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The Rise and Fall of Immigration Reform: Language Had Everything to Do with It
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As we talked, the same words repeatedly came to my mind: "There but for the grace of God go I." Truth be told, he and I were more similar than we were different.
Sure, I was a professor and he was a taxi driver. I was a native-born American; he was a struggling immigrant. And I had experienced firsthand the opportunity we call the American Dream, whereas he held only a promissory note. My parents were first-generation college graduates, and my dad had become disabled when I was a child. So I knew what it meant to work hard for everything I had (which wasn't much as professor, at least financially, but a lot more than a rusting cab). No amount of rationalization, however, could shield me from the recognition that the only reason he was driving me home from the airport rather than the other way around was that my great-grandparents, Russian Jews like his, had the courage and good fortune to find their way to Ellis Island at the beginning of the last century. They were able to do for the great-grandchild they never met what I hope, as I picture him now, he will see with his own eyes for his children.
I gave him a twenty-dollar tip on a twenty-dollar fare. He looked at the crisp twenty with surprise, but somehow I think he knew it reflected neither ostentation nor charity. I felt a kinship with him. He could easily have been my friend, even though we had been separated by a century of history. I took his card and suggested we get together. I meant it, and looked forward to meeting his family.
I can't say for sure why his card stayed on my desk for months before it finally seemed that too much time had elapsed to dial his number. Maybe it's the same reason so many people's cards have sat on my desk over the years who I genuinely wanted to know better. There are only so many hours in the day. Or maybe it was our differentness, his life in a Russian enclave with people whose words I would have trouble understanding around the dinner table. Or maybe it was just the opposite -- our similarity, and the feeling I couldn't escape, that the difference in our circumstances wasn't fair. From what I understand about the mind -- and about my own mind -- I suspect it was all of the above, although I was scarcely conscious of any of it.
This is the story of immigration. This is the story of America. This should have been the story of immigration reform in America.
I wish I had taken the time to pick up the phone. And I wish our leaders had taken the time to lead.
We didn't have to go far to find the right words. In 1965, Lyndon Johnson invoked the faces of poor Mexican-American children to move the Congress and a divided nation to enact civil rights legislation with teeth the week after Bloody Sunday in Selma Alabama. We don't often think of Johnson as a great president, because he couldn't extricate either himself or our soldiers from Vietnam, but when it came time to extricate our nation from a centuries-old legacy of prejudice and oppression, he knew how to lead. Listen, as you play the video below that accompanies this piece, to what a real leader sounds like, one who understands how readily the sense of differentness to which we are all prone when a person's skin color is different from ours or whose language is foreign to our ears elides into prejudice, hatred, or contempt.
Throughout the debate on immigration, polls have shown that most Americans are not the raging xenophobes leaders on both sides of the aisle feared and many on the right courted and ignited. Most Americans just want an alternative story to "amnesty for dark-skinned lawbreakers who steal our jobs and want to say the Pledge of Allegiance in Spanish." They want a narrative that has the ring of truth -- but comprehensive truth about comprehensive reform.
To be compelling, and to defuse the morality tale on immigration of the right and righteous, our story needs to begin with the most important truth, for which we needed no reminder this week from London and Glasgow, that the protection of our borders and safety is the first task of government. It then needs to steal the thunder from the right that readily reverberates through the middle by adding to the incantation, "If they're going to live in our country, they need to learn to speak our language," the simple, progressive, and quintessentially American phrase, "because if they don't, their children will never know the American Dream, and we will have done nothing for them but to relegate them to second-class citizenship."
And it should remind those of us who can sometimes be moved to hatred or callousness when it is intermingled with the language of terror or prejudice, but whose better angels will heed our call if only we summon them, that we were all once strangers in a strange land, and that when we look in the face of an immigrant who wants nothing more than to work hard for a better life for his or her children, we are looking in the mirror.
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Posted by: Temporary on Jul 10, 2007 1:04 AM
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» RE: BIG BUSINESS...YOU ARE A RACIST
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» Listen, you "Caps Lock" dingbat -- your race card is worn out. Try reason.
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Posted by: White middleclass male on Jul 10, 2007 1:17 AM
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I thought my great grandparents came to America because the potatoes turned to slime in the ground. Maybe they immigrated here so their great grandson, who they would never meet, could be a pseudo yuppie.
