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Twinkie, Deconstructed: Processing the American Diet

By Vanja Petrovic, AlterNet. Posted July 12, 2007.


A conversation with author Steve Ettlinger reveals the mines, mile-long factories and enormous industrial effort that goes into making a Twinkie -- an archetype of the processed foods found in so many Americans' diets.

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Have you ever gone to the supermarket, flipped over the package of a processed food and stared blankly at the ingredients? Have you ever wondered what whey protein, polysorbate 60 or high fructose corn syrup is?

Well, so did Steve Ettlinger, author of a new book called Twinkie, Deconstructed: My Journey to Discover How the Ingredients in Processed Foods are Grown, Mined (Yes, Mined), and Manipulated Into What America Eats. But he did nothing about it until his daughter asked him what polysorbate 60 was.

In his book, Ettlinger leads us through every step needed to manufacture a Twinkie. Ettlinger describes mines and mile-long factories and reveals the enormous industrial effort that goes into making a Twinkie, although the book can be generalized to include all processed foods.

Ettlinger has been an author, editor, and book producer since 1985. He has appeared on a number of television and radio shows, including The Today Show and Good Morning America. He has helped create over 40 books, and is currently working on a documentary about artificial ingredients.

Ettlinger spoke with AlterNet over the phone.

Vanja Petrovic: Why deconstruct the Twinkie? Why not another typical processed product like, for example, a Diet Coke?

Steve Ettlinger: When I first wanted to do this book, I knew I wanted to do something on processed food and processed food ingredients and food additives. ... When I realized that Twinkies had the right ingredient list length, I also realized I had a wonderful subject because everybody relates to Twinkies. And everybody associates Twinkies with the subject of my book: processed foods. It's sort of the archetype of processed food.

Petrovic: Does deconstructing the Twinkie deconstruct the American diet?

Ettlinger: I don't know about the American diet, but it deconstructs the typical processed food. The ingredients in the Twinkie are found in most common processed foods, not the same way obviously, because Twinkies are baked and sweet, but you find many of the same ingredients in everything -- literally -- from soup to nuts.

Petrovic: How is the Twinkie generated by the American way of life?

Ettlinger I'm dealing with the ingredients and not with the Twinkie as a social phenomenon. But, you know, I had to address that just because it's such an amazing phenomenon. ...

Our way of life creates a need for something that can be shipped by truck. And so you get a tomato with a tough skin and a firm texture, so it can be shipped. And that's because our way of life says we want to have tomatoes year-round. Our way of life might say we want something that can be wrapped in plastic and not lose flavor. Our way of life might say we want little servings of foods packaged separately; we don't want to have to cut something. So, you're led to see something like I just saw a couple of hours ago -- a bag of sliced apples. It strikes me as a complete waste of energy and time, but it's a convenience food.

Petrovic: So, do you think this is a negative -- sliced apples that have stuff put in them so they don't turn brown?

Ettlinger I do. I think it's a shame. But I also understand the desire for it. I'm part of a number of people who want to eat really great tasting apples of different varieties, and I have to pay for that privilege to eat a really fine apple from the farmers' market that's not a Golden Delicious. ...

Listen, I'm eating some food tonight that was flown in on an airplane from Europe -- some Dutch cheese -- and it's wrapped in plastic. It wouldn't be here if it weren't for a whole lot of effort, industrial effort, even though it's cheese and therefore not highly processed. ... So, I'm not looking down on anybody who creates a need for a complex process to bring themselves some gustatory pleasure, because I do that too. I'm drinking beer that was probably brewed in England, so that's a pretty big deal.

Petrovic: You mentioned eating cheese made in Europe and beer brewed in London. The carbon footprint on both of those products is huge. Does it matter whether you eat a Twinkie or drink European beer since the carbon footprint on both is large?

Ettlinger: It matters. I, for one, like to choose my carbon footprints carefully. First of all, I don't want it to be wasteful. Second of all, I can drink a lot of beer and be healthy; it has a lot of nutrients in it, a lot of B-12 and so forth. If you eat a lot of Twinkies, that's not the case.

Petrovic: In your book you detail to a great extent how each ingredient of a Twinkie is made. Why do you do so, and why is it important to do?

