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Forget the TV Debates, MoveOn's Dem Primary Has All the Action

By Ari Melber, The Nation. Posted July 18, 2007.


MoveOn.org's issue-driven primary may not end up naming a winner, but it's shaping up to be more substantive, thoughtful and participatory than the actual presidential primary.

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Long before votes are cast in modern presidential elections, elite donors narrow the race by picking a few acceptable candidates, who are then crowned frontrunners for leading the "money primary." But wait -- wasn't the Internet supposed to change all this? Now thousands of people can pool relatively small donations to boost a candidate into the first tier, while bloggers promote their favorites to audiences rivaling those of major newspapers. Yet a funny thing happened on the way to the revolution. Internet fundraising has made the competition for early money not only fiercer but even more influential in handicapping the race, because donations are revered as proof of electability and grassroots enthusiasm.

When Barack Obama raised a whopping $25 million in the first quarter, for example, MSNBC headlined the news as confirmation of his "grassroots power." After Obama pulled in an unprecedented $32.5 million in the second quarter, he said the money proved his team had "built the largest grassroots campaign in history." Never mind that most voters and activists never donate to presidential candidates, and that grassroots campaigns are supposed to emphasize issues important to local activists, not national fundraising. Now if candidates fail to raise big money quickly, they are disregarded before the public ever hears about their positions.

But one powerful group is challenging this system with an alternative to the money primary. MoveOn.org, the organization that pioneered low-dollar Internet fundraising and showered Democrats with more midterm campaign donations than almost any other liberal PAC, is advocating a primary campaign that is downright old-fashioned. A primary based on the issues.

"We have this presidential campaign process that's starting earlier than ever before and in some ways is less about the issues than ever before. It's all horse race all the time," explains Eli Pariser, MoveOn's executive director. Instead of fixating on fundraising or electability, the organization is convening three "virtual" town halls for candidates to address the group's 3.3 million members via YouTube and podcasts. Each event is devoted to a single topic. Candidates field questions directly from MoveOn members, providing "real depth on the issues they care about," Pariser says.

After each gathering, MoveOn members appraise the candidates on the issue at hand. After the Iraq town hall the question was not whom people might vote for on election day -- the horse race query that drives most polls and campaign coverage -- but simply "which candidate do you believe would be best able to lead the country out of Iraq?" Obama and John Edwards led with 28 and 25 percent, followed by 17 percent for Dennis Kucinich.

In July the second town hall tackled global warming, with 1,300 gatherings around the country coinciding with Al Gore's Live Earth concerts. More than 100,000 people participated, making it the largest MoveOn event since 2004. One-third of participants favored Edwards's approach to the "climate crisis," while Kucinich, Clinton and Obama each drew 15 percent. The final town hall, in October, is on healthcare, coordinated with Michael Moore's documentary Sicko, and then MoveOn will help its members put some muscle behind their policy preferences.

Pariser says that in October, the group will run a virtual primary for MoveOn's endorsement -- the closest any Democrat can get to becoming the official netroots candidate. Campaign operatives agree that the endorsement could transform the race, cementing a prominent candidate like Edwards, catapulting a liberal underdog like Chris Dodd or igniting and funding a late entry by Al Gore. Unlike the famous out-of-state activists who flocked to help Howard Dean in Iowa, MoveOn's membership, which has almost doubled since 2004, wields the power of voting at home. Take the first two states on the primary calendar: MoveOn boasts 25,000 members in Iowa -- about 20 percent of caucus turnout -- and 17,000 members in Nevada, where only 9,000 people voted in the 2004 caucus.

Yet the last time MoveOn went down this road, when Dean's antiwar, anti-establishment campaign united the nascent netroots more than anyone has since, the group never issued an endorsement.

Four years ago this month, MoveOn held its first virtual primary, heralded at the time as a breakthrough for participatory politics. Dean dominated with 44 percent, but he did not break the group's 50 percent threshold for an endorsement, and no runoff was held.

Zack Exley, an organizer who worked on MoveOn's first primary, said the goal was not to endorse one candidate but to challenge the focus on high-dollar fundraising with an alternative indicator of viability. "The money primary, driven by big donors, was the most important first test for candidates," he explained recently, so MoveOn designed its 2003 primary to show that grassroots support could trump monetary support.

John Stauber, an activist and author who has criticized MoveOn for getting too cozy with Democratic leaders, predicts the group will never endorse a presidential candidate, instead opting to avoid any action that could undermine Democratic unity or the party's chances in 2008. Stauber argues that the primary and town halls are basically a brilliant "political marketing" operation to harvest e-mail and raise money, while MoveOn will continue to be "primarily oriented to bashing the Republicans, whipping up support for Democrats and getting online petitions and funding appeals going to keep the netroots alive and the money flowing to Democratic candidates."