One an unrelated note, does anyone know where I can donate Mexican flags to illegal immigrant protestors? How stupid do you have to be to hold up a Mexican flag at Immigration rally? Don’t they realize that it is legal, mainly white, largely black Americans they should be trying to appeal to? I loved seeing those Mexican flags and hearing the national anthem sung in Spanish by those illegals. They even pulled a US flag down off of a post office and replaced it with a Mexican flag in Cali! I hope to see it played on a loop on the 24 hour news networks, if immigration goes to referendum in ’08.
If you crossed a desert, risked death from the sun, the snakes, or a trigger happy Minutemen to get to a country in order to scrub gringo’s toilets, why would you fly that flag. I see Mexicans and Cubans flying their country’s flag more than any other group.
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» RE: Immigration "reform" failed because of Bush.
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» Ted Kennedy's bill basically good - I think you're both off your rockers on this one
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» No new plan is needed, Karma. Enforcing EXISTING laws is the answer plus national ID cards.
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Posted by: cclescc on Jul 10, 2007 3:54 AM
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» Congratulations! You make legal immigrants look stupid as you suck up public resources.
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» You would not need to live fearfully if you obeyed our laws.
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» Read my posts- this kid was most likely RAISED here most of her/his life
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» RE: What is wrong with the schools in your country anyway?
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» If you’re Mexican, I have a free…
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» LOL…
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» NOT FUNNY. Do not blame the children for the "sins" of the parents.
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» It's not a sin but it's not a virtue either
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» I see your point but your original comments were over the top.
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» And I see your point, but automatic anchor baby citizenship encourages overbreeding. Furthermore...
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» Illegal students- brought here by parents when they were kids- NOT THEIR "FAULT"
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» RE: Illegal students- brought here by parents when they were kids- NOT THEIR "FAULT"
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» RE: Illegal students- brought here by parents when they were kids- NOT THEIR "FAULT"
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» Screw the criminals inside the U.S. illegally
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» RE: xcellent article
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» RE: so he lied.
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» You're a criminal
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» As an "illegal student" you can laugh at the people you collect welfare from. Those fools!!
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» let me say this one more time...
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» p.s. I am very against illegal immigration and amnesty and I want everyone to speak English
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Posted by: janvdb on Jul 10, 2007 6:13 AM
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And now here they are, posting on Alternet.
Sad. Even here, the racists are singing loudly.
We need to develop a system to let in the millions of workers we need LEGALLY, if for no other reason than to defang the racist hate lobby. The fact that these necessary workers are here without the papers any properly functioning government would have figured out a way to provide only fuels and justifies the racists.
Our agricultural sector has been totally dependent on these "illegal" workers for the past 60 years and would collapse within a few months if the flow of pickers, hoers, sorters and packers were cut off.
This is a reality which our government and our corporate farmers have created and foisted on our small farmers, the farm workers and the rest of us.
The racists are using this dysfunctional situation, created by moneyed US interests, as a justification for attacking its victims, poor migrant workers. Because those workers are brown.
It's racism, pure and simple.
We need immigration reform for a lot of reasons, but most of all, to shut these haters up.
Jan VanDenBerg
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» These People Are Neither...
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» Catch and Release is a disaster
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» We need a broader framework for this discussion
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» When the Mexican people start to overthrow their own capitalist exploiters ...
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» Self-Righteous Clap Trap
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» Black American Males...true...
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» RE: Since when is Alternet overrun with racists and xenophobes?
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» The real "haters" want mass immigration.
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» Racist?
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» RE: Since when is Alternet overrun with racists and xenophobes? RIGHT ON!
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Posted by: futurefarm on Jul 10, 2007 6:49 AM
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The real "American Dream", in the view of the Declaration of Independence, was meant to be a collective of independent people with extremely limited central authority; instead we are moving toward a country where we are nannied around by a centralized, selfish and cruel global crime syndicate.
Without the primacy of liberty and justice for all at the core of our regulations, we lose the spark of life and we end up with large problems that benefit the people in power. We become just another country. That is too high a price to pay.
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Posted by: sausage on Jul 10, 2007 7:31 AM
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Just read many of the posts here at Alternet when the question of "illegal immigration" arises. Many who identify themselves as "liberal" or "progressive," on a host of issues as well as the ever present right-wing trolls, go into paroxysms denouncing the filthy illegals. "They don't want to learn English," "They're taking our jobs," "They're theives," etc., etc., rant, rant, rave, rave. What are you afraid of?