Ettlinger: I wanted to go back to the ground. I wanted to see where each ingredient came from the ground because that appeals to me. I like connecting the dots and making it complete from start to finish. ...

For example, the carbon dioxide that is pumped into these sodium carbonates to turn it into sodium bicarbonate comes from a nearby coal mine; that was interesting to me. And I actually talked to the people who dig the whole in the ground and truck the carbon dioxide over to the plant I visited in Green River, Wyo. For me, it's great satisfaction to get to the bottom of things and to see precisely where they come from.

Petrovic: Why?

Ettlinger: Well, I'm interested in answering the question, regardless of whether it's food or not, it's sort of a device. But, for food in particular as I got into it, I was struck over and over again about how odd it was that so many of the raw ingredients came from rock and certainly from petroleum from foreign countries, especially from China. So, I realized that I wanted to get to know my food a lot better, and I balanced that with my knowledge of, say, wine or beer or cheese.

I've been to places where certain cheeses come from, they don't come from somewhere else because that place produces the grass that cows graze on that with that particular breed of cow makes a certain kind of milk that makes a certain kind of cheese. And I like the fact that certain kinds of beer are brewed in certain kinds of places because the yeast in the air that creates the flavor and the style of that particular beer.

So, I know that certain foods are linked to certain places. What's appealing to me about Twinkie, Deconstructed is that processed foods, by their very definition, are not linked to any place. They're anti-linked, they're meant to be producible everywhere and always the same. So, it was intriguing to see where the opposite of the, let's say, Belgian beer, comes from. The answer is that it doesn't come from any particular place. That's actually the nut of the whole book.

Petrovic: Are there any ingredients you found to be particularly disturbing or disgusting?

Ettlinger: Well, I didn't find any to be disgusting, but I think I've been fascinated with polysorbate 60 for a couple of reasons. One reason is my daughter's infamous question. Secondly, it is such an unfood-like sounding thing, not that mono and diglycerides sound appetizing, but there's something about polysorbate 60 that sounds so chemical that I just had to check it out. You know, "Why am I eating this thing?" Also, it largely replaces egg yolks, which are a wonderful food. I like making sauces, I used to live in France, so egg yolks are ... to think of an industrial version of that is sort of funny for me.

Also, one of my sources sent me a sample of polysorbate 60, a large quart container of this light brown goo, and I asked, "Can I taste it?" He said, "You wouldn't want to; you won't be able to taste your dinner for a week." That kind of scared me. No one else sent me a sample and said, "Don't taste it." Obviously, something like flour, you won't be happy if you stick your finger in it and lick it.

Petrovic: This is a question that you yourself ask in your book -- why do we make such an enormous industrial effort to create artificial replacements for relatively unprocessed things like sugar, butter or vanilla?

Ettlinger: I think mankind is driven to always improve on nature or try to control it. In this case the motivation comes from mankind's desire to preserve food, which goes back thousands of years to smoking and salting. And what the food chemists who have created a cake with a long shelf life have done is sort of in the tradition of salting your fish or smoking your pork so it will last.

Petrovic: How long is the Twinkie's shelf life?

Ettlinger: The official shelf life is about 25 days. You can obviously eat them after that; they don't spoil. They do actually dry out.

Petrovic: They just dry out, they don't mold?

Ettlinger: They don't spoil. I made the homemade version of the Twinkie with eggs and cream and butter. It was delicious, I have to say. I got the cream filling down just perfectly. It had the consistency of the Twinkie cream filling, but it tasted a lot different; it was just whipped cream, basically. I put a portion of it aside, wrapped in plastic on a shelf and it was green within a week, but a Twinkie will just dry out.

Petrovic: It won't mold?

Ettlinger: It's got two things in it, one of which was missing from my homemade version. It's got sorbic acid, which prevents the mold. It's got a lot of sugar and a lot of oil and those are two very stable things. ... They both have an infinite shelf life.

Petrovic: Do you think that when a chemical becomes a food is really a matter of perspective?

Ettlinger: Yes, and I don't know that it's a question that I've ever been quite able to answer. ... An apple is nothing but chemicals, a grape is nothing but chemicals, but it's a food because we say it is. It's a food because of its function: We eat it.

Petrovic: But isn't there a difference between an apple and polysorbate 60? Is that really a matter of perspective?