Pariser says he hopes MoveOn will endorse a presidential candidate, since this cycle there are "much broader" opportunities for its members to have an impact on the race. But an endorsement is possible only if a strong consensus emerges. He is admirably frank about the limits of decentralized power. "We don't have a lot of resources that aren't our members," Pariser explains, and if they endorsed despite a split in membership, "we'd end up pissing off 49 percent of our list."

None of the candidates in the race look poised to rally such overwhelming support, judging by the town halls and blog straw polls. If MoveOn's process does not culminate in an endorsement, it is unlikely to challenge the influence of the elite-driven money race. Still, the MoveOn primary is shaping up to be more substantive, thoughtful and participatory than the actual presidential primary -- even if it's a contest without a winner.

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Obama led on anti war position?? Public has no clue
Posted by: Perfectclue on Jul 18, 2007 4:09 AM   
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This is exactly why I get fed up with the public and especially the way the corporate media manipulate people, their ethnic loyaltie over principole and their own corruption and self deception.

How many articles have we seen and read which refer to these hacks, Obama, Hillary, and other corporate democrats who are at best equal opportunity class mercenaries, like Colin Powell, Condaleeza Rice, Alberto Gonzalez, or the worst Hillary Clinton. We know that Obama and Hillary routinely grovel at the feet of AIPAC, the Israeli lobby which calls for the nuclear attack against Iran, and which all democrats voted for, giving Bush and Nancy Pelosi, advance permission to attack Iran, should Bush, fascists, zionists, and these liberal war hawks, appeasing zionist, fascist class mercenaries, decide to do so.

It is as Gravels said of them, Obama too, "These people frighten me", and none of these corporate democrats, and now even Feingold has the prinicple to stand for immediate impeachment, to head of nuclear attack and dictatorship around the corner. Kuchinich has introduced impeachment resolutions, and most of the whoring corporate democratic hacks will not do their constitutional duty to impeach and defend the constitution from their complicty in this fascism.

The public is so enamored with self deception, where race, minority candidates get thumbs up, even knowing that Obama is a liberal war hawk and supporter of Israeli fascist policies. Ditto for Hillary and bourgeois middle class feminists are so enamored with the fact that she is a woman, knowing she is a liberal war hawk, they, the public will put these equal opportunity class thugs into power over Kucinich, Gravels, Green Party, Nader, socialists, because they put personality, self decpetion over real change and survival of this country.

I would like to hear from these Obama Hacks, Hillary Hacks, democratci corporate hacks, and have them tell us with a straight face that these corporate whores have a real anti war position, and represent the people, and why they do not support impeachment, to uphold the constitution against not only Bush's, Republican high crimes and misdemeaners, but also the democrats who are party to this corruption and deception over the public.

I am sick of this ideological corruption, and class opportunism, by so many people who claim to be opposed to the war, yet keep supporting these class whores for all kinds of stupid reasons. We need diversity, yes, but we do not need another Colin Powell, Rice, Alberto, we need real change if you value your life and democracy, neither of which you will have if Bush's policies are carried out by the Hillary, Obama in their nazi support of Israel call for nuclear aggression against Iran. We will have dictatorship under the democrats as well, as they see the interests of thes class thugs over antiwar sentiment. People get a grip on reality.

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don't tell Cheney
Posted by: skydog on Jul 18, 2007 6:40 AM   
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Hope Cheney doesn't see this -- he'll be telling Bush to bomb Pakistan too.

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Instead of critcism, AlterNeters, offer solutions.
Posted by: HughScott on Jul 18, 2007 6:49 AM   
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I supect when this thread is closed, most of the comments will lack solutions to our number one national problem -- ending Bush's unjustified war of choice. So I’m getting the ball rolling with three simple actions you can take instead of simply wringing your hands over the Internet.

1. Join MoveOn.org like I did in 2003 and take part in its activities.

2. Write letters to your local newspaper about the corrupt Bush administrarion.

3. Send copies of the letters to your senators and House representative.

The actions aren’t much in the grand scheme of things but they’re a start.

Now it’s your turn. Tell me what else I can do to help save GI lives in Iraq.

Hugh E. Scott, Vietnam veteran, lifelong registered Republican, John Kerry supporter in 2004 and editor of the nonprofit investigative website, King-George.biz, which features 50 cartoons, photos and other Bushwhacking illustrations plus the only hardcopy proof of White House corruption ever found on the Internet.

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Where does MoveOn get their money?
Posted by: kbest on Jul 18, 2007 7:16 AM   
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From George Soros, that's where.

And as long as Soro's has an agenda that is totally different from mainstream America, he'll never get what he wants.

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There are a lot of us who do not have broadband connections
Posted by: janten on Jul 18, 2007 9:02 AM   
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"convening three 'virtual' town halls for candidates to address the group's 3.3 million members via YouTube and podcasts."