So have any of you, who froth at the mouth at the mere mention of "undocumented," "illegal," "alien," "immigrants," ever stopped to think that you're being played like a violin? That you're a tool. That you're an agent of the status quo?
Do any of you really think a Congressional back-bencher like Republican Tom Tancredo really wants to seriously do anything, other than keep the pot boiling? He's so tight with business interests he's his own business lobby. Ever wonder why Bay Buchanan, Pat's little sister, is heading Tom's Team America PAC?
Republicans had a majority in the federal congress from 1994 until the '06 election. In all that time did congressional Republicans outlaw abortion? End school bussing or affirmitve action? Outlaw "gay" marriage? Of course not. Mexicans have been crossing the border "illegally" since 1904. Ever cross your mind why has it become such a big issue in 2007 on the eve of the '08 general election? And after the '08 election will it remain an "issue?"
Jimmy Carter said America deserved a government as good as its people. And since it appears that the majority of the American people are dupes, chumps, tools, fools, true belivers, useful idiots and willfully ignorant, he certainly was right.
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» Illegal Immigration: the new Slavery
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» So what are you...
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» Common Interest
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» RE: Immigration: the reality
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» So provide some evidence...
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» ha, I've become a moderate here?
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» ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION *IS* THE STATUS QUO
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» TRUE but we haven't taken care of every US citizens yet...
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» Yes, but on the other hand...
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» Your's is the only sensible solution...
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Those of us who are impacted by illigal immigration every day can't afford the luxury of being a touchy feely liberal who can write a maudlin column now and then to make himself feel better.
My advice to the professor is to get out into the real world.
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» Unelected Judges run our schools.
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» This is a bi-partisan issue
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» RE: I Hate The Term Illegal Immigrant
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» Bigger Problem
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» RE: A bigger issue -- You're 100% right -- overbreeding is the "bigger issue" -- However...
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Posted by: gellero on Jul 10, 2007 5:21 PM
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You have no idea what it's like when black men in my family go for jobs. They are always asked if they are bilingual. A student of mine quit a construction job when he found out that the foreman paid his Hispanic friend $5 more an hour than he paid my student. In the weeks following Hurricane Katrina, NPR reported that illegal aliens were paid in cash up to $1500/day to haul garbage. My own cousin, a native of New Orleans, was prevented from even entering the city. These illegal aliens broke the law and entered the country, settling
in Houston, TX. They drove to New Orleans looking for work. When asked when they would leave, they replied through an interpreter, Never!í
My cousin and thousands of other black men were refused entry in Katrinaís early days because they had ëno place to live.í My cousin offered to sleep in his truck, just like the illegal aliens did, but he was turned down. Go to New Orleans, as I did recently. Hit me back and tell me when you can count the number of black men working by using two hands. I saw exactly one and I photographed city workers for hours. I am 60 years old and never saw a black man begging for food on the streets of New Orleans. This time I did.
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» RE: Illegal Immigration Supresses African Americans
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Posted by: gellero on Jul 10, 2007 5:28 PM
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My grandparents got NOTHING from the taxpayers, nor did they expect anything. They were proud that they spoke ENGLISH. 20 MILLION illegal Mexicans is an economic disaster. The working class and the left had better wake up.
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For all I know, he may now think that he had the greatest possible fortune and care little about wealth. Maybe he's not so frustrated with the current situation that he would feel compelled to decry the ills of society. He might actually be celebrating his great fortune right now as you complain.
And - no small consideration - he has lived in at least two very different worlds. Having lived in Taiwan and France, I can tell you that this makes the experience more vibrant through contrast. This man arrived in a new country with a fresh clean slate, and the world was his to discover anew with whatever childlike innocence and amazement his character would allow.
Maybe it was financially difficult at first, but if you hadn't tossed out that card you could have told us how it worked out for him.
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Posted by: Pat Kittle on Jul 10, 2007 9:14 PM
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That is supposed to end the debate, of course -- who but a pathological sadist could then object to endless growth?
Ever notice how PC it is to treat "growth" as horrible (I DO!), UNLESS it's mass unending immigration, in which case "growth" magically transforms into an icon of mystical beauty?
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» I thought we had an amicable 'no harass' peace treaty...my war on this thread is NOT concerned with
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» RE: illegal immigration, not just "immigration"
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» Condemn US gluttony while you demand to join it?? Sorry, your guilt trip doesn't hold logic.