Ettlinger: No, obviously because the apple is natural. But, you see, the Twinkie is not made wholly from polysorbate 60; it's mostly flour and sugar. Which are things we can relate to. They're definitely foods, they're even nutrients. These additives are in very small quantities. They help it along. They make up for whatever shortcomings the batter might have if it were just water and flour, of course there are no eggs in it to speak of, and no cream. It needs something in there to help it flow through the tubes, the molds, the de-mold. There are a lot of things you have to add to it that you wouldn't add in your home version. But, they are just additives.

Petrovic: If we are what we eat, what do we become when we eat Twinkies?

Ettlinger: Well we're part of an international complex -- the Twinkie Industrial Complex. We're eating things made with colors from Chinese petroleum and flavors made from Middle Eastern petroleum and vitamins made from all kinds of things in China and India, and so forth. And it is reassuring to me to eat something made from whole wheat, without all those ingredients. It's reassuring to me to eat locally grown food -- I get a kick out of that.

Petrovic: Were you looking to make a social statement with this book?

Ettlinger: Oh, no. Not at all. I was just curious.

Petrovic: You were just curious?

Ettlinger: I'm a curious guy. ... I'm not a scientist, but it's definitely a book in the popular science tradition. It's knowledge, which you can use any way you want.

I want to make it very clear that my book strikes a generally neutral tone because the task was to explain where this stuff comes from and how it's made. I can't imagine that people who are sophisticated about food would fail to be, maybe not appalled, but certainly it would reinforce their decision to eat whole and local foods. And I certainly speak out in favor of that all the time, but I felt I couldn't speak to that throughout the book without boring the reader with the same message over and over. So, in my mind, I let the reader decide based on the facts that I give them if they want to eat food processed with toxic chemicals made in factories that are a mile long. I don't, but ... this book isn't about me, it's about, "What is this stuff? Where does it come from?" It's the pure unadulterated pleasure of knowing where your food comes from so you can make an informed choice.

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Childish Diets
Posted by: Tom Degan on Jul 12, 2007 2:05 AM   
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What amazes me is the fact that so many grown ups still eat these things. Remember Dan White? He killed San Fransisco mayor George Moscone and Harvey Milk, the first openly gau poltician in American history. His defence? too many Twinkies! And the punch line? HE WAS AQUITED!!!

After reading this piece, it hit me that I haven't had a twinkie since I was a kid. I guess when I grew up, my diet did as well.

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
"The Rant" by Tom Degan

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» RE: Childish Diets Posted by: Auld Wul
processed foods & Americans getting shorter
Posted by: kendall44 on Jul 12, 2007 3:40 AM   
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This story was begging to be tied into a previous one about America's poor diet affecting height. How the average American man is 5'10", while in Denmark, The Netherlands it's over 6".

The processed foods we love are not only making us the fattest country, but also the shortest industrial nation.

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» RE: speak for yourself Posted by: skipp
Twinkie Industrial Complex
Posted by: kepstein7777 on Jul 12, 2007 3:40 AM   
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Beer good. Twinkie bad.

I think a book about this would be tedious. But a PBS documentary might be interesting.

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oops -6 feet not 6"
Posted by: kendall44 on Jul 12, 2007 3:41 AM   
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» RE: oops -6 feet not 6" Posted by: Sushi
food intolerances
Posted by: bookie on Jul 12, 2007 5:13 AM   
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People with food intolerances probably eat a lot less processed food than many other people. You read the ingredient label and it seems there is always something stuck in there that's going to make you be really sick. And its always the same old stuff in every product. So the odd items on a label are no surprise here. I'm lactose intolerant and can't eat much that's not fresh off the vine, bush, or tree. I'm sure that the folks with peanut, gluten, or other various allergies have much the same experiences.

I believe that the chemical ingredients ingested by much of our population have much to do with many of the health problems americans have. We would all be a lot better off to go back to a more natural diet.

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Why Twinkies are yellow
Posted by: sausage on Jul 12, 2007 5:49 AM   
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I kidded a friend's son, while he was eating one of the things, that Twinkies are yellow because they're made from re-cycled phonebook Yellow Pages.

After reading this interview, I don't think I was all that far from wrong.

