrators and banning books like "America Deceived" from Amazon.
They violate the 2nd Amendment by confiscating guns during Katrina.
They violate the 4th Amendment by conducting warrant-less wiretaps.
They violate the 5th and 6th Amendment by suspending habeas corpus.
They violate the 8th Amendment by torturing.
They violate the entire Constitution by starting 2 illegal wars based on lies and on behalf of a foriegn gov't.
Support Dr. Ron Paul and end this madness.
Last link (unless Stark County District Library caves to the gov't and drops the title):
America Deceived (book)
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