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Posted by: Betsyny on Jul 11, 2007 1:35 PM
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DON'T buy into this. This IS just the racist minority, and these comments are NOT from regular Alternet readers. This is an organized campaign, and you see the effect. This thread is now verging on ridiculous because these bigoted, unAmerican idiots who are consumed by fear of the "other" have now taken it over.
You will see lots of replies here from people who claim not to be bigots, saying that they are normally progressive, but it's all a lie. Again, this is an organized campaign. I had started to reply to those comments too, but then I realized that I had seen research on this campaign.
What I would suggest to the normal, sane, progressives who usually read Alternet is not to engage these people. Their hatred is sickening, but when we waste time answering their comments we are doing EXACTLY what they want us to do - be distracted from cogent discussion of immigration reform. They subvert free discussion by overpowering the comments section. That is the goal, lets not play into it.
IGNORE THE RACIST COMMENTS. DON'T LET THE CAMPAIGN SUCCEED!!!!
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» Ecological reality is too threatening, isn't it? Better just call it names and try to ignore it. :-)
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» CAREFUL NOW: THE WHITE SUPREMACISTS ON THIS THREAD WILL HAVE ALTERNET DELETE YOU COMMENT
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That quoted part tends to be applied to many favoring illegal immigration reform on these threads. I can't believe this moderate got through.
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Posted by: White middleclass male on Jul 10, 2007 1:17 AM
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I thought my great grandparents came to America because the potatoes turned to slime in the ground. Maybe they immigrated here so their great grandson, who they would never meet, could be a pseudo yuppie.
One an unrelated note, does anyone know where I can donate Mexican flags to illegal immigrant protestors? How stupid do you have to be to hold up a Mexican flag at Immigration rally? Don’t they realize that it is legal, mainly white, largely black Americans they should be trying to appeal to? I loved seeing those Mexican flags and hearing the national anthem sung in Spanish by those illegals. They even pulled a US flag down off of a post office and replaced it with a Mexican flag in Cali! I hope to see it played on a loop on the 24 hour news networks, if immigration goes to referendum in ’08.
If you crossed a desert, risked death from the sun, the snakes, or a trigger happy Minutemen to get to a country in order to scrub gringo’s toilets, why would you fly that flag. I see Mexicans and Cubans flying their country’s flag more than any other group.
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» RE: Immigration "reform" failed because of Bush.
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» Ted Kennedy's bill basically good - I think you're both off your rockers on this one
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» No new plan is needed, Karma. Enforcing EXISTING laws is the answer plus national ID cards.
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Posted by: cclescc on Jul 10, 2007 3:54 AM
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» Congratulations! You make legal immigrants look stupid as you suck up public resources.
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» You would not need to live fearfully if you obeyed our laws.
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» Read my posts- this kid was most likely RAISED here most of her/his life
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» RE: What is wrong with the schools in your country anyway?
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» If you’re Mexican, I have a free…
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» LOL…
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» NOT FUNNY. Do not blame the children for the "sins" of the parents.
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» It's not a sin but it's not a virtue either
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» I see your point but your original comments were over the top.
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» And I see your point, but automatic anchor baby citizenship encourages overbreeding. Furthermore...
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» Illegal students- brought here by parents when they were kids- NOT THEIR "FAULT"
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» RE: Illegal students- brought here by parents when they were kids- NOT THEIR "FAULT"
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» RE: Illegal students- brought here by parents when they were kids- NOT THEIR "FAULT"
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» Screw the criminals inside the U.S. illegally
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» RE: xcellent article
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» RE: so he lied.
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» You're a criminal
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» As an "illegal student" you can laugh at the people you collect welfare from. Those fools!!
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» let me say this one more time...
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» p.s. I am very against illegal immigration and amnesty and I want everyone to speak English
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Posted by: janvdb on Jul 10, 2007 6:13 AM
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And now here they are, posting on Alternet.
Sad. Even here, the racists are singing loudly.
We need to develop a system to let in the millions of workers we need LEGALLY, if for no other reason than to defang the racist hate lobby. The fact that these necessary workers are here without the papers any properly functioning government would have figured out a way to provide only fuels and justifies the racists.