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» RE: Why Twinkies are yellow Posted by: Benjaminsjw
"AND/OR's"
Posted by: BettynotWilma on Jul 12, 2007 6:17 AM   
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Question ANY food product that includes in the ingredient listings..."AND/OR"..What does that mean ? Like they have NO IDEA what they put into their stuff so they list it AND/OR..you know.."and/or beef fat and/or cottonseed oil and/or pigsnouts" . Twinkies lost their appeal when their yellow sponge cake became more like the sponge and less like the cake. !

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» RE: "AND/OR's" Posted by: sven
» RE: "AND/OR's" Posted by: LeftCoastProgressive
oh man.
Posted by: wheresarah on Jul 12, 2007 6:44 AM   
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I started reading this article, on a bit of a high horse, thinking "I'm doing well, I'm having unsweetened coffee, apples and almonds right now."

Then I get to the part about sliced apples in a bag. That's exactly what I'm eating!

Hey, they're dipped in Vitamin C to keep them from turning brown. Vitamin C is OK right??

I'm at my desk having breakfast. I just want a few apple slices and I will want a few more with my lunch. Yes, it's convenient. I must defend my decision to purchase these apples!

Mmmm.... They're delicious. :)

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» Bagged apples.. Posted by: Phenix
» RE: oh man. Posted by: Twinkie, Decostructed author
obsessed about food
Posted by: zooeyhall on Jul 12, 2007 10:25 AM   
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Alternet seems obsessed about food.

Progressives need to concentrate on the social and economic issues that need it: income disparity, social injustice, health care, etc.

So many Alternet articles really get "fringy" when it comes to food. Everything from articles claiming you can't eat meat and be a progressive, to things like this one.

Worrying so much about food is a barren and trivial expenditure of energy on the part of progressives.

Just be glad that food is here and available. If it isn't then you REALLY have something to worry about.

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» RE: obsessed about food Posted by: daniel347x
» Twinkies are food? Posted by: wisegalah
Another poison -- caffeine
Posted by: fhughes on Jul 12, 2007 1:13 PM   
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I've just had occasion to read up on caffeine poisoning. [Google it yourself]. I learnt that many cases of mental illness are really undiagnosed caffeine poisoning. An example: a woman in hospital as 'mentally ill' was instructed to give up her four coffees a day. In two weeks she went home.
It started me wondering: are schoolkids in that boat? Enough soft drink in their small bodies might trigger an effect that sends the teacher to prescribe a drug to calm him/her down. Simpler than doing a complete diagnosis.
Oh, yes. There's caffeine in Coke.

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» don't forget Posted by: Phenix
Just the facts
Posted by: ld7440 on Jul 12, 2007 2:52 PM   
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Thanks for the article. Our food choices should not be a politicial issue, but they've evolved into a political issue. The money being expended by chemical companies, lobbyists, and other concerns to keep their products on the market is about one thing - money. From genetically engineered crops to food additives to pesticides, profits are at the heart of it.

Happily, we seem to have come full circle, and people are ready to revert to a more natural, healthy diet. I've certainly managed to survive for some time without twinkies, margarine, soda, sugar, and fast food, and enjoy growing my own herbs and vegetables. And I have never felt better.

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E-mail your congressman and tell them to add country of origin to food labels
Posted by: ateo on Jul 12, 2007 5:31 PM   
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So we have Chinese vendors selling buns that are 60% processed cardboard (like, cardboard trash that is processed back into pulp using industrial chemicals) and 40% low quality pork and pork fat. Who knows how poisonous the chemicals they used to breakdown the cardboard were, not to mention the cardboard itself.

We have Chinese companies marketing "breast milk replacement formula" that KILLS INFANTS.

We have the head of the Chinese version of the FDA sentenced to DEATH for corruption and taking bribes.

If that's how they treat their own people, what do you think they'll do to us? They don't give a damn! They'll produce toxic food and kill thousands of Americans to make a buck.

E-mail your congressman and tell him to add country of origin labels to all food to include food additives.

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This interview like the book by Ettlinger on Twinkies is engaging but nearly useless.
He gives no credible references to his work. Without something concrete from his escapade we are left with knowing a lot about nothing--we cannot trace hardly a thing that matters. We cannot dig for the truth beyond his often whitwashed treck through the highly processed food system. Otherwise, as I said, it is engaging. But it could have been a landmark contribution to our knowledge of what's really going on within highly processed foods in America.

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