According to results of the Pew Internet & American Life Project broadband adoption survey, 47% of adult Americans have a home broadband connection as of early 2007. Among adults who live in households whose annual incomes fall between $30,000 and $50,000 annually, home broadband adoption stood at 46%. For households with incomes below $30,000, 30% have broadband. Among senior citizens, the figure was at 15% and, among people between the ages of 50 and 64, 40% have home high-speed connections. Only 31% of rural households have broadband.

Looking at the flip side of the data, there are a lot of us who do not have broadband connections, mostly because it is not yet available or because it is not affordable

I don't know what the percentage of broadband use is among the 3.3 million MoveOn members, but I expect a lot of us don't have it. And my experience is that having a slow dial up connection makes watching YouTube or other online video either impractical or impossible.

It's great that MoveOn is convening these virtual town hall forums which open up new possibilities in our political process, but it's important to be aware that many of us are still limited in our ability to participate, and that the population that has a voice in this is different from the population that is left out.

Oh, and there are a lot of us who don't have iPods either, so Podcasts are out. Just thought I'd mention all of this because it's an important part of the whole perspective.

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DON'T FORGET THAT RON PAUL HAS BEEN AS MUCH AGAINST...
Posted by: poppop_schell on Jul 18, 2007 1:46 PM   
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THE IRAQI WAR FROM THE VERY BEGINNING AS CONGESSMAN KUCINICH. HE HAS NEVER VOTED FOR ANY FUNDING OF THIS WAR.

Food for thought? Wouldn't it be great if both the DP and GOP candidate were strongly anti-Iraq so no matter who wins, we'll get our tropps home and redeployed to really fight terrorism? The only way to fullfill this DREAM choice is if Ron Paul is the GOP nominee. It is then a win-win choice for America.

IF you wish to help Ron Paul right now, there is a major way to do so. On August 11th, the Iowa GOP will be holding a strawvote in Ames, IO. Anyone with a valid IOwa drivers license can vote. You don't have to switch parties.

The Ron Paul Campaign is attempting to call at least 500,000 GOP and Independent Iowa registered voters. You can help at by contacting calliowa@ronpaul2008.com

MAKE US 100% SURE WE WILL GET US OUT OF IRAQ!!!

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13 comments and MoveOn has power?
Posted by: anothername on Jul 18, 2007 2:06 PM   
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I have been trying to determine if there is any relationship between reach and the number of posts certain items receive. This is a question I have on all open-comment web sites, not just Alternet. If there is a relationship, then this article that has just 13 comments when I am writing this certainly indicates considerably less interest in what MoveOn is trying to do than MoveOn cares to think.

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» FYI Posted by: Joshua Holland
Support Alternet's new comments policy in the article on MoveOn.
Posted by: doinaheckuvajob on Jul 18, 2007 2:52 PM   
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I am pleased that Alternet has developed a better comments policy. Reading the comments on the MoveOn article, I notice many violations of the policy.

Here is a reprinting of their policy that is stated when you write your draft of a comment, therefore these are will full violations.

AlterNet will not tolerate:

* personal attacks on our writers or readers
* excessive profanity
* racist, sexist or other discriminatory or hateful language
* comments that are off-topic or irrelevant to the story or discussion at hand

Readers who fail to follow these guidelines may have their comments deleted and their commenting privileges disabled with or without warning.

We ask readers to report comments that fall outside these guidelines using the "Report this comment" link.

We also ask our readers to refrain from responding to posts by people who only want to derail the conversation with conservative talking points. Please report these comments; do not respond.


Thank you, Alternet for this new policy.

Here I have seen Republican talking points, I have seen Republican candidates promoted in commenting about an article on the Democratic primary which is off topic.

There are so many violations of this policy that I see on a regular basis at Alternet that it would take me all day to report them myself, that is why I am publicizing the policy here again. Together we can help improve Alternet. Thank you, Alternet.

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Perfect example
Posted by: doinaheckuvajob on Jul 20, 2007 2:18 PM   
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of violation of Alternet's new comment policies.

Above I re-posted Alternet's new comment policies. The first comment reply posting I received was an off-topic diatribe about Zionist liberals, with no relation whatsoever to my post and comments nor the MoveOn topic. Amazing.

Perfect example. I can't waste my time reporting all of these, but again the policy states:

AlterNet will not tolerate:
* comments that are off-topic or irrelevant to the story or discussion at hand

Readers who fail to follow these guidelines may have their comments deleted and their commenting privileges disabled with or without warning.

We ask readers to report comments that fall outside these guidelines using the "Report this comment" link.


Again, while my post is off topic from the MoveOn discussion, it is intended to support that discussion and point out how regularly these are derailed.

I feel like I was spammed, honestly. Feel free to report and enforce Alternet's new policies.

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