Our agricultural sector has been totally dependent on these "illegal" workers for the past 60 years and would collapse within a few months if the flow of pickers, hoers, sorters and packers were cut off.
This is a reality which our government and our corporate farmers have created and foisted on our small farmers, the farm workers and the rest of us.
The racists are using this dysfunctional situation, created by moneyed US interests, as a justification for attacking its victims, poor migrant workers. Because those workers are brown.
It's racism, pure and simple.
We need immigration reform for a lot of reasons, but most of all, to shut these haters up.
Jan VanDenBerg
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» These People Are Neither...
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» Catch and Release is a disaster
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» We need a broader framework for this discussion
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» RE: We need a broader framework for this discussion
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» When the Mexican people start to overthrow their own capitalist exploiters ...
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» RE: These People Are Neither...
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» Self-Righteous Clap Trap
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» Black American Males...true...
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» RE: Since when is Alternet overrun with racists and xenophobes?
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» The real "haters" want mass immigration.
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» Racist?
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» RE: Since when is Alternet overrun with racists and xenophobes? RIGHT ON!
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Posted by: futurefarm on Jul 10, 2007 6:49 AM
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The real "American Dream", in the view of the Declaration of Independence, was meant to be a collective of independent people with extremely limited central authority; instead we are moving toward a country where we are nannied around by a centralized, selfish and cruel global crime syndicate.
Without the primacy of liberty and justice for all at the core of our regulations, we lose the spark of life and we end up with large problems that benefit the people in power. We become just another country. That is too high a price to pay.
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Posted by: sausage on Jul 10, 2007 7:31 AM
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Just read many of the posts here at Alternet when the question of "illegal immigration" arises. Many who identify themselves as "liberal" or "progressive," on a host of issues as well as the ever present right-wing trolls, go into paroxysms denouncing the filthy illegals. "They don't want to learn English," "They're taking our jobs," "They're theives," etc., etc., rant, rant, rave, rave. What are you afraid of?
So have any of you, who froth at the mouth at the mere mention of "undocumented," "illegal," "alien," "immigrants," ever stopped to think that you're being played like a violin? That you're a tool. That you're an agent of the status quo?
Do any of you really think a Congressional back-bencher like Republican Tom Tancredo really wants to seriously do anything, other than keep the pot boiling? He's so tight with business interests he's his own business lobby. Ever wonder why Bay Buchanan, Pat's little sister, is heading Tom's Team America PAC?
Republicans had a majority in the federal congress from 1994 until the '06 election. In all that time did congressional Republicans outlaw abortion? End school bussing or affirmitve action? Outlaw "gay" marriage? Of course not. Mexicans have been crossing the border "illegally" since 1904. Ever cross your mind why has it become such a big issue in 2007 on the eve of the '08 general election? And after the '08 election will it remain an "issue?"
Jimmy Carter said America deserved a government as good as its people. And since it appears that the majority of the American people are dupes, chumps, tools, fools, true belivers, useful idiots and willfully ignorant, he certainly was right.
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» RE: Immigration: the new "abortion"
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» Illegal Immigration: the new Slavery
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» So what are you...
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» Common Interest
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» RE: Immigration: the reality
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» So provide some evidence...
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» RE: So provide some evidence...
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» ha, I've become a moderate here?
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» RE: ha, I've become a moderate here?
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» ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION *IS* THE STATUS QUO
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» TRUE but we haven't taken care of every US citizens yet...
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» Yes, but on the other hand...
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» Your's is the only sensible solution...
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Posted by: owleyes on Jul 10, 2007 8:04 AM
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» RE: The point of this article
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» RE: The point of this article
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Posted by: NotaBene on Jul 10, 2007 11:37 AM
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Those of us who are impacted by illigal immigration every day can't afford the luxury of being a touchy feely liberal who can write a maudlin column now and then to make himself feel better.
My advice to the professor is to get out into the real world.
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» Unelected Judges run our schools.
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» This is a bi-partisan issue
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» RE: I Hate The Term Illegal Immigrant
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» RE: I Hate The Term Illegal Immigrant
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» RE: I Hate The Term Illegal Immigrant
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» Bigger Problem
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» RE: A bigger issue -- You're 100% right -- overbreeding is the "bigger issue" -- However...
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Posted by: gellero on Jul 10, 2007 5:21 PM
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You have no idea what it's like when black men in my family go for jobs. They are always asked if they are bilingual. A student of mine quit a construction job when he found out that the foreman paid his Hispanic friend $5 more an hour than he paid my student. In the weeks following Hurricane Katrina, NPR reported that illegal aliens were paid in cash up to $1500/day to haul garbage. My own cousin, a native of New Orleans, was prevented from even entering the city. These illegal aliens broke the law and entered the country, settling
in Houston, TX. They drove to New Orleans looking for work. When asked when they would leave, they replied through an interpreter, Never!í
My cousin and thousands of other black men were refused entry in Katrinaís early days because they had ëno place to live.í My cousin offered to sleep in his truck, just like the illegal aliens did, but he was turned down. Go to New Orleans, as I did recently. Hit me back and tell me when you can count the number of black men working by using two hands. I saw exactly one and I photographed city workers for hours. I am 60 years old and never saw a black man begging for food on the streets of New Orleans. This time I did.
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» A national disgrace
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» RE: Illegal Immigration Supresses African Americans
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Posted by: gellero on Jul 10, 2007 5:28 PM
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My grandparents got NOTHING from the taxpayers, nor did they expect anything. They were proud that they spoke ENGLISH. 20 MILLION illegal Mexicans is an economic disaster. The working class and the left had better wake up.
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For all I know, he may now think that he had the greatest possible fortune and care little about wealth. Maybe he's not so frustrated with the current situation that he would feel compelled to decry the ills of society. He might actually be celebrating his great fortune right now as you complain.
And - no small consideration - he has lived in at least two very different worlds. Having lived in Taiwan and France, I can tell you that this makes the experience more vibrant through contrast. This man arrived in a new country with a fresh clean slate, and the world was his to discover anew with whatever childlike innocence and amazement his character would allow.
Maybe it was financially difficult at first, but if you hadn't tossed out that card you could have told us how it worked out for him.
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Posted by: Pat Kittle on Jul 10, 2007 9:14 PM
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That is supposed to end the debate, of course -- who but a pathological sadist could then object to endless growth?
Ever notice how PC it is to treat "growth" as horrible (I DO!), UNLESS it's mass unending immigration, in which case "growth" magically transforms into an icon of mystical beauty?
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» RE: "Sensible immigration reform" is code for "unlimited growth" -- (as if we didn't know).
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» I thought we had an amicable 'no harass' peace treaty...my war on this thread is NOT concerned with
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» RE: illegal immigration, not just "immigration"
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» Condemn US gluttony while you demand to join it?? Sorry, your guilt trip doesn't hold logic.
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» RE: illegal immigration, not just "immigration"
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Posted by: Betsyny on Jul 11, 2007 1:35 PM
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DON'T buy into this. This IS just the racist minority, and these comments are NOT from regular Alternet readers. This is an organized campaign, and you see the effect. This thread is now verging on ridiculous because these bigoted, unAmerican idiots who are consumed by fear of the "other" have now taken it over.
You will see lots of replies here from people who claim not to be bigots, saying that they are normally progressive, but it's all a lie. Again, this is an organized campaign. I had started to reply to those comments too, but then I realized that I had seen research on this campaign.
What I would suggest to the normal, sane, progressives who usually read Alternet is not to engage these people. Their hatred is sickening, but when we waste time answering their comments we are doing EXACTLY what they want us to do - be distracted from cogent discussion of immigration reform. They subvert free discussion by overpowering the comments section. That is the goal, lets not play into it.
IGNORE THE RACIST COMMENTS. DON'T LET THE CAMPAIGN SUCCEED!!!!
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» Ecological reality is too threatening, isn't it? Better just call it names and try to ignore it. :-)
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» Trolling
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» CAREFUL NOW: THE WHITE SUPREMACISTS ON THIS THREAD WILL HAVE ALTERNET DELETE YOU COMMENT
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» I'm called obscenities but I never ask the AlterNet to delete anyone & Josh Holland deletes me...
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» A liar and a truth-teller both say they're not lying, so it's pointless to say "I'm not lying."
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» Josh, you sure like to throw insinuations around, don't you?
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» You're absolutely on target......
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» No disagreement here.
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» Go check out the current jill filipovic Alternet article on Isaiah Washington.......
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That quoted part tends to be applied to many favoring illegal immigration reform on these threads. I can't believe this moderate got through.
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» OK, Josh, tell us -- just what kind of opposition to mass immigration is OK with you, anyway